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Bring Your Own....Smutty Fave | S1Ep7
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This week we discuss our favorite smutty romance books! Brandi gushes over Give Me More by Sara Cate, Kendra is on her knees for Play With Me by Becka Mack, and Kayla turns bright red reading a scene from Heartless by Elsie Silver. We also go in-depth about our personal smut preferences, how we started reading spicy romances, and more!
Things get very NSFW very fast so we recommend listening with your earphones for this one!
Spoiler-filled discussion time-stamps:
Give Me More - 18:18
Play With Me - 42:04
Heartless - 58:00
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Bring Your Own Smutty Fave'
00:00:05
Speaker
Hi, welcome to bring your own and catch all bookish most of the time podcast. I'm Brandy. I'm Kendra. Sorry, I pulled a Kayla. Kayla. Yeah, I was like waiting. And I was like, you accuse me of a long pause. That was just like,
00:00:29
Speaker
Well, because I was trying to figure out, like, I forgot if my headphones were connected, like, right for a second. And I was panicking. I was trying to figure it out. But it's OK. We made it. Today is Bring Your Own Smutty Fave. So it's going to be a wildly inappropriate episode. Can't wait. Kayla already said she's going to be blushing and giggling the whole time. So looking forward to
Current Reads and Drinks Discussion
00:00:52
Speaker
it. But before we dive in, what are you guys reading? What are you drinking?
00:00:56
Speaker
it is afternoon where i live um but i will pretend that it's morning like you guys and say what i had this morning which was a delicious iced chai latte from duncan duncan is hit and miss as we all know i think but today was pretty good i'd rate it like like a seven and a half it's decent it was decent you said delicious and i was like oh my god like did you make it at home and then you said duncan and i was like whoa it was pretty good for duncan it was good
00:01:22
Speaker
you know, I'll give them their props today. They did mess up my donut order, though. They gave me totally not what I ordered, but it's fine. It's a donut, you know what I mean? And then what I'm reading, I'm not reading anything new right now, actually. I am currently very slowly listening to Georgie Allalong by Kate Claiborne, which is a book that I love. And I just finished yesterday a fantasy novella
00:01:50
Speaker
called Six Scorched Roses by Carissa Broadbent which is a novella in the Crowns of Nyaxia series and the second book in that series comes out later this month so very excited but I'm currently not reading anything new I'm kind of just waiting for a lot of the spring and summer releases because there's so many that I want to read and check out but I'm just like I'm just like chilling right now you know nothing nothing exciting going on over here
00:02:20
Speaker
Sometimes it's necessary to like, not force yourself to read anything. I feel like that's how a hobby turns into a chore. So I'm glad that you're just chilling and rereading. Kendra, what about you? Let's see, I started the last book in the Queen's Cove series by Stephanie Archer. So I'm on
00:02:42
Speaker
What's it called? Finn Rhodes forever. And this one is like second chance. It's she's been building up to this relationship throughout the other three books. So I'm very excited to like finally be in their heads and like figure out like, why they broke up like they were childhood best friends.
00:03:00
Speaker
um and he's like obsessed with her like he's like he starts the book with like my life has like not been the same i need to get her back like it's it's very cute um and then i'm also listening to know my name by schnell miller on audio right now which i have wanted to read this book for a very long time i bought it like almost two years ago but i never cracked it open and then i saw the audiobook was on libby so i was like let me do it and i won't go into like what the book is about it's a memoir and i won't go into what it's about um
00:03:29
Speaker
but it follows Chanel Miller was involved in the Brock Turner case from a few years ago, a sexual assault case. And as I've been reading, it's been very heartbreaking, but it's made me really appreciate the romance genre as a whole, because I'm like, romance authors have created a safe space for women to explore the sexuality that's consensual and just so caring and nurturing.
00:03:56
Speaker
And I don't know, I think I take that for granted a lot of the time. Like we're about to spend a whole episode being very silly and very goofy.
Romance Genre's Significance
00:04:03
Speaker
And I'm like so glad that we can. But it is like very sad that like so many people, like not just women, like don't have that same experience with their sexuality. So it's very heartbreaking, eye-opening read. It's very tough. I don't know when I'm gonna finish it. Well, I have less than 20 days to get through it on Libby. But yeah, it's not for everyone, but it's very,
00:04:23
Speaker
It's just a lot. I like broke down crying listening to it last night. So sorry. It's hard, but it's important. Yeah, it's very, very important. I've heard nothing but like incredible things about how she articulates herself in this book and how it's written. I want to read it. I really do. But like you said, it's like it is. It is. Yeah, it's a lot.
00:04:49
Speaker
say it again like it makes me appreciate romance so so so like we get shit on all the time for reading romance like from our peers or whatever like people who aren't also readers like girls yeah and i'm like this is like incredible like a guaranteed happy ending i get to see people like have fun like get buried down and dirty with one another and it's always safe um and consensual even like and within dark romance kind of dark romance gets a lot of shit
00:05:19
Speaker
Um, a lot of the times, but I'm like, no, I actually very, I don't read a lot of it, but I appreciate the authors who are doing the work. Cause I know it helps a lot of women who like just need to read stuff like that to feel safe, to feel seen. So, sorry, that's like such a downer. No, it's really not. It's like, it is just like, so it's so important. And like you said, like the space has been created by, I think both of the, all three of us read majority.
00:05:45
Speaker
women authors who are very intentional about the spaces that they create and the worlds that they build and stuff. Yeah, I think what you're saying is so true. I finished
00:06:00
Speaker
a reread of the bride test by Helen Wong yesterday. And it's so good. It is so good. I like listen to it on audio and my face the whole time I was just like smiling to myself all day yesterday while I was like doing dishes and working on my book journal and stuff just because I just like
00:06:20
Speaker
The way that she writes Kai and Esme, I'm just like, oh my god. They're so cute. They're so cute and they're so endearing. And like, I don't know, I just, one of my favorite scenes in that book is the first time that they hook up, like when they hook up and it's not good. I don't know why like that just like stuck out to me because I was like, that's so good. He's a merchant. Yeah.
00:06:44
Speaker
No. And he was like, she liked it. It was fine. And Kwan's like, what are you talking about? He's like, I've been perfecting my craft since eighth grade. And I still sometimes don't
Transformative Impact of Romance
00:06:55
Speaker
know. Like, that's what Kwan's like to him. And he was like, oh. The ending of Bright Test is one of my favorite endings ever. God.
00:07:03
Speaker
that's like cinematic yeah seriously oh my god and then um after he has that conversation with Quan and Michael about how he didn't do a good job he like reads a bunch of books all day and then like goes home and he's like please don't let me make you cry again like if i'm doing something wrong will you please tell me like i want and he says the line i need you to feel how i feel right now
00:07:25
Speaker
Yeah, so I, I just love them. They're so sweet. I finished my relist into that yesterday. I'm currently also rereading Flawless by Elsie Silver. And I'm almost done with that one. So good. So fun. So yeah. Oh, and I'm drinking
00:07:46
Speaker
a vanilla or a caramel latte that I made at home. Oh, I didn't say what I was drinking. A vanilla sweet cream cold brew from Starby's. I almost got a matcha because everyone on my Instagram like matcha, matcha, matcha. But then I panicked when I was at like the drive through like you ever get that like for whatever reason I was like no I just need to like say like my normal thing because it's just the easiest thing and then that's what I ended up with so. Amazing.
00:08:17
Speaker
Yay. Yay.
First Encounters with Smut
00:08:19
Speaker
Let's dive in. But before we go into our individual selections, I know we had just like we want to just talk about like spice in books in general. So what are you guys's experience with with spice in books? Like did you dive straight in when you started reading romance? Like how like what needs to be there in order for you to be having a good time? That kind of stuff.
00:08:46
Speaker
I started reading Smut in middle school. It was with fanfiction. Fanfiction was my introduction to Smut. I didn't even know this was a thing until I became very obsessed with the show Victorious. And I was like, I don't know.
00:09:01
Speaker
Yeah, it was my favorite show. I was really into the fandom. So I would go on YouTube to look up cast videos and cast interviews. And at that time, and I don't know if people still do this, people would write fan fictions on YouTube and put it in the comments. So I would look at videos of Jade and Beck photos, but then in the
00:09:25
Speaker
description or comments, it'd be like a whole fanfiction. And then this one girl was like, Oh, if you want to read more, I'm going to be transferring it to fanfiction.net. And once I discovered fanfiction.net, it was game over. Like I started reading so like, I would read like just wildly inappropriate things. I was a big fanfiction.net girlie for sure. Yeah. Would you read a lot of smut? Okay, now like, yeah. I was
00:09:54
Speaker
big into like Disney fan fiction and I would read a lot of, they were called one shots, which you know were just the single stories. I was into the one shots. I wasn't like, I didn't really care about reading like a big massive story like the way I had to wait a long time.
00:10:12
Speaker
I would read the one shots. That's what I would read. I was like, let's just get down to business. I should have known I liked girls a lot earlier because I would be like, you could like set categories and I'd be like Jade and Tori.
00:10:30
Speaker
And I would just like read all of it. So then I would read a lot of fanfiction and I would, you know, switch fandoms as I grew up. But in like books, in the format that we read now, that didn't start until Jesus, like
00:10:48
Speaker
college maybe my first rom-com that had like smut but it was closed door fade the black was um the wedding date by jasmine gillory like i you like you know they were having sex but like the language was very like i don't know if flowery's the right word it was very like we're gonna talk around it but like abstract almost yeah yeah abstract um but i don't think it was until i joined like book talk really where i started like read a lot of like smutty things um yeah
00:11:18
Speaker
And then once you get Kendall unlimited, it's, it's game over. Like I think my first like published book that I read that had smut in it was definitely not that I'm like really thinking back was breaking dawn. It was, it was, it wasn't really like smut smut. It wasn't like what we know today is or what we consider smut, but it was very, like, you knew it was happening. They literally talk about.
00:11:41
Speaker
breaking the bed. You know, they literally break the bed. And I was I was young when I read that. I think I remember that in the fifth grade. I don't remember when that came out. I maybe 2009 2010. So I would have been there. We were in middle school in your 15th. Yeah, I was like, don't let my mom see what I'm reading. That was like my first like real memory that I can think of, like reading a physical book with
00:12:11
Speaker
But if it's YA, do we feel comfortable calling it smite? Or should we just say that's a sad scene? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:21
Speaker
I never really read any, I didn't go through a fan fiction phase or anything like that. And a lot of the stuff that I was reading when I was really into reading in middle school and early high school before I fell off of reading, it was a lot of dystopian fantasy or sci-fi. I love Twilight, but I was reading a lot of horror fantasy sci-fi around that time. There wasn't a whole lot of romance. But then when I got back into reading over the pandemic,
00:12:48
Speaker
I like, I remember I read like three books and then I saw somebody recommend A Touch of Darkness by Scarlett St. Clair and I listened to it on audio and I was like, oh! I was like, oh!
Defining Smut and Spice Levels
00:13:00
Speaker
Yeah, so that was kind of like my first, and I would call that like smut, like there was like chapters and pages of it. And then, yeah.
00:13:12
Speaker
fascist. And now we're here. I think the difference between like categorizing something as like a sex scene versus categorizing as a smut scene is like sex is like you're just watching them like do the act where like smut is like smut has a purpose for the reader I feel like it's meant to like make you feel a certain type of way um so I think that's how I would measure it. That's a really good classification. Yeah that's a good point yeah like I think a good one is like Emily Henry like beach read like that wasn't I don't that wasn't meant to like
00:13:41
Speaker
turn us on or do anything it was just like look at them being intimate with one another yeah agreed yeah definitely i think a lot of romance books would fall under like the sex scene category versus like smut but today we are talking smut um so do you guys
00:14:01
Speaker
Do you guys rate your spice at all? Do you have a measurement? I mean, not formally. In a review or something, I'm not putting one or two chili peppers. I'm not doing that. But if somebody asks me, then I might say something. You know what I mean? If they just ask me, what would you rate the spice in this book, then I would give them my rating.
00:14:28
Speaker
if like some people don't even rate it for any spice if it's closed door or some some people do some people like give it a half a point you know what i mean and so i think for me what it comes down to is the language that's used i think is like because some some authors kind of skirt you know some words but you know what's happening some authors just like
00:14:54
Speaker
lay it all out there so that comes down to that and then obviously like the length and then how often it occurs obviously that's how I measure it. Yeah for me it's language used frequency within the book and like the length of the scenes is how I like classify it for myself.
00:15:20
Speaker
But yeah, for like the spectrum, like I still give one, if they're having sex in the book, I'm giving it one chili pepper, like in my head just because I'm like, there's sex in this book, like there's one. And then the opposite end of the spectrum, if it's like, if it's an erotica book, where they are fucking all the time, for a very long time throughout the whole book, that's what I'm giving it five.
00:15:45
Speaker
And honestly, usually to give it five for me, I have to be like, Oh, like it's stuff I haven't seen before. For me personally. Four is kind of where like a lot of like really somebody stuff I read will fall. Five is like, I'm clutching my pearls and fives. I'm trying to think if I've ever really read like a, a true five in my book. I don't know that I have. I rated the game or like five. Okay. Yeah. I haven't read that one. So I probably will. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:13
Speaker
I like don't rate I used to like I when I first joined tiktok I think if you like go back to like some of my earlier videos like I would put like a chili pepper everything just because I to be honest it's because I saw a lot of other people doing it so like that's how like people wanted to know like how yeah is this book but like as I like have grown in that space like I realized that like what I deem as like spicy is like either too much for some people or like too little
00:16:41
Speaker
which is like that's why i don't like to rate it like um it just i don't know i'll spend too much time because i'll it can be like one singular scene right but it could be the hottest thing ever and i'm like guys that was hot like i like that book is hot and then but because people like you know it depends on the frequency the length people like kinder like that's like that's one chili pepper like what are you talking about but i'm like guys like he ate her ass like what are you talking about like that's so hot um
00:17:07
Speaker
and I'm like no like it wasn't an episode like people I respect people who like do have a very like strategic system um I just find that to be very uh draining yeah contraining limiting for me um if it's only one scene in the whole book and that's what he did that is
00:17:29
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely don't put it on like reviews or anything like that. But I feel like it's really easy for me. Like I've never had somebody be like, what would you rate this spicy wise and been like, I don't know. Like I always know for myself what it feels like. Yeah, it's always funny when like I'll review like a normal rom com
00:17:50
Speaker
like nine times out of 10, I'll get a comment. Is there a price in this? Like how's my season? And I'm like, I don't know. It's so like, I don't know. It's funny. I look like we're just all horny women on the internet. We want to know. So as I mentioned at the beginning of
Introduction to Favorite Smutty Books
00:18:08
Speaker
our intro, we all brought our own smutty faves today. Who wants to go first?
00:18:16
Speaker
Brandi, you can go. Yeah, you can go. Okay, bet. Yours is going to be like, you said this is fine. I'm very excited. Yeah. I'm obsessed with this book, which is like so ridiculous for me to say because I think I rated it 3.5 stars. This price is so good. I will say I have never un-downloaded this for my Kindle since I read it for the first time in July of last year.
00:18:45
Speaker
It's Give Me More by Sarah Kate, which is the third book in the Salacious Players Club series. It's a KU romance and it's great. So I'll just give like a very quick overview of the plot and then I'm gonna like break down some of the reasons that this is what comes to my head when anybody asks me my sweaty face.
00:19:07
Speaker
The whole Salacious Players series is about a group of people who like joint, like I think there's four co-owners of a sex club and all of them get their own story. Yeah. And I feel like the one that I see most talked about is praise. It's
Brandy's Smutty Favorite: 'Give Me More'
00:19:25
Speaker
the first one. It's like a boyfriend's
00:19:26
Speaker
ex-boyfriend's dad, age gap, like Dom, something. But Gimme More was the first one that I read. So Hunter, who is like part owner of the sex club, he and his wife, who they've been together for a really long time, they're like very in love and very happy. They're taking a road trip with Hunter's best friend, lifelong best friend Drake, and they're going around and stopping at a bunch of different sex clubs around the country to like build connections and like potentially work on like deals and whatever.
00:19:56
Speaker
And on the road trip, Hunter was like, turned to Drake and he's like, you know, like you should fuck my wife and I should watch. So that's kind of like how it started.
00:20:10
Speaker
Very casual conversation. He like, and that was like, it was funny too. Like Sarah Kate's funny. So Drake is like this huge playboy. He's openly bisexual and he's always been a little bit in love with Hunter. But he knows that Hunter's straight and buried and it's never really been like...
00:20:28
Speaker
actively pursuing him. But Drake is like really, really uncomfortable with the idea because he's like, I'm not ruining our friendship. Well, he's not uncomfortable because he's like kind of turned on by it. But he's like, I'm not gonna ruin our friendship and I'm not gonna fuck your wife. Whatever. Anyways, Hunter's like talking to them. He's like, I just think it'd be really fun if you guys fucked and I watched.
00:20:49
Speaker
And then, yeah, I want to talk about every single scene, but we would be here just all day. So I'm just gonna try and hit the important ones. So the one where he like asked him, he's like, okay, maybe you guys should just like make out. They went to a club and he's like, what if you guys just like made out and like see how it felt? And so like they made out and like a really turned hunter on he's like, yep, this is I definitely want this and like Isabelle and
00:21:13
Speaker
Drake had a fun time making out so they went to the hotel room and of course there's only one bed. There's one king size bed. So they're all cuddling in there.
00:21:23
Speaker
In Chapter 12, my face is getting red. This is such an iconic line. Major spoiler warning, I guess, for this episode that we did not include at the beginning. Oh yeah, I'm breaking this down right now. So in Chapter 12, there's this really iconic line that Sarah Kate shares all the time on her socials.
00:21:44
Speaker
where hunter is like you should taste her you wouldn't believe how good she tasted drake like shut up um and then so he goes down on isabelle drake goes down on isabelle hunter just like laying in bed watching it happen and then afterward drake goes to the bathroom and hunter's like turns to isabelle he's like you should make sure you cuddle him
00:22:05
Speaker
when he comes back just so he knows he really care. Which is like kind of like building the foundation of this turns into a throuble. So then chapter 15 and 16 is the first time that Drake and Isabelle actually have sex and Hunter's like calling all the shots. He's like sitting in a chair in the corner. This isn't my favorite scene because like my favorites in this book were when all of them were equally participating. And this one Hunter is like just watching.
00:22:36
Speaker
Um, so he's like sitting in the corner and like telling them what to do and like telling them how fast to do it. And it's like, it is very hot. Uh, and it's like building all this tension between the three of them.
00:22:48
Speaker
I will say, I've not read this book, right? And I will say, like you said in the beginning, that you want to hit every single scene, but we would be here all day. But like, I'm looking at the scenes that you have outlined. And I'm like, this isn't every scene. No. That's what I was saying. That's a good thing. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
00:23:10
Speaker
So that's, it's so fun. I read it in one sitting, it was over the summer, which I don't work in the summers. So I was, I started at 9pm one night and stayed up until 4am. And I just finished it. I like in one sitting on my Kindle, I was like this, it was like this close to my face, like a centimeter from my face and I was reading it one sitting. And then afterwards, like
00:23:34
Speaker
Drake kind of freaks out because he's like, what am I like just like a tool in their marriage to basically like get them off? He was feeling like a little bit used and like sad about it, you know? Maybe used is the wrong word, but he was like a little bit bummed because he has feelings for both of them kind of at this point. But in chapter 19 and 20, this is the first time that hunters like a part of things and they go to Paris.
00:23:56
Speaker
Oh, Paris. I love Paris. It's so beautiful this time of year. Are you happy to be in Paris? Yeah, for those who don't know, Paris is, uh, it's a double iteration. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, some people, they don't know. I find out a new term I feel like every two months. I'm like, Oh, that's what that means. I've definitely learned things from some books that I've read for sure. Oh, I think we've all learned things. Yeah.
00:24:26
Speaker
I learned a lot about myself for sure. But yeah, so in this one that like, Drake, I'm so sorry, mom, stop listening if you are listening to this episode. But Drake is like hitting her from the back. And then she's like begging to suck Hunter off. And he's like, are you sure? And she's like, yes, yes, yes. So then that was happening at the same time. And then
00:24:51
Speaker
Hunter just like sits down and he's like letting them just kind of get it. But then Drake picks Isabel up and takes her and puts her in Hunter's lap, but like facing out. So like his back is to her chest, you know? Do you guys know what I'm talking about? I'm painting you a picture here. And then, so like Drake is in between both sets of their legs.
00:25:10
Speaker
have sex with Isabelle, but in Drake's head he's like, kind of feels like I'm having sex with Hunter right now because he's like, he and Hunter are like looking into each other's eyes. And he like was like trying to look away from Isabelle because he's like starting to develop feelings for her because they've been like fucking or whatever. And he like, they're all best friends and everything. But then he ends up like walking eyes with Hunter and then he like puts his hand on Hunter's thigh.
00:25:33
Speaker
Yeah, the sexual feelings for Drake, or sorry, then Hunter starts to realize that he's having sexual feelings for Drake and they have like a kiss afterwards, like later that night. But Hunter grew up with like a homophobic piece of shit dad. So he's like battling a lot of these things that he was told his entire childhood about like,
00:25:52
Speaker
you know, just like battling his internalized homophobia that he got from his father. So he's battling his dad's voice in his head and he's always kind of known that he was also bi, but he's just like shoved these feelings down. But yeah, so like that kind of leads to this one scene where they're at a different club and Hunter lets Drake suck his dick.
00:26:15
Speaker
um because Drake is like very excited but then Hunter freaks out because he likes it so much and he runs away and it like really hurts Drake's feelings obviously and so there's even more tension and they're all kind of or like Drake and Hunter kind of fighting when they make their last stop in Vegas and this is my favorite scene in the whole book it's chapter 25 and they're in Vegas
00:26:37
Speaker
And I just feel like I'm really oversharing. You guys are learning way too much about me. But this is like my favorite scene in the whole book. And I have such a vivid memory of when we were in Vegas, for Love in Vegas, the book convention, I was very embarrassingly drunk.
00:26:54
Speaker
Yeah, the first night that we were there. And Logan was doing like these little interviews with her little mini microphone, like asking people questions. And she asked me what the like smartest book I read all year was. And I was like screaming in this restaurant. I was like, the double penetration scene and give me more. And I don't think she did anything with those recordings. I really hope she deleted that. But it's so embarrassing to think about. But anyways, yeah, it's just like a great scene. It lasts like three chapters.
00:27:24
Speaker
um is that what you would call like like you know there are lots of acronyms within smut this would be mmf right yeah this is mmf okay and if the two m's are together that means the guys are touching are also yeah okay and then if it's mfm that means just just okay yeah yeah i'm pretty sure yeah so like sully's books would be mfm yeah sully from the like us series
00:27:52
Speaker
Yes. So this one's MMF. Yeah, there's a lot of tension. They finally get home and Drake is like staying with them because his house is like being remodeled or something. Um, so there's another scene. There's even more double penetration. There's this one scene in the kitchen where they're like, both. Kendra texted me when she read this scene. And she's like, okay, explain the logistics for this. Because this disclaimer on my end,
00:28:19
Speaker
Um, give me more is also on my Kindle. Okay. Um, there are lots of books. There are a lot. Listen, there are lots of smutty books that I see my mutuals reading. And I'm like, I'm never gonna read that. But like, I'll read it. So I'll download it to my Kindle. You know, I have trouble sleeping sometimes. Do a keyword search. Do a keyword search. And then like, I find what I need
00:28:47
Speaker
to have and it works and I keep going. But with Gimme More, yeah, I got to the scene and I was like, what's going on? What's going on? It was still working, but I was very confused. Yeah. The reason that she was confused is because both dicks were in one location and
00:29:16
Speaker
You have to talk like a romance reader. They're not dicks, Brandy. They're cocks. They're cocks. I'm so sorry. And no lube. That's the confusing part to me. That was the confusing part to me. It's like, I was shook. And then I kept going. So I've read Gimme More, the smut scenes. So Brandy's telling all these scenes. I'm like, yep, I remember that one. But then she'll say something about the plot. And I'm like, wait, what?
00:29:43
Speaker
What do you mean he had a homophobic father? I wasn't reading. And see, for me, I have to read the plot of a book to enjoy this nut. I don't know why, but I can't just jump in and keyword search.
00:30:02
Speaker
Yeah, I'm kind of the same, especially like if there's something that's going on during that specific scene where they're like thinking back to something or they say something and I like want to know the context for why they're saying that or thinking that, you know what I mean? Yeah, because I feel like especially in romance books, like the smut scenes, even for like hardcore smut scenes, it's never just like
00:30:24
Speaker
act, act, act, position, position, position. They're having thoughts and feelings during it for the majority of the books that I've read. So I'm like, what? Kendra's like, can't relate. Because listen, I put them into categories. You have plot with porn, which I think is what a lot of us lean towards. And then we have porn without plot. Some of these books, the plot is so irrelevant. It's just there to take up space. The author is literally writing this just so you can get off. So a lot of these books I treat
00:30:53
Speaker
as one hand it reads you guys like that's the purpose of them. That's like what they're for. So like, I don't need to always like connect with a character. But here's the thing, right? These things will live in my Kindle for forever. And I'll go back and I'll read the scene so much for like, I'll end up picking up on like, stuff that I miss, you know, the first time I read it, and then the second time and then the third time but yeah, some of these books, they're just not meant to have a plot. And then I hate the book. I mean, I don't want to shit on things. But like,
00:31:20
Speaker
There are some books that are classified as plot with porn when they shouldn't be. Sometimes they really should have just been porn without plot. Because when you do read the plot, you're like, this is the most atrocious thing. Yeah, what's happening? Sorry. That was me with the Wicked Villains series by Katie Robert. I am having a great time with the, what's her newest series, Dark Olympus. I'm having fun with those. Those are fun. But I tried to go back and read Wicked Villains. And I was like, what the fuck is happening?
00:31:49
Speaker
I was like, I don't care. I'm just here for the smut, like, just get to fucking, like, why are we doing anything else? Yeah, so Kendra texted me and was like, what is happening in this scene? And I was like, yeah, they're both, they're both fucking at the same time with no lube.
00:32:07
Speaker
Anyways, that happens. Then a couple chapters later, Drake and Hunter finally have their first time alone. They come home and they were gonna wake Isabel up. She pretended that she was sleeping because she wanted them to have this moment together. And so they do, and they have a great time.
00:32:24
Speaker
But then Hunter decides that he has to work his own shit out to be who both of them need and deserve. He needs to take a step away from them to work through his own internalized homophobia from his father. So he leaves for two months, which I hated as far as the plot went. I was like, why? What? It made me sad. So he works through his own shit.
00:32:47
Speaker
Dustin therapy, I think, and then comes back. And then they like, they decide that they're gonna be together as a throuple. They're gonna be together all three of them. And then chapter 40, another fave scene for me is resolution fucking. And I think this is one of my favorite scenes because they're like, there's no like guilt around it.
00:33:11
Speaker
Um, because somebody was always kind of fucking up in the previous ones. Like at first, like Drake was feeling guilty for fucking Hunter's wife. And then Hunter was feeling guilty because he knew that everybody was like picking up on his own shit. And he felt bad that everybody's having to deal with his shit and whatever. And like Isabelle felt bad for having to deal with his shit. Whatever. This one was like, they had all decided that they were going to be a Thrupple. They were going to be together. Everybody was happy. And they just got to have sex and have fun. Yeah.
00:33:38
Speaker
why like why does this one stand out like so much to you especially because you were saying like you need to like have a connection
00:33:46
Speaker
with like the characters and what's going on to like really enjoy the smut so like did you like relate a lot like not even like in terms of sexually but like why this one out of all the other smutty books you read or was it just because like the hotness um it was just like so hot when i read it for the first i think i like really can't remember entirely but i think this was my first book with three people okay ever so i think i was just like whoa
00:34:16
Speaker
Um, yeah. Right. Well, with like the whole plot, like I had read three, some scenes before, but this one, it was like the whole book and I was like, damn. Um, but also like, and I know some people who are like,
00:34:31
Speaker
really really at home with their sexuality sometimes really don't like reading people who are still like trying to figure it out because it's like it feels like I've seen some of my mutual say like I don't like reading this stuff because it makes me feel like I'm taking a step backwards when like they feel so secure and that's fair yeah yeah absolutely um
00:34:49
Speaker
But like for me, I just I don't know I still like reading because like I'm bisexual so I like I like reading about like people like figuring out who they are and like learning to let themselves and stuff like that like it was never
00:35:02
Speaker
The, for me, it wasn't as severe as like having homophobic parents. Like I definitely don't have homophobic parents, but like, just like, I don't know, Hunter, I liked Hunter's story. A lot of people get really frustrated with Hunter in this book because they're like, you're obviously in love with Drake. Like, why aren't you just letting yourself? But I liked his journey in this one. So I think like that the plot line in this one really endeared me to the three of them even more.
00:35:24
Speaker
I was really invested in Hunter and Drake being in love, like way more than Isabelle being a part of it. I wouldn't have even cared if she was there. Like, I don't know, just like two best friends realizing that they're both in love with each other. I thought it was very endearing. I'm telling you, Brandy, since you like reading about characters figuring out their sexuality and stuff, I think you would really like that summer feeling when it comes out. Because I felt very seen. Because it was like a gay awakening. It was like, and I'm like, wow, that's so...
00:35:53
Speaker
feels great. Because you and I have talked a lot about our own sexuality and coming to terms with it. So it is nice to have characters go through the exact same thing or similar things.
00:36:02
Speaker
And you got to see them fuck, which is like the cherry on top. And I think just like the added part of like, I feel like a lot of sexuality awakening books, a lot of them are YA, which is so important that like, like young people have access to things like that so that they can like see themselves and feel seen and feel loved in books and absolutely.
Kendra's Smutty Favorite: 'Play With Me'
00:36:21
Speaker
But like, I didn't realize I was bisexual until I was an adult.
00:36:24
Speaker
So like I yeah so I think just like seeing adults kind of navigate through this especially like an adult in a relationship already and yeah straight facing relationship was really really interesting to me and something I hadn't read before obviously because you don't read a lot of
00:36:38
Speaker
There's not a lot of Thrupple books out there as compared to others. I wish that there were more with, with Thrupples, I wish that there were more with, like, women. This is what I'm saying. You should, if you saw me being thirsty in Sarah Kate's live last week, no, you didn't. But also, I was in her lives and I was like, Sarah, are you writing in any FFM? Are you writing any FFM? Please, please, please. Are you writing any FFM? And she said, she is. So, well, Ashley said, maybe.
00:37:05
Speaker
talk about it maybe so that makes me think she is like there are just like so many mm books and it's like that's fantastic but i i'm for the girls i want more girls i talked with this so much for people katie robert has this um like your dad will do series which is a very good example of porn without plot like the plots in those books are just so irrelevant like anyways but she had promised that in that series she was going to do an ffm and it was going to be
00:37:34
Speaker
a runaway bride with her maid of honor and the groom like will come and join them. And then she took it off of her schedule. And now she's writing fucking whatever she's writing now, the darker lip notes. Yeah. And I'm like, no, Katie, like Feliz. I was like, she had the cover for it and everything. And then I don't know where it is. Damn. If you're listening, Katie Robert. We're sorry for saying your plots are relevant.
00:38:05
Speaker
I have read so, I have read, half read so many Katie Robert books because her smudge. She's talented. Oh, good. Like it's so fun. I remember her sneeze on my Kindle. Wicked Beauty was my first NNF book, I think.
00:38:20
Speaker
i i literally had to i got the audio arc for wicked beauty and i was listening to it on my drive home from work and there was one chapter well actually it's like three chapters in a row i literally had to like pause it because i was like i'm gonna get into a fucking car accident right now because i was just like gaping i was like what my mouth was hanging on the floor it was really good it was a very good book like you know if i counted all the books that i skimmed
00:38:47
Speaker
as one-handed reads with my reading goal guys I would know dead ass like I would be like so far
00:38:57
Speaker
But anyways, I'm so sorry. You guys don't even have to read Give Me More now because I just talked about it for like a million years. The other night, Daniel was like playing his video games. I was on the couch and I was like, do you want me to explain? I think it was when I was preparing for this episode. I was like, do you want me to explain the entire plot of Give Me More? And he was like, sure. So I just sat and I told him every single thing.
00:39:21
Speaker
But yeah, that is definitely my smutty fave. When people ask me my favorite smutty book, that is definitely the one that I think of. Love. Do you have a least favorite smutty book? Oh, I'm so sorry. I DNF'd Priceless earlier this year. It's okay. Cut it.
00:39:44
Speaker
How that because like, you know, because we'll be here all day. That I don't that's totally fair. That is totally, totally fair. She's self conscious for it. Patrick said that stuff to me, I'd cry. If Patrick said that shit to me, I would really like say it again, like spit on me time to like he's so oh my gosh, but
00:40:07
Speaker
yeah is there i think i like i love talking about this stuff obviously is there a scene in books that you love to read like if this book has this certain scene you're like yep love it yeah like specifically related to like smart stuff right yeah i love reading about anal same i don't even know why literally all i have to do to sell any like either of these two on a book
00:40:35
Speaker
Cause if there's an anal scene, I'll be like, all right. And they're like, all right, perfect. If it's anal and breeding kink, I'll be there. Oh my God. I'm always blessed too. When there's like both, I'm like, ooh, it's like Christmas. So nice. What about you, Kayla? Is there like one thing? Um, this is safe space. I don't know. I know. Well, I mean, I think there's a reason I really gravitate towards Connor Cobalt.
00:41:04
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's that's it for me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, like we don't. That's so true. Because like, when we do read a lot of 20 books together, Kayla, I think you always point out the scenes when guys are like, Oh, like when they're taking control, like those will be like, Oh, my god, like he like bust her around a little bit. And I'm like, Yeah, that's what
00:41:32
Speaker
One time I remember when I was talking about the book that I'll talk about later, I texted Kayla while I was reading it and I was like, Oh my God, Kayla, there's a scene in this that like, you'll love. And it was a smut scene. And I'm like, that's how like, you know, like we're really good friends because like, I know this. No, exactly. Like we know exactly which scenes
00:41:56
Speaker
Well, speaking of the book that you brought, Kendra, you want to go ahead and go into yours? Yes, so I brought Play With Me by Becca Mack, which is the second book in her Playing for Keep series. It is a smutty, brother's best friend, hockey romance between a hockey player named Garrett and he gets involved
00:42:21
Speaker
with his teammate's little sister named Jenny and they go from like acquaintances like they knew each other and then she like moves into his building and then they become friends and then they kind of like strike up this deal where they like want to just like fool around because they're both very attracted to one another they acknowledge it and then it's just them like fooling around and you see them go from
00:42:51
Speaker
friends to lovers like this is play with me is arguably one of the best friends to lovers. Agreed. Stories I've ever read. I think it's like, well, do you think it's like friends and friends with benefits? Yeah, it's yeah, the friends with benefits is in there. And why I love this, like why I chose this as like, my smutty fave is because it has my favorite type of like smut to read outside of
00:43:20
Speaker
my little one-handed favorites, because the smut evolves with their relationship. Yeah. Which I love. That is so beautiful. Yeah, you're so right. Right? Because in a lot of smutty books that do have elaborate plots like this one, sometimes the smut can be very repetitive
00:43:46
Speaker
like from the start it's like just like the most like intimate thing like which like sometimes it's fine but I like seeing um I like seeing growth right so in this book uh Ginny hasn't had the best sexual history like her first time was a disaster for her she was actually like wrongfully humiliated in the process of her first time so she has like made a vow to herself
00:44:14
Speaker
to not have penetration anymore because it was just such a traumatic experience, but she loves sex toys. She is very proud of her sex toy collection too. She loves getting herself off. She's never felt shame around that.
00:44:29
Speaker
So a lot of the smut in play with me is actually just like mutual masturbation, or non penetrative. But you see, you see that grow throughout and I think Beccamack did such a good job of like, each time something happened outside of the bedroom that elevated their relationship, something would happen inside the bedroom that would also elevate the relationship at the same rate. And I thought that was so good.
00:44:51
Speaker
by the time that they do have penetrative sex in this book, it's so emotional and like beautiful. And it's not even like the hottest scene in the book. It's just, it's, it's just such a sweet moment between them because they, you just spent like, it's a long book too. You just spent like damn near 300, 400 pages with them.
00:45:11
Speaker
earning each other's trust and being there for one another. And by the time that like they do have sex, like it's just so nice. I think the, for me, like you said, it's not the hottest thing in the book. But like, if you're just taking it on its own, right? But I think it the build up for it makes it super hot. And do you know, and so I think that's why it was like, because you're waiting for it, like the whole book, even though the rest like that happens in between is like really good. When it finally does happen, you're like,
00:45:41
Speaker
Yeah. I'm like tying back to what you were talking about even before we started talking about our funny faves, Kendra. Like at the beginning of the episode when you were saying like, romance has created this like place that is like so safe and consensual. Like there is zero times in this book where Garrett is upset about not being able to have the sex with Jenny. No, he's very, um,
00:46:06
Speaker
he in fact I think like encourages her to like take her time. He still has fun with it right like the book is called play with me for a reason like he always say things like oh just wait until it's like wait until it's my cock inside of you like it's so it's so great them together but for anyone who like hasn't read play with me I truly think you're missing out it's a great sports romance it's a great
00:46:31
Speaker
friends to lovers romance. I don't know what Becca Mack was like on because like I read consider me it's the same thing that just happened with like the mile high and the right move like the first book I was like this is cute and then the second book I was like whoa she's like not playing around and a reason why I do really like this book as well in terms of the smut and also a reason why I ended up really liking priceless is because the smut came early and then it stayed consistent. I don't and there was still like a plot
00:47:00
Speaker
within all of it like because sometimes when you get plot heavy smutty books like the smut will be like a little sporadic um but this one was like no they were fucking from like chapter i don't know it's like chapter five is when they first hook up
00:47:18
Speaker
And it's just so like, and then they just keep going and each scene got a little better and a little better and a little better. And it was just so good. I don't think you have to wait. I really don't think you have to wait like more, except for maybe like if there's, you know, conflict in the third act. I think up until then, you probably don't have to wait more than like what? Four or five chapters? Yeah. It's like she stays soaked. And like the fact that she like differentiated each scene, I don't know how she did it because it could have easily become really
00:47:46
Speaker
repetitive but it didn't but so with jenny in chapter well is it chapter five that she does it chapter five is the first time she gets off by herself yeah she gets off by herself which i love me a masturbation scene in books i think i love it on both ends too i love seeing guys do it i love seeing girls do it it's so great um but she says the thing where she's like i remind myself i could fuck me better than any guy could and i was like
00:48:09
Speaker
Honestly, same, like same. She's so good. This book is a little silly goofy with like how they talk about. With how they talk about. Becca stop naming dicks college, 2023. She names dicks, like Ginny refers to her dildo as Indiana Bones. And then she also refers to like her vagina as like Disneyland.
00:48:36
Speaker
And like, out of like out of context, it sounds so corny. But like, as I was reading, I was like, Yeah, girl, like he's not like it was just I got very used to it very fast. Oh, okay. It's chapter nine is the first time they hook up. And then Garrett gets Jimmy off with his fingers and his mouth and like he's so obsessed with it. Like I love a man who is like, again,
00:49:00
Speaker
he doesn't have to like be inside you to like have a great time. Like he was so into it. Oh, it was great. It was so good. Oh my God. And then in chapter 12,
00:49:15
Speaker
Garrett, one thing I love about Garrett, because we already mentioned this earlier, like he's so reassuring of Ginny and like her decision not to have penetrative sex. And in chapter 12, he tells her that he's like, not all sex is special, but some is supposed to be. And when it should have been, I can tell it wasn't. And he goes, I can give her those things, friendship, trust, respect, I'll do it happily. I want whatever pieces of her she's willing to give me.
00:49:39
Speaker
Garrett Anderson. I love him so much. And I love that. I love that he still said like not all sex is special because like half the people I hooked up with like it was just to do it.
00:49:53
Speaker
and get it out the way like it meant nothing um i love that he still acknowledged that and then chapter 14 this is what i texted kayla i was like i think you'll love this he's like on um he's like on a trip with the team because he's a hockey player and they have facetime sex
00:50:11
Speaker
So she's getting herself off via FaceTime and so is he like in his hotel room that he like shares with his with his teammate who's like just currently not there and it's so hot. One thing that one thing that I caught on to in this book is that Ginny is like always tasting herself which is also like really good like okay because like this might be a little TMI but like growing like growing up when you ever like I would hook up with guys
00:50:40
Speaker
like you have guys who are like just like so shitty they like I don't want to kiss you like you just suck my dick I don't kiss you I don't like they don't want to taste anything I love a man who does not give a fuck like yes if I if I'm gonna put your dick in my mouth you can at least kiss me afterwards like it's still you're like anyways so that my parents don't even know that I'm like doing
00:51:02
Speaker
My mom called me there and she's like, can I listen to your podcast? I was like, sure. I'm gonna be like, skip this one, skip this one. Yeah, they, they fuck on FaceTime and a FaceTime scene is just so good. Like, I don't know, like.
00:51:14
Speaker
it's so nice like wow you're thinking of me when you're like away like you want me so bad like you're gonna call me you're not gonna put on no porn nothing you're gonna use me oh it's so good um and then another scenario down was chapter 16 because garrett also i keep repeating myself but it's just so good like he reassures her so much but he'll like stop like mid-sex
00:51:38
Speaker
and like because let's say like she had like a bad day he'll like stop and like check in on her and like make sure she's okay or like hey like you're beautiful and then he'll like he'll say that something so sweet and then he'll be like now like get on your hands and knees I'm gonna do it and I'm like duality of man but my favorite
00:51:58
Speaker
smut scene and the entire book is chapter 27 and it's called Disneyland versus Indiana Bones. That's my favorite one too. And um Ginny let me describe the setup I'll try to and correct me if I fuck up because you guys are way better at remembering like specifics to scenes than I am um Ginny is in front of Garrett on her dildo and she makes it her mission like she wants to like show him her
00:52:27
Speaker
her getting off on her dildo Indiana bones. But while she's doing that, while she's penetrating herself, she's also giving Garrett a blowjob.
00:52:37
Speaker
And I was, I remember reading this, I was like, hold on, wait, like my, my heart rate was speeding up. I was like, Oh, what? Cause that, whoa. Again, a testament to our friendship and the three of us. Like these two read it before I did. I remember texting you guys while I was reading that. I was like, do I have this right right now? Is this what's happening? It's so good. And so he, um, so she's like,
00:53:02
Speaker
literally like penetrating herself on her Indiana bones, giving him a blow job. He gets so turned on by it. He like flips the script, gets like behind her and like starts moving her on, on the dildo himself. And it's the hottest, like, and again, this is like non penetrative like sex between the two of them.
Kayla's Smutty Favorite: 'Heartless'
00:53:26
Speaker
Like I was like, oh,
00:53:28
Speaker
my like this is like with a toy like this is so so hot it's my favorite fucking scene and in it he goes i hope you know you're beautiful but i'm still going to show you what it feels like to piss me off what what sweet
00:53:45
Speaker
me it's so good um but yeah they like they continue like just getting each other off back and forth throughout the entire book until they actually do have penetrative sex and then from there like that's kind of towards the end towards their like resolution of the book so um i kind of just like sit well knowing that they go on to have this like very beautiful healthy safe sex life there's mention of like a butt plug as well
00:54:11
Speaker
Which I love. Why are you telling us instead of showing us, Becca?
00:54:16
Speaker
That's another thing that pisses me off in smut books when like they'll mention something that I think will be so good. And then we never see it. Jasper Bale, which I love that book. And that is definitely like the most graphic book that Daphne has ever written in my opinion. But there's a conversation where he's like, yeah, Jasper's like, I'm not much of a meet the parents person. And she goes, and I'm not much of an anal person, but I let you put your finger up my ass last night. I'm like, Daphne?
00:54:46
Speaker
Why didn't we see it? Why are you telling me instead of showing me? Like, please, I need to see it. But yeah, that I didn't go too much into like the smut scenes in play with me. Just because again, like it's so consistent. There are so many. They're all so good. Another one that always comes to mind is when they fuck at New Year's.
00:55:07
Speaker
in car, they're like in her brother's house, which is like another thing. Another reason why this book is so hot is because they're trying to like skate around her brother. So it's like, I don't know, forbidden is the right word.
00:55:23
Speaker
I don't really like a lot of brother's best friends, but because oftentimes like somebody's a misogynist and they're just like letting it happen, you know, like either the brother's a misogynist or the best friend is a misogynist. This is like a rare case where I love the brother's best friend. Cause it's just like her brother is really, really protective because he knows that Jenny's gone through shit with men in the past. So like he's just super protective of her and like Garrett doesn't think he deserves her. So it is really sweet the way they sneak around with each other.
00:55:49
Speaker
Yeah, they're just, I thought you were gonna say you didn't like brother's best friend because your own brother's hot. Why would I say that? Why would I call my own brother hot Kendra? I just wanted to bring him up. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I love play with me.
00:56:11
Speaker
Yeah, I think Becca Matthews did a really good job with creating intimacy between the characters. It all felt believable to like the smut in this book, sometimes I'll read books. And I'm like, the smut won't match the characters, you know, like the smut will be like, super hot, or they'll be doing something. And I'm like,
00:56:31
Speaker
But outside of the bedroom, you give no inclination that this is what you would be into or why you would need to move a certain way. I feel like they were just doing it to have a hot scene and rather it actually be beneficial to their characters. But I think Becca Mack does a really good job of making her smut match her characters. I think a really good scene, a really good example. I'm probably going to get shit for this. I don't care. None of y'all read Ice Breaker, right?
00:56:58
Speaker
I think Icebreaker is a really good example, which is crazy because I know Becca Mack and the author of Icebreaker are like best friends, but Icebreaker is a really good example of I think Smut that was like not, that did not match the characters. It was just more so written to like, I'm going to, I want to write the hottest thing ever. Like a quote unquote, like book talk book. Like, you know, like people are always like telling you like their favorite scenarios and scenes on book talks and they're like, I'm going to steal that and write it in my book. Like if I have to read another fucking book where they're like, you can take it.
00:57:28
Speaker
I, cause I just think of TikTok or when I read like, when he's like, I know baby, I know. Cause you remember that viral TikTok of like the French guy and he was like, if you want to have like a good time in bed, like say this to your partner. And I know every fucking author saw that and was like, it's just not cheese. Yeah. Like, but it like, doesn't even like, it'll be like the most random ass thing for them to say like, and then they're quiet the rest of the smut scene. And I'm like, why like, Oh, it's frustrating.
00:57:57
Speaker
um but yeah we saved the most blushy for last literally my cheeks are so red yeah you're already so red Kayla you got this it's just us no it's it's i know that um i i'm just like a very i get red faced at like anything me too anything so anyway okay um mine i picked today is Heartless by Elsie Silver honestly like all of her books
00:58:26
Speaker
have such well-written smut. Even if like the book itself maybe isn't your favorite, I feel like whenever you read an LC book, you're guaranteed good smut. You know what I mean? Heartless is about, and we've talked about this so many times, I feel like on this podcast, this specific book. Heartless follows, it is, it's a fave, follows Willa Grant and Kate Eden.
00:58:50
Speaker
Willa is Cade's new nanny to his son because Cade is a single dad and he needs somebody to be watching Luke while he is working, you know. And so it's, I wouldn't call this one forbidden. It's an age gap. It's the nanny trope, I guess, forced proximity because she lives there with them.
00:59:17
Speaker
Okay so this one has probably the least amount, like the frequency of this one isn't as long as play with me or give me more, but I picked it because
00:59:31
Speaker
when I first read it, like the way that it made me feel, it was pretty good. So this one, nothing happens till chapter 14, where they have this make out session and Kate is like acting like a teenager. So before anything happens, there is so much tension, like so much buildup between these two. And I think that's another thing that for me,
01:00:02
Speaker
when things actually do happen. It's just like that much more rewarding when there is tension. I wouldn't call this a slow burn by any means. It's just that when there is tension, it's just like makes the build up actually better for me. Elsie writes such great tension. Yeah, she does. And like one of the scenes where there is so much tension is where they're in the hot tub together. And uh, Cade is
01:00:29
Speaker
I'm sorry. I love this scene. I forgot about her. Yeah, no, it's really good. Um, cause we've talked about how much we love Willa and she's like one of our big girlfriends, right? And, um, cause Willa is just really hot herself. And obviously Kate has known this for a long time, but when they're in the hot tub together, Kate notices something and he notices that she has nipple piercings and it is so hot. When I, when I tell you when that happened,
01:00:59
Speaker
When I first realized that I was like, huh? Like, I was like, Oh, no, like that changed my, it changed my life. It was, it was very good. And I think I, I think I texted you. Yeah, you were like, I texted you when I first realized that I was like, Oh,
01:01:19
Speaker
Yes, Brandy, go ahead. Oh, I was gonna say another one of my favorite parts of this hot tub scene is like they're playing truth or dare and he dares her to sit on the edge of the hot tub. And like they both know he's doing it because she's like wearing this little bikini and it's like stuffed her and then she gets out and Elsie writes about her like being like up like
01:01:44
Speaker
You know what I love about LC Silver and like a lot of like smutty authors? They write the hottest scenes and then you go to their Instagram and they look like the most sweetest little innocent people on planet earth. I'm like your mind.
01:02:00
Speaker
yeah it's that's a that's a great scene that's what i'm talking about with the tension right that she builds up and i'm thinking of like that specific scene um and then obviously all of the tension comes to a boiling point in chapter 14 um and they like basically like make out against a bunch of hay bales while they're playing hide and seek with luke luke is probably just hiding being like what's going on why are they fighting me i'm like stop talking shit about luke
01:02:27
Speaker
or while that's all happening, he's thinking in his mind, he's like, I am the best player of hide and seek ever. They're not finding me, I'm the best. And like, yeah, all throughout Cade's mind, he's just like thinking about like how he's acting like a teenager because what happens at the end, he comes in his pants. So funny. I love when a guy comes in his pants, right? It's like Connor Cobalt did the first time that he had rose. You have to be like,
01:02:55
Speaker
pussy is too powerful. Like you made this man come in his pants. And then nothing like I don't want to say nothing happens because again, it is a lot of tension for a long time.
01:03:10
Speaker
But chapter 21 is when things really get kick-started here because Willa is coming home from the bar and Kate has been waiting for her and he's like real jealous, right, of all the things that she has been doing. He was jealous of a guy that he thinks that she might like like or have a thing with. And then chapter 21 through 23 we get three straight chapters.
01:03:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, we get three straight chapters of Fantastic Smut and it start I can't even say it you guys I wrote down a quote I like can't keep I can't keep a straight face from reading it. Okay, you got there on the deck and they're fighting okay, and He's mad, you know, he's jealous whatever and then Cade says Keep
01:04:03
Speaker
okay it says keep talking like that and I'm going to fuck the filth right out of your pretty mouth you heard me read you keep barking at me like that and I'm going to put you on your knees open those strawberry lips and fuck your face just guys I can't do it with a straight face anyway
01:04:26
Speaker
Kayla prides herself on being able to keep a straight face whenever she's like reading smut scenes in public, but here we are. I'm good at it when I'm not saying it out loud. If I'm not saying it, I'm just sitting there, I'm like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I'm very good at keeping a straight face, but saying it out loud, I can't do it. Anyway, that isn't like the iconic blow job scene in Heartless. She drops her knees inside. She literally drops her knees right there out in the open on the porch, okay?
01:04:55
Speaker
amazing. And then again, like I said, it's three straight chapters. So then then we move inside in chapter 22. And that is when Cade eats her out, plays with her tits a lot. Where's, where's, where's Luke? All this is happening? He's off his grandpa's house. Okay, I forgot. I was just making sure. He's away. Goodness. Grandpa's house.
01:05:22
Speaker
You think Kate is a horrible father? I don't think he's a- no, I think he's a great- you know how smart his kid is? He must be a great father. I don't know how to beat your ass. Stop! He's just very smart for his age. Oh boo.
01:05:40
Speaker
Um, and that during this whole, like, um, when they're inside, um, one of my like favorite parts where I just kept being like giggling and being like, okay. Um, is when he's constantly making her say thank you. He's like complimenting her body or he's, you know, making her feel good in a certain way. And he's constantly making her say thank you.
01:06:03
Speaker
that's really hot to me, okay? And of course, like Willa is very like, at first she's very adamant that she doesn't want to and she's trying to be all like, you know, she's got a smart mouth, but you know, when she gives into that, she really likes it. And then of course, the next chapter, chapter 23 is when they do have sex and it's, you know, amazing. But I think,
01:06:33
Speaker
one of the most defining Smutsi, or the defining Smutsi, at least for me, in this book is chapter 26. This involves the hot tub again, but this time they actually do, there's no truth or dare involved in the sense that they don't get to do anything with each other. And first,
01:06:54
Speaker
Kade makes her sit on the edge of the tub, again, and watches her as she masturbates. And then, the best part, afterwards, is he, uh, he titty-fucks her. And that's just probably my favorite scene in the whole book.
01:07:14
Speaker
bravo it's so hot he says let's see let me try and find the quote oh he just says he says first i'm fucking those pretty tits then you can have a taste you have to say it in like a country accent i'm not saying that in a country accent first i'm fucking those pretty
01:07:37
Speaker
And and she says of course and Willa is like immediately she's like okay deal like she's like perfect and um and then he says so eager I'll add that to your list of admirable traits now put my cock between your breasts to push them together it's my turn anyway it's a very hot scene so hot and the last yeah I I think I
01:08:03
Speaker
Again, I texted Kendra when I read that scene and I was like, this is amazing. The last scene is also really good. I think it's actually kind of underrated because a lot of people, rightfully so, talk about chapter 26. But chapter 28 is really good too because they're at Luke's birthday party and then they go inside into the kitchen and they have sex there.
01:08:26
Speaker
She's bent over on the counter, he's behind her, and not only that, but he stuffs her face with panties that he picked up in the first chapter that she dropped from her purse. And so that was really hot too. Yeah, and they're just, Elsie's very talented, you know? She is. Very talented, she is.
01:08:47
Speaker
When I first read, what's the first one called? Flawless in Heartless? Because at the time I think a lot of people were like, oh, if you like Deveny Perry's Small Town, then you'll like L.C. Silver's. And I read L.C.'s books after I'd already read a lot of Deveny's and I was like, Deveny writes smut.
01:09:05
Speaker
Elsie writes porn, like her scenes are like so intense, like, so good. I know the popular one of this year was in what's it called? Powerless, when he's like, who's that fucking ring and crawl? Yeah, yes. I was like, Whoa, that I didn't get it. It wasn't my favorite book in the series. But that was a exact that's what I'm saying. Like, that's your favorite book. Yeah, she
01:09:35
Speaker
she'll bring you back in with a really good smut. And during that whole scene at the birthday party too, Willa is like a little bit jealous of Luke's mom because Luke's mom is there and so he's like Kate is basically like
01:09:51
Speaker
trying to reassure her and then that whole time too is like they're having sex. And he says, is this what you need? You need me to bend you over right here and now then send you back out there dripping my cum down your pretty little thighs to prove it to you. I love, like, what do you call that? Very hot. Very hot. When you call that, like, is that a cream pie? When like... I don't care. When it's like,
01:10:24
Speaker
I will not be able to look Daniel in the face yeah cuz like is that what it is cuz you know what in um in Willa Nash's Ivy when there's a smut scene between two characters and like
01:10:40
Speaker
at the end she leaves and she like makes a point to note that like she still feels him like coming down her legs. I love that too. I love that Ivy man. That's why Ivy's pretty good. I want Devani Perry, Willa Nash, Devani Perry, same person. I want them to write more. Yeah, I think she's really good at it. Like
01:11:01
Speaker
let's leave small town behind a little bit get more like murder mystery high society it was fun vibes yeah kayla why heartless you know when we were trying to figure out books like naming books that we were going to bring for this episode i had a kind of a tough time trying to figure out what i was going to bring i don't really know why
01:11:24
Speaker
um just because when i think of of my books i guess like the books that i really like i don't want to this makes me sound like i'm better than you because i don't think of smut first but um i i don't know like i just have a difficult time um i for me it's also when i'm reading a book
01:11:47
Speaker
The plot, like Brandi has said before, is so connected to the smut for me that I can't, for me it's hard for me to un-marry the two and so I had to also really like the book in order to also I think sometimes enjoy the smut.
Role of Smut in Romance Literature
01:12:03
Speaker
Yeah but Heartless I think to me, number one, I think the thing that sticks out in Heartless for me, I really really just love Willa and so it's nice for me when I enjoy the female character more than the male character because I think so many times in books with
01:12:20
Speaker
like, smut that I really love. I don't know why, but I feel like I tend to enjoy the male character more. I don't know if it's because like... It's a misogyny. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, internalized misogyny, right? I don't know. But like, I, um, yeah, it's like in, for example, Good Gone Bad, I love Danner. I mean, I do really like Harley Rose too, but I really like Danner.
01:12:43
Speaker
I know, I love Harley Rose, but I don't know what it is like for Danner because I, you know, he, I don't know if it was because he was a Dom or what, but I like, I usually liked the male more. And so this one, I think it was just for me, not only was Willa just really hot, I just really liked her character in general. And so then it made it even hotter for me. I think the smut made it hotter for me. I don't know if that makes sense. But I think that that's a differentiator for me in Heartless. This is why I want more like,
01:13:12
Speaker
know they're out there it's just like me taking the time to like find them and like I want them to be good too but I want more FF books like smutty books um and I wonder if it's because like romance authors like assume that like as women like
01:13:30
Speaker
if we're reading FM, then like maybe we also like men. So like they want to paint up the men so that way can be more of like a self insert. So that's why they do paint the man out to be larger. Sure. Focus on like his physical traits, rather than like hers. I mean, granted, like you do get like male POVs were like
01:13:49
Speaker
like big titties fat ass skinny with like you know but yeah it's very i don't know i feel like more oftentimes the men is put up more like in a desirable way yeah like like if they're trying to sell a certain book with a certain scene they'll usually use like a hot quote from a male versus a female do you know what i mean um and this book i gave the quotes i gave you were all from kade pretty much right
01:14:14
Speaker
Oh my god, are we unpacking right now? That's crazy. Oh, maybe. I don't know. You know what I mean? I can't deny those quotes for probably my favorites of the scenes. But I think, again, I bring it back to, I guess, I just really love Willa. And she was a massive part of why I enjoyed this book. She's probably the main part of why I enjoy the book.
01:14:36
Speaker
Yeah, I do think it comes down to the self-insert now that I think more about it cuz then it's like it's almost as if like he's saying that stuff to me but then Yeah, it's cuz even me like when I was doing Garrett it was all
01:14:52
Speaker
stuff that Garrett had said versus stuff that Ginny had said to Garrett. I mean Ginny does say really good stuff to Garrett but I think it's more so outside of the bedroom that she's like hyping him up um like talking about how good of a friend he is and like I don't know it's it's interesting though um smart and how it works. Yeah I'm curious like how much because all of these books that we just talked about are indie authors and are being published I wonder
01:15:21
Speaker
how much is like authors just writing what they want versus writing what they think a reader wants to read. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Curious. Also, I think it's interesting that and we just did like all of our addictive episodes and stuff and now Addicted is being published by Berkeley.
01:15:40
Speaker
And I feel like every few months, one of us will read a Berkeley book and be like, whoa, like that was like pretty smutty for like a Berkeley traditional, traditionally published book. But now they have the Addicted series. So I wonder if they're like going to be expanding, like what they're publishing because a year ago, I don't think you would find talk in a Berkeley book.
01:16:05
Speaker
now they just published 10 books with that word like uh yeah throughout so it's just it's interesting for you guys like does smut need to be uh do you enjoy a book more if it has smut or like does it not matter as long as it's a good book because i know some people they're like if it's not smutty like i don't want to read it what's like i think it entirely depends upon the writing style and the kind of story that it is
01:16:31
Speaker
Like I remember when I first read Jane and Edward and I saw that it was a closed story. I was like, oh darn. Like when I, before I, before I read it. But I think that once you actually read it, it makes sense. And I don't even fully think about the fact like afterwards, after I read it, I'm like, Oh yeah, I didn't even, I mean, sure. If I, if I, if I'm like, Oh, I wish I would have seen it. Obviously if I love the characters, I, you know, cause I'm a horny bitch. I want to see. I want to see.
01:16:58
Speaker
What? Anyway, I obviously want to see it, but for the purpose of the story, it makes sense. And so it doesn't like take away from my rating of the book, you know, or my love of the book, you know? What about you? Yeah, I think for me, I always like it. It's not like a hard or fast rule for me. It's like a bonus. Yeah, definitely.
01:17:28
Speaker
Like I'll because sometimes like people will like ask like to read a certain book like I think the simple I was a perfect example of you like oh Kendra like I did like saw you liked it like I want to read it but this person like only reads like smut like 24 sevens then I always go like guys like there's no smut like just so you know because I don't want it to like ruin the book for them so yeah it's interesting like who I end up telling that to and like who I don't um yeah
01:17:57
Speaker
And also with The Simple Wild, just that series in general, more specifically I guess Wild at Heart, there isn't smut but we're told all the time. Like do you think that also being told that something is happening a lot because they're having sex a lot in Wild at Heart? And like you're kind of living it open to your imagination. I think that that is, what do you think about that?
01:18:19
Speaker
mind it as much like but again we've talked about this before with Kay Tucker just pisses me off because like she does write smutty books but like if she if that was just her style I would respect it because I mean there are tons of romances where like you constantly are seeing the people like you're constantly being told that they're having sex but you just never see it which is like fine but um yeah with that one it just she don't get me started it pisses me off
01:18:44
Speaker
Pissed me off but five stars for that book. Yeah. Because we love it so much. I know. Yeah. Like people are like guys like give it a rest. Like move on. Yeah, I think like it hurts my soul a little bit to tell for them to be telling me and then not showing it if it's like constant.
01:19:05
Speaker
But that's just because I'm greedy and
Conclusion and Call to Action
01:19:07
Speaker
I want it. It won't make a big difference for me at all. Yeah, some of my favorite books ever have no explicit smut in it. Like Main Oli Parks.
01:19:19
Speaker
Oh yeah, I think Magnolia is such a good example where like people are constantly having sex in those books. We never see it and Jessa like really stands fast on the fact that she like just that's just not her style. She doesn't like writing super explicit scenes but the ones like where we do get a little bit they're so emotionally intense
01:19:44
Speaker
I'm thinking of one specific scene in the first book. I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't read Magnolia Parks, but there's one scene in the first book where these two people are hooking up and it's like, I had to like reread it, but like there was nothing super explicit about it, but it was just so crazy what she was doing in that scene. I was like, Jessa, like, oh, Jessa, I just want to like dissect her brain. She's insane. Anyway, all right. Oh, yeah, we were right. A cream pie.
01:20:14
Speaker
Brandi's boyfriend. He says a cream pie is when the dude comes in a girl and then it oozes out. So Kade did in fact cream pie in two villains. Guys I have such a great thing when it comes to books. I leave it. Spotify like it's gonna flag this episode they're gonna be like
01:20:44
Speaker
It's marked as explicit. Literally. Anyway. This was very fun, you guys. Yeah. Glad that I got to be horny on the main with y'all. I mean, isn't that pretty gross, the audio? That's like, if there's one thing I'm gonna be, it's horny all night. Come on with me now. It's so much fun.
01:21:05
Speaker
And again, I'm so glad that like we've created a space for each other to like sit here and talk about like all the things that turn us on in books and we just are throwing on all these inappropriate terms and words. And I hope anyone who's listening has felt safe while listening to this as well. If you ever want to talk about your smutty favorite with us, you can follow us on our Instagram at bring your own pod. We hope to share many smutty favorites with you guys in the future. Stay happy, stay horny, stay healthy.
01:21:58
Speaker
Go touch the grass everybody! Bye!