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Ep 8 - Tucker Carlson - How Washington Got Broken And How To Fix It
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On this week's episode of the Sphere Podcast, Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry, Publisher of Sphere Media, interviews a very special guest: Tucker Carlson. We talk about the mood at the Trump Inauguration, but more broadly about why Washington is so badly broken, and what can be do to fix it.
And, of course, his favorite books.
We really enjoyed this conversation.
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Transcript
Introduction of Tucker Carlson
00:00:00
Speaker
All right, everyone. Welcome to the low production value sphere podcast, which is a shot from my terrorist hideout in the Sudan. ah I have here with me today a kid who I thought deserved a little bit of exposure. He doesn't have a platform like mine. um He's just starting out in broadcasting, so I thought I'd give him a leg up.
Tucker's Impressions of Trump's Inauguration
00:00:25
Speaker
How are you doing, Tucker Carlson? How is your English so good? It's unbelievable. You sound like you grew up next to me, but I know that you're in the heart of a foreign city, so I'm impressed. Great to see you, man.
00:00:38
Speaker
it's it It really is ah great to talk to you. So I've got a bunch of questions, but earlier this week, I was looking at the inauguration on C-SPAN and I see a mop of hair in the crowd. And and I literally just turned to my wife and said, oh, Tucker's there.
00:00:57
Speaker
ah So first question, so you were in DC, what's the vibe? like what What are you
Political Tension in D.C.
00:01:04
Speaker
sensing? like we We're a few days in, um what do you what do you think? Well, I've been thinking about it a lot because it's overpowering. so there there are two Well, there are many levels, but here are the two big, the obvious levels.
00:01:21
Speaker
Within ah you know the government, now in the control of Donald Trump, um you know there's just an incredible amounts of anxiety and jockeying ah because this is you know a form of revolution. um And there's just a lot at stake. And the United States is in a position that's changing really rapidly in the world. People sense that. They don't really know the details or the outlines, but they feel that America's place in the world is shifting really quickly. And that you know causes all kinds of second order effects. So there's a huge effort by entrenched interests in Washington, business interests nationally to get control over this before it hurts them.
Living in D.C. and Public Sentiment Changes
00:02:06
Speaker
And I see that at the sort of back end of you know people
00:02:10
Speaker
pressuring and lobbying each other, lying about each other, leaking secrets about each other, making up stories about each other, all of it playing out in the press. It's just an unbeliev it's just an unbelievable spectacle. It's just the Ottoman court at scale. So there's that. And then, um so that's distressing.
00:02:27
Speaker
Not distressing but as shocking maybe more shocking is the reaction in DC where you know, I spent my life I got there 40 years ago when my dad went to work for the government um You know when a complicated part of government and so I have grown up around it lived in Georgetown starting at the age of 15 So I think I know the city really well really well ultimately five years ago next month five years ago I had to leave because of Trump I was considered too close to Trump that became just yeah untenable. I mean, it was just not even worth living there ah So that's the context I have for DC.
Pro-Trump Sentiment in Washington
00:03:00
Speaker
This weekend, I walked all around the city, I saw a million people I know, of course, as I said, I'm from there. And I didn't hear one person attack Trump or even express concern about Trump. It was 100%. We love Trump. And we love you because you love Trump.
00:03:21
Speaker
you I'm never sitting like it. I could really get off the airplane. People grabbed me on the jet bridge in Washington, D.C., which is the world capital for hitting Trump because Trump is the most disruptive to government, of course. And yeah um I mean, they really hated him. They hated him far more than they ever hated, say Osama bin Laden.
00:03:39
Speaker
You know what I mean? No, I mean it. I mean, I never, I never went to one, I was in a war on terror. I never was at one dinner party where someone turned to me and said, no, I really hate Osama bin Laden. but Not one time. But that happening with Trump every time I went to dinner. This time, it was almost, it was almost hysteria, the love for Trump in Washington. Now, a lot of these people, you know, it came in for the inauguration, but it wasn't just that it was people who lived there. Who I know, my, my name, my former neighbors,
00:04:07
Speaker
I've never seen, and I'm not overstating. In fact, i was I was bothered by it. It was so shocking. Like, what is this exactly? Is this sincere? I don't know. I called my wife. I said, you wouldn't even, my and my wife, you know, was an early Trump adopter, was a fan of Trump's from the very beginning and is a very sweet non-political Christian person. But even she took a lot of crap for liking Trump and she didn't even believe me. I told her on the phone, everybody
Sincerity of Trump's Support
00:04:35
Speaker
loves Trump here. I walked down K Street and people are like honking their horns waving at me because they think I've met Trump before. it was I don't know what to make of it. I'm just telling you.
00:04:45
Speaker
That's crazy. ah That is fascinating. Yes. Well, so you touched on ah what what what I wanted to talk to you about, um which i which I think is very interesting. And it's very interesting for this podcast. yeah One of the in interests I wanted to make is that I've invited you on a podcast where at least half the people who are watching are going to hate you because it's a podcast for people in DC. But apparently, they love you now again. and ah but i and should i can ofing like i don't i mean you You never know it motivates people. It's hard to read people sometimes. yeah It's potentially a case of you know we welcome our new alien overlords and look forward to toiling in their underground sugarcaves. I don't know. like We are hardwired to accept the invading army as liberators because we
Growing Up in Elite Circles
00:05:33
Speaker
have no choice. I mean, this is a pretty well-equipped nice phenomenon. And it may just be that Trump's capture of the city is so complete, you know, that the siege ramp was successful. The walls have fallen. He controls the wells. Like what are you going to do item? I don't know. I really don't know.
00:05:50
Speaker
That no, but it it is interesting time. So I mean, anyway, so you and I met a long time ago and you and I have talked about this. I think one of the reasons, certainly one of the reasons why I find you such a likeable and relatable person is we sort of share this trait of having grown up.
00:06:12
Speaker
in the elite of our respective countries and being part of it and breathing it and going to the same schools and the same neighborhoods. And eventually at some point in our life, realizing, Oh, like these people are actually driving my country into the ditch. yeah And I find this phenomenon fascinating, but there's a French version of it. There's an American version of it.
Wealth, Corruption, and Society
00:06:37
Speaker
So.
00:06:39
Speaker
I guess my question is, what made you change your outlook? like was what I'm not even asking, like what's the moment? What radicalized you, Tucker Carlson? But you know what what was the process or the thing that made you realize, oh, like there's something rotten in Denmark?
00:07:02
Speaker
I mean, there are a million, you know it was an incremental process that kind of came to fruition in 2016 with Trump. I mean, I've been thinking about this since 2003. um since the winter of 2003 when I went to Iraq and saw the thing I'd advocated for were a disaster and that set off a chain reaction on my head like, how could this happen? Everyone I know you know was involved in this and you know family members and you know my whole world is implicated in this war and it's like it's not what I thought it was. So I'd been thinking about this for a while
00:07:35
Speaker
Trump accelerated that brought it to a head forced me out of the city into exile. Maybe, you know, I spent five years thinking about it really deeply. um But my conclusion is that it's really just wealth is the problem. I mean, this is just a pretty straightforward Christian story. You know, it corrupts being you know too much money corrupts you. And if you have a class with too much money for too long or a family with too much money for too long, it becomes corrupt.
00:08:01
Speaker
and contemptible and decadent in its attitudes and ultimately dishonest and indefensible and like incapable of defending itself. And then it falls, like this is the site this of course the cycle. And I just happened by virtue of the fact that I was born in 1969 to kind of be there at maturity for the end of this cycle. And I didn't recognize it as such when it when I first noticed something as well and I didn't really know what it was, but I have come to believe um that the more money you have, the more likely you are to be deluded. Certainly, the more you worship money, the more certainly you are deluded. It's the same to affect it. It's money, power, sex. These are the things that destroy people that rot your soul. and The more freely available they are and the more you worship them, like
Class Disparity and Societal Values
00:08:49
Speaker
the more likely you are to serve evil. so it At a certain point, that becomes a class distinction.
00:08:55
Speaker
So like you know the people who are just rolling in money from 11 or 12 years of zero interest rates after the after the subprime crisis, after the mortgage price mortgage crisis and in 08, there's trillions of dollars printed and it wound up clustering around you know small groups of people. And those people became crazy and evil as a result of it. i i mean I think it's a much more complicated story than that, but those are its outlines. Those are its essential outlines.
00:09:24
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you pour trillions of dollars into a country unearned and what do you think is gonna happen? Everyone's gonna be like the fourth generation of a rich family. And you know of course in Europe where you have true generational wealth spanning 10 or 20 generations, right you know it's very recognizable. You've got truly decadent evil people at the top because of the the structure of your system. And um we haven't had that, now we do. So I really think that's that's kind of the story.
00:09:53
Speaker
Interesting. Well, I mean, okay, so devil's advocate an advocate for rich people Yeah, I am a rich person. Just just to be clear always have the right ah Well, no. So you bring up the point of Europe, like some some people whose ancestors were rich a thousand years ago are very impressive today and some of them aren't. So and, you know, like. Powerful people in America 50 years ago were very rich, like impossibly rich. but Well, there's no there's no question. I mean, these are broad. so I mean, my family was rich 150 years ago. I feel like I'm a you know kind of OK person.
00:10:37
Speaker
Um, I'm not, it's not, you know, axiomatic, the more money you have, the worse you are, but it is true that overpopulations, you increase the the likelihood of decadence and evil if you especially unearned money.
00:10:51
Speaker
I mean, that is just true. I'm not calling for confiscatory inheritance taxes or anything like that. I'm not suggesting public policy solutions. I'm just noting that people who worship money are evil. And and you know that may have been maybe a common observation here if it's never observed here.
Cultural Shifts in America
00:11:13
Speaker
And I've just seen it up close a lot, a lot. You shouldn't worship money. It's not bad to be rich. But if that's the center of your life, then it's super, super bad. and um And all the kind of attendant problems with that like you just in a democracy that doesn't work Doesn't work because yeah, you're out of step with the majority of the population It's inherently anti-democratic if you're in charge of the of the country like your the charter is your mandate is like Represent the bulk of the population the majority of the people like this is their country. They own it. You don't you're the representative and I
00:11:48
Speaker
Wealth allows you to ignore what's actually happening in their country, but it also insulates you to such an extent you might not notice. you know Anyway, I just think the story of America is the in the last 40 years is the story of exploding wealth. And I know that because I grew up here in a rich neighborhood in which not one person had a plane and everybody had you know a ski house in Tahoe and everyone drove and everyone stayed in a motel. I mean, we did. And yeah everyone ate at like Denny's or like ah you know a diner by the side of the road that all classes people ate at. i don't know I don't know anyone who would drive eight hours to a ski house or eat at Denny's. Like the classes have just become so completely divided in a way that they weren't. It's not a egalitarian country. Now as a Northern European,
00:12:44
Speaker
My instinct is egalitarian. That's just that's what it is. Like it's it's genetic. I'm Scandinavian. Like I can't. And that's, by the way, a Protestant thing, too. Like I'm. Yes. You know, we're all we're all in this together. Yes, I'm a Latin Catholic. I don't mind. Exactly. No, you're. I hate the peasants. Of course. It's OK. You beat your servants with a cane every morning. I have no problem with that.
00:13:07
Speaker
You know, it's it's it's more a Hindu outlook, but it's its it's it's our tradition. It's our Latinx tradition. No, but like America, nobody wants to say it was a northern European Protestant country. That was the whole concept. That was the whole point of it. And up until pretty recently, really, certainly my childhood, that was true.
00:13:26
Speaker
And now it's not true. So there have been all kinds of changes to the structure of society.
Military Service and Societal Values
00:13:31
Speaker
And you expect that over time they will get worked out, but we are definitely in the middle of a dramatic pivot. And Trump is you know probably the last white male Protestant president we're ever going to have. you know um And he has those attitudes. He has vestiges of those attitudes, that egalitarianism, which is a Protestant thing.
00:13:52
Speaker
yeah'm not yeah have Yeah, absolutely 100%. And like, I mean, this is one of the things that bothered me during the whole sort of BLM thing. It's like, oh, that's white. I was like, no, that's not white. That's Anglo and Protestant. I'm white and I'm not like this.
00:14:10
Speaker
No, it's totally that is totally true. And I you know spent enough of my life outside the country to have genuine, not just performative, but sincere respect for other people's cultures, which I think seemed to work pretty well. But I'm i'm speaking my own culture, which I loved.
00:14:26
Speaker
And I'm not claiming it's morally superior to any other Christian culture. I would say it's totally superior to all pagan cultures, but it's not superior to, to you know, French Catholic culture. I don't think that it is, but it's mine. And it's what made America America. And, um you know, it's gone. And so that's what I mean, that's a function of that. there the bit that I that I agree that oh or i i I get that which is there's there was an egalitarian ethos in the sense that somebody who had a lot of money didn't dress particularly differently didn't you know lived in a bigger house but it was basically the same kind of house he had you know he had a Cadillac instead of a but it was still like a basically a GM car and all that.
00:15:14
Speaker
And that's changed. like It was deep rich people now live in compounds. yeah with our guards. And they go to the front of the line. It's the change in attitudes. I remember when our, before we hit TSA, but when the airports, I guess when we got TSA in 2001, airports installed a single TSA pre, which allowed you to cut to the front of the line if you had some special paperwork. And I remember being, of course, I was an instant beneficiary of it because I travel a lot. I'm not going to stand at the back of the line. So I was enrolled in the program. However, I thought it was weird.
00:15:47
Speaker
Or you can pay extra money to go to the front of the line at Disneyland. You can't go to the front of the line because we're all citizens. And no matter how rich you are, no matter how poor I am, we have the same rights. We have the same inherent dignity because we're both created by God. And we have a court system that treats us identically.
00:16:03
Speaker
Yeah. And those were all that was America right there. Those attitudes, even if you like had you know a 30,000 square foot house and I lived in a one room apartment, we were equal before God and equal before the law. And that sense has totally disappeared. And it's because the people around the country don't have those attitudes.
00:16:23
Speaker
you know, for a bunch of reasons, but it's, um, so that's changed. Yeah. And, you know, uh, one score for French Latin Catholic culture, um,
00:16:36
Speaker
it One thing that really helped that was military service. yes um And ah i I think they don't do it anymore. But for example, if you were at the military academy, so the French equivalent of West Point, you if you were admitted, first you spent a year as a private and then you matriculated to university and you were like a aspiring officer, but you had to spend a year as a private.
Appreciation for French Culture
00:17:05
Speaker
ah um To see what it's like from the other end um What is it like it's pretty everyone says that the bathrooms in the French army are like Filthier than anything in rural India. Is that true?
00:17:22
Speaker
I have never heard this. they They stopped military service. I'm the last generation of my family to um ah to not have served in the military, um ah which is a shame. but um i've never i've never i mean i I assume it's not luxurious, but I've i've never heard this.
00:17:43
Speaker
wow okay I love finding out the the the the things that people believe about France and about French people. It's always interesting. but and but And I think they're mostly true, don't you? I mean, stereotypes usually are. yeah but but totally yeah I'm totally. I actually am one of the only Americans who will admit he loves France.
Classified Documents and Transparency
00:18:06
Speaker
I love the language. I love the food. i love I think the women are beautiful. I think the cigarettes are strong, but very good. I mean, it's everything about the country I like. so It's a, we don't care. That's what I love most. I love i love the self-esteem of the French, I do. Yeah, ah we need we we need an extra shot of it right now, but historically it's true.
00:18:32
Speaker
um
00:18:35
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, I think we've covered Washington because I had a bunch of questions, but like, you know, the what you said just sort of covers it. I mean, I guess, you know, I hate to ask this question, but ah you can skip it if you want, but like,
00:18:51
Speaker
If you had to do one thing to sort of fix Washington, like if you had a magic wand, if you were a dictator for 24 hours, ah is there anything? Is there a single thing? Yes. Yes. Instantly, I would radically reduce the number of classified documents and change the classification laws. There would be no default classification for anything.
00:19:15
Speaker
And it's it's that it's the veil of secrecy that allows the filth And the crimes and the the murders to continue It's just kind of that simple, you know, there's a reason there's so much secrecy by the way this super handy Guide for anyone watching at home if you want to know if someone's on the on the side of good or evil And it's so it's often a question it's hard to know The people pushing for disclosure are the good people and the people defending secrecy are the bad people and if you have children, you know There's almost Privacy is sacred and should never be violated secrecy is something very different and there's almost never almost never Any justification for secrecy in a democracy because the people own the government now if you're you know invading Normandy at 8 a.m. Tomorrow you can hide it from me for a week, but you can't 80 years later keep the details from me and The only reason you would do that is because you're committing crimes
00:20:11
Speaker
And they are committing crimes. And so you know I would change that and let the population of the country assess what their money is achieving. And you know their name is being used to justify this stuff.
00:20:23
Speaker
And that's why I think you know guys like Snowden and Assange are not just you know worthy of pardons, but they're heroes.
Perceptions of Moscow and Global Politics
00:20:31
Speaker
They're not the criminals. The person who tells me what my government is doing is not a criminal, it's the government or the you know officials in the government are committing these crimes, you should be punished. They should be in exile in Moscow. They should be locked in the Bolivian, Ecuadorian embassy for seven years. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, Moscow is a lovely...
00:20:51
Speaker
I'm stupid. you're You're famous for thinking that Moscow is a lovely city. ah it's the prints Look, this is not a partisan or political i like point. it It's the prettiest city in Europe. And yes, it is Europe by I mean, there's nothing even comes close to it ah as far as for a real city. it's you know It's the biggest city, 12 million people. Yeah, it's a it's a stunning achievement.
00:21:16
Speaker
and you know draw whatever conclusions you want. I'm not even sure what conclusions I'm drawing from. I don't really understand why it's so great, but and everyone should go there and you know judge for yourself. No, it it it it is a beautiful city. I was there a long time ago. I haven't been since, but ah it is a very beautiful city. um Let's stop talking about politics. So in preparation for this, ah I read some of your earlier work,
00:21:43
Speaker
And um I remember that you were a magazine writer.
Writing Career and Political Changes
00:21:49
Speaker
um Do you miss writing? Because even your monologues at Fox, like you can tell they were written by a writer's writer. like you're You're a guy who enjoys prose, who enjoys the written word. Have have you have you thought about getting back to writing?
00:22:10
Speaker
um Well, I do write, you know, every day I have, ah I mean, no exaggeration to say, I have hundreds of people I correspond with and I work out my thoughts because I do have trouble thinking without writing or or the act of writing forces the writer to think through what he believes and to make connections that you you just don't make verbally. Only writing does that for me.
00:22:35
Speaker
And so, you know, I write for hours every day. um And that's enough for me. i I don't have any interest or need to like show it off. I'm a capable writer. I've made a living writing for, that's what I really did when television was right. and i but sort of made the point, i don't I don't feel like I need to display that in public, but I i need to do it as a as a daily discipline ah and I do do it. But i you go through phases in your life, I'm 55, I have a couple of other passionate, work-related interests and the main one being, I wanna understand what's happening in the world as it resets into a multipolar form, whatever that takes. And so I've spent the last year and a half
00:23:17
Speaker
you know not mostly out of the country, but you know a lot of time out of the country, both for work, you know doing journalism, but also probably primarily for myself to understand. because i i mean I see my job as trying to understand what's happening. like If I were to put my job in one sentence, try to figure out what's happening and and tell people about it as clearly as you get and honestly as you can.
Critique of US Foreign Policy
00:23:39
Speaker
But first, you have to figure it out. I haven't done that. I'm in the process of doing it. but ive just been I've just been a lot of places and I've learned so much. and It's been a marvelous time in my life and and i'm and I'm grateful for it. and I think it's it's really affected my my job. like That's a huge part of my job now.
00:24:04
Speaker
Okay. can like what that's That's fascinating. like what's what have you learned like What's the main thing you've taken away from your eye your foreign travels over the past by know year, 18 months? Just the power shifting in the world. i mean as you Look, I'm very American, extremely. I see everything through an American lens.
00:24:26
Speaker
and um You know, it really deeply matters to me what happens to the United States. I'm not a citizen of the world or any of that nonsense. I mean, I'm like I'm American on every level and I will be until I die. So from an American perspective, you know, the U.S. has lost a lot of power in the last, say, 20 years since 9-11, 20 almost 25 years. And um And I don't think most Americans understand that. I don't think that had to happen. Maybe it was like inevitable in some historical sense or from the perspective of destiny, you know, no empire can live forever, but we certainly hastened its demise.
00:25:05
Speaker
And um that's the first thing. The second thing is that in the United States, domestic politics is almost an afterthought to the extent that it even exists. In Washington, there is really no concern at all about what's happening in the United States. You know, how high prices are, what we're gonna do, you know, within our energy policy, um the fact that you've got 200,000 people dying of drug abuse every year, which is unprecedented.
00:25:32
Speaker
um The fact that housing prices are way beyond the reach of almost all young people who aren't, you know, ah generationally rich, etc, etc. Like these are huge problems people aren't getting married they're not having children.
00:25:46
Speaker
everyone's gay, i'm just the country's falling apart, but there's no acknowledgement in that because there's no of it, because there's no interest in it. All the attention is focused on how we can project American power abroad for whatever reason, you know you can guess as to the motive there, but I'm just telling you, that's all they care about. That's all they care
Resentment Towards Political Interventions
00:26:05
Speaker
about. I mean, getting a seat on the intel committee or the foreign affairs committee, that is the highest level of service in the United States Congress. and like What is that? In other words, all of Washington is focused on the rest of the world, which they don't understand whose languages they don't speak. ah data they They fancy themselves experts. They know nothing. They're like truly profoundly ignorant, but they they're experts, subject area experts.
00:26:29
Speaker
and nobody in the United States has any idea what's happening there because there's a full media blackout on the rest of the world. I mean, Americans were told with a straight face that Putin blew up his own natural gas pipeline because he's evil and evil people ultimately just attack themselves for, you know, they run out of victims and they just blow up their own infrastructure just for the pure animal joy of breaking things. Like they were told that. Yeah. And they believed it because how would, you know, how would they know that that's not true?
00:26:59
Speaker
So um that has been so interesting to see what the U.S. government is doing and has done abroad. It's so, it's just heartbreaking, you know, as someone who really believes in the United States and, you know, I grew up and I might have worked for the government in a foreign affairs type job. So ah i I can hardly believe what I'm seeing. And, and you know, bits and pieces filtered down. It's like, oh, wait, I think we may have rigged the election in Poland.
00:27:28
Speaker
where we seem to be messing with the internal politics of, I don't know, pick a country, Romania, South Korea, Albania, all all true. Venezuela, they're American US government personnel in Venezuela right now. What are they doing there? Well, they're trying to overthrow the government. Same with Russia, we're trying to overthrow the government. but I don't think people, they don't really think about what that means. First of all, in the United States, foreign policy drives domestic policy. What we're doing abroad,
00:27:58
Speaker
we will do to our own people. okay So if we are rigging elections abroad, not not against Mosaddeck in 1953, I mean like right now, in yeah then why wouldn't we why wouldn't the intel agencies and the national security state rig our own elections? Well,
00:28:15
Speaker
Of course they would, and they have. right So it's it's just given me a wild perspective and just a really deep reservoir of hostility. like I can't can't even believe they're doing this. This is outrageous. They have no right to do that. I feel totally American. I feel like my family helped found this country. i You have no right to do, who are you? You have no right to do this.
Book Recommendations
00:28:38
Speaker
Cause you got your stupid little uniform and your fake metals on there. You get to like do all this stuff to my country. No, I mean it. I'm not joking. I mean, call me diluted if you want. I feel ownership. I feel like I'm a citizen. I'm a shareholder in this country. I'm a legacy of this country and some douchebag fat general gets to like wreck the world in my name. No.
00:29:01
Speaker
You know, you're no stop stop it son, right now. I mean, i you know so that's, I don't feel like the surf at all. ah we're We're going to run out of time sadly. We have a traditional last question that we ask all guests. It's a very long tradition from three weeks ago. ah My favorite kind. It's the best kind. ah Recommend a book, any book that's not in your area of expertise.
00:29:29
Speaker
Oh man, I wish I could flip this thing around. Well, I probably could flip this thing around. i I'm sitting in my office right now, and I'm just gonna, well, actually, because I'm going to Saudi Arabia tomorrow, so I'm bringing this. I have a whole shelf I have, so I think Woodhouse wrote like 105 books total, p speaking of the great Kevin Grenville, Woodhouse.
00:29:55
Speaker
on And I think something like 80 odd of those were novels, his famous novels. And I bring with me when I travel, um and day to day, the only two things I read very good recommendation at all, i my son gave me the used, collected paperback versions of the Woodhouse novels.
00:30:15
Speaker
So they're just easy to pack. I'm bringing, tomorrow when I leave, I'm bringing Upridge written in 1924. I've read it before, but probably not in 35 years. Amazingly hilarious. I read two things. I read P.G. Woodhouse and I read the Bible. And I've read my whole life. And but for the last two years, I've only read P.G. Woodhouse and the Bible. I've done the Bible, I've read the Bible twice through. I'm i'm now at Genesis 5. I'm starting for the third time as of last night. And And I feel like that's enough. I mean, I read a lot, I've read a lot. And now all I want, maybe i'll next year I'm sure I'll change, but for the last two years, P.J. Woodhouse, the Holy Bible, and that's it. And I feel like that has been enough for me.
00:31:00
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That's an excellent recommendation. ah Tucker Carlson, thank you very much for your time. It's always fun and interesting talking to you. Thank you very much. Oh, thank you for having me. And we're going to have dinner next time I'm in Paris. I i think your country is, boy, there's a country I don't understand but want to.
00:31:23
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and That's definitely true. Yeah, I don't understand it, but I just think it's so interesting. And so I'm very psyched for dinner for the full explanation. All right. Goodbye, sir. Thank you. Thank you.