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Speaker: Thanks for tuning into the loser kid pinball podcast.
Speaker: You are on episode 13.
Speaker: I am Josh Roop along with my co-captain as always.
Speaker: Scott Larson.
Speaker: And we're bringing you the latest and greatest news, which is actually very much picked up lately.
Speaker: So where should we start Scott?
Speaker: Uh, I think we should start off with San Diego.
Speaker: Although I wish I could go to San Diego comic-con.
Speaker: Um, it doesn't seem to be happening this year.
Speaker: And, uh,
Speaker: it seems that Stern is making a big push at Comic-Con, which I think is a great move for them.
Speaker: I totally agree.
Speaker: It's awesome that they are getting a lot of the material out there that would be Comic-Con worthy too.
Speaker: Last year, wasn't Deadpool out before Comic-Con last year and they had it there?
Speaker: Yeah, I think they were certainly pushing it and it resonates very well with the Comic-Con crowd theme.
Speaker: Just their characters and their cosplays and everything.
Speaker: I think it works really well for them and
Speaker: If Stern is going to, well, any pinball company really is trying to branch out.
Speaker: The challenge is you need to be true to your core fans, which is great.
Speaker: Doing things like ReplayFX, Expo, going to Texas.
Speaker: That's great.
Speaker: You're also, you tend to get the same echo chamber.
Speaker: You tend to get the same people who are going and seeing, and most of them will know the news, whether or not they go to the show.
Speaker: If you go to a show that...
Speaker: the San Diego Comic-Con is huge.
Speaker: I've never been, Comic-Cons have never really been my thing, but I appreciate that there are tons of people who are highly invested in and quite literally spend a boatload of money on their hobbies.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So if you are going to try to branch out and to really reintroduce pinball to the masses, I think that's a great place to go.
Speaker: So we're talking Deadpool was last year.
Speaker: What are we getting this year?
Speaker: Well, we actually just got a leak that we saw posted and everyone thought it was Keith Elwin's game.
Speaker: And it looks like the Star Wars Home Edition.
Speaker: So I think it actually works out really well for the Comic-Con crowd.
Speaker: I think it's more accessible for the casual player, although still the home pin, it's still a luxury item.
Speaker: I know that pinball fans and people who have machines in their own house, they tend to be dismissive of these type of projects just because it's not your...
Speaker: It's not your location-ready pinball machine.
Speaker: Typically, it doesn't have a coin door.
Speaker: Typically, it doesn't have a way of operating it.
Speaker: And in many ways, people feel this is the ultra-light version of pinball, which is true on some ways.
Speaker: However, it's also if they're going to sell to different markets, you need to offer different products.
Speaker: And even a $4,000 pinball machine is a luxury.
Speaker: It's a, it's a luxury item that you can get it.
Speaker: You can get a used car for $4,000, not a great car, but you can get a used car one.
Speaker: And if you think about the average income, average disposable income that people have, that's a, that's a big chunk of change.
Speaker: So when Salt Lake was allowed to call their comic book convention, Comic-Con, they were getting very big actors.
Speaker: They still are as fan acts, but.
Speaker: Back when it was Comic-Con, they got Chris Evans, a.k.a.
Speaker: Captain America, to come out, and it was $200 to meet him.
Speaker: You could meet him along with Anthony Mackie, a.k.a.
Speaker: The Falcon, or Hayley Atwell, which was Captain America's love interest from the first movie she went on to get her own TV series.
Speaker: But at $200, that's just to meet one person and get a picture.
Speaker: And you had tons of these people.
Speaker: You had...
Speaker: Ian Somerhalder from Vampire Diaries.
Speaker: I don't watch Vampire Diaries.
Speaker: It's not my cup of tea.
Speaker: My wife does.
Speaker: But it was still 70 bucks to meet the dude.
Speaker: You can't tell me these people aren't going to Comic Cons and not dropping 500 to $1,000.
Speaker: easily just meeting people.
Speaker: I think these people that go to these comic cons are a little, they got a little cash in their pocket.
Speaker: If they walk up to a star Wars pinball machine, it's a little more accessible.
Speaker: This home pin then, or not home pins, right?
Speaker: This home edition, we don't want to confuse it with Thunderbirds, but I think it's more accessible than say Deadpool.
Speaker: That's at 5,800 compared to the 4,000.
Speaker: That's just my take on it.
Speaker: I mean, there's people walking around with tons of money at those things.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And, and really, um, my, uh, my cousin, uh, my sister went to my cousin's house and they have a really, really nice house with all the toys and bells and whistles.
Speaker: I, I didn't go, but she came back and she said, they have a pinball machine.
Speaker: And I said, oh, w which one is it?
Speaker: And she said, it's Ghostbusters.
Speaker: And I thought,
Speaker: I totally understand why they bought a Ghostbusters.
Speaker: The Ghostbusters is beautiful.
Speaker: I think it resonates with people because of the theme.
Speaker: And they're not going to notice all the challenges with the Ghostbuster game that we notice as, I guess, regular pinball players.
Speaker: So, I think that having a home version with a theme that's quite accessible, I think that you will get some people who will buy something for their rec room.
Speaker: If you look at other, what are other rec room options?
Speaker: We've talked about this before.
Speaker: The arcade one-up standalone things that you put, people buy those and what, they're like $300, $350.
Speaker: And so they can actually have that into their, into their game room.
Speaker: And if you're buying, and again, some, the, the arcade guys are so dismissive of these, these reproductions, these emulators, because it's not the real thing.
Speaker: However, I look at that and say, look, I, I don't want to spend a thousand dollars, $1,500, $2,000 for a genuine Donkey Kong machine.
Speaker: Because it's even though I think it's really cool, that takes up a big footprint and these smaller ones, you can fit more into a smaller space and still get your.
Speaker: get your giggles that way.
Speaker: And so it's the same type of thing that you can fit a similar product into a home market that's never intended to go to tournament play.
Speaker: It's never really intended to go on location, but as someone who wants a fun thing for their home arcade, and are you telling me that people aren't interested in Star Wars memorabilia?
Speaker: I was just at Disneyland and they just opened Star Wars Land and the entire place is basically
Speaker: one like one marketer's dream for Star Wars and there's one ride and there is a full on first order Stormtrooper outfit that you can buy for over $6,000 that's a costume and people will buy that not many but enough to make it worth it
Speaker: Well, case in point, we've talked about this a couple times over the 13 episodes that Star Wars may not be considered one of the best pinball machines made in the last however long.
Speaker: It's very bipolar in the hobby.
Speaker: But you talk to operators, it's the number one earning pinball machine out on location.
Speaker: I see it at more places that should have pinball machines that don't, like bowling alleys.
Speaker: We went to a bowling alley there in Orem a month or two ago, and there was a Star Wars pinball machine in there.
Speaker: And two buildings down at the Nickelcade, there was a Star Wars machine in there.
Speaker: And you know what I'm saying?
Speaker: It seems like...
Speaker: If you're operating, you have a Star Wars on location because they rake in so much money.
Speaker: So these people that are on the fence of buying a pinball machine, you drop two grand off the price, it suddenly becomes more appealing.
Speaker: And a lot of these people are trying just to get one in their home, aren't looking at what's the rules, what's the code, what's the, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker: I mean, this thing, when you're looking at the pictures, it's pretty much the exact replica of the Spider-Man slash Supreme layout.
Speaker: I mean, the inserts are in the same places.
Speaker: It's to a T. It's a home edition based off those other two games.
Speaker: And so it's going to shoot fun.
Speaker: It's going to be a fun playing game.
Speaker: If you base off the other two games, so I just don't see why this is a big deal.
Speaker: Many to us collectors, it is, but we're going to see Jurassic Park or Jurassic World.
Speaker: Whatever the Keith Elwin rumored game is, we're going to see it in two weeks.
Speaker: I thought it was Golden Girls 2.
Speaker: Golden Girls 2.
Speaker: We've talked Golden Girls.
Speaker: We've talked Hello Kitty.
Speaker: Actually, you know what?
Speaker: Okay, this is true.
Speaker: Did you see Keith Elwin posted on his Facebook update
Speaker: that he was celebrating the moon landing.
Speaker: And so here's my prediction.
Speaker: It's going to be the sequel to Orbiter 1.
Speaker: you know what, that man, I bet could take over one and actually make it fun.
Speaker: So yeah, I think he could challenge accepted, challenge offered.
Speaker: I think he's going to, I think he's going to do a hard, hard pass on that one.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: We'll offer that up and let's see what he says.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, but I, I think it works and really there are so many things about my machine that the machines that I have here,
Speaker: that I don't need.
Speaker: I don't need a coin door.
Speaker: There's so many things about it that I, it's, they're luxury items.
Speaker: I bought a topper for a few hundred bucks because I thought it looked cool.
Speaker: It has nothing to do with the play, the playability of the game.
Speaker: And so if there's just ways that you can get it out into the public, it's going to be better in the long run.
Speaker: So it's, I think that for most pinball aficionados, this is not your game, but I think this is an attempt to get a bigger footprint into the masses.
Speaker: And I think it's a great, it's a great license.
Speaker: I mean, Star Wars always sells.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Well, and here's the other thing too.
Speaker: So I've been doing some research.
Speaker: We've known for a couple of days that the Star Wars Home Edition has been coming out.
Speaker: We don't, honestly, us as the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast, don't get very many tips.
Speaker: This is the one that's been floating around the last couple of days.
Speaker: So I've been doing some research.
Speaker: We're not exclusive.
Speaker: This kind of started leaking very easily a couple of days ago.
Speaker: And so we're like, oh, okay, well, all right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so I've been doing my research.
Speaker: I mean, okay, let's take Supreme out of the mix because Supreme is just an anomaly by itself.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Let's take Supreme out.
Speaker: So the only other home edition that's based exactly off of this is Spider-Man home edition.
Speaker: Spider-Man home edition.
Speaker: Well, there's also the Transformers.
Speaker: I didn't know that.
Speaker: So, well, I was looking that up.
Speaker: You do have an Iron Man Home Edition, but it's called Iron Man Classic, but it's kind of based off of the Iron Man game.
Speaker: But anywho, so...
Speaker: With Spider-Man Home Edition, they're hard to find.
Speaker: Like, you look on Pinside, there's no historical data on cells.
Speaker: And when you do look for it, you have to look under the archives of, like, actual forum topics.
Speaker: Most of them have been selling anywhere from about $3,200 to $3,500.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, for a fourth.
Speaker: That holds its value.
Speaker: Holds its value.
Speaker: Yeah, that's...
Speaker: For a $4,000 pinball machine, that isn't bad.
Speaker: You're losing more money when you buy the other games like Munsters.
Speaker: I see those dropping down to $4,500 right now just so people get rid of them.
Speaker: See, they're all going to be home use only.
Speaker: By definition, it's going to be home use only.
Speaker: And it's probably going to have very low plays.
Speaker: And so really, it's not going to be beat up too much.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I think this is a win for Stern.
Speaker: I think it's another product and another arrow in their quiver that they can actually get out there.
Speaker: I think that... And even some of the top-ranked players said, actually, shooting that thing is kind of fun.
Speaker: Like Keith was talking about, he and Josh have a great time chasing each other's scores on Supreme.
Speaker: And guess what?
Speaker: That is... It's...
Speaker: Okay, so it's not as deep as a Keith Johnson rule set, but it's, it doesn't matter.
Speaker: Is it, you know, is it kinetically pleasing?
Speaker: Do you like hitting the shot and seeing it move around?
Speaker: Is it fire off the dopamine receptors in your brain?
Speaker: That's really what it matters.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: Here, here's my, here's my guess.
Speaker: We're going to see the first two weeks.
Speaker: We're going to see people scream and yell, this sucks.
Speaker: This is an art cup of tea, yada, yada, yada.
Speaker: And then people are going to start getting their hands on these things.
Speaker: They're going to start getting their friends going to get one.
Speaker: Someone they know is going to get one.
Speaker: I really don't think you're going to see too many pinball people get them.
Speaker: I think real people who are invested in the hobby, I think that they do just kind of pass this one by.
Speaker: I think it is going to be game-
Speaker: geared more toward, you know, the Costco crowd or the, or the game room crowd.
Speaker: I, I, I would be surprised if any, if any serious collectors actually buy it, but I could be wrong on that.
Speaker: My attitude is if I have $4,000 or $5,000, I'm probably going to try to go buy a used, a used routed game.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But my point being is, I think they get out into the wild and the people that start getting their hands on them, I think they're going to start saying that it's a fun shooting game.
Speaker: I think, I don't know.
Speaker: I don't think it'll be better than the Star Wars that came out.
Speaker: But it could be.
Speaker: I mean, without bipolar, you don't think so?
Speaker: There's just too many bipolar reviews.
Speaker: I think what it is, well, I think what the challenge with the Star Wars is it's very nuanced.
Speaker: I mean, the rule set is completely complex.
Speaker: There are some shots that are difficult, and even high-level players have a difficult time hitting some of the shots.
Speaker: Um, it has certainly an interesting launch.
Speaker: However, this is, I still view this as kind of a gateway pin.
Speaker: Um, this is a first pin that people may buy and they say, Hey, that's kind of fun.
Speaker: I wonder what else is out there.
Speaker: Um, this, this game is not going to take any risks.
Speaker: It's going to be very straightforward and it's, it's fun, but on a, on a superficial level, it's a, it's a gateway pin.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: So let's, let's release this bad boy and see what happens.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So in other news, they are at the Comic-Con selling a limited edition Black Knight record.
Speaker: And I want to get a hold of one of these bad boys.
Speaker: I have shamelessly begged on Pinside with every Stern employee that I'm friends with.
Speaker: And Steve Ritchie said, I have a great way for you to get it.
Speaker: Go to the convention.
Speaker: So if anyone's at the convention and they hear this and they still have one of these hundred bad boys available, buy it, send it to me, and I will pay you for it.
Speaker: He might even switch you out for a hat.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: I will send you a hat and payment.
Speaker: I'm not looking for charity.
Speaker: I'm just asking for a cool blue album.
Speaker: You know it, man.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it's Booth 501.
Speaker: At least I think that's right.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Look up Stern.
Speaker: If you're listening to this podcast, you can find Stern.
Speaker: You know, I will move it on.
Speaker: I want to talk about a subject now that I am super excited about that.
Speaker: No one else seems to be talking about, and maybe it's because no one else gives a crap.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Go ahead.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So one week ago, this week in pinball.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: They dropped the information that a teenage mutant turtles pinball machine is being worked on all rumored.
Speaker: I think it's a brilliant move.
Speaker: Josh, you need to set your sights higher.
Speaker: I mean, man, you and Jeff Rivera, you can both go in on LE and you can have your little namaste moment.
Speaker: I'm sorry, like, I understood them back in the day, but now when I look at Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and yes, everybody's going to hate on my 80s nostalgia, but hey, I'm a child of the 80s, and so I can look at how ridiculous some premises are.
Speaker: This cartoon is based on...
Speaker: Ninja Turtles who live in a sewer who's a rat is their sensei.
Speaker: And I don't even know what Shredder does.
Speaker: Like, what's the point of Shredder besides having all these droids that for some reason these turtles try to kill?
Speaker: It is mind-bogglingly crazy.
Speaker: And there's...
Speaker: the turtles love interest slash human contact is a movie reporter with a camera and then there's some weird vigilante that jumps around and starts beating things up casey jones i seriously i do not like get the premise of this it is by far the most ridiculous premise i've heard well i'll tell you why it's so brilliant you ready for this okay go ahead so ninja turtles originally started out as a joke
Speaker: They wrote the comic book to make fun of everything big in the 80s.
Speaker: They wrote it because Daredevil was huge at the time.
Speaker: The actual ninja clan that they fight in Daredevil is called The Hand.
Speaker: Ninja Turtles, it's the foot.
Speaker: X-Men was huge, so that's why they did The Mutant.
Speaker: Teen Titans and New Mutants, which is both teen comic books, were huge at the time, so they decided to make it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Speaker: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles went on to be the biggest merchandise selling product as a superhero thing from the 80s.
Speaker: By 1994, it had sold $6 billion worth of merchandise.
Speaker: So you've not only got people from the 80s that grew up, that was born in the 70s, grew up through the 80s.
Speaker: enjoying this product.
Speaker: They loved it so much.
Speaker: It's always been around since then too.
Speaker: It died off a little bit, but they did have the cartoon series in the early 2000s.
Speaker: And then Nickelodeon bought it up and decided to resurrect the merchandise beast.
Speaker: They've been doing toys.
Speaker: They've been doing crazy stuff.
Speaker: They did their new series that went 10 seasons.
Speaker: And was critically acclaimed.
Speaker: It had big names doing the voices.
Speaker: Uh, the gentleman that's from American pie, the main actor from American pie did it along with, uh, Sam, uh, Gamgee or what's his name?
Speaker: Frodo's best friend from, uh,
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So he did Raphael's voice.
Speaker: Rob Paulson, who originally did Raphael's voice in the 80s.
Speaker: Oh, wasn't, what's his name?
Speaker: One of the, Corey Haim?
Speaker: Or no, Corey Feldman.
Speaker: Wasn't he one of the Turtles?
Speaker: Or is that way back in the day?
Speaker: That might be way back in the day.
Speaker: But here's the genius of this theme, though, too, because, yes, there's tons of it.
Speaker: We've got the goofy, campy 80s version.
Speaker: You've got the comic book version that's dark.
Speaker: You've got the new series, which is more sci-fi fantasy.
Speaker: The wonderful part about this in almost every, well, not every Ninja Turtles, since the 2000s, there's been an episode because the Turtles are known for jumping dimensions.
Speaker: They end up meeting themselves from the comic books.
Speaker: They end up meeting themselves from the 80s.
Speaker: So you could easily mix them all together if you want to one pinball machine.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: The merchandise is crazy for this too.
Speaker: I mean, walk into Walmart.
Speaker: What is it that you can buy your kids t-shirts?
Speaker: You can buy them.
Speaker: No, I totally understand it.
Speaker: It's just one of those themes that does not connect with me.
Speaker: I would rather have a He-Man, She-Ra mashup than have a Teenage Mutant Ninja Troll thing.
Speaker: However, I brought up the arcade one-up games and they announced that they're coming back with Teenage Mutant Ninja Trolls.
Speaker: And I actually do want to buy that one because I thought the game was fun.
Speaker: I'm telling you, dude, I think there's so many different aspects to this that it's insane.
Speaker: And I'm not even thinking of how you could set up the game.
Speaker: I'm just thinking of how it's a smart idea to make this game because it's recognizable to kids.
Speaker: It's recognizable to adults.
Speaker: It's a smart theme.
Speaker: I totally get it.
Speaker: I guess that the want for me is that it just does not connect with me as a theme on many levels.
Speaker: But again, I've said it before.
Speaker: Not every game is for every market.
Speaker: I'm just not the market for it.
Speaker: And the nice part is Kevin Eastman, the original creator of Ninja Turtles, one of the original creators, Kevin Eastman, is still heavily involved, even since Nickelodeon's bought it.
Speaker: And so I guarantee he's probably going to be involved somehow with this pinball machine.
Speaker: And he's the kind of dude that's just like, whatever we can do, let's throw it in it.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: Well, those are the games that you get the best of.
Speaker: Think Metallica, think ACDC.
Speaker: Think the games where they step back and say, hey, make me a good game, as opposed to, well, we don't like the way that is.
Speaker: The ones who back off and let the creators do everything, they tend to be the best games.
Speaker: So if that is their approach, then I think they're going to get a big push for that.
Speaker: So my question is, and I doubt anyone having these answers, do you think, because they just released the 93rd issue of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the comic book, they introduced a fifth Ninja Turtle.
Speaker: Do you think they're going to involve her in the pinball machine?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: I think it'll be classic.
Speaker: It'll be classic 80s.
Speaker: It'll be kind of like Ghostbusters.
Speaker: When Ghostbusters came out, they didn't focus on the new team.
Speaker: They focused on the classic 80s theme because those are the, you have to know the markets and the markets are for game rooms typically are 40 to 50 year old guys who grew up on this.
Speaker: And so, uh, they're going to chase the money.
Speaker: It's, it's not about anything else is just chasing the money.
Speaker: And if you're making a product that has the five Ninja turtles, a 40 year old guy is going to look at that and say, that's not the turtles I remembered.
Speaker: There's nothing wrong with it, but it's just doesn't connect with them on the emotional level.
Speaker: And so it's going to be classic if they're, if they're smart, they'll make it classic.
Speaker: I think so too.
Speaker: I think it'll be solely be based on probably the eighties.
Speaker: There might be an interdimensional mode that involves the rest of the turtles.
Speaker: I really don't know.
Speaker: I don't want to overthink it and then get myself hyped and then create this vicious cycle.
Speaker: So I'm just excited.
Speaker: I'm excited.
Speaker: Ninja turtles are coming out.
Speaker: I think it's a fantastic thing.
Speaker: I think it's if done right, it could be a really great theme for all ages.
Speaker: I think it can certainly be campy and certainly be fun.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So that's my spill.
Speaker: I'm getting off my soapbox now.
Speaker: No, it's not your soapbox.
Speaker: It's your fan box.
Speaker: You are take my money right now.
Speaker: This is the first theme I've thought, what do I sell to get myself an Ellie?
Speaker: And I haven't even seen the game yet.
Speaker: And I'm always, always of the adage, play it first, then make your decision.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Yeah, me too.
Speaker: But I don't think this is like Iron Maiden where it sells out in less than a week on LE.
Speaker: You are wrong.
Speaker: Do you think?
Speaker: You're flat out wrong.
Speaker: This will sell out faster.
Speaker: You think?
Speaker: Well, they still have Deadpool Ellie's floating around now that this will sell out faster.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It'll be interesting.
Speaker: Classic eighties theme 40, 40, 50 year old dudes out there with money.
Speaker: It will, the Ellie will sell out and I guarantee you the art package will be fantastic.
Speaker: Oh, I agree.
Speaker: I'm intrigued to see.
Speaker: Like I said, there's a lot of people I think they're in your camp that it's just not there.
Speaker: They don't mind playing it, but it's not something that blows up their skirt.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: But it still connects us to our childhood, though.
Speaker: In many ways, and I've said this before, I got into pinball to...
Speaker: to find an escape, an escape that doesn't have to do with, with politics.
Speaker: It doesn't have to do with, it doesn't have to do with any sort of left or right or, or economic or religious or anything like that.
Speaker: It's just,
Speaker: It's an era where people can get together and say, hey, you want to play a pinball game?
Speaker: Yeah, me too.
Speaker: Okay, let's go play.
Speaker: And it just kind of simplifies and it's an escape for me.
Speaker: That's what people are looking for in themes.
Speaker: They're looking for an escape that to a simpler time
Speaker: And if that simpler time happens to be, you know, that 1985 to 1995 era when, you know, although life was stressful, really, if you compare the stresses you had then, compare the stresses you have now, it's nothing.
Speaker: So I think that it will sell out if there is an LE.
Speaker: Well, if they do make it, the LE will sell out that day, I guarantee.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Well, we'll see.
Speaker: I don't think we'll see it for a little bit though, because no, I don't think so.
Speaker: Stern has too many things in the pipeline.
Speaker: Well, we got, we got Keith L. One's next one.
Speaker: We've got Elvira for whoever's making that one.
Speaker: Well, we know, we know who made that one.
Speaker: I mean, it was a Dennis Nordman before he left Stern.
Speaker: So do you really think they've kept it the same?
Speaker: I mean, that's been how many years now?
Speaker: Three, four years.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Why wouldn't they?
Speaker: I just, I don't know why it's taken so long and maybe we'll get a story with it.
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: Or maybe we'll never know.
Speaker: I think, I think it's just, it's something that they, they always have plans for releases and they just have to find the right time.
Speaker: I think they had other games that they were.
Speaker: that were a better option.
Speaker: And their, their goals to, you know, Steve, Steve Richie said it before.
Speaker: My job is to sell pinball machines.
Speaker: That's Stern's job.
Speaker: Stern's job is to make pinball machines and sell pinball machines.
Speaker: So they're going to go with the, the current pinball machine that will sell the most.
Speaker: And given the right environment, I think that in an October release for Elvira or around then, I think it works perfectly.
Speaker: And,
Speaker: Dennis Nordman, you know, he did the other one.
Speaker: So it makes sense that you would certainly keep it as close to everything he's done.
Speaker: So it's, you know, theme appropriate.
Speaker: You're not going to have John Borg design Black Knight 3000 or Black Knight Swords of Rage.
Speaker: You're going to have Steve Ritchie do it.
Speaker: The other thing that intrigues me now that I'm sitting here thinking about it.
Speaker: So let's say Keith Owens comes out in two weeks or a week and a half whenever we have Elvira in the fall.
Speaker: We have Brian Eddie's in the winter.
Speaker: Does that put Ninja Turtles in the spring?
Speaker: And if it does, that means they've only been working on it three months.
Speaker: And Keith Owens said they usually do 13 to 14 months.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So what are we at?
Speaker: Like a white wood stage here?
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: I'm just saying it's kind of early for the rumor.
Speaker: Well, it could be that they're still just kind of kicking it around as possible themes.
Speaker: They've said that George Gomez brings out themes and they talk about them as designers and find out
Speaker: The themes that, you know, I'm sure Gary and Jody are involved in those and they figure out which themes they think will sell.
Speaker: And then they try to match a theme with a team.
Speaker: And if if all those things come together, I think I think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is actually a great it's a great marketing strategy.
Speaker: Because I think that you will have the fans who are still the rabid fans.
Speaker: I guess it's just hard for me to look at it and say, yeah, that still connects with me because it doesn't.
Speaker: However, I'll still play it.
Speaker: It's still fun.
Speaker: Well, I think, honestly, I think it's good from an operator standpoint, too.
Speaker: I mean, these are going into arcades that are kids' kid themes.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: So, a split second.
Speaker: Do we want to talk about the Guns N' Roses leak with Slash confirming Guns N' Roses with JJP?
Speaker: Well, I think we've known that for longer.
Speaker: I don't think that's really breaking any new ground.
Speaker: That's been so long rumored that in Slash, he has been a...
Speaker: big pinball fan and this is obviously something that he enjoys.
Speaker: So I think it works.
Speaker: I'm curious to see what JJP does with it.
Speaker: Um, because it, it, it feels like something that Steve Ritchie should design really.
Speaker: Uh, it seems like that, that rock, the, I mean, it's that visceral, that high octane, but I'd be really curious.
Speaker: I mean, if, if that's Eric's game, then I'd be really curious to see what he's going to come up with.
Speaker: Well, let me apologize.
Speaker: He did not confirm that JJP is the one making it.
Speaker: He just said that a Guns N' Roses pinball machine is in the worst.
Speaker: I think it's just always been linked with JJP.
Speaker: And, um, and so, yeah, is it, it would be, it would be interesting to see, to see what comes out.
Speaker: I I'm intrigued.
Speaker: I've Guns N' Roses is an interesting band.
Speaker: I, I, they had,
Speaker: they had a supernova first album, which was really the glorious sunset of the hair metal age.
Speaker: Guns N' Roses were the biggest band on the planet, but really they started with a supernova in Appetite for Destruction.
Speaker: And then they went with Lies, which was kind of a mash of old and new stuff.
Speaker: And then they came out with Use Your Illusion and then, you know, one and two, and then there was the spaghetti incident, you know, so, and then that, that Chinese democracy that took 10 years to make.
Speaker: So if you really look at their entire catalog, they have one supernova and everything else is average.
Speaker: It really is.
Speaker: The thing is though, is the thing is though, is appetite for destruction defined a genre.
Speaker: No, no, it inspired.
Speaker: I agree with you that that is the glorious sunset of that glam rock era.
Speaker: And I'm not discounting everything that they did because they were the biggest band on the planet for about four years.
Speaker: And then Nirvana came and everybody started wearing flannel and turning up the, the reverb.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: So I, I, I'm interested to see what they do.
Speaker: There's, you know, I think that it's a little more challenging to do a Guns N' Roses pin.
Speaker: That would be for the JJP, everybody can buy it market.
Speaker: It's certainly not one that I would have in my, you look at the, the Data East one and
Speaker: There's very few things that would be family-friendly for me anyway.
Speaker: Or at least... What do you do that's family-friendly with that theme?
Speaker: Do you listen to Appetite Destruction?
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: And actually, there's some things in... There's some music that...
Speaker: doesn't age super well.
Speaker: And when you listen to it again, you're thinking, wow, there's actually some things in here that I think would be
Speaker: challenging for all audiences now.
Speaker: And I try not to look too much on historical moments and try to use today's interpretation of morality or today's interpretation of social justice, because I think you get...
Speaker: there's a lot of, of blur, you know, of fuzzy lines that you get to, because, you know, I, I'm hoping that in 30 years, you know, when I'm, when I'm in my seventies and people look back on this time, they're going to have similar things.
Speaker: And so I think you kind of look back and say, yeah, it's, you can, I guess, appreciate it for what it is, but you can also say, it's not really something I want to, to do now.
Speaker: Um, there's a, there's a lot of things like that.
Speaker: You can look at all, all of basically Motley Crue's entire catalog.
Speaker: You could probably say that about, um, there's a lot of those songs where you're like, Ooh, those, I don't think those lyrics fly today.
Speaker: Um, but you know, I think Motley Crue would make a great pin.
Speaker: I really do.
Speaker: Well, and when I was going back through, like, I felt like I owed it since I loved music so much that I owed it to listen to those classic albums.
Speaker: And I listened to Guns N' Roses' Appetite for Destruction.
Speaker: And the first time through, I thought, this is the reason they said,
Speaker: sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
Speaker: Oh, no, absolutely.
Speaker: That is literally that album.
Speaker: No, it is, they are, it is a high octane ride.
Speaker: I was talking to one of my friends at work and she was talking about getting, because Guns N' Roses are coming to Utah this fall.
Speaker: And she was talking about bringing the whole family in.
Speaker: And, and I said, yeah, I'd be really interested to see you stand next to your daughter when they start singing.
Speaker: It's so easy.
Speaker: But, you know, Hey, again, my Michelle.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I know.
Speaker: But however, she, she watches game of Thrones with her entire family.
Speaker: It's a family affair.
Speaker: So she just kind of laughed and she's like, oh yeah, no, my, yeah, my, my kids are raised by wolves and they know it.
Speaker: So yeah, it's, again, it's choosing your audience.
Speaker: So I think that it's, I think the Guns N' Roses pin, there is certainly enough nostalgia that people will still buy it.
Speaker: Again, you're catering to 40s and 50 year old guys who have some disposable income now and have their heyday, you know, their nostalgia time, their nostalgia wheelhouse is the 80s right now.
Speaker: Well, and this brings up another interesting point.
Speaker: If you were joining us on the Flippin' Out stream on Monday, one of the questions that was brought up, do you think that the industry is now at a point...
Speaker: that they could make, uh, that they couldn't make a porno pinball machine, like a playboy.
Speaker: And the argument was, is playboy isn't porn and dah, dah, dah, dah.
Speaker: But I'm like, I think, I think we're way past that.
Speaker: Like that's, I don't think that's a question that we make those kinds of pinball machines.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: I think it would be pretty, I think it would be pretty tone deaf in today's, um, environment.
Speaker: Um, I totally agree.
Speaker: We'll look at Lucy.
Speaker: Lucy,
Speaker: Yeah, I think when you look at it, I know there's markets for it.
Speaker: There's markets for strip clubs and those type of things out there.
Speaker: I don't really think that it's as mainstream as, I think that you need to look at your brand.
Speaker: And as Gary said many times on the interview with Martin,
Speaker: they're trying to make Stern a lifestyle brand.
Speaker: And so I don't think that they would want to merge a Stern lifestyle brand with a Playboy lifestyle brand.
Speaker: And it really is a different market.
Speaker: Yes, there's certainly going to be some overlap.
Speaker: I mean, obviously, obviously sex sells.
Speaker: That's that we, it has been proven time and time again.
Speaker: But that stereotype of sex,
Speaker: I guess I really, I'm trying not to get too much into social justice warrior discussions because that's not really my thing.
Speaker: And I know other podcasts feel more...
Speaker: Yeah, and they feel more impassioned about that.
Speaker: And that's fine.
Speaker: Pick your lane and embrace it.
Speaker: I guess I will say that in today's environment, I would think a Playboy theme would come across as an empowered man with a female who's used as more of a sex object than a partner.
Speaker: And I think that that would really sound very toned, uh, tone deaf in today's environment.
Speaker: Um, you know, it's, uh, it's obvious that that type of entertainment is still out there.
Speaker: And even I would say more aggressive versions of that type of entertainment with a video streaming now than certainly was ever, um,
Speaker: envisioned by the original founders of Playboy.
Speaker: But I just, again, I don't think that with all the other options for themes out there, why would you ever consider that?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: And that's why I thought it was an interesting question.
Speaker: I don't see it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just, I don't like, I just don't see it ever happening.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Europe certainly has a different view of sexuality, and so maybe it would fly over there, but I do not see that as being something that flies over here.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So it wouldn't be my thing.
Speaker: Let's move on from... I guess I'll put it that way.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So let's move on from that subject now.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, that took a few left turns in there.
Speaker: I'm going to talk about some...
Speaker: Yeah, I know.
Speaker: Welcome to my brain.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's a stream of consciousness.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: So next on my notes, we've got Dutch pinball and Yop's out.
Speaker: Uh, I hope his condition gets better.
Speaker: Um, but it sounds like Barry's going to go ahead and go on, press on, they lost the court case.
Speaker: Um, but it sounds like he's still going to try to make it work with ARA.
Speaker: They're going to try to do something that would eliminate the way that the court stuff went.
Speaker: Um, um,
Speaker: But he's asking 12-5 for the remaining 40-ish, I don't know, Big Lebowski's.
Speaker: And my understanding is these wouldn't go to the pre-order people, the one that backed it.
Speaker: It would go to people that want to pay the 12-5 so that that way they could build more Big Lebowski's to give to the pre-order people.
Speaker: That doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker: Oh, see, it actually does make sense to me because they're broke.
Speaker: So they can either fold up shop or they can sell the machines, get some revenue, and then they can continue to simultaneously sell new machines and build the old machines.
Speaker: So they're basically building new revenue while
Speaker: clearing out old debt.
Speaker: It really is the only way forward.
Speaker: I'm doubtful that this will do anything.
Speaker: I think that people have felt so... The whole thing on this project has turned sour.
Speaker: And I think that even people who their dream themes, The Big Lebowski, maybe...
Speaker: Now, I will say that Joe on Head to Head, Joe's a top 50 player, and he said the game shoots fantastically.
Speaker: So is it possible that people will still go all in and buy this because it is a well-designed game?
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: I don't see anybody giving them a dime without having the machine available.
Speaker: ready and with a, with a certified packing invoice because there's no goodwill whatsoever and there's no faith in the company.
Speaker: So the chance of, I think it is a hail Mary and the last opportunity for them to actually make anything of this company.
Speaker: I'm doubtful it'll do, do anything.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: I just, I don't think there's enough faith there from anyone in the community to put their money, especially that much money right now into it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The, I think the, the only way to resurrect a bad situation like that is really what, what Deep Root's doing in that I mean,
Speaker: John Papaduke went through a similar flame war with just him not even making a game.
Speaker: I mean, at least Big Lebowski made a game, right?
Speaker: With Magic Girl, he didn't even get to a functional whitewood.
Speaker: I mean, that's how bad it was.
Speaker: And with Deep Root buying, basically coming in and hiring him,
Speaker: But knowing that would be a firestorm and so giving people the option of fulfilling a game through Deep Root, I see that as the only way of resurrecting it.
Speaker: And so unless Dutch Pinball has a similar sort of angel investor that comes in and helps them resurrect it.
Speaker: there's no chance they're ever going to, um, they're ever going to resurrect their reputation.
Speaker: I mean, it's, it feels like a relationship that's turned sour and, and you went through a divorce and now you're, you're, you know, you're texting your ex and saying, Hey, you want to get back together?
Speaker: I just, I think that's unlikely to be long-term.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: Well, speaking of texting your ex.
Speaker: I wish them the best.
Speaker: I hope.
Speaker: Yeah, I, well, I, I really do wish them the best and I hope that something happens out of it.
Speaker: And I think that it's never a good thing when a pinball company goes belly up.
Speaker: I think it's always good if there are niches for multiple, multiple manufacturers, because I think they all drive each other to make a better product.
Speaker: So I wish them the best.
Speaker: I'm doubtful.
Speaker: Well, speaking of texting your ex, I'm moving on because this story just has gotten so old to me with Dutch pinball.
Speaker: But moving on, texting your ex.
Speaker: We want to congratulate Head to Head on their 100th episode.
Speaker: And Ryan was back.
Speaker: And it was kind of funny because they joked that he was the ex-girlfriend coming back.
Speaker: um but hey they made they made it work it was like stepmom and biological mom and dad all getting together to give the best christmas ever to us kids well yeah no that's all i mean really uh i mean we know that ryan kind of stepped away because i think that um this is me projecting i think he enjoyed the podcast but
Speaker: with anything there's drama.
Speaker: And I, and just as I said, why I get into pinball is to, is to avoid, you know, drama flame wars.
Speaker: And I'm just trying to have a good time.
Speaker: I think that it was difficult for Ryan to do that and do the podcast at the same time.
Speaker: So I really with, with Ryan's blessing, Martin transitioned to Joe, which I think is a great, it's a great transition.
Speaker: Ryan certainly always welcome back.
Speaker: And,
Speaker: And it's a great podcast that we're still trying to chase their example because they do such a great job.
Speaker: I'm not nearly as funny as Ryan and I'm not nearly as funny as Martin.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: Well, not that you're not as funny as that, but I agree with what you've said about their podcast.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And really, I wanted so badly to enter in for the Penn Stadium Lights, but I just didn't feel that I could do it because I was like, oh, because I know Martin and I felt that if my name was drawn, I'd think, oh, I kind of stuffed the ballot, even though I didn't.
Speaker: But anyway, congratulations to their stuffed ballader.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It was awesome.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And also, congratulations, guys, on getting that Gary Stern interview.
Speaker: That was fantastic.
Speaker: I don't think anyone else in this industry has done anything that epic, in my opinion.
Speaker: And it just, it was great.
Speaker: You know, they got stuff out of him instead of the typical Gary Stern interview responses.
Speaker: It was a great one.
Speaker: I thought that guy kind of turned into a drinking game every time he talked about Stern being a lifestyle brand.
Speaker: But yeah, hey, you know, that's Gary's move.
Speaker: Gary's move is to try to monetize and work things forward.
Speaker: And I think it certainly showed in his mind that,
Speaker: Ultimately, he's a business guy who's trying to move product.
Speaker: And that's the whole point of, of keeping the line going.
Speaker: So they're the ones who are currently the most successful at it.
Speaker: So my question to you is, I know that a lot of people have said that head to head has kind of sloped off, but I want to do a prediction right now.
Speaker: Let's talk Twippies.
Speaker: It's, it's July.
Speaker: I mean, we're still six months away, right?
Speaker: I still think Head to Head is a top contender along with the others for this year's tour.
Speaker: Yeah, I would put them as the one to beat.
Speaker: They're the ones who seem to do... One, they're the most consistent podcast that I listen to, and they're the ones who...
Speaker: they really have solid takes on things.
Speaker: And, and, you know, I, I enjoy listening to them.
Speaker: There's so many podcasts out there, including ours.
Speaker: So, um, I, I think that they are the, um, they're the go-to right now.
Speaker: Uh, I, that I, I feel when I'm thinking, Oh, what do I want to listen to?
Speaker: Um, that's not taking away from any of the other podcasts I listened to.
Speaker: Um, I, uh, it just seems that head to heads doing something on a, uh,
Speaker: it's a more entertaining but uh educational level i don't know how else to describe it yep i agree well and i just think that there is a lot of quality podcasts out there i really wonder what is going to happen with because one of the ones that have hit the radar that's done fantastic this year is this weekend pinball's personal podcast but how does that work with a twippy like
Speaker: Is there going to be controversy surrounding that?
Speaker: I mean, it is July.
Speaker: I don't... Maybe it's something we don't worry about until we get to that bridge.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: It's such a small thing.
Speaker: This is just people voting.
Speaker: I really... I can't see it being a big deal on any level.
Speaker: I'm sure it feels good if you win one, and I guarantee we're not going to win one.
Speaker: But I think that it's...
Speaker: Yeah, but you know what I mean?
Speaker: I don't, is it possible?
Speaker: But man, if you're complaining that a podcast that's getting zero revenue and zero money other than maybe $100 Patreon and they stuff the ballot for basically, I don't want to say a fake award, but just a, hey, a popularity contest.
Speaker: No, I don't see it being a big deal.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Good point.
Speaker: So it's going to be interesting.
Speaker: We'll see what happens.
Speaker: You know, words usually fly when we get to that time of the season and we haven't been a part of those words this, you know, we've only been going since January.
Speaker: So, um, yeah.
Speaker: We'll see.
Speaker: It'll be interesting as it always is.
Speaker: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker: But well, before we get going, um, we have got these sweet freaking hats.
Speaker: Um, and I want to give away one.
Speaker: We do have them now in small slash medium or in large slash extra large.
Speaker: Uh, if you did see dead flip was wearing our hat and it looked very snug and perfect on his head.
Speaker: He said it fits great and he loves it.
Speaker: Um, we also sent one off to Steve Ritchie and to Keith Elwin and they're both loving theirs as well.
Speaker: We've got theirs emails back saying they were awesome.
Speaker: Um, but anywho, enough about that.
Speaker: Let's, let's give one of these bad boys away.
Speaker: So I was talking to Scott before the podcast of how we're going to do this.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: Anyone that has liked our page or does like our page in the next two weeks will be automatically entered in to the contest.
Speaker: We will only mail these to the 48 states.
Speaker: I don't know what it is to ship it to.
Speaker: We'll look at Alaska and Hawaii.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: We'll check out shipping rates.
Speaker: If it costs more than 20 bucks.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: If it costs more than 20 bucks, sorry, you're not getting a hat.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We looked at shipping one to Australia and $110 is not our cup of tea.
Speaker: So, but if you're willing to pay the shipping, we'll go that far.
Speaker: How about that?
Speaker: If you, if you're willing to pay the shipping, we will ship you the hat.
Speaker: Or if, if you win it and you do live in Australia, but you're going to be here for like Pinberg or whatever, we'll see what we can do.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: we'll figure it out.
Speaker: You know what?
Speaker: How about this?
Speaker: We'll give you, we'll give you a hat and shipping up to $20.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Sounds like a plan.
Speaker: So like our page, they'll give you one, one entry.
Speaker: If you leave us a review, um,
Speaker: that'll give you another entry.
Speaker: The thing with the reviews though, it's hard to tell like on Apple cause it's just a star thing and it doesn't actually leave a name next to it.
Speaker: So if you will like send us a screenshot to the loser kid, pinball podcast at gmail.com just saying, Hey, here's my picture.
Speaker: I did the review.
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: And then, yeah.
Speaker: So every, every like every review is an entry.
Speaker: So yeah,
Speaker: Easy enough.
Speaker: You know what?
Speaker: Sounds good.
Speaker: And I would actually even prioritize and say that if you've liked it, you get one.
Speaker: If you give us a review, you get two more.
Speaker: So you get three for your efforts.
Speaker: And obviously five stars work, but you know what?
Speaker: This is a free country and do whatever your heart dictates.
Speaker: I will just put this out.
Speaker: We strive to put out a good product.
Speaker: I know that we...
Speaker: I will tell you what, I am impressed with the quality of some of the other podcasts.
Speaker: We're definitely not up to their standard, but we're doing what we love.
Speaker: And if you love what we're doing, then give us five stars.
Speaker: Simple as that.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: And if you have suggestions, go ahead and send them in.
Speaker: Josh reads them all.
Speaker: I don't have to read them.
Speaker: And we're happy to hear your comments, questions, concerns, compliments, constructive criticism, whatever it is.
Speaker: Suggestions.
Speaker: We've had a couple people write.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so.
Speaker: I just want to give a quick shout out to special when lit.
Speaker: They did their one year anniversary episode just a couple episodes back.
Speaker: Fantastic first season.
Speaker: They're calling it season one and now they're on season two.
Speaker: Fantastic job, boys.
Speaker: You guys are doing great.
Speaker: Ken and Bill, you're killing it.
Speaker: There's another podcast, Raising the Standard, man, between them and This Week in Pinball and Head to Head.
Speaker: It's insane for the rest of us to live up to that.
Speaker: You guys are doing great.
Speaker: Also, a couple podcasts have come out since we've actually...
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We are all chasing.
Speaker: Another couple of podcasts that have come out, uh, Lauren gray with the back box pinball podcast.
Speaker: If you haven't checked her out, it's very awesome.
Speaker: Uh, all ladies podcast.
Speaker: She's the host and then she interviews female co-hosts.
Speaker: So good interview, uh, slash pinball podcast.
Speaker: Check it out.
Speaker: So,
Speaker: Uh, I think that's all I had on my plate.
Speaker: Is there anything else you wanted to talk about?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, let's talk about collection.
Speaker: You were talking about different things.
Speaker: So actually I, I had an impulse sell today and, um, I, I actually have a, uh, I have a Terminator that I'm looking at selling and it's a, it's your typical Terminator.
Speaker: It's functional.
Speaker: It's, it's been routed.
Speaker: Uh, but it's been, uh,
Speaker: my friend's been pin sitting it for a while and I figured, you know what?
Speaker: It's, it's time to, to sell that and find a new home for it.
Speaker: It's not going to come back into my collection.
Speaker: So I don't know, I guess I'm looking at moving that along.
Speaker: I have a friend who I bought a lot of my really nice pins from.
Speaker: He is the one who said he was interested in the Terminator.
Speaker: And then he saw it and he's like, yeah, it's, and it's, it's routed.
Speaker: So it's not that home use only, which I don't know of any Terminator that would be.
Speaker: Um, but he said, um, yeah, you should sell me your X-Men.
Speaker: And I actually bought it from him.
Speaker: So, and he's, he knows the, uh, it's, it's the nicest X-Men you'll ever see.
Speaker: It's, uh, it has a lot of mods and it looks really cool.
Speaker: And I thought, you know what?
Speaker: I have Tron and I have X-Men and they're very similar games.
Speaker: And I, there are other games that I'd like to try.
Speaker: So I said, sure, go ahead.
Speaker: Um, so I'm going to be moving that on.
Speaker: Uh, yeah, I, you know, I wasn't really anticipating.
Speaker: I think it's a beautiful game.
Speaker: I do love the look of the game, but I find I just don't play it as much.
Speaker: And so maybe it's time to find another home and maybe he buys it for a while and maybe I buy back from him.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I did, there was a, on the page here, there was a, there was a laser war that came up.
Speaker: So I, it said it was functional.
Speaker: So I bought it and it was $400.
Speaker: And of course it's not.
Speaker: So I'm actually going to take that up to a, to a pinball, like the pinball mechanic who's here locally.
Speaker: And I'm,
Speaker: I, he does high quality work and I try to make sure I keep him.
Speaker: I don't really have time to work on a lot of these big issues.
Speaker: I can do small issues.
Speaker: But having him, you know, taking it up to him and say, Hey, go over it, figure it out.
Speaker: And, and so that laser war, which is, it's really a fantastically, um,
Speaker: bad art package um from the late 70s it's it's it's a lady with really fierce eye shadow um
Speaker: And so I'll be doing that.
Speaker: And there's a genie that Jeff Rivera has moved on.
Speaker: And so that will spend some time here.
Speaker: So I don't really mix up my collection that much.
Speaker: So I was a little surprised that I'm selling two games and getting two cheaper ones that just at least to try for a while and probably move those on too.
Speaker: I feel that I've had my collection long enough that I feel that I'm okay to pin around a little bit, to buy and sell games.
Speaker: I was always surprised that people were able to buy and sell games.
Speaker: And I think I've reached that point where I said, you know what?
Speaker: You don't have to buy something and have it forever.
Speaker: It just doesn't...
Speaker: my attitude is if you have that grail pin, it's still out there.
Speaker: It's not like it's, it's unobtainable.
Speaker: You will eventually find someone who has it in their home collection and says, yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: It's time to move that on and then you'll be able to pick it up.
Speaker: So yeah, that's, that's finding a new home.
Speaker: And I actually have a really nice twilight zone.
Speaker: That's been in my garage sadly for a year.
Speaker: And so that will make it make its way downstairs.
Speaker: I know it's pathetic.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So yeah,
Speaker: No, it's not too bad, man.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Actually, that reminds me.
Speaker: I've got a pinball machine that's been in my garage for five years.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, that is your, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Actually, that reminds me.
Speaker: I should probably go and change the batteries on it.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: So what about you?
Speaker: My co-elections pretty much stayed the same.
Speaker: I'm trying... The problem is it's the hot time of the season, so I'm working crazy amounts of overtime right now.
Speaker: So I've barely even got to turn on my pinball machines, but I had an offer.
Speaker: Someone knew that I'd been looking for Wizard of Oz for forever now, and it just kills me because right now I just can't... If it was any other time in my life, we're selling my home, we're building a new home, we've bought land.
Speaker: I mean, we're just...
Speaker: we're trying to figure out where to store the four I have.
Speaker: And it's like, well, how the crap are we going to store that one on top of all of it?
Speaker: And so it's just, what do you do?
Speaker: And so, yeah.
Speaker: Here's my take.
Speaker: And I told you before, you mentioned it.
Speaker: And I said, well, let me give you my take on the podcast.
Speaker: My take is that pin's going to be out there.
Speaker: not really the best use of your money right now.
Speaker: So I would move on.
Speaker: And you could even consider selling one or two of your games if you need the money.
Speaker: If you remember Don from, you know, Don and Jeff with the original Pinball Podcast, he had a Wizard of Oz and he finally sold it so he can do some landscaping.
Speaker: So I think that you're probably going to be in that same boat where building a house is way more expensive than you think.
Speaker: Well, and here's the other big thing too.
Speaker: And don't tell my wife I told you guys this.
Speaker: She's not pregnant again.
Speaker: I am deathly afraid to get this thing in my collection.
Speaker: No, no, no.
Speaker: I'm deathly afraid to get this in my collection and then it never is allowed to leave.
Speaker: Like, don't get me wrong.
Speaker: I enjoy Wizard of Oz.
Speaker: It's a fantastic game.
Speaker: It's pretty fun.
Speaker: But I get in mood sometimes.
Speaker: I'm like, I'm done with it.
Speaker: I'm ready to move on.
Speaker: I don't think I'll be allowed to move on from this one.
Speaker: So yeah, that's kind of your wife's grail pen.
Speaker: So I would hold off a little bit on that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I, I have, uh, my wife has a, well, there's three of my pens that she's, that she said you can't sell.
Speaker: Um, one's wizard of Oz.
Speaker: One is, um, uh, attack from Mars.
Speaker: Oh, actually I guess there's four, uh, attack from Mars, wizard of Oz, medieval madness, and stern pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker: So those are her games that she likes to play.
Speaker: And so, um, yeah, those aren't moving.
Speaker: So I, I have to see, and I'd be, I'd be fine with that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But with, with limited space right now, I don't want to be taking up with that space.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like as soon as we get the house bill, the basement's ready.
Speaker: I'd be totally fine with throwing a was down there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: There's a few games where I would, I would love to have at some point, um, you know, wizard of Oz or not wizard of Oz.
Speaker: Lord of the Rings is one of those.
Speaker: Um, I have a,
Speaker: good friend who lives two miles away, who is one of my partners at work.
Speaker: And he has, he's the one that has the amazing Bally Williams collection.
Speaker: So he has a beautiful one, so I can always play that.
Speaker: And so I thought there's no point in me getting one right now.
Speaker: We don't need to have matching sets of everything.
Speaker: We already have about four that, well, I guess three.
Speaker: We have Medieval Madness.
Speaker: We have Attack from Mars.
Speaker: And for a while, he had Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker: But other than that, we have pretty different collections.
Speaker: So I would like to, I don't know, I'm not sure where I'll go next.
Speaker: But I think that it'll be nice to kind of mix it up a little bit.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: Well, and the thing, honestly, the pinball machines I'm looking for right now, I do want an early stern.
Speaker: I'm looking at... Hey, how about a laser war after I fix it up?
Speaker: I'm good.
Speaker: I don't want a laser war.
Speaker: I want like a meteor.
Speaker: We just recently had the Salt Lake Gaming Con and someone had a Quicksilver there, which I don't want a Quicksilver because if I'm going to spend that kind of money, I'm going to get a different pinball machine.
Speaker: But they had a Quicksilver there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: They had a Stars there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: those games play fantastically.
Speaker: I got addicted.
Speaker: It was one of those things where it's just like one more game, one more game.
Speaker: And so I really think, uh, I have a gentleman that I know that he collects the classic sterns and stuff like that.
Speaker: And he's got a meteor he's going to get rid of soon.
Speaker: He said, I mean, uh, I'll be the first person on his list.
Speaker: So, okay.
Speaker: So I can justify that.
Speaker: the 800 bucks.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I, I would totally buy that too.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Set it up.
Speaker: My parent.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And have someone pin set it or sit it or something, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Well, that's one that we'll have to pass around a little bit.
Speaker: Cause I want to spend some time with meteor too.
Speaker: I wouldn't mind getting stars.
Speaker: Wouldn't mind getting meteor.
Speaker: even some of the other wide ones.
Speaker: I'm really looking forward to getting the Genie just because it's a fun game.
Speaker: I know it's beautiful, it's fun, and it's just different.
Speaker: So I really liked having that variety in my collection.
Speaker: So I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: So, um, yeah, I think that pretty much wraps it up for what we were talking about.
Speaker: A quick preview.
Speaker: We're going to have Bowen on here soon.
Speaker: Uh, he's been in Utah.
Speaker: We've been trying to get with him to do a recording.
Speaker: It's just been chaos for all of us.
Speaker: Um, but we're going to get him on.
Speaker: um we've talked to some other people uh head to head we're probably gonna get them on here soon too and uh yeah we've we got a couple more in the pipeline that we're excited about uh we don't want to be strictly interview but we enjoy having them on the other guys and just bsing uh we've we had so much good response with the keith l1 interview it's like why not yeah i think it's nice to to be able to at least pick their brains i i
Speaker: You and I have a different approach to asking some questions than other people.
Speaker: It's mainly questions that I've listened to the other interviews, and I think those are all great, and you guys filled up most of the, I guess, the common questions.
Speaker: And so I've been able to think, well, what else is out there?
Speaker: So it's been really fun to talk to some of these legends that they're willing to come on and talk with us, and so we've really appreciated that.
Speaker: And yeah, I'm really looking forward to talking to Bowen and talk about him being involved with Replay and Pinnberg.
Speaker: And I'm curious to find out the challenges of him.
Speaker: He's a top level player and I would argue elite.
Speaker: Um, since right now there's no Papa competition, does he feel conflicted that Pinberg is the elite competition that it's his, so he can't actually compete in it.
Speaker: Uh, I don't know.
Speaker: I, I'm just curious about that.
Speaker: And if you have any other questions that you want to, uh, submit and have us, uh, talk about with him, um, sure he would love to answer those.
Speaker: Um, he's certainly always been friendly to us.
Speaker: Uh, even when we were, uh, new in the, um, new in the hobby, um,
Speaker: I'd send him a message occasionally until I finally actually got the courage to ask him to be a friend on Facebook.
Speaker: But yeah, he's always responded and it's been nice to me.
Speaker: So anyway, if you guys have anything else to question us, we will love to pass it on.
Speaker: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker: And remember, you can send us emails at loserkidpinballpodcast at gmail.com.
Speaker: Honestly, one of the quickest ways to get our response is through Facebook.
Speaker: We do now have an Instagram.
Speaker: I don't know what we're going to post, but it seems like more people are following us on Instagram than we are on Facebook.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Whatever works.
Speaker: And you don't, you don't have to, you don't also don't have to win a, if you don't have to win a hat.
Speaker: If you want one, we actually bought some extras and we will sell them.
Speaker: We're basically just selling them for price.
Speaker: So if you want them, we'd love to sell them and send them out to you.
Speaker: So I think they're actually great looking hats.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Josh did a great job of choosing the high quality hats.
Speaker: I, I never liked the ones that, um, when I saw Stern's hat, the original one, I thought I'm not really that interested in it.
Speaker: Cause I, it looked kind of like a, a cheaper trucker hat.
Speaker: And then I just spontaneously bought one at, uh, the Denver, uh, show and I love it.
Speaker: It's a great hat.
Speaker: And Josh picked out one that was similar quality.
Speaker: So I, I really like wearing it.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Well, I don't know if you guys have read our post on it, but it is the new era hats.
Speaker: It's like what all the professional sports teams use for their product.
Speaker: It's just a nice, comfortable hat.
Speaker: Everyone that's wore it loves it.
Speaker: So if you want one, hit us up.
Speaker: If you want to wait until we're in person, if you want to come to one of the shows that we hit up, you can wait until then too.
Speaker: Um, and I think we'll be doing, um, we'll do some more stuff in the future too, besides hats, but that's what we're going with right now.
Speaker: We figured it's something different.
Speaker: Everyone else is doing t-shirts.
Speaker: We'll do that.
Speaker: I think, I think hats is something you can wear all the time.
Speaker: T-shirts is something you wear, uh, you know, a couple of times a year, especially when you're exercising and your actual t-shirts are, um, the ones you exercise in are dirty.
Speaker: Possibly.
Speaker: Or it's what you wear to a pinball event because it says pinball on it.
Speaker: You represent, man.
Speaker: You represent.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: So one last thing, not that anyone has said that we've offended them, but if we have said something that you feel like we've stepped on your toes and whatnot, just reach out to us.
Speaker: Nothing we've said is with the intent to offend or to hurt your feelings.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Our goal is a low drama pinball podcast.
Speaker: Other people may want more in their life.
Speaker: This is not why I'm doing this.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, so we want to be here for the pure enjoyment of pinball.
Speaker: Like I said, there is a lot of...
Speaker: Yeah, we'll just leave it at that.
Speaker: I'm not going to go any further because if I go any further, I'll probably step on some toes.
Speaker: So once again, reach out to us, loserkidpinballpodcast at gmail.com, Facebook, Instagram, SoundCloud, whatever your heart's desire.
Speaker: And don't forget to enter that contest by hitting the like button at Facebook and sending a review via Facebook or whatever podcast app you use to listen to us.
Speaker: Uh, thanks for listening to us.
Speaker: We really appreciate it.
Speaker: It's, it's been a fun ride so far and we're really like, Hey, see you soon.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: See you there, man.
