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Atlantis: Let’s Do This! - Ep 137
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Finally, Atlantis in all its glory!!! In this episode, I track the history of the oxymoron otherwise known as “Atlantean thought.” What is the history of Atlantis? Why do we still talk about it today? Where is it? Did Plato just make it up? (Hint - is Star Wars real, or did George Lucas just make it up? You decide…).
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Introduction to the Podcast Network and Show
00:00:00
Speaker
You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network. You are now entering the pseudo-archaeology podcast, a show that uncovers what's fact, what's fake, and what's fun in the crazy world of pseudo-archaeology.
Episode Introduction: The Atlantis Focus
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Hello and welcome to the pseudo archaeological podcast, episode one hundred and thirty seven. And tonight of all nights, it's Atlantis, baby. OK, it's time. Episode one hundred and thirty seven. I've been doing this since episode 94, something like this, and I have never tackled Atlantis.
00:00:53
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So why haven't I done this?
Why Discussing Atlantis Now?
00:00:56
Speaker
It's because I swear I fear it a little bit. Why do I fear Atlantis? It's because. To trace the story of Atlantis is basically to trace the entirety of pseudoscience and the entirety of pseudo archaeology. It just gets really big. And I wanted to kind of make my notes
00:01:22
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narrow enough to make some sort of sense the story is so large i mean i'm sure i'll leave out some twister some turn or some story that you've heard of that i didn't cover and i am sorry for that see i just i'm already saying i'm sorry it's pathetic.
00:01:41
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But I do think I'm able here to kind of give you guys the base backstory to this whole thing and make it make some sort of sense. So why am I ultimately tackling it now? Why have I gotten enough spine to do this? You know, it's because life is short, my friends.
The Origins of Atlantis: Plato's Allegory
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And why do I think life is short?
00:02:06
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I had a motorcycle accident like a week ago, and I'm OK. I survived. I didn't break anything, although I got pretty damn close. And I will say my accident counted, if that makes sense. And if you're wondering what a motorcycle accident is like.
00:02:23
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violent, go with violent. And that gives you some idea. It's it's fast and furious. So after that, I'm like, you know what? What the hell? Let's do Atlantis. So this show is brought to you by motorcycle accidents around the world.
00:02:44
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So the idea of Atlantis starts with Plato and to tell the end of the story at the beginning.
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Atlantis was made up by Plato. That's it. It's a story made up by Plato. No more, no less. That's the deal. It just happens to be a story that everyone wants to be true really, really badly.
Philosophical Context: Plato's Allegories
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So the dates of Plato, he lived from 427 to 348 B.C. and Plato was a Greek philosopher. Right. And when you think of him, it's fine to just think of every single Greek philosopher cliche. Right. He's in Athens, Socrates as his teacher.
00:03:38
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He's sitting there being a great thinker. He's coming up with these kind of what if scenarios all the time, right? He's trying to kind of delve deep in what it means to be a human being and how we think and what we think and all that kind of good stuff. Classic cliche Greek philosopher.
00:03:57
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I actually was first shown Plato, not not in terms of Atlantis and all this, but in terms of Plato's cave. Now, I was a film major. I was a double major in archaeology and film. And in film class, sometimes we would talk about the philosophy of what the image on screen is. Right. So I was destroyed.
00:04:22
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As were my friends in class by Plato's cave and Plato's cave goes like this. Plato goes, OK, look. What if there were a bunch of prisoners inside a cave and they're all chained inside the cave and all they can see is the back wall of the cave like they're chained onto chairs and the chairs are focused on the back wall of the cave so they can't see out, they can't turn around, they have no idea what's behind them.
00:04:46
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Every day the sun comes up and the sun shines in and there's stuff behind them that makes shadows. And so their whole world is just a world of shadows. Like they just see these shadows and then they give meaning to the shadows and the shadows are their entire life.
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Now, Plato says our job is to get beyond that. He's saying that we are as those prisoners to the higher reality, really the things making the shadows right behind the prisoners, which they know nothing about. But the only way to get to that is through reason. It's through science. It's through math is, of course, through philosophy. Right. In order to get to that higher reality and really understand what's truly going on. So that's the allegory of Plato's cave.
00:05:33
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And why do I tell you this? Because I have to get my own poison out and have to have you guys be destroyed by Plato's cave, too.
00:05:45
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So the idea, of course, being that, you know, film is as the shadows. What's the reality behind it? It's very much like the movie The Matrix, right? What's we're just a part of this larger world. But for Plato, we can only maybe touch this larger world again through reason, through science, through math, et cetera. So not only do I tell you that to destroy you and so we can all be together in our destruction,
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But I also tell you that just to give you a feeling for what Plato's like, these are the kinds of things he talks about. So.
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How does Atlantis fit into this, right?
Misinterpretations of Atlantis: From Allegory to Myth
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Atlantis is a story that Plato tells. It comes up in two of his pamphlets. They're called dialogues, right? They're these times when he talks about certain things. They come up in two. They're called Timaeus and Critias. These are two different ones. This doesn't even matter that much. What matters is the story.
00:06:44
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and realize that as Plato is telling the story of Atlantis, he's trying to get at the nature of the physical world, the nature of us, the nature of reason, the nature of what's right and wrong. He's a philosopher. Right. That's what this is. OK, so according to Plato, in these two dialogues, he explains Atlantis like this. He goes. OK, look, you guys and think of him as talking to his own students. You guys look at you guys.
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What if let's say 9000 years ago, otherwise known as long ago and in a place well beyond the pillars of Hercules, otherwise known as far away. So already he's setting it up as a story that happened long ago and far away. Right 9000 years ago, beyond the pillars of Hercules, there was a land called Atlantis.
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And this land in many ways was the opposite of Athens. So in Plato's times, Athens is like the greatest spot, right? And Plato just talks about basically why is it so great? And in order to talk about why Athens is so great, you need the villain, right? You need the opposite side, which he creates as Atlantis. And he goes, look.
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There's this island nation of Atlantis, and it was created by Poseidon. He brings in the Greek gods into this, too. This is a Greek god mythological thing. And out there.
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It has a ring of three moats, this island nation and these Atlanteans. Over time, they just fell away from the order that is Athens. They they didn't respect their gods anymore. They didn't respect, you know, kind of rationality anymore. They just they they weren't good anymore. They went down the wrong path and they actually attempted nine thousand years ago.
00:08:44
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to destroy Athens, but it ultimately didn't work. And Zeus saw what was going on. And Zeus was completely unhappy and tired of these Atlanteans who did not respect him, did not respect the right way of doing things. So ultimately, Zeus destroys Atlantis and Atlantis sinks under the waves. And then.
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Plato basically goes on and goes, OK, with that setup, let's discuss, right? Let's discuss, OK, what's good about Atlantis? What's good about Athens? Let's point counterpoint it. But you see, in times since then. Instead of us taking Plato's point and discussing what's good and bad about different cultures or philosophies or this kind of thing, everyone goes, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:09:38
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Where's that island again? That place sounds awesome. And I can see Plato with the students going like, oh, wait, no, you guys, look, you guys, you guys, look, I just made that up. This is just in order for us to discuss these philosophical ideas. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no. Can you give me like a map or something to that island? Because that like kicks ass. I want to go there. And he's like, so Plato was actually a victim of being too creative with his setup. Right. So.
00:10:05
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Right there, we have to realize that Atlantis is an allegory, right? It's a literary device to represent the opposite of of Athens, right? The opposite of the ideal. And again, you need to do that in order to discuss different philosophical points, right? You can't just be like, this side's great. Isn't Athens great? Let's talk about how great Athens is.
00:10:34
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Of course, the next question is compared to what? It's like, oh, right. Compared to this this place I just made up compared to Atlantis. OK, Atlantis versus Athens. Discuss. OK, now we have somewhere to go. Right. It's so funny. You know, as I talk about this, I was so I was so worried about dealing with Atlantis. But as of this moment, the setup.
00:11:02
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Is completely simple right i don't think anybody listening is like what this is crazy no it's just basically play to make up this allegory in order to teach students in order have conversations basically in philosophy class right but the allegory was just too good and people want the story to be real.
Atlantis in the Renaissance and Beyond
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We have modern allegories and creations all the time, like Darth Vader is is a very important character in the other characters of Star Wars in my life. Seriously, Star Wars was the very first movie I ever saw when I was five years old. Is Darth Vader real? Now.
00:11:44
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Of course not. But should we go try and find evidence of Darth Vader? You know, I heard that they had his cloak in a church. You know what I mean? You see how this happens. When we return. The history of the story of Atlantis after Plato.
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Hello and welcome back to the pseudo archaeology podcast, episode 137. I'm your host, Dr. Andrew Kinkeller, and we have been discussing good God Atlantis.
00:12:17
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So with looking at Atlantis, you know, we were talking in the previous segment about how Plato himself talked about Atlantis as happening 9000 years ago beyond the pillars of Hercules, otherwise literally long ago and far away. And it's again, so similar to the Star Wars intro crawl of a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
00:12:46
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Right now. Even with this story that was basically written in the fourth century B.C., it was so popular that it has lived up until today, and if anything, has expanded, you know, now.
00:13:08
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As we all know, after the Greek period of which Plato is a part and then the Romans come in, you have the Dark Ages, right? So all that Greek stuff, all that knowledge, all that science kind of goes away for a while. But we find it again in the Renaissance. Now, the Renaissance has all kinds of great things.
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Like, you know, this resurgence, rebirth of science. But you also get a rebirth and a re-finding of all this Atlanta's crap. But tracing.
00:13:43
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the sort of rebirth of this is really interesting. And I found for me, this is the hardest part, right? And I think this is the most interesting part. It's like, yeah, OK, Kinchela, we understand that Plato made up Atlantis, you know, in the fourth century B.C., but OK, why is it still around? Give me the history of how does this trace up to the modern day? Why are we still using this? OK.
00:14:08
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What you find in the time of the Renaissance, you know, we're talking like the 1500s now, right? We're racing way forward in history in the 1500s. Not only do you have the Renaissance, but you have the discovery of America for the Europeans, right? And that discovery of the new world is going to be huge in the thinking of European minds.
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And so what you get in that time period in 1500s into the 1600s is first books by people like Francis Bacon. He writes a book called The New Atlantis and Thomas Moore writes a book called Utopia. Now.
00:14:52
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These just kind of take the Atlantis mythology and wrap them into the philosophy of utopia, sort of this dream, perfect community, and of course, bring America into it. They kind of go, OK,
19th Century Misuses: Mayanist Movement and Beyond
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what if this whole America place that we've just found, what if that
00:15:16
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is Atlantis, right? Or let's just use America as the Atlantis allegory. You see what I mean? We're going to put something real into this fake story. We're going to use this real new continent. But they're still kind of philosophizing. They're still going on the sort of Plato side of things.
00:15:36
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I would I would say it's Plato plus America, you know, and not being incredibly focused on. Oh, yes, Atlantis is is right here at this time. And like that. Right. It's still more in that philosophical mindset. Although, you know, I'm sure they're into the whole Atlantis thing. Who isn't? And that.
00:16:01
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is okay, whatever. It's 1550 and they're doing this fine. Good luck. God bless whatever, but it doesn't die there. As you've heard in previous podcasts by me, there's always somebody who picks this up.
00:16:16
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There's always in Doctor Who terms a new master who picks up the ring of doom and gloom and becomes the new bad guy, right? It just never dies. After these guys do their sort of utopian community vibe, this is picked up then by I would say the early guys who trade in Mayanism.
00:16:39
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Right. We've talked about this before. Remember Bresseur de Borborg and Augustus Leplonjean. Remember that from some of the previous podcasts, those guys. So this is going to click us up into the 1800s and they're going to use these same ideas of Atlantis, the perfect utopian community, but then relate it to the Maya.
00:17:02
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And it is a bummer for me as a Mayanist to know that there is a serious push by people who worked in the Maya world to push Atlantis forward. I'm like, God damn it.
00:17:17
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in the late 1800s, as we've already talked about on this podcast, these two guys both add the Maya to it, to the Atlantis mythology, right? And they basically say, oh, well, the Maya are part of this whole Atlantis scheme. Either the idea is the Maya were the first culture and then
00:17:36
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The Atlanteans took the ideas of the Maya and then moved them to Europe or the Atlanteans were the first culture and they gave their ideas both to Europe and to the Maya. Doesn't matter whichever way you go. Of course, it's all fake and silly. Watch this. I will defend.
00:17:51
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Bressere de Borborg and Augustus Leplunge on a little bit. Right. These are guys again, both working in the late 1800s and Leplunge doesn't even die until 1908. Well, both those guys definitely spent time talking about some real fake crap. Right. Some just pseudoscience. Nothingness in terms of the Maya and Atlantis, whatever.
00:18:15
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They did also spend some time doing some real work, right? Whether rather it was translating some my hieroglyphics, rather it was doing real work at my sites or taking fantastic photographs when photography was new. These guys did create some real data. Now, while their conclusions were like silly and pointless, I give them half a pass because again, it's 1880. What do you expect?
00:18:42
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You know, they're they're just kind of throwing it out there. And of course, both of them sat on the whole Atlantis thing way too long. It was kind of a sad aspect to other things they did that were worthy. But, you know, it happens just a little too new agey, but some real work.
00:19:05
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Now that all changes with the next big one. Right after these guys was Ignatius Donnelly. Remember Ignatius Donnelly? Right, Ignatius Donnelly is like the US Senator who just happened to also be into all this crap.
00:19:20
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Now, he didn't do any kind of work, right? He has no archaeological bona fides, right? He adds nothing. It's at Ignatius Donnelly, where this story just becomes detached from everything and just becomes kind of new age doctrine. Right. We're.
00:19:41
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beyond everything that came before. There's no defending this one. And so in 1882, Ignatius Donnelly writes Atlantis, the anti-diluvian world. Right. I think that's it's a big moment here for pseudo archaeology. He kind of collects all these various writings from these earlier people and just makes one big fat book a bullshit.
Modern Mythmakers: Perpetuating Atlantis
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Right. 100 percent. Just
00:20:10
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Take the safeties off and go for it. So this is that is the real turning point, I think I'm going to vote that one. I'm going to vote Ignatius Donnelly's Atlantis, the anti-diluvian world 1882 as.
00:20:23
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pushing Atlantis into the modern era, otherwise known as it's really in a way it's worst era. So after Ignatius Donnelly, he influences a bunch of other people, some people who haven't talked about on this podcast yet, like Helena Blavatsky with her whole theosophy movement.
00:20:44
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She wrote a book called The Secret Doctrine, of course, in 1888. After this, James Churchwald, where he adds the idea of the lost continent of Mo to Atlantis. It's like the same Atlantean idea of it in the Pacific. That one is really stupid, but in its pure stupidity, it's also really fun. So, dude, James Churchwald, we're going to do him soon. This story is great, man.
00:21:07
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But he's doing that in like the 1890s. You go even go onward to Edgar Cayce, who's a clairvoyant, right? A lot of you probably heard the name Edgar Cayce. And he's doing stuff easily into the 20th century. And all of these guys, they're increasingly kind of just new agey. They're pouring in some of that Masonic
00:21:28
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secretive silliness, right? That sort of New Age religion, Rosicrucianism, it all kind of goes into this stew of silliness, where Atlantis is still a major portion taken seriously in this extremely, let's face it, unserious, unscientific world.
00:21:51
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And at this point, once you're at the James Church walls in the Edgar Cayce's, your next step is like Von Dineken with Chariots of the Gods in the 1960s. Right. And then, of course, bringing us today to Graham Hancock. So there you have it. Basically Atlantis and all of these guys believe in Atlantis, sell Atlantis. Right.
00:22:16
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You see how the baton has been passed from Plato, who makes it up. And then you have the Renaissance to like Francis Bacon, Thomas Moore, who kind of use it still in a philosophical way to talk about utopia and the new world. Then you pass the baton again to the Mayanists, Bursar de Borborg and Augustus Lepland-John, who aren't truly archaeologists. It's more Mayanism, right? This sort of New Agey ideas.
00:22:44
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But they still do some good science on the side. And then it becomes just pure BS with Ignatius Donnelly, the baton to him, and the anti-diluvian world in 1882. And then onward from him to like Blavatsky, James Churchwald, Edgar Cayce, all these guys are now adding a bunch of new age religion into this movement. And then finally, Von Dineken, who I guess you could say adds aliens to it.
00:23:10
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And then Graham Hancock, who is just the most recent purveyor of the same old story.
Debunking Atlantis Locations
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When we return, I will give you the location of the lost continent of Atlantis.
00:23:26
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Hello and welcome back to the pseudo-archaeology podcast, episode 137. I'm your host, Dr. Andrew Kinkella, and we are wrapping up, thank God, Atlantis. Now, when I last teased you in the previous segment, I said I would tell you, friends, the location of the lost continent of Atlantis. Are you ready? You ready to write this down?
00:23:53
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My friends, Atlantis is everywhere and nowhere at the same time. Imagine that. I think we should give Plato a call. Plato is everywhere and nowhere at the same time discuss. Of course it is because, well. I hate to break it to you after all this.
00:24:15
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It's fake. It's a story. But of course, every crap pseudo documentary on TV, on the history channel or whatever is going to deal with this. How many dozens of pseudo documentaries deal with this, right?
00:24:34
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It's all the time. Now, I will say I don't mind a lot of modern like documentaries and series, you know, whether on the Discovery Channel or whatever. They will touch on Atlantis or talk about it first. They'll talk about the more crazy aspects of it. But then they'll wind down to a modern interpretation or they'll tell you it's just a story or whatever, because people are so interested in the story. Right. So I don't mind when they set up that. So.
00:25:01
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Just because a documentary talks about Atlantis or something doesn't mean that it's immediately horrible or something. But it's only horrible if they stay with like, oh, yeah, Atlantis is real. You know, I will say one thing I really don't like. About modern documentaries, I'm sure I brought this up before, is that they do that awful crap trick where they end with like, well, there's no such thing as Atlantis or is there?
00:25:31
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Oh God, like get a spine and go, there's no such thing as Atlantis. Let's be adults. You know, have you ever been like, where are all the adults? Like what happened to the adults? Are we like a nation of children?
00:25:47
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I mean, we can't take that. No, seriously, Atlantis is a bedtime story, right? We can't take it. So instead of being adults and just taking that, we've been looking for it, of course, forever.
00:26:03
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What are some of the main places where people have said Atlantis is now you guys, there are so many. It literally is everywhere, like every island in the Mediterranean, of course, because Greece is in the Mediterranean. So you're going to pick every island. Oh, it's Crete, you know, whatever. And then onward, you're going to do the Azores because they're off the coast of Europe. You're going to there's islands in the Caribbean, which again, we're just flights
00:26:33
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of fancy silliness has nothing to do with reality. The ones that tend to creep up the most in no particular order. I'll give you these. The one that you'll hear about a lot is like the island of Santorini. Oh, island of Santorini. That's one.
00:26:49
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which is an island in the Mediterranean. So again, the geography is vaguely OK. And there is a true story to the island of Santorini. And this is the Farah eruption in the 16th century B.C. So this is a long time ago, right? This is a volcanic eruption that happened over 3500 years ago.
00:27:08
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And this would have even been a long time ago for the Greeks. OK, when Plato was writing that their eruption was already 1200 years old. So that their eruption is its own cool, true story, right? It must have really screwed up trade in the eastern Mediterranean, because what this was, Santorini is a just a volcanic island, right? Little volcanic island in the middle of the Mediterranean.
00:27:32
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And when the volcano on it, when Thera like the Thera eruption, the island just basically exploded. If you look online to an image of the island today, it's like it looks like a letter. Oh, right. There's like nothing in the middle. There used to be stuff in the middle. You know, it literally exploded. Where is Thera today? Outer space. You know, it just literally
00:28:00
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I mean, for anyone living on that, I don't know. I mean, I guess a handful of people must have survived. But good God, imagine that your island is literally a volcano that that has an extreme explosive eruption. The eruption is so big that, of course, it devastated trade and, you know, networks and that kind of thing in the eastern Mediterranean. This is something at that time.
00:28:24
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you know, 16th century B.C., that is something that people like the Egyptians would have really experienced the fallout from that. Right. And some of the other cultures from that time. But Plato writing Atlantis 1200 years later is not necessarily going to even care or know about Santorini. Now, some people really do a deep dive and they go, well, it's the best
00:28:51
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Possibility of all possibilities that Plato was just kind of using that real happening as kind of a basis. And I used to be OK with that. Like I would tell my students, look, if you want an Atlantis, then just have Santorini. But in my old age of anger.
00:29:13
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post motorcycle accident. I'm like, screw it. No. Right. The chances of Plato even thinking of that are basically nil. How many things again, we're in we're in, you know, 2024. How many things from 1200 years ago? How many things from 800 AD influence you on a daily basis? Yeah, I'll say it with you. Nothing.
00:29:36
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Right. How many natural events from 800 AD earlier? Are you like, oh, yeah, I'm going to use that as part of my story? No. So the answer is no. Right. Plato didn't use Santorini at all. Come on. He made it up. And it's an easy thing to make up. Again, Atlantis totally makes sense when you're using it.
00:29:55
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as a foil against Athens. So no, I'm tired of the Santorini thing. Like, let's not bring that up anymore. No, it does not relate to Atlantis. OK, it's a cool story by itself. It's really great in terms of like ancient Near Eastern Mediterranean history. It's super important, but not for Atlantis. OK.
00:30:16
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Second, another one that comes up a lot is I believe you pronounce it the Rishat structure or the Richard structure. I always forget. But people have asked me this. I've even talked about this a little once on one of these shows. But of course, they on the show I was on because I care about you people.
00:30:36
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We talked about that and then went to the realities. There's no such thing as Atlantis. So the research structure, this is a geological formation in the middle of Africa. So right there, you're like Atlantis in the middle of Africa. I know it's moronic.
00:30:52
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But what's cool about the the the research structure is that it's just this circular geological formation. Like if you fly over it, it looks like you'll hear like the the eye of the desert. You know, it's this it's this large, again, circular concentric ring.
00:31:11
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like stone outcrop, basically large stone outcrop that's been weathered away. So it really looks like kind of an eye, like this huge geological eye looking at you. But of course, since it has several concentric rings out of it, people like, oh, yeah, it's Atlantis. It's just like Atlantis was structured. Remember how I said it had several concentric moats around it. So just because this geological formation
00:31:37
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Has some circles around it. They're like, oh, must be Atlantis. That makes no sense whatsoever. It is a geological formation. I'm not part of big archaeology telling you lies, although I want to join big archaeology. If any of you if you send me a phone number and email, I need that because I mean, they owe me big archaeology owes me a lot of money, like a lot.
00:32:01
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Anyway, yeah, you'll hear about that one. And of course, if it's an article, it'll start with some crappy clickbait headline like Atlantis in Africa. No. Yeah, no. Again, where do I even go from that? It's just so lame. I can't even joke about it. I can't be like, you know, there's there's nothing. It's like pathetic. I think the word pathetic works best. Like, let it go. The last one they go here.
00:32:29
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is the stones of Atlantis. The stones of Atlantis. Where are they? Are they in the Mediterranean? No, they're in the Bahamas. They're in the Caribbean. I study the stones of Atlantis too, because I can hang out on the Bahamas. You know, you guys, maybe I should say this. The stones of Atlantis are real and I need to go study them right away. Maybe for like a month. If you can pay my expenses, that'd be great.
00:32:52
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So the stones of Atlantis are these square shaped again geological formation that's only in like 20 feet of water or something. It's real, it's real shallow. They look like these square pillows in a row. It's cool. It looks, you know, from first glance, you go, oh, that's kind of interesting. But it's an easily explainable geological formation like that. It's a cool geological formation.
00:33:12
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There's nothing human made about it in any, any way, in any way. No, it's geological. Nobody made it. The Atlanteans didn't make it. The modern cultures of the Bahamas didn't make it. The Earth made it. Yep.
00:33:33
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And that one, again, is just extra stupid. Again, if I if I was in the Bahamas, I'd totally go snorkeling or scuba diving over there just for laughs, just to be like, look at me. What about the stones of Atlantis? And it's a great tourist attraction. You know, that's cool. But the reality of it is moronic, right? Yeah. Plato was talking about some square stones half a world away that was connected in no way to what he was talking about. I mean, what can I do? What can I do, people?
00:33:59
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And of course, the Stones of Atlantis, the Bahamas one, was used by Graham Hancock, our friend Graham Hancock in ancient apocalypse, right? And he went there and he went scuba diving and stuff. And don't you get his his grift there? He got a free trip to the Bahamas. Good for him. Should I do it, too? I think the Graham Hancock and I should both go to the Stones of Atlantis and go scuba diving and he should show me. He should show me.
00:34:26
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The evidence of Atlanteans. I think I think I think he needs to do this right. Graham. You need to drop me a line, dude. I'm scuba scuba certified. I'm ready. I'm ready to roll. You need it. You need to confront me. You should.
00:34:43
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So it's just I mean, again, the adults. Does anyone can you give me just again, a line to an adult that I can talk to? Those are the big three that I hear. But of course, there's others always trying to attach an island that sunk under the ocean, you know, to this Atlantean mythology, which is what it is. Now, why has this survived so long?
00:35:09
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It's because we want it so bad.
The Enduring Allure of Atlantis
00:35:12
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Don't you? Isn't a world with an Atlantis a more interesting, awesome world?
00:35:19
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Absolutely. I vote. I am pro Atlantis, you guys. I want there to be in Atlanta because it would be so interesting. Right. But that is the child in me. OK, the adult who knows facts knows that there is no such thing and is OK with that because I'm used to living in the modern world. It would be the same as if we were on a search for Tatooine. Now, I love Star Wars. I love Tatooine.
00:35:48
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But I'm not going to search for Tatooine. Because it's a story. But do look out for me in the next documentary, Tatooine Unveiled Mysteries. Of the real world.
Conclusion and Credits
00:36:06
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And with that, I'll see you guys next time.
00:36:12
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Thanks for listening to the pseudo archeology podcast. Please like and subscribe wherever you'd like and subscribe. And if you have questions for me, Dr. Andrew Kinkella, feel free to reach out using the links below or go to my YouTube channel, Kinkella teaches archeology. See you guys next time.
00:36:34
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This episode was produced by Chris Webster from his RV traveling the United States, Tristan Boyle in Scotland, DigTech LLC, Cultural Media, and the Archaeology Podcast Network, and was edited by Chris Webster. This has been a presentation of the Archaeology Podcast Network. Visit us on the web for show notes and other podcasts at www.archpodnet.com. Contact us at chris at archaeologypodcastnetwork.com.