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Ep 13: Star Wars Home Edition and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
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Time to put on your seat belts as we talk the new Stern release of Star Wars Home Edition and the decision from Stern to make a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles pinball machine. All that and more in episode 13.
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Introduction and Recent Pinball News
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Thanks for tuning into the loser kid pinball podcast.
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You are on episode 13.
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I am Josh Roop along with my co-captain as always.
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Scott Larson.
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And we're bringing you the latest and greatest news, which is actually very much picked up lately.
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So where should we start Scott?
Stern's Comic-Con Strategy
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Uh, I think we should start off with San Diego.
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Although I wish I could go to San Diego comic-con.
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Um, it doesn't seem to be happening this year.
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And, uh,
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it seems that Stern is making a big push at Comic-Con, which I think is a great move for them.
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I totally agree.
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It's awesome that they are getting a lot of the material out there that would be Comic-Con worthy too.
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Last year, wasn't Deadpool out before Comic-Con last year and they had it there?
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Yeah, I think they were certainly pushing it and it resonates very well with the Comic-Con crowd theme.
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Just their characters and their cosplays and everything.
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I think it works really well for them and
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If Stern is going to, well, any pinball company really is trying to branch out.
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The challenge is you need to be true to your core fans, which is great.
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Doing things like ReplayFX, Expo, going to Texas.
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That's great.
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You're also, you tend to get the same echo chamber.
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You tend to get the same people who are going and seeing, and most of them will know the news, whether or not they go to the show.
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If you go to a show that...
Home Editions Debate
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the San Diego Comic-Con is huge.
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I've never been, Comic-Cons have never really been my thing, but I appreciate that there are tons of people who are highly invested in and quite literally spend a boatload of money on their hobbies.
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Yes.
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So if you are going to try to branch out and to really reintroduce pinball to the masses, I think that's a great place to go.
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So we're talking Deadpool was last year.
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What are we getting this year?
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Well, we actually just got a leak that we saw posted and everyone thought it was Keith Elwin's game.
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And it looks like the Star Wars Home Edition.
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So I think it actually works out really well for the Comic-Con crowd.
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I think it's more accessible for the casual player, although still the home pin, it's still a luxury item.
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I know that pinball fans and people who have machines in their own house, they tend to be dismissive of these type of projects just because it's not your...
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It's not your location-ready pinball machine.
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Typically, it doesn't have a coin door.
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Typically, it doesn't have a way of operating it.
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And in many ways, people feel this is the ultra-light version of pinball, which is true on some ways.
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However, it's also if they're going to sell to different markets, you need to offer different products.
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And even a $4,000 pinball machine is a luxury.
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It's a, it's a luxury item that you can get it.
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You can get a used car for $4,000, not a great car, but you can get a used car one.
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And if you think about the average income, average disposable income that people have, that's a, that's a big chunk of change.
Celebrity Influence at Comic-Con
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So when Salt Lake was allowed to call their comic book convention, Comic-Con, they were getting very big actors.
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They still are as fan acts, but.
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Back when it was Comic-Con, they got Chris Evans, a.k.a.
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Captain America, to come out, and it was $200 to meet him.
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You could meet him along with Anthony Mackie, a.k.a.
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The Falcon, or Hayley Atwell, which was Captain America's love interest from the first movie she went on to get her own TV series.
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But at $200, that's just to meet one person and get a picture.
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And you had tons of these people.
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You had...
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Ian Somerhalder from Vampire Diaries.
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I don't watch Vampire Diaries.
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It's not my cup of tea.
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My wife does.
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But it was still 70 bucks to meet the dude.
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You can't tell me these people aren't going to Comic Cons and not dropping 500 to $1,000.
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easily just meeting people.
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I think these people that go to these comic cons are a little, they got a little cash in their pocket.
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If they walk up to a star Wars pinball machine, it's a little more accessible.
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This home pin then, or not home pins, right?
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This home edition, we don't want to confuse it with Thunderbirds, but I think it's more accessible than say Deadpool.
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That's at 5,800 compared to the 4,000.
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That's just my take on it.
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I mean, there's people walking around with tons of money at those things.
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Yeah.
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And, and really, um, my, uh, my cousin, uh, my sister went to my cousin's house and they have a really, really nice house with all the toys and bells and whistles.
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I, I didn't go, but she came back and she said, they have a pinball machine.
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And I said, oh, w which one is it?
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And she said, it's Ghostbusters.
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And I thought,
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I totally
Market Positioning of Home Machines
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understand why they bought a Ghostbusters.
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The Ghostbusters is beautiful.
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I think it resonates with people because of the theme.
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And they're not going to notice all the challenges with the Ghostbuster game that we notice as, I guess, regular pinball players.
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So, I think that having a home version with a theme that's quite accessible, I think that you will get some people who will buy something for their rec room.
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If you look at other, what are other rec room options?
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We've talked about this before.
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The arcade one-up standalone things that you put, people buy those and what, they're like $300, $350.
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And so they can actually have that into their, into their game room.
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And if you're buying, and again, some, the, the arcade guys are so dismissive of these, these reproductions, these emulators, because it's not the real thing.
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However, I look at that and say, look, I, I don't want to spend a thousand dollars, $1,500, $2,000 for a genuine Donkey Kong machine.
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Because it's even though I think it's really cool, that takes up a big footprint and these smaller ones, you can fit more into a smaller space and still get your.
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get your giggles that way.
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And so it's the same type of thing that you can fit a similar product into a home market that's never intended to go to tournament play.
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It's never really intended to go on location, but as someone who wants a fun thing for their home arcade, and are you telling me that people aren't interested in Star Wars
Themed Pinball Machines Appeal
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memorabilia?
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I was just at Disneyland and they just opened Star Wars Land and the entire place is basically
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one like one marketer's dream for Star Wars and there's one ride and there is a full on first order Stormtrooper outfit that you can buy for over $6,000 that's a costume and people will buy that not many but enough to make it worth it
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Well, case in point, we've talked about this a couple times over the 13 episodes that Star Wars may not be considered one of the best pinball machines made in the last however long.
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It's very bipolar in the hobby.
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But you talk to operators, it's the number one earning pinball machine out on location.
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I see it at more places that should have pinball machines that don't, like bowling alleys.
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We went to a bowling alley there in Orem a month or two ago, and there was a Star Wars pinball machine in there.
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And two buildings down at the Nickelcade, there was a Star Wars machine in there.
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And you know what I'm saying?
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It seems like...
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If you're operating, you have a Star Wars on location because they rake in so much money.
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So these people that are on the fence of buying a pinball machine, you drop two grand off the price, it suddenly becomes more appealing.
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And a lot of these people are trying just to get one in their home, aren't looking at what's the rules, what's the code, what's the, you know what I'm saying?
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I mean, this thing, when you're looking at the pictures, it's pretty much the exact replica of the Spider-Man slash Supreme layout.
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I mean, the inserts are in the same places.
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It's to a T. It's a home edition based off those other two games.
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And so it's going to shoot fun.
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It's going to be a fun playing game.
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If you base off the other two games, so I just don't see why this is a big deal.
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Many to us collectors, it is, but we're going to see Jurassic Park or Jurassic World.
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Whatever the Keith Elwin rumored game is, we're going to see it in two weeks.
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I thought it was Golden Girls 2.
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Golden Girls 2.
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We've talked Golden Girls.
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We've talked Hello Kitty.
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Actually, you know what?
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Okay, this is true.
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Did you see Keith Elwin posted on his Facebook update
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that he was celebrating the moon landing.
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And so here's my prediction.
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It's going to be the sequel to Orbiter 1.
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you know what, that man, I bet could take over one and actually make it fun.
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So yeah, I think he could challenge accepted, challenge offered.
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I think he's going to, I think he's going to do a hard, hard pass on that one.
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Okay.
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We'll offer that up and let's see what he says.
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Yeah.
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Um, but I, I think it works and really there are so many things about my machine that the machines that I have here,
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that I don't need.
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I don't need a coin door.
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There's so many things about it that I, it's, they're luxury items.
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I bought a topper for a few hundred bucks because I thought it looked cool.
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It has nothing to do with the play, the playability of the game.
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And so if there's just ways that you can get it out into the public, it's going to be better in the long run.
Nostalgia's Role in Sales
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So it's, I think that for most pinball aficionados, this is not your game, but I think this is an attempt to get a bigger footprint into the masses.
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And I think it's a great, it's a great license.
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I mean, Star Wars always sells.
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Yep.
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Well, and here's the other thing too.
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So I've been doing some research.
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We've known for a couple of days that the Star Wars Home Edition has been coming out.
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We don't, honestly, us as the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast, don't get very many tips.
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This is the one that's been floating around the last couple of days.
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So I've been doing some research.
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We're not exclusive.
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This kind of started leaking very easily a couple of days ago.
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And so we're like, oh, okay, well, all right.
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Yeah.
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And so I've been doing my research.
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I mean, okay, let's take Supreme out of the mix because Supreme is just an anomaly by itself.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Let's take Supreme out.
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So the only other home edition that's based exactly off of this is Spider-Man home edition.
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Spider-Man home edition.
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Well, there's also the Transformers.
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I didn't know that.
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So, well, I was looking that up.
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You do have an Iron Man Home Edition, but it's called Iron Man Classic, but it's kind of based off of the Iron Man game.
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But anywho, so...
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With Spider-Man Home Edition, they're hard to find.
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Like, you look on Pinside, there's no historical data on cells.
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And when you do look for it, you have to look under the archives of, like, actual forum topics.
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Most of them have been selling anywhere from about $3,200 to $3,500.
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Yeah.
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I mean, for a fourth.
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That holds its value.
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Holds its value.
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Yeah, that's...
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For a $4,000 pinball machine, that isn't bad.
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You're losing more money when you buy the other games like Munsters.
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I see those dropping down to $4,500 right now just so people get rid of them.
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See, they're all going to be home use only.
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By definition, it's going to be home use only.
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And it's probably going to have very low plays.
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And so really, it's not going to be beat up too much.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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So I think this is a win for Stern.
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I think it's another product and another arrow in their quiver that they can actually get out there.
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I think that... And even some of the top-ranked players said, actually, shooting that thing is kind of fun.
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Like Keith was talking about, he and Josh have a great time chasing each other's scores on Supreme.
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And guess what?
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That is... It's...
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Okay, so it's not as deep as a Keith Johnson rule set, but it's, it doesn't matter.
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Is it, you know, is it kinetically pleasing?
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Do you like hitting the shot and seeing it move around?
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Is it fire off the dopamine receptors in your brain?
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That's really what it matters.
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So, yeah.
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Here, here's my, here's my guess.
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We're going to see the first two weeks.
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We're going to see people scream and yell, this sucks.
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This is an art cup of tea, yada, yada,
Theme Selection Strategy
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yada.
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And then people are going to start getting their hands on these things.
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They're going to start getting their friends going to get one.
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Someone they know is going to get one.
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I really don't think you're going to see too many pinball people get them.
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I think real people who are invested in the hobby, I think that they do just kind of pass this one by.
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I think it is going to be game-
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geared more toward, you know, the Costco crowd or the, or the game room crowd.
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I, I, I would be surprised if any, if any serious collectors actually buy it, but I could be wrong on that.
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My attitude is if I have $4,000 or $5,000, I'm probably going to try to go buy a used, a used routed game.
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Yeah.
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But my point being is, I think they get out into the wild and the people that start getting their hands on them, I think they're going to start saying that it's a fun shooting game.
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I think, I don't know.
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I don't think it'll be better than the Star Wars that came out.
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But it could be.
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I mean, without bipolar, you don't think so?
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There's just too many bipolar reviews.
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I think what it is, well, I think what the challenge with the Star Wars is it's very nuanced.
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I mean, the rule set is completely complex.
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There are some shots that are difficult, and even high-level players have a difficult time hitting some of the shots.
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Um, it has certainly an interesting launch.
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However, this is, I still view this as kind of a gateway pin.
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Um, this is a first pin that people may buy and they say, Hey, that's kind of fun.
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I wonder what else is out there.
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Um, this, this game is not going to take any risks.
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It's going to be very straightforward and it's, it's fun, but on a, on a superficial level,
Comic-Con Exclusives Excitement
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it's a, it's a gateway pin.
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I agree.
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So let's, let's release this bad boy and see what happens.
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Yeah.
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So in other news, they are at the Comic-Con selling a limited edition Black Knight record.
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And I want to get a hold of one of these bad boys.
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I have shamelessly begged on Pinside with every Stern employee that I'm friends with.
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And Steve Ritchie said, I have a great way for you to get it.
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Go to the convention.
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So if anyone's at the convention and they hear this and they still have one of these hundred bad boys available, buy it, send it to me, and I will pay you for it.
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He might even switch you out for a hat.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I will send you a hat and payment.
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I'm not looking for charity.
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I'm just asking for a cool blue album.
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You know it, man.
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Yeah, I think it's Booth 501.
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At least I think that's right.
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I don't know.
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Look up Stern.
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If you're listening to this podcast, you can find Stern.
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You know, I will move it on.
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I want to talk about a subject now that I am super excited about that.
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No one else seems to be talking about, and maybe it's because no one else gives a crap.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Go ahead.
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Okay.
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So one week ago, this week in pinball.
Potential Ninja Turtles Pinball
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Yes.
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They dropped the information that a teenage mutant turtles pinball machine is being worked on all rumored.
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I think it's a brilliant move.
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Josh, you need to set your sights higher.
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I mean, man, you and Jeff Rivera, you can both go in on LE and you can have your little namaste moment.
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I'm sorry, like, I understood them back in the day, but now when I look at Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and yes, everybody's going to hate on my 80s nostalgia, but hey, I'm a child of the 80s, and so I can look at how ridiculous some premises are.
Ninja Turtles as a Pinball Theme
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This cartoon is based on...
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Ninja Turtles who live in a sewer who's a rat is their sensei.
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And I don't even know what Shredder does.
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Like, what's the point of Shredder besides having all these droids that for some reason these turtles try to kill?
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It is mind-bogglingly crazy.
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And there's...
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the turtles love interest slash human contact is a movie reporter with a camera and then there's some weird vigilante that jumps around and starts beating things up casey jones i seriously i do not like get the premise of this it is by far the most ridiculous premise i've heard well i'll tell you why it's so brilliant you ready for this okay go ahead so ninja turtles originally started out as a joke
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They wrote the comic book to make fun of everything big in the 80s.
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They wrote it because Daredevil was huge at the time.
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The actual ninja clan that they fight in Daredevil is called The Hand.
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Ninja Turtles, it's the foot.
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X-Men was huge, so that's why they did The Mutant.
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Teen Titans and New Mutants, which is both teen comic books, were huge at the time, so they decided to make it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles went on to be the biggest merchandise selling product as a superhero thing from the 80s.
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By 1994, it had sold $6 billion worth of merchandise.
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So you've not only got people from the 80s that grew up, that was born in the 70s, grew up through the 80s.
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enjoying this product.
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They loved it so much.
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It's always been around since then too.
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It died off a little bit, but they did have the cartoon series in the early 2000s.
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And then Nickelodeon bought it up and decided to resurrect the merchandise beast.
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They've been doing toys.
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They've been doing crazy stuff.
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They did their new series that went 10 seasons.
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And was critically acclaimed.
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It had big names doing the voices.
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Uh, the gentleman that's from American pie, the main actor from American pie did it along with, uh, Sam, uh, Gamgee or what's his name?
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Frodo's best friend from, uh,
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Yes.
00:19:29
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So he did Raphael's voice.
00:19:32
Speaker
Rob Paulson, who originally did Raphael's voice in the 80s.
00:19:35
Speaker
Oh, wasn't, what's his name?
00:19:38
Speaker
One of the, Corey Haim?
00:19:40
Speaker
Or no, Corey Feldman.
00:19:42
Speaker
Wasn't he one of the Turtles?
00:19:44
Speaker
Or is that way back in the day?
Merchandising Strength of Ninja Turtles
00:19:46
Speaker
That might be way back in the day.
00:19:49
Speaker
But here's the genius of this theme, though, too, because, yes, there's tons of it.
00:19:53
Speaker
We've got the goofy, campy 80s version.
00:19:56
Speaker
You've got the comic book version that's dark.
00:19:58
Speaker
You've got the new series, which is more sci-fi fantasy.
00:20:03
Speaker
The wonderful part about this in almost every, well, not every Ninja Turtles, since the 2000s, there's been an episode because the Turtles are known for jumping dimensions.
00:20:14
Speaker
They end up meeting themselves from the comic books.
00:20:17
Speaker
They end up meeting themselves from the 80s.
00:20:19
Speaker
So you could easily mix them all together if you want to one pinball machine.
00:20:26
Speaker
I don't know.
00:20:27
Speaker
The merchandise is crazy for this too.
00:20:28
Speaker
I mean, walk into Walmart.
00:20:30
Speaker
What is it that you can buy your kids t-shirts?
00:20:32
Speaker
You can buy them.
00:20:33
Speaker
No, I totally understand it.
00:20:34
Speaker
It's just one of those themes that does not connect with me.
00:20:38
Speaker
I would rather have a He-Man, She-Ra mashup than have a Teenage Mutant Ninja Troll thing.
00:20:43
Speaker
However, I brought up the arcade one-up games and they announced that they're coming back with Teenage Mutant Ninja Trolls.
00:20:51
Speaker
And I actually do want to buy that one because I thought the game was fun.
00:20:54
Speaker
I'm telling you, dude, I think there's so many different aspects to this that it's insane.
00:20:58
Speaker
And I'm not even thinking of how you could set up the game.
00:21:01
Speaker
I'm just thinking of how it's a smart idea to make this game because it's recognizable to kids.
00:21:06
Speaker
It's recognizable to adults.
00:21:07
Speaker
It's a smart theme.
00:21:08
Speaker
I totally get it.
00:21:09
Speaker
I guess that the want for me is that it just does not connect with me as a theme on many levels.
00:21:17
Speaker
But again, I've said it before.
00:21:19
Speaker
Not every game is for every market.
00:21:21
Speaker
I'm just not the market for it.
00:21:24
Speaker
And the nice part is Kevin Eastman, the original creator of Ninja Turtles, one of the original creators, Kevin Eastman, is still heavily involved, even since Nickelodeon's bought it.
Ninja Turtles Game Success Debate
00:21:34
Speaker
And so I guarantee he's probably going to be involved somehow with this pinball machine.
00:21:38
Speaker
And he's the kind of dude that's just like, whatever we can do, let's throw it in it.
00:21:43
Speaker
And...
00:21:44
Speaker
Well, those are the games that you get the best of.
00:21:47
Speaker
Think Metallica, think ACDC.
00:21:49
Speaker
Think the games where they step back and say, hey, make me a good game, as opposed to, well, we don't like the way that is.
00:21:57
Speaker
The ones who back off and let the creators do everything, they tend to be the best games.
00:22:03
Speaker
So if that is their approach, then I think they're going to get a big push for that.
00:22:10
Speaker
So my question is, and I doubt anyone having these answers, do you think, because they just released the 93rd issue of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the comic book, they introduced a fifth Ninja Turtle.
00:22:27
Speaker
Do you think they're going to involve her in the pinball machine?
00:22:30
Speaker
No.
00:22:31
Speaker
I think it'll be classic.
00:22:33
Speaker
It'll be classic 80s.
00:22:35
Speaker
It'll be kind of like Ghostbusters.
00:22:37
Speaker
When Ghostbusters came out, they didn't focus on the new team.
00:22:40
Speaker
They focused on the classic 80s theme because those are the, you have to know the markets and the markets are for game rooms typically are 40 to 50 year old guys who grew up on this.
00:22:53
Speaker
And so, uh, they're going to chase the money.
00:22:56
Speaker
It's, it's not about anything else is just chasing the money.
00:22:59
Speaker
And if you're making a product that has the five Ninja turtles, a 40 year old guy is going to look at that and say, that's not the turtles I remembered.
00:23:06
Speaker
There's nothing wrong with it, but it's just doesn't connect with them on the emotional level.
00:23:11
Speaker
And so it's going to be classic if they're, if they're smart, they'll make it classic.
00:23:17
Speaker
I think so too.
00:23:18
Speaker
I think it'll be solely be based on probably the eighties.
00:23:22
Speaker
There might be an interdimensional mode that involves the rest of the turtles.
00:23:26
Speaker
I really don't know.
00:23:27
Speaker
I don't want to overthink it and then get myself hyped and then create this vicious cycle.
00:23:32
Speaker
So I'm just excited.
00:23:33
Speaker
I'm excited.
00:23:33
Speaker
Ninja turtles are coming out.
00:23:34
Speaker
I think it's a fantastic thing.
00:23:36
Speaker
I think it's if done right, it could be a really great theme for all ages.
00:23:42
Speaker
I think
Nostalgia's Influence on Sales
00:23:43
Speaker
it can certainly be campy and certainly be fun.
00:23:46
Speaker
Yep.
00:23:48
Speaker
So that's my spill.
00:23:49
Speaker
I'm getting off my soapbox now.
00:23:50
Speaker
No, it's not your soapbox.
00:23:52
Speaker
It's your fan box.
00:23:53
Speaker
You are take my money right now.
00:23:57
Speaker
This is the first theme I've thought, what do I sell to get myself an Ellie?
00:24:02
Speaker
And I haven't even seen the game yet.
00:24:03
Speaker
And I'm always, always of the adage, play it first, then make your decision.
00:24:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:10
Speaker
So.
00:24:11
Speaker
Yeah, me too.
00:24:11
Speaker
But I don't think this is like Iron Maiden where it sells out in less than a week on LE.
00:24:17
Speaker
You are wrong.
00:24:20
Speaker
Do you think?
00:24:20
Speaker
You're flat out wrong.
00:24:21
Speaker
This will sell out faster.
00:24:23
Speaker
You think?
00:24:24
Speaker
Well, they still have Deadpool Ellie's floating around now that this will sell out faster.
00:24:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:30
Speaker
It'll be interesting.
00:24:30
Speaker
Classic eighties theme 40, 40, 50 year old dudes out there with money.
00:24:37
Speaker
It will, the Ellie will sell out and I guarantee you the art package will be fantastic.
00:24:44
Speaker
Oh, I agree.
00:24:45
Speaker
I'm intrigued to see.
00:24:46
Speaker
Like I said, there's a lot of people I think they're in your camp that it's just not there.
00:24:50
Speaker
They don't mind playing it, but it's not something that blows up their skirt.
00:24:54
Speaker
Sure.
00:24:55
Speaker
But it still connects us to our childhood, though.
00:25:02
Speaker
In many ways, and I've said this before, I got into pinball to...
00:25:08
Speaker
to find an escape, an escape that doesn't have to do with, with politics.
00:25:13
Speaker
It doesn't have to do with, it doesn't have to do with any sort of left or right or, or economic or religious or anything like that.
00:25:24
Speaker
It's just,
00:25:25
Speaker
It's an era where people can get together and say, hey, you want to play a pinball game?
00:25:32
Speaker
Yeah, me too.
00:25:32
Speaker
Okay, let's go play.
00:25:33
Speaker
And it just kind of simplifies and it's an escape for me.
00:25:37
Speaker
That's what people are looking for in themes.
00:25:38
Speaker
They're looking for an escape that to a simpler time
00:25:42
Speaker
And if that simpler time happens to be, you know, that 1985 to 1995 era when, you know, although life was stressful, really, if you compare the stresses you had then, compare the stresses you have now, it's nothing.
Upcoming Pinball Releases Speculation
00:25:56
Speaker
So I think that it will sell out if there is an LE.
00:26:01
Speaker
Well, if they do make it, the LE will sell out that day, I guarantee.
00:26:06
Speaker
Yep.
00:26:06
Speaker
Well, we'll see.
00:26:09
Speaker
I don't think we'll see it for a little bit though, because no, I don't think so.
00:26:13
Speaker
Stern has too many things in the pipeline.
00:26:15
Speaker
Well, we got, we got Keith L. One's next one.
00:26:17
Speaker
We've got Elvira for whoever's making that one.
00:26:20
Speaker
Well, we know, we know who made that one.
00:26:23
Speaker
I mean, it was a Dennis Nordman before he left Stern.
00:26:26
Speaker
So do you really think they've kept it the same?
00:26:28
Speaker
I mean, that's been how many years now?
00:26:30
Speaker
Three, four years.
00:26:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:32
Speaker
Why wouldn't they?
00:26:34
Speaker
I just, I don't know why it's taken so long and maybe we'll get a story with it.
00:26:37
Speaker
Who knows?
00:26:38
Speaker
Or maybe we'll never know.
00:26:39
Speaker
I think, I think it's just, it's something that they, they always have plans for releases and they just have to find the right time.
00:26:48
Speaker
I think they had other games that they were.
00:26:52
Speaker
that were a better option.
00:26:54
Speaker
And their, their goals to, you know, Steve, Steve Richie said it before.
00:26:58
Speaker
My job is to sell pinball machines.
00:27:00
Speaker
That's Stern's job.
00:27:01
Speaker
Stern's job is to make pinball machines and sell pinball machines.
00:27:04
Speaker
So they're going to go with the, the current pinball machine that will sell the most.
00:27:10
Speaker
And given the right environment, I think that in an October release for Elvira or around then, I think it works perfectly.
Production Timelines
00:27:20
Speaker
And,
00:27:21
Speaker
Dennis Nordman, you know, he did the other one.
00:27:23
Speaker
So it makes sense that you would certainly keep it as close to everything he's done.
00:27:30
Speaker
So it's, you know, theme appropriate.
00:27:32
Speaker
You're not going to have John Borg design Black Knight 3000 or Black Knight Swords of Rage.
00:27:37
Speaker
You're going to have Steve Ritchie do it.
00:27:39
Speaker
The other thing that intrigues me now that I'm sitting here thinking about it.
00:27:42
Speaker
So let's say Keith Owens comes out in two weeks or a week and a half whenever we have Elvira in the fall.
00:27:51
Speaker
We have Brian Eddie's in the winter.
00:27:56
Speaker
Does that put Ninja Turtles in the spring?
00:27:57
Speaker
And if it does, that means they've only been working on it three months.
00:28:01
Speaker
And Keith Owens said they usually do 13 to 14 months.
00:28:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:05
Speaker
So what are we at?
00:28:05
Speaker
Like a white wood stage here?
00:28:07
Speaker
Maybe.
00:28:10
Speaker
I'm just saying it's kind of early for the rumor.
00:28:13
Speaker
Well, it could be that they're still just kind of kicking it around as possible themes.
00:28:20
Speaker
They've said that George Gomez brings out themes and they talk about them as designers and find out
00:28:25
Speaker
The themes that, you know, I'm sure Gary and Jody are involved in those and they figure out which themes they think will sell.
00:28:33
Speaker
And then they try to match a theme with a team.
00:28:37
Speaker
And if if all those things come together, I think I think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is actually a great it's a great marketing strategy.
00:28:46
Speaker
Because I think that you will have the fans who are still the rabid fans.
Guns N' Roses Pinball Speculation
00:28:53
Speaker
I guess it's just hard for me to look at it and say, yeah, that still connects with me because it doesn't.
00:28:58
Speaker
However, I'll still play it.
00:28:59
Speaker
It's still fun.
00:29:02
Speaker
Well, I think, honestly, I think it's good from an operator standpoint, too.
00:29:05
Speaker
I mean, these are going into arcades that are kids' kid themes.
00:29:08
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:29:10
Speaker
So, a split second.
00:29:14
Speaker
Do we want to talk about the Guns N' Roses leak with Slash confirming Guns N' Roses with JJP?
00:29:19
Speaker
Well, I think we've known that for longer.
00:29:21
Speaker
I don't think that's really breaking any new ground.
00:29:24
Speaker
That's been so long rumored that in Slash, he has been a...
00:29:30
Speaker
big pinball fan and this is obviously something that he enjoys.
00:29:36
Speaker
So I think it works.
00:29:42
Speaker
I'm curious to see what JJP does with it.
00:29:46
Speaker
Um, because it, it, it feels like something that Steve Ritchie should design really.
00:29:53
Speaker
Uh, it seems like that, that rock, the, I mean, it's that visceral, that high octane, but I'd be really curious.
00:30:01
Speaker
I mean, if, if that's Eric's game, then I'd be really curious to see what he's going to come up with.
00:30:07
Speaker
Well, let me apologize.
00:30:08
Speaker
He did not confirm that JJP is the one making it.
00:30:11
Speaker
He just said that a Guns N' Roses pinball machine is in the worst.
00:30:13
Speaker
I think it's just always been linked with JJP.
00:30:17
Speaker
And, um, and so, yeah, is it, it would be, it would be interesting to see, to
Cultural Impact of Guns N' Roses
00:30:25
Speaker
see what comes out.
00:30:25
Speaker
I I'm intrigued.
00:30:27
Speaker
I've Guns N' Roses is an interesting band.
00:30:30
Speaker
I, I, they had,
00:30:32
Speaker
they had a supernova first album, which was really the glorious sunset of the hair metal age.
00:30:43
Speaker
Guns N' Roses were the biggest band on the planet, but really they started with a supernova in Appetite for Destruction.
00:30:51
Speaker
And then they went with Lies, which was kind of a mash of old and new stuff.
00:30:56
Speaker
And then they came out with Use Your Illusion and then, you know, one and two, and then there was the spaghetti incident, you know, so, and then that, that Chinese democracy that took 10 years to make.
00:31:07
Speaker
So if you really look at their entire catalog, they have one supernova and everything else is average.
00:31:17
Speaker
It really is.
00:31:17
Speaker
The thing is though, is the thing is though, is appetite for destruction defined a genre.
00:31:24
Speaker
No, no, it inspired.
00:31:26
Speaker
I agree with you that that is the glorious sunset of that glam rock era.
00:31:32
Speaker
And I'm not discounting everything that they did because they were the biggest band on the planet for about four years.
00:31:38
Speaker
And then Nirvana came and everybody started wearing flannel and turning up the, the reverb.
00:31:44
Speaker
Um,
00:31:45
Speaker
So I, I, I'm interested to see what they do.
00:31:48
Speaker
There's, you know, I think that it's a little more challenging to do a Guns N' Roses pin.
00:31:54
Speaker
That would be for the JJP, everybody can buy it market.
00:32:02
Speaker
It's certainly not one that I would have in my, you look at the, the Data East one and
00:32:08
Speaker
There's very few things that would be family-friendly for me anyway.
00:32:13
Speaker
Or at least... What do you do that's family-friendly with that theme?
00:32:18
Speaker
Do you listen to Appetite Destruction?
00:32:20
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:32:20
Speaker
No.
00:32:20
Speaker
And actually, there's some things in... There's some music that...
00:32:27
Speaker
doesn't age super well.
00:32:30
Speaker
And when you listen to it again, you're thinking, wow, there's actually some things in here that I think would be
00:32:40
Speaker
challenging for all audiences now.
00:32:43
Speaker
And I try not to look too much on historical moments and try to use today's interpretation of morality or today's interpretation of social justice, because I think you get...
00:33:01
Speaker
there's a lot of, of blur, you know, of fuzzy lines that you get to, because, you know, I, I'm hoping that in 30 years, you know, when I'm, when I'm in my seventies and people look back on this time, they're going to have similar
Adapting Music Themes for Family Markets
00:33:17
Speaker
things.
00:33:17
Speaker
And so I think you kind of look back and say, yeah, it's, you can, I guess, appreciate it for what it is, but you can also say, it's not really something I want to, to do now.
00:33:29
Speaker
Um, there's a, there's a lot of things like that.
00:33:32
Speaker
You can look at all, all of basically Motley Crue's entire catalog.
00:33:36
Speaker
You could probably say that about, um, there's a lot of those songs where you're like, Ooh, those, I don't think those lyrics fly today.
00:33:45
Speaker
Um, but you know, I think Motley Crue would make a great pin.
00:33:50
Speaker
I really do.
00:33:51
Speaker
Well, and when I was going back through, like, I felt like I owed it since I loved music so much that I owed it to listen to those classic albums.
00:33:59
Speaker
And I listened to Guns N' Roses' Appetite for Destruction.
00:34:03
Speaker
And the first time through, I thought, this is the reason they said,
Cultural Norms and Music Themes
00:34:08
Speaker
sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
00:34:10
Speaker
Oh, no, absolutely.
00:34:10
Speaker
That is literally that album.
00:34:11
Speaker
No, it is, they are, it is a high octane ride.
00:34:16
Speaker
I was talking to one of my friends at work and she was talking about getting, because Guns N' Roses are coming to Utah this fall.
00:34:23
Speaker
And she was talking about bringing the whole family in.
00:34:27
Speaker
And, and I said, yeah, I'd be really interested to see you stand next to your daughter when they start singing.
00:34:33
Speaker
It's so easy.
00:34:35
Speaker
But, you know, Hey, again, my Michelle.
00:34:39
Speaker
Yeah, no, I know.
00:34:40
Speaker
But however, she, she watches game of Thrones with her entire family.
00:34:44
Speaker
It's a family affair.
00:34:45
Speaker
So she just kind of laughed and she's like, oh yeah, no, my, yeah, my, my kids are raised by wolves and they know it.
00:34:52
Speaker
So yeah, it's, again, it's choosing your audience.
00:34:56
Speaker
So I think that it's, I think the Guns N' Roses pin, there is certainly enough nostalgia that people will still buy it.
00:35:05
Speaker
Again, you're catering to 40s and 50 year old guys who have some disposable income now and have their heyday, you know, their nostalgia time, their nostalgia wheelhouse is the 80s right now.
00:35:19
Speaker
Well, and this brings up another interesting point.
00:35:23
Speaker
If you were joining us on the Flippin' Out stream on Monday, one of the questions that was brought up, do you think that the industry is now at a point...
Adult-Themed Pinball Feasibility
00:35:34
Speaker
that they could make, uh, that they couldn't make a porno pinball machine, like a playboy.
00:35:40
Speaker
And the argument was, is playboy isn't porn and dah, dah, dah, dah.
00:35:44
Speaker
But I'm like, I think, I think we're way past that.
00:35:47
Speaker
Like that's, I don't think that's a question that we make those kinds of pinball machines.
00:35:52
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:35:53
Speaker
I think it would be pretty, I think it would be pretty tone deaf in today's, um, environment.
00:35:59
Speaker
Um, I totally agree.
00:36:01
Speaker
We'll look at Lucy.
00:36:01
Speaker
Lucy,
00:36:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think when you look at it, I know there's markets for it.
00:36:10
Speaker
There's markets for strip clubs and those type of things out there.
00:36:17
Speaker
I don't really think that it's as mainstream as, I think that you need to look at your brand.
00:36:26
Speaker
And as Gary said many times on the interview with Martin,
00:36:32
Speaker
they're trying to make Stern a lifestyle brand.
00:36:34
Speaker
And so I don't think that they would want to merge a Stern lifestyle brand with a Playboy lifestyle brand.
Cultural Shifts and Theme Acceptability
00:36:43
Speaker
And it really is a different market.
00:36:46
Speaker
Yes, there's certainly going to be some overlap.
00:36:48
Speaker
I mean, obviously, obviously sex sells.
00:36:51
Speaker
That's that we, it has been proven time and time again.
00:36:56
Speaker
But that stereotype of sex,
00:37:02
Speaker
I guess I really, I'm trying not to get too much into social justice warrior discussions because that's not really my thing.
00:37:11
Speaker
And I know other podcasts feel more...
00:37:14
Speaker
Yeah, and they feel more impassioned about that.
00:37:17
Speaker
And that's fine.
00:37:19
Speaker
Pick your lane and embrace it.
00:37:21
Speaker
I guess I will say that in today's environment, I would think a Playboy theme would come across as an empowered man with a female who's used as more of a sex object than a partner.
00:37:43
Speaker
And I think that that would really sound very toned, uh, tone deaf in today's environment.
00:37:48
Speaker
Um, you know, it's, uh, it's obvious that that type of entertainment is still out there.
00:37:55
Speaker
And even I would say more aggressive versions of that type of entertainment with a video streaming now than certainly was ever, um,
00:38:05
Speaker
envisioned by the original founders of Playboy.
00:38:08
Speaker
But I just, again, I don't think that with all the other options for themes out there, why would you ever consider that?
Dutch Pinball Financial Challenges
00:38:18
Speaker
I don't know.
00:38:18
Speaker
And that's why I thought it was an interesting question.
00:38:20
Speaker
I don't see it.
00:38:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:24
Speaker
I just, I don't like, I just don't see it ever happening.
00:38:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:31
Speaker
Europe certainly has a different view of sexuality, and so maybe it would fly over there, but I do not see that as being something that flies over here.
00:38:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:43
Speaker
So it wouldn't be my thing.
00:38:44
Speaker
Let's move on from... I guess I'll put it that way.
00:38:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:48
Speaker
So let's move on from that subject now.
00:38:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:53
Speaker
Yeah, that took a few left turns in there.
00:38:54
Speaker
I'm going to talk about some...
00:38:56
Speaker
Yeah, I know.
00:38:57
Speaker
Welcome to my brain.
00:38:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:59
Speaker
It's a stream of consciousness.
00:39:00
Speaker
So...
00:39:03
Speaker
So next on my notes, we've got Dutch pinball and Yop's out.
00:39:08
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Uh, I hope his condition gets better.
00:39:12
Speaker
Um, but it sounds like Barry's going to go ahead and go on, press on, they lost the court case.
00:39:19
Speaker
Um, but it sounds like he's still going to try to make it work with ARA.
00:39:22
Speaker
They're going to try to do something that would eliminate the way that the court stuff went.
00:39:28
Speaker
Um, um,
00:39:29
Speaker
But he's asking 12-5 for the remaining 40-ish, I don't know, Big Lebowski's.
00:39:38
Speaker
And my understanding is these wouldn't go to the pre-order people, the one that backed it.
Strategies for Debt Repayment
00:39:44
Speaker
It would go to people that want to pay the 12-5 so that that way they could build more Big Lebowski's to give to the pre-order people.
00:39:52
Speaker
That doesn't make any sense to me.
00:39:54
Speaker
Oh, see, it actually does make sense to me because they're broke.
00:39:59
Speaker
So they can either fold up shop or they can sell the machines, get some revenue, and then they can continue to simultaneously sell new machines and build the old machines.
00:40:15
Speaker
So they're basically building new revenue while
00:40:19
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clearing out old debt.
00:40:22
Speaker
It really is the only way forward.
00:40:26
Speaker
I'm doubtful that this will do anything.
00:40:31
Speaker
I think that people have felt so... The whole thing on this project has turned sour.
00:40:41
Speaker
And I think that even people who their dream themes, The Big Lebowski, maybe...
00:40:48
Speaker
Now, I will say that Joe on Head to Head, Joe's a top 50 player, and he said the game shoots fantastically.
00:40:57
Speaker
So is it possible that people will still go all in and buy this because it is a well-designed game?
00:41:05
Speaker
Maybe.
00:41:07
Speaker
I don't see anybody giving them a dime without having the machine available.
00:41:14
Speaker
ready and with a, with a certified packing invoice because there's no goodwill whatsoever and there's no faith in the company.
00:41:25
Speaker
So the chance of, I think it is a hail Mary and the last opportunity for them to actually make anything of this
Crisis Management in Pinball Companies
00:41:34
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company.
00:41:34
Speaker
I'm doubtful it'll do, do anything.
00:41:39
Speaker
I agree.
00:41:41
Speaker
I just, I don't think there's enough faith there from anyone in the community to put their money, especially that much money right now into it.
00:41:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:51
Speaker
The, I think the, the only way to resurrect a bad situation like that is really what, what Deep Root's doing in that I mean,
00:42:03
Speaker
John Papaduke went through a similar flame war with just him not even making a game.
00:42:09
Speaker
I mean, at least Big Lebowski made a game, right?
00:42:14
Speaker
With Magic Girl, he didn't even get to a functional whitewood.
00:42:19
Speaker
I mean, that's how bad it was.
00:42:21
Speaker
And with Deep Root buying, basically coming in and hiring him,
00:42:29
Speaker
But knowing that would be a firestorm and so giving people the option of fulfilling a game through Deep Root, I see that as the only way of resurrecting it.
00:42:39
Speaker
And so unless Dutch Pinball has a similar sort of angel investor that comes in and helps them resurrect it.
00:42:48
Speaker
there's no chance they're ever going to, um, they're ever going to resurrect their reputation.
Recovery from Financial Challenges
00:42:54
Speaker
I mean, it's, it feels like a relationship that's turned sour and, and you went through a divorce and now you're, you're, you know, you're texting your ex and saying, Hey, you want to get back together?
00:43:08
Speaker
I just, I think that's unlikely to be long-term.
00:43:12
Speaker
I agree.
00:43:14
Speaker
Well, speaking of texting your ex.
00:43:15
Speaker
I wish them the best.
00:43:16
Speaker
I hope.
00:43:18
Speaker
Yeah, I, well, I, I really do wish them the best and I hope that something happens out of it.
00:43:23
Speaker
And I think that it's never a good thing when a pinball company goes belly up.
00:43:28
Speaker
I think it's always good if there are niches for multiple, multiple manufacturers, because I think they all drive each other to make a better product.
00:43:39
Speaker
So I wish them the best.
00:43:41
Speaker
I'm doubtful.
Pinball Podcast Community Celebration
00:43:44
Speaker
Well, speaking of texting your ex, I'm moving on because this story just has gotten so old to me with Dutch pinball.
00:43:51
Speaker
But moving on, texting your ex.
00:43:54
Speaker
We want to congratulate Head to Head on their 100th episode.
00:43:58
Speaker
And Ryan was back.
00:43:59
Speaker
And it was kind of funny because they joked that he was the ex-girlfriend coming back.
00:44:04
Speaker
um but hey they made they made it work it was like stepmom and biological mom and dad all getting together to give the best christmas ever to us kids well yeah no that's all i mean really uh i mean we know that ryan kind of stepped away because i think that um this is me projecting i think he enjoyed the podcast but
00:44:28
Speaker
with anything there's drama.
00:44:30
Speaker
And I, and just as I said, why I get into pinball is to, is to avoid, you know, drama flame wars.
00:44:38
Speaker
And I'm just trying to have a good time.
00:44:40
Speaker
I think that it was difficult for Ryan to do that and do the podcast at the same time.
00:44:44
Speaker
So I really with, with Ryan's blessing, Martin transitioned to Joe, which I think is a great, it's a great transition.
00:44:53
Speaker
Ryan certainly always welcome back.
00:44:54
Speaker
And,
00:44:55
Speaker
And it's a great podcast that we're still trying to chase their example because they do such a
Pinball Podcasting Dynamics
00:45:01
Speaker
great job.
00:45:01
Speaker
I'm not nearly as funny as Ryan and I'm not nearly as funny as Martin.
00:45:06
Speaker
I agree.
00:45:07
Speaker
Well, not that you're not as funny as that, but I agree with what you've said about their podcast.
00:45:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:11
Speaker
And really, I wanted so badly to enter in for the Penn Stadium Lights, but I just didn't feel that I could do it because I was like, oh, because I know Martin and I felt that if my name was drawn, I'd think, oh, I kind of stuffed the ballot, even though I didn't.
00:45:27
Speaker
But anyway, congratulations to their stuffed ballader.
00:45:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:35
Speaker
It was awesome.
00:45:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:37
Speaker
And also, congratulations, guys, on getting that Gary Stern interview.
00:45:40
Speaker
That was fantastic.
00:45:41
Speaker
I don't think anyone else in this industry has done anything that epic, in my opinion.
00:45:47
Speaker
And it just, it was great.
00:45:48
Speaker
You know, they got stuff out of him instead of the typical Gary Stern interview responses.
00:45:54
Speaker
It was a great one.
00:45:55
Speaker
I thought that guy kind of turned into a drinking game every time he talked about Stern being a lifestyle brand.
00:46:02
Speaker
But yeah, hey, you know, that's Gary's move.
00:46:05
Speaker
Gary's move is to try to monetize and work things forward.
00:46:08
Speaker
And I think it certainly showed in his mind that,
00:46:13
Speaker
Ultimately, he's a business guy who's trying to move
Twippy Awards Contenders
00:46:16
Speaker
product.
00:46:16
Speaker
And that's the whole point of, of keeping the line going.
00:46:20
Speaker
So they're the ones who are currently the most successful at it.
00:46:26
Speaker
So my question to you is, I know that a lot of people have said that head to head has kind of sloped off, but I want to do a prediction right now.
00:46:34
Speaker
Let's talk Twippies.
00:46:35
Speaker
It's, it's July.
00:46:37
Speaker
I mean, we're still six months away, right?
00:46:39
Speaker
I still think Head to Head is a top contender along with the others for this year's tour.
00:46:46
Speaker
Yeah, I would put them as the one to beat.
00:46:49
Speaker
They're the ones who seem to do... One, they're the most consistent podcast that I listen to, and they're the ones who...
00:46:57
Speaker
they really have solid takes on things.
00:46:59
Speaker
And, and, you know, I, I enjoy listening to them.
00:47:01
Speaker
There's so many podcasts out there, including ours.
00:47:04
Speaker
So, um, I, I think that they are the, um, they're the go-to right
Social Media Presence for Podcasts
00:47:12
Speaker
now.
00:47:12
Speaker
Uh, I, that I, I feel when I'm thinking, Oh, what do I want to listen to?
00:47:16
Speaker
Um, that's not taking away from any of the other podcasts I listened to.
00:47:20
Speaker
Um, I, uh, it just seems that head to heads doing something on a, uh,
00:47:25
Speaker
it's a more entertaining but uh educational level i don't know how else to describe it yep i agree well and i just think that there is a lot of quality podcasts out there i really wonder what is going to happen with because one of the ones that have hit the radar that's done fantastic this year is this weekend pinball's personal podcast but how does that work with a twippy like
00:47:54
Speaker
Is there going to be controversy surrounding that?
00:47:56
Speaker
I mean, it is July.
00:47:57
Speaker
I don't... Maybe it's something we don't worry about until we get to that bridge.
00:47:59
Speaker
I don't know.
00:48:00
Speaker
It's such a small thing.
00:48:03
Speaker
This is just people voting.
00:48:06
Speaker
I really... I can't see it being a big deal on any level.
00:48:12
Speaker
I'm sure it feels good if you win one, and I guarantee we're not going to win one.
00:48:18
Speaker
But I think that it's...
00:48:22
Speaker
Yeah, but you know what I mean?
00:48:24
Speaker
I don't, is it possible?
00:48:26
Speaker
But man, if you're complaining that a podcast that's getting zero revenue and zero money other than maybe $100 Patreon and they stuff the ballot for basically, I don't want to say a fake award, but just a, hey, a popularity contest.
00:48:44
Speaker
No, I don't see it being a big deal.
00:48:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:49
Speaker
Good point.
00:48:50
Speaker
So it's going to be interesting.
00:48:52
Speaker
We'll see what happens.
00:48:53
Speaker
You know, words usually fly when we get to that time of the season and we haven't been a part of those words this, you know, we've only been going since January.
00:48:59
Speaker
So, um, yeah.
00:49:02
Speaker
We'll see.
00:49:03
Speaker
It'll be interesting as it always is.
00:49:05
Speaker
Yeah, I think
Loser Kid Podcast Merchandising
00:49:08
Speaker
so.
00:49:08
Speaker
But well, before we get going, um, we have got these sweet freaking hats.
00:49:14
Speaker
Um, and I want to give away one.
00:49:16
Speaker
We do have them now in small slash medium or in large slash extra large.
00:49:21
Speaker
Uh, if you did see dead flip was wearing our hat and it looked very snug and perfect on his head.
00:49:25
Speaker
He said it fits great and he loves it.
00:49:28
Speaker
Um, we also sent one off to Steve Ritchie and to Keith Elwin and they're both loving theirs as well.
00:49:33
Speaker
We've got theirs emails back saying they were awesome.
00:49:36
Speaker
Um, but anywho, enough about that.
00:49:39
Speaker
Let's, let's give one of these bad boys away.
00:49:41
Speaker
So I was talking to Scott before the podcast of how we're going to do this.
00:49:46
Speaker
Um,
00:49:47
Speaker
Anyone that has liked our page or does like our page in the next two weeks will be automatically entered in to the contest.
00:49:58
Speaker
We will only mail these to the 48 states.
00:50:03
Speaker
I don't know what it is to ship it to.
00:50:05
Speaker
We'll look at Alaska and Hawaii.
00:50:06
Speaker
I don't know.
00:50:09
Speaker
We'll check out shipping rates.
00:50:11
Speaker
If it costs more than 20 bucks.
00:50:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:13
Speaker
If it costs more than 20 bucks, sorry, you're not getting a hat.
00:50:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:17
Speaker
We looked at shipping one to Australia and $110 is not our cup of tea.
00:50:21
Speaker
So, but if you're willing to pay the shipping, we'll go that far.
00:50:25
Speaker
How about that?
00:50:25
Speaker
If you, if you're willing to pay the shipping, we will ship you the hat.
Podcast Marketing Strategies
00:50:28
Speaker
Or if, if you win it and you do live in Australia, but you're going to be here for like Pinberg or whatever, we'll see what we can do.
00:50:34
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:50:35
Speaker
we'll figure it out.
00:50:36
Speaker
You know what?
00:50:36
Speaker
How about this?
00:50:37
Speaker
We'll give you, we'll give you a hat and shipping up to $20.
00:50:39
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:40
Speaker
Sounds like a plan.
00:50:44
Speaker
So like our page, they'll give you one, one entry.
00:50:49
Speaker
If you leave us a review, um,
00:50:52
Speaker
that'll give you another entry.
00:50:54
Speaker
The thing with the reviews though, it's hard to tell like on Apple cause it's just a star thing and it doesn't actually leave a name next to it.
00:51:01
Speaker
So if you will like send us a screenshot to the loser kid, pinball podcast at gmail.com just saying, Hey, here's my picture.
00:51:08
Speaker
I did the review.
00:51:10
Speaker
Awesome.
00:51:11
Speaker
And then, yeah.
00:51:13
Speaker
So every, every like every review is an entry.
00:51:16
Speaker
So yeah,
00:51:18
Speaker
Easy enough.
Audience Interaction Encouragement
00:51:20
Speaker
You know what?
00:51:20
Speaker
Sounds good.
00:51:21
Speaker
And I would actually even prioritize and say that if you've liked it, you get one.
00:51:27
Speaker
If you give us a review, you get two more.
00:51:29
Speaker
So you get three for your efforts.
00:51:32
Speaker
And obviously five stars work, but you know what?
00:51:34
Speaker
This is a free country and do whatever your heart dictates.
00:51:40
Speaker
I will just put this out.
00:51:42
Speaker
We strive to put out a good product.
00:51:44
Speaker
I know that we...
00:51:45
Speaker
I will tell you what, I am impressed with the quality of some of the other podcasts.
00:51:49
Speaker
We're definitely not up to their standard, but we're doing what we love.
00:51:51
Speaker
And if you love what we're doing, then give us five stars.
00:51:55
Speaker
Simple as that.
00:51:57
Speaker
So.
00:51:59
Speaker
And if you have suggestions, go ahead and send them in.
00:52:01
Speaker
Josh reads them all.
00:52:03
Speaker
I don't have to read them.
00:52:07
Speaker
And we're happy to hear your comments, questions, concerns, compliments, constructive criticism, whatever it is.
Acknowledgment of Influential Podcasts
00:52:16
Speaker
Suggestions.
00:52:16
Speaker
We've had a couple people write.
00:52:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:19
Speaker
And so.
00:52:20
Speaker
I just want to give a quick shout out to special when lit.
00:52:24
Speaker
They did their one year anniversary episode just a couple episodes back.
00:52:28
Speaker
Fantastic first season.
00:52:29
Speaker
They're calling it season one and now they're on season two.
00:52:32
Speaker
Fantastic job, boys.
00:52:33
Speaker
You guys are doing great.
00:52:34
Speaker
Ken and Bill, you're killing it.
00:52:36
Speaker
There's another podcast, Raising the Standard, man, between them and This Week in Pinball and Head to Head.
00:52:43
Speaker
It's insane for the rest of us to live up to that.
00:52:45
Speaker
You guys are doing great.
00:52:48
Speaker
Also, a couple podcasts have come out since we've actually...
00:52:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:51
Speaker
We are all chasing.
00:52:52
Speaker
Another couple of podcasts that have come out, uh, Lauren gray with the back box pinball podcast.
00:52:58
Speaker
If you haven't checked her out, it's very awesome.
00:53:00
Speaker
Uh, all ladies podcast.
00:53:01
Speaker
She's the host and then she interviews female co-hosts.
00:53:04
Speaker
So good interview, uh, slash pinball podcast.
00:53:08
Speaker
Check it out.
Personal Pinball Collection Updates
00:53:10
Speaker
So,
00:53:12
Speaker
Uh, I think that's all I had on my plate.
00:53:13
Speaker
Is there anything else you wanted to talk about?
00:53:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:15
Speaker
Oh, let's talk about collection.
00:53:17
Speaker
You were talking about different things.
00:53:18
Speaker
So actually I, I had an impulse sell today and, um, I, I actually have a, uh, I have a Terminator that I'm looking at selling and it's a, it's your typical Terminator.
00:53:32
Speaker
It's functional.
00:53:33
Speaker
It's, it's been routed.
00:53:34
Speaker
Uh, but it's been, uh,
00:53:36
Speaker
my friend's been pin sitting it for a while and I figured, you know what?
00:53:39
Speaker
It's, it's time to, to sell that and find a new home for it.
00:53:43
Speaker
It's not going to come back into my collection.
00:53:46
Speaker
So I don't know, I guess I'm looking at moving that along.
00:53:51
Speaker
I have a friend who I bought a lot of my really nice pins from.
00:53:56
Speaker
He is the one who said he was interested in the Terminator.
00:53:59
Speaker
And then he saw it and he's like, yeah, it's, and it's, it's routed.
00:54:02
Speaker
So it's not that home use only, which I don't know of any Terminator that would be.
00:54:06
Speaker
Um, but he said, um, yeah, you should sell me your X-Men.
00:54:11
Speaker
And I actually bought it from him.
00:54:12
Speaker
So, and he's, he knows the, uh, it's, it's the nicest X-Men you'll ever see.
00:54:18
Speaker
It's, uh, it has a lot of mods and it looks really cool.
00:54:20
Speaker
And I thought, you know what?
00:54:21
Speaker
I have Tron and I have X-Men and they're very similar games.
00:54:25
Speaker
And I, there are other games that I'd like to try.
00:54:29
Speaker
So I said, sure, go ahead.
00:54:31
Speaker
Um, so I'm going to be moving that on.
Collecting and Trading Dynamics
00:54:34
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I, you know, I wasn't really anticipating.
00:54:38
Speaker
I think it's a beautiful game.
00:54:39
Speaker
I do love the look of the game, but I find I just don't play it as much.
00:54:42
Speaker
And so maybe it's time to find another home and maybe he buys it for a while and maybe I buy back from him.
00:54:48
Speaker
I don't know.
00:54:50
Speaker
Um,
00:54:51
Speaker
I did, there was a, on the page here, there was a, there was a laser war that came up.
00:55:00
Speaker
So I, it said it was functional.
00:55:03
Speaker
So I bought it and it was $400.
00:55:05
Speaker
And of course it's not.
00:55:06
Speaker
So I'm actually going to take that up to a, to a pinball, like the pinball mechanic who's here locally.
00:55:12
Speaker
And I'm,
00:55:14
Speaker
I, he does high quality work and I try to make sure I keep him.
00:55:19
Speaker
I don't really have time to work on a lot of these big issues.
00:55:23
Speaker
I can do small issues.
00:55:26
Speaker
But having him, you know, taking it up to him and say, Hey, go over it, figure it out.
00:55:33
Speaker
And, and so that laser war, which is, it's really a fantastically, um,
00:55:39
Speaker
bad art package um from the late 70s it's it's it's a lady with really fierce eye shadow um
00:55:52
Speaker
And so I'll be doing that.
00:55:53
Speaker
And there's a genie that Jeff Rivera has moved on.
00:55:59
Speaker
And so that will spend some time here.
00:56:01
Speaker
So I don't really mix up my collection that much.
00:56:05
Speaker
So I was a little surprised that I'm selling two games and getting two cheaper ones that just at least to try for a while and probably move those on too.
00:56:15
Speaker
I feel that I've had my collection long enough that I feel that I'm okay to pin around a little bit, to buy and sell games.
00:56:25
Speaker
I was always surprised that people were able to buy and sell games.
00:56:29
Speaker
And I think I've reached that point where I said, you know what?
00:56:33
Speaker
You don't have to buy something and have it forever.
00:56:35
Speaker
It just doesn't...
00:56:37
Speaker
my attitude is if you have that grail pin, it's still out there.
00:56:41
Speaker
It's not like it's, it's unobtainable.
00:56:44
Speaker
You will eventually find someone who has it in their home collection and says, yeah.
00:56:50
Speaker
Okay.
00:56:50
Speaker
It's time to move that on and then you'll be able to pick it up.
00:56:53
Speaker
So yeah, that's, that's finding a new home.
00:56:56
Speaker
And I actually have a really nice twilight zone.
00:56:59
Speaker
That's been in my garage sadly for a year.
00:57:01
Speaker
And so that will make it make its way downstairs.
00:57:04
Speaker
I know it's pathetic.
00:57:05
Speaker
Right.
00:57:06
Speaker
So yeah,
00:57:07
Speaker
No, it's not too bad, man.
00:57:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:09
Speaker
Actually, that reminds me.
00:57:10
Speaker
I've got a pinball machine that's been in my garage for five years.
00:57:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:13
Speaker
Well, that is your, yeah.
00:57:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:16
Speaker
Actually, that reminds me.
00:57:16
Speaker
I should probably go and change the batteries on it.
00:57:20
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:57:22
Speaker
So what about you?
00:57:25
Speaker
My co-elections pretty much stayed the same.
00:57:27
Speaker
I'm trying... The problem is it's the hot time of the season, so I'm working crazy amounts of overtime right now.
00:57:33
Speaker
So I've barely even got to turn on my pinball machines, but I had an offer.
00:57:37
Speaker
Someone knew that I'd been looking for Wizard of Oz for forever now, and it just kills me because right now I just can't... If it was any other time in my life, we're selling my home, we're building a new home, we've bought land.
00:57:52
Speaker
I mean, we're just...
00:57:54
Speaker
we're trying to figure out where to store the four I have.
00:57:56
Speaker
And it's like, well, how the crap are we going to store that one on top of all of it?
00:58:00
Speaker
And so it's just, what do you do?
00:58:03
Speaker
And so, yeah.
00:58:07
Speaker
Here's my take.
00:58:08
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And I told you before, you mentioned it.
00:58:09
Speaker
And I said, well, let me give you my take on the podcast.
00:58:13
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My take is that pin's going to be out there.
00:58:18
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not really the best use of your money right now.
00:58:21
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So I would move on.
00:58:22
Speaker
And you could even consider selling one or two of your games if you need the money.
00:58:31
Speaker
If you remember Don from, you know, Don and Jeff with the original Pinball Podcast, he had a Wizard of Oz and he finally sold it so he can do some landscaping.
00:58:40
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So I think that you're probably going to be in that same boat where building a house is way more expensive than you think.
00:58:49
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Well, and here's the other big thing too.
00:58:52
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And don't tell my wife I told you guys this.
00:58:55
Speaker
She's not pregnant again.
00:58:56
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I am deathly afraid to get this thing in my collection.
00:58:58
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No, no, no.
00:58:59
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I'm deathly afraid to get this in my collection and then it never is allowed to leave.
00:59:04
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Like, don't get me wrong.
00:59:05
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I enjoy Wizard of Oz.
00:59:07
Speaker
It's a fantastic game.
00:59:08
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It's pretty fun.
00:59:09
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But I get in mood sometimes.
00:59:12
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I'm like, I'm done with it.
00:59:13
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I'm ready to move on.
00:59:15
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I don't think I'll be allowed to move on from this one.
00:59:17
Speaker
So yeah, that's kind of your wife's grail pen.
00:59:19
Speaker
So I would hold off a little bit on that.
00:59:21
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Yeah.
00:59:22
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I, I have, uh, my wife has a, well, there's three of my pens that she's, that she said you can't sell.
00:59:29
Speaker
Um, one's wizard of Oz.
00:59:31
Speaker
One is, um, uh, attack from Mars.
00:59:35
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Oh, actually I guess there's four, uh, attack from Mars, wizard of Oz, medieval madness, and stern pirates of the Caribbean.
00:59:43
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So those are her games that she likes to play.
00:59:46
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And so, um, yeah, those aren't moving.
00:59:49
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So I, I have to see, and I'd be, I'd be fine with that.
00:59:52
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Yeah.
00:59:53
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But with, with limited space right now, I don't want to be taking up with that space.
00:59:57
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Yeah.
00:59:58
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Like as soon as we get the house bill, the basement's ready.
01:00:01
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I'd be totally fine with throwing a was down there.
01:00:03
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Yeah.
01:00:03
Speaker
There's a few games where I would, I would love to have at some point, um, you know, wizard of Oz or not wizard of Oz.
01:00:09
Speaker
Lord of the Rings is one of those.
01:00:11
Speaker
Um, I have a,
01:00:12
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good friend who lives two miles away, who is one of my partners at work.
01:00:17
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And he has, he's the one that has the amazing Bally Williams collection.
01:00:21
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So he has a beautiful one, so I can always play that.
01:00:25
Speaker
And so I thought there's no point in me getting one right now.
01:00:30
Speaker
We don't need to have matching sets of everything.
01:00:32
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We already have about four that, well, I guess three.
01:00:36
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We have Medieval Madness.
01:00:37
Speaker
We have Attack from Mars.
01:00:41
Speaker
And for a while, he had Pirates of the Caribbean.
01:00:44
Speaker
But other than that, we have pretty different collections.
01:00:47
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So I would like to, I don't know, I'm not sure where I'll go next.
01:00:55
Speaker
But I think that it'll be nice to kind of mix it up a little bit.
01:01:00
Speaker
I agree.
01:01:01
Speaker
Well, and the thing, honestly, the pinball machines I'm looking for right now, I do want an early stern.
01:01:05
Speaker
I'm looking at... Hey, how about a laser war after I fix it up?
01:01:09
Speaker
I'm good.
01:01:10
Speaker
I don't want a laser war.
01:01:11
Speaker
I want like a meteor.
01:01:12
Speaker
We just recently had the Salt Lake Gaming Con and someone had a Quicksilver there, which I don't want a Quicksilver because if I'm going to spend that kind of money, I'm going to get a different pinball machine.
01:01:22
Speaker
But they had a Quicksilver there.
01:01:24
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:25
Speaker
They had a Stars there.
01:01:26
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:29
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those games play fantastically.
01:01:30
Speaker
I got addicted.
01:01:31
Speaker
It was one of those things where it's just like one more game, one more game.
01:01:35
Speaker
And so I really think, uh, I have a gentleman that I know that he collects the classic sterns and stuff like that.
01:01:43
Speaker
And he's got a meteor he's going to get rid of soon.
01:01:45
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He said, I mean, uh, I'll be the first person on his list.
01:01:48
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So, okay.
01:01:50
Speaker
So I can justify that.
01:01:54
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the 800 bucks.
01:01:54
Speaker
Yeah, no, I, I would totally buy that too.
01:01:56
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:57
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Set it up.
01:01:57
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My parent.
01:01:58
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:59
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Yeah.
01:01:59
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And have someone pin set it or sit it or something, you know what I'm saying?
01:02:02
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Well, that's one that we'll have to pass around a little bit.
01:02:04
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Cause I want to spend some time with meteor too.
01:02:07
Speaker
I wouldn't mind getting stars.
01:02:08
Speaker
Wouldn't mind getting meteor.
01:02:11
Speaker
even some of the other wide ones.
01:02:13
Speaker
I'm really looking forward to getting the Genie just because it's a fun game.
01:02:18
Speaker
I know it's beautiful, it's fun, and it's just different.
01:02:23
Speaker
So I really liked having that variety in my collection.
01:02:28
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So I'm looking forward to that.
01:02:31
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I agree.
01:02:32
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So, um, yeah, I think that pretty much wraps it up for what we were talking about.
01:02:37
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A quick preview.
01:02:38
Speaker
We're going to have Bowen on here soon.
01:02:40
Speaker
Uh, he's been in Utah.
01:02:41
Speaker
We've been trying to get with him to do a recording.
01:02:44
Speaker
It's just been chaos for all of us.
01:02:46
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Um, but we're going to get him on.
01:02:49
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um we've talked to some other people uh head to head we're probably gonna get them on here soon too and uh yeah we've we got a couple more in the pipeline that we're excited about uh we don't want to be strictly interview but we enjoy having them on the other guys and just bsing uh we've we had so much good response with the keith l1 interview it's like why not yeah i think it's nice to to be able to at least pick their brains i i
01:03:13
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You and I have a different approach to asking some questions than other people.
01:03:20
Speaker
It's mainly questions that I've listened to the other interviews, and I think those are all great, and you guys filled up most of the, I guess, the common questions.
01:03:31
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And so I've been able to think, well, what else is out there?
01:03:33
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So it's been really fun to talk to some of these legends that they're willing to come on and talk with us, and so we've really appreciated that.
01:03:43
Speaker
And yeah, I'm really looking forward to talking to Bowen and talk about him being involved with Replay and Pinnberg.
01:03:53
Speaker
And I'm curious to find out the challenges of him.
01:03:57
Speaker
He's a top level player and I would argue elite.
01:04:05
Speaker
Um, since right now there's no Papa competition, does he feel conflicted that Pinberg is the elite competition that it's his, so he can't actually compete in it.
01:04:16
Speaker
Uh, I don't know.
01:04:17
Speaker
I, I'm just curious about that.
01:04:18
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And if you have any other questions that you want to, uh, submit and have us, uh, talk about with him, um, sure he would love to answer those.
01:04:27
Speaker
Um, he's certainly always been friendly to us.
01:04:30
Speaker
Uh, even when we were, uh, new in the, um, new in the hobby, um,
01:04:35
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I'd send him a message occasionally until I finally actually got the courage to ask him to be a friend on Facebook.
01:04:43
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But yeah, he's always responded and it's been nice to me.
01:04:45
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So anyway, if you guys have anything else to question us, we will love to pass it on.
01:04:53
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
01:04:54
Speaker
And remember, you can send us emails at loserkidpinballpodcast at gmail.com.
01:05:01
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Honestly, one of the quickest ways to get our response is through Facebook.
01:05:05
Speaker
We do now have an Instagram.
01:05:06
Speaker
I don't know what we're going to post, but it seems like more people are following us on Instagram than we are on Facebook.
01:05:12
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:12
Speaker
Whatever works.
01:05:14
Speaker
And you don't, you don't have to, you don't also don't have to win a, if you don't have to win a hat.
01:05:21
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If you want one, we actually bought some extras and we will sell them.
01:05:24
Speaker
We're basically just selling them for price.
01:05:27
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So if you want them, we'd love to sell them and send them out to you.
01:05:30
Speaker
So I think they're actually great looking hats.
01:05:33
Speaker
Yep.
01:05:35
Speaker
Josh did a great job of choosing the high quality hats.
01:05:37
Speaker
I, I never liked the ones that, um, when I saw Stern's hat, the original one, I thought I'm not really that interested in it.
01:05:44
Speaker
Cause I, it looked kind of like a, a cheaper trucker hat.
01:05:48
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And then I just spontaneously bought one at, uh, the Denver, uh, show and I love it.
01:05:55
Speaker
It's a great hat.
01:05:55
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And Josh picked out one that was similar quality.
01:05:58
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So I, I really like wearing it.
01:05:59
Speaker
So.
01:06:01
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Well, I don't know if you guys have read our post on it, but it is the new era hats.
01:06:07
Speaker
It's like what all the professional sports teams use for their product.
01:06:12
Speaker
It's just a nice, comfortable hat.
01:06:13
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Everyone that's wore it loves it.
01:06:14
Speaker
So if you want one, hit us up.
01:06:17
Speaker
If you want to wait until we're in person, if you want to come to one of the shows that we hit up, you can wait until then too.
01:06:23
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Um, and I think we'll be doing, um, we'll do some more stuff in the future too, besides hats, but that's what we're going with right now.
01:06:31
Speaker
We figured it's something different.
01:06:32
Speaker
Everyone else is doing t-shirts.
01:06:34
Speaker
We'll do that.
01:06:34
Speaker
I think, I think hats is something you can wear all the time.
01:06:36
Speaker
T-shirts is something you wear, uh, you know, a couple of times a year, especially when you're exercising and your actual t-shirts are, um, the ones you exercise in are dirty.
01:06:48
Speaker
Possibly.
01:06:49
Speaker
Or it's what you wear to a pinball event because it says pinball on it.
01:06:52
Speaker
You represent, man.
01:06:53
Speaker
You represent.
01:06:54
Speaker
Exactly.
01:06:55
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So one last thing, not that anyone has said that we've offended them, but if we have said something that you feel like we've stepped on your toes and whatnot, just reach out to us.
01:07:07
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Nothing we've said is with the intent to offend or to hurt your feelings.
01:07:12
Speaker
I don't know.
01:07:14
Speaker
Our goal is a low drama pinball podcast.
01:07:16
Speaker
Other people may want more in their life.
01:07:19
Speaker
This is not why I'm doing this.
01:07:21
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:23
Speaker
Yeah, so we want to be here for the pure enjoyment of pinball.
01:07:28
Speaker
Like I said, there is a lot of...
01:07:32
Speaker
Yeah, we'll just leave it at that.
01:07:33
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I'm not going to go any further because if I go any further, I'll probably step on some toes.
01:07:38
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So once again, reach out to us, loserkidpinballpodcast at gmail.com, Facebook, Instagram, SoundCloud, whatever your heart's desire.
01:07:46
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01:07:58
Speaker
Uh, thanks for listening to us.
01:07:59
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We really appreciate it.
01:08:00
Speaker
It's, it's been a fun ride so far and we're really like, Hey, see you soon.
01:08:03
Speaker
All right.
01:08:05
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See you there, man.