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166- Cultural Change
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Sam, Kieran and Tom discuss the moving parts going on at United and how the shift in squad mentality will impact the upcoming season!
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Introduction and Co-hosts
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Welcome back to the Daily GSPN Manchester United said podcast. I'm your host for today's episode, Sam Brady. And once again, I'm joined by the dynamic duo of Kieran and Tom.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, boys, let's jump straight into
Summer Transfers and Cultural Changes
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Tom Cairns
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Global Sports Podcast Network
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Global Sports Podcast Network
If you missed our episode yesterday, we talked a lot about the incomings Manchester United this summer with, of course, Brian Mbwemo, Mateusz Cunha and Benjamin Sesko.
00:00:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, boys, um Jason Wilcox, Omar Barad and Ruman Amaran this summer of' talked a lot about this sort of cultural change. And I sort of want to touch on the sort of outgoings or or potential outgoings in this first part of the episode.
Rashford to Barcelona? A Debate
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Kieran, we'll start with the more sort of simplistic one in terms of Marcus Rashford. What do you sort of make of how we sort of dealt with with the Marcus Rashford situation? And To be honest, Barcelona, it's a perfect move for him, don't you think?
00:01:14
Kieran McGinley
it' If anything, it's an upgrade, isn't it? I don't understand how he's got an upgrade of a move. Anyway, the the point is, it's pretty it's been pretty clear for a while now that Amarim doesn't really want him in the squad, doesn't want him in the side. I know Tom's mentioned before, when you get to him, he doesn't want him in the side anymore.
00:01:33
Kieran McGinley
I've got a soft spot for Rashford. I don't particularly want him in the side anymore because I think we can be a better unit without him. he hasn't been performing. And whilst it's hard to let go of talents that have come through the academy and you've seen them literally Micah Richards-esque burst onto the scene.
00:01:50
Kieran McGinley
Every debut he was scoring a goal and he managed to get, you know, hundreds of appearances for Manchester United. But, I don't know what it is. He's 27. He should be statistically in his prime, if you believe all the ah the sports scientists and whatnot.
00:02:05
Kieran McGinley
He should be in his prime. And yet now yeah he's on loan to Barcelona. He started on off on the right foot in pre-season, scoring a couple of goals, missing an open goal. But I think Barca are about four or five up by that point anyway, so it didn't really matter. But...
00:02:20
Kieran McGinley
I think it's the right move. I think for Marcus Rashford, this is golden opportunity to to make an impact at one of the elite clubs in world football, which doesn't make sense when you look at the last 18 months.
00:02:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, upgrade is probably about right, to be honest. Obviously, he was at Aston Villa last season on loan and then came back to us. And yeah, I think, to be honest, he'll thrive at Barcelona. I mean, yeah, they're just, I mean, yeah, they're in a great, great spot at the minute, Barcelona. And I think it was like...
00:02:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like I think we spoke off yesterday about there are a lot of players at the minute where in the past recent seasons where it's about the right time for them to move on. And I think we just got to to that point with Marcus Rashford. Obviously, it's sad because he's always going to be sort of our boy. We we watched him.
00:03:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
come through the academy and become such an unbelievable player. um But I think it is about right that that he he moves on now and flourishes, with which I believe he e will at Barcelona.
Garnacho's Potential Loan to Chelsea
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, Tom, on to sort of the more difficult situation in Garnaccio. Almorin's talked about characters is now really important and and it's sort of now going to be a rule going forward. isn Is Garnaccio sort of evidence of ah this rule sort of being implemented?
00:03:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
sort of There's rumours of him going out on loan now to Chelsea and and and it is clear that he will and move on this summer. So yes, he's just evidence of this this change in mentality really.
00:03:55
Tom Cairns
Well, I don't even know if he even cares about his football anymore because it feels like there's other endeavours that he seems to be most interested in. Like, he got his new tattoo the other day. Was he... and I don't know if this is true. Was he vaping as well?
00:04:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah. yeah
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Tom Cairns
Yeah. I don't know where this guy is at. It feels to me like he's on a different planet to the one that he was when he was in his prime at Manchester United. God actually doesn't know where his ambitions are at.
00:04:23
Tom Cairns
And I don't know... where his plans are at. I don't know if he's going to Chelsea. I certainly don't see him being a Manchester United player for any longer. so where is he next where is he next going?
00:04:35
Tom Cairns
Is he going back to Spain? Because he was over at Atletico Madrid during his junior career, wasn't he? Before he switched to Old Trafford. and I would probably say might even go to Atletico Madrid.
00:04:48
Tom Cairns
Because, you know, ko could they be in need of a player like him? Was... was it Xavi Simon, who I think has been linked with a move to Chelsea. Could that be an opening for Garnaccio to go the the opposite, well, not the opposite direction, but in in the direction going to Atletico Madrid?
00:05:06
Tom Cairns
I don't know who else could really go for Garnaccio because he's very, very young. He's got clearly a big ego. And are a side like Atletico Madrid willing to invest in an ego like him?
00:05:19
Tom Cairns
I don't think they should, but we've seen it from Rashford going to Barcelona online. It wouldn't surprise me if a club like Atletico Madrid went the same way with Garnet Show.
00:05:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, and and Tom, is this sort of and one of the sort of saddest um sort of player, outgoings, player sort of disagreements with with how we've had in recent years? Because, I mean, Garnaccio, he scored in an FA Cup youth final, scored in the FA Cup final.
00:05:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
So where's this sort sort of come from? And and and it's quite sad, really, don't you think?
Manager Almorin's Approach to Attitudes
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Tom Cairns
I think his off-field activities have influenced his mindset. I mean, I don't know how often he's been going out in nightclubs. He's probably been up to a fair few, I'd imagine.
00:06:05
Tom Cairns
He's probably met up with a number of people to say, look, you know, you could be good at doing this whilst you're playing for Manchester United. I don't know whether some of the criticism he's been getting from fans...
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:06:17
Tom Cairns
ah before he's been playing matches has put him off. There was an incident, I think it was before we played Leicester or Old Trafford, where a fan confronted Garnaccio outside the stadium.
00:06:32
Tom Cairns
And the way he was criticising him was ah was rather over the top. you know It was almost like he was trying to coach him when it's never his job to coach him. The man that's coaching him. The thing at the time was Ruud van Iseroy when he was ah interim manager before Ruben Amrum had arrived.
00:06:47
Tom Cairns
I think that may have played a part in Garnaccio's mindset. He should have brushed it off or at least speak to someone about it and just coach him to shrug off these things. And I don't think he's brushed off these things very, very well, in my opinion. And he's allowed it to really get to his skin.
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Tom Cairns
Um,
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Tom Cairns
He's certainly not going Manchester United player any longer. I can possibly see him going to Chelsea, but how many players do Chelsea need? And I think when you look at that Chelsea team right now that's going places, do they really need Garnaccio there?
00:07:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think it's a tough one with with Rashford and Garnaccio, and gone arch john I think it's a similar thing where, from out of nowhere, this this mentality and this sort of, I don't want to call it arrogance, but it's just, obviously we don't know what what goes ah on from a day-to-day basis, but it's sort of come out of nowhere and And Almorin's not the first manager to sort of have disagreements with both both players.
00:07:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
But think Almorin's the first manager to sort of and sort of confront it and and say and and and sort of let them go if they want to go. I think other managers tried to hang on and tried to re really sort of figure out the problem. Whereas Almorin, in my opinion, is just not even...
00:08:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
not even tried to bother trying to try to fix the solution. But in some ways, that's a good thing. He said, you know what, if you if you don't want to play for us, I'm not going to step in your way. And I think comments, Kieran, coming to you from from Luke Shaw, when he says there's now no longer any sh stragglers in the group, do you think he is alluding to to sort of the likes of Garnaccio and the Rashfords and and even the Antoneys, really? Yeah.
00:08:37
Kieran McGinley
I mean, Luke Shaw himself is a bit of an enigma, isn't he?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean,
00:08:40
Kieran McGinley
So i't I never really know what what to sort of make. But um yeah, it's a weird one. As you've said, that the culture of Manchester United has been for years to nurture young talent. And even if they have an ego, say, you know, we use the age-old example of Cristiano Ronaldo, you had David Beckham as well, who were young players and tipped for the absolute top echelons of world football.
00:09:06
Kieran McGinley
but did have an ego that needed to be tamed. And, you know, was it successful for Sir Axel Ferguson both with Beckham and Ronaldo? Some would say yes, some would say no. Both of them eventually went to Real Madrid.
00:09:18
Kieran McGinley
But the point was that, you know, Manchester United has never been a stranger to taking on players that might have an ego before the talent, but able to develop them as footballers and then as people as well.
00:09:32
Kieran McGinley
in that way. But I feel like Garnaccio is one of those players and he's he's an exciting player as well.
Comparing Young Players to Legends
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Kieran McGinley
You know, he's still very, very young. He's still got his whole career ahead of him. I would love to see Garnaccio turn into, you know, a really good player. i think he still can.
00:09:47
Kieran McGinley
But, you know, with youth normally comes the ego. Sometimes you think you are better than what you are right now. And as as a youngster, it's so much easier to get into your own head as well when things aren't going so well. It's great when things are going well.
00:10:02
Kieran McGinley
It's great when you're scoring and you say the FA Cup use or the FA Youth Final, or the FA Cup Final as well. Great when things are going well. But how's the resilience when things aren't going well? And I think that's the difference that you know players like Garnaccio are struggling with right now is that when the bad times are bad, they've been going on for a long time. And that that does not help a youngster in the slightest.
00:10:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, and the thing is, you said David Beckham and Cristiano Ronaldo. The difference is they backed it up and that's what fans don't mind. OK, you can have an ego and you can have an an arrogance about you and, yeah, you may have disagreements with the manager, but as soon as you step onto the pitch, that that all all changes and you back it up on the pitch.
00:10:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think with Garnaccio and Rashford, watch what's frustrated fans so much is they've clearly had disagreements and and that attitude and and they've clearly had attitude problems, but then that carries over onto the pitch and they have so many poor games where they don't even look bothered. And as you as you said, when the thing when the things are going bad, they're going really bad, especially for those two players.
00:11:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
And the most frustrating thing, I think, is we know they have ability. It's like it's like a similar case with Jadon Sancho, I guess. and And even Chelsea fans are feeling that now where you know the the boy has ability.
00:11:19
Tom Cairns
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00:11:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, he scored in the in the Conference League final and he shows glimpses of it. But then in some games, you just see that there's there's an attitude problem there and... and There's a real problem in these players, in the Rashfords, the Garnachos, the Jadon Sanchos, where they can't flick that switch. They can't shift that mentality. And and it is a real problem. And look, I think Rashford will switch it around at Barcelona because that's just what Barcelona do. They they switch players' mentality. Look at Luis Suarez. He went from being...
00:11:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
a bit of a rebel, a bit of a troublemaker on the pitch at Liverpool and went to Barcelona, no no issues at all. And I also think Hansi Flick will won't won't tolerate that either. If you're not if you're not up for it at Barcelona, you're sitting on the bench. It's as simple as that, where I feel like Garnaccio and Rashford in the past couple of years got away with these attitude problems because we had no one else so they felt like oh I can have games off and I'm still going to play next week so yeah I think I think now that Luke Shaw has alluded to that with with the no stragglers comment and and obviously the senior figures at the club have said that the culture uh has changed and and is changing and
00:12:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Tom, is is the new building at Carrington, we've seen it be refurbished? Is is this sort of perfect timing now coming into the new season, the cultural change?
Upcoming Fixtures Predictions
00:12:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Is that sort of just sort of building got on the momentum?
00:12:55
Tom Cairns
I just wish we could translate the qualities of it onto the pitch. That would be my only thing. But the fact that it's only been built now is kind of worrying because I don't feel like we are ready for the season that's coming up. I think the first few weeks is going to be more about exploring who can play where and what is the best line-up we can go with.
00:13:15
Tom Cairns
We've got Arsenal, Fulham and Burnley in our opening three games before the international break and then we resume with A trip to City. And then think it's at home to Chelsea for the next two games.
00:13:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
ye Yeah, well, Tom alluded to his sort of predictions and in the first five.
00:13:28
Tom Cairns
We've got tricky five games coming up. And I expect us to not get a lot out of those five games because I think it's going to take some time before our season gets underway properly.
00:13:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Kieran, we'll get yours ah quickly just after this break. We'll be right back.
00:14:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Welcome back to part two of the Daily GSPN Manchester United podcast. and We talked about sort of the the cultural change coming into the new season and Tom alluded to those first five fixtures with Arsenal first at Old Trafford.
00:14:55
Tom Cairns
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Kieran, I'll come to you first. That Arsenal game, I don't think we could have got ah tougher fixture if we asked for it. um Your expectations going into this one, obviously if you if you cash your minds back, I think maybe two seasons ago now, we we actually beat Arsenal, I believe 3-1 on that day at Old Trafford.
00:15:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's a new look Arsenal team, it's a new look Manchester United team, so what are you expecting come Sunday afternoon?
00:15:27
Kieran McGinley
A couple of these from Jocares, reckon. yeah i did I don't know what to make of it. you know Brand new season. you know
00:15:35
Tom Cairns
Thank you.
00:15:37
Kieran McGinley
the The whole mantra has been and the whole reason for Amarim coming in is prioritising this summer, is prioritising an entire summer. and And pundits alike have said, just give Amarim time.
00:15:51
Kieran McGinley
Give him, you know, and in in every international break, it was this the perfect time to work on the new system. And the system ended up being 15. fifteen So goodness knows what would have happened if we yeah held firm.
00:16:02
Kieran McGinley
But... Yeah, i I have no idea how this is going to go. Arsenal look like they've they finally solved their striker problem. If they can keep Jokic fit, they're going to be a terrifying prospect this season. um I think they have a real chance this season of breaking that, you know, always the bridesmaid, never the bride kind of, you know, form they've been in recently, their last three years second ah in in the league.
00:16:28
Kieran McGinley
So, They're going to be a very dangerous side and they've made some great signings. Djokovic being one of them. I just can't get past that. I really can't. I think he's the missing piece in the puzzle of what is a good Arsenal side.
00:16:41
Kieran McGinley
And if they can keep all of their star players fit, they're going to be dangerous. so you know Old Trafford awaits. I could wait a couple of weeks. If we could push that fixture somehow back into sort of the mid part of the season, maybe Boxing Day, that'd be great.
00:16:58
Kieran McGinley
But then again, I don't really want my Christmas ruined again. So I don't know, is my answer Sam?
00:17:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, i think that pretty much sums up the the mindset of a lot of United fans right now in terms of we literally have no idea what to expect because I think a lot ah a lot of the big games last season we actually did turn up. I think it was the games where we... yeah were expected to win is where we struggled. And I said, Tom, that we couldn't have asked for a much harder first fixture. I mean, the first five are pretty damn hard as well, as as you alluded to in in part one with Arsenal, Fulham, Burnley, City, Chelsea.
00:17:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
And as I just said, it's sort of the the big games where... where we sort of turned up. So what how how important is it to sort of get off to to a really good start? And is it sort of almost a good thing that we're getting the the important big games out the way first?
00:17:58
Tom Cairns
we've got these signings that have to gel in first to the team. Is Cesc going to hit the ground running? Is Cooney going to hit the ground running? Is Mbema going to hit the ground running? I would probably say it's going up being two of those players starting with the other being on the bench.
00:18:14
Tom Cairns
It's going be a really, really tough start, I think. I stand by the fact that I don't think this squad is ready because we don't have a recognised central partnership in midfield.
00:18:26
Tom Cairns
Uh, we I don't know who will be the best attacking midfielders between Bruno and Bermot and Cunha. And we're unsure who will be in between the sticks. Now, Unan is injured at the moment.
00:18:40
Tom Cairns
And it's a bit of a decisive one between Bayon Deer and Tom Heaton. And I would prefer to have Tom Heaton in goal than Bayon Deer. But it will probably Bayon Deer in goal for Sunday's game.
00:18:54
Tom Cairns
But... It is what it is, but we've had two starts to the season of which we recovered from. i mean, if you remember, I think that season where we had no European football, I think it took us until the fourth game ah of the Premier League season to get our first win because we lost the first one against Swansea and then drew in the next two matches against Sunderland and Burnley.
00:19:23
Tom Cairns
And then we won our first one against Queen's Park Rangers at home. Managed is to remember that very well, actually, considering all those games.
00:19:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:19:30
Kieran McGinley
and
00:19:32
Tom Cairns
ah But if we can get off to the best of sorts, great. But if we don't, the pressure's going to mount on Ameren. And all of the the major outlets, like the likes of Sky and BBC and all that, are going to just keep keep bringing this win rate or loss rate as Manchester United manager of Ameren. And it's just...
00:19:51
Tom Cairns
The writing could end up being on the wall and on the wall for him if we don't get off to the best of starts. And I want Ameren to succeed. Even if we get off to the worst of starts, I would still keep Ameren in there.
00:20:04
Tom Cairns
People have to be patient
Does Almorin Need a 'Plan B'?
00:20:05
Tom Cairns
with this. They can't just expect a new manager bounce because it doesn't work like that.
00:20:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, and and and sorry, Kieran, I was going to come on to to you next about um what happens if it doesn't go ah what we hope the way we hope it goes. But Tom, did I hear that right? You'd you'd rather Tom Heaton in goal than Bayern Deer. Explain yourself.
00:20:30
Tom Cairns
Well, one is the more experienced goalkeeper. And I just probably give him a chance over Bayern Deer because Bayern Deer, think overall, wasn't impressive last season. Can it really get any worse than putting Tom Heaton in goal?
00:20:45
Kieran McGinley
But Tom Heaton had that howler in the, what was it? Was it um Hong Kong in preseason where the shot went through him? So even then, um it's a little bit worrying either side.
00:20:56
Kieran McGinley
So have sight with Tom there.
00:20:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Tom, you're forgetting Bayern Dears' heroics in the FA Cup, my man, against our Arsenal. Can't let you shoot out.
00:21:02
Tom Cairns
Yes, yes, I do.
00:21:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Come on.
00:21:05
Kieran McGinley
Whatever he's going to say, I reckon he's going to be right.
00:21:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But yeah, no, the I mean, goalkeeper issue aside, we've definitely got an issue there. Going back to sort of Almorin and his plan going into this season, what is the plan B, Kieran? Because we all hope it goes really well and and we see sort of these differences on on the pitch with these new sign-ins.
00:21:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
What about if it doesn't? He says the good days are all coming. He didn't give us a timeline. So it it might not be this season.
00:21:37
Kieran McGinley
Thank you.
00:21:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
So what happens if we are December, January time and we're still sort of bottom half of the ah of the table? What then?
00:21:48
Kieran McGinley
I don't think there is a plan B. I think this is it. It has to work.
00:21:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:21:53
Kieran McGinley
We've spent over £200 million in the market now. It has to work. it's There is no plan B. There can't be a plan B.
00:22:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:22:02
Kieran McGinley
um As we said before, you know if we manage to finish top half, I think we'd be happy with that. I think we've got um some of some of our followers on social media as well of saying, no, we should we shouldn't settle for top half. Let's go for top four. you know It's possible with the signings we've made. It's it's it's It is easy to get swept up in, know, we've brought in some good signings.
00:22:23
Kieran McGinley
World class? No. But good signings that could help us build on a terrible, terrible tea season. Last season happened? No, it's it's in the bin now. i I just worry.
00:22:38
Kieran McGinley
that there is no plan B because there can't be. you know You can't get rid of Amorim in October, November. Now you've committed another 200 million. it It would be exactly the same as what happened last season and when Ten Hag was able to spend money to bring in new players, fresh fresh blood into the side, and then got rid of him by October, November. but It didn't make sense.
00:22:59
Kieran McGinley
It wasted all that money bringing in new signings that Ten Hag specifically wanted, or at least had a say in you know how hit they would work in the system. to then get rid of him, have Amram come in with those particular signings, not really then have a January window, and then just hope for the best until the summer.
00:23:18
Kieran McGinley
We cannot do that again. It's not viable and it cannot work. If we keep doing that, this club will get relegated.
00:23:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, Armourin's safe, and in your opinion, no matter what happens?
00:23:31
Kieran McGinley
i think so. ah think so. ah and it's It's easy to say it now. Let's see what happens in three or four months. But I think as long as he's yeah within the top half of the table, I think he's more than safe.
00:23:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I agree with with you, to be honest. ah I feel like we saw sort of...
Transfer Strategy and Financials
00:23:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
we we can't fall into the Ten Hag trap again where we just spend all this money and and, as you said, give him a couple of months and then get rid of him because it's just a reoccurring cycle. when When do we actually...
00:24:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
sort of commit to a manager and and and give him time, especially with what Almorin's inherited is is probably the worst. Well, statistically, it is the worst it's ever been.
00:24:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
So to give him only sort of and like one season or one and a half season and sack him would be ridiculous, to be honest. i I don't think we're in any danger of that.
00:24:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
But Tom, what is the difference this time? Because Kieran just said then, we've spent 200 million, this has to work. But we've sort of said those same words with with other managers, with Ten Hag, with Mourinho, where we've spent that amount of money and we've gone into a season saying, right, that this is it, this this is going to work. So what's the difference this time? And and to be honest,
00:24:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
from it from and If I take my United hat off for one second, this is probably a lot of questions, sort of rival fans are questioning as well. What is the difference this time?
00:25:06
Tom Cairns
The difference a's is that this is the first proper window would class for Amarim for him to spend. Whereas with Ten Hag he had two years. He had four transfer windows before, it might have been before he got the boot.
00:25:25
Tom Cairns
And the fact he kept playing Anthony, he was clearly not fit for purpose for Manchester United. The fact kept playing him was what got him the sack. With Amarim,
00:25:38
Tom Cairns
He's clearly doing some of the right things right now. We're sorting out this situation with Rashford, Garnett, Shea, and all that. But that's obviously been sorted out behind closed doors at the moment. We know the situation with Rashford for now, at least.
00:25:50
Tom Cairns
It's who else is going to be heading for the door. That would be my concern.
00:25:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, that that's that's always a concern. And I think out of the sort of five at the the back end of last season, obviously only one has officially departed in in Marcus Rashford at the minute. So we expect...
00:26:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
We expect Garnaccio links, obviously, to Chelsea. Molassi is probably near-done deal as well. It's really just Sancho and and Anthony that we haven't really heard any rumours of as of yet. I mean, and to be honest, I expected Betis would do all they can to try and keep Anthony.
00:26:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I haven't really heard anything coming out of then them just yet.
00:26:35
Kieran McGinley
ah
00:26:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
In terms of...
00:26:36
Kieran McGinley
but the
00:26:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Go on, Kieran's.
00:26:38
Kieran McGinley
I was going to say, Sam, the reason probably is the ah wages.
00:26:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:42
Kieran McGinley
ah No club is going to approach Sancho or Anthony when the wages they're on.
00:26:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
in
00:26:46
Kieran McGinley
The only reason that Sancho, I should say Sancho moved to Chelsea was because they were able to at least pay his wages. With Betis, it was a you know a broker deal, if you like, a partial wage, maybe even no wage. i don't I don't really know. But there would have been some agreement to say we won't pay all his wages.
00:27:02
Kieran McGinley
And this would be the same with Rashford going to Barcelona because Barcelona know that we want Rashford out or we want him out at least on loan for now because, again, we can't move him on because of the wages he's on. So, you know, the club in its past has really shot itself in the foot in trying to move this talent on because no one in their right mind right now would even come close to paying those wages.
00:27:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, and and I think it comes back also to ah to a player mentality as well. I mean, Jadon Sancho, look, he won the Conference League with Chelsea. He could have stayed and won the Club World Cup, but instead he wasn't willing to take a wage cut and now he's back at you know and and a United club that that won't play him.
00:27:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. It's probably a similar thing with Anthony where, again, got to the final of the Conference League, was banging them in for Betis, but instead of taking a wage cut, he comes back. So in in my mind, and as I said, we don't know the the ins and outs, but that screams of of a player's mentality where they'd rather just sit in the reserves getting paid than going out and and playing football. Yes, like on less money, but playing football. And that's where I sort of...
00:28:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Look, Rashford, we've we've talked about his mentality, but he clearly does still want to play football. He went out on loan to Villa last season. He's now gone out on loan to Barcelona. So whatever his my mentality is in terms of Manchester United, his man mentality in just playing football in general, I don't think has changed.
Manchester United's Player Appeal
00:28:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think he loves playing football, but I think he fell out of love playing football for Manchester United by the end of it.
00:28:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
um So, yeah, I mean, i mean we've we've talked about the the cultural change. I think one sort of mentality and and attitude that I think even within rival fans and now we sort of get a glimpse with it within...
00:29:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
players mentality and how they see Manchester United is sort of we're always a club that no matter how bad we've been, we're still in contention to to win trophies. And I think Benjamin Sesko choosing...
00:29:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah United over Newcastle United showed that even players think that they have more of a chance now winning trophies at Manchester United than than the likes of Newcastle, for example. So is that a sort of silver lining to to such a horrible season, Kieran, we had last season, where we still we're still at the the top of the food chain, if you like, in terms of pulling power when signing players?
00:29:49
Kieran McGinley
Are we? i mean, Guilherme has went to to Arsenal. you know If we're linked with Donnarumma, I see him going more to Chelsea than to Manchester United.
00:30:00
Kieran McGinley
I think there is pulling power. I don't think there is as there's as much as it was 10 years ago. you know um Just as the way of as we've been performing. and What doesn't help is no Europe. so you know There will be players out there who will not come to Manchester United now because when there is no continental competition. So,
00:30:18
Kieran McGinley
It's very easy to go spiralling into this downward spiral. level Well, first, there's no Europe, then so the players don't come. And because the players don't come, you go further down the league. And because you're further down the league, players still won't want to come.
00:30:30
Kieran McGinley
You just get into that vicious cycle. So the fact that we do have Sesco is a good sign, you know, And Bermot coming in, Kuhn, you're coming in there, coming in from, well, you would say, you would have said in the past from clubs lower down the order. Actually, one of them is much higher up the order.
00:30:45
Kieran McGinley
One's roundabout the same. But hopefully they'll they'll bring in a little bit of quality back into the side and and hopefully push us back up the table.
00:30:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Then I'll put the question but back to you then, Kieran. Then what's it down to? We had our worst season in in the club's history. We have no Champions League football, whereas in comparison to Newcastle, they won their first trophy in about 70 years, I think. They're in Champions League and yet we managed to sign Benjamin Sesko. So what is it down to?
00:31:18
Kieran McGinley
um I think it's going to be consistency. um I think something that Newcastle have, you know, they've entered a 70 year drought of of a trophy and good for them because it was great to see them ah win the trophy, even from ah Manchester United point of view. It nice for someone else to win the League Cup if it wasn't going to be us.
00:31:40
Kieran McGinley
And that's got them Europe. But I think that what they've shown is that once they get that Europe, you know when they were in the Champions League the first time for years, they then dropped off league-wise and you know they then got without Europe.
00:31:55
Kieran McGinley
So I think the inconsistency of whether in Europe they're out, they're going to shake it all about, kind of has a... i a foot in whether a player will want to go there or not. Now, as to why so many players have rejected Newcastle, that could probably be ah investigative yeah you know investigative episode on on its own.
00:32:15
Kieran McGinley
I can't explain why so many players are outright rejecting Newcastle, but I have a feeling one... crumb of it maybe because of the inconsistent you know finishing results. There's a sense of progress and then a step back for Newcastle. This seems like progress. If they can build on this success this season, then you'll have players you know perk their ears up and and look to a Newcastle project. But where it's so inconsistent, one step forward, another step back and so on and so forth,
00:32:43
Kieran McGinley
it It kind of is, you're stuck in that uncertainty and players don't like uncertainty. They like continental competition and they like it all the time.
00:32:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, i mean, the thing is, though, I always hear Newcastle fans bang on about this ah project, this project, but they're the only ones who believe in the project. I mean, this summer they've signed Anthony Alanga and Aaron Ramsdale. I mean, they're good players, but they're not sort of players who would take you to that next level.
00:33:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
And their best player wants to leave. so ah The thing is, when the Sesco and transfer debargo was going on, i i actually was very confident that he would choose United.
00:33:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because not only, i think money is a big factor. I think wig we're paying him more wages. But we are a bigger club and we have more potential. to two sort of win trophies. I mean, Newcastle have won their first trophy in 70 years, but when's their next trophy going to come? wherein that sort of We're in the worst season we've ever had and we still got to ah your Europa League final.
00:33:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
So that sort of says where the difference still is between the the two clubs. and And I still think, and I stand by this, United are probably still the biggest club in England. And we're,
00:34:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
and we're at the where we are right now. So I still feel like people are going to sign for us because we're Manchester United. and And yes, of course, if Man City potentially or Liverpool came in for Cesco, that'd be a bit different.
00:34:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
But when we're competing for the likes of against the likes of Newcastle, and to be honest, even if Spurs came into Cesco, I still feel like it'd choose us over Spurs.
00:34:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
So it is one of them where... but I still feel like we still have that that pulling power and and hopefully if we if we do sort of improve ah massively to to where we were last season, I feel like we can sort of get to where we want to be quicker than than the likes of Newcastle. So I don't really see that this whole confusion over why he chose us was over Newcastle, to be honest. but yeah as As we've talked about a lot this episode, it is that sort of cultural change. and
00:35:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Although some things never change, I believe, in terms of the the size of our club and and and the pulling power we have. But that that will do it for for this episode.
Podcast Wrap-up and Sponsor
00:35:21
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00:35:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Kieran, Tom, it's been amazing once again. I'm getting used to us three being on episodes now. It's quite quite fun debating all things incomings and outgoings.
00:36:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
But from us at GSPN Daily Manchester United podcast, it's goodbye.
00:36:18
Tom Cairns
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