The CDP // Ep35: Unveiling Resolutions and Fresh Beginnings

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Speaker: And we're hot.

Speaker: I'll let you take it away.

Speaker: Yeah, boy.

Speaker: Thank you, mate.

Speaker: I appreciate that.

Speaker: I was just waiting.

Speaker: We used to have a little intro music that I wasn't sure if it was going to get played, but it is bloody good to be chatting with you, my friend, on the podcast again.

Speaker: I'm not even going to try to imagine how long it's been, but it has been nice.

Speaker: And we've had a good couple of chats over the last few weeks and months as well.

Speaker: So this is a good time, fresh new year, good feels.

Speaker: We've got some new editing software that's going to help probably accelerate things along.

Speaker: So I'm jazzed up, but yeah, bloody good to be chatting to you.

Speaker: How are you, brother?

Speaker: I'm good, man.

Speaker: I'm good.

Speaker: I'm good.

Speaker: It's been a year since the last episode.

Speaker: And perhaps this is our yearly return.

Speaker: The Clavidabby's podcast is a yearly episode podcast.

Speaker: You have to wait a year.

Speaker: It's almost the same frequency as the GTA games at this point.

Speaker: Yeah, well, that's right.

Speaker: The sixth one's coming out, mate.

Speaker: Do you see the trailer for that?

Speaker: The new one's coming out.

Speaker: I did, I did, I did.

Speaker: It's all over the internet, isn't it?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You can't really miss it.

Speaker: Well, I feel like we're a little bit ahead of our time because even though podcasts have been big for years, you know, Rogan and Peterson, that I feel like, you know, like I feel like the COVID days were real, the real platform kick off.

Speaker: Now everyone's got one, you know, they are really popular, but it's still, you know, it still takes a lot of effort and it still takes like, um,

Speaker: I guess a lot of people listen to podcasts, but not a lot of people.

Speaker: Remember how everyone says, oh, everyone's doing a podcast now.

Speaker: Well, not really.

Speaker: It's just a lot of people are listening to them or a lot of semi-athletes that are not competing anymore or Hollywood people that are not really sure.

Speaker: Like, I guess it's like a natural segue now where everyone's like, oh, this career doesn't work out, so I'll start a podcast.

Speaker: Like, that's where I feel like the space is at right now.

Speaker: So it is a bit flooded, but, like, you can still do your damn thing.

Speaker: Like, I think it's pretty cool.

Speaker: Oh, I think it's, it really depends on how you look at it.

Speaker: I think, yeah, for sure.

Speaker: I think the podcast game is probably a bit flooded because you've got all the, you've got everyone and anyone just trying to start a podcast and hoping they could build a platform.

Speaker: I think what's interesting is I don't think podcast is probably a place you could build a platform unless you like, I mean, even the podcast that came out of nowhere and took off had like a huge marketing budget and that kind of stuff.

Speaker: So I think it's,

Speaker: If you're doing a really niche podcast and just documenting your thoughts and having a chat like we do, well, I mean, as the old saying goes, if you open a shop, they might come.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But they don't have to.

Speaker: At least you opened a shop, right?

Speaker: They definitely... That's right.

Speaker: And there's a lot of shops out there.

Speaker: I've definitely seen the old TV shows.

Speaker: You obviously have...

Speaker: Prince Harry and Megan, William or something like that.

Speaker: Like they're getting bankrolled obviously now.

Speaker: Um, and then you have like, do you know, cat Williams, the, um, the comedian, he, he's a guy that doesn't do a lot of media princes anymore now, but he's just about to release a special go into or something.

Speaker: So he just did a podcast with a former athlete named Shannon Sharpe and 50 million views in a couple of days.

Speaker: So, but, but it's so highly like produced.

Speaker: It almost looks like a good old fashioned, um,

Speaker: talk TV show a little bit, but it's obviously a lot better because they can just talk about everything and they don't have to cut to commercials and stuff like that.

Speaker: So like, even though the podcasts are starting to get more and more professional and they're starting to have, you know, high tech shooters and stuff because the platform is you can just go for hours.

Speaker: I mean, even on Spotify now you're still hearing ads, but you do get like uninterrupted chat.

Speaker: So it is pretty good.

Speaker: Like I feel like it's, I feel like it's just, you know, it's the new, the new way, but it's the best way as well, which is really cool.

Speaker: Yeah, for sure.

Speaker: I'm not going to lie.

Speaker: I don't actually listen to many podcasts.

Speaker: I mean, I barely listen to Joe Rogan, to be honest.

Speaker: It's the only podcast that I really should.

Speaker: I'd watch on YouTube.

Speaker: I'd watch, well, who is it?

Speaker: There's a few of them I'd watch or listen to.

Speaker: Well, I suppose Joe Rogan is one of them.

Speaker: uh the other andrew huberman he's another one yeah he's awesome he's really good at the moment yeah i think i think those kind of big commitments like if you go onto the reels page you can catch good glimpses or um like even 10 minute clips i used to be a guy that would listen to like i probably listed close to a thousand of his podcasts a few years ago and i it's just so hard to keep up nowadays because there's three or four of them that they're all hours long and yeah you've got other ones that are really good and

Speaker: Jordan Peterson's got good ones.

Speaker: Like if I find a guest I know that's good or, you know, something big that happens like a few months ago, the Sound of Freedom movie came out about child trafficking.

Speaker: So for a few months, I was just watching podcasts on that or like obviously the stuff with Andrew Tate, you know, and if there's any, like I think I listened to a little bit of the,

Speaker: like the war podcasts on obviously what's going on in the Middle East at the moment.

Speaker: But it's still, it's so hard to know what side of the coin to who, you know, what information is correct.

Speaker: So that stuff I find hard to listen to because I just don't know if I'm hearing the right stuff or the wrong stuff, you know what I mean?

Speaker: But I feel like where the, you know, used to go to the TV, used to go to the news to find, now I just got a podcast and it's like the latest thing.

Speaker: And my sport, I still watch, like, podcasts on my sport.

Speaker: So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: But I don't, yeah.

Speaker: I used to watch them a lot more than I do now.

Speaker: It's kind of funny because I'm, like, an all-or-nothing listener.

Speaker: I don't like to, I like to listen to the whole thing.

Speaker: So if I start one, yeah, they could definitely take your time up.

Speaker: The gym is good.

Speaker: Like, if you transport, public transport's pretty good.

Speaker: And I'm lucky with one of my jobs, I get to sort of have an earphone in half the day.

Speaker: So, yeah, I still bang them a little bit.

Speaker: Yeah, for sure.

Speaker: I just go between, I mean, I think to myself, if I'm going to listen to something, like I commit to something, why wouldn't I just listen to an audio book?

Speaker: It's what I never understood.

Speaker: I was like, well, I could just listen to an audio book, right?

Speaker: Because, you know, for me, I get more value out of audio.

Speaker: I've said this before.

Speaker: For me, the biggest thing is accessibility.

Speaker: I perceive

Speaker: which is which may be twisted in a way but i always perceive easier it is to get certain information less reliable and less opinionated that information is yeah so you know i think about less if you look at you know if you categorize your information and you categorize where you are getting this consuming this content from right you'll obviously look at ease of access right of course right at the top would be tiktok right like

Speaker: You just open the app, you just keep scrolling mindlessly and you get the information.

Speaker: Someone will say, oh yeah, I've seen this on TikTok.

Speaker: Personally, I really struggle to believe the value of that information or not necessarily the truthfulness of that information, but just in general how valuable that information is or how true that information or relevance of it versus then...

Speaker: then you go down then you go tv and everyone knows what tv is right and followed by followed by just you know youtube and so so go so go on so how easy it is to find and consume this information and how much commitment it is i just think it's it's probably hence you know at the right at the top might be the complete complexity of the getting that information would be reading a peer-reviewed article on uh you know

Speaker: medical science journal, right?

Speaker: You know it's a hard read, it's hard to find, it's hard to actually sit down and get interested in it.

Speaker: Even a paywall is sometimes a decent indicator of quality, not always, particularly news and stuff, but if you've got to pay for an audiobook or even if you've got to pay for a subscription,

Speaker: Like it's not necessarily a free place, even though I love YouTube, like the way I consume and I'm the same as well.

Speaker: Like I've been doing a lot of audio reading of the Bible.

Speaker: And so I put that in that top tier category.

Speaker: I like my entertainment as well, but most of like a lot of my podcasts, I'll listen to conversations and good conversations with authors or with

Speaker: public figures and that sort of thing.

Speaker: I don't use a lot of the entertainment side of social media.

Speaker: Obviously, I still play games and I still will scroll through the feed and stuff like that.

Speaker: But I find the best way to use it is to be on one video for a period of time or obviously go to an audio book.

Speaker: I love audio books too, but sometimes I like the back and forth dialogue.

Speaker: I like the audio books where the author reads it and he talks, he explains it.

Speaker: And I loved sometimes just reading as well, but sometimes I find I get the most out of the back and forth.

Speaker: And that's what I love about conversation, I guess.

Speaker: Particularly, you know, that is the benefit of like the way Rogan interviews is really good.

Speaker: um it's obviously just he has such a wide array of guests that a lot of the time you're just getting stuff that you don't find overly beneficial but you know if like if you're if you're wanting to learn more about improving your health and then you hear him and huberman talk for three hours like you just feel like how you take so much away from that like so that's pretty cool yeah i agree i think yeah for sure i think there's probably yeah again that's a that's a big commitment right so i think uh

Speaker: Yeah, I think that's a big commitment.

Speaker: So you can see why that would be something you'd go, okay, well, you can look at that, right?

Speaker: And go, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker: Do you ever listen and then

Speaker: you insert yourself in the conversation like i guess that's like a good movie or a good book where you put yourself in there because you're really immersed i find i do that with a good podcast i like sometimes i'll even pause the podcast and then pretend that i'm the one answering the questions like that's when i know i'm freaking loving something if that makes sense i i mean i don't think i've ever done that right i mean

Speaker: But, I mean, I get worked up about some things.

Speaker: I see what you mean.

Speaker: Like, I've done... I get worked up about things.

Speaker: I'm like, hmm, interesting.

Speaker: Now, fuck you.

Speaker: Like, you know, this is wrong or something.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, that's why, you know, if I hear a good actor talk about a good movie, like...

Speaker: It's about really getting the audience to leave, not leave reality, but leave cognitive thought for a little bit and go on that journey.

Speaker: That's what I think is really cool.

Speaker: Even just like really good conversations with a person, you feel like you're kind of there, but you're with them going on this conversation.

Speaker: So, yeah, it's a bastardized, it seems to be demonized and there is a lot of rubbish out there.

Speaker: Obviously there's a lot of pop culture and stuff that does nothing for no one, but I feel like it's that it's, you know,

Speaker: people are wanting, you know, I guess with the whole fake news thing, you know, people are actually wanting like good stuff nowadays.

Speaker: So I do, I do feel like it's actually in a decent space at the moment.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Do you know, you brought up something really interesting that I've recently built a mind up, my mind up about is I really don't like actress.

Speaker: No, it's, it's the worst profession in the world.

Speaker: Really?

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: It's not so much their profession.

Speaker: I think,

Speaker: Where do I want to go?

Speaker: How mean do I want to be, right?

Speaker: Here's my simplest way to... Let me back up my statement as to why I say that.

Speaker: I find actors manage to insert themselves into various situations and try to assert their opinion on matters that have no...

Speaker: categorization within their field or nor they carry any authority to have those opinions.

Speaker: There's an arrogance about what they have.

Speaker: Yeah, they have that influence on people.

Speaker: There are some, I mean, don't get me wrong, it doesn't mean I've stopped watching movies.

Speaker: Well, actually, this year so far I haven't seen a movie.

Speaker: Me neither, yeah.

Speaker: I really have stopped watching movies.

Speaker: I still love movies, but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker: I like movies, but don't get me wrong.

Speaker: Well, maybe not even all actors.

Speaker: some actors, I should say, or majority of the actors, I find they have opinions and they have to stand for something and all that jazz.

Speaker: It's really, and you know, they obviously carry a platform with them, right?

Speaker: Because that star illusion, right?

Speaker: When people, we perceive someone to be of a higher value because we're like, oh, well, they've got money and they're famous and then we just assume that they're smarter than us.

Speaker: So we, of course, give them the ability to influence us

Speaker: And then they go around and, you know, make statements.

Speaker: And I think one of the good examples is like how all the actors always go against Trump.

Speaker: Well, I don't know if they are as much, but they used to, if you remember when the elections were coming around the last time, I was like, I just voted, vote for Biden.

Speaker: Like, you know, you know who you're going to vote.

Speaker: Like, they were almost telling you to go vote for Biden, right?

Speaker: Like, we don't want that Donald Trump situation again.

Speaker: just as an example, right?

Speaker: So you go, okay, you know, so you just wonder, you go, okay, well, should they have that kind of platform to make that kind of, I mean, really, they're just overgrown, you know, they're just actors.

Speaker: That's what they study is.

Speaker: Most of them have next to no education apart from their arts degree, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: So, and they don't, I don't think many of them, many of them even learned some, you know, acting is an interesting industry because a lot of them

Speaker: There are some really smart people, but they also, because you're so immersed in that industry, you kind of become disconnected from the rest of the world.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I'm trying to think what the word is called.

Speaker: It actually happens in academia as well.

Speaker: I've heard Jordan Peterson talk about it where he would, you know, and at the moment they both sit on social issues.

Speaker: They both sort of sit on the same, similar place.

Speaker: It's like a bubble.

Speaker: Bubble's the right word for it, but it's a better word.

Speaker: But it's like a bubble.

Speaker: Cognitive dissonance?

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, that's the manifestation of the situation they're in, yeah, is because you're always surrounded by the same information and people, you know, that generally don't have opposing beliefs and you're all going for the same thing, trying to get the role, you're trying to please people, like, it just creates that, right?

Speaker: Echo Chambers.

Speaker: Echo Chambers.

Speaker: Oh, happy days.

Speaker: Well done.

Speaker: That was very good.

Speaker: Echo Chambers.

Speaker: That's what it is.

Speaker: And we always fall into, you know, it's so easy to fall into.

Speaker: You know, you can go to a really good place, like, you know, and fall into Echo Chambers.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: This sort of, like, conversation, you know, podcasting is, like, even just a skill, like, just to do it, like, is such good.

Speaker: It does force you to, because you're kind of thinking about,

Speaker: how people are going to interact with what you say.

Speaker: And if you're having a conversation and you're providing both or at least thinking about both perspective, it does force you outside of that echo chamber.

Speaker: And so, yeah, it's definitely an industry that you fall into.

Speaker: You fall into that echo chamber.

Speaker: And then obviously, the last 10 years since we've been growing up, the push has been...

Speaker: But what's interesting is about what I love about it.

Speaker: Well, there's something that I love about echo chambers and something slash I hate as well.

Speaker: One of the things I love about echo chambers, they can actually be really, really positive because once you get into something, right, you go, okay, well, you just keep going deeper into it.

Speaker: It's like, it can be upward spiral as well, right?

Speaker: Let's say using, which is both positive and negative because

Speaker: You know, you go, let's say you get into the fitness world, right?

Speaker: You start lifting weights.

Speaker: You've been lifting weights for a year and you go to the gym and you see everyone is jacked.

Speaker: All your Instagram people that you're following are influencers.

Speaker: They've got millions of followers and they're all jacked.

Speaker: And then there's you.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And you go, oh, like I am so shit.

Speaker: Like I've been lifting weights for like five years and I'm still like, look like this.

Speaker: And look at these people that built like a multimillion dollar fitness by just lifting weights.

Speaker: Why isn't that happening for me?

Speaker: And you go, oh, I'm not that fit or I'm not that healthy or I'm not that good of a shape.

Speaker: Really what's happening is that whole thing with the reticulous activation system, all you're seeing is people who are more sure than you are.

Speaker: But when you look at the key data and you look at the actual stats, you go, okay, well, 2% of people in the world, I think it's like 6% of people in the world identify as saying regularly exercising, right?

Speaker: You go, well, hold on a minute.

Speaker: You look at that data and you go, well,

Speaker: again, what I believe is incorrect, but because those echo chambers just echoes all the time, even though those facts are in front of you, you go, well, no, like, I'm in this really shitty physique.

Speaker: I've got a really shitty physique, despite the fact that you may be 10 to 20 times better than anyone else, like, walking around most of the time.

Speaker: So,

Speaker: That's the negative side of the echo chambers, I find.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I was thinking about there's a guy, his name is Matt Gosling, and he owns a big electrical company that operate out of Coffs Harbour, but they operate across Australia.

Speaker: And he also does business coaching now.

Speaker: And one of my good friends here in Coffs is getting some business coaching off him and also just like life coaching as well.

Speaker: And so they play golf together and he sort of is around him a lot now and sees the way he's disciplined.

Speaker: on the golf course or in the office or when he talks to his wife on the phone or when he's hanging out with his kids.

Speaker: He's got six kids as well.

Speaker: And just like being around a disciplined guy like that who has a heart for everything he does created like such an upward spiral where my mate Sam, you know, at first felt really like insecure and like, man, like I'm not doing that.

Speaker: But also like, wow, it's so cool that I've got this, you know, I've got this person now that I can kind of set as the North Star a little bit.

Speaker: And then, yeah, you can start to model your life like that.

Speaker: And then if you've ever been, which I know you have, but if you've ever been in a workplace or a group of friends that, you know, are growing or doing things really well or wanting to do things really well, you know, doesn't even have to be with high achievers, but

Speaker: people that want to be high achievers or with high achievers as well.

Speaker: It's like, yeah, you just rub off, just the rub off effect of that.

Speaker: Like it's like a beacon of light in the night, you know, ships are on the ocean sailing at night and then there's lighthouses along near the coastline just because they know where they are.

Speaker: Like just seeing people like that is, that's kind of like, yeah, I feel like that's a beautiful part of life really.

Speaker: I think it's just seeing if it's possible at all.

Speaker: Like, you know, half of it is just believing that it's possible.

Speaker: I think that's 100% true.

Speaker: Like, I've been being around, Paul, this is what they say, right?

Speaker: Being the sum of five people you hang out with, right?

Speaker: I think it's crazy stuff.

Speaker: Like, I always talk about this to the boys, right?

Speaker: Like, you go, you know, our income,

Speaker: has like between like we you know the boys right we always look at like where our incomes is right like our income has actually been relative always like one person will get a raise and the other person everyone else would like slowly is like oh like we just upped our income like it's it's it's actual physical manifestation of manifestation of that you're the sum of you know uh sum of uh five people you hang around or four people you hang around with like

Speaker: What's really fascinating is I was talking to someone about this.

Speaker: I was saying, well, actually, I was talking about the boys and I was saying, you know, if let's say a person who doesn't have a job or makes 30K a year, right?

Speaker: 30k a year you really don't want to be part of the circle because our income is going to drop because of the average he's trying to unless he's pursuing something where he's currently not being played for like a like an experience type thing but yeah more than likely he just is still living at home that most definitely exactly

Speaker: So, you know, it is what it is.

Speaker: So you just think to yourself, you go, okay, well, what do you want to do?

Speaker: What kind of people do you want to be around?

Speaker: But going back to echo chambers, right?

Speaker: There was another thing that I thought about echo chambers was really interesting is that sometimes people

Speaker: you fall into an echo chamber, right?

Speaker: Let's say the whole minister thing, like let's say the endodates of the word and this whole, do this, do that, right?

Speaker: And even that's a minority, right?

Speaker: You forget because everything is everywhere.

Speaker: You see endodate videos, for example, right?

Speaker: You're still a minority, so there's a small amount of people doing that.

Speaker: But what's really interesting is I always wonder, let's say if you're part of that echo chamber,

Speaker: do you ever like, would you want to give the other echo chambers a chance?

Speaker: Like, would you want to go listen to a feminist video?

Speaker: Like, I'm just like, you know, if you're a part of that, like, let's say, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying us, for example, I'm saying just, let's just say you're part of, you know, you're a guy who listens to annotate videos, watches, listens to Joe Rogan and watches, you know, listens to all this other, let's say, anti-feminist stuff and,

Speaker: well, no, they're not anti-feminists.

Speaker: That's a broad strike.

Speaker: That is a broad strike, right?

Speaker: That's Menosphere, right?

Speaker: I think that's what they call it.

Speaker: There's a name for it.

Speaker: Let's say you're a dude living in New York and you are all about this Redfield stuff.

Speaker: Would you be inclined to give any other echo chamber a chance?

Speaker: Because what if the echo chamber gets you and then you think,

Speaker: Oh wait, everything I believed was wrong.

Speaker: Well, yeah, well, if you go and watch like a, you know, a well-made video by a company that, you know, don't want to kill any animals, like you'll want to be a vegan in a second too.

Speaker: But like, I like, you know, at first, like when it's an emotional topic, it can be really hard.

Speaker: And that's why the old way of doing things is you don't talk about religion, you don't talk about politics at the dinner table, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker: We're past that.

Speaker: That's all people kind of want to talk about nowadays.

Speaker: But if people are open and if people, like, I feel like if someone tells you the way they got to their belief system, even if you don't agree with it, especially if you don't agree with it, but if there's some thought behind it and there's some rationale behind it,

Speaker: Only in the extreme cases will I go, oh, screw that.

Speaker: Like normally it's like, oh, cool.

Speaker: Like that's actually really awesome because you can always take little bits and pieces that, hey, maybe I need to be more thoughtful in this way or whatever else.

Speaker: I just don't like obviously.

Speaker: And even if it's like someone I agree with, if they're, you know, and there are some things that I would obviously stand firm on and don't really want wiggle room, like obviously, you know,

Speaker: chemical crash castration of kids you know stuff like that i don't want any wiggle room but like yeah if if people were even just like they they articulate how they came to a realization or a belief system it's like oh that's pretty cool like they're at least have put some thought into or they're not just you know following along or they're not just saying stuff because yeah because because that's just yeah if that makes sense

Speaker: It does.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, you couldn't get me to train vegan if you tried.

Speaker: No, exactly right.

Speaker: I don't think you could make an argument to me that you'll say, okay.

Speaker: I remember when I was like 17, I was walking.

Speaker: I just left Mount George Chopin Centre.

Speaker: I walked down the infamous Dorset Ball, you know what I mean, at the back there.

Speaker: And this pretty girl came up to me and she was vegetarian and she was talking to me about being a vegetarian.

Speaker: And I'd just seen a podcast about it.

Speaker: which is random, but she was a really attractive girl that I fell in love with on the spot, you know, how that happened.

Speaker: And then I went back home to my mum and I said, Mum, I'm thinking about trying this vegetarian stuff out.

Speaker: And she's like, why would you do that?

Speaker: She's like, oh, I met this girl who was really nice.

Speaker: And he's just like, Lockie, you don't want to be a vegetarian just like that girl.

Speaker: That's how the world works.

Speaker: It's...

Speaker: Some people will do some things, man.

Speaker: If you meet a girl that's into ice baths and not shaving her armpits, you'll go to that crazy place, bro.

Speaker: I suppose, again, there's some positive things you can get out of it, right?

Speaker: Let's say you could go, okay, if someone's really into you, someone you're dating or married or engaged, they could get you to be into

Speaker: I don't know, like weightlifting, right?

Speaker: Like you go to the gym and you go, okay, well, you know, I'll do that.

Speaker: I think that's a positive thing.

Speaker: I mean, to be fair, let's say, I don't think you would even work with a vegetarian for that matter.

Speaker: Yeah, I've met a few people lately that I know from work that just don't like the idea of

Speaker: But they don't really have like an opinion against you and they'll eat some, you know, Christmas time, they'll have some ham and stuff like that or chicken.

Speaker: So it's like they're just vegetarian because they feel bad and I'm okay with that like it is what it is Like I want to start talking about protein intake, but normally I just let them go because they're nice people You know, I just figured out why s hit on protein intake in the last four weeks So, you know who am I to bloody start lecture people but right such a beast brother once you get it it's possible but man for the longest time I struggled with getting enough in but now I'm doing all right, but

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: I feel like vegetarian veganism is almost in that non-negotiable category.

Speaker: I would struggle to, you know, to live, you know, to have a partner that was that way.

Speaker: But it just depends, though.

Speaker: Like, it is a normal thing.

Speaker: But if it was like a devout, you know, vegan, really passionate, it just, I don't know how it would work.

Speaker: Because there's just like this landmine that's ready to go off.

Speaker: Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker: You come home with like a nice beef jerky that you're just about to hook into.

Speaker: You just can't go to the petrol station with her.

Speaker: Like, I don't know.

Speaker: It just won't work.

Speaker: It just wouldn't work.

Speaker: Yeah, that's a big echo chamber.

Speaker: That is a massive one.

Speaker: For sure.

Speaker: And it is linked to the wellness, self-improvement, you know, ice bath trend that's going on at the moment, which is pretty cool because, you know, it's a lot better than the stuff that we grew up on.

Speaker: Like, I remember people like laying down on the plank position just in random spots.

Speaker: Like, that was a bit weird.

Speaker: At least people were doing stuff productive nowadays.

Speaker: I can't remember what it's called.

Speaker: The planking?

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: It literally was planking.

Speaker: Yeah, that's right.

Speaker: I remember working at Maccas and people would jump on the counter and plank.

Speaker: I'm like, what the hell is going on?

Speaker: So, yeah, there's an ulterior perspective to everything, isn't there?

Speaker: What are your thoughts on ice baths?

Speaker: Have you tried them?

Speaker: No, I just think you have a cold shower.

Speaker: I think it's a bit extreme.

Speaker: Yeah, me too.

Speaker: This is how I see it.

Speaker: They are really hard.

Speaker: They're frigging, you know, so I do understand that part of it.

Speaker: This is how I see most things.

Speaker: I think life is... Actually, let me give you a supposed question, right?

Speaker: This is, let's say, someone average, right?

Speaker: Like, let's say, late 20s, right, has a full-time job.

Speaker: You know, they want to hang out with the following activities that they kind of have to commit to or...

Speaker: are kind of requirements, right?

Speaker: So, basic requirements, let's say, is, let's say, 28, 27 years old, you have, you know, basic, bare minimum, you have to work, let's say, five days a week, right?

Speaker: You, you know, if you've got a partner or, you know, a girlfriend or whatever they may be, like, if you have a relationship, you have to allocate time to them, you have to allocate time to your family, spend time with your family, you probably want to work out at least four to five days, at least four days a week, let's say, still.

Speaker: then you probably yeah right it's a bare minimum right so those those are some things that you're doing right and let's step it up a notch a slightly bit let's say someone who's trying to do a little bit better right trying to get ahead of everyone and the same person would look something like that is trying to work like five days a week trying to go gym five days a week spend time with their partner spend time with their family trying to hustle on the side probably a little bit right and then other things come up like

Speaker: you're trying to do repairs to your house or you're helping out a friend, someone is moving, those things come up.

Speaker: You always think, oh yeah, that happens once a year.

Speaker: It doesn't really because each week there's something different, something different that comes up.

Speaker: One week you may be helping a friend move, the next week you may have to fix your laptop because it glitched out.

Speaker: Now you have to go buy a new laptop.

Speaker: You have to allocate that time to those unpredictable things.

Speaker: Then you probably, let's say you're a Christian or Muslim, you also

Speaker: You've got to allocate time to your spirituality or your religion, your faith, right?

Speaker: And now we've got some of the core stones, right?

Speaker: And then you go, this is the things that everyone, someone is trying to get ahead or someone trying to be a good, not just a good person, but someone who's active and trying to move in life, trying to progress, right, versus of staying still.

Speaker: How do you fit all of those elements

Speaker: in, right?

Speaker: In a piece of like, you know, time, 24 hours, right?

Speaker: Because you have to want to, you know, get some eight hours of sleep as well.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Six, right?

Speaker: You want to get six hours of sleep as well.

Speaker: And how do you fit all to that, right?

Speaker: And then let's say with all this happening, like you chuck on some other little things as well.

Speaker: Let's say some people, someone who has kids, right?

Speaker: Well, good luck to you, sir.

Speaker: Because, you know, with all that and, you know, all that,

Speaker: and you're doing a little bit more.

Speaker: With kids, there's a seismic shift that needs to occur.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: How do you manage that, right?

Speaker: So the only way you can manage something like that is to have strict balance, right?

Speaker: Like you can probably have like some sort of audit where you go, okay, yeah, like you really need to plan.

Speaker: You probably need to have a strict calendar, not a schedule.

Speaker: Plus, you know, you need to schedule your predictability into your schedule.

Speaker: Like you need to go,

Speaker: hey, I don't know what's going to happen, but something might happen.

Speaker: So I'll leave one hour to 40 minutes in a week.

Speaker: I'll tell you what is really funny.

Speaker: On the 23rd of January, which is the, so it's like not, it's next Tuesday, basically.

Speaker: So it's like 10 days away or something.

Speaker: Bro, I've said yes to two things that are like going to take up nearly the whole day.

Speaker: And I can't remember even, I can't find them on my phone anywhere.

Speaker: So it's just good.

Speaker: I've been so anxious the last few days.

Speaker: I'm like, what were they?

Speaker: So there we go.

Speaker: So they just don't show up to any of those.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But it's a, you know, it's a stick and like, you know, take me, for example, I travel for work, right?

Speaker: So let's say there'll be a, you know, just randomly, you know, every couple of months, I'll be decommissioned for a whole week or two, right?

Speaker: And then those obligations don't go away, right?

Speaker: Like, you know, things probably add up still at the back.

Speaker: You go, okay, well, I got to do all that.

Speaker: And like, you know, then you're in double time, right?

Speaker: yeah yeah and so so all that's happened right like um because let's say even sleep like you gotta catch up on sleep you're like i'm running sleep deprived like i've been sleeping before and half hours of sleep for five past six days like i at least want to get a good day uh but all that is happening like how do you manage like again you gotta have a schedule you gotta manage all that right like you gotta schedule

Speaker: strategically but be flexible like whenever be willing to delete everything off your calendar for a day if something comes up like that's how it should be right uh you know we go okay well that's why one of the things that i picked up was like i'm gonna train not necessarily seven days a week but train i'm not gonna say oh this is my rest day because i will have to take a rest day for one reason or another anyway

Speaker: Like, there'll be a day where we'll be like, oh, okay, I can't go to the gym today because this has come up, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, I've really started thinking about that because then more often than not, I promise you, something comes up.

Speaker: Like, this is – so, it might be – I'll tell you, and like, it just – that is – when you really spell it out like that, and for us, we all live a life like that in some way or another, some more than others, but the pace of the modern person, 2024, how –

Speaker: jam-packed everyone's days are.

Speaker: Even if you're like a lazy person, 50 years ago, you're still going like a mad dog.

Speaker: And you actually just brought it up.

Speaker: And I find like I know that for like devout Muslims praying five times a day is like the spine of the day that even if all quote-unquote hell is breaking loose or you've got the busiest day in the world, there's one thing you're going to do no matter what you're going to pray.

Speaker: It's the same with what came out of the Jewish tradition.

Speaker: Jewish Christian tradition is the day of Sabbath.

Speaker: So the last day of the week or one day of the week, you're just going to rest.

Speaker: You're going to do as little work as possible, not to be lazy, but to recharge your batteries.

Speaker: So it's like God knew God.

Speaker: our lives were going to get to this point or our lives were just going to be this.

Speaker: So he ingrained in our belief systems that we need to structure in time for him and then time away from what our commitments are or our own priority.

Speaker: And so I find that really interesting.

Speaker: And I think that's actually, at the moment, it's actually been the hardest thing for me to do

Speaker: And I'm not very I'm bad at saying no to people as well, like when they ask me to do stuff and just doing stuff.

Speaker: But like fitting in those times, because like it's going to come to a point where I'm pretty good right now, but like I can't keep up.

Speaker: Like I'm going to I'm going to start to burn out mentally a little bit and stuff like that.

Speaker: um and obviously like there's big stresses going on that are not going to be there forever but like the pace that we live our lives at the moment like it's and it's so funny because that came off the back and it was always like this but it you know we just look at covert a few years ago and it's different like so you know but i've never been like

Speaker: I've never been more happier than I am right now.

Speaker: So it's, it's really, it's really fascinating.

Speaker: And we're also in our late twenties as well.

Speaker: So we're like in this transitional phase from still being young, but nearly in thirties.

Speaker: And then how's different is life going to be in the next five years?

Speaker: Like, yeah, it's so cool.

Speaker: Yeah, for sure.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: I mean,

Speaker: It is what it is.

Speaker: And how important is it to not look at everything all at once, right?

Speaker: Like taking the days and what it's worth.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You got to break it down, right?

Speaker: You got to really break it down.

Speaker: And it's actually, I don't know if you watch Alex Himozi's, any of Alex Himozi's stuff, right?

Speaker: But he's a genius businessman, right?

Speaker: He's a genius, really smart dude, but really good, has really good business advice and whatnot, right?

Speaker: So,

Speaker: I was, there's a video that he talks about, he goes, well, you know, a problem with that most businesses face that is like, let's say, well, not businesses, let's put simply, right?

Speaker: So let's say you've got a business may have a goal of, you know, the powers to be may set a goal or KPI for the year, let's say, for year 2024, $1.4 million in revenue, right?

Speaker: You go, okay, cool.

Speaker: You give that to our, let's say you give that to your junior sales executive and

Speaker: he's going to scratch his head and probably freak out and have a seizure, right?

Speaker: Or something along those lines.

Speaker: You go, how am I going to manage $1.4 million in a year, right?

Speaker: But when you break it down, right, because your goal or your action is not to earn $1.4 million, you've got to go, okay, well, first of all, you need to figure out how we're going to get that.

Speaker: So let's say we need 20 customers to get, 20 customers paying, let's say, $10,000, for example.

Speaker: I'm not doing the math.

Speaker: I'm just saying that number, right?

Speaker: So

Speaker: I need a 20 customer paying X amount or $10,000 per month to get $1.2 million, right?

Speaker: I think that works.

Speaker: Does the math work?

Speaker: No, it doesn't.

Speaker: Anyway.

Speaker: That's like 600,000, yeah.

Speaker: So let's say, right?

Speaker: They could do 30, they could do 40,000.

Speaker: If they do 40,000 each, then you'll get 1.2.

Speaker: So let's see what, let's do the real math here, right?

Speaker: Times 20...

Speaker: times 12.

Speaker: That's 2.4 million actually.

Speaker: I'm overshot.

Speaker: I thought you said per month.

Speaker: Per month.

Speaker: So 2.4 million.

Speaker: So let's say we need X amount of customers paying this much per month.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Great.

Speaker: So now we need to find out how we're going to get those customers.

Speaker: So to get those customers, we need 600 leads or so, right?

Speaker: Based on our conversion rate that we've had.

Speaker: Okay, cool.

Speaker: Now we know that.

Speaker: We need these leads.

Speaker: How are we going to get the leads?

Speaker: Okay, we'll go to events.

Speaker: We're going to do some marketing.

Speaker: Great.

Speaker: Now we actually know what we're going to do is we're going to talk to the marketing team saying, hey, give us some marketing so we can get leads.

Speaker: And now your target is for the leads is give me 600 leads.

Speaker: That's our marketing target, right?

Speaker: Then you go, okay, we need to go to six events.

Speaker: And from each event, we need to get 15 leads.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: So now you know what you need to do and then you break it down.

Speaker: You actually, realistically, all you have to do in this scenario, right?

Speaker: Like you go, okay, there's three actions we need to do.

Speaker: Get some marketing done to get those leads.

Speaker: Get, go to events or, for example, and close those leads.

Speaker: You don't need to worry about getting to the 1.4 million dollars.

Speaker: It's not the activity.

Speaker: The activity is doing those things to get to the point.

Speaker: And same thing that comes to like, let's say,

Speaker: like goal weight or like dropping down body fat and whatnot.

Speaker: You go, well, drop down body fat.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: What the fuck?

Speaker: Like, how am I going to do that?

Speaker: Like, okay.

Speaker: I know I have a rough idea, but it's like, don't worry about that.

Speaker: Just set daily habits.

Speaker: Like, okay, well, train five days a week, do some cardio, eat in calorie deficit daily, like record your intake on, you know, intake on your fitness ball.

Speaker: I can do that.

Speaker: But you tell me to drop down body fat.

Speaker: It's too...

Speaker: vague and I don't know what to do so I think a lot of time like especially when we plan like people come up with goals for like New Year's and whatnot they always go okay I'm going to you know lose weight like good luck with that man like you don't know what you're doing like what do you mean lose weight like how are you going to lose weight do you even know like what's the plan there's no plan so but

Speaker: I think that's something that we… Totally, yeah.

Speaker: Like even that's a good one because I lately have had a few people ask me and I'll just flat out, I won't tell them.

Speaker: Sometimes I'll just say, oh, mate, you just need to have a few less beers.

Speaker: Might it be a drop low weight?

Speaker: Like sometimes I'll have a laugh.

Speaker: But when you tell them, oh, I just use my fitness power in five hours or six days of the week, I try to have less, I eat less than what my body expends.

Speaker: And it's so, it's kind of, it's so simple.

Speaker: Um, and like, even if you've been for your example, even if you've worked, like I've worked as a sales manager at a gym before, or I worked with this, like the CRM team, um,

Speaker: in the, in the betting companies though.

Speaker: And, and sort of say like my, I, I was like, man, the difference between the people that look at the big goal and the difference of the people that just immerse themselves in the daily habits and what path they need to do, like night and day between someone who just does the job and someone who's like doing the job really well.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's really cool.

Speaker: How you, how you sort of laid that all out.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Like, I think it's, it's really important to, I mean,

Speaker: this is, it goes deeper.

Speaker: Like, I think I truly, I truly think you should plan like a business, right?

Speaker: Because, I mean, a lot of these people that work at companies, right?

Speaker: It's like business planning is a great way to look at like how, I mean, these businesses, there's a reason they're still succeeding because they're coming up with a plan, right?

Speaker: And then we're walking around and, you know, in our jobs, we may actually be part of that planning situation.

Speaker: But when it comes to our lives, we're like,

Speaker: yeah good luck yeah to be honest to be honest i think someone who wrote down saying lose weight in 2024 is already ahead of most people because i mean i i think i think you can walk up to anyone ask them like hey what are your goals and they'll give you something oh lose weight like travel more it's like okay well do you have a written down plan until i can most 95 percent of the time they'll say no well if they are willing to tell you the truth i don't think anyone says written down plans

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Well, I actually did.

Speaker: I wrote some goals for this year.

Speaker: Well, you did, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I had an idea that you would write.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I had to set three calendar reminders and on the third one I did it.

Speaker: So not the first one, but I just keep reminding myself, like, you've got to do it because you go back and then you're like, oh, that's actually pretty good.

Speaker: And I'm thinking about it, but I'm not even thinking about it.

Speaker: But I'm thinking about it because I know that I'll be happy in the future that I wrote it down to look back and be like, oh, yeah, actually I'm doing that.

Speaker: because none of them are like crazy new things, you know, it's just the same old stuff.

Speaker: But I guess it's just such a good way to do it as well.

Speaker: Like, you know, I found my mental health and my stability in life improves when I dealt with or am dealing with the past, when I have peace in the present and I have hope for the future, right?

Speaker: Like, I feel like you could put that on the wall or a coffee mug like that.

Speaker: I feel like that's such a...

Speaker: And that just transfigures all of life.

Speaker: Like anyone can – and that's just – it's kind of basic, but it's so good.

Speaker: And it's been really, really, really helpful.

Speaker: For sure.

Speaker: I mean –

Speaker: same thing like i think i try not i mean i'm good with not dwelling onto the past as much yeah and then it's like a skill you get better at it the more you practice not doing it or doing it but not doing it but but i i think what i find good is like having a like having a plan is gives me peace of mind like oh i'm actually gonna try achieving something and i i am i'm probably over i overshoot with my planning right to be honest like

Speaker: I'll show you my screen.

Speaker: My plan looks like a business plan for something that you're about to pitch for a multi-billion dollar company.

Speaker: Do you have a big calendar?

Speaker: I do.

Speaker: A physical calendar?

Speaker: No, I don't.

Speaker: My friend makes calendars, which is really cool, and I sort of like it.

Speaker: It's a bit small, but I'm going to start using it.

Speaker: I've just put my mum's birthday in it.

Speaker: That's the only thing I've got in at the moment.

Speaker: But I kind of like at work, they've got the three-month calendar.

Speaker: I actually kind of feel like I want to do that.

Speaker: Like obviously, you know, I don't even know if I'll follow through with it, but I feel like that would, you know, that would actually be not a bad idea.

Speaker: Yeah, like let me show you.

Speaker: Like I mean, I've treated, I think it's coming up to roughly, let me tell you, because I've got my, since 2019, I've started doing this.

Speaker: I've started treating my life like a business, like how am I,

Speaker: Let me share my screen, right?

Speaker: And I'll share my screen.

Speaker: Like, yeah, you probably are the same way.

Speaker: My Google Calendar is like, it's a tab on my phone that never closes.

Speaker: Do you have like a few tabs that you, yeah, it's a tab.

Speaker: And my audio book I'm reading, it's the tab that never closes.

Speaker: I feel like that's a good, that's a good little nugget as well.

Speaker: Just keep it open, keep it in the background, just keep it there.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Most days, like this is what my calendar looks like.

Speaker: I mean, you can see.

Speaker: like actually like properly planned and whatnot.

Speaker: So not just like recently, I mean, not super busy getting back into the groove or thing, but let's see if we go back, what it was looking like before.

Speaker: Like this is, this is like peak calendar, right?

Speaker: Like basically, like scheduling, like scheduling, like leg day and what time to wake up, what time to sleep, like going up with the one day.

Speaker: I have an alarm obviously, but yes, scheduling sleep is, that's a, that's top G stuff.

Speaker: And there is, I think,

Speaker: There's been going where I've gone through periods where I've actually tracked like how many hours of sleep I'm getting as well on my calendar.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I want to get one of those rings, not a watch.

Speaker: I've tried the watch too much and I just take it off, but I can't remember what the company is, but apparently the ring is really good for tracking your sleep.

Speaker: Yeah, I've heard about that.

Speaker: I think the ring is meant to be good because it's light.

Speaker: You don't have to worry about like thing is.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But like this is, so for example, right?

Speaker: I planned my, personally, I planned my,

Speaker: So I've got my plans for every, like dating back to 2019.

Speaker: So let's say 2024, right?

Speaker: I planned for like, this is what I did.

Speaker: This is Notion.

Speaker: I'm using Notion to plan, but so, but what I did was like, okay, here's my plan for you.

Speaker: These are my key goals.

Speaker: Like I wrote out like how I feel, like what I did last year, like, you know, why I want to do some of the things.

Speaker: And you've done that progressively or did you do that?

Speaker: Like did you have one day just go and go ahead?

Speaker: No, no, I didn't.

Speaker: It took me maybe five days to actually like finish.

Speaker: Because I don't know if you can watch my scroll.

Speaker: Like, so it's actually pretty long.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So it was things like a business prop.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: But I, you know, I said to my, this is what I said.

Speaker: The success of this year is measured not only by achievements of those goals listed below, but by the following, which was, which is progress, making progress, making progress towards things that truly matter to me.

Speaker: Balance, not sacrificing one area of life for growth in another and enjoyment, finding enjoyment in each day for its own sake.

Speaker: and I thought that's how I'm going to know if I hit that sure I may not get all the ticks saying yes let's say I've got goal saying batch 120 kilos for 5 reps which to be honest I'm already pretty close but if I don't tick this off and I really enjoy going to the gym I think I'm pretty happy with that but like I said like a side mission eh

Speaker: Yeah, it's a side mission.

Speaker: But this is what I did.

Speaker: I said, hey, my goal is to bench 120 kilos.

Speaker: But 120 kilos, I can't just go to the gym and bench 120 kilos.

Speaker: So I said, lift weight five days a week, do cardio five to 10 minutes, go for a 20-minute morning walk, be in bed by midnight, take progress photos, monitor my calorie intake, drink more water,

Speaker: you know, use, eat my vitamins, which is like, you know, fish oil and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker: To be honest, if I do all this thing... How have you been with that?

Speaker: The last probably three months, I've started using vitamins routinely for the first time in my life.

Speaker: I would use them and then get over them.

Speaker: I've actually been good at the moment.

Speaker: How are you with that?

Speaker: I'm pretty good as well.

Speaker: Like I, and I check this in my Google calendar and my to-do app.

Speaker: So I get a daily reminder to eat.

Speaker: So I go, okay, well, I do it as well.

Speaker: So I don't always, you know, so,

Speaker: that's kind of the plan like you know things like read 24 books and let's go my spirituality like I was thinking like I'm gonna try fasting for 15 days this year and attend that attend at least 20 prayers Friday prayers this week this year right like switches yeah and listen to the Quran or audible yeah 100% like that's something that that's where it starts right so hard to read it physically sorry can you go I'm just the phone I'm looking at that on my phone so I can't really see it just your spiritual ones they were really good

Speaker: Enhancing emotional resilience.

Speaker: Applying stock principles.

Speaker: Finish the crown on Audible.

Speaker: For sure.

Speaker: Friday prayers.

Speaker: Meditate.

Speaker: Journal.

Speaker: Yeah, I've started journaling like a couple of weeks ago, bro.

Speaker: It's difficult, but I just try to get myself to do one sentence a day and it actually is really, really nice.

Speaker: And then like once a week, I'll kind of read it back.

Speaker: It's so fruitful.

Speaker: I feel like if you add in once or twice a week, if you add in like a nice...

Speaker: like obviously a nice Muslim content creator and watch some Quran teachings, that'll help massively too.

Speaker: That's what I really like to listen to is like reading the Holy Bible is one thing, but when you don't fully know the context of when and how it was written for, like it really helps that sort of stuff.

Speaker: So yeah, that's cool as bro.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then like, he's like, I put all those, the action items in my, like, let's say my Apple to do list or to do a list, right.

Speaker: And I say, like, and this repeats.

Speaker: I go, okay, did I do this today?

Speaker: Did I do this?

Speaker: Like, you know, so all of these are here to actually remind me, like, okay, well, you know, do this thing, do that, like, all those things in different areas.

Speaker: So my, I think this was probably people, someone not seeing, be able to see this.

Speaker: I think the whole point of... We did a pretty good job.

Speaker: To discuss the fact that, like, how important it is to, like, be mindful of, for us, you know, going off, like,

Speaker: how important it is to be meticulous with your planning.

Speaker: Like, at least that's what I find.

Speaker: I think, I mean, I don't know what I'll do.

Speaker: Like, have, go to the gym five days a week.

Speaker: Like, and then just, I'll just do that.

Speaker: Like, go to the gym and then work and go to work.

Speaker: And then what else would I do?

Speaker: I don't think I want, I think I just go backwards as Jordan Peterson says.

Speaker: It's like, there's no,

Speaker: Even if you're being productive, you're not being deliberate enough.

Speaker: It's a bit deliberate.

Speaker: That works really well for you and how well it is.

Speaker: It is literally like a business plan, the way you have that laid out, but it's so clear and it's like even if you don't fully do that because that's just not how you function.

Speaker: I think taking parts of that is so beneficial and that's really practical as well.

Speaker: That's really helped me.

Speaker: That's kind of what motivates me to

Speaker: do a little bit more or having a little bit more of, because I have a lot of the stuff written down, but I still am living off my, like, that place where you know what to do in your head, but you don't have it in front of you.

Speaker: And that's what I like about journaling is just writing it down again.

Speaker: Like, yeah, something about putting it out there.

Speaker: And it's like what I do, and this evolves every year.

Speaker: Like, the year before, I was not as good

Speaker: Like, can I, if I show you this, like, but one thing I did really good was, like, each area, like, let's say for my health and fitness, I came up with, like, a statement.

Speaker: I said, okay, what is my commitment to myself for this year?

Speaker: Like, a mission statement, right?

Speaker: So, I say, like, I said.

Speaker: But if you say affirmation, I'm going to headbutt you.

Speaker: No, I would not say affirmation, right?

Speaker: So, like, if you look at this.

Speaker: That's why I love you.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, if you look at this, right, and in 2023, I said, building on my 2022 year, I'll keep training five to six days a week.

Speaker: I will be the healthiest I've been in my life.

Speaker: So I get abs, like potentially in addition, I need to make sleeping abroad.

Speaker: Like I kind of like, and why was like, because to become the best version of myself, right?

Speaker: I need my body, right?

Speaker: Like it's kind of, that's important.

Speaker: And like, if you look at my plan, like I only hit it with about, let's say 50% to 60% accuracy, right?

Speaker: I didn't do everything.

Speaker: But, but what I did,

Speaker: I would have not done if I hadn't planned before.

Speaker: Totally.

Speaker: And is there some of that that you carried over?

Speaker: Yeah, everything I did, some things, like for example, I really wanted to do MMA last year.

Speaker: This year, I'm not as much inclined to do MMA.

Speaker: I think this year I wanted to focus more on my strength training.

Speaker: So this year, I dropped that out.

Speaker: I reckon a way to go would be, and this might come back, like I feel like you'd have to deal with like Reyes or something who would be really good.

Speaker: But if you went to, what's the place in Blacktown called?

Speaker: Full Force?

Speaker: Full Force, yeah.

Speaker: If you did some Muay Thai kickboxing there, bro, I feel like that would be actually, that would actually be a good little gateway in.

Speaker: But doing it with someone to start with is a cheat code for sure.

Speaker: Like, yeah.

Speaker: But,

Speaker: And then, by the way, this is what my planning looked like in 2019.

Speaker: I enjoy life more, you know, like manage money better.

Speaker: Like, I'm still doing it.

Speaker: Like, each year, 2019, 2020, I started getting better.

Speaker: Like, saying, okay, a bit more 2021.

Speaker: And then... Yeah, well, mine is like your 2019.

Speaker: Mine's just a thought point.

Speaker: What's your...

Speaker: What's your, do you keep like a record?

Speaker: I have a document on my phone of all the audio books that I've read because I'm trying to buy some of them and I've probably got about 15 now, but I kind of one day want to be in a position where I can have a bookcase and stuff like that.

Speaker: I just feel like that, even if I'm not reading the books, I want to buy a physical copy of the book.

Speaker: Like I've got like two books.

Speaker: two books in front of me right now that I'm audiobooking but I haven't read but like it's you know I'm kind of reading like do you have a copy of that or you just have it on the library of the app well I have a again treating it like a business I have a digital library like where I put my notes and whatnot so again I'll share my screen yeah so like all the books that I've read I'm really sure it's gone on the iPad

Speaker: I think if you, I don't know if you.

Speaker: Do you reckon will that interview with Zencasta?

Speaker: It probably will, so.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Oh, yeah, I'll just leave that.

Speaker: So, like, I suppose I'll tell you, like, so, for example, like, all the books I've read, like, what's, like, you know, would I really recommend that to someone else?

Speaker: Oh, shit, bro.

Speaker: What am I talking about?

Speaker: Look at this big boy stuff you got here.

Speaker: Fuck.

Speaker: Dude, you haven't got it color-coded yet, too.

Speaker: I've got it color-coded, right?

Speaker: But what I did was like every time I read a book, like I've recently just read this book, Deep Work, right?

Speaker: So I've read this book and I read this book and you can see my journaling here as well.

Speaker: Like when I was journaling, so New Year's, I journal on this day, my life log, and I actually was reading this book and I kind of said what the big idea was from this book, some key notes.

Speaker: A question for you is how much of this is you and how much is ChatGPT?

Speaker: It's all me.

Speaker: This is all me.

Speaker: This is ChatGPT, like automatic, like it's saying, coming up with a CSS, AI summary.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But you're, that's worth respect.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So this is like me just writing a big idea so I can, instead of reading the book again, I can just read this.

Speaker: And then, like, for example, the key ideas, what, like you could implement from this book, and if I just tell you, you don't need to read the book, is build habits of daily deep work, two to three hours of focused,

Speaker: free from distraction to maximize output.

Speaker: Could social media adapt a craftsman's approach, which is like, you know, how would someone like, you know, someone who builds a table from like wood, like how would they work?

Speaker: They don't just like do a one hit and then go away.

Speaker: Implement strategies to scheduling deep work.

Speaker: Like that's the key three ideas from this book.

Speaker: And so I just can just kind of read this and implement that.

Speaker: That's a good one.

Speaker: I could say even like, um,

Speaker: elements of some of my jobs that are mundane or quite automatic like it's easy to fall into that automatic phase and obviously you want to kind of be flowing as well but like when when those times when i feel optimized or energized and kind of both and i take

Speaker: like I'm deliberate with the next place I go to and what I'm talking about with the next person before I go and take that thing back somewhere else.

Speaker: Like it's so much more, such a better, more enjoyable, but like not enjoyable in the way of like I'm having fun, but like enjoyable for the soul.

Speaker: Like it just feels better doing it like that, doesn't it?

Speaker: Like it's such a. Oh, that's literally what he says in the book.

Speaker: He says you feel better.

Speaker: And then this is another book that I don't want to ever read it, which is 80-20 Principle.

Speaker: And I said, like, okay, well, so basically the big idea is here, the 80-20 Principle is how small proportion of effort or input often leads to the majority of the output or reward.

Speaker: It's a really cool book to read as well.

Speaker: It's a crazy book.

Speaker: But yeah, man, like it still doesn't beat a library, but you know, one day.

Speaker: Nah, well, you know what I mean, in one day if you want to, but that's just as good.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I'll tell you what needs to be on that book very, that list very soon, mate.

Speaker: The Quran.

Speaker: The Quran.

Speaker: I've got the Quran.

Speaker: Radha.

Speaker: Nah, nah.

Speaker: Do I have the Quran?

Speaker: I'll just pretend it too.

Speaker: Radha.

Speaker: Now, that would be some notes that I'd love to go through with them.

Speaker: Yeah, I think I'm going to listen.

Speaker: I mean, I started it a couple of years ago and then it's so dense.

Speaker: And it's okay.

Speaker: It shouldn't be bad.

Speaker: And I'm not saying it is.

Speaker: But when I was younger, I was worried.

Speaker: It's okay to say that.

Speaker: That's why these resources and people who...

Speaker: being studied in language and studied in the big one is being studied in what the culture did and what was happening when you know when the book was written and what was happening in world history and stuff like that like when you put those pieces together like oh it actually brings it to life again it's not just an old book like it what was happening there was an audience that was written to um and the time was written to even though it transcends that time period because we're still reading it today like

Speaker: What was happening 600 AD or something like that when it was written, like that's really important to what it means in some way.

Speaker: You know, I've obviously never read it, so I'm just talking out of my backside, but that's what it's like for the Bible.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It was written for a specific population at a specific time.

Speaker: Actually, the Bible was written over 1,500 years, so it's really broad and big and stuff like that.

Speaker: But there's like this core narrative that flows through it and there's cross-references.

Speaker: It's really cool.

Speaker: um they did like this um like this really cool venn diagram and it's like a flat line it's got all these curves on it i'll try to find it for you it's really cool and there's like 60 000 plus cross references within the bible of past books and previous books and books that were written later in the future like it's really cool um and then you just go like oh well like it yeah it uh yeah it brings it yeah it makes it a bit easier to understand well every time you go it's like all right you know

Speaker: But it takes work, eh?

Speaker: Like, it takes work for sure.

Speaker: Yeah, for sure.

Speaker: I mean, that's it.

Speaker: I think the work is probably the best way to put it.

Speaker: No, you just have to manage to fit all of that in and you're good to go.

Speaker: Yeah, well, that's why you just have little nips at a time, two minutes.

Speaker: I have my first thing I do when I wake up in the morning and I was naughty today because I didn't do it, but most of the time I do it is I open up the Bible app and I read the verse of the day.

Speaker: So every day they have a new verse and then you start it off like that.

Speaker: And then you're just getting a little bit in, you're planting the seed and then the seed grows.

Speaker: But

Speaker: I feel like, yeah, that's a good way to do it.

Speaker: First thing in the morning you see is that and then you kind of want more of it.

Speaker: And I feel like I'm paying a debt.

Speaker: It's really weird.

Speaker: But like, say if I've got a day where I've got some time to listen to things, I've got my phones in at work or I've got a day off, like I have to do at least an hour and a half to two hours of Bible, of worship music or of teaching before I can go and watch my other stuff.

Speaker: I've got it.

Speaker: And I've built that up over time.

Speaker: It used to be five minutes.

Speaker: I used to just, and it was like guilt.

Speaker: I used to just like, oh, I've got to quickly listen to it.

Speaker: So God's not that.

Speaker: I mean, like it was rubbish like that.

Speaker: But yeah, so it starts small and then, yeah, it's so good.

Speaker: So good.

Speaker: Do you find that you become more religious as older you get?

Speaker: for me, it doesn't feel religious as how I knew religious to be when I was younger, but I definitely am clinging and seeking it more and more and I'm wanting to live how it tells.

Speaker: So yes, by definition, that's what religion is.

Speaker: So most definitely.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think I was just using it.

Speaker: I mean, probably like saying religious, do you become more religious?

Speaker: And look, I had,

Speaker: Nice way to put it, but... There are people and there are Christians and my dad used to hate the word religion and I'm not like that.

Speaker: I actually like the word religion.

Speaker: There used to be like, there's a lot of dogma with it and a lot of negative, but yeah, 100%.

Speaker: The problem is like when you do talk to people about it,

Speaker: the r word the religion word has a lot of like people just close the walls you know what i mean it has a lot of it has a lot of thing to it um so that's probably what my reaction was there because like a hundred yeah yeah i think i mean that's why that's why even even with yourself i don't even with myself i find i i used to find that's why i i like the word more spiritual spirituality which was a bit more uh

Speaker: I suppose, millennial and Gen Z friendly term.

Speaker: Yeah, it is that.

Speaker: And this is like spirituality.

Speaker: It's all like cushy.

Speaker: So it's easier to manage and it's more, it means the same thing, like where your connection to higher self, right?

Speaker: So we should hire the higher being or whatever it is, maybe, right?

Speaker: Everyone's got different interpretations of it.

Speaker: But I think that's something that I found more, something that I'm a bit more invested in.

Speaker: And, you know, there's,

Speaker: It's fascinating because like I, part of my journaling is I do like, this is something, I don't know if you want to give this a go as well.

Speaker: Like I tried this as well.

Speaker: I would, when I would journal, right.

Speaker: Part of my journal, one of the journal section I put was, was like my, the prayer, right.

Speaker: Like, and I would just literally write something out.

Speaker: That's something that I, you know, you, and then I found it to be like so much more free flowing than like,

Speaker: Let's say if you pray when you say you are asked for structure.

Speaker: At least from work for me, it was something like, hey, I hope this, dear God, whatever it may be, dear God, help me with this or forgive me for all the stupid things I've done, that kind of stuff.

Speaker: Help me with something.

Speaker: So,

Speaker: And it's funny because I started doing like, or like, look after my, like, this friend is sick.

Speaker: Like, and it was really cool acknowledgement.

Speaker: Like a weird, I really liked that actually.

Speaker: You felt the power in it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I felt, I felt that was nice.

Speaker: And, but what that reminded me of what I was saying was like, started doing, I started doing that.

Speaker: And, um, I found part of the thing that I always wanted to write, write was, uh,

Speaker: Forgive me for all the stupid shit I've done.

Speaker: There's a weight.

Speaker: I feel like there's a weight when you step, you know, or you try to step into the presence of the most holiest thing in all creation, the creator of the universe.

Speaker: And immediately you position yourself towards the things you've done wrong because you don't feel worthy enough to be in his presence.

Speaker: Like that is such a normal thing.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I find it's, it's, it,

Speaker: And the stupid shit is the best way to put it.

Speaker: Yeah, like I write, I mean, you know what's funny?

Speaker: Because I always find, I always find like, this is where I always, this is why I thought it was good.

Speaker: I like the fact that you can define the way your relationship is with your God or your whoever it may be, right?

Speaker: Like let's say with God, right?

Speaker: Not with your God, with God, no matter how you look at it, right?

Speaker: And the reason being is because

Speaker: when I, when I truly want to speak my mind, like, let's say, I, and this is interesting, like, I speak multi, I speak two languages, but I think, I think in English, or even more, right?

Speaker: Yeah, I speak, yeah, three or four, three languages, like, including dialects or something like that, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, but I would, I think in English, and usually when I think, like, my purest of thinking would be something like that, ah, damn, man, like, God forgive me for my stupid shit, I've done, like, all that dumb shit, and,

Speaker: I always, like, and there was for such a long time, I always used to think, oh, no, like, when I pray, I have to be like, dear Lord, forgive me for the sins I've caused and the sins I've committed.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: And blesseth upon me your blessings.

Speaker: Like, you know, I don't know why I felt that.

Speaker: Like, we always thought, like, maybe that's what the people before me told me, but.

Speaker: Yeah, and you see that in movies.

Speaker: Like, you definitely see, yep.

Speaker: So I dropped that shit.

Speaker: And the best way to put it was, like, hey, do you go forgive me for the stupid shit I've done?

Speaker: Save me for the consequences of the dumb shit that I've done, you know?

Speaker: Yeah, and I always think about the amount of stuff that he would have stopped us from happening near misses and stuff.

Speaker: And I do still see the value in structured prayer because sometimes your mind is so racy and you know you need to get it in.

Speaker: But, like,

Speaker: it's for me it's just like conversation but it's not conversation with a bro like you know it's still conversation with the creator of the universe but it's just talking because if he's really as powerful as he as as they say he is he already knows what you're going to say before you say it anyway so you're just you're just it's really for you but it's you're talking to him you know like that's so cool that that makes it really cool so what exactly yeah it's it's

Speaker: Yeah, I think that's a nice way to put it.

Speaker: I didn't think about it.

Speaker: The prayer is more for you than God.

Speaker: Yeah, if he's really that powerful, he doesn't need any of us.

Speaker: He created us because he loves us.

Speaker: Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

Speaker: You know what I find?

Speaker: This is going super deep into religion, but I suppose I might as well talk about this, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I've started, as you saw, one of my goals was to go to Friday prayers more often, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: last couple of weeks, two out of two so far has been successful.

Speaker: So both weeks.

Speaker: And that's the first two Fridays of the year.

Speaker: It's the first two Fridays of the year, which has been good, right?

Speaker: And one of the things I found myself doing is recently I've noticed that I'm fairly focused when I start doing something.

Speaker: I can do it.

Speaker: I commit my head to it.

Speaker: I don't get distracted.

Speaker: it's been helpful that I've gotten rid of a lot of the social medias out of my phone.

Speaker: Totally, yeah.

Speaker: I mean, as you'll notice, I don't even respond to this.

Speaker: It took me a week to find you.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Sorry about that.

Speaker: But I deleted most of the social media out of my phone.

Speaker: And I don't watch TikTok and videos.

Speaker: Sometimes I watch Instagram Reels.

Speaker: But even that, that's limited.

Speaker: So it's been helpful.

Speaker: But whenever I start praying, it's actually really difficult.

Speaker: to actually focus like you know that i don't know how to explain what i mean it's focused like no i feel the same way all the things like all of a sudden i want to start thinking about the thinking about the hey oh man i should have replaced that toilet paper roll this morning like damn like it's so uh it's like a waterfall way yeah like you stick your head under a waterfall and you just want a little tap and then you just get the waterfall yeah exactly so it's like

Speaker: And I was thinking, I was like, how am I, like, usually my brain would go silent if I'm working on something.

Speaker: But whenever I try to pray, why is it, like, so much more difficult?

Speaker: And so far, my conclusions being this will probably be a practice thing.

Speaker: Like, the more I get it, it will probably go away.

Speaker: But part of me also wonders if it's a deeper reason, like, our brains are, like, so programmed because we've spent so many years, like, programming ourselves for distractions, like,

Speaker: When we try to change, you go like, you know, we see if you find that resistance or if you want to be a bit more spiritual, you know, is it the devil himself?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, bringing all the thoughts, right?

Speaker: So our thought patterns were heading in the same direction.

Speaker: I think I have two answers to the question because I feel like this is what I've experienced and what I've been taught as well.

Speaker: And the first one is 100% true.

Speaker: The phones, just the noise of the world, the anxiety of having a to-do list and all that sort of thing.

Speaker: That's why they always talk about having a private room or a quiet space to go into because at least you're alleviating some of that.

Speaker: And I actually got told something really recently that was really cool.

Speaker: They were like, don't think about it as a point of view where, oh man, I'm getting distracted.

Speaker: Oh, I'm not doing it.

Speaker: Think about it as, okay, I'm getting distracted.

Speaker: Now I want to shift my focus back onto God.

Speaker: And every time I get distracted, it's actually an opportunity to shift my focus back onto him and I'm not getting distracted.

Speaker: So instead of being like, oh man, I'm losing it.

Speaker: It's like, oh man, I keep bringing it back to God.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: Every time.

Speaker: So it's like you get this opportunity to re-engage and then,

Speaker: For sure, I feel like the enemy, and obviously the enemy being the devil, knows you're praying.

Speaker: And so he gets in and the way he talks to you is really fast in front, like the world, like boom, boom, boom, here I am.

Speaker: And then God's always just around the back.

Speaker: A little quiet word will come in and it'll mean more than everything else.

Speaker: But, I mean, the Bible says that the devil is the God of the world.

Speaker: And so he talks to you like the world does.

Speaker: God has this calm, peace, conviction.

Speaker: Sometimes he'll send the warning signals out, but normally it's like a quiet little voice.

Speaker: So you try to listen for that.

Speaker: But that's so hard to do when everything's being thrown at you as well.

Speaker: So it's definitely both.

Speaker: Like, it's definitely not just that it's not always the devil might blame him.

Speaker: Sometimes it's just like,

Speaker: You know, you've been at work on the phone all day.

Speaker: Like, you know, it's the same.

Speaker: Like, you would have been the same when you went to, like, nightclubs or music festivals.

Speaker: Like, you hear that shit for, like, three days.

Speaker: Like, you can't get it out of your brain.

Speaker: But, yeah.

Speaker: So he speaks in one way.

Speaker: And God, for me, speaks in a different way.

Speaker: It's a lot more, yeah.

Speaker: And a lot of the times, I don't know if it's me or him.

Speaker: And then I go, like, oh, I'm not sure.

Speaker: Well, I think this is where it gets really interesting because I think the praying and meditation,

Speaker: which is, I mean, probably meditation actually evolved from praying itself, actually, but meditation is a great example.

Speaker: Like when you meditate, right?

Speaker: I think it's just like a practical example of prayer.

Speaker: It's just one way to do prayer.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, so like when we, when we meditate, right, I learned about, learned about this, like I watched videos on how to meditate properly earlier days.

Speaker: I could not, I haven't,

Speaker: I don't meditate as much anymore.

Speaker: This is an interesting one.

Speaker: I do meditate before sleeping, which is really interesting.

Speaker: And I fall asleep, by the way.

Speaker: So it's really interesting.

Speaker: So I found, like, one of the things I learned about meditation is, like, let's say whenever you're sleeping and your mind's, like, really racy.

Speaker: So what you tend to do is, like, you observe your thoughts, not as your thoughts, but as someone who's a spectator of your thoughts.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And let's say you're standing, like, a near highway, right?

Speaker: You see a car going past, you see it, acknowledge it, but you go, okay, well, this is a car and let it go past, right?

Speaker: And then so on, the next thought will come along and you just look at it and you go, okay, I see this, acknowledge it.

Speaker: That's my thought.

Speaker: That's a thought.

Speaker: not me as an individual and bring you to whatever the anchor point is whether if it's a prayer right your anchor point be a prayer or in meditation your anchor point would be let's say breathing or a visualization exercise right so that works also and i think i'm going to start trying that as well but part of it doesn't yeah like like i said i think it probably takes practice

Speaker: Yeah, and I think you kind of learn who God is over time as well because when you're trying to pray to him, it's hard to quantify what he is and so you don't know where to put your focus.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But the best way that I've heard it is it's someone who is omnipresent and omnipotent, so he knows everything but he's also everywhere.

Speaker: And so you can't go anywhere where he's not there.

Speaker: And so you don't have to –

Speaker: you just have to speak and have this blind faith almost that you know he's there even though he won't always show you that he's there but he's always there so whatever you say and as i said before he knows what you're going to say before you say it so um yeah it uh i just kept reminding myself that he's hearing it he's hearing it he's hearing it's hearing it and normally you just get it out you articulate the prayer and then the answers in the prayer um

Speaker: And yeah, but it's hard.

Speaker: Like there's different types of prayer.

Speaker: You're praying for someone else.

Speaker: So you're praying for something that's going to happen.

Speaker: There's another type we call intercessory prayer where you're trying to pray on behalf of someone like, you know, my brother's sick.

Speaker: I want him to be better, that sort of thing.

Speaker: I guess those are easier sometimes because you're praying about something.

Speaker: When you're just praying for peace, like, that's hard because you're like, I don't know what peace is.

Speaker: Like, yeah.

Speaker: But it's definitely, it's such a practice thing.

Speaker: And then going to, like, church or going to your Friday meetings, like, and I don't want to just call them that, like,

Speaker: something about being around a lot of other people praying you're like oh now i know why people do this because it's so much easier to focus like you still get distracted but it's it's just group think bro it's exactly like the gym profit yeah it's exactly like when people say oh why don't you work out at home it's like well no fuck that i'm gonna go

Speaker: When I'm at home, I'd rather do home shit that I would be doing.

Speaker: And then when I go to the gym, I feel like my heart... As soon as I enter, my heart rate starts going up.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Four scoops.

Speaker: It's all great.

Speaker: That too.

Speaker: But I think... I mean, I've seen that.

Speaker: I've tracked my heartbeat.

Speaker: Entering the gym, A, the music, the environment, you're just like, okay, well, I'm ready to lift some heavy-ass shit, right?

Speaker: Ready to pounce.

Speaker: Yeah, so...

Speaker: ready to hurt my back.

Speaker: So, you know, it's... It really, really, I think that scene sets it.

Speaker: Like, same thing when you go to the mosque or you go to the church, you go, okay, well, like that shift in mind.

Speaker: And part of that distraction that I'm talking about is probably helpful.

Speaker: Like you said, you know, they say find a quiet room or in that scenario, it's probably better than a quiet room because you're in an environment that supports that activity.

Speaker: Just like how

Speaker: It doesn't work.

Speaker: There's energy, it's physical and non-physical, but being when everyone else, yeah, like I've heard it correlated to like coal and fire.

Speaker: If you've got a big pit of coal and there's fire, there's a lot of fire around.

Speaker: But if you're one piece of coal, you lose your heat.

Speaker: So when you're around a lot of people, it's just hotter.

Speaker: Everything's like, yeah.

Speaker: You know, it's funny.

Speaker: I have this weird image in my head about prayers, right?

Speaker: And I always...

Speaker: Where did it come from?

Speaker: There's a show I seen a while ago.

Speaker: I think it might have been Supernatural.

Speaker: I can't remember.

Speaker: But there's this image that's stuck in my head.

Speaker: I always imagine.

Speaker: Was that one of the two brothers?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I always imagine whenever I drive past a church or like drive past a church or a mosque and I always think to myself, I was like,

Speaker: I imagine like this aura of prayers, like just flowing out of this like place.

Speaker: Like, you know, all this, if like, if you could imagine like prayers, like, you know, like an energy of prayers.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, if we were able to see, have spiritual eyes, that's what we would see.

Speaker: We would see all that communication.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which is ironic because telecommunication sort of operates that way.

Speaker: It can't be seen, but it's going like, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So it's, I always,

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: That was pointless to tell you that.

Speaker: Nah, I don't know.

Speaker: Bro, I reckon when you take like LSD and stuff like that, I reckon that's what's happening a little bit.

Speaker: Like, you know, I don't know.

Speaker: Maybe your physical senses are just being heightened to a point that you don't recognize things, but there is a big, you know, there is a big... And the people that I like to hear talk about this stuff are the ones who are very spiritual within the security of religion, but they've also had...

Speaker: spiritual experiences outside of religion and, you know, party drugs or whatever else.

Speaker: And they say it's the same thing.

Speaker: It's the same thing.

Speaker: So, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker: Yeah, it is.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: It is fascinating.

Speaker: But, yeah, I mean, I suppose we're all trying, right?

Speaker: Like this is next year when we'll have our 36th episode.

Speaker: I'll tell you about all the things how I, if I achieved any of the things that I'm telling you.

Speaker: I expect your hair to be a bit shorter up top and your beard to be a little bit long, brother.

Speaker: I just shaved.

Speaker: I'm at the point now where I just want a clean face, but I did, I full had the beard oil going.

Speaker: I had the full beard going and then I sort of stitched it.

Speaker: Yeah, it's a big commitment.

Speaker: It is, yeah.

Speaker: It is once, yeah, it's a big commitment to grow a beard, but, you know, for now, I'm, for now, I feel like, I feel like before we finish, a couple of minutes, I feel like I'd be spewing if I didn't ask about the boys, how are the boys going?

Speaker: Oh, the boys, oh, look, you know, they're good.

Speaker: They're being, everyone's being the average of, average of five people.

Speaker: Off their conversation or no?

Speaker: No, no, no.

Speaker: So, I mean, everyone is good, right?

Speaker: Like, so,

Speaker: Terrence is doing his Terrence things making progress in life and growing up which is good you notice as time goes on that your friends grow up as well it's weird because I suppose you grow up yourself as well but when you see someone that you've been growing up with he's craft as well yeah he's getting good at his craft you see them grow up you acknowledge that or you go okay damn that's a bit of a better decision

Speaker: At core, they're exactly the same.

Speaker: I mean, you jump in a car with them and they'll yell for the whole length of M4, right?

Speaker: But you want that, you know, you want that as well.

Speaker: So I think there's probably another 10 years of yelling in them.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Another 10 years of yelling in there.

Speaker: It's good about, you know, and then Liam is always a fresher breathier to hang out with because, you know, he's not as loud.

Speaker: as Terence is but he's a good fella he's a good guy what I like loved about Lehm always he's so stable when I say stable I mean like you see him after let's say a year he'll be exactly the same like you pick up exactly where we left off from still great friendship there so and yeah same thing I mean I saw Suleiman a couple of weeks ago as well and

Speaker: Surprisingly, he's exactly the same as well.

Speaker: So it's always a fresher breath here to kind of see people.

Speaker: Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker: It's been a long time since I've seen him.

Speaker: He's such a good fella.

Speaker: Big Riyaz.

Speaker: Riyaz is diligent as always and he's working away.

Speaker: He's quiet.

Speaker: You don't know what he's thinking.

Speaker: He's probably plotting something, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's the best part about Riyaz.

Speaker: You've got to watch that.

Speaker: Yeah, you don't know what he's plotting.

Speaker: Yeah, uncertainty.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's a sign of maturity, eh?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I actually... You don't need to talk.

Speaker: A funny thing, I talked about, like, I was talking to my brother about this.

Speaker: I was like, how do you know, like, one of the biggest, like, how do people perceive intelligence?

Speaker: And I found that, which is really weird, that people find, when you look at someone, you go, oh, this person is intelligent.

Speaker: And you normally just assume they're intelligent if they speak less.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And they echo what you say, two things, and you just assume the other person is intelligent.

Speaker: Of course, you have to have some brains to be able to process that in the first place.

Speaker: Yeah, good listeners.

Speaker: But yeah, they don't need to.

Speaker: And there is definitely something to like extrovert, introvert, the personality, the psychology of it.

Speaker: But definitely it seems the ones that, and I guess if you're being told information, you already understand you don't always need to talk.

Speaker: Like, yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Perception is like, I've had people and guys I really respect recently tell me, and I don't mean to say this in an arrogant way, but just tell me that I'm intelligent and I never thought about myself.

Speaker: I never felt intelligent growing up and stuff like that.

Speaker: And so it's really cool.

Speaker: It's actually really interesting, the whole intelligence thing, right?

Speaker: Because it could go both ways.

Speaker: Like someone tells you you're intelligent, you actually start presuming yourself intelligent and you actually become intelligent because you go, I can understand that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then you make some more- But communication is such a cheat code.

Speaker: It's such like a- It is.

Speaker: Yeah, it is.

Speaker: But communication is so multifaceted.

Speaker: I think when people used to say, oh, back in the days, we used to put like communication skills.

Speaker: as key skills, right?

Speaker: What I learned to learn the fact that communication is so in-depth, like the fact for communication truly.

Speaker: It's like adapting yourself to different situations, different models, and, you know, realizing when to tell the truth, when to lie, when to hold information, or when to speak, when not to speak, and, you know, what to say, what not to say.

Speaker: All those things come into play.

Speaker: It's crazy.

Speaker: Yeah, how much faster it is, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Totally.

Speaker: Because I think what everyone assumed was, oh, communication is like, oh, how quickly you can just go chat to someone and get along with them.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: And you find someone like that, you're like, oh, awesome, but not always the case.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's so true.

Speaker: There's a few people that I've met recently that I've noticed that, and I do wonder if it's a spiritual thing that I'm starting to get knowledge of, or if it's just like a practice thing, but...

Speaker: when like a lot of people that are really talkative and like you see it at the gym a lot so it's a lot of it's just pretty black out you know but like they won't let you get past a certain point like you're trying to talk to them and then they're like good here and then you want to get deeper and they just won't let you know it's like come on bro so I don't it's actually not an intelligence thing sometimes it's just like people have walls up and stuff like you just don't know that either like the circumstances of people's life

Speaker: how much that would change and how much you sort of do make an assumption of just maybe one or two interactions with a person, you know what I mean?

Speaker: After a while, you do get to get an idea.

Speaker: The surface dwellers.

Speaker: Yeah, the surface dwellers.

Speaker: They suck up your energy and give you no context of anything.

Speaker: There's definitely those people.

Speaker: I think that's what I like to call them.

Speaker: There's a lot of them.

Speaker: I mean, you're right.

Speaker: A lot of them at the gym.

Speaker: What's interesting is I also call them NPCs.

Speaker: Like that's someone you talk to and you're like, NPCs, like freaking.

Speaker: They're like, this, they just like, you talk to them and you go, man, I just like lost five minutes of my life that I never get.

Speaker: And I have no like context or like no substance to show for my conversation with you.

Speaker: And going back to acting, maybe go in full circle.

Speaker: It's like those actors that just got in movies that they're the fourth or fifth character.

Speaker: Like you just see him and then go, oh God.

Speaker: You're freaking NPC.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You are such an NPC.

Speaker: Get out of it.

Speaker: You see those people everywhere.

Speaker: Only years we're out with the boys.

Speaker: We went to have a barbecue.

Speaker: It's lovely.

Speaker: This lady just came up to her.

Speaker: She's like, that fire is keeping you warm, isn't it?

Speaker: I was like, yep, sure is.

Speaker: She goes, yeah, I was just thinking about the fireworks.

Speaker: They look alright.

Speaker: We're like, yeah.

Speaker: She's like,

Speaker: oh, what are you boys up to?

Speaker: Like, yeah, we're just having a barbecue.

Speaker: And I was thinking about, and then like, and she finished, like she barely finished the cutoff.

Speaker: She's like, once we started saying, oh yeah, like we're just having a barbecue, she's walked off.

Speaker: And I was saying to the boys, I was like, that's an NPC.

Speaker: That's an NPC.

Speaker: Like someone who just showed up, like she ran out of, you know when a game, they ran out of their dialogue, so they just repeat.

Speaker: Welcome, summoner.

Speaker: And then you interact with them again, they're like, they just say the same thing.

Speaker: You can buy things here.

Speaker: You can buy things here.

Speaker: Bro, that's such a God of War thing.

Speaker: I just bought a piece too because I've just been playing a tiny little bit of it just for old time's sake.

Speaker: And I love it because the games suck.

Speaker: Even though they're really good, they suck.

Speaker: So you don't spend that long on them.

Speaker: But, bro, that was the old ways.

Speaker: You'd get glitches that would just become the game.

Speaker: And, yeah, it's different.

Speaker: Blaine, the games that are too clean, they're awesome, but they lose like, I don't

Speaker: know i don't know what it is there's something about nostalgia too you know i just i guess over the christmas break i was playing gta uh gta sandrains yeah and i finished that game and i was like man this game was goated as hell like it's so good for its time and it's so good and it's like they don't make games like that i don't actually like gta 5 as much as i like that game

Speaker: Yeah, I love the interplay with the three characters.

Speaker: That's probably why GTA V became my favourite, but I didn't love it for any other reason.

Speaker: I just loved being able to switch between players.

Speaker: I felt like that won it for me.

Speaker: Something about that was so cool.

Speaker: And then you could, once you started to, some of the side missions where you would earn a bit of money, you would have...

Speaker: you could put money into the stock market and then increase your wealth and then you could buy the golf course and stuff like that.

Speaker: When I started figuring that out, I'm like, oh, this is a pretty epic game.

Speaker: Those side missions where you would kill people and then you'd put money into the stock.

Speaker: I'm like, that's freaking hilarious.

Speaker: That's what I was saying to my brother.

Speaker: I was like, man, GT, when we were young, if we paid attention to what was happening, we'd make a lot of money by now.

Speaker: Teachers are epic money.

Speaker: first of all yeah go kill some people sell some drugs and buy invest in the stock market yeah yeah wash the money wash the money away that's just brilliant so good brother I think it's been a good chat I think we're clocking

Speaker: Yeah, 90 minutes.

Speaker: 1.30 or 90 minutes?

Speaker: Bro, this whole podcast, and I had a feeling we weren't going to need too much of a plan because it was just going to flow well.

Speaker: The first 50 minutes was like one podcast, and I felt like this has been part two, the second hour.

Speaker: It started with talking about the Quran and the Bible, but it also just, I feel like it turned into us just catching up again, which is really cool.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, yeah, that's been awesome.

Speaker: It's good fun.

Speaker: I think it's always, love you too, mate.

Speaker: This is always a good, the first comeback episode is always good before we run out of ideas thing to talk about.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Might have showed up, might have came too early and spoke about everything we had to talk about.

Speaker: Nah, that's it, eh?

Speaker: We can, I think, you know, we have that structure early, I guess, to help start

Speaker: You know, sometimes you start, but I feel like getting off to a structured start helps it and then you could bullshit at the end.

Speaker: Whereas if you try to, if you bullshit too much too early, you just lose.

Speaker: There's no flow there because we're not on the same wavelength, right?

Speaker: So I think that's our secret is the structure early, even if we have to force it out a bit.

Speaker: it just allows us to start thinking deep about one thing.

Speaker: And then as soon as we open up that, then we're good to go.

Speaker: Because now I feel like we could do another hour, but like we won't, but I feel like, yeah, I feel like it's just getting past that sticking point initially.

Speaker: Well, that's it.

Speaker: That's it.

Speaker: Well, thanks for your time.

Speaker: It's been a wonderful episode.

Speaker: I'll let you say the final remarks.

Speaker: Yeah, it has been.

Speaker: That's been an absolute blast.

Speaker: Number 35, did you say, mate?

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: How good.

Speaker: But yeah, this feels like a fresh start.

Speaker: And I can't wait to get into more things and continue a great conversation.

Speaker: If you've still been listening, well done.

Speaker: Let us know what you thought.

Speaker: We'll get this posted very soon, no doubt, and look for the next one very soon.

Speaker: Love you, guys.

Speaker: Love you, buddy.

Speaker: Thanks, mate.

Speaker: Love you too.

Speaker: Catch you, guys.

Speaker: Bye.