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#6 Brynn Brown's Success Story
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Brynn destroyed Texas state records in the 3200 and 5000 and won several state championships, in addition to winning Texas Gatorade Runner of the Year. At UNC, Brynn made an immediate mark on the team, earning ACC Freshman of the Year honors, recently earning cross country All-America honors, and recently running the second fastest mile in school history with a time of 4:33. Brynn is obviously an incredible athlete, but she has balanced athletics with rigorous courses, and has been an amazing teammate and leader.
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Post-Super Bowl Disappointment
00:00:01
Natalie Tyner
Hi, and welcome back to A&N Track Talk. Okay, so we're filming this the day after the Super Bowl, and my level of disappointment is quite high, not gonna lie. Okay, do I really care about the Chiefs? No. Do I find it fun to hurt the root for them because of my love for Taylor Swift? Yes. But I did also have really high hopes that Taylor would like come out during the halftime show and her and Kendrick Lamar would perform Bad Blood.
00:00:32
Natalie Tyner
But that didn't happen and the Chiefs lost and Travis Kelsey looked really sad and Taylor looked really sad. So, safe to say I was quite bored and I kind of felt bad for them.
00:00:45
Alex
Yeah, sorry, Natalie, for your loss of this sport game. I think they're definitely going out to you. Definitely going out to Taylor Swift.
00:00:55
Natalie Tyner
Of course.
00:00:56
Alex
Personally, I was just there for the snacks, but it was a good game. Go Eagles.
00:01:03
Natalie Tyner
That's such a bandwagon, go Eagles. You don't give two about the Eagles.
00:01:08
Alex
I like play though.
00:01:10
Natalie Tyner
But that's okay. I don't, yeah, I guess I don't really care about the Chiefs. I just like Taylor Swift, so. But okay, that has nothing to do with what we're actually gonna talk about today.
Introducing Brynn Brown
00:01:22
Natalie Tyner
So we are super excited because we have one of our teammates from UNC here with us, Brynn Brown. And we are just super excited to have her on the podcast. She has such a unique and amazing story. And I really think she is such a great influence for the younger generation. So I'm excited for you guys to hear her speak with us.
00:01:45
Alex
Yes, Brynn is an incredible person and amazing athlete. I was trying to figure out what achievements to list out and I just had to choose a few because there were far too many to choose from. But in high school, Brynn broke Texas State records in the 3,200 and 5K and won a bunch of state championships as well as Texas Gatorade Runner of the Year. And at UNC, Brynn obviously made an immediate mark on our team.
00:02:14
Alex
earning ACC Freshman of the Year in Cross Country, and recently in this past season earning her first All-America in
Brynn's Journey at UNC
00:02:21
Alex
Cross Country, and then running the second fastest mile in school history with a time of 4.33.
00:02:21
Natalie Tyner
Yes, and I'm so excited to learn more about because like we've obviously seen so much of Bryn's progress and with her through all the ups and downs right there in the beginning, but I'm so excited to hear more about it because I think like
00:02:28
Alex
Vern is obviously an incredible athlete, but she's also balanced her athletics with a lot of rigorous academics, and she's been an amazing teammate and leader, so we're so excited to have her.
00:02:38
Natalie Tyner
yes and i'm so excited to learn more about because like we've obviously seen so much of bren's progress and with there through all the ups and downs right there in the beginning but i'm so excited to hear more about it because i think like Even as teammates, we don't really get this time always to just like sit down and ask some of these questions. Like we know a ton about each other and we do have deep conversations and you know meaningful conversations, but sometimes we don't hear the whole story. We don't hear the whole picture. And sometimes it's hard to share those things with your teammates, like how much of a struggle it was to get to the point of earning the All-America honors or
00:03:17
Natalie Tyner
whatever it is. So I'm super excited to hear it and I know it'll be really helpful for everyone else. So let's go ahead and bring Brynn in.
00:03:27
Brynn Brown
Guys, I'm blushing.
00:03:27
Natalie Tyner
ah
00:03:28
Brynn Brown
That was so nice.
00:03:29
Natalie Tyner
um
00:03:30
Brynn Brown
Aw, I'm so excited to talk to y'all. I haven't seen y'all in so long, and yes, love the Super Bowl banter. I am a Cowboys fan, so I hate the Eagles, but yeah, they won last night by a landslide, so I was a bit sad as well.
00:03:47
Natalie Tyner
Typical Texas response to love the Cowboys.
00:03:47
Brynn Brown
um
00:03:49
Brynn Brown
Yeah, everyone hates us though, but you know, i it's attention.
00:03:52
Natalie Tyner
That's true.
00:03:53
Alex
Uh-huh.
00:03:54
Brynn Brown
Any press is good press, so. You love it.
00:03:57
Natalie Tyner
True, true.
00:03:59
Brynn Brown
All right.
00:04:01
Alex
ah Well, Bryn, we are so happy to have you.
00:04:01
Natalie Tyner
But...
00:04:04
Alex
Obviously, um the indoor season for UNC has been off to be a really great start. Can you tell us about what this season has meant to you and what the atmosphere has been like on the team as a whole?
Reflections on Senior Year
00:04:18
Brynn Brown
Yes, I think this season is particularly really exciting. For me, it's been a lot of reflecting because I feel old. I'm like, I'm a senior. I have one more after this. I have one more of these. um So it's just been a lot of reflecting on my experience and just getting to watch this team grow so much every year. And also just reflecting back to when you guys were here.
00:04:44
Brynn Brown
starting this whole thing and it's truly starting to happen like this program is becoming one of the best in the country and it's going to become a place where women come to chase their dreams and I come to practice every day and that's like exactly what it is so the atmosphere is at an all-time high people are PRing people are training super hard and everyone's just rooting for each other so we're really excited as we build in the championship season which is just right around the corner to go chase down some championships and some national championship births for sure and hopefully some more All-Americans.
00:05:17
Natalie Tyner
Yes, yes. You guys like you in particular are truly killing it this season and so is everyone else. Like it's not like it's just one or two people like everybody's really killing it and i I just there's so many great things to come and I think all of us who have been a part of it over the past like six, seven, eight years and like we've known that this stuff has been coming for a while but nobody else is really seeing it. So it's it's starting to kind of come to fruition a little bit but I think there's there's so much power in like being a senior in it too. like Yeah, you you definitely have a little bit more eligibility left and all that stuff, but like you do start to feel kind of old as a senior. And I remember that feeling too of just being like, all right, I'm kind of old now. like i I feel like an actual adult at this point where when you come in, you're like, I don't feel like an adult. um And I think there's also the side of it that it takes time to kind of get to this point.
00:06:16
Natalie Tyner
You know, you've been seeing this success your senior year, but I mean, to point out, like you haven't been satisfied with every single year and you really haven't been satisfied with the beginning of your, like you had such high expectations coming in. And I say that just from knowing you, but obviously I'd love for you to speak on it more, but I know you were really frustrated a lot and it is a common theme. Like many runners come into college with this really high expectation and they should.
00:06:46
Natalie Tyner
But I would say so many times like those expectations aren't met right away. And I think that can mean really hard on people mentally. So can you kind of take us through the expectations you had coming in and how it's kind of led to this like progression year after year?
Identity and Patience
00:07:05
Brynn Brown
Yes, I love that question because I think coming in a big thing for me was my identity was just so warped into how I ran on the track and the times I ran the titles that I got and so when I came to college and you know you go from being this big fish in a small pond to you in this ocean and everyone's a big fish um so to speak it was overwhelming and I was frustrated and I think one thing we do really well here at UNC you know full circle now I'm older and I kind of see that like the way Milt has trained us is you're not supposed to do well your freshman year you're supposed to like go out there and compete and believe in yourself and get those experiences but we definitely are looking at that 10-year plan and so I wanted it immediately I was really competitive and I had high goals and when I did an achievement freshman year it was devastating to me because
00:07:55
Brynn Brown
I think I realized like my identity is running in school even like I think you remember my pre-med freshman year like so immersed in school and running and that's all all my life was and I think because iowa the coaches did have that 10-year plan and forced me to slow down. And there were some injuries along the way too. um Because we did it the right way, I got to slow down and learn those lessons that I never would have learned. um And so now I'm running. And I joke, I was like, I'm honestly, I was injured all last year and I was really happy and I'm running really well, but I'm probably about the same level of happiness. you know doesn't
00:08:35
Brynn Brown
I don't have to have it.
00:08:37
Natalie Tyner
Mm hmm.
00:08:37
Brynn Brown
And I think there's power in that. um So that was kind of, that's kind of where I'm at now. And I'm just really curious, I'm still really curious and having fun with it. And I think coming into college, I wasn't, I didn't really have that playful mindset.
00:08:50
Brynn Brown
I had this have to achieve um really compulsive mindset um that I think is really common in high schoolers coming into college, especially people that come and run at UNC.
00:08:51
Natalie Tyner
Mm hmm.
00:09:02
Brynn Brown
So yeah, I say make it fun.
00:09:06
Alex
Yeah, I love that. I think there's so much wisdom in a lot of what you just said, especially the coming in and really feeling like you need to see those immediate results. I think even when you're told that the long-term picture is like years and ahead, it's hard coming from the success that you had to really be patient and accept that
Motivation in Sports
00:09:28
Alex
growth. But it's definitely been cool to be able to see the way that You've grown and kind of shifted your mindset, especially in the past couple of years of really trying to find that balance and a happiness with just yourself and not just in running alone. And so that's really cool to hear you say that you feel equally as happy now as you did when you were going through a really tough time with injuries and everything.
00:09:52
Alex
um But I think it's really important too to kind of understand how you got to this point. So let's look back a little bit. Can you tell us what it was like growing up in Texas and how that laid the foundation for your running career and just where you are today in general?
00:10:08
Brynn Brown
Yeah, so growing up, I grew up in mostly Denton, Texas, but my dad, we had land like in Munster, Texas, which is just south of the Oklahoma border. So I like to say I'm like a suburban country kid. um So I have that little bit of upbringing. um I played competitive soccer too, for a large part of my childhood. um And I think that definitely kind of shapes my like trajectory into running. I'm sure everyone has heard the story of like the really fast midfielder, you know the cross-country coach hears about you and is like, oh, you should come run. And you end up being kind of good at it, so you stay in it. So that was kind of my introduction into running. And running for me also had quite a negative start. I think this is where a lot of that mindset that I came in freshman year was from.
00:10:58
Brynn Brown
I came from a pretty dysfunctional family and so a lot of the ways that I coped with like what was going on at home was running. um I found that like if I achieved or if I accomplished something, there was almost like this sense of relief that I was like worthy and you know that's deeper, that's pretty deep.
00:11:19
Brynn Brown
um And I can go into that more, but I definitely had a pretty dysfunctional relationship with sport and running. And so when I remember getting recruited in high school, I was just so excited to like get out of state and go and like get away from home. um And so bringing a lot of that into college, I never really worked through it. I've kind of, well, for a lack of better words, no pun intended, ran away from it.
00:11:44
Alex
Hmm.
00:11:45
Brynn Brown
um And so, yeah, then I came to UNC and it presented me with that opportunity. I think with the coaching staff we have here, they kind of saw what was going on. um And then me also getting injured really forced me to learn the lesson I just talked about. So, yeah, that's kind of tying my upbringing in Texas to where I'm at now. And I can dive into some of that a little more. That's kind of like a brief summary.
00:12:11
Natalie Tyner
Yeah, I think we'll we'll definitely dive into that a little more. But like some initial thoughts I have from that is like how common this is. Not necessarily your experience, but how common people get into running.
00:12:26
Natalie Tyner
And it becomes this um therapy of a sort. And and and we become like really good at it still.
00:12:31
Brynn Brown
Oh yeah.
00:12:34
Natalie Tyner
And we don't even realize that we're using it as a way to cope with outside of motion. But it, it propels us, but then when that isn't there anymore, it's like what, what's keeping you going. And so I find that super interesting. I don't know if you listened to the podcast we did with Sarah trainer, uh, but she talked about it, you know, as very, not the same, but a similar situation of like how like her running was being fueled by outside factors. And when there's outside factors that weren't there anymore.
00:13:08
Natalie Tyner
it became more challenging or kind of just led to some other things. So do you, so you were kind of like attesting a lot of the success in high school to that and like having, um, I guess like my question would be like, do you feel like it was almost like a need for success that was propelling you or, um,
00:13:33
Natalie Tyner
More of like a anger stress that was repelling you. I'm trying to think of the right way to word that, if that makes sense.
00:13:39
Brynn Brown
No, yeah, I listened to Sarah's episode and it brought me to tears at some point because I was like, oh my gosh, I can relate to that so much.
00:13:44
Natalie Tyner
Aww.
00:13:47
Brynn Brown
I don't think I necessarily like more of a stress-anger standpoint.
00:13:51
Natalie Tyner
Mm-hmm.
00:13:51
Brynn Brown
It was for me, if I achieved something, even in school, I had to be valedictorian. I had to be perfect across the board because then I was like, oh, then I have a sense of self-worth.
00:13:57
Natalie Tyner
Mm-hmm.
00:14:01
Natalie Tyner
Mm-hmm.
00:14:02
Brynn Brown
Um, and so when I got to college and I mean, all those, you're not achieving at that rate anymore, obviously, because the NCAA is, and it's incredibly challenging to do that. It's, everyone is so talented, um, and gifted fast.
00:14:16
Brynn Brown
So when that got stripped away, I definitely felt pretty like empty and I realized that I like needed almost a new Y to continue running.
00:14:25
Natalie Tyner
Mmhmm.
00:14:26
Brynn Brown
Um, and I think sophomore year for me in college, um, I hit an all-time low and then I think the greatest blessing in disguise for my career was me getting completely sidelined by injury my junior year because it forced me to really work through those like dilemmas in my running. I went to therapy. I took it seriously for the first time and really started to discover who I was and just felt so joyful and really loved life and so when running came back into my life I kind of was just really curious. I was like okay I'm gonna go see
00:14:59
Brynn Brown
Well, I can do, I'm going to do the training and I'm just going to go race and have fun. And that cross country season where I got my first All-American honors after that year being sidelined my senior year, I remember running the national championship and I i mean, you' when you're running, everyone's screaming at you, you're a top four today.
00:15:17
Brynn Brown
Like all the whole time, you're just like, shut up, I want to run.
00:15:18
Alex
yeah you
00:15:20
Brynn Brown
um But i I never really was like, oh, I have to be All-American. I was just like, I'm having fun competing. you know, seeing where I can finish amongst this field. So it was really fun to kind of change that mindset um and definitely a long process. But I definitely feel like it's common um coming into college to have that contingency where like you feel you need to achieve because we were all such high achievers. I mean, that's how you got where you are. But what got you here will not get you there. So it's really important to look in the mirror and see, you know, how can I get to that next level and do some self-reflecting? So that's essentially what I did.
00:15:56
Alex
Yeah, I love your use of the word curiosity and really being able to kind of reframe it into this is what I have to do versus like, let's just go see what's possible.
00:16:06
Natalie Tyner
Mm hmm.
00:16:07
Alex
It's so much more exciting and fun. And I think you've done a really good point that what got you to your success in high school isn't necessarily the same recipe for what's going to get you that success in college. And I think a lot of people kind of have a hard time reframing that because it's so tempting to want to shift back to what's worked in the past, even though you're in a completely different setting and circumstance. But I'm just curious, like, how have you now that you've kind of re-shifted your mindset from
00:16:40
Alex
needing that success, needing that for like your validation and sense of self to a much more balanced and open perspective.
Mindset Shift and Drive
00:16:49
Alex
Where do you feel like that drive comes from? And do you ever feel those fears kind of creeping back in of like, oh, maybe I think a lot of people I've like talked to have just like said something similar, but like maybe I need that fear almost to drive me.
00:17:06
Brynn Brown
Yes, I love that because sometimes like the habits that you have are just things that are comfortable for you. Just because you've done them in the past and you might have success, it's really hard to break that contingency.
00:17:17
Alex
Uh-huh.
00:17:17
Brynn Brown
So I definitely still have those thoughts. um It's just a matter of I can like see those thoughts and not act on them. um And, you know, stay curious within that mindset, like having an open mind to what coach mill and Jess and Ian are telling me. And they constantly remind me to, to just go have fun and like be fierce. Um, I think after one race, um, regionals have for cross country, I started to shift back. Come to my old thought patterns and I didn't run very well because of it. And milk kind of looks at me after the race and he just goes bread, be fierce.
00:17:53
Brynn Brown
And I laughed and I was like, that was a great reminder. Thank you. So I think just being cognizant that that tendency to shift back into your old thought patterns is there and being open-minded.
00:18:06
Brynn Brown
You know, you don't have to act on those thoughts, but it is scary because those thoughts may have worked in the past. Just keep an open mind and that open mind might be the unlock to reaching that next level.
00:18:18
Brynn Brown
And you don't even know it because you're too hesitant to try. So I think you just got to jump in, so to speak, and try new things.
00:18:23
Alex
Mm hmm.
00:18:24
Natalie Tyner
Oh my gosh.
00:18:25
Alex
That's a good point.
00:18:25
Natalie Tyner
i have
00:18:25
Alex
And I think, yeah, that also really speaks to the way that like, that's never over. It's not like you just eliminated those thoughts. And now it's always smooth sailing, like it's still something that you have to work through.
00:18:36
Alex
So thank you for touching on that.
00:18:39
Natalie Tyner
Yeah.
00:18:39
Brynn Brown
Oh of course.
00:18:39
Natalie Tyner
I mean, I, I absolutely love this. Like I'm just sitting here like, I don't, I want to say smiling because I feel like that sounds bad because obviously these are like hard things to talk about.
00:18:49
Natalie Tyner
But at the same time, I'm like, yes, like these are more of the conversations that need to be had. Like I, it's such a great point that, you know, even though this is a something that you've been working on and changing those thought patterns that doesn't mean that they're not there.
00:19:09
Natalie Tyner
It doesn't mean that you still don't sometimes feel like you have to have the success, you know, or have to have the achievements, but you are willing and you're able because you have that space to recognize it and work towards it. And as we were kind of having this conversation, I had this memory pop back into my brain. And I don't know if you remember this, Bryn,
00:19:39
Natalie Tyner
but it was Alex and I's senior year I think and I don't know if you would just you would just like told us how you were going to be working in a lab taking like 18 credit hours working a job like you were telling us like this crazy like list of things you were going to do and I said Bryn can I talk to you outside and I like pulled you aside and I was like hey like I'm really concerned like I think there has to be a balance here. Like I don't remember exactly what I said, right? Like this was two years ago, but I do remember us like having this conversation. And I just see so much growth from the time that I was talking to sophomore year, brint about this to talking to senior year about this. And like you have this, this transition from having to do everything to be successful, to realizing there's some things you can do
00:20:31
Natalie Tyner
you can still find success and you can still find that balance. So can you talk a little bit more about like how you kind of have worked through the mindset of finding that balance between doing everything and having that like having those, what's the right word? Like tangible things that you have to like keep working towards and kind of like getting down into the specifics of like managing all of it.
00:21:00
Brynn Brown
Oh my gosh, yeah. I remember that conversation. um Yeah, and I was like angry at the time. I was like, oh, she's like making me work less. But I didn't realize at the time, like, you know, why I was doing that. um And I think doing that inner work and really being cognizant of my thought patterns was like, okay, yeah, I definitely also was like the achievement piece like so fixated on my external image and i was like i want to be perceived as someone who just like works really hard and you know like i said like the habitual mindset i was so comfortable in um i think i got to a place where it genuinely just wasn't sustainable anymore um
00:21:42
Brynn Brown
And like quite honestly, I think I i realized after it like sophomore year, again, me hurt.
Injury and Self-Discovery
00:21:48
Brynn Brown
I didn't know who Bryn was. like I didn't know who I was outside of my work. And I think a lot of times myself, at least I think other people do this too, like will mask a lot of their internal dilemmas or just things they might be going through with overworking themselves and i and isolating too. like i That's kind of where I tend to go to, my my poor coping mechanisms.
00:22:09
Brynn Brown
Um, and so once I kind of had this like aha moment being hurt or when I literally physically couldn't overwork myself anymore, like that's kind of what I was doing, I guess.
00:22:22
Brynn Brown
And then also being like, I genuinely don't know like who I am outside of all this, like, you know, outside of my LinkedIn page, so to speak, like, who is who is Bryn Brown.
00:22:30
Alex
Bye.
00:22:33
Brynn Brown
So I think that was what I started, like, ask myself and be, like I said, curious curious about and open minded. And that was a hard like transition period, because I was kind of letting go of it the one thing I knew, which was that tendency just to overwork and you know be overly concerned about what my like primary application is gonna look like for med school which is funny I don't even know if I'm like for sure going to med school anymore I'm pretty open-minded about that too but at the time I didn't um so I think with that too like don't hold on to anything about your identity so tightly I think having a loose identity in fluid one is is important too with that but
00:23:13
Brynn Brown
It's just a general summary.
00:23:13
Natalie Tyner
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:14
Brynn Brown
Open-mindedness. You take away.
00:23:17
Natalie Tyner
I think that's huge. And I think that's something that, honestly, I think when we're kind of like going through the recruiting process and we're going through like choosing a school, and I know this sounds like a little off topic, but like ah it kind of ties into that open mind-mindedness.
00:23:37
Natalie Tyner
Like how do you, find that open mind isn't mindedness towards like going somewhere and making sure it's the right fit for you. Because if you were just like, no, I like, okay. I had teammates in high school who were trying to choose their school, like their school they wanted to run for based off of what um brand sponsor the school. So in obviously not everybody's that way, but there is a side of it that like,
00:24:10
Natalie Tyner
i've I've been working with a lot of high school athletes towards this the struggle. okay So how did you decide on UNC and then give me one piece of advice that you would give to high schoolers in the middle of the recruiting process?
00:24:14
Brynn Brown
Yeah.
00:24:27
Brynn Brown
yeah Okay, so my recruiting process was Zoom University, so well i am I had a very unique recruiting process. um I look at my like final five sometimes sometimes and I'm just like, how did this list like come to be? It just doesn't make sense. like They're not similar in any vein, they're like kind of just five schools that I like zoomed called and really liked but I think my recruiting process was was fun because I i had to be open minded like I couldn't I didn't get to have the normal traditional official visits. um And I think the emphasis for me and the recruiting process was always the people.
00:25:08
Brynn Brown
Um, cause I knew at the end of the day, like this kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier, like the times you run in college, the titles you win, those are cool and all, but you're going to remember those relationships you form with people. Um, and that's truly what's important. So I think.
00:25:24
Brynn Brown
Keeping that at the focus in the center um is always a good piece of advice and was central to my recruiting because I was on Zoom. So I got to know everyone from every program on FaceTime, um which at first I thought was going to be um like it just said I was like, oh, I'm not going to see that facilities.
00:25:43
Brynn Brown
I'm not going to see the cool like gear. I'm not going to be able to take the media day photos as one 17-year-old thinks.
00:25:47
Natalie Tyner
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:25:49
Brynn Brown
Um but I think really ask yourself like do I see myself sitting in with this team of women and I think I think you've touched on this too like college is just a super it's a hard time I didn't realize how hard it was going to be so like do you see yourself being happy within that team and that environment and how do those coaches communicate to you and their athletes and what kind of culture are they creating as a program. I think that is what should be central and having an open mind to that.
Choosing the Right College
00:26:20
Brynn Brown
um Because this you and the facilities, all that truly doesn't matter. Like running is a sport where you can be good without those things. um But you can't be good probably without a good culture and supportive environment. So prioritize those things for sure.
00:26:36
Alex
Yeah, that is such good advice. Obviously, the relationships are going to be kind of the foundation of so much of your life in college and beyond, too. I think all of us can attest to the way that our relationships with coaches and teammates have continued so far past just college alone. um I'm curious, like can you talk about how you've kind of developed your relationship with your coaches over time and kind of learned how to communicate and how to have such an open dialogue with your coaches.
00:27:10
Brynn Brown
Yes, I think three words come to mind and I'm sure you guys may be thinking the same thing, advocate for yourself.
00:27:14
Natalie Tyner
Thank
00:27:17
Brynn Brown
um And that goes with anything in life.
00:27:17
Natalie Tyner
you.
00:27:20
Brynn Brown
but you're going to have to, I think a great skill you learn being an athlete in college is if you want, like your coaches obviously are going to be in dialogue with you and you're going to have training plans and you're going to see each other at practice. But I think advocating, you know, if you are in pain, obviously that's, that's one scenario that comes to mind. But also if you just need to talk to somebody or something's going on, being able to speak up and like, Hey, I need to talk to you about this.
00:27:47
Brynn Brown
um and having that open dialogue in their office or wherever you guys meet. um I think what's so incredible about these coaches is they prioritize the human before the athlete and that was really obvious to me over when I was getting recruited um and so I think looking for that in schools is really important too but advocate for yourself, be willing to have those conversations that might be a little bit challenging or difficult to your coaches that require you to be vulnerable um Yeah, I think that's what I would boil it down to.
00:28:20
Brynn Brown
I've told my coaches a lot of things, so I'm really, really thankful for them.
00:28:20
Natalie Tyner
Yeah.
00:28:22
Alex
hip
00:28:24
Brynn Brown
They've been with me through some difficult times for sure.
00:28:28
Natalie Tyner
Yeah, that's so huge. And honestly, if I could go back to my freshman year self and teach myself how to advocate for myself, I would because that is a lesson that took me four years to learn. Let's be real.
00:28:42
Natalie Tyner
um
00:28:42
Brynn Brown
Same, honestly.
00:28:45
Natalie Tyner
Okay, so if you could pick one other thing, though, that you could go back and tell your freshman yourself, what would it be?
00:28:49
Brynn Brown
who
00:28:53
Brynn Brown
Have fun.
00:28:55
Natalie Tyner
Yeah.
00:28:55
Brynn Brown
Enjoy life. And I think, yeah, i quit waiting. We talk about this a lot at practice. like Don't wait until you're running well, or you have the grades, or you're achieving whatever to have fun.
00:29:06
Brynn Brown
Because as soon as you achieve something, like it doesn't change anything about yourself.
00:29:06
Natalie Tyner
Mm-hmm.
00:29:13
Brynn Brown
I mean, don't get me wrong. It's fun. But you're still the same person you were before you achieved whatever goal. So prioritize enjoyment. Have fun in everything. Yeah. That's what I would say.
00:29:26
Alex
stuff waiting is the most wise thing I've heard in like ages.
00:29:29
Brynn Brown
Thank you.
00:29:30
Alex
Like that's crazy because I feel like so many people you're like not even just in running but you're always just waiting like oh and once I do this I'll be happy and my life will be like complete and fulfilled or like once I do this then I can work on something else but you like then you're just always waiting.
00:29:31
Natalie Tyner
okay
00:29:39
Natalie Tyner
Mmhmm.
00:29:49
Alex
That's such good advice. Wow I'm gonna write that down right now.
00:29:53
Brynn Brown
Whoo!
00:29:53
Alex
ah
00:29:54
Brynn Brown
Thanks, Alex!
00:29:57
Alex
This is something, I don't know like how much we've really talked about this before, but in our last episode, Natalie and I had this discussion about the role of body image in sport and especially in running.
Body Image in Sports
00:30:14
Alex
Can you tell us a little bit about how that has affected you?
00:30:18
Brynn Brown
Yes. Oh gosh, we could like have a whole other podcast episode on this.
00:30:21
Natalie Tyner
Oh yeah, totally good.
00:30:21
Alex
Yeah.
00:30:22
Brynn Brown
Like this is, yeah, this is such, it's such a pertinent issue and people are definitely talking about it more, but it definitely to me feels very like hush hush and taboo still, um, which I don't like.
00:30:33
Natalie Tyner
Mhm.
00:30:38
Brynn Brown
I feel like it's a very common issue to deal with and I've definitely dealt with it in the past. especially as a young freshman in college, I would compare myself to my teammates all the time, um which never ended up working out well for me. ah Because if you're going to the line, like you're about to race and push yourself super hard if you're preoccupied with negative thoughts.
00:31:01
Brynn Brown
about the way you look or even the way you've trained. If you don't have an ounce of belief, like that's going to show up in your racing. So it definitely impacts your performance. um I think I would be lying if I say I don't still struggle with it.
00:31:14
Alex
Mm hmm.
00:31:15
Brynn Brown
As someone who's always been like very strong and ah coming into the sport was told that i like I looked like a soccer player and that I had muscles and I was really insecure about them.
00:31:27
Brynn Brown
ah But I think now I've just I'm really just leaning into how I feel and I feel strong. I feel good. I'm running the best I've ever had. And that's enough data for me to to be satisfied with where I'm at.
00:31:40
Brynn Brown
And I know what I look like in a uniform has nothing to do with how I'm going to go race.
00:31:44
Natalie Tyner
Okay.
00:31:46
Brynn Brown
It's about that training and preparation. And yeah, but it's such an issue in our sport and I wish it was talked about more.
00:31:49
Natalie Tyner
Yeah.
00:31:53
Natalie Tyner
Yeah, I do think it's a huge issue. And I will be sharing that. And I love the piece about how like, you know, being honest, ah it's something you still struggle with. And honestly, anyone that I've talked to who's struggled with it at some point, I don't think it ever goes away.
00:32:10
Alex
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:32:12
Natalie Tyner
I mean, if somebody's had it go away, please tell me because I want to know how you did it. Like, I like
00:32:17
Brynn Brown
Seriously.
00:32:19
Natalie Tyner
Honestly, this is something like it's something I work at every single day and I don't even compete anymore. so like Think about like how much you're working at it when you're competing and you're constantly surrounded by it. so There's so much struggle behind this and I have to read you guys this statistic that I read this morning because it's just insane. i Honestly, mind was blown. Honestly, I was about to cry because I was so angry.
00:32:47
Natalie Tyner
okay so low energy availability is basically the new word and red S are the new ways of describing, describing like the female athlete triad, um, basically puts you at risk for low bone density, stress fractures, uh, mood disorders, poor performance and recovery, like all sorts of things. But overall it comes from under eating, train, not feeling your training, all of that stuff.
00:33:20
Natalie Tyner
But listen to this statistic. Nearly 80% of elite female cross-country runners show risk for low energy availability. 88% of professional female soccer players have low in energy availability.
00:33:35
Natalie Tyner
96% of ballet dancers have low energy availability. And 100% of synchronized swimmers had low energy availability.
00:33:45
Brynn Brown
A hundred?
00:33:45
Natalie Tyner
And I didn't, yeah, I didn't read out the studies because you guys would be like, okay,
00:33:46
Brynn Brown
Wow.
00:33:50
Natalie Tyner
Um, but yes, those were all like actual scientific studies. So if your mind isn't blown a little bit, um, it it is really disheartening and I, I don't even know what the next step is besides continuing to have these conversations and continuing to educate more coaches.
00:33:58
Brynn Brown
Wow.
00:33:59
Alex
ting
00:33:59
Brynn Brown
That was disheartening.
00:34:02
Alex
who
00:34:03
Brynn Brown
Yeah.
00:34:12
Natalie Tyner
Um, but yeah, go for it.
00:34:14
Alex
Yeah, it's crazy. We just had a similar presentation um at Loyola from like our RD about um Red S and low energy availability.
00:34:26
Alex
And one of the things that stood out stood out to me was that it's not just, obviously your athletic performance and injury rate can be impacted by this, but the fact that it also influences your mental health and so many people find themselves in this brain fog and just like drowsiness, lack of motivation, and it could be
00:34:39
Natalie Tyner
Mmhmm.
00:34:48
Alex
not fixed easily, but there's a reason that it's happening. It's not just like a normal fluctuation in your mood, and which I think is so hard because it also contributes to this positive feedback loop of like not feeling enough.
00:35:04
Alex
And then your mood and your motivation is low. you don't have You don't train as well.
00:35:07
Brynn Brown
Thank you.
00:35:09
Alex
And then that contributes back to again, like not eating enough. um So it's really ah like, it's so tricky.
Energy Availability and Mental Health
00:35:17
Alex
But yeah, I think the more and more that people start to kind of acknowledge what a role this plays in our lives and how so many of us still struggle with those thoughts. um Hopefully we can change the narrative a little bit.
00:35:35
Natalie Tyner
Yeah. That's definitely a hope for sure. Um, but I'd be curious to hear a little bit more about like how, what are some ways you work on managing it? Like maybe not necessarily a tangible way, but what are some, some different things you do to work on?
00:35:53
Brynn Brown
No, like hearing that makes my heart hurt because I think my introductory or introductory gosh introduction into sport was going to Foot Locker and extend and that was just the normal.
00:36:05
Brynn Brown
The girls that were running the best were definitely engaging in some pretty disordered behaviors.
00:36:05
Alex
Mm hmm.
00:36:05
Natalie Tyner
Mm hmm.
00:36:11
Brynn Brown
And so I kind of thought, hey, if they're doing that, then that means I need to do that too. um Because I, went again, was willing to do anything I thought to be the best I wanted to achieve.
00:36:18
Natalie Tyner
Mm hmm.
00:36:23
Brynn Brown
um And I was pretty naive. So that led me down a pretty scary rabbit hole that if I didn't have intervention in college as early as I did, certainly my career could look a whole lot different right now.
00:36:36
Brynn Brown
um I guess I don't mind sharing this. I didn't get my first period until I was a junior in college when I got hurt. um So I definitely struggled with reds or LEA.
00:36:43
Natalie Tyner
Mmhmm.
00:36:46
Brynn Brown
I never was diagnosed or anything. um But yeah, one of the side effects that i I didn't even know was going on because it was kind of just my normal state was just lack that brain fog, like almost like a lack of personality. And then when I started eating it more or changing my habits, I noticed I'm like, I feel so much better. Like I want to go to class. I want to talk to everybody. I like so like it was that that was kind of a really aha moment. So I think for me hanging on to that and knowing that
00:37:20
Brynn Brown
At the end of the day, that was what I used to think was going to make me good. But I i know the science. And also, our coaches here are really good about telling us about the science.
00:37:26
Natalie Tyner
Mm-hmm.
00:37:30
Brynn Brown
like That's not how you're going to run your fastest. And more importantly, that's not how you're going to be your best self. So I think just look out for yourself and fuel your body. It's so, so important, not just for running.
00:37:42
Brynn Brown
like You will absolutely run better. But you'll be a better person for it, too, like what Alex was saying is so true.
00:37:50
Natalie Tyner
Yeah, I love that. I think that's a huge aspect of it for sure. like knowing that you, it, like it affects your personality and your mood and who you are.
00:38:02
Natalie Tyner
And that's scary that we're looking at 80% plus in, depending on the sport and these studies, it's, it's insane.
00:38:15
Natalie Tyner
And these aren't even out. Like these are not outdated studies, like recent 2023 studies. It's, it's scary for sure. Uh,
00:38:24
Brynn Brown
Yes. I hope there's more research done too. I feel like that there's a lack of research.
00:38:27
Natalie Tyner
it's Exactly.
00:38:28
Brynn Brown
So that's frustrating.
00:38:29
Natalie Tyner
Exactly. There is. But I also think there's a lack of education. So like like you said, like coaches at UNC, but we know they they have done their research and they put their life and dedication into knowing more about that and like really learning how to coach females.
00:38:33
Brynn Brown
Oh, true.
00:38:40
Alex
Thank you.
00:38:48
Natalie Tyner
But we don't always have that at the youth level. you know We're not seeing this at the high school, middle school, below levels. And so you recently started something to work with youth athletes, right?
Brynn's Nonprofit Vision
00:39:02
Brynn Brown
Yeah, so I'm doing a little nonprofit.
00:39:03
Natalie Tyner
And Chappelle?
00:39:05
Brynn Brown
It's called Run Your City. And we get to work with kiddos from Chapel Hill ISD, from kindergarten to eighth grade, and and just kind of introducing them to track and field. But our main goal is to give that opportunity to kids who might not be able to afford sport, because sport is a privilege and it's really expensive.
00:39:23
Brynn Brown
and So it's just not a reality for some families. So our goal is to provide that opportunity for kids and also teach them about stuff like like that. Our lessons that we've learned from being athletes at college and at the high school and middle school level.
00:39:38
Brynn Brown
um So we're really excited. That kicks off in March. So we're working hard to get ready for it.
00:39:43
Natalie Tyner
Yay!
00:39:43
Brynn Brown
It'll be fun. look
00:39:44
Natalie Tyner
I love that.
00:39:45
Alex
That is so exciting. I definitely can't wait to hear more about how the kickoff goes. And I'm sure those kiddos will benefit so much from getting to have you women as role models. So that's really exciting. um Speaking of the spring, so Vern, you're going to finish your senior year in May. What comes next for you, if you know?
00:40:11
Brynn Brown
I think I know. So you I am between potentially doing grad school or doing another, adding to my undergrad degree, but I'm pretty certain I'm taking a fifth year at UNC. So I'll still be in the NCAA, run another year. I know I have indoor and outdoor eligibility. I'm pretty sure I don't have cross.
00:40:35
Brynn Brown
ah i I have like a little glimmer of hope. I'm like, oh, maybe I can get it, but I'm pretty sure I won't be able to. um
00:40:41
Alex
There's always a way.
00:40:42
Brynn Brown
There's always a way. I'm going to find a way, dang it.
00:40:45
Natalie Tyner
Come on Jess!
00:40:46
Brynn Brown
Please stress. But yeah, I'll be in Chapel Hill for another year. And then I don't know. I would love to run after college. um I think just with where my mindset is right now, I'm really just having so much fun.
Future Aspirations
00:40:59
Brynn Brown
So I definitely want to keep running in my life some way, shape, or form. I'm currently on the pre-med track. So I'm hoping to submit my primary next spring. So I'm a little nervous about that.
00:41:11
Brynn Brown
but um Yeah, that's kind of where we're at right now. We'll see what actually ends up happening because plans are just plans.
00:41:18
Natalie Tyner
Yeah. And nothing's ever solidified but until ah it you know until it's actually happening. But it's so exciting to kind of have those things in the back of your mind that you're looking forward to. And it's just, yeah, it's going to be a a ton of fun. And I'm excited for you to to have another year at running and kind of see where it takes you because I do think it takes a lot of time to like grow into the the level of an athlete that you want to be at the collegiate level. um But looking to this track season, what is one goal you don't mind sharing with everyone?
00:41:56
Brynn Brown
Ooh, to pick one. um Right now, I really, ah I want to make a national championship.
00:42:05
Natalie Tyner
Hmm.
00:42:06
Brynn Brown
I'll say an outdoor. Indoor makes me a little angry, because it's just by time.
00:42:10
Natalie Tyner
Yeah.
00:42:10
Brynn Brown
And I'm like, these people are chasing times. They're not actually competing and racing. um So indoor, I would love to make national, but make the national championship in the 5K and get another All-America honors.
00:42:22
Brynn Brown
Be my goal share.
00:42:23
Natalie Tyner
Yeah!
00:42:25
Brynn Brown
and get some teammates. We'll have a lot of people there too, so put UNC on the map.
00:42:27
Natalie Tyner
Heck yeah.
00:42:30
Alex
Hell yeah, that's so exciting. And I also love the mindset of competing and not just chasing times because I think especially in the world of track and field right now with like super shoes and bicarb, like, which is all great technology, but it takes away from like the competing part.
00:42:46
Brynn Brown
Oh, don't get me started on the bight arm.
00:42:54
Brynn Brown
I'm sorry, I just had the most negative experience of bicarb ever.
00:42:54
Natalie Tyner
yeah
00:42:58
Alex
What?
00:42:58
Brynn Brown
Like, okay, so I didn't hydrate right, and I tried it for the first time for a workout, and oh gosh, I don't know if I should be sharing this on a podcast.
00:42:59
Natalie Tyner
Yeah.
00:43:08
Alex
yeah
00:43:08
Natalie Tyner
Just give us the cleanest version possible.
00:43:09
Brynn Brown
and There was lots of bathroom strips, and I think I, like, already became up for life.
00:43:14
Alex
Oh, no.
00:43:17
Natalie Tyner
Oh god.
00:43:19
Brynn Brown
And I survived the workout.
00:43:22
Alex
Yeah, you made it through.
00:43:24
Brynn Brown
ah Have y'all tried, or anyone bicarbed in this podcast, Alex?
00:43:29
Alex
I have not known.
00:43:30
Brynn Brown
Okay. Hopefully you have, if you try it, you have a better first experience than I do.
00:43:34
Alex
the
00:43:37
Natalie Tyner
Yeah, I have not done that. I struggle a bit with like all these additions to things and trying them. I'm kind of like, I'm not against science at all.
00:43:54
Natalie Tyner
Obviously not against science in any way, but like I'm not against trying the new things I should say, but I also am like, if there's things that work already, I don't know. It gets a little complicated. It gets scary for people. I think sometimes it's a little too much personally.
00:44:14
Alex
Yeah, I feel like it's a balance.
00:44:15
Brynn Brown
Yes.
00:44:16
Alex
Running is about consistency over time and competing, but also, I guess, when you're really like on the forefront and trying to squeeze out like every single second, of course, like that technology and science is super useful.
00:44:29
Alex
But I just think it's important to not let it take away from like what the sport is all about.
00:44:34
Natalie Tyner
Exactly.
00:44:35
Brynn Brown
Agreed.
00:44:35
Natalie Tyner
That's a very good way of putting that. Yeah. Okay. So we have one last thing for you. it It's basically just going to be like as rapid fire as we can.
00:44:48
Natalie Tyner
Um, I put a poll up on my story and so we have a few questions from some of our listeners that they would love for you to answer.
00:44:48
Brynn Brown
Okay.
00:44:55
Natalie Tyner
So first one should be it's okay. It's either going to be the hardest one or the easiest one. Okay. What is your favorite song to listen to before you run?
00:45:05
Brynn Brown
Oh gosh. If I saw my mind going blank right now, I would have had like a surefire answer.
00:45:10
Alex
yeah
00:45:11
Brynn Brown
um Before a race. Let's see, my gosh, I'm i'm literally like gonna pull up my Spotify right now.
00:45:21
Natalie Tyner
Go for it.
00:45:22
Brynn Brown
ah Sorry. um So Alex and Natalie know this, but I have a fun, unique music taste. However, I will say more people listen to country music on the team now, so I feel less alone.
00:45:34
Natalie Tyner
That's true, that's true.
00:45:35
Alex
Good, good.
00:45:35
Brynn Brown
Okay, um okay I'm going right now. Okay, I have it. So this is a song that no one's going to know, and that's okay. and um So there's this country artist who sang like in Texas, early 2000s.
00:45:48
Brynn Brown
And it's one of those artists that like your mom and dad listened to. And as a kid, like I listened to it in the truck, of my like back in my dad's truck, and they'd be like, Oh, change this sucks.
00:45:52
Natalie Tyner
good
00:45:58
Brynn Brown
um But no, I love it. um Look at me fly by Stoney LaRue. The lyrics are good. I wouldn't say it's like pump up song, but the lyrics just get me really fired up. I think it's good.
00:46:09
Natalie Tyner
Okay, I love it.
00:46:10
Brynn Brown
Yeah.
00:46:10
Natalie Tyner
I ah like i love the unique. music chase though, so it's good.
00:46:13
Brynn Brown
Six, x six.
00:46:16
Natalie Tyner
Okay, question number two, what advice do you have for runners who are going through long periods of no PRs?
Advice for Runners
00:46:25
Brynn Brown
Ooh, I love this because it kind of, what we were talking about earlier earlier, my junior year when I was just hurt, and there was really no guarantees coming back.
00:46:30
Natalie Tyner
Mm-hmm.
00:46:33
Brynn Brown
um And I think that was the beauty of it was I really just started to embrace that mindset of making it fun again.
00:46:40
Natalie Tyner
Mm-hmm.
00:46:41
Brynn Brown
um Ask yourself, why are you running? If you're just running for the PRs, like sure, that is an awesome part of it. But maybe like come up with a different why and really just run from a place of trying something internal rather than external, which would be a PR, for example.
00:46:55
Brynn Brown
So I think do some self-reflection and look at your why.
00:46:59
Natalie Tyner
I love that. I'm always asking people to look at their why. Okay.
00:47:03
Brynn Brown
Yes.
00:47:04
Natalie Tyner
So we actually had two people ask a very similar question. So first person asked, how was the transition from high school to college running?
00:47:08
Brynn Brown
Ooh.
00:47:12
Natalie Tyner
And just to note, one person did specifically want to know the difference between your high school, which was Guyer or something like that, right? And UNC.
00:47:23
Brynn Brown
Guy or UNC? Well, I mean, I can list lots and lots of differences, but if I have to pick one, I would just say like I was pretty much a lone wolf in high school. um Coming into college, you know, you're surrounded by amazing teammates and I think that's just such a positive but it was something that was super unfamiliar to me and learning how to function best in that environment to ultimately get the best out of each other was definitely a transition for me and it was hard. um More so just like
00:47:56
Brynn Brown
reflecting on like how I was impacting others to coming in with that kind of like, er, lone wolf, like do it by myself mindset. Like, so I would say that part. But then once you kind of get over that learning curve, it's amazing. And you have so much fun. So, and obviously, Texas, North Carolina, I would say are quite different. um So there's a lot of differences for sure.
00:48:21
Alex
Love that. um We love your Texas spice coming to UNC. I think I really appreciate that. I also was thinking about you the other day because I had to wear like a southern chic outfit to this event.
00:48:35
Alex
And I was like, I need Brynn's cowboy boot. It's like, oh, where is she?
00:48:40
Brynn Brown
Oh my gosh, I just bought these baby blue takobas. I don't know if y'all know what takobas are.
00:48:47
Natalie Tyner
Mm-hmm.
00:48:47
Brynn Brown
And I broke the bank, but yes, and I can't wait to wear them.
00:48:47
Alex
Is that a boot?
00:48:51
Alex
Oh my god, Rammy's?
00:48:51
Brynn Brown
But if you... Yeah, wait, I might break them off for Rammies.
00:48:55
Natalie Tyner
That would be so awesome.
00:48:55
Alex
You should.
00:48:56
Brynn Brown
This is my husband.
00:48:57
Natalie Tyner
That'd be so elite, you have to do that.
00:49:00
Brynn Brown
Yes, yeah, and might I might break them out.
00:49:00
Alex
Yeah. and
00:49:02
Brynn Brown
But okay, yes, okay, not long ago, Jess told me that I some parts of know she goes bread, some parts of you are Texas, but some parts of you just aren't. and i'm sorry awesome here So yeah,
00:49:15
Alex
Court of the Day from Jess Rider in it.
00:49:18
Brynn Brown
I was like, I want to break this down. But it was funny. It made me laugh.
00:49:21
Natalie Tyner
Well, your Texas is like different than what I think like Page Host at Texas, you know?
00:49:28
Brynn Brown
Yes, I feel like we have different Texas experiences.
00:49:29
Alex
are
00:49:30
Natalie Tyner
That's just like the first Texas person that came to mind. But like, yeah, that's there's there's Texas is huge.
00:49:34
Brynn Brown
Well, it's very big, very big, that's for sure. I go to Paige's hometown for vacation sometimes though, so I love New Braunfels.
00:49:44
Alex
Oh, the country.
00:49:47
Brynn Brown
Yeah, I love going to the float the river, it's very fun.
00:49:47
Natalie Tyner
That's awesome.
00:49:50
Alex
Oh, I still need to go to my first Bucky's.
00:49:51
Natalie Tyner
Oh, same, same.
00:49:54
Brynn Brown
Oh!
00:49:55
Alex
Yet to happen.
00:49:56
Brynn Brown
I think they're building one um and close to UNC from what I've heard.
00:50:00
Natalie Tyner
They are, they're building on like 20, 30 minutes from UNC.
00:50:01
Brynn Brown
Yeah.
00:50:01
Alex
Oh.
00:50:04
Brynn Brown
Yeah, so I'll be driving there quite regularly, probably.
00:50:04
Alex
Oh my God.
00:50:08
Brynn Brown
I had one five minutes away from my house growing up, so it's spoiled.
00:50:10
Natalie Tyner
Oh my gosh.
00:50:12
Alex
Ah, so luxury.
00:50:14
Brynn Brown
It's a luxury.
00:50:15
Natalie Tyner
That's, that's awesome. I guess I'll be passing it every time I come and visit, so I'll have to head it up.
00:50:18
Alex
Hello, Bryn.
00:50:21
Alex
There you go. Quick pit stop.
00:50:23
Brynn Brown
Yep.
00:50:23
Alex
We'll go to teacher. Bryn, thank you so much for being here.
00:50:25
Brynn Brown
Yeah. who
00:50:28
Alex
I know obviously you're very busy right now and track season is well underway, so we really appreciate you taking the time. And it was just so lovely to hear your voice. um I miss you.
00:50:40
Natalie Tyner
Yes, thank you so much.
00:50:40
Brynn Brown
Oh, I see guys too.
00:50:43
Natalie Tyner
We miss you and we, I'm so excited to just like follow on with this track season because obviously I'm excited for you and I'm excited for everybody else and just like the progress that UNC is making.
00:50:53
Natalie Tyner
So have fun, be fierce as Coach Milt will tell you.
00:50:58
Alex
Mm-hmm.
00:51:01
Natalie Tyner
ah Yeah. Thank you for being on here.
00:51:02
Brynn Brown
Oh, thank you all for having me. This was such a good conversation. And I love what you guys are doing with this.
00:51:06
Natalie Tyner
Yeah, it was amazing.
00:51:08
Brynn Brown
And Natalie, I love your business because I think a lot of people let transition. It's just so hard and there's little resources to go to.
00:51:15
Natalie Tyner
Mm hmm.
00:51:17
Brynn Brown
So I really love what you're doing.
00:51:19
Natalie Tyner
Thank you. I love it.
00:51:21
Alex
We love you, Bryn. And that is all we have for you guys today. But in two more weeks, we have our seventh episode coming out, which is really exciting. So be sure to tune into that. And of course, follow along on Instagram at NatSportPrep. And we'll see you next time.
00:51:40
Natalie Tyner
Bye, guys.