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Sarah-Daye McDougall: On this episode of Bookwatch, we are watching Breaking Dawn, the grand finale of Stephenie Meyer's Twilight Saga.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: twilight movie two different twilight movies were directed by the same person and screenwriting was done once again by melissa rosenberg and stephanie meyer So today we have a little change in our lineup.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Our dear co -host Chris finally welcomed his baby with his wife and he's on a little...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: A real baby, not a CGI baby. To be clear,
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Not a bad CGI baby, a real life baby baby. And he's...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Human, full human.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: a full human. and so he's on a little paternity leave to be with his wife and bond with baby and just have some precious newborn family time.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not that I'm sure he doesn't mind the excuse to pass on the Breaking Dawn coverage.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No. I'm sure he's fine with it, yeah.
Shireen: Oh Chris.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But we've immediately replaced him with my dear friend Shireen, who I don't know if you even remember this, Shireen, but when I first told her I was going to start doing a podcast about books and their adaptations, the first two things she asked me was, when are you doing Twilight and when are you doing Harry Potter?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: which are the two most important franchises ever.
Shireen: They're very important to me.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes, so now we're here. So welcome Shireen for Breaking Dawn.
Shireen: Thank you so much, you guys. Thanks for letting me join and gab.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Absolutely.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Of course. And as usual, I'm Jordan.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I'm Sarah Day and I'm just giving my initial thoughts today because as of this recording, it is Halloween and I am hosting a party and we also had a dishwasher and sink fiasco.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So I'm just going to give some initial thoughts and then hop off and let these ladies who love Twilight way more than Chris and I dive into the nitty gritty details.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. But if you want Sarah Day's... Thoughts you're gonna have to wait until after these ads
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay, we're back. So. Sarah Day, let's get you out of here. You've got a lot going on.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Give us your your final thoughts on
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I know. I feel like I need to like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: The Twilight Saga and Breaking Dawn.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Go through my text messages to you because I've been texting you as I've been watching and reading but some highlights are First and foremost, I think everybody looks the best in part two.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not just because Bella became a vampire and she looks beautiful. I didn't realize how kind of like.
Shireen: Stunning.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: dull they made her in the previous ones but they really did a good job of making that distinction between her human self and her vampire self but even carlisle like edward like when they're on the battlefield i'm like oh my gosh this is the first time i've actually been attracted to robert pattinson in this franchise like i loved him as cedric diggory
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Eh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then, so I think that. I don't know. Everybody just looks better in this one. Or at least I noticed it more in this one. I was really upset that they cut.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: The. like the the conversation of the difference between the werewolves and the Shapeshifters.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm hmm.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: that the tribe are shapeshifters, not true werewolves, and that there are werewolves that are the mortal enemies of. vampires they
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: kind of made a a slight easter egg in the movie they mentioned Caius mentioned the werewolves. And Aro was like, no, don't worry about it. So kind of a throwaway line, but I think that is something that he saw.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: in the visions and reading everybody's thoughts. They just don't go into it like they did the book. Because rereading the book, I'm like, oh my gosh, that's so cool. it's just more expansion of this world and all of the mythical creatures that may be in this world. And it brings back.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: the history that she got at the bonfire. with the chief you know going into the body and like it's not they're not an actual werewolf they're shapeshifters i just thought that was really really cool But again, movies, you don't have time for all of that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They did though. This movie was only an hour and 55 minutes.
Shireen: They had...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: This was a very short movie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: to... heart.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Shireen: Two parts you have time to like give us more
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. There. They had time for that.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I think they didn't This is just me headcanoning right now in this moment, but I feel like they didn't want to because they didn't want like they wanted to fully wrap up the story. And if you introduce the concept of.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: like there could be other types of shapeshifters that turned into things other than wolves.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then there's true werewolves on the continent in Europe. Like. That is kind of like a... like a backdoor pilot kind of a vibe where like oh maybe we're doing a spin -off and they're like no there's no spin -off there's no more books This is the end of the Twilight Saga.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We're having our Avengers Endgame send off in the credits, which we will talk about because it's incredible. And like, they're like, no, that's that's it. We're done. That. That's it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Something else to talk about. a change, a huge change. And this is what I've mentioned in previous episodes is one of the biggest things I remember. Speaking of Avengers moments, this is probably.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: My second most memorable theater experience. first being infinity war and how quiet it was i guess third because endgame was also amazing but I clearly remember.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: when Alice comes in the theater. And she holds out her hand. And then we see the vision and she's like, oh, it doesn't matter. Like you won't even change your mind. And then we go into this huge battle.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: people in the theater were like, what the fuck like this This is not what happened in the book.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And like, it was crazy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: for freaking out.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then you see Carlisle's head and you're just like. Holy shit. What is happening? They like. they everything worked out in the book this is completely different and then you know
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Five, 10 minutes later. You find out it's just her vision through Aura's eyes. Incredible.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Incredible.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: twist from book to film like to make that because you need that drama in a film like you can't just go to this field have a conversation and peace out you need to have like an action -packed finale
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And to make it work the way they did. If Twilight did one thing right, I think it was this twist.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, I agree.
Shireen: Agreed. Yeah, I like. Because even book readers were surprised.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Exactly, yes
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: yeah and it was so well done too like the way that it played out it's like yeah i totally believe because as soon as like carlisle is the father he's not gonna let anybody
Shireen: Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: hurt. his kids and then as soon as carlisle dies because carlisle is the though. thread that brought all these other vampires together right not just the cullens but all of these nomads and other covens like it's his bonds that brought these people together and so if he goes down yeah everybody's gonna freak out and i love like edward's face what he just like you can see him just go like fully feral he's like nope that's my dad were like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: that's it there's no going back from this and like you said it You get to surprise everybody with that because even avid book readers are like what the frick is going on right now
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Hmm.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, really cool how they decided to do that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's pretty much all Of my like key takeaways, I thought. The way they split the two were fine. You know, they included.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Parts. one and two of the book for the most part into breaking down part one. I really loved getting into Jacob's head as melodramatic as he is in the book.
Shireen: So melodramatic.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. It was bad. Like the fact that they're always making fun of him and how like melodramatic he is.
Shireen: It's so hard.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then you get into his head and you're like, holy shit, this is bad.
Shireen: Insufferable.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: The worst.
Shireen: He's 16.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But I love it. Yes. Even though he has the body of a 25 year old.
Shireen: Crazy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Anyway.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh, the change between how she gets the passports. I thought it was fine to cut all of that. that first meeting out like it wasn't needed the quick little thing they had in the film fine And then again, going back to part one, her like them cutting with her turning into a vampire. I thought that was really great. and then lucky us not having to wait a year to find out what happens in part two But I thought it was good. I thought...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: they added they did it well enough that it's you're not bored in part one because you have this whole pregnancy thing. And then. I think Jordan, this might've been when I texted you and I was like, it's that time of the month. So I'm really emotional, but.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Was that what he was imprinting on her?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: Hehehehe.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, I was like, I cannot believe I'm actually getting emotional about this because I think it's the silliest thing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But I was actually getting emotional. I think maybe it was the music and then just that I'm Team Jacob and that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Taylor Lautner was just acting his little tush off as best he could with this silly script but
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He just...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: yeah I mean the way he just falls to his knees and I also love like the voiceover that he gets of like straight out of the book of like it's like your center of gravity shifts and this person is the only thing holding you to the earth like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes!
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I'm like, yeah, you can say like it's cringy, but it's also incredibly romantic. And it's like, I hope. that somebody, you know, my husband. loves me enough where I become the center of his universe. yes and that let's keep it healthy you know let's let's not get toxic with it but like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's... that is a way to interpret true love. And so I thought it was really sweet too.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And it's not like they ignore the fact that it's a baby. Like they do make it very clear that he's not in love with a baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He's her protector right now. And even in his impression in the scenes. you see her grown and that's what he that's what he's falling in love with the future her and it so i think they did it tastefully enough that
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: you know people that didn't read the book and weren't expecting this There's no. It's not creepy. They did well. handling this whole thing. And then even in the book,
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Or at least it's not any creepier than it already inherently is by the fact that it's a thing, right?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. well and that's what i was about to say Because in the book.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like, they didn't make it worse.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You never get anything about... them being romantic like yes imprintion is essentially soulmates but like right now he's just her big brother he's there for what she needs he's there to protect her and so
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You know. It's fine. It is what it is. I think it's. They get away with it. in a not creepy way. But yeah, so I liked that whole, I liked how they brought Charlie in.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I thought part one did a really great job. And then again, yeah, part two, I think again, just the incredible twist. that they did and they pulled off.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: What's good? and
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I'm excited to kind of get back into this world. It was really good to revisit this. And I know that they're doing, I haven't read the book that's based on Edward's perspective. And I know that they're doing the animated show.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So I'm excited to check those out.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: when the time comes because i know jordan you'll make us cover that on the podcast but i'm not going to protest i'm i'm excited to see his perspective and kind of Join.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Obviously.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: or revisit this world again.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Are they doing an animated show because Robert Pattinson just refuses?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It might be, I mean, he's too old to go back to be Edward anyway, but yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Probably.
Shireen: That as well.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: This is true.
Shireen: he's like no i'm not doing that again
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. I think now that he's like solidified himself as like a. very well respected serious actor outside of twilight like now he's
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: like you can even see the progression like in interviews like he's so negative about twilight or he won't even talk about it and then just very very recently he's like oh yeah you know we did twilight it was fun like we took it so seriously like it was it was a good time like and now he's like able to fondly talk about it. So I think now is.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: like they've probably been trying for a while.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, and there was. Some heartbreak there because I texted you the other day where we're trying to look up directors or showrunners or something and i found out that you know they were dating
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Kristen and Robert. And I guess she cheated on him as I went down this whole rabbit hole.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But anyway, I guess there's, you know, not only is it the whole like cringe and this was a. horrible movie franchise acting career blah blah blah but there's heartbreak in there too if it wasn't a publicity stunt and he really truly loved her like it's probably hard to come back to this time too just because that was
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Absolutely.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You know, cheating on somebody is... Really? Not a nice thing to do.
Shireen: Notes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not something you want to remember.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Very detrimental. Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So, but anyway, all in all I've enjoyed revisiting the series.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: for sure
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's been fun. I don't find it as cringe as Christopher does.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes!
Shireen: Yo yo yo yo!
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But yeah, definitely not.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Uh... On my top. Five. Thanks.
Shireen: It's definitely
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, that's fine. We love you anyways.
Shireen: It's definitely like a not every year. Watch for me.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Right.
Shireen: But when it comes up, oh, is it so fun.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. I mean, this was definitely fun to do like over the Halloween month, you know, so.
Shireen: Oh it's so good.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: it was fun to do this little mini series so i don't regret it
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Hooray! That's all we can ask for.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: All right, but I'm going to hop off. Enjoy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: All right.
Shireen: Okay, bye.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Thank you, Sarah Day, for all of your lovely thoughts.
Shireen: Thank you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Adios.
Shireen: Okay, what's up?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: All right. Shereen. It's us. It's just us, the two Uber fans.
Shireen: It's us. Ugh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: here to talk about Twilight. So Get me caught up. Whoa. us me and the listeners get us caught up on your history with twilight in general and like what it what it has meant to you throughout your life.
Shireen: So I... was a late starter on twilight my friends were not watching my friends were reading it when i was growing up And I had one good girlfriend that was explaining it to me.
Shireen: And I was like, this is insane. Like, this is ridiculous. I'm not. i can't do that and then the movies came out and i was so taken from the love story like i was able to Enjoy.
Shireen: I could separate from like the ridiculousness. and be like but he loves her so
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay.
Shireen: It started with the movies for me, and then I... started reading the books in COVID. That was the first time I've read the books. Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's very recent.
Shireen: That's very recent. I know.
Shireen: they're very difficult to read as an adult. I will say
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Yeah. but
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, I think I joked.
Shireen: Loved them all the same.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: in another episode i'm like once your brain is fully developed it just doesn't hit the same
Shireen: It's so hot. No, oh my gosh, I'm reading it I'm like she's insufferable she is so young and then they're trying to also
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. No, but this shit hit like crack when I was 16 years old.
Shireen: You were like Give me more, baby!
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like the - Like give me more. Yeah, like this this was like peak incredible writing when I was a teenager. I was like, Yes, the yearning, the longing, like all of that was just like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: the best thing ever and then your brain develops you're like oh my god these these children are insane
Shireen: oh my god this 118 117 year old I fell in love with the 17 year old. Okay. Okay. And then...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: It just feels like home when I watch it. And I actually just made my husband Steven.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: I'm talking to you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We love Stephen.
Shireen: We love Steven. I made him and my mother watch it last night. So that was really fun.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Excellent. I love that for you.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: How did they feel about Twilight?
Shireen: Stephen said he'll never watch it again.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay.
Shireen: But so he's never watched it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: hater.
Shireen: He's never watched it or read the books. Yeah. He was like, I've made it a goal in my life to not. I was like, well, sucks to suck. We're watching it now.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay.
Shireen: And...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: versus my husband when I said, he he's like oh yeah i remember when this part happens i was like you've watched twilight he's like you're talking to laura's son yeah i've watched twilight and i was like you're so right king my bad
Shireen: That's so true. You're so right. That was probably like a monthly watch in your house.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, I was like, you know what? My bad. Disrespectful of me. So sorry.
Shireen: My bad didn't didn't notice the drip that you're holding right now with that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I have. I forgot the... You knew ball. That's my bad.
Shireen: Yeah, he balls for sure.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Yeah, Stephen. He was like, hey, I'm not necessarily having a great time, but I'm not having a horrible time.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Perfect.
Shireen: And it was fun to...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Now go back and watch the first one. Let me know what you think.
Shireen: I don't know, Phil.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Ha ha!
Shireen: I was like, you're so lucky we're watching this one because the first one.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because at least... Awesome.
Shireen: That was when they had no money and they didn't know where they were going.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: And now we're watching it and they have wig money and they have like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Afraid.
Shireen: The set money.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right, we've got CGI money. Well, do we though?
Shireen: Do people -
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because... well and this one i actually was texting sarah day i was like it's actually a crime That. Renesmee looks the way she does when the wolves look so good.
Shireen: Wolves, even Stephen said that. He was like, Even Steven. The wolves look cool. And when they're fighting, they look.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: really intense like it gave i was triggered by the wolves because it was so similar to a dog fight
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: that I was like, oh, I can't do this.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh yeah.
Shireen: But then you give us that baby?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They're terrifying. Right.
Shireen: That creepy little face
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, and, like, I guess humans are harder to animate than animals. I'm sure there's a reason technically why it was harder and they couldn't do it, but it looks like y 'all didn't even try, girl.
Shireen: And where was the... The pictures of the... creepy little doll that they had. that thing's face
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: versus the CGI phase.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Check Esme. Yeah.
Shireen: Like. Where did we lose? They don't look alike at all.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No, not at all.
Shireen: Which I'm glad. The creepy doll in the beginning, don't love that thing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Thank God.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because for those of you who are not major Twilight fans. There was a doll prop that they were using as baby Renesmee, but she looks like a freaking Chucky doll.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So she's been named Chukesmee.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: by the fans
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so, like, the CGI is better than Chuck Esme, but, like...
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: it's still real tough to get through.
Shireen: also how weird for that actress to be like oh yeah they like used my face when I was a little girl and like made me look like a little girl and then made me look like an adult.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Now she's an adult. She's looking at her CGI creepy face.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. cleared.
Shireen: Poor thing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Good stuff. I'm gonna switch things up on you. Forgive me.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I want to get right into the plot, but first I want you to like talk about your thoughts on like the main cast and their portrayal because we're not gonna we've already talked about everybody ad nauseum you know kristen and robert and all taylor all all the people so You give us your perspective and then we'll just jump straight into the plot and the other actors as we get to them. We'll talk about.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: their performances.
Shireen: So.
Shireen: I don't know if it's... Kristen's fault?
Shireen: Or if it's the directing and writing's fault.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bye.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm
Shireen: But she gives a weird performance of Bella.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Shireen: Compared to the book, Bella is very outgoing I would say even though they say she's not. She has more personality. I think overall, the movie, they played them very...
Shireen: very just flat.
Shireen: Everyone is so flat in the book. I mean, Edward. he gets like riled up and he gets angry but then in the movie Robert's just kind of like... The demons inside you.
Shireen: Oh no. And it's like... in the book he's like what's happening Who's this?
Shireen: So...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And... Long story short, I love them. I think they did a great job with what they were given.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: But I do think that there's so many differences in the personalities between the book and the movies.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, I just I don't know what to say I liked how in Breaking Dawn and part two, especially, we finally get to see Edward. Like, I agree with you that it's very flat because Edward finally is happy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Once Bella is turned, that man feels joy for the first time in 117 years like he is just stoked on life he's like oh i've got my girl
Shireen: True.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We can do stuff without me having to worry about hurting her. She's... finally a vampire like everything is like smooth and easygoing for him and we see him smile and he's happy and like he's not constantly stressed about wanting to kill her.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: you know, to drink her blood but also like accidentally killing her just because he's so much stronger than her And we still like.
Shireen: True.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I know that there's a lot going on. We're very stressed about the wolves coming and then the Volturi coming. But like, we still like. barely get to see him have any joy in this and you know it's crazy i mentioned it in the intro but like every single one of these movies except for breaking down one and two but all the other three films each have a different director And so I was like, why did all of y 'all just decide like, nope.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Any emotions you're having, keep them right in here.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Don't get too high. Don't get too low. Keep it right here in neutral. basically.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Most people I mean, I think the only person who ever shows any emotion is Jacob and frickin Charlie
Shireen: Charlie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Love Charlie.
Shireen: Don't even bring up Charlie right now.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: movie Charlie.
Shireen: I love that man. Movie Charlie, baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Movie Charlie deserves rights. Book Charlie does not.
Shireen: Yep. Agreed.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Great daddy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Amen.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: This is dangerous. They shouldn't have let us alone.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And it's also so early. Lo siento.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Coffee's hitting it now, so we're doing good.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay. Good, good, good.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: All right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Let's get into the plot. So part one actually opens where Eclipse. ends in the book.
Shireen: oh which i love Love.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: The end of Eclipse, we talked about. on our last episode was Jacob getting the invitation to the wedding and him like taken off into canada just like i can't deal with this i have to go be a wolf like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And like, honestly, respect. Like if I got bad news like that, I would love to just turn into a wolf and just run off and not have to deal with my problems. So respect.
Shireen: Yeah, what a world that would be.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: so but we opened this movie with him getting the invitation and getting pissed and then it's like it's it's very quick like we're moving at a good pace here it's the wedding which i this is the first time that i've watched this movie since i got married and hey i was sobbing the entire time
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because now I'm like, oh, I know what that feeling is to.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: be there and like have your parents in the room while you're getting ready. And then like your dad, like, don't let me fall. because i'm pretty sure i said the same thing to my dad because we had like where I was walking, it was like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: cobblestone type deal and i was in heels and like bella i'd never wear heels they weren't stilettos but still and i was like i'm scared i'm gonna fall and he's like i got you i'm like and then the music is so beautiful
Shireen: So beautiful.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That scenery, like the way that Alice, I mean. Alice, the set designers. decorated the wedding is just absolutely incredible.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and the whole thing the whole like actual wedding scene is so beautiful so well done
Shireen: I totally understand now. people when they were getting married after this movie came out saying I want Bella's dress
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep.
Shireen: I want to have a Bella wedding. I want to have that kind of like,
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep.
Shireen: I get it That was so stunning.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: So beautiful.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I mean, royal wedding, no, like this is the wedding of the century.
Shireen: Yeah, we're all set for this one here.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Yeah, absolutely so after the wedding we have the reception so a change from movie to book is the movie has Irina from the Denali coven actually there at the wedding and she gets to make her like pissy little remarks about like you invited a werewolf you know like they killed Laurent it's like you knew Laurent for like three seconds babe
Shireen: Okay.
Shireen: In your timeline of life. He was a blip.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Literally.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But she's very upset that. a that the werewolves killed Laurent, b that the Cullens still have the werewolves as friends and allies and she wasn't allowed to take revenge on them.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so she comes in the movie, she comes to the wedding and like throws a fit and then leaves. And then everybody else is like. Sorry about her. But in the book.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: it's said that she just decided to stay home because she was upset which is the better move
Shireen: Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But it sets it up for later when she does. when she sees renesme it's because she was coming to apologize and to say like you know what that was messed up i should have gotten over it i'm sorry like that i missed your wedding That's why she's coming down. And then she sees Renesmee and she's like, oh, shoot. Now I got to go snitch on you guys.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But like. It doesn't matter because she's still... I guess, was coming to apologize. They don't really explain it in the movie as well why she was down here.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So I guess they could have stayed the same, but I think they just wanted us to have. actual face time. with her to know who she was and like What we were going to be talking about because I don't think we've ever met any of the Denali Coven before this in the films.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: so i think they just wanted her face on screen so we were like That's who that is. Got it.
Shireen: She's also a well -known actress, so I feel like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay.
Shireen: They really didn't need much.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm
Shireen: compared to like the other. her clan, the two other blonde women.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: we know who that actress is for the most part so just like show us once and we'll be like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: locked in. Yeah.
Shireen: Lockton, I know her. She always plays a vampire.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah. And then the movie adds speeches at the wedding.
Shireen: Ugh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Which were... horrifying to behold.
Shireen: I'm sitting there like No one would say these speeches at a wedding.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Nobody. I mean... Charlie's speech. was the most like realistic like i could see my dad if he was a cop Being like, yeah, I know where I know how to use a gun and I know how to hunt people down. And especially given like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: The fact that they've only known each other for like. two years and like all the history of Edward leaving and then back and then this and that and she keeps getting hurt like Charlie's was believable. It was so cringy, but it was believable. But like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Why was Anna Kendrick back giving a speech at Bella's wedding? That was insane.
Shireen: That.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Emmett is embarrassing as usual. And then like her mom. Singing. Stop.
Shireen: Why is mom
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You didn't need to do that.
Shireen: All of a sudden, mom is a mom.
Shireen: I'm sorry, but
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bye.
Shireen: Mom really wasn't a mom and all of a sudden she's here like I used to sing this to you
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Shireen: every day
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Okay, Mom.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like... like really while bella was cleaning your house and cooking your meals for you that's okay Sure.
Shireen: Mm -hmm. Okay, sounds good, Renee.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Which... The movies, and we've talked about this before too, but these are actually... really good adaptations like reading the book watching the movie like it's pretty bang on like word for word, line for line, zine for zine.
Shireen: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So when they do add stuff, that. isn't in the book. It's like interesting as to why. I think they just did this just for shits and giggles like I think they're like you know it'd be funny if we had people do speeches and it was just like the worst of every character to give a speech.
Shireen: Because... That kind of is such a special part of weddings.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: The speeches are so important.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: So yeah, throw them in there make make some fun out of it. Oh my gosh Emmett's little quirk of
Shireen: Both Stephen and I had to like pause it for a moment. I hope you got enough sleep because you're not going to get any anymore. And Steven's like, why would he say that? Why would he say that? It's like well
Sarah-Daye McDougall: What? That's actually a double joke.
Shireen: She's gonna be... yeah she's gonna be a vampire so she's never gonna sleep again but also like charlie's sitting right there
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Don't say that in front of daddy who just also said I have a gun.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Not like a gun's gonna hurt him.
Shireen: Decorum, people.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: right but emmett has none and that's part of his character is that he has done because he's he continues to make those kinds of jokes throughout the whole book movie and even like
Shireen: Yeah.
Shireen: That's true.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Fast forwarding to when him and Bella arm wrestle.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like... There's a bet placed on that arm wrestle. If I win, you're not allowed to make jokes about my sex life anymore.
Shireen: Mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and he loses and then he throws a hissy fit because he lost and he can't make jokes anymore like that's just who emma is for better or worse
Shireen: Oh, poor Emmett. Yeah. I do like Emmett. I wish that we had more time with Emmett as a character.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. I think he probably is. him and Esme get the least amount of background info and like
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: one -on -one time with Bella because she has like all those
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: intimate scenes with carlisle and then like alice is alice and even jasper gets his moment in eclipse right so i think literally esme and emmett
Shireen: Jasper.
Shireen: Battle scars.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: At the wedding, so Jacob decides to show up last minute. And. he and Bella get their reunion she's like everything is perfect now because you're here and it's like Hey, you just got married, girl.
Shireen: Yeah, why are we so like... For Jacob.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I mean both, but like, yeah. So... But then she like lets slip that she and Edward are intending on consummating their marriage on their honeymoon. And this.
Shireen: Why?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: sends him into an absolute Meltdown he starts freaking out The other wolves, like Seth has to come in and pull him back. The other wolves apparently have just been watching from the trees this whole time. So Sam has to come out and grab him and like. Jacob, we're going !" get him out of there, which like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Again, like from. Jacob's point of view valid crash out but also like
Shireen: Is it?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: What did you think they were going to do? What did you think was going to happen?
Shireen: I mean... I... Imagine Jacob thought that he was just going to change her. Like it's wedding night, let me change you and then we can enjoy the rest of our lives together.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Who would think? that A human girl. would say Let's do it. first.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: If the human girl is Bella, that's my first thought. Because who would think that a human girl would want to date a vampire?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Or become a vampire? Or like...
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: participate in any of this supernatural stuff. a normal human girl probably wouldn't. They would probably be scared and be like, oh, this is crazy. I don't want any part of this.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bella from day one has been like no give me more of this weird stuff.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So if anybody in this world was going to be like, you know what, we should try and doing it. while I'm still a human, even though it's super dangerous. It would be Bella Swan.
Shireen: Super dangerous. What a girl. What a woman. What a woman!
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Idiot. Idiot.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: so That happens. Oh.
Shireen: Hold on. Hey, hey, what's up? You're back.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We'll pay you back. You're back. So that happens. Jacob gets kicked out. He leaves. And then we wrap up the wedding. That's pretty much it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And. They go to Rio and then they get on a boat and they go to Isle Esme, which apparently Carlisle's just been collecting funds for 500 years.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So he's just got enough money to. by an island.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: For Esme,
Shireen: Forgive me. Do they ever explain? In the books I forget how they have their money. Or like what they do to become so rich.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No.
Shireen: I mean, I figure. It's a given. They've been alive for how many years?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: collecting over time, but...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. I also... I don't think they've ever explicitly said this, but it's a common fan canon that, like, Alice can see the future since she just watches the stock market.
Shireen: Yes, okay, I've heard of that too. You're right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You know and they so they just always know what stocks are gonna go well, so they if you get in on Apple as soon as it goes, before it even goes public. Next thing you know, you're a gazillionaire.
Shireen: And that's why Arlo.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: you know.
Shireen: Sorry. I get it now, Arlo.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Well, but and then also, you know, like Carlisle has a job. He works as a doctor. So...
Shireen: That's also true and he works all the time because he doesn't need to sleep.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You know?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. so you know he's always He's collecting a paycheck at least, you know, and then the other the other ones you know once they're once they graduate high school for the 1500th time
Shireen: goes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: they can get they can go and get jobs now like they're adults they can you know they can do that so you know it's not unreasonable to think that they've just been again and like you said they don't need to sleep they can be working theoretically multiple jobs at a time
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: you know.
Shireen: but Quick quick Another side note off of a side note, would you? If you were a vampire?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No.
Shireen: Would you be like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not if I had a sister who could see the future and watch the stock market for me.
Shireen: You know what?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like, no, I wouldn't.
Shireen: Yeah. But also, wouldn't you kind of get tired of like... What else would you do? If you want to be a part of society. What else would you do with your time?
Shireen: because they want to be a part of society. They want to be, I mean, they go to school for goodness sakes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: That part is psychotic to me.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: You're telling me you want to go back to high school?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, especially high school. Cause like. University, like college would be one thing.
Shireen: That'd be fun. Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But high school forever is insane to me.
Shireen: Absolutely.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, Edward talks about how like they all like they all know multiple languages and they all can play musical instruments because they and that's just what they do all night is just like. learn the arts basically.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: but yeah I guess during the day because you also like you have to pay for university so you have to have some money in order to pay for that so I guess you could just be constantly investing and then cashing out stocks to pay for school. I don't know. It is what it is.
Shireen: or They work at the Dairy Queen.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Maybe.
Shireen: Maybe.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Who knows?
Shireen: that could be a dream of someone's and we're not gonna We're not going to stifle their dreams, okay?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not I certainly.
Shireen: Not I either.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So...
Shireen: Sorry.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They get to the island. she takes a human moment to like shave her whole body and Take a shower.
Shireen: which
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like...
Shireen: Let's do that the night before, baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's what I'm saying. What's going on? Whatever.
Shireen: Hello?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: so she does that then they have the romantic like going out to the beach and the moonlight is sparkling on his skin and blah blah blah
Shireen: job sites towel. And she's naked.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Going into the water.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: they break the bed and there's feathers everywhere and All this whole thing. But then Edward there's she's got bruises because Edward has, you know, grabbed her too hard and has hurt her. And so he basically spent there there for several weeks. And so he basically spends the next two to three weeks just.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: pouting that he's hurt her. as usual because he's always pouting about something.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But pouting that he's hurt her and then trying to distract her and tire her out so that she can't try and initiate anything with him. So they're like, we're going on hikes, we're doing scuba diving and snorkeling and all these activities and things. and it sounds like a lovely vacation except for she can't get any and that's very devastating for her
Shireen: And that's all she wants because Bella.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: That was a little horn dog.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Oh. You and I need to talk after this about the mechanics.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: I don't think this is the place for it, but I would love to get in the mechanics with you, Jordan.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Ya know. If you guys want to see a bonus episode of us talking mechanics, let us know.
Shireen: No, please, because...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Otherwise, we'll keep that off camera.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Ha ha.
Shireen: perspective.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: on these things so when it comes to like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Shireen: How is she pregnant? that comes into play of like how did he produce and how you produces your blood. So... We got to get into it. Stephen and I had some really good.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay.
Shireen: plot hole findings.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, listeners, let us know if you want that. We'll record it.
Shireen: Please let us know because I have a lot to say on that. I have so much to talk about
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. The movie also... inserts a scene back in the push of Jacob talking to the other wolves and he's giving the exposition on imprinting.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and they see, you know, one of the other, I forget which wolf it is, but one of the other wolves is imprinted on a two -year -old, and then somebody else.
Shireen: Quick. Okay. I think.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Quill I think yeah
Shireen: Quill. quote.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. So, but he just talks about. imprinting it's like they're all slaves to the person they've imprinted on like it's not freedom and then leah offers her perspectives like yeah but like at least if you like for you Jacob if you imprinted on somebody other than Bella then Bella being with Edward wouldn't hurt you anymore and you wouldn't be thinking about her anymore and like that would be a type of freak like yeah you're you know shackled to this new person but you're free of.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bella and the pain of Bella being with Edward. And she explains it more in depth in the book, but for herself, like, I wish that I could imprint on somebody because I was with Sam. Sam imprinted on Emily.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And I'm still in love with Sam. And he just abandoned me to be with the person he imprinted on. And that kills me. So if I could imprint on somebody. then that would, again, free me of pining after Sam and my life would be better that way because I would have somebody.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: that I imprinted on and that person would love me back and I could be happy now.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so it's actually leah is actually a very tragic character and even though she's a
Shireen: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: most of the time it's like i would be a bitch too if i was in her shoes dude like
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: she's she goes the only girl in the pack she goes through a lot with again with the whole sam and emily thing everybody's mean to her your thoughts are not private so you can't like there's nothing that is sacred to you
Shireen: Only girl.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: as an individual which all of them have to struggle with that but again being the only female in the group like
Shireen: And being the ex -girlfriend.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Justice for Leah. Justice for Leah.
Shireen: Justice for Leon.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Honestly. and then we switch back to the honeymooners. and bella like thinks that she's pregnant she's like I...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: they're i made some chicken and then i threw it up and now she talks about in the book She's tired all the time. She thinks it's because Edwards has her doing so many activities during the day.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But then we find out she's pregnant. It's like, oh, it's because you're. pregnant and so you're tired and now you're nauseous you're throwing up like of that. Then they call carlous they freak out And Bella. Bella knows that if anybody is going to be Because Edward immediately is like, we have to get.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: call Carlisle to get the baby out of you. Like we have to terminate the pregnancy.
Shireen: But he'll He'll never say the baby. It's always the fetus or it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes, the fetus.
Shireen: And she's just like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: How dare you? This is a part of you and me.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: And now I get it. Well, I got it before.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: but
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: but like yeah come on don't talk about this little thing that we just made like it's a monster
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah. Even if it is, even if it is actually, you know. killing you from the inside out.
Shireen: Killing me. I still love it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Which, yeah. There's a lot. there's a lot there but anyways so she she knows though that if anybody is going to understand her and her desires and her you know her wanting to see this pregnancy through to the end whatever the end looks like it's going to be rose So she calls Rosalie. and explains to her, hey, this is what's going on. I need your help. And so then Rosalie becomes her guard dog, basically.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and defends her and her desires and won't let anybody get too close to Bella and just is like Bella wants a baby and I also secretly want a baby until and I'm living vicariously through Bella so nobody touch her.
Shireen: Mm -hmm. And she could die. It's okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And if she dies, she dies.
Shireen: I just want the baby. Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: If she dies, she dies. That's none of my business.
Shireen: Is it?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So this is where we switch in the book. to Jacob's POV.
Shireen: Hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and so basically everything that happens for the next good chunk of time is actually told. through Jacob's point of view in the book. But this is a movie so it's...
Shireen: Sorry.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's okay.
Shireen: I just shared my own with you
Sarah-Daye McDougall: that everything in it's a movie so we don't it's not specifically jacob's point of view but we get back home. Jacob finds out that she's home. He rushes over to the Cullen's house to see her.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and then he becomes like a lot more central to the storytelling in the film. And so he, Edward goes on this insane rant about like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You know, if she wants a baby, then like you can give her a baby and we'll terminate this pregnancy. So because it's killing her, you can give her a baby. And then, you know, that will make her happy because she'll she'll have you around forever and she'll have a baby and then everything will be fine. And Jacob's like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Horrified by this like hey You're joking, right?
Shireen: but also a
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's crazy.
Shireen: He's a little excited by it too.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But also I'm kind of into it.
Shireen: He's like... Ooh, okay, I can have her too.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. which disgusting, horrifying on all accounts.
Shireen: Year 16, calm down.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then. Right. But then he's like, Bella's not going to listen to me. She's so stubborn. And Edward's like. yeah i know she probably won't but you have to try you're the only one with a chance of convincing her at this point if edward can't then the only other person who could is jacob
Shireen: Mhm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then he's like, well if she still refuses and then she eventually dies like You get what you always wanted and you can kill me. And Jacob's like. Works out great for me. I either get to bang Bella or kill Edward, so... I'm happy either way.
Shireen: So happy for you, Jacob.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Forgive my crassness, but that's pretty much...
Shireen: Oh my god.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Those are the options. So that's pretty much it.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So Jacob goes in and starts to talk to her and she's like. you know she just won't listen to reason as usual.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: When has Bella ever listened to reason?
Shireen: No, never.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Never.
Shireen: Another day in that. in little girl's life.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, so... Previously... The PAC has So flashing back a little bit actually to that cut away to a push.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Jacob talks about like, well, as soon as Edward turns Bella, I get to kill him because he's violated the treaty.
Shireen: He's so excited about him violating the treaty.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and Sam. he's so He's pumped.
Shireen: Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Sam's like, No, actually, no, you don't. They're not really violating the spirit of like the letter of the treaty, maybe, but like the spirit of the treaty, no. Bella has chosen this.
Shireen: asking for it she's quite literally asking for this so why are we
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. She'd been asking for it.
Shireen: gonna... yeah since she met him so she before she knew what he was she's been asking for it
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Absolutely. So... Sam's like, No, we're not going to start a war with the Cullens, who are good people. They're safe. They have never harmed anybody else ever.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because Bella has asked for this. Bella has chosen her path. She wants to be a vampire. I am not putting wolf. lives in danger. to avenge this just because you're upset about it, Jacob. It's not happening.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And oh, the switch up, as soon as they find out that she's pregnant. And like they see in Jacob's head how like terrible Bella looks. The CGI on Bella is.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: very good in the sense that she looks
Shireen: Ugh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: horrifying.
Shireen: Horrifying.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She's disgusting.
Shireen: it made my skin crawl and then i know at one point it's a mannequin
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Mhm.
Shireen: And it's a little too lifelike for me, the way that Stephen was like, it's Uncanny Valley right now. the way that that thing looks.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: like her and it's just dead and lifeless.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Oh, it's yeah. Like I think when she's on the table, they did a mannequin cause it's horrifying.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But they see this and they see that like this. baby you know is They don't even call it a baby. They call it a fetus or this monster, this demon, whatever.
Shireen: fetus
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They see what it's doing to Bella and they're like, this thing can't control its thirst. It's going to be a danger. We have to destroy it. We have to kill it before it's born. Which means we got to kill Bella, too. And then Jacob's like, well, you can't kill Bella.
Shireen: All of a sudden.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You were just saying that you were gonna like... Like...
Shireen: What do you want, Jacob?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: the hypocrisy of Jacob.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Right. So... they were like, you know, It's Bella's choice. It's Bella's choice. But when Bella's choice, you know, potentially could have a negative impact on the people around now.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: we're taking it into our own paws which Again, Sam's point of view. I get it. You know? obviously knowing how the story works out we know that sam's wrong but like in that moment Sam has the whole tribe, the whole pack, the whole town forks to think about.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He's doing what he thinks is the right thing.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So this is where we get. Jacob's alpha moment, he is like... No, I won't. Obey you. I was not born to follow you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I'm an alpha. And he breaks off.
Shireen: You are an alpha, Jordan. That was the best alpha voice I've ever heard.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Thank you. I was trying to do like his wolf voice because like they do some sort of voice modulation, which is insane.
Shireen: I'm listening to Sam I'm like that is not the actor's voice first of all that is like a voice actor that came in
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And then Jacob gets his.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh yeah.
Shireen: I am the son of, or no, I am the... Ants?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: The grandson of Ephraim Black!
Shireen: Ephraim Black!
Shireen: That part... Had me cringing. but also like go go go
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like that. Right. And that's the thing with Twilight. just in general is like you're gonna be cringing but also like Give me more at the same time.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: so jacob runs off and he's like i won't let you do this and he breaks off from the pack And so now there's two packs, right? Sansa Alpha of the original pack.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Jacob creates his own and Seth decides to dip. Because Seth has always been the most friendly with the vampires.
Shireen: I love Seth.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He is my brave, kind boy. We love Seth.
Shireen: So sweet.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Since Eclipse, he's always had a closer relationship with the Cullens, been more open to being around them, kinder to them. He's the only wolf.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: who shows up to the wedding like as a guest and not just hiding in the trees just supervising things him and billy and sue clearwater are the only members of the tribe who actually just say yes and attend the wedding just as guests.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So. Seth breaks off and joins Jacob's pack. And then Leah also breaks off and joins Jacob's pack. And so there's never been two packs before. So they're learning like, oh, they're their own pack. We can't hear them. But as soon as we decide to leave, now we can all hear each other.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay. Word. Got it. Later on, we discover that the two alphas can communicate to each other so that they can coordinate stuff for the Volturi, all that. But that's. like Seth can't talk to Paul anymore.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: but Jacob can talk to Sam and then each alpha can talk to the members of their pack. But so they all sprint back to the Cullen's house. They warn the Cullen's like, hey, Sam's going to attack. And then they're like, well, he was gonna.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But now we don't think he will because he's lost the element of surprise. so we actually don't think he's gonna attack anymore but like he's ready to fight like he's he's
Shireen: He's out there.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He's out there. Yeah, he's watching you guys. He's if you guys try to leave the house you know he's gonna try and hunt you down
Sarah-Daye McDougall: which is a problem because all the blood, they had blood in the house. It was all human blood, so the Cullens weren't going to eat it.
Shireen: shield. Drink it all.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But now Bella's drinking it all because the baby.
Shireen: Yeah. Thank Bella.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: wants blood. Which I'm sorry like I still it still bothers me
Shireen: I hated it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It still bothers me a lot that they're like. and Drinking it's the fastest way. It's like faster than an IV.
Shireen: yeah same steven and i were both like we could just hook her up to an iv she doesn't need to be drinking that through a straw you guys
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: It tastes good.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And, like...
Shireen: No!
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Shut up. No, I don't.
Shireen: And all... So why are we getting...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I know it doesn't.
Shireen: we know it doesn't why are we feeding her blood when we could just make her An iron -based meal.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Shireen: The baby wants iron. Is it blood or is it iron? I feel like we could get her like a little spinach chickpea thing. Why are we... That was crazy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I feel like the half vampire baby probably just wants straight blood, not an iron -based diet.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But again, I feel like we could have just done an IV.
Shireen: But... Yeah, we could have just hooked her up
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I feel like we could have done an IV and done blood transfusions. And I feel like that would have been. You know. Honestly, this book more than the others is a horror. a horror film.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: like the what it does to bella and especially the film like visually
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: The way she looks and then the fact that she's a human, like she's not a vampire yet.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She's a human drinking blood from a straw. It's very horrific. Like, in the true sense of, like...
Shireen: grassroots.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Hello. Like, this is a horror film.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: a lot of ways.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, so The other thing is Bella keeps dragging Charlie along. She has known from the get -go. that she has to fake her death and then all the Cullens have to pick up and leave Forks.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: because she can't risk being seen. And so Charlie and Renee have to think that she died. She can't. Also, as a newborn, she's supposed to be like rabid with thirst. So she can't be around him, even if, you know.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They want to say like, oh yeah, she just got like a facelift or something, but everything is fine. She will kill Charlie. Like that's the assumption.
Shireen: Mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But she won't do it. As always, Bella is incredibly selfish and she doesn't want to deal with the guilt of hurting Charlie. and making him feel bad about losing her. So she keeps calling him, keeps talking to him, keeps dragging him along. I'm going to a spa in Switzerland. No, you're not.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Instead of just like having a clean break. and saying like yep i died that's it i'm gone she keeps dragging it out and like making it worse for the inevitable what we think is the inevitable she has to fake her death and die and never see him again.
Shireen: Yeah. The whole... The entirety of. like charlie knowing as well i know we're kind of skipping a little bit but That whole thing just didn't sit right with me the way it was written.
Shireen: It's like, so he's just okay not asking questions? So he's just okay, like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Vampires feel like marble. And I love in the movie that when he hugs her. You can tell that he can. Tell she feels different. but also like Ask questions.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Do you want me to break your heart right now?
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He makes that face because he's a cop and he knows what dead bodies feel like.
Shireen: Oh my god, I forgot. I just got the chills.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So he like.
Shireen: But isn't she... Heart.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He knows she -
Shireen: which is rigor mortis.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: he knows she's like dead somehow.
Shireen: DEATH. But she's there. Ugh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: The whole thing just gives me the heebie jeebies.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. also that the whole plan just i know we'll we're skipping but like that whole concept of like Charlie having things like need to know works a lot better with book Charlie. Because book Charlie is obtuse and like. negligent as a parent and never really paid that much attention to Bella and is always like like just grumbling and muttering stuff under his breath and like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: it's fine for book charlie because he never really paid attention anyways so if he all he knows is that Bella is still here and in his life and he's got a granddaughter that he gets to hang out with. That's good enough for him. But movie Charlie is a lot more suspicious, a lot more protective of Bella, a lot more invested in Bella's health and well -being. And so it doesn't.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: sit quite right in the movie because movie Charlie is a better parent than book Charlie.
Shireen: Yeah, agreed.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's what I am.
Shireen: I love movie Charlie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: thinking. Love movie Charlie. movie Charlie, movie Carlisle, yeah.
Shireen: Okay. Also, side tangent, have you seen Nurse Jackie?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. a little bit.
Shireen: I can't look at... Carlisle the same after that. I just can't
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I haven't seen enough of it to know what you're talking about.
Shireen: He plays, he's again, I feel like they really tight cast people because they pick arenas.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: actress and she plays a vampire on Vampire Diaries. or true blood?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm Mhm.
Shireen: And Peter. Fanuccelli?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Facinellia.
Shireen: Wow, I was not even close.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You were close.
Shireen: I was eh eh I say the pasta.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You switch the C and the N.
Shireen: Yeah. He... In Nurse Jackie, he plays a doctor as well, but he is insane. sufferable.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: off.
Shireen: absolutely insufferable he's an idiot he's stupid he can't take a clue and then you get him
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not my Carlisle?
Shireen: Not my Carlisle. Then you get Carlisle. And you're like, ooh, that's daddy right there.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: But I'm still seeing notes of that character that you played.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh no.
Shireen: And it's just... It's funny.
Shireen: I like it, Ms.
Shireen: Carlisle.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Love, Carla. So... Edward. is still on the terminate the pregnancy. train. right up until he can start to hear the baby's thoughts. The baby is developed enough that he can hear.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Their thoughts and then he's like, oh Just kidding. We got to see this through. We got to figure out how to somehow have this baby and not let Bella die and, you know, make it work out because now.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like, whenever he can start hearing their thoughts, that's when the baby becomes a person to him.
Shireen: Yes it is.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Versus Bella. been saying like no this is my child from the moment she figured it out.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She... Bella's like name. situation. is absolutely ridiculous.
Shireen: It'll be EJ if it's a boy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like...
Shireen: Edward Jacob Knoll.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Obviously, like... No, you can't.
Shireen: Why are we - doing that?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You can't name your kid after your ex. What are we talking about? And you're like, oh, we never dated. Shut up.
Shireen: You strung him along for a very long time.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: A very long time.
Shireen: You kissed him.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You can't, like... Right. How do you think Edward is going to feel about calling his kid Edward Jacob for the rest of - eternity.
Shireen: Eternity.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Because even if say let's let's say that this child wasn't going to end up being immortal.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. We don't we don't know. It could still be mostly human and have a human lifespan and die. right
Shireen: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: for the rest of y 'all's existence, you're gonna talk about that child. So... for forever, at least for you guys. you're going to have to talk about Edward Jacob. Because you know Bella's not just going to call him Edward Jr.
Shireen: No.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: or Eddie or Ed or something else.
Shireen: Or EJ.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's good. or EJ, it's going to be Edward Jacob.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So Edward now has to deal with Edward Jacob for the rest of his existence.
Shireen: Also...
Shireen: Like why can't she come up with a name on her own? Like every name that she picked was someone else's name created.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: into its own little thing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: I'm sorry but Renesmee
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Is so crazy to me. Like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's horrendous.
Shireen: Explaining that to my mother. was so difficult like oh yeah so uh renee and esme and she came up with And my mom's just like, okay. I'm gonna go to bed
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, and honestly, valid.
Shireen: Yeah, that's where she drew the line.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Real. She's like, I've had enough of this, actually. I can get behind vampires and werewolves, but Renesmee can't do it.
Shireen: Quick little tidbit. My mother is Team Benjamin.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Valid.
Shireen: Rami Malek.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She's real for that.
Shireen: Yeah, I asked her.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She's real for that.
Shireen: I was like, so what team are you on? Edward or Jacob? She goes. I'm team Romy Malek.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Amen.
Shireen: Okay, and then Steven's Team Jacob.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's the correct answer.
Shireen: Because werewolves are cool.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. That's the correct answer.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, so. Bella's thinking of her stupid, terrible names. Jacob is tricking Sam's pack to let... Of course, we have to get the doctor out of the house right before the rest of the scene just for the plot.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Carlisle, Esme.
Shireen: Ridiculous.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Emmett. and Jasper. And Alice, no, not Alice, but Jasper.
Shireen: No, no.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Go hunting because Alice and Rose are here.
Shireen: Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: at the house. So they all, Jacob tricks Sam's pack. He's like, you know, he's giving his whole, as soon as it's born, like, I'll kill it myself, you know, type deal. But it's all just a distraction to let the vampires out so they can go hunting.
Shireen: Mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: In the meantime, back in the house. So Jacob comes, it goes fine. Everything's good. Jacob comes back and then Bella like drops her cup of blood.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And she tries to bend over and catch it. And her spine snaps.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: That was so disgusting to watch dude.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's what I'm saying. This is a horror movie.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like the body horror in this film is... like next level. So her spine snaps, she lands on her knees. Yes. They're like freaking out. Edward doesn't know. They're on the phone with Carlisle.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They're like, I think the placenta is detached. Like we have to get the baby out. Rosalie's not helping. She's like, he's suffocating. And the bell's like, get him out. It's a very intense scene. Everybody's yelling at each other.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So Rosalie just... they're trying to get morphine and Edward says, you gotta wait for the morphine. And Rosalie's like, no, he's suffocating. And Bella's freaking out, like save the baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Rosalie just grabs a scalpel and just slices right into Bella. And then she's like, oh shit, human blood.
Shireen: That was crazy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's crazy. Who would have thought?
Shireen: Nom nom nom.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then Alice has to tackle Rosalie out of the room. while Edward and Jacob are left to deliver this baby. And Jacob's like, you have to turn her. You have to save her. And he's like, I can't turn her while the baby's in there.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So I got to get the baby out. So he continues to slice her open, get the baby out. We discover that it is, in fact, Renesmee and not Edward Jacob.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, he uses his teeth and rips her open.
Shireen: because that's That's the only thing that can break the placenta because it's so strong.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Yes. Yep.
Shireen: That was... Good. Watching him, yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So now Edward So now Robert Pattinson gets up and he's got blood all over his fricking face holding this bloody baby. In his arms, he's like, oh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's Renesmee.
Shireen: Listen.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And she's like, wow, it's so beautiful.
Shireen: Bloody three month old.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Flatline. Right, bloody three -month -old, not a newborn. Can't have a newborn. Ha ha. Yeah. Which like for the purposes of making a movie, obviously you can't use an actual newborn, but like.
Shireen: Yeah, but like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Crazy.
Shireen: That was hilarious. And then yeah, she just... Guys, God.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: dies. Stop. Just stops moving.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Rosalie gathers herself. The only thing more important to Rosalie than... Drinking human blood. in that moment. is there's a baby so she she gathers herself it's like i can take the baby she takes the baby and immediately starts like i'm your real mom now because bella's dead
Shireen: anything else?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then Edward.
Shireen: My dream has come true.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, and then Edward just starts. stabbing Bella in the heart with a needle full of his venom and then biting her all over her body to get as much venom in her as possible.
Shireen: Oh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Jacob's pissed. He's like, get that thing away from me. It's... it's a horror scene and like there's blood everywhere bella still looks like a freaking skeleton this is i believe this is where the mannequin comes in i thank god because if she actually lost that much weight that should be a crime for her to lose that much weight for a movie so i'm glad that it was some sort of cgi situation
Shireen: mm -hmm
Shireen: Yeah.
Shireen: And them doing the CPR on the mannequin.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh, God.
Shireen: That was horrific to watch that was just like you I don't like the way that that thing is moving right now
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. well and like you can hear her freaking ribs cracking
Shireen: which is
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like...
Shireen: Good CPR. Good job, Edward.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Quality CPR, but also, like, she can't take any more broken bones. Yeah.
Shireen: Yeah. Also really fast. How do we think? that they got Edward's venom in that thing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I assume the way you would like if you were collecting samples from like a snake or something.
Shireen: Oh he just keeps biting.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not like milking it. Yes. Yeah.
Shireen: Yeah, that was our first question was like, oh, we just had like a vial of your venom. What are you doing? Like every night just before bed, you're like. and then excrete your venom
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I think so? Well, because I don't know how much it's... willful. you know like i don't know if it's like a thing that he can consciously think of like okay expel venom
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: or if it like or vice versa if it automatically does that and he can like hold it back. that's not really explained too much so i'm actually not sure but i'm i believe every time you bite it comes out so if you can like trick your body like if you're just like or even like two of them.
Shireen: True.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then it'll... get into the vials that way. I don't know.
Shireen: I like your answer more because Stephen and I were both like, oh, he milked himself.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Through his teeth.
Shireen: Yeah, I don't know what he was doing at night. He was like getting the venom out.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh my god.
Shireen: I want to get into so bad. Like the little. uh, like things that Stephanie didn't think of.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: when she's writing the book.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, Stephanie didn't think of a lot.
Shireen: wasn't really thinking of a whole lot of specifics here.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No she was not, bless her heart. Okay. mm -hmm Yeah. uh everything's bloody so sam so then like jacob comes out he thinks bella's dead he's not sure if the venom will save her Sam's pack is monitoring situation. They think that Bella is dead and the baby has been born.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So they run back. They're like, we're gonna attack. Jacob. you know. sees Red he goes to kill Renesmee himself and then that's where we get the scene that we talked about earlier where he just we get the voiceover of like everything changes everything shifts your whole center of gravity it's like all these threads tying you to the earth and they all get cut away it's just one thread.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: low -key Very romantic.
Shireen: Mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like... as a concept. in this particular context. Not so great. because she's literally a newborn.
Shireen: Not so great when he's looking at... A baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: a horribly CGI baby at that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Yeah.
Shireen: And it's just looking at him like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: Oh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I know who you are.
Shireen: You like me.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. So he goes in ready to kill her and then imprints on her. This... And then the movie adds a little fight scene where the Cullens come back, the wolves are here to kill the baby because they think the baby killed Bella.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: There's, you know, they do actually fight. There's this one moment where I think it's Sam is like over Alice and like chomping at her, trying to get her. And it's actually scary as hell.
Shireen: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: especially alice you know she's she's so small and vain pants like but she can't her advantage of predicting their moves is taken with the wolves so she just gets pinned It's very scary, very dangerous.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then Jacob comes out and he's like, you kill her, you kill me. And then that's when Edward reads his mind and is like, oh, he imprinted on. renesme that's their most absolute law like that is like of all like the treaty and this and that the only rule that all wolves universally obey without question is you do not kill the person that another wolf has imprinted on.
Shireen: And I love. Like when you think about it deeper. Because they could easily just be like, you know what, screw that law because this thing is going to kill people. But at the end, like...
Shireen: you kill Renesmee, he can then go ahead and kill Emily.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Shireen: and he can kill everyone else's person so they really have to take a moment of like Oh. I really cannot touch this child and how hard that must have been.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: to think.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I mean...
Shireen: I can't murder the...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's basically like the nuclear option. Yeah.
Shireen: Yeah. If I murder that fresh baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Whoa.
Shireen: Then all of everything I love dies.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And also like. Yes, but and also like the. the devast we don't know the devastation that it would wreak just like on jacob like you know he's because he says you kill her you kill me Is he being legit with that? is that literally how it would work is that if the object because If you think about the imagery that Stephanie Meyer provides, like all other...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: links to the world are cut away except for that. So if that last link is cut, What happens? to him.
Shireen: True.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You know what I mean?
Shireen: Is he saying...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So like it might.
Shireen: that you...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: it might actually be that he would die
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: that case.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Or it would just be so incredibly painful to lose that person that you never recover. And then, yeah, you go crazy and you start killing other people's.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: imprintees and then yeah like you said you know it's the nuclear option where like i don't want the I don't want my girl.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: you know, to be harmed so I can't harm his girl.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We don't know. Stephanie didn't, another thing that Stephanie didn't think about.
Shireen: Let's just get her on really fast.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, let me just call her out. Hey Steph!
Shireen: stuff we got
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Can you come answer some questions for us, please?
Shireen: We've got some plot holes we'd like to talk about.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. So the movie ends. with we see the depiction. At this point in the book, we switch back to Bella's point of view.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and it's just fire she's like there's fire in my veins she's conscious the whole time And at first she like. can't move she can hear edward talking to her she can hear carlisle saying like you listen to her heartbeat like it's the venom is working it's gonna be okay and so she's like aware of what's happening to her and she also is debating like if i
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Move? at all. If I twitch a finger, I'm going to start screaming and thrashing and writhing around. And it's going to be horrifying. And I don't want Edward to have to see that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So I'm just going to lay here and not move and pretend like the morphine that I had before the venom. worked and that it because that they were going to experiment anyways with morphine and see like if we give her morphine and put her to sleep before we start the transformation will that help with the pain mitigate the pain the answer is no
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Shireen: Mhm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: The venom burned through that immediately. She just somehow like her. I guess it's a foreshadowing of her like super self -control with like smelling humans and stuff. But she just decides, nope, I'm not moving. I'm just going to endure this all in my head.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And it's just.
Shireen: She truly...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: fire.
Shireen: from the beginning has always been like a superhuman. And I think Stephanie has been foreshadowing this since.
Shireen: the first book. Of like when Bella gets changed. She is going to be so different. than any other vampire out there and this is how I'm going to show you like she doesn't even move and everyone else said that they were
Shireen: dying. during their transformation it was the worst time of their life they still remember it
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm.
Shireen: But Bella's just like, well, I'm just going to lay here and hope it ends soon.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: Queen.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, honestly respect like just the actual in a very real sense though, like the self -control that she has to just... I mean, in all sorts of ways, right? Like to just sit there.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and take it and not Move, not screen.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: is huge and then the self -control in the middle of a hunt you know, in the beginning of the next movie. to be like oh there's a human being there and We show him scratching his leg.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He's got an open wound. He's actively bleeding. And she's like. I don't want to hurt him. Get me out of here.
Shireen: I could know him.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like.
Shireen: I could know him personally.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: That's...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: that shows the difference and Edwards just, and this is where I had the issue. Because Book Edward is so... his personality shows he's like wow that was amazing like you You astound me.
Shireen: And then.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: movie Edward is just kind of like Wow.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Look at her go.
Shireen: That was awesome. Cool.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: It's like... Can we talk about more? how much self -control.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mhm.
Shireen: this newborn vampire has.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, and I wish they had talked more about Jasper's reaction in the movie because Jasper is taking this very hard.
Shireen: Because he was nothing like that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And. Yes. Well, and he wasn't... prepared ahead of like Bella came into this with a lot of advantages and knowing what she was getting herself into knowing how bad newborns can be and being able to like mentally prepare against it Versus Jasper had none of those things and he was actually encouraged to be as feral as possible.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. But... He also just... Jasper still struggles with self -control. And so the fact that Bella as a newborn isn't struggling at all.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's very jarring for him. And I wish we had gotten like. I guess you can say there was no time. But again, this movie was only an hour and 55 minutes. So I feel like there was time to have a couple of lines of at least Edward explaining to Bella, just like he does in the book of like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Jasper. You're changing Jasper's whole mindset. on everything because he thought that it had to be this way and you're proving that it doesn't have to be that way that you can just decide i'm not going to do that and not do it
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and That's world shattering for him.
Shireen: I do wish that. the movies gave us more Jasper if we got I wish a lot of things I wish that we got more of Alice and Bella's relationship I feel like the movies did they glossed over that but in the books they're such best friends it's almost
Shireen: neck and neck. With Edward. Like, the relationship, who's she closer to, Edward or Alice?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Alice's relationship with Charlie.
Shireen: And Jasper.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh, meaning that book Charlie has a crush on Alice and it's very uncomfortable?
Shireen: Basically, and he's like I really like that girl And then yeah, Jasper. I feel like Jasper in the book has... so much more to give to the storyline like with his power
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Shireen: That makes me sad that we skipped out on Jasper.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: I really like Jasper's character.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Even though he's a confederate.
Shireen: That. That part.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: volunteer confederate mind you
Shireen: That part. Why are we... Why did she choose that? Set.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Great question.
Shireen: hold on let me just really quick stephanie what was that about why did you choose confederate soldier
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: over all things.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, we talked about it in our eclipse episode. And so just a quick recap for everybody, but like. if you wanted him to be from the south because that's where you wanted like the newborn battles to take place that's fine you didn't have to pick 1861 girl
Shireen: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You could have picked 100 years before or 100 years after.
Shireen: I would have really loved.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But I guess you needed some sort of war to cover the fact that there was all this, you know. stuff happening but like you could have picked the Mexican -American War or the War of 1812. There's a lot of different situations you could have chosen. You didn't. you specifically chose.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: to have Jasper. be in the Confederate Army and not even be there. volunteer and lie about his age to get in their early. Because you could have also said that he was poor and conscripted.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And he was forced into it. He didn't believe in the cause. He just had no choice, whatever. You chose to have him volunteer early.
Shireen: She made it his
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's crazy.
Shireen: personality for sure she made it a part of his character arc and it doesn't make sense
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Yes.
Shireen: in the rest of the story why that was chosen.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: That was more of just like a Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It... it was unnecessary
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It was unnecessary. Anyways. Let's wrap up part one. The fire in Bella's veins. and we get the iconic ending of her opening with the red eyes.
Shireen: And I'm getting chills right now just thinking about it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right?
Shireen: I love that last like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And then you're just like, oh shit.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: We're about to get down.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: and then it stops you're like oh wow i have to wait but only a year
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Only a year.
Shireen: How amazing that was that we didn't have to wait that long between parts.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I'm pretty sure they filmed.
Shireen: But how exhausting.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: as much like most of it like all at the same time yeah or they just continued filming like straight through
Shireen: Yeah.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. But I mean, they were putting these out like back to back. It was like one a year. or a year and a half from the first one to the end. It was a very quick turnaround for these.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: really capitalized on. the moment you know it's not like today where you get a movie like oh that was so good we should make a sequel and then it's five years later that you get the sequel and nobody cares anymore
Shireen: Yeah. We also just like don't make original movies anymore.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Dutch. that's true
Shireen: But also this isn't an original movie either.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not as much.
Shireen: So.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Shireen: It's off a book still.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, but most movies are based off of books. as as i'm learning doing this podcast like like oh my god that's based off a book that's crazy
Shireen: Chug chug.
Shireen: Yeah.
Shireen: It's the... what do you call it? The blueprint. basically right there.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm.
Shireen: They gave you everything.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, pretty much. Yep. Part one also has a post credit scene of the Volturi getting the wedding notification that You know, Bella's married. They've joined. She's joined the family.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and this is kind of their sign that you know hey she'll be turning
Shireen: Mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: soon slash now. And that's the end of part one. And we move straight into part two where we wake up. Honestly, the intro credits were incredible for no reason.
Shireen: Loved it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: gorgeous like watching it again another like visualization of the venom turning her so like even the font like it changes from like red to white or white to red but even the like
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: font changes and it's They just went off for no reason.
Shireen: They ate. They knew what they were doing. They were like, hey, this is the last one. has to be good and with how much they cut out of the book I feel like they had to use those little things.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Done.
Shireen: to really embody the feeling. of because the book takes
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: a good amount of time explaining where she's at while she's being changed.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And the movie gave you like maybe a minute clip of her.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Absolutely.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: battling inside and then it shows her weird decrepit body.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: ugh and then when she becomes like more vampire in her ribs like come back together.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, her spine.
Shireen: You're so right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: gets fixed.
Shireen: that was a physical horror.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Tom. So she wakes up. She sees Edward. She wants to see Renesmee and Edward's like, Aren't you thirsty, girl?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And she's like, oh, shit.
Shireen: Yeah. You should eat.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, you're right. She wasn't, though. She wasn't thinking about it. And I guess that's kind of the thing she explains like with Newhorn or maybe it's just with her. But newborns like are very easily distracted. So she's like, oh, what about this? What about that? Look at this. Check that out. Like her mind is bouncing all over the place. And so she's able to.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: because her mind is not able to focus too well on any one thing. unless she's actively thinking about her thirst. it gets pushed to the back of her mind she doesn't notice it really like as soon as edward says aren't you thirsty she's like oh my god yeah i'm dying like i need to
Shireen: Now my throat's ablaze.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes, but it wasn't before. She wasn't even aware of it before. She was just so fascinated by seeing the grain of the wood on the walls.
Shireen: I do love that, that little part where it's just showing how
Sarah-Daye McDougall: uh
Shireen: In tune. She is with all of her new senses.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Because what an exciting thing. to be changed into a vampire and all of a sudden
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: the glasses come off and everything. is richer and louder and beautiful.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yes.
Shireen: I did love the way that the movie portrayed it
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Yeah, like zooming in and zooming in and zooming in again. It's done really well. It's really cool.
Shireen: Yeah. Very proud of the movie makers.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes, good job guys. So they do go on their first hunt. She's trying to get a deer and then she gets distracted. This is like a freaking old Looney Tunes like pie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: smell in front of her she's like what's that and then it's a human hiker on a mountain and she goes and
Shireen: alone.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Start spider monkeying.
Shireen: Oh my god, Stephen and I were like, could you imagine? First of all, this guy's just out here. It kind of looked like he was free climbing. I could be wrong, but...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: alone. You're asking to be killed.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: You know vampires are there.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: You're like, you're bait, baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Shireen: And then secondly, like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: You look down. It's just this beautiful woman. Blue drones just...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Chloe?
Shireen: Up to you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Way off the sideline.
Shireen: That's... scared me. I was like no I don't like that at all. and that he's grapes his knee and she's
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I don't like it at all either.
Shireen: Yeah, that whole scene was so funny.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: In a classic Twilight, this is funny, but also I hate it type of way.
Shireen: Which is like... kind of. the entirety of the movie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Pretty much.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So, yes. And then Edward's like, you know. trying to distract her and she even herself is like you got to get me out of here like i don't want to do this and she resists and so then they go and she kills a mountain lion she's very proud of herself she's gets in the book she gets self -conscious because she like her dress gets torn up by the mountain lion and her hair's a mess and edward you know killed a deer and he looks perfect it's like well
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mountain lion versus deer, but sure. Yeah, whatever.
Shireen: Sure. Go ahead honey.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay. But she... Gets her first hunt. She's excited. And then she's like, okay, I want to meet Renesmee now.
Shireen: Hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And. So they go back. The CGI baby is worse than I remembered. But. Jacob is like, you know, we got to test her out first. Like, I don't want her near he's, you know, he imprinted, he's very protective. He's like, I don't want her near Renesmee.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Or Nessie. until I can
Shireen: Her mother.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Her mother. But her mother, who is supposed to or again, Bella is breaking the mold on what a newborn vampire is supposed to be like. Right. So nobody's ever seen. Even the other vampires have never seen a newborn vampire.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: be as in control of themselves as Bella is. And even Jacob had experience with the newborn vampires from Eclipse that they fought against. Right.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So everybody has this preconceived notion of what newborn vampires are like. And so the precautions that they take with her. are perfectly reasonable. The problem is that Bella, she's not like other girls. She's special.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so she actually doesn't need to worry about that things because she can just decide I'm not going to hurt her anybody and everything's going to be fine. You know?
Shireen: And it also him doing that kind of starts hinting at us that she's mortal. to some extent. Like I don't trust her around this half mortal baby. She has blood running through her veins.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep.
Shireen: So it's kind of a little like, ooh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Something's going on here. Yeah.
Shireen: Something's different.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So, yeah, because if she was a whole vampire baby, then it wouldn't be a problem because she is a vampire and Bella can hurt her.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: but yeah there's something going on so jacob's like you know you gotta do a test run with me They hug it out like they're good. And then. You know? Jacob makes a comment about Nessie, and then we get the iconic meme, YOU NICKNAMED MY DAUGHTER AFTER THE LOCKNESS MONSTER?!
Shireen: Absolutely.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So funny. So funny.
Shireen: hilarious. And I would love to be on set that day to hear Kristen Stewart and what she thought about that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Because the delivery? Perfect. Incredible.
Shireen: Perfect. amazing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: 10 out of 10, no notes.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's one of the biggest memes of the franchise. there aren't really that many memes in eclipse there's not really any memes in Part one.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But...
Shireen: Most of them.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Other. But most of them are from Twilight and New Moon. And then you get this. banger here.
Shireen: And there's quite a few coming up too.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Oh yeah. So then... Bella is like attacking Jacob. Jacob's not defending himself. He doesn't want to antagonize her further. Seth jumps in. She hurts Seth. And then she's like, oh, shoot, like I.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: hurt Seth, like not precious baby Seth.
Shireen: He loves that. Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So she feels bad. She calms down. She goes and meets Renesmee, everything. goes perfectly well and fine because Bella's got
Shireen: She touches her little face.
Shireen: She says.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Look I remember being in your uterus.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. And also look how terrible you used to look when I was. killing you from the inside out.
Shireen: Okay. Oh, hey, what's up? You're back. uh
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Hey.
Shireen: No, quite literally. And my thought process was, how did you know what she looked? Well, she did come out and look at her, I guess.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, she saw her for like a half second.
Shireen: Yeah, that's true. Okay, never mind. My issue was like, how did she know what she looked like when she was... pregnant with her. You were inside her. But...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Hmm.
Shireen: I love, I love Messi's little power. It's Arlo backwards.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: I think that's so cool
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. yeah and then so the rest of the cullens have made a cottage in the woods for this new subsect of cullens to live in.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So Bella and Edward take Nessie. There. I have to call her Nessie because Renesmee is such a stupid name.
Shireen: but also in the book like Bella calls her Nessie, too.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bella eventually gives in and calls her Nessie, but she But only when like literally everybody else does it.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like Jacob started it. But then like even Edward calls her Nessie at some point. And that's when she's like, you too? Like, fine, I guess we can call her Nessie. But it's like.
Shireen: i mean
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Nessie is a better, like, yeah, Nessie is the Loch Ness monster, but it's also. like for When we see with her fake papers later, like Vanessa, like. Nessie is better than Renesmee.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's your fault you picked a stupid name, so now you have to deal with - the nickname.
Shireen: Mm hmm. We'll blame the hormones.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Sorry. That's fine.
Shireen: Did she even have hormones while she was pregnant? I don't even know she was pregnant for
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It was happening so fast, who knows?
Shireen: a minute. That's also something that I had a hard time with in the movie was After Nessie's born, we don't really get to know the timeline of how long it's been taking her to grow.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm.
Shireen: It's kind of just like she wakes up and we know it's been a few days and then some time goes on and she's getting bigger and bigger. But I want to know the timeline. How long did that? take for her to reach that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They talk about it. They talk about it more in the book.
Shireen: Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They measure her like four times a day. And so her growth rate was really, really fast. And then as time has gone on, it slowed. down.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So where she was growing like. six inches a day and then it's three inches a day then it's two then it's one now it's half an inch now it's just barely like it's just barely noticeable and then we find out flushing forward all the way to the end the other half vampire half human person that we meet.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He finds that he was fully grown, fully matured after seven years of life.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So she probably is going to stay this like. looking like she's a seven or eight years old she's probably gonna look like that for sometime as she grows up and then peak at like mid -20s.
Shireen: Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: type deal.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But they do talk about it a little bit more in depth in the book of her growth rate.
Shireen: I just wish they did a little bit more in the movie. Like they could have shown like how. In the movie, in a... forget yeah any clips when he leaves her
Sarah-Daye McDougall: In New Moon, he leaves her.
Shireen: New moon, thank you. That's where I'm at. And she's sitting in the chair and it shows. The seasons go by. I would have appreciated the movies to show what time was actually going by while she was growing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And it takes them how long to bring everyone else in.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I think it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because the cottage is given at... her birthday, September 13th. And then it's after Christmas that the Volturi come. So there's at least three months.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: in between everything because the wedding was August 13th.
Shireen: Everything happens so fast.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So from the wedding. to Bella's birthday. they have the honeymoon she's pregnant she gives birth she dies she becomes a vampire
Shireen: All within a month.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then. all within a month And then from that point to I'm not sure exactly how long, but sometime post Christmas. I think it's only like a couple of days after Christmas.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: is when the Volturi come. So it's like three months from the time Nessie is born until the Volturi comes like three months. And so she's grown from newborn to about eight years old.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: in three months and that's after like i said like exponential growth and then slowing down.
Shireen: How dare Stephanie Myers take that away from Bella? it's already such a
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, like the newborn time.
Shireen: yeah, it's already such a short time when you have kids. And she went, oh, let's just go ahead and make it even faster. Even though this was something that Steve and I were talking about as well. Vampires don't age anymore. So why did we choose?
Shireen: for a bit baby half vampire half mortal to actually age. faster than normal. When in reality, I feel like it should have taken longer.
Shireen: because they don't age so like the vampire part of her should have slowed her aging down So we were saying she should have been pregnant for like five years.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And then that baby should be... But then the immortal children come into play if the baby did stay young for long. Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. I think that, and then also again, just like. headcanon of mine. is Like usually because you can't like the immortal children are bad like The vampire. Like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Ness. Like you want to be a mature. human before you become a vampire ideally like you like or at least like you can't have a child because they can't control themselves so you have to get to a point where
Shireen: Mhm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: even if you're a newborn struggling with self -control and with controlling your thirst, you still have some faculties to be able to do so. And so I think like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They just want to get you to that point to pass. in society as quickly as possible and so there's some sort of because it's all supernatural so it's all kind of like woo woo magic -y so i think like the vampire magic is like no we need to be able to exist in society.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: as easily, as smoothly as possible. And it's a lot easier to exist in society as an adult than as a baby or as a child.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and so you know if we want to be hidden we need to be able to be in control of our own lives and destinies and so let's You screwed it up. become an adult and then you know kind of go from there then you get hey you get to live the rest of your existence in peak physical form
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Cheers! Have fun!
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You know?
Shireen: If only.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Anyways...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Back to it. So the Cullens now, they think everything's hunky dory. They're preparing to leave. Okay, Bella's a vampire now. She looks very different like we she can't be seen around town now because she looks different we have to leave. We have to go. We have to pack it all up.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: hey i know we just built you this beautiful cottage in the woods but we actually have to leave
Shireen: Why did they do that? That was something I thought of. Why would you create this beautiful cottage?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Stunning.
Shireen: for you guys to just have to relocate.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, because eventually they'll come back, right? Like they come back to Forks every hundred years or so as soon as everybody who knew them dies.
Shireen: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. So... you know. eventually they'll come back and then it can be used but whatever. So they're all talking about leaving and Jacob's like, Can't have that. Not on my watch.
Shireen: It is.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So he goes. What? The scene in the movie is so funny to me.
Shireen: It's so crazy, dude Ugh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: literally exposes himself to Charlie.
Shireen: Starts taking off.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He starts taking his clothes off.
Shireen: Charlize!
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He's shirtless. He's taking his pants off.
Shireen: Hey buddy!
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Charlie's... Horrified.
Shireen: Let's put our clothes back on.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Horrified. Charlie is...
Shireen: You're a minor.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Charlie is... Horrified. and jacob just turns into a wolf right right in front of him and charlie's like so in the movie we actually get to see this in the book we don't see this jacob just comes back he's like hey by the way i took care of our charlie problem But I'm very glad that the movie decided to show us this. I think they needed to because like Charlie's, Billy Burke's face is. incredible.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Jacob stripping in front of him is so funny. I... Love that. And so.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like, they basically have this whole, like, Charlie and Jacob have this whole conversation. Or Jacob's like. you don't live in the world that you thought you lived in. There's crazy stuff going on, especially right here in Forks.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And, you know. Bella is different. but you still get to see her and be in her life and you know all of that but you know there's some stuff that you need to know like Bella's here and you can be with her and they have a niece who they've adopted so you have like kind of a granddaughter there's stuff that you don't need to know.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so just don't even worry about it. It's fine. You'll be capped on a need to know basis. And book Charlie is like. Okay fine. Like he... He's just cool to roll with that and deal with that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Book Charlie or movie Charlie is a little bit more suspicious, a little bit more like what happened to my kid? Where's Bella? We get that terrible scene of him hugging her and him being like, oh, she's dead.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She's cold and like. like you said, the rigor mortis, like her body, it's hard. Her skin is hard, like marble, like she's dead, but she's alive, but she's Not alive.
Shireen: Do you think?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Something is wrong.
Shireen: There was a moment Charlie thought maybe she's a zombie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, I mean...
Shireen: Not a vampire.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Of all the options, like...
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: it's certainly possible i mean shit he just saw that werewolves are real
Shireen: But does he even know if it's a werewolf?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: you know, or or a shapeshifter there's something he just saw jacob turn into a wolf so he knows that there's freaky stuff happening and so he knows again he knows that bella is
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bella but not Bella. And. there's this little girl who now looks exactly like Bella and Edward.
Shireen: She has her eyes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, he's like, and his, and his.
Shireen: But she's your niece?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: charlie's hair like in the books they're like curls they're like oh yeah charlie she has your curls
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Put the pieces together, but they don't explicitly tell him Because you can't explain that to Charlie.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And he can't know about vampires because then the Volturi will want to kill him.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. So like you can't ever explicitly say, yeah, we're vampires, but don't tell anybody because. If the Volturi find out that he needs to, then Charlie's going to have to die, right?
Shireen: Yeah, he's in danger.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Can't do that. So... But. bella again being selfish, can't let him go, can't deal with her own guilt of you know abandoning charlie this way so jacob's like i solved your problem Now you can keep Charlie and be around.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He can see Bella. He can see Nessie. He can, you know. We can all be a big happy family. Everything's fine.
Shireen: But that doesn't make up for the rest of the town.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You're welcome.
Shireen: Like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No.
Shireen: hey she still knows people here like the reason we're leaving is because she knows everyone here
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: and they can't see her and they can't see this child like we're trying to save you all
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well, so that's what I think that's why they have this story of, you know. Edwards. long lost siblings. You know, because if he's... Carlisle's foster child, then it's not impossible that he had a sibling who was fostered to a different family.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: that person that's the story they're going is that that person had a kid and that kid is nessie And so as the. next is the only remaining living kin edward had to take her in and so he and bella are taking her in.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Now, if you see Bella and Nessie next to each other and be like, oh, those are literally twins. Yeah, tough.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But brown eyes, brown hair is not that uncommon in the world.
Shireen: Sure.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: See ya. So he, yeah, he, this. point charlie is just like well my daughter is here i still get to see her and talk to her
Shireen: Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: even though some weird is happening, and I have a granddaughter, and he just gets to be happy dad, happy grandpa. He's good.
Shireen: And he's got his new wife. his new lady.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep. His new girlfriend, Sue.
Shireen: Does that? Okay, so this just clicked for me. Does that now make Seth? And Leah. her step siblings?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: Because... Clear water.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. That is Seth and Leah's mother. They are not.
Shireen: baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: In the book they are not ever explicitly said to be dating or married.
Shireen: Yeah, they just kind of... insinuate.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But he's living alone now that Bella's gone. Her husband, Harry, died of a heart attack in New Moon.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so they've been spending a lot of time together.
Shireen: They go on a fishing trip together.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They go on the fishing trip together. Bella makes the point that Billy and Charlie seem tense because I think Billy also has a crush on Sue. and is trying to swoop in so they don't really talk about that in the movie but in the book they she mentions like billy and charlie are grown men they can deal with their problems themselves
Shireen: I never caught that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: because they both you know want to swoop in on this widow But you know, there's only one widow to go around so
Shireen: Sorry boys.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: For me. So... Charlie does come over to me. to see Bella and meet Nessie. Bella and Edward are like freaking out because they're like, if he knows about vampires and the Volturi will kill him also.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: like yeah bella's got crazy good self -control but there's also a difference between You know seeing a hiker on a mountain where there's like fresh air everywhere and being trapped in the house four feet away from a human. And Edward's trying to explain, like, it's not just like a desire, like it's physically painful for Bella to be near.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And for all of them to be near a human for that long. And Jacob's like, oh, my bad. Anyways, he'll be here in 10 minutes.
Shireen: Thanks Jake.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because it's too late. He's already like done that.
Shireen: Mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But... That all wraps up pretty fine. And then we get the arm wrestling scene. Bella beats Emmett. they don't really talk about the bet in the movie but we talked about that in the book they bet that And it will keep his mouth shut about her and Edward's sex life.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Then they start talking like, okay. We sent the wedding invitation to Aro. Aro has sent a necklace back to Bella saying we look forward to meeting the new Mrs. Cullen very soon.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So they're like, okay, Bella needs to go to Italy to prove to Aro that she's a vampire. right, to get them off their backs. Nobody else can go with her because Aro would be able to read everybody else's thoughts.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and see about Nessie and they want to keep Nessie to themselves because they don't know, you know. what her deal is they don't know they've never seen anything like her before it's never it's not common for humans and vampires to have relations and then for those relations to end up in pregnancy because usually the human just gets eaten right away
Shireen: Yeah, they do.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They die. So Bella's like, okay, I'm going to go to Italy. Prove that I'm a vampire. I'll catch up with you guys as you go down to South America into the Amazon to meet like the native tribes and see if any of them know.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: about creatures like Nessie because we had the scene earlier in part one with the housemaid on Isle Esme. Who? is from one of those tribes originally and like knew some like local stories about this type of thing happening she had seen it but she'd heard of it before seen it before
Shireen: Thank you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so... Huh?
Shireen: That always sticks in my head, the way she says dead in Spanish.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: More.
Shireen: Morty.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, Portuguese
Shireen: But thank you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: I'm... I'm doing great
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You're so good. And we got to wrap up soon, so we'll try to just blow through this. Right? You gotta leave soon.
Shireen: Nope, I'm staying home.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oop. Oh!
Shireen: I'm going tomorrow.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay. Okay, great.
Shireen: So you've got me.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Then we can just stay here for three hours.
Shireen: I'm having Stephen bring me coffee.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh boy. So that's the plan. They have the plan. They're going to split up. Everybody's on the same boat. It's smooth. It's chill. It's not a big deal, you guys. Edward's freaking out about sending Bella by herself, but she's like,
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Edward. aura would read your thoughts and know about nessie and we can't have that so like Duh, you can't come.
Shireen: Look at what I've proven. I'm capable of Edward.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Shireen: Like at some point we got to cut the cord.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna be fine.
Shireen: Ciao.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's gonna be okay. So they're like, okay, Carlisle can go, but Carlisle's going to stay in England while she goes to Italy. So he's like kind of close, whatever. all that But then...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Jacob and Nessie and Bella are in the woods and Nessie is jumping up, you know, 50 feet in the air catching snowflakes. And this is when Irina comes back. and again we talked about the difference book and movie her being at the wedding versus not being at the wedding Either way, she's presumably coming back to apologize to the Cullens for her behavior regarding the wedding regarding the werewolves you know, all the things and just be like, Hey, I just want to make amends. Like I was acting a little crazy. That's my bad.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But then she sees Nessie. And then she's like, oh, that's an immortal child. Can't do that. Got to go snitch. So she runs off to the Volturi.
Shireen: flashbacks. Which they don't show until later, but like flashbacks.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: She does this very selfishly. She does this for multiple reasons, in my opinion.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm hmm.
Shireen: It's very... First, I'm pissed still. Like I came to apologize, but I'm still pissed that you're friends with werewolves.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep. Yep.
Shireen: but my mother couldn't and she had to suffer the consequences.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: I'm going to go ahead and push that trauma onto you and you now have to.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm.
Shireen: To deal with what I had to deal with
Sarah-Daye McDougall: All of that, and even if you want to give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she wasn't doing anything selfishly. there is the fact of you know If you know that somebody has created an immortal child and you don't report it, you also get killed.
Shireen: Mmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Like they talk about that. They go into more detail about that in the book. But the only reason that Irina and Tanya and Kate were spared was because they had no idea that their mother. created the child.
Shireen: And be.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: an RO could see that.
Shireen: are okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And that's why they.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: that's why they were allowed to live so if
Shireen: So nuanced.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: If it ever came out that there was an immortal child. And then R .O. found out that Irina knew and didn't report it. Now she's dead too.
Shireen: Yeah, true.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So it's like, yes, I don't disagree with you.
Shireen: Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like all those selfish reasons. But... Another selfish reason is she's like. I don't want to get caught having hidden this, so I'm gonna go be the snitch.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So she goes Alice... eventually sees a vision of the Volturi deciding that All of them are going to come here. The full guard, which has never happened before, that all of them leave Volterra. But all of them are coming. They have made up their minds. They're going to destroy the Cullens and Nessie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: based on Irina's testimony and, like, that's that. So they figure out we need people to witness for us we need people to like we all have witnessed her growth she's not dangerous she hangs out with charlie all the time and sue she's not dangerous to humans
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We know that she is growing. We've watched her grow over these three -ish months that she's been alive. So she's not a true immortal child, but... we need we just need them to listen to us right like they're not going to just change their mind And. you know.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Obey.
Shireen: Sorry, go ahead.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We'll make sure we cut that later.
Shireen: Thank you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I forgot where I was.
Shireen: We were talking about.
Shireen: Oh my gosh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh yeah, they... you know, the Volturi have decided we're going to destroy the Cullens.
Shireen: Yes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No matter what. So they're like, we just need them to listen for like two seconds and then they can see the blood in her cheeks and hear her heartbeat. figure it out you know we just need them to Let us explain and then it'll be fine because this is not what they think it is.
Shireen: Mhm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So. Alice and Jasper take off. They like run. They ask the wolves like, hey, can we pass through your territory to the ocean? And we're just going to swim it. Sam says yes. And then he's like, oh, I shouldn't have let her go. And they're like, no, like if Alice is doing something, like everybody just trusts Alice so much.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: that even though her note says, We're leaving and like no explanation They just are like, no, she's doing something to help us. Like, we don't know what it is, but she's doing something and we trust her.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So her and Jasper disappear. And then everybody else is like, okay, we need to gather witnesses. In the movie, they change it a little bit. In the book, all of the witnesses come to Cullen House.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and meet Renesmee there. In the movie, we get to see Edward, Bella, and Jacob take Renesmee up to Alaska to meet the Denali Coven.
Shireen: Mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: which has
Shireen: and we get to see their beautiful home.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: gorgeous Alaskan home.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And that had the... that come in So Nessie is played by Mackenzie Foy. And the Denali Coven is... oh that we see irena is played by maggie grace Kate is played by Casey LeBeau. Tanya is played by Myanna Bering.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then we also have Carmen and Elazar. Elazar is played by Christian Camargo and Carmen is played by Mia Maestro. So we get to see all of those new vampires up in Alaska. Edward is like, hey, I know you guys have a particular trauma with this. I just need you to have an open mind. Just trust me. Just give me a second. And they're like, you know, Carlisle needs us. So whatever, whatever Carlisle says, like we're here, like we're family, like we've got you, like, you know. Whatever.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Until they see Renesmee and they're like... hiss like no like she's an immortal child you can't believe you've done this like you know our story like why would you do this and then Edward's like,
Sarah-Daye McDougall: You can hear her heartbeat. She's like... It's right there. You can hear it. She's not an immortal child.
Shireen: Amen.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She's grown up. So then... Again, in the book, in the movie, they change it a little bit in the book. Carmen is the one who actually like. is like i'll i'll talk to her i'll try it and let nessie touch her and explain everything And then.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Elazar does it, and then Tanya and Kate. versus in the movie they switched around and tanya is the first one to experience nessie's power and be like oh my god it's true like it like what they're saying is true it's real she's half human half vampire
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and then it's basically a montage from there of all the other vampires coming to the cullen house and we get to meet everybody and so i'm going to run through some of these characters and their actors real fast We talked about Benjamin played by Rami Malek.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: His mate Tia is played by Angela Serafian. amun who's like the the father figure of that coven from egypt is played by omar mithwali And his mate, Kevi, is played by Andrea Gabriel.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Then we've got Garrett, the American revolutionary, played by the ever -gorgeous Lee Pace.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Love that. that. he and Kate end up getting together later.
Shireen: Yeah, baby
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then we have Zafrina.
Shireen: Hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: who is one of the Amazon women. She's played by Judy Ciccone.
Shireen: Judy did an amazing job, I have to say.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: Holy moly, she scared the cr - out of me with that look with those eyes
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She's incredible. Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: I know that eyes are CGI, but the way she does it was so piercing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Oh yeah. And then we've got the Romanians Vladimir and Stefan. Vladimir played by Noel Fisher and Stefan played by Guri Weinberg.
Shireen: They... annoyed the heck out of me in the movie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I love them. I thought they were funny as hell. They're just here for their petty like little revenge against the Volturi.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I thought they were so funny.
Shireen: They the look on their faces when they start to fight like they're so excited. They're so happy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They're pumped.
Shireen: Yeah
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They're pumped.
Shireen: but just
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: They're... the beginning where they're like taunting the werewolves i'm just like just go away Like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Leave our guys alone.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, they're just teasing them. They're so funny.
Shireen: Yeah. little turds.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So... Like I said, it's basically a montage of all the vampires arriving. Bella is giving a voiceover exposition of who everyone is, what their powers are, if they have any.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: we discover that she like there's a term for her mind being blocked and she'll use a shield. But she's, again, she's special. She's not like other girls. She's a different kind of shield than anybody's ever seen before.
Shireen: She's not like other girls.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. and so she starts training so in the book she also wants to do like actual combat training like fight training Edward can't do it because he's like, I can't imagine you being her. I don't want to do that. So she has to train with Emmett.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But then also we have Kate and Zafrina. helping. train bella's like shield powers and helping her like get her shield not just on her mind, but to everybody else's, which is going to knock out two major power players on the Volturi's team, Jane and Alec.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So basically if Bella can shield everybody from Jane and Alex Powers they're useless, and then our side has a much greater chance of winning this fight. They have a pre -war...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bonfire. Edward basically takes, so Garrett gives a speech at the end of the book. where he is like, you know, They... We got to fight for it because he's...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: you know he was became a vampire during the american revolution so he's a revolutionary he's all about freedom and liberty and all these things so garrett gives a speech in the book about like no matter what happens today the Volturi are trying to control you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Even if, you know... If they just kill the Cullens and go peacefully, they're going to hunt down you witnesses. You're never actually going to be free of them. Maybe we should overthrow the Volturi and free ourselves of them because they don't actually... seek justice, they seek power, right?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Basically, that whole speech gets given to Edward. And he's like, you know, Carlisle's not asking you to fight for us, but I will. Like, I'm asking you to fight for our family. for my family and for you, all of your freedom.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: from this corruption. of the Volturi. And so that's when you get people taking sides like, yes, I will fight with you. We will witness and then we're going to dip if it comes to a filing. We don't want to go up against Volturi.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so most people agree that if it comes to a fight, they will fight with the Cullens.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: there's a like a handful alistair And Amun. And his mate are like. We'll witness and then we're out of here.
Shireen: Yeah, we gotta go.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We're not putting our lives on the line.
Shireen: Yeah.
Shireen: I will say.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And the.
Shireen: This is one of my favorite parts of the last book. not the second part of the last book is
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: bringing all of the other vampires in. and hearing those stories and and getting to... witness Zafrinas.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mhm.
Shireen: powers more detailed.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Shireen: I think. Stephanie had a lot of fun writing that portion. It felt...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: through her writing that she was enjoying the backstories to everyone, the personalities to other people. I'm bummed that the movie couldn't. go deeper into just how much community that they had for that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: amount of time which again in the book it felt a lot longer.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: But just just marvelous. I wish that we could get more. I wish we got more in the movie of everyone's powers and her training and her figuring out how to push her shield to cover everyone.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: What? It was funny reading it. It reminded me of like... Let your anger flow through you, Anakin. Because she doesn't really get the ability to push her shield out until she gets super ragey.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and then she's like you're not gonna hurt nessie and then she is able to do it and then you know So it felt very like Jedi training to me. It was very funny.
Shireen: The movie did not. did not even flirt with the idea of The reason she can push her shield is because she's getting angry. They kind of were just like try harder And then she goes...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And then it goes out to Edward.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. I was thinking about this too last night. I was just pondering Twilight, as one does. But I was like...
Shireen: As one does at night.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: If. Like most of the time when in other media, when somebody has like mind powers. Or like a shield power of some sort. Like I'm thinking like Fantastic Four, right?
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like Sue Storm. She's like. using her hands and like putting a shield up. Bella's just
Sarah-Daye McDougall: standing there like scrunching her face really hard stare staring very intently at something But like. I'm like... this had to be goofy as hell to film because i feel like at least And I wouldn't know, I'm not an actor, but I'm like, I feel like at least if I was in like a Marvel movie doing magic or something like. physically moving more of my body can get me more into
Sarah-Daye McDougall: the zone of what i'm doing and make it more believable but literally just having to stand there
Shireen: and like furrow your brows.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and stare really hard. I don't know, dude.
Shireen: well Chris. Stewart also did a... interview an interview that she said acting is embarrassing and as I was listening to her in this interview I was thinking yeah you did Twilight
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: That's
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Real.
Shireen: real like any I'm sorry but any fantasy and I'll also bring up Harry Potter like any fantasy acting is embarrassing in the moment have you seen
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Back the the The behind the scenes videos of like Hogwarts fights.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh yeah.
Shireen: And it's just like all of them going and it's like, imagine.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right.
Shireen: Doing that in front of people.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: It's embarrassing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: But let's make it...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because there's no, like, magic coming out of the wand. You're just waving a stick around.
Shireen: Which I do in my day -to -day life, too.
Shireen: I get it, guys.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Who doesn't?
Shireen: Who's not acting like the stick they found was also a Nevada cadaver? But... yeah yeah the acting in this when it comes to the vampire's powers it's It's a little embarrassing like even Safrina. She just goes and stares at you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's a lot of just...
Shireen: with her big eyes.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's a lot of just staring intently. at things.
Shireen: Yeah, I mean, Edward's entire... power is listen to people's minds. So
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: He is also just staring at people and picking up a conversation that no one else heard
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Yep.
Shireen: At least Nessie gets the cute little baby hand on the face.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: I think that's pretty freaking adorable. I would let any child with their cute little hand just like... Cup me and show me their memories
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, she's cutie Once we stop having CGI baby, like Nessie's pretty cute.
Shireen: Yeah, Heidi, my mom, she finally when she started the movie with us i was about 30 minutes into breaking dawn part two And I was like, oh, you're lucky. You skipped.
Shireen: of the creepy CGI stuff. And then. it goes to the later portion where they now cgi her to be older it's like oops sorry
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: But you missed out on that creepy baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. I mean, CGI in her older looks better than... The baby.
Shireen: Yeah, the baby was just
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Back to the plot. Bella... finally starts to be like, maybe Alice left me a message because Edward can't read my mind. So like maybe there's something just for me.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So she finally goes to... Alice left the note with Sam. We talked about that. It was ripped out of a... is on a page ripped out of a book that belonged to Bella. Bella specifically, not Edward, not...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bella specifically.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: so bella goes to that book in the cottage and it has the name jay jenks and an address on it And Bella's like, what the heck is this? I don't know. Throw it in the fire. so that Edward can't see it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So then she follows up. So again, we talked about this a little earlier, but in the book. there's two different meetings with jay jinks and one of them she goes to like a seedy neighborhood and meets And then she goes to his office and meets with him. And so he's a lawyer.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And she's like, I don't know what I'm doing here. I have to kind of like. I can't give away that I don't know what I'm doing here. but i have to like be cool and like you know. pretend like I know what's happening.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then she figures out that he does. forged papers, birth certificates, driver's licenses, all of these things. And so she's like, Oh, like, I want to put in an order for two,
Sarah-Daye McDougall: birth certificates two social securities one passports and then one driver's license for Jacob.
Shireen: Really quickly, I'm bummed that they - i know i agree with yes the one meeting was enough with jay jenkins But I am bummed because this was the first time we got to see someone.
Shireen: experience Bella as a vampire without having known her.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm hmm.
Shireen: And in this part of the book, that's when you really get to see, oh, this is how she's perceived now that she's changed. She used to be this coy little girl and now she's meeting this.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Shireen: Guy who knows vampires.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm hmm.
Shireen: and he's like scared shitless and she's noticing oh i have power
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes. Well, and he's scared shitless of Jasper because he usually deals with Jasper and Jasper has decided that the best way to deal with this guy is by making him scared shitless.
Shireen: Fear.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But yes, he knows that Bella is related to Jasper. And so if he's anything less than perfect with Bella, he's assuming that she will report that to Jasper and then he will have to deal with Jasper.
Shireen: i do love hearing that jasper was like well yeah i mean other people I can make them feel good and that's good. But with him, no, he needed to be scared. I was like, I want to see that Jesper.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yes.
Shireen: I want to see you make people scared.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes, I agree. Agree, agree. So. Bella. concocts. I think the difference between the... biggest difference between the book and the movie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: regarding these scenes is that In the book, Bella comes up with this plan. to have Jacob Like no matter what happens, Jacob and Nessie will be able to get away. Nessie will be safe with Jacob. Jacob will take care of her and I'll set them up for success. They're going to have cash. They're going to have all these things.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: She, like... plans for them to go to Rio to hopefully catch up with Alice since the last place that Alice was known to have been was down in Rio in South America. to try to find more witnesses.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so like. our sense of freedom, right? So she's like trying to set all this up where They will have somewhere to go. Hopefully they can meet up with Alice and Jasper later. So even if she and Edward die, Nessie and Jake will be taken care of, right?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: versus the way it... goes down in the movie is that Jasper planned it all and Jasper set it all up. with only the two sets of docks for Nessie and And then Bella's like, oh, I thought we were all traveling together.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and Which I don't. i don't like because i think that bella has proven time and again like that she's a problem solver she is very intelligent she thinks things through she comes up with these plans like
Sarah-Daye McDougall: we saw it in eclipse you know with her strategizing about like oh it's victoria hunting me the victoria and the newborns in seattle are connected like bella's proven that she's smart enough to think of these things and so i think taking that away from her in the movie is a disservice to her what little character she has
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: what little personality she has like taking that away like doesn't help anything
Shireen: Mm -hmm.
Shireen: Yeah. Yeah, we we need to give her more of her book. Confidence. and smarts.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. I agree.
Shireen: Give her more credit.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I agree. So we went a little bit out of order because that all happened before the bonfire. My bad. I just really like talking about the bonfire.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, so this is it. We go to the field, that freaking baseball field again. All the big things happen in the baseball field.
Shireen: And like... Where is everyone? Like where are all the mortals? Do they just like not know that that field exists?
Shireen: Where's...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I mean, it's not like an actual baseball field.
Shireen: Yeah, but...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But still.
Shireen: How far are they and how are like she ran into a freaking free climber?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: I just want to, yeah. That's just me trying to break that wall.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: There's no map in this fantasy book, so I have no idea where anything is.
Shireen: Ugh, we should make one. It's Forks, Washington.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Make a map. Right. It's literally just forks.
Shireen: It's just... it's on the map already
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. So... The actual like standoff and like talking to Aro and Caius, like that's all pretty. accurate, pretty straight up.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Irina dies for her. for making false allegations. And then we hear.
Shireen: which huge props to her for just kind of like stepping forward to be like I messed up. Oopsie.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: like you caused all of these issues and now you're
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Good for you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. And then like. Edward like reading Caius's mind and knowing that even killing her was a setup to try to get Tanya and Kate to attack first so that the Volturi are justified in defending themselves.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and having the fight anyways.
Shireen: And forgive me if I'm wrong, isn't all of this... Just to get Alice?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, pretty much. Like, Aro really wants Alice and Edward. to join the Volturi so he can have them like as weapons in his arsenal.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so, yeah, like, and that's something that. uh Elazar. talks about too you know because he used to be with the Volturi as well just like Carlisle and he talks about how you know if there was a vampire with powers that the Volturi wanted
Sarah-Daye McDougall: then all and they were already and that person was already with another coven all of a sudden That coven gets destroyed and that person gets there's always somebody who has repented thoughts that are oh kids.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: could see and that person was allowed to live. if they join the Volturi.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And that's like their MO. So that's. they're like that's what's going to happen here basically is and it does RO lists off names like you know all of you guys are traitors and you're going to die except for Benjamin. and Alice and Edward and Bella as a shield. you know,
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We know that you guys, you know, really just feel bad and you didn't want any of this to happen. So you guys could live, but everybody else has to die. It's like, okay.
Shireen: We can see right through you. We're also like all centuries old, so you think that you can just like pull the wool over our eyes?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Apparently. So. Edward is like... you know, realizing like it doesn't matter. Like, Aro fully believes. about rene's mate like that that actually gets settled pretty quickly where they listen They take the testimony of Bella or of Edward, rather.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They take the testimony of Edward, the testimony of Renesmee. of all these other people who have watched her grow. and they're like okay yeah she's not an immortal child you guys are innocent of that charge And then RO goes, I'm like, you don't know what.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: what the future holds. Like he starts talking about the humans having weapons that can destroy them now and it's not safe.
Shireen: He's just pulling stuff out of his little vampy ass trying to figure something out
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, and it's like... You know, only the known is safe. Anything that's unknown cannot be tolerated. So because Nessie is unknown, we don't know what's going to happen in her future. We don't know what she's going to be like, if she's going to be more human or more vampire. We don't know these things, therefore she must be destroyed.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And we're not going to do that.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so then that's when Edward's like, oh, they're going to kill us no matter what. And then, boom, Alice comes in. We're like, oh Alice is here. Hooray And so again, this is where we have the biggest divergence between book and movie throughout the whole series.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: by a mile, obviously.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Alice comes in, she shows R .O. the future. or she shows aro about
Shireen: what she's seen.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: what she has seen in the Amazon of this other, you know, half human, half. vampire hybrid. person. And he's like... And and then she is like, doesn't matter what what you see, you still don't see like you're you know, you still want to fight.
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then that's where we get. this. the fight scene starts and like we talked about it earlier with sarah day but it's like I remember being in the theater and being like What the Frig. What the heck? What? Holy shit. None of this happened.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Alice is trying to get captured. Carlisle goes to defend her. Aro kills Carlisle. And then it's just... chaos. Everybody goes crazy. Benjamin punches the earth and splits it all the way down to the center of the earth.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: We've got lava at the bottom.
Shireen: Right Gosh, that was so crazy. He just goes And then...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: it opened the pits and how many people yes oh Oh I cried.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Seth dies.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Seth dies. Leah dies.
Shireen: I cried.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Jane... Sam bites Jane's head off. Love that.
Shireen: Live, laugh, love that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like. like there's so many like deaths are happening left and right the wolves are going like it's crazy crazy scene and then so the ultimate the The big thing is that by the end of it, Edward and Bella...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Together. Kill Auro.
Shireen: Mm -hmm Head off.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And there's nothing... More. that Aura wants than to not die. More than he wants Alice, more than he wants Edward, he wants to not die.
Shireen: Which... Was it Caius or the other one that was like... Finally.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Marcus, as Marcus is like, oh hell yeah, finally.
Shireen: it's like you could have done this on your own guy you don't have to wait for a war
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: you can just go jump into a fire
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Whatever. Whatever.
Shireen: So funny.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So... I also want to get your thoughts. and There's a fan canon that I've seen. that it wasn't actually. Alice showing Aro a fake vision.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: but that it was Zafrina. Showing RO.
Shireen: Ooh, I got chills.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because Aro didn't know that Zafrina existed because they live in the Amazon.
Shireen: Yeah, so he doesn't even know about her power.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And they've never not. Correct. So he doesn't he A doesn't know that she exists. B now that he sees her in front of him, he still doesn't know her powers.
Shireen: well The issue I have...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Because I don't...
Shireen: With that is I don't think she can show you I think she's just changing the atmosphere. She's not changing... people doing things right because there's a scene where she's changing them to look like they're in the Amazon.
Shireen: And you can see, I think it's one of the Russian vampires.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Shireen: walking towards them and he's like lifting a bush but it's not it's actually a tree where they are So like she can't. She cannot show you other people doing actions they're not doing.
Shireen: She can just change your surroundings.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Hmm.
Shireen: That's how I look at it is like, that would be cool, but she can't. show you Alice doing that and she can't show you when they're physically standing there because
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Right.
Shireen: You're all within her atmosphere still.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: She can't control the people.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's interesting. I didn't. That's totally valid. I thought it was more of like she can just show you visions of whatever she wants.
Shireen: And I forget.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so the like maybe she's better at landscapes or landscapes are easier so in order for her to like demonstrate her powers to us she does the landscapes but like i feel like she's probably very powerful and she could show a whole scene like that if she really wanted to.
Shireen: Maybe. I... yeah i forget if in the book if she shows anything other than your surroundings changing.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Because they do spend time on her in the book.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mhm.
Shireen: They spend more time than they do in the movie. on what she's capable of.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah. I don't...
Shireen: I can't remember.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I literally just read it yesterday, I don't remember
Shireen: Right.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Woo!
Shireen: It's like. Did she show? people acting things out or is she just showing you
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Well...
Shireen: like the Amazon.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Just because she didn't doesn't mean that she couldn't.
Shireen: She came. That's true.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Right. Just because she didn't demonstrate that to us. earlier in the book doesn't mean that she can't. at all.
Shireen: And you know what? There is a part where she... when the sisters, the Denali vampires after arena is killed that they try to run to attack aro and she takes their vision away
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: So yes, that also does show that she can take your vision away.
Shireen: Like you can't even see people around you.
Shireen: Maybe I like that theory.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So she could do like layers. She could like layer that. you know, like do like a glamour sort of thing where like she's blocking the true vision of whatever's happening. in real life in front of him and also project a vision.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: of all this other stuff.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And it's possible because, again, Alice and Jasper were the ones who found her and sent her to Carlisle. So they could have plotted that. when they met up in the Amazon and nobody else was there. We don't know that.
Shireen: And Aro never touches her, right?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Correct.
Shireen: so Yeah, I like that theory. I think that's really cool
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Because I just don't know how, because he's touched Alice. and like seen visions through her multiple times before i don't know how she could fake
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Like that vision could be like an actual vision that she had. Or it could be fake to show him. exactly what's going to happen. in exactly the right way to make him not want to move forward with the fight.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And so in that case, if it's fabricated. Then...
Shireen: But then we get even deeper with he's physically touching Alice. Can Zafrina's power... overpower Alice's
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh.
Shireen: memories and Aro touching her and Like. experiencing it because we know
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I don't know
Shireen: That Jane's brother, whatever the heck. The smoke comes out of his fingers and he can take away.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm -hmm.
Shireen: all of your senses, but can Zafrina do that to Aro enough that he can't see Alice's?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay.
Shireen: memory.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Brand new thought, maybe it's both. Okay, hear me out.
Shireen: Okay?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Maybe when Alice and Zafrina, like they did plot this. And Zafrina showed Alice that scene. And they like directed that scene. so that Alice would see it, so that she would have it in her memory bank to show R .O.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: when the time came
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So it's both. Zafrina did... construct this vision So that it...
Shireen: It could be in her.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Alice could see it as a vision.
Shireen: Ooh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and show it to Aro.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's what I'm gonna go with. That's what I'm gonna go with.
Shireen: And I think I'm going to go with that with you as well. That would be cool.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: What else was I thinking? I was thinking Oh, Auro, when he touches you and he reads your memories, is he reading things on his own free will? Is he like touching you and going, okay, I'm going to search your mind?
Shireen: Or. Or is he reading what you're willing? I don't think he's reading what you're willing to give him because he could just take over.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and so It's everything.
Shireen: so then
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's everything.
Shireen: Who's to say that if he's... doing Alice's memory that he's not also parsing through. her talking with Zafrina and creating that memory in her mind.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's true.
Shireen: Because he can just...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's true.
Shireen: He's controlling what he's seeing. She's not controlling, which is the whole issue of RO. Alice couldn't be there because he would see. everything she had been planning and he could read edward's thoughts as well
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm Mhm. You're right.
Shireen: Wow, Stephanie. Girl. How long did she?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: These are just plot holes.
Shireen: These are just plot holes, but like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Let's just pause.
Shireen: She had to think pretty far ahead, though.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: to not create like huge
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: plot.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: like bigger plot holes than this.
Shireen: Yeah. which there are few, again.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: i would really like to talk about the physicality
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: of. Can I just throw it out really quick? You can cut this out. I just want to tell you really quick because it's like it's on my mind constantly.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's fine. Yeah.
Shireen: So vampires drink people's blood.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yes.
Shireen: Are they drinking people's blood too? to give them life to have blood run through their veins for a little amount of time until that blood runs out and they need to drink someone else's blood.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Not explained in the book, but I presume that that's what's happening.
Shireen: We presume. Uh.
Shireen: Semen is made from blood.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep.
Shireen: You drank that guy's blood? And you created semen out of his blood.
Shireen: So when you guys procreated, was it even Edwards?
Shireen: Because technically...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's crazy.
Shireen: You don't have your own blood running through your body.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's crazy.
Shireen: That's what I'm saying.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But nobody would have to be Edwards because he's a vegetarian.
Shireen: But then...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He's only eating deer and mountain lions and stuff. So what they're gonna have a mountain lion hybrid
Shireen: That's what Stephen was saying. He was like, hold on. He doesn't drink people's blood. He's drinking like bear's blood. So then how did they procreate if he has bear's blood in his body and he's creating the semen?
Shireen: Out of bear's blood.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's crazy.
Shireen: She could have had a... There!
Shireen: Puppies if she wanted! But like, that's what I mean when I'm like, that's how deep we got into it.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's crazy.
Shireen: We were like, how did he procreate?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: First of all. Well, you have to go back to why he drinks blood.
Shireen: And then also Stephen was saying something about like... If. if she had actually had a baby with Jacob, would he still have imprinted on Renesmee?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No.
Shireen: No.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: because it wouldn't be Renesmee.
Shireen: Because it wouldn't be Renesmee. But that was a fun little like.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: side note that Steve and I took, we're like, ooh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No, that's...
Shireen: What if she did end up having?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I think that would be too far even for Stephanie Meyer's twisted brain.
Shireen: Yeah.
Shireen: Hey. we can hope.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I sure certainly hope so.
Shireen: We can only hope this girl's come up with a lot of weird stuff.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: This is true. uh, Alright.
Shireen: Okay, sorry.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Let's wrap this up. It's okay. let's wrap this up we'll get back to it so they have the whole fight scene and then it's like, oh, it was just a vision and RO you die at the end.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: So do you really want to continue down this path?
Shireen: Mm -hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Or do you maybe want to like. find it out and let's move on. So then she brings out. nahuel and his aunt so nahuel is the only other human vampire hybrid that we know of he does reveal that he has sisters all from the same father with different women who died
Shireen: Mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Post. or during slash post childbirth because, you know, the vampire, the same thing that happened to Bella happened to those women, except they didn't have, you know. people to take care of them.
Shireen: It wasn't the dad's plan. to save the woman. He was just trying to create.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: No.
Shireen: In the book it explains but in the movie it doesn't explain anything.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: A super race. Yeah.
Shireen: but there's a
Sarah-Daye McDougall: In the, yeah.
Shireen: Pretty deep.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: He's trying to create like a super race of human vampire hybrids. And he's like. he's playing god and it's very disturbing and aro's like yeah we're probably gonna go investigate that and nahuel's like you should honestly because he's messed up
Shireen: So why is it that the Volturi will kill Irina? for that but they're not even going to go try to find this guy who's creating half breeds.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: because they were trying to goad. Kate and Tanya into attacking them so they could start a fight.
Shireen: Okay.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Pretty much. you know.
Shireen: Cat fight.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's that. Yeah, because I mean, because like even killing arenas like that's not justice, like because they're like, oh, you know, we uphold justice. Like that's not justice.
Shireen: Lesson of justice.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's. And I think Edward reads Caius's mind and he like says it too. tanya and kate he's like no he's trying to goad you into this fight like he's trying to egg you on and make you attack first so that they are now justified in fighting us so you can't give in.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: But anyway, so they, you know, now, because the whole thing was like, we don't know what her, what Nessie's future holds. We don't know that she's going to be safe around humans. you know, in the future. So that's why we have to destroy her. And then Nahuel's like, I'm 150 years old.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I'm good. I can survive on blood or human food. is totally fine. It's going to be okay. And they're like, well, shit, I guess, I guess that's it. Then I guess we'll go home.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and that's like
Shireen: And so it was that easy the whole time.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: They go home? apparently so they not that it was easy but like They go for it and Aro thinks she's going to die. And so they're like, I'm not willing to risk it. Let's go home. So everybody goes home and like, that's basically it. And then we end the book.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: with Bella letting Edward into her mind? for the first time. And she shows him all of her memories from day one till now of them being together.
Shireen: with the song. a thousand years.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: with the most beautiful thousand years by Christina Perri playing over it.
Shireen: Uh... Look man, it's... Cheesy, but did it have me in a chokehold?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Oh was I crying? Yeah.
Shireen: Yeah.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, I was crying.
Shireen: Oh, you're telling me that now she just gets to show him everything that she's ever experienced?
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Also the line of... Now you see that no one's ever loved someone as much as I love you. Hup! How dare you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Gant! I'm gagged.
Shireen: How? Dare you gag us that hard.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: Ugh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And then we moved from there into the end credits.
Shireen: Chills.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And it's literally, I wrote this in the outline of my notes, but I'm like. This is doing what Avengers Endgame wishes they were doing with the end credits. Like it's every cast member, like freaking Bryce Dallas Howard as Victoria is in here, even though Victoria was not even mentioned in this movie. But it's like, it's just a recap of. everybody from you know, from the most minor character of Nahuel and his aunt who are here for literally like two minutes tops.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: all the way up, and then you end with Jacob, Edward, and Bella. and it's breaking dawn part two and then it changes the twilight saga and then
Shireen: Hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That's it. All the while, a thousand years is playing. And it's just like. Yeah, I was crying because it's like. It really was like. what as they were coming out you know and i'm 14 years old like it really was the end of an era it really was like that serious
Shireen: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Form. for us who were fangirls at the time. Ew. it was it didn't it was an avengers end game level ending for this franchise.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: and it was very special.
Shireen: The whole. the whole production from the very beginning of twilight to the last it shows just how important it was it started out as an indie film small and then it caught
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: so many hearts and the way that they ended it gave us the respect. that it deserved of like Yeah, this was important to us. Thank you for taking it seriously.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah. And. You know, I've said it before on other episodes and I will. We can always admit like, yeah, dude, it's cringy as hell.
Shireen: So cringy.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: It's so cringy. But it's very, that doesn't mean that it's not special to us.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: That doesn't mean that it's not important to us. It doesn't mean it's not foundational to who I am as a person and as a fangirl.
Shireen: This was the first romance novel. I'm gonna put that in the category, it is a part romance novel.
Shireen: This was the first romance
Shireen: Even though I didn't read it when it came out, my friend was giving me the play -by -plays.
Shireen: This changed my life. I was like, whoa.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: I love love stories. This is such a cute love story.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: And of course, it has things that are unbelievable. But that's also so special. Like...
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah.
Shireen: ooh let me suspend my disbelief for a little bit and just live in this moment how fun it is to play pretend we have all loved playing pretend since the beginning of time
Sarah-Daye McDougall: mm -hmm
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah.
Shireen: Let me play pretend.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. I mean, Twilight is never going to be, you know. the most important literary work of a generation like it's it's not trying to be that either though
Shireen: No.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: For what it is. It's fabulous. And I... you know The haters aren't here to stop me. I love Twilight. I freaking love Twilight.
Shireen: I love Twilight.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I'm always going to love Twilight. Yeah, I am going to continue to rewatch it every year for Hoa Hoa Hoa season.
Shireen: Mm hmm.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I am going to continue to meme about it and enjoy it and follow creators who go in depth with like tangents that you and I were going on. I freaking love Twilight and I'm never going to not love Twilight.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And I am not ashamed of that. And I don't think anybody else should be either.
Shireen: Yep. I don't either. I think it's such a fun formative time of so many of... our generations growing up. like freaking Romantic -y is massive now, and let's give some credit to Twilight for that.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
Shireen: Also,
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Twilight walked so Akatar could run.
Shireen: Yeah, baby.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Hmm.
Shireen: Let's talk about two - Peace.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Mostly joking, but like...
Shireen: Two memes that have been created. One is... The immortal child. And Aro - No, Jane is just holding the kid and she just goes The baby's just in the fire.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Tosses it into the fire.
Shireen: Did she just? throw a child in fire?
Shireen: All right, I'm going to go to bed.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yup.
Shireen: And then the one where Ariel's like,
Shireen: Michael Sheen, what were you thinking? Why were you like - aura would sound like this right now for sure
Sarah-Daye McDougall: I love it. I think it's great.
Shireen: Two of my favorite memes from that movie, especially the kid one. It's just so, I have a child. It was so funny.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yeah, it's very funny.
Shireen: Just... Mm. Don't want that. Ugh.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay, I think that is a good wrap up for us. Do you have any final thoughts? Or did we, I think we kind of covered everything.
Shireen: kind of covered everything i enjoyed this so much thank you for letting me be a part of this
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Otherwise, it would have been me here by myself yapping to nobody. So this is great.
Shireen: And I would have been on the other side yapping right back to you either way.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Amen. So this worked out so great.
Shireen: This was fun.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: All right. You're welcome back anytime. We'd love to have you.
Shireen: Thank you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: uh We're not doing Twilight again, but when we get to Harry Potter, you can join us for Harry Potter or whatever else.
Shireen: I was gonna say. I have listened to the audiobooks. both from Jim Dale and... The new ones?
Shireen: numerous amount of times. I can't stop. It's in my blood.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Yep.
Shireen: I am a wizard, Harry.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Amen. Uh... All right. Well, thank you listeners for joining us on this. epic journey through the twilight saga be sure to check out the rest of our Twilight coverage and get ready for November. We've got a crazy lineup of Percy Jackson and Sunrise on the Reaping.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: And we will see you next time. Love y 'all.
Shireen: Love you guys. Thank you.
Sarah-Daye McDougall: Bye.
Shireen: Bye. Okay.
