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Speaker: All right. Welcome to the runner's podium podcast. So excited to have Corey Wallace today, who is a great runner, a real leader in the run community. One of my favorite Instagram follows. I'll just throw that out there and has also recently become an ultra runner. It's crossed over to the other side.
Speaker: So, um yeah, Corey, thanks so much for joining. Hey, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it. ah when you When you mentioned crossing over to the other side, I'm like, what have I done? i don't think I can answer that question. i don't know. It's ah it's wild.
Speaker: it Seems like it's been good for you, though. Yeah, you know, what's one of the things that i've I've realized over the years when it comes to running is that when when you're running a certain pace, for a marathon or whatever it is, like you're always you're always concentrating on that one specific goal time, whatever may be.
Speaker: But I feel like in ultra marathons, it's like completely different. yeah it's It's like a different vibe altogether and trail running, that's a whole other experience. But like with ultras, pace really doesn't necessarily matter unless you're hitting a certain cutoff.
Speaker: And I just kind of like that vibe. I don't know. it's It's so different than running a marathon or anything like that. And i kind of just fell in love with it. But ah we'll see. We'll see how far i do I dive into that. We'll see. It's a deep dive. Like you can go. It seems like people are just continuing to go deeper and deeper. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: All right. So without further ado, let's get into these categories. So let's start with your top three most memorable running moments. Oh, wow. um Do you want them in order or do you want them like ah like for best to worst?
Speaker: i think it's up to you. It's good to do number one first if you have that. Yeah. So by number one, I feel like it's running New York City Marathon with my wife, Jessie. I feel like that was probably one of the best, like most memorable moments because New York City Marathon is such a big race in general and running alongside my wife was probably like one of the best experiences I've had like ever in running. It's just kind of neat.
Speaker: um Just in general, was kind of enjoying the vibes and just running alongside with her. That was her, like i think it was her second world major, I think. I forget. um And then after that, I feel like Breaking three hours in the marathon. that was that that's like That was just an incredible experience. I didn't know if I was actually going to be able to do it. I like snuck in. i think I hit it. It was like 259, like 57. I just got in there. I'm like, oh, I did it finally. And then ah I guess running my first ultra marathon. I feel like that that was something I was like kind of crazy. I didn't see myself ever running ultras at all, like ever.
Speaker: Um, and just doing that and knowing what the human body is capable of doing. i think it's something that's kind of like, it's, it's kind of, it's kind of wild. I don't know how else to describe it, but, uh, that will always live with me. Like my, my first ultra marathon and, um, yeah, just seeing, just, and just evolving in general in, in running. Was that the one in the Philly area that you recently did? No, so that was the second one I did. um So the first one I did was called the Loopy Looper. And was like a four-mile loop around Cooper River Park in Jersey. 12-hour race.
Speaker: And I ended up running, think it was like 56 and three-quarter miles. Like ultra marathons, they're they're notorious for not being like rounding off a certain number. So like you won't run like 50 miles exactly. You'll be like – 51 and like, you know, 0.1 it was like, it would be always be off. It would never be the right amount. But um this one, I think it was like 56 and three quarters or something like that.
Speaker: And I got it in like 11 hours and something, which is actually, it was, it was wild doing that one because like, that was my first time experiencing like, having an aid station or like stopping during a race, walking during a race like it was just is something that was completely different. But um yeah, the one I did recently, the dirty German one, that was that that was crazy. That was another loop. I feel like i like looped courses when it comes to ultra marathons is weird. But um yeah, that one was, that was a fun one too. 50 miler one. So. Yeah. Looped courses is just a, it's a whole different thing. Like four mile loop. That's what a mentality that It's all mental. That's what it is. I love those. What about your top three running shoes? And which is probably, you know, changes obviously, but at the moment. I guess it really depends on the,
Speaker: It depends on the run. um i will say, so i'm going to put this out there and I, cause I don't run in this one shoe anymore, but I'm going to put it as my number one. um It's the Saucony endorphin speed two.
Speaker: um That one, I don't even know if can find that. I have a couple of pairs in my basement right now that have like way more miles than they should have on there. I just can't get rid of them. I'm like, they're such a good shoe. um But yeah, I kind of wish they had that still, but I mean, they can have to keep moving on, but yeah,
Speaker: I think after that, I think it would end up being like, I'm running a Mount to Coast right now, and I'm loving those shoes. um The Mount to Coast H1, which is their hybrid shoe, road and trail shoe, that's such a good shoe. like I never even heard of the company. I think I heard of it like,
Speaker: I think they're somewhat new I think they're like two years old, something like that. um I heard about it like maybe six months ago. and I'm like, I don't even know anything about this brand at all. I'm like, whatever. So I tried it and I'm like, this is actually a pretty decent shoe. And then they came out with recently the C1, which is their like ultra road shoe.
Speaker: And that one is like an unreal shoe also. I'm like, I kind of, I kind of dig what they're doing. And it's just, I like the style that they have. It's just plain and simple. It's just a running shoe, which is whatever kind of foam they're using. I'm not a shoe guy. So I'm like, I can't really be like, well, it's got this kind of foam, but don't know. I love those shoes. i don't know. i'm I'm using those for a lot of my ultras now. So, um, this is a good thing. So yeah. Yeah. Nice. I don't even, I'm not even aware of that brand.
Speaker: Yeah, you should. i mean, like if you ever get a chance, like try out their shoe. I mean, like they're not necessarily, i don't think they're necessarily like speedy shoes. I don't think that you'll find, that i think if you're doing like a long, like easy run, I think they're perfect for that. Or if you're hopping on the trail, boom, perfect for that. But I feel like, I don't, I don't think they have one that's actually like a speedier kind of shoe. Like don't think there's anything that's like carbon plate in there at all. or Sure, sure.
Speaker: i don't i don't i mean i could be wrong i don't know there's still somewhat new i haven't done my full research on them i just if i find a shoe i like i'm just like i'm gonna keep buying this until it doesn't exist anymore hell yeah i i feel that i feel that all right what about top three running moments that didn't go as planned oh uh um well one one one comes to mind um Uh, Philly marathon was my very first marathon. um I think you and I talked about this before, like a while ago. um I did not fuel at all.
Speaker: Like for that race, I guess I just planned like just to run the same pace the whole time. Cause it was my first marathon. I was like, I'm gonna run like seven minutes per mile. Like this is what I can run on a regular run. I'm gonna do this for 26.2 miles. And that did not work out well. Cause I didn't fuel.
Speaker: I barely hydrated. Um, it didn't, it didn't end well. but So I learned my lesson from that one. um i think so I think the next two come hand in hand, I guess.
Speaker: and don' only reason I say this because the same thing happened in both of these's both of these races. And I don't i don't know why I'm fixating on this. But Boston Marathon 2024, I fell at mile 23. And I'm like, God. It's i like like somebody came somebody came up behind me.
Speaker: They tripped me. And and i just up I ended up falling. I'm like, this is ridiculous. it was like I'm like, all right. i was like that I think that race like broke me after that point. if it didn't do it already before that 23 mile mark it definitely did then and plus it was like super hot out that race and then um then london marathon last year i think it was last year uh yeah maybe i maybe two years ago 2020 i don't know when i did it i forget but i fell at mile like one and a half in the beginning of that race so apparently i can't like stay upright gravity loves me i guess i don't know
Speaker: ah Dude, it happens. It's like such a nightmare scenario, but you hear about it more than you think. Like someone I know, you know, was doing like a world major recently and same thing. They were crushing it. And then like around halfway through someone just like ran, like tripped them. They got tripped up and he broke his foot, you know, like, damn I think he finished the marathon, but in pain. And, but now you know, pay for that. Hey man, PR or ER. That's what it is.
Speaker: That's that mindset. I don't know. I just think that like, I just think just tripping it definitely, i mean, it's it's embarrassing at first, that but also too, like what you do after that moment is what matters the most. If you just kind of like lay around and you kind of complain, it's just like, well, you know,
Speaker: This is what it's going to be. But if you get up and keep moving and you make it to the finish line, I feel like that's, you know, mentally and physically, i think that's the best thing to do for you as opposed unless you like unless so there's something severely wrong.
Speaker: But But I think, you know, one lesson to take away is have not only for yourself, but other people out there, like spatial awareness and races. Absolutely. like It's hard to do with like um Friday London Marathon is very hard to do that because London Marathon is like super duper packed. And um yeah, there's there's just people everywhere.
Speaker: i mean, I get it. It's not just streets aren't made for that many people at one time period. So like it makes sense. But you know what? It's funny I ended up PR-ing in London anyways, even after after i tried I tripped. So that's amazing.
Speaker: ah happy ending yeah i what about your top three pieces of essential gear outside of shoes yeah see outside of outside of shoes um i'm gonna say a good running hat um i feel like i'm i'm always wearing a hat i don't know like i wear sprints hats a lot just because they're fun they're fun designs don't know it's something kind of fun like just having like your personality showing other than like bright clothes or whatever it is some kind of neat like so you just run it down the street and like you're wearing like a hat that has like french fries all over it's like that's amazing like that's kind of fun. share um
Speaker: I don't know. I feel like the next thing, I guess, after after shoes, I mean, if my I can't include that, is would be socks, like having a good pair of socks. like I think you have to take care of your feet no matter what. I mean, honestly, I'm trying to and trying to find as many ways as possible to prevent blisters or anything like losing toenails or whatever, and I feel like socks plays a huge role in that.
Speaker: um and like just kind of keeping your feet dry. i think that's like really important. um I guess I guess the last i the last one, I guess, would be my watch, I guess. I mean, like, I mean, I got to try la it. It doesn't count unless it's on Strava. So I got to get it. Exactly. ah I have an honorable mention for you. What about like your light up run vest thing? Cause I'm a morning runner like in the winter.
Speaker: That actually, that's signature. I love that. I love it. I'm not using it now. Thankfully, I'm not using it now just because it's like bright in the mornings. Like I get outside and I'm like, sun like this is amazing. Yeah. But yeah, I use that vest quite a bit. That would probably be a good top three. I'm not using it currently, but it definitely has saved me a couple of times because people can see you while they're driving or running or whatever may be. Just safety in general is just essential. feel like that would be a good one for top three. Yeah, because it's funny. I also run in the dark in the winter and the mornings, but in New York, I don't really contend with cars. Sure. I only have one or two little street crossings, and then most of my runs are all on paths by the river or on the bridges. I'm so jealous. I'm not really... It's contending with cars as much. I see you do your bridge runs. I'm like, man, I need a good bridge run. I need... Because the views, I feel like they're just awesome. don't know. Amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. It's an amazing feeling to be on the bridge in the winter, like when it's cold, but you feel warm and maybe it's dark and there's like the moon and shining on the river. It's just quiet. It's just so quiet in New York. It's like, wow, this is a cool, cool time to be out here. It's the calm before the storm. Yeah, exactly. All right. What about top three running pet peeves?
Speaker: um Which can be about running. It can be you know training. um i think Other runners. I'm going to say, well, that's I think that, yeah. I'm just going to say, like anybody not waving back or acknowledging that I'm actually there.
Speaker: yeah mean i understand if you don't see me, that's a different story. But if we make eye contact and I wave or I say hi or I let out like a grunt just because I'm like working hard or whatever it is, I expect like something in return, like any, anything ah you could sneeze and be like, okay, like, you know, I'm here like anything. But if you don't, I'm like, all right, like nah, screw you, buddy. Like whatever.
Speaker: I don't know. I think that that's like, that's like the big one. um I always know I'm outside New York when people wave to me when I'm running. Cause New York. Yeah. I can imagine. a No. um I think another one would be like probably people who take up too much space on a pathway, i guess. I think like, like for, especially like trail running or running on a sidewalk or whatever,
Speaker: If you can fit just one person wide when you're actually like running, that's perfect. But when you're in like a group setting and you have like multiple people taking over, it's like, I don't know where to go like Do want me to dip out into the street? do you want to go jump in this bush over here so I can get out of your way? like it's like really I feel like people don't follow the rules of the road either. like yeah it just like That something that's... like I think that kind of i think that that should take number one, actually, just because I feel like people just do that all the time. I understand you want to have conversation with the person, but if you see someone else coming towards you, like tucking behind them or like making such a way that you make it better for both people or all parties, I should say.
Speaker: i don't know. That's... that's that's moveof um hundred And then, ah ah you know, actually going with that same same thread, same thread ah this might ruffle some feathers, but like any kind of cyclists, I feel like cyclists are just like...
Speaker: They're just mad at runners. Or at least where I'm at. I don't know. I mean, I feel like sometimes whenever I see a cyclist like coming in like either towards me or whatever, they I mean, they don't wave. You don't have to. you some Some say hi, you know, whatever. But there was one one incident like a while ago where I was running i was running in the road like on the shoulder um just because it was safer because I feel like Sometimes running on the sidewalk, it can be a little dicey just because the sidewalks are not 100% flat or there's like cracks and like roots and everything or whatever. So like if I'm running in the on the shoulder of the street, it's a little bit better for me to do that rather than getting hit by a car. But then there was a cyclist that was coming up behind me and they were like, i forget exactly what they were saying, but they were super duper angry that I was in the road but not on the sidewalk. And I'm like, listen, i'm like there and there was no no cars coming in any direction. So it's like,
Speaker: you that person could have easily moved over and been fine sure but i'm like okay i mean i understand like i'm kind of in the way i guess but like no no need to be mean about it like i don't know i just don't know i don't know if it's a cyclist thing or not it's probably not i'm probably gonna gonna get a lot of hate for that but never-ending cyclist first runner battle yeah what about your top three favorite races Oh, wow. All right. um but's Yeah, that's an easy one. um Grandma's Marathon. um Beautiful course.
Speaker: It's a nice firebrook three. um And putting the time aside, it like that was probably like one of the coolest ones just because you're running us alongside Lake Superior for a long period of time, and that's like It's like free air conditioning for you because it's like water the the wind's blowing right off the water, which is great. um New York City Marathon, again, because I ran that with Jesse.
Speaker: um And then probably London Marathon, I think, because London was like really cool because you saw a lot of cool things when you were there. I think it was kind of neat, like seeing all like the iconic things and like just being in that atmosphere. And also, I feel like London and New York kind of were competing, I guess, when it comes to crowd support.
Speaker: I think New York is like, you have certain parts where you're like, yeah you can get in your head because there's nobody cheering you on, like the bridges especially, like no one's there to cheer you on. But in London, it is like a constant, like 95% of the race, you have people yelling and cheering at you. And there's only like one part where it's like you get to catch your breath a little bit.
Speaker: But then by then, by the time you notice that, it's over. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, that's good. I think grandma's definitely is number one for me. It's because don't know. I think that holds a special, special place to my heart just because I did break three hours there in the first, for the first time. And also just because the course is just beautiful.
Speaker: Just in general. Great things. Yeah. Yeah. If you ever get a chance to run it, I highly recommend it. It's good. would like to. What about your top three favorite places to train and run? Yeah. Oh, um, I would say anywhere on the trails. That's that's a good one. Any any kind of trail, because I feel like that's just like that's where I'm at right now.
Speaker: um And I think Trevor is just like different. It's like you like I feel like time gets lost. You're just like, you know, you can go outside, like, you know, and be like, I'm going to run for four miles outside and it takes you, let's say 40 minutes or whatever.
Speaker: You'd be like, oh I'm going to go run four miles on the trails, it could take you four hours. You know what i mean? So it's like time is like non-existent out there. um Yeah. I want to say, ah you know, um Inverness in Scotland. um That's one place I love i loved running around there. Jesse and have been to Scotland numerous times, and we've stayed in Inverness. And um there's this really cool, like...
Speaker: I think they they call them locks, I guess. um And you can kind of like run around it sort of and run across it or whatever. um It's just it's really beautiful that area. I mean, as anywhere in Scotland, but like Inverness in general is like super flat where we were like when I was running around that.
Speaker: But in Scotland, it's pretty it's pretty hilly. um But yeah, i I love that area and my being in Scotland. um and honest And honestly, I think anywhere new. Like if I'm running somewhere new, I feel like that's kind of cool because I like like exploring and like getting lost. i don't know. It's weird.
Speaker: I don't like getting lost when I'm driving, but if I'm running, I don't mind getting lost. Totally. Let's get lost. Yeah. What about your top three recovery favorite like recovery tools, foods?
Speaker: Um, well, we'll say watermelon. I just picked some up ah today and I'm like, what? It's like perfect for this time of year, man. Like watermelon is essential. I I'm imagining it helps with like muscle recovery. I'm pretty sure it does.
Speaker: i just eat it because it's delicious and it's nice and cold. So I'm like, boom, done. Um, And then ah so I know Scratch Labs has their vegan oat milk latte recovery mix. I have that after every run that's like over like an hour or so um just because I like to kind of like prep for the next day. and it's just good. It has like the right amount card to protein ratio. So I'm like, that's that's why probably what I use that like nine times out of ten. I use that.
Speaker: um And then I guess sleep. ah Totally. I mean, it's not really a tool, but it's just like, don't know, it's just something I'm like, you know what? I need more sleep. ah So is that that second one like a coffee mix?
Speaker: Is it coffee? So it's like, mean, I guess you, don't know it's really a coffee. It has caffeine in it. Okay. It's like a protein shake kind of thing, but not like protein. I think it's like four to one or five to one carbs to protein ratio. Okay. And I never actually tried that with, I should try that with coffee.
Speaker: I wonder how that would taste. don't know. Now got to try this out tomorrow. I've got figure out if this actually works. It's weird because I have that and then an hour later I'm sipping down coffee or maybe half hour later. depends on where I'm at. I'm having coffee right now. Totally. I feel like I need that, man. I don't know.
Speaker: i sometimes these Sometimes these long runs, they just get like super long and you're just like, I just need to wake up for the rest of the day. Totally, man. Totally. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Corey. All right. Awesome. Any, could you give maybe one last thought for runners out there? Something that you you've taken away from running all these years, all these miles training. Um, I will say, uh, you know what I think that pace doesn't matter.
Speaker: i think that's the one thing. Um, it can matter to a lot of people, a lot of runners. And it can become someone's personality. um But I feel like one of those things where in a world where we like are constantly on the move and we're constantly worried about getting to certain places, a certain time periods, I feel like running should not be something that's actually like,
Speaker: you have to run this certain pace in order to be considered a runner or whatever may be. Like if you run, you're runner. If you run, walk, you run you're ah you're a runner. If you walk and then you run, you're a runner. Yeah, mean, so like I think that's kind of like the gist of what I'm getting at is it's like I think that pacing is something that we all get wrapped up in. We have to hit certain targets, but like when it comes to the end of the day, it's like you are who you are. You can you can only run to what your capacity is like. You can't run someone else's pace because you're not them.
Speaker: you know what I mean? So um I think when it comes to fitness levels, we have to do what's more comfortable for us and especially in the summertime, it's like hot as butt outside. But um yeah, I think I think pace should be something that's like an arbitrary number. It should be like whatever it is, just run based off of vibes. That's it.
Speaker: Love it. Corey, thank you so much for joining. For the listeners out there, you can find Corey at his Instagram, corcorretheherbivore. Are you also on other socials that you do? I'm also on on TikTok. i'm not I mean, I'm on there, but not really. um Yeah, I'm doing that. It's the same handle. um And then i also have a YouTube channel that i started up also. um It's called Corey on the Run.
Speaker: um I think I started like a year or two ago. i i post every once in a while. i'm getting I'm gearing up to actually post a lot more stuff about um my current Dirty German 50-mile race. I'm going to be posting that shortly. And then I'm going to be building up to my 100-miler in October. so there's gonna be a full-on series of that um coming out soon too. So I'm really excited about that. Yeah. So yes, do yourself a favor, follow Corey, check out everything he's doing. Corey, thanks so much. it's amazing to have you on the podcast. Appreciate it.
Speaker: Yeah. Awesome, brother. I'll see you.
