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Ep 56: Pinbrew with Keith Campanelli
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Keith Campanelli sits down to talk with us about Pinbrew! Not only do we talk about the craft beer Pinball show but we also talk about 90s B/W games, the new Alien release, and restorations.
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Transcript
Introduction and Acknowledgements
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Thanks for tuning in to loser kid pinball podcast.
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This is episode 56.
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I am Josh Roop.
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Your host is always along with me, my co-captain Scott Larson.
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Before we get into the friends of the podcast, I just want to bring up something super quick.
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Um, no, well actually let's do the friends of podcast first.
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It doesn't feel right.
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Not so Scott, if you'll do the friends of podcast.
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Okay, friends of the podcast, first and foremost, if you want to get a pinball machine, please contact Zach and Nicole at Flippin' Out Pinball.
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They're always happy to get you any machine that you want within reason, and they will do what they can to move heaven and earth to get those ultra-rare ones.
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Just go ahead and contact them at Flippin' Out Pinball.
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Also, if you want to get your summary of the week, this week in pinball, just go to this week in pinball, and you can check out Jeff Patterson's site.
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It has a summary of the information of what's going on, including some feature articles.
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Also, check out Pinball Supernova, another site that goes through different things and has tutorials and little things to check out, all things Pinball-related.
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If you have that Translight sticking around your house that's just collecting dust and you would like to add it to your pinball room, please check out Brad at Lit Frames.
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A good way of illuminating that frame.
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And we were told that the winner of the Houdini Translight actually contacted Brad to illuminate that and put it up in his house.
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So we're happy about that.
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Also, check out Flatline Designs if you want to get the alternative...
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Translites for some Williams-Bally era favorites, but you want to mix it up, go ahead and check that out.
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Also, if you want to check out the history of pinball, check out our friends over at the Silver Bar Chronicles.
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They're on the TPN and certainly a good way of seeing the history of things in case you are new-ish or just don't know the history of things.
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Also, check out Pinshades if you want to check out playing on location but really don't like the glare from the standard glass.
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It's a good way of increasing your score by staying farther up the playfield.
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Check out Pinshades.
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Also, you can check out my friend Tim Purcell of the Pinball Loft.
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He just has a blog there.
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talks about all things.
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He has a really cool feature of what he did to upgrade the sound system on his Guns N' Roses collector's edition.
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So if you want to blow the speakers out of your house and shatter all your windows, go ahead and check out the pinball loft.
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And Josh, who do we have here today?
Post-Vaccine Pinball Scene
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So today, you know, we've been asking the question, when are we going to start getting back to normal?
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You know, everyone's always asking, when's the next pinball show happening?
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Everyone's getting their vaccine.
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I know I've had my first shot.
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Scott's at do now.
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I am actually getting messages all the time.
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People like, so when's the next show?
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I got my shot, you know, and Butch Pill from CGC contacted us and said, hey, you should give Keith a ring because he's doing his own show here soon.
Ohio Pinbrew Fest Overview
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So now we have Keith Campanelli on here with us and he's going to talk to us about Pimbreu.
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How are you doing, Keith?
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I'm good.
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Thanks for having me, guys.
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Well, thanks for joining us.
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I didn't realize we were able to get a show going this soon.
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When is this pinbrew?
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You got to give us all the details because this is honestly one of the first times I'm hearing about this.
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Okay.
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So it is the newest show in Ohio.
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It's called Ohio Pinbrew Fest, and it is April 8th, 9th, and 10th in Girard, Ohio.
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We are in the Metroplex Expo Center, 30,000 square feet.
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And it is a unique show because we are combining pinball and arcade, the normal pinball show stuff that you are normally accustomed with.
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Also, we're having craft beer.
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from a bunch of different breweries in the area and food from local food vendors in the area.
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So it's a pinball beer and food festival.
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Okay, now that sounds amazing.
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And that sounds pretty much how things were, let's say 15 months ago.
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And so how do things, how have things changed?
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What happened with you guys last year?
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What's happened in the in the since then?
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And in what ways are people going to feel comfortable coming back to these locations as we start getting back to our old selves?
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So last year we had all the plans laid out.
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We were getting everything ready from lanyards to tickets to scheduling different food vendors.
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And we had a whole bunch of breweries involved.
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And...
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We were scheduled for April 16th, and we ended up pulling the plug probably about three to four weeks before the show.
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The onset of COVID and the pandemic hit, and just about everything was shutting down, and obviously we knew that we could not do the show.
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We originally postponed it and hoped that everything would get back to normal by end of summer, and we set it for August and then decided we still can't do the show.
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We went through the winter, and as you can see, things are starting to open up a little bit.
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Ohio's doing very good as far as our vaccination rate and how the state is opening up.
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We've been having shows actually since November and December at the Metroplex, and they've
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change things around a little bit with how they present the show.
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For instance, the normal show would have been a whole bunch of pinball machines lined up in a row.
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You'd have a row of 20 here and another row of 20 here.
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What we're doing this time is we originally were doing 15,000 square feet at the show.
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The Metroplex has said, hey, we're gonna give you the entire building, 30,000 square feet.
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No extra charge because we want to help you guys to get back on your feet with this inaugural show.
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So we're going to be putting the pinball machine sporadically throughout the building.
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It's kind of a unique setup.
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You'll walk into the main building and there'll be the vendors and they will be spaced apart and there'll be pinball machines in between them a little bit here and there.
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But then as you venture out of the main hall and you venture into the rest of the Metroplex, there's a couple different bar areas.
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We're going to have a...
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beer garden in the middle of it where people can actually sit, enjoy their beers, where you can sit down, take your mask off, like as if you're in a restaurant, that type of feel.
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And then when you leave the beer garden, we go back to the mandates now with masks and walk throughout the building and there'll be pinball machines sporadically out the other 15,000 square feet.
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So you can just grab a couple of friends and go up to a machine and nobody will be around you and enjoy yourself.
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And that's the feel that we're doing this year.
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So we've changed a lot around.
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Where did this concept of Pembreu come from?
Keith's Journey and Show Planning Challenges
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Well, I started out restoring games years back.
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I have a small restoration company, and then I started working with the people at Hardtops.
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doing some stuff for them, helping them prototype a lot of their games.
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That rolled into, I had a local brewery that contacted me and said, hey, we're expanding.
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Pinball's a great thing.
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I'd like to get together with you.
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And I got together with the guys at Birdfish Brew Company in Columbia and Ohio.
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And
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set a bunch of machines in there and got educated over the last two years about craft beer.
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I was not a craft beer guy, but I can say now I can hold my own.
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Um, I understand the different types of brews that they have.
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And when my partner who broke away from the old Ohio show contacted me and said, Hey, I want to get together.
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Let's do something.
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I presented the idea of the craft beer.
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Uh, I think it was, um,
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Gary Stern at the 30th Expo.
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I remember being there at a show that they had that night away from the Expo.
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And he got up on stage and he had mentioned, you know, beer and pinball.
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And that was kind of his entire speech.
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And that's pretty much the premise of what made me think about this.
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Okay.
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So how long has the show been going on?
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This is going to be the inaugural show.
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So last year was supposed to be our first show.
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Okay.
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Yeah, we are.
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We are the first show in the United States as the pandemic winds down and we are also an inaugural show.
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One of my big concerns with doing the show is that we can get the vendors in being a new show.
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They were going everywhere and difficult to get them to say, to venture out to a new show, but we've been very fortunate.
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We've had a lot of support in the community.
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One of our big vendors being CoinTakers coming in and setting up in the middle of our show with they're taking 1600 square feet alone just to set up their works.
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So, yeah, it's coming together.
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Each day I'm getting more and more vendors in, which is really exciting.
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I think everybody is understanding that we are winding down and we are putting a show on where we are going to do everything to keep people safe, following CDC guidelines and state mandates, and then just doing everything so people can get out, enjoy themselves, and feel comfortable.
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Your timing was perfect, though.
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That's kind of funny.
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It's sad because it's like you put all this effort into work, into doing this show, and then 2020 all happens, and you're like, well, I guess we're putting this off for a year.
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Do you guys have any shirts from the first show you're going to be selling for... Confuse the crap out of people.
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I thought this was the inaugural, was 2021, but they have 2020 shirts.
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Now, we were just about to pull the... We had ordered lanyards.
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We had ordered...
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all the wristbands, but I was smart enough not to put the date on them for the first year.
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So we were able to use a lot of that.
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The shirts were ready to go, ready to print.
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We were able to hold off on that.
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We had a few costs.
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We had the, the financial end wasn't really that bad.
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It was more the psychological end of, we spent months planning for this.
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I'm a cross the T, you know, dot the I guy, my partner, Marvin,
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has been doing the Ohio show for 13 years, would look at me and just tell me, hey, Keith, relax.
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It'll be fine.
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This is good.
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That's good.
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Don't worry about it.
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And meanwhile, I'm going, well, do we have enough cups?
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Do we have enough tickets?
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And so we didn't have a lot of the stuff.
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We had everything kind of ready to go, but we didn't pull the trigger on a lot of the things, which was fortunate, I guess, in that respect.
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What goes into wanting to do this show?
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For me, I like being in control of a lot of things, and it's probably just kind of an occupational hazard.
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But it seems to me that when you're organizing a show, there are things that are just – it's not able to control.
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You're not able to control –
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how the message is being spread.
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You're not able to control how many people are going to come.
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And I would, I would get super nervous about just, okay, are we going to, you know, okay, I'll put it this way.
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My horror, my horrible dream would be like throwing a big birthday party for myself and then ending up at Chuck E. Cheese with me and a hat and no one showing up.
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And a lot of extra people.
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Right, right.
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Exactly.
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So how do you get over that when you decide, you know what, I'm going to do
Community Support and Planning
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this.
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I'm going to plan a show.
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Well, I was fortunate that Marvin Orchardt is my partner and he's done, I believe, 13 shows.
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He was half owner of the Ohio Pinball Show and that show had kind of run its course and he decided to separate from his existing partner.
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So he had the background, he knew what to expect, but then we added pieces to it and I've been fortunate enough that I've
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have gotten to meet all these great people.
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Ivan over at Allentown has given us some help and praise.
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Rob Burke, who runs the Expo, literally is a half hour north of me, and I know him well enough, I can call him all the time and say, hey, we need this, we need that, what do you think?
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It's been the support network.
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I mean, there's so many great people in pinball, there's so many great vendors,
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And all these other people that just come out, like, for instance, Butch Peel is a very close friend of mine.
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I see him at all the shows.
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I see him at Chicago.
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He came to the Ohio show.
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He comes to the Cleveland show.
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We always get together.
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And I just knew by knowing all these people and networking with all these people that we would be able to put something on.
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Now, how successful is it?
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It's hard to say, especially pandemic just wrapping up.
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There's some extra pieces of the pie that we can't figure.
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One of the things was last year we had 12 breweries involved, which meant we had to buy beer, which was 24 six barrels.
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And have that ready for the show.
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And if the people didn't drink that beer, I was going to have a heck of a year.
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And probably by the time this thing was over, we did scale back.
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We're only doing what we were originally doing five breweries.
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Now we're adding a sixth because we're already starting to see a lot of steam with the show that people are talking about how they want to come.
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The ticket sales are starting up.
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The room rent, the rooms are being rented.
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So we're realizing that the show is going to it'll be OK the first year.
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Really successful.
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We'll see successful enough that we'll do it again next year.
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Most likely.
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Not only do you have the the craft beer that you're going to have there, but I mean, obviously we're talking pinball.
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At this event, are you guys just having specific machines brought in?
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Is it going to be like bring your own?
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Because some events, if the community helps and brings their own pinball machine, there's an incentive.
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Is it going to be mostly new?
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Let's talk pinball for a minute.
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Definitely.
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And that's really what the show is, is the base of the show.
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So Marvin and I both have games on route.
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We have personal collections, and we both committed...
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to bring between the two of us a minimum of 50 games to the show to start.
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We also have a lot of friends that are bringing games.
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I can count probably half a dozen friends that are each bringing about six games a piece.
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And then we've offered to, on our website, pinbrewfest.com, that bring a game, get in free.
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And we've seen a lot of that starting to steamroll forward.
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We've picked up at least another 20, 25 games there.
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So right now I think the actual count on the website is about 75 games, not including I know another 20 that are coming and then maybe about 20 arcades.
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So we know we'll have the 100 pinball machines we need to make it successful.
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But Marvin and I have seen a lot of the shows where it's a buy sell trade show.
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You want to bring a game, you want to put it up for sale.
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People want to take it home that day.
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So we're asking that they obviously don't take it home till after 6 p.m.
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But come Saturday, when the show is winding up, it goes till midnight.
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At 6 p.m., if they want to pull all their games out and everybody decides they're going to leave, we have a minimum of 50 games Marvin and I have contributed to the show that we know will stay.
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There's nothing worse than being at a show on a Saturday afternoon.
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And, you know, 75% of the games are either broken or gone or, and you're just, you're just dragging your feet on the last end of it.
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So we kind of put it together in that respect.
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We're asking people to bring games and people have stepped up and the vendors are bringing a lot of games.
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Tilt Amusements is coming.
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Trent Augustine is going to show up with a bunch.
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CoinTaker is bringing a bunch of games.
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Rob Burke is bringing a bunch of games.
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So we have a lot of support from other companies.
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other people that are going to help make the show successful because obviously if you don't have the games, you're not going to have a good show.
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Yeah, and getting onto that, a lot of these big vendors, they bring in a lot of games.
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And in other shows, kind of the deal is they come in, they set them up, people play those machines, but they also sell them after.
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And because they really don't want to pack them up and take them back, the whole point is getting pinball to the masses.
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So if someone really wants to, hey, I'm interested in getting a good deal on games,
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on a show pin that someone brings out and they sell it for a few hundred dollars cheaper.
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What's the best thing for them to do?
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So right now we're working with Chris and Melissa over at Cointaker.
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They're probably our biggest distributor as far as bringing in games and setting them up.
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And I know Melissa is working with Stern to work out show pricing because unfortunately everything in pinball is fixed numbers supposedly, and she's working with them to see
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what they can do for show specials.
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We have not talked to Trent yet to see what he had in mind.
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I'm assuming he's going to do something similar to the same.
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And then a lot of the local people, Ohio is a huge pinball community.
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We're located, we're three hours from Buffalo, an hour from Pittsburgh, an hour from Cleveland, and three hours from Columbus.
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So we have this great community
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centralized area and there is a lot of pinball players out here.
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All the people that used to go to the Papa's big event that is unfortunately no longer are in the area.
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So we will get a lot of people.
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We'll get a lot of machines we hope.
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And there'll be people bringing in games.
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I know a bunch of my friends are saying I got three games I'm bringing to sell another four games I'm bringing just to bring to the show to show off.
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people bringing restored games.
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I'm a restoration guy myself.
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I'm actually bringing three or four of my high-end games that I did over the last couple of years just to let people enjoy a really nice older game that's been redone.
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Nice.
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So how did you get into pinball?
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It's always, it seems kind of like an addiction a little bit where someone gets the itch and then they kind of go.
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I know that Josh and I never thought when we got into pinball that we would
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we would end up being a broadcaster in pinball.
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But it's kind of this creep of how infectious the hobby is.
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So what was your first taste?
Keith's Dual Career and Passion for Restoration
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How has it evolved in your career?
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And to bring you to this point.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's well, I always tell people pinballs are like potato chips.
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You just can't have one.
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So about 12 years ago, I had a construction company that I was closing and a good friend of mine had a pinball machine in his shop.
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And I had asked him about it and said, hey, you know, what's up with this?
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He says, oh, I kind of buy and sell and I clean them up.
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And I was doing my basement and I told him, I said, well, I kind of want one.
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So he worked out a deal.
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I ended up buying my first game from the man is now my partner, Marvin.
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He sold me a Star Wars Episode I, I think it was.
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And I put it in the basement.
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I learned how to open the coin door and take the glass off and wipe down the play field.
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And I thought that was kind of neat.
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Then went back to my buddy and said, hey, I want to do this again.
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And I ended up getting a radical and tearing that down.
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And then it just kept progressing and progressing and progressing.
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And I ended up with a...
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restoration company.
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I've shipped games as far as Washington State.
00:19:35
Speaker
In fact, Butch's close friend is shipping me an Indiana Jones he wants me to do next year, so that'll go out to New Mexico.
00:19:41
Speaker
And that evolved into the brewery and the coin-op, and that's been a part of it.
00:19:47
Speaker
And then between going to all these shows and having friends that are in the business of the shows that evolved into, all right, let's do a show.
00:19:56
Speaker
So it's, it went from a slight hobby to it takes up about half of my actual work experience.
00:20:04
Speaker
I actually run a pediatric practice with four practitioners a couple of days a week.
00:20:09
Speaker
And then I scooch out of here and I go do pinball.
00:20:13
Speaker
Wait, so you're, you're another doctor in pinball?
00:20:16
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:20:17
Speaker
Actually, my wife is one of the doctors here.
00:20:21
Speaker
I'm the insignificant other.
00:20:24
Speaker
I'm the spousal unit, I guess.
00:20:27
Speaker
I just sent the link over to your guys' phones.
00:20:30
Speaker
Okay.
00:20:30
Speaker
And you're talking about Pinbrew coming up here in April.
00:20:32
Speaker
It was just announced on Super Awesome's Pinball Show webpage or Facebook page that Pinball Brothers is releasing Alien again.
00:20:42
Speaker
Yes.
00:20:43
Speaker
And do you know if this game will be at Pinbrew so people can play it and try it out?
00:20:47
Speaker
Well, I'm going to say I'm 98% sure.
00:20:51
Speaker
I just got a picture of one from one of our distributors and I did not confirm with him yet, but he did say when it comes in, it'll be there.
00:21:02
Speaker
I can say there's a 99% chance that we will have an alien at the show.
00:21:07
Speaker
So, but I'm just waiting for him to say absolutely.
00:21:10
Speaker
Yes, it's coming.
00:21:11
Speaker
You know, if it came in damaged, I'm
00:21:13
Speaker
Or something's broken.
00:21:14
Speaker
I don't want to overstep my bounds.
00:21:16
Speaker
But if you're listening to this podcast, Chris, you need to text me back and tell me that, yes, it works great.
00:21:24
Speaker
We'll be bringing it.
00:21:26
Speaker
Nice.
00:21:27
Speaker
So there's a high likelihood that there will be the ability to see in person an alien spin ball machine.
00:21:34
Speaker
Yes, very highly likely.
00:21:37
Speaker
Very nice.
00:21:37
Speaker
I know a lot of people have been talking about this machine.
00:21:40
Speaker
It's got a checkered past, but it's going to be interesting to see.
00:21:42
Speaker
And people can get their hands on it at Pimbreu.
00:21:44
Speaker
This is awesome because I was going to ask you if there's any other rare machines, and it's kind of hard to tell that line because some stuff is secret.
00:21:51
Speaker
You got to hold the trust of your dealers.
00:21:54
Speaker
But I was like, perfect.
00:21:54
Speaker
I'm sending you the leak so we can talk about this because we're not reporting it here as Loser Kid.
00:22:00
Speaker
It's super awesome that it has posted the
00:22:02
Speaker
It's just a six minute trailer.
00:22:04
Speaker
If you want to check it out on their website and see the new version of alien that, that pinball brothers has produced for 2021.
00:22:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:11
Speaker
I'm excited to both Marvin and I have an one in our order with Chris and Melissa.
00:22:18
Speaker
So one of those coming over might hopefully stay.
00:22:22
Speaker
We'll see what happens, but it's like an interesting game.
00:22:26
Speaker
So tell me about your restoration business.
00:22:29
Speaker
Like how long does it take to restore one of your games?
00:22:34
Speaker
What do people want if they have that old centaur that's sitting in their corner?
00:22:38
Speaker
They're like, you know, I'd really like it to play a lot better.
00:22:41
Speaker
What can you do for them?
00:22:43
Speaker
I was doing a few games here and there for people, and I've tried to keep it down to doing three to four games a year for others.
00:22:51
Speaker
I have a large collection of games that I've acquired that I have been restoring.
00:22:55
Speaker
And, uh,
00:22:57
Speaker
In fact, I've put several of them out down at the brewery.
00:22:59
Speaker
I have a fully restored Adams family and a fully restored attack from Mars sitting at the brewery that look as beautiful, even better than when they came out of the box.
00:23:12
Speaker
It depends what people want.
00:23:15
Speaker
Basically, I'll take a game and strip it down to the play field, take all the wire harnesses off, clean the harnesses, sand the games down, repaint the games, silkscreen the backs, put new art on them, chrome, brass, whatever they want.
00:23:30
Speaker
I do a lot of work with Chris over at Pinball Plating.
00:23:35
Speaker
But I'll be very honest with you, I try to keep it more hobby-ish.
00:23:40
Speaker
I have friends that will ask to have their games done, and I'll say yes, and I'll tell them it'll be six months before I can get to them because I keep trying to get my own games going.
00:23:50
Speaker
For instance, I literally just this morning, I pulled a Gilligan's Island out that I was getting ready for the show, and I ended up stripping the entire play field.
00:23:59
Speaker
So, yeah, it was like, I'm just going to tune it up.
00:24:03
Speaker
And well, if I pull this piece off, I can clean this better.
00:24:05
Speaker
And if I pull this off, I can scrub that.
00:24:07
Speaker
Then I can go through this Mac.
00:24:09
Speaker
And so it's kind of a sickness, but I enjoy it.
00:24:13
Speaker
And then I like I've gotten to the point where I've gotten past the whole put them in a corner and don't touch them.
00:24:20
Speaker
I enjoy bringing them out to shows and showing people I'm bringing out a fully restored Cactus Canyon nickel plated to our show chromed out.
00:24:28
Speaker
fish tails, and possibly another just chromed out, totally redone safecracker.
00:24:34
Speaker
That is awesome.
00:24:36
Speaker
That's totally awesome.
00:24:36
Speaker
And I respect you for going to that length of restoration.
00:24:40
Speaker
It drives me absolutely insane when you get that person that says, I fully restore it.
00:24:45
Speaker
And you look at the pinball machine and you ask them, what did you do?
00:24:48
Speaker
And like, well, I tore down the top of the play field.
00:24:50
Speaker
I put Novus on it.
00:24:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:53
Speaker
And that's about it.
00:24:55
Speaker
You know, it's like, well, there's still dirt here.
00:24:57
Speaker
Like, I don't know.
00:24:58
Speaker
So it's, it's great to see people that have as much love and passion for the, as for pinball as yourself, because it gives us some of the strive for, I guess.
00:25:08
Speaker
It reminds me of when you ask your son, did you clean your room?
00:25:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:11
Speaker
I cleaned my room.
00:25:12
Speaker
And you walk in and he's like, okay, what did you clean?
00:25:15
Speaker
Because I can't still see the carpet.
00:25:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:20
Speaker
So I have one of those sons.
00:25:23
Speaker
So do I. But no, I mean, the restoration piece, as much as I enjoy doing it for others, it's therapy for me.
00:25:33
Speaker
Literally, I work in an office with 14 women.
00:25:36
Speaker
and me and when i leave here i get to my shop and there's nobody there to bother me and not that they're not good people but it's very peaceful um there's nothing more enjoyable for me than just taking something old and making it new again as a i was a home builder for years and i used to do that so this is the the piece where i get to work with my hands and i just enjoy the end result
00:26:01
Speaker
Problem is that they're very hard to get rid of when you get them done.
00:26:04
Speaker
You only have so much room and you have to figure out what are you going to do when we're going to part with these things.
00:26:09
Speaker
So...
00:26:10
Speaker
Yeah, I sold my I had an absolutely beautiful Iron Man and I sold it because I had to because I just had to to move it on so I could get new space.
00:26:21
Speaker
But I knew it was the prettiest Iron Man you could find.
00:26:23
Speaker
It was, you know, it had plating on it, had interactive lights, I had everything like that.
00:26:28
Speaker
And I still think, man, if I just had a bigger house, I would never have sold that thing.
00:26:33
Speaker
But.
00:26:34
Speaker
You know, it's it's fun to see them move on at some point because you get other games coming in.
00:26:40
Speaker
But yeah, I am I am a self-described pinball hoarder that I actually have pinball machines that my friends are pin sitting right now because I really don't want to sell anything.
00:26:51
Speaker
I'm guilty of the same.
00:26:52
Speaker
So I completely get it.
Pinbrew's Unique Offerings
00:26:56
Speaker
So back to the show for a second.
00:26:58
Speaker
Is there any other games that you're looking forward to that you don't usually get to see or play coming to the show?
00:27:03
Speaker
Or maybe a rare piece that is like a joust or maybe a rat race that you don't get to see very often coming to the show?
00:27:10
Speaker
Well, I have a rather large collection myself.
00:27:15
Speaker
And the last couple of years since I knew we were going to be doing the show, I've been reaching out and trying to find those unique games.
00:27:22
Speaker
I personally like playing the 90s stuff myself.
00:27:26
Speaker
I have a new pirates collectors that I absolutely adore and I play the heck out of that.
00:27:31
Speaker
But Theater of Magic and games along that era are the ones I truly enjoy.
00:27:37
Speaker
And I have a lot of friends that like the older System 11s and the System 9s going back.
00:27:43
Speaker
So I've been acquiring some games.
00:27:45
Speaker
I will be bringing a few of them to the show if they're ready.
00:27:49
Speaker
For instance, I got a Stargazer that's coming, a Cosmic Flight that's coming.
00:27:54
Speaker
I did literally have a story I told on another podcast about I bought a Joust.
00:28:02
Speaker
Unfortunately, it is sitting in Canada right now.
00:28:05
Speaker
And I bought it last year knowing and thinking I would bring it back and go through it and restore it and bring it to the show.
00:28:12
Speaker
But you can't travel over the border and the cost of shipping it here.
00:28:18
Speaker
I kept my fingers crossed that the borders would be open by now, and I literally just talked to my buddy.
00:28:23
Speaker
It's sitting in his garage.
00:28:24
Speaker
I purchased it from a guy, and then he went and got it for me, and it's been sitting there.
00:28:30
Speaker
So Pinbrew 2022 will have a very nice joust, but this year we're going to have to pass on that.
00:28:38
Speaker
So as far as other unique games,
00:28:42
Speaker
Um, I have a lot of friends with a lot of different stuff that are bringing interesting games.
00:28:46
Speaker
I restored an Atlantis and sold it to a friend of mine.
00:28:50
Speaker
He's bringing that to the show.
00:28:53
Speaker
Um, I've done a couple of restorations for other people that are bringing some of those games.
00:28:57
Speaker
Um, and there's, there's just a lot of great pinball people out here that are bringing unique things.
00:29:01
Speaker
I, one of the guys from Cincinnati, uh, sent me a text.
00:29:04
Speaker
He says, I'm bringing a stranger things, LA.
00:29:07
Speaker
Can I bring a tent and can I go in the corner and can we blacklight it?
00:29:11
Speaker
So, yeah, there's going to be a lot of unique pieces.
00:29:14
Speaker
I think we're going to have several Deadpools there, and we're bringing in an actual full-size Deadpool to put next to the Deadpool so people can get their pictures standing next to Deadpool.
00:29:24
Speaker
Just unique things like that we're trying to do with the show.
00:29:26
Speaker
So there'll be a mix of a lot of newer games.
00:29:29
Speaker
There'll be a mix of 80s, 90s, System 11s, and then just some unique.
00:29:34
Speaker
I have a couple of friends that are big EM guys out here.
00:29:37
Speaker
So we're going to get the whole path of EMs in there, too.
00:29:41
Speaker
The way you were starting that conversation, though, I thought you were going to be like, oh, yeah, I've got a rat race and Kroll and the only Zingy Bingy that never was seen in existence.
00:29:51
Speaker
We made the prototype.
00:29:54
Speaker
No, it sounds like you've got a good collection of pinball machines coming, though.
00:29:57
Speaker
It sounds like it's going to be very worth your time, even if you don't live in the East.
00:30:03
Speaker
I guess you guys are Midwest.
00:30:04
Speaker
They're in Ohio, right?
00:30:05
Speaker
Anything East of me feels East, and we're in Utah.
00:30:08
Speaker
Yeah, we're considered the Midwest.
00:30:10
Speaker
midwest which i don't understand because we're we're fairly we're we're just below the great lakes so um again that that pittsburgh buffalo columbus cleveland area but we'll get we'll get an influx of people from new york pennsylvania west virginia um michigan that will come in we have some of our vendors are actually coming in from the michigan area so
00:30:37
Speaker
We consider it a regional show.
00:30:40
Speaker
Um, you know, Rob Burke runs expo and I know Texas is absolutely huge and people fly in from all over the world for these shows.
00:30:47
Speaker
Um, we, we're not looking to be that, um, we're looking to be that regional show that picks up our area and compliments, um, you know, the shows out East and compliments Allentown, which, uh,
00:31:01
Speaker
Pinfest happens the month after ours.
00:31:04
Speaker
So it's just nice that we'll have something local and we'll bring in enough people to make the show successful and enough vendors that they'll be happy to have set up there.
00:31:13
Speaker
In fact, I just spoke, just was emailing Brian Allen's coming in and setting up the show because apparently he lives within a few hours of the show.
00:31:22
Speaker
So he's very excited to come set up here.
00:31:24
Speaker
And I think he's one of your sponsors.
00:31:27
Speaker
Yeah, tell Brian we said hi.
00:31:29
Speaker
I actually need to order my Medieval Madness art blades from him because I have the new Medieval Madness, the LE Translight in there, which I really like just because it kind of mixes things up a little bit.
00:31:42
Speaker
It looks a little different.
00:31:44
Speaker
So I've had a good time with that.
00:31:46
Speaker
And yeah, tell him we said hi.
00:31:50
Speaker
I will.
00:31:51
Speaker
I will.
00:31:52
Speaker
In fact, I think he works with...
00:31:55
Speaker
He's associated in some respect to my good friend who owns Outside Edge, who does the hard tops.
00:32:02
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:32:03
Speaker
I think he gets his work done through Bruce at Outside Edge.
00:32:08
Speaker
So that's how I was able to make the connection.
00:32:11
Speaker
I called Brian and asked him if he wants to come to the show when he was thrilled.
00:32:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:16
Speaker
Do you ever use any of those hard tops in your restoration?
Restoration Techniques and Tools
00:32:18
Speaker
For those that don't know, a hard top, correct me if I'm wrong, is it's pretty much a print of the play field on a kind of a thick piece of plastic.
00:32:27
Speaker
Like plexiglass, yeah.
00:32:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:29
Speaker
It's a 030 polycarbonate.
00:32:32
Speaker
And what they do is they reverse the art on the underside and then put a 3M adhesive under that.
00:32:39
Speaker
And then on the top side where the ball rolls, there's a scratch resistant coating.
00:32:43
Speaker
It's actually the same coating they use on high rises on the windows.
00:32:48
Speaker
Okay.
00:32:49
Speaker
This is according to Bruce.
00:32:50
Speaker
I hope I didn't screw that up, but I'm pretty sure I got that right.
00:32:53
Speaker
Yes.
00:32:54
Speaker
I actually, I've done, I've prototyped around six or seven games for him.
00:32:59
Speaker
And in fact, I was just working before we got here on a hard top pin bot.
00:33:04
Speaker
I did a, I have a swords of fury.
00:33:06
Speaker
I did a,
00:33:10
Speaker
Farrow, I did an 8-Ball Deluxe.
00:33:12
Speaker
Those are coming to the show along with the ones I have.
00:33:16
Speaker
So I have used them.
00:33:17
Speaker
They're a great product.
00:33:19
Speaker
I'm excited because our show is also...
00:33:24
Speaker
the hard top homecoming is going to be at our show.
00:33:27
Speaker
So hard tops are made in Ohio, down in Columbus with Bruce, and he's a close friend of mine and he has set up and I've been with him at expo.
00:33:36
Speaker
I've been with him at Allentown where we've showed off the product and he's doing what they call a hard top row.
00:33:42
Speaker
So anybody that brings in a hard top game and sets up in that road, they'll have their own tournament.
00:33:47
Speaker
They get t-shirts from him.
00:33:49
Speaker
And it's just a whole nother piece of the show, which is going to make us a little bit unique.
00:33:54
Speaker
So we're hoping to display at least 10 of the, I think he has almost 15 hardtops out now.
00:34:00
Speaker
And I love them.
00:34:01
Speaker
They're great for older games.
00:34:02
Speaker
And as a guy who actually routes games, I really enjoy the fact that I can put that game out there.
00:34:07
Speaker
They don't get dirty.
00:34:09
Speaker
You do not have to wipe these things down.
00:34:11
Speaker
A friend of mine at Madcap, Matt, put in a space shuttle.
00:34:18
Speaker
And he tells me he has over 100,000 plays on this thing.
00:34:22
Speaker
And it looks brand spanking new.
00:34:24
Speaker
No temples, no wearing, no dust, no ball tracks.
00:34:27
Speaker
So as a guy who operates games, when I put out games that are a little older, I'd much rather put out a game with a hard top because it's less issue.
00:34:35
Speaker
Well, and I think a lot of people will see a pinball machine that is older because obviously you're going to have wear and tear on any machine before the 90s.
00:34:42
Speaker
I mean, you're still going to see wear and tear on the 90s machines, but because of Diamond Plate and other innovations that they did in the 90s, you don't see it as bad.
00:34:51
Speaker
So these 80s games that you want to pick up, but you look at it and you're like, oh, it's so roached out, like it's missing half the artwork.
00:34:59
Speaker
These hardtops are a really great viable option to do that, and it's not as much work, if I understand correctly, as it would be as replacing a full playfield.
00:35:07
Speaker
Correct.
00:35:11
Speaker
Don't you have to take the stuff off and put it on and repopulate the playfield, though?
00:35:16
Speaker
You have to take everything off the top.
00:35:19
Speaker
Like your slingshot brackets, you can drop those down low, your targets you can drop down below, but you don't necessarily have to take off all the things on the bottom.
00:35:28
Speaker
A lot of the mechs, the ground braid, a lot of the things on the bottom side can be left on.
00:35:34
Speaker
The challenge with that though is you're sanding the top of the playfield.
00:35:39
Speaker
So you wanna try to keep the dust out of the bottom and you wanna put a sealant over that before you put the hardtop down.
00:35:45
Speaker
Personally, I've never had to do one where I've only done half because I prototype them for him.
00:35:52
Speaker
I actually stripped the entire play field.
00:35:53
Speaker
I take everything off of mine.
00:35:55
Speaker
I'm the only poor sucker that has to do twice the work with everybody else.
00:35:59
Speaker
But it is easier.
00:36:02
Speaker
You can do it without having an extensive knowledge.
00:36:06
Speaker
If you know how to tear down the top of a play field, you can get it done.
00:36:10
Speaker
You don't have to worry about soldering ground braid and things like that on a bottom, which
00:36:14
Speaker
which makes it a little easier for people.
00:36:16
Speaker
I'm not going to say it's a ton easier, but it is definitely easier than doing a whole play field restoration.
00:36:22
Speaker
Definitely a better way to get your feet wet than the whole restoration, especially if you're nervous about, like you said, the soldering of the ground braids and whatnot.
00:36:30
Speaker
Agreed.
00:36:31
Speaker
What if your play field is actually warped or is uneven?
00:36:35
Speaker
Does the hard top actually even all that out?
00:36:38
Speaker
It does not.
00:36:40
Speaker
The hard top does not have
00:36:42
Speaker
that characteristic to it.
00:36:43
Speaker
If you're if your playfield's twisted, you put hard top on your playfield is going to be twisted with a hard top on.
Keith's Favorite Games
00:36:50
Speaker
So you said your your wheelhouse is the 90s games.
00:36:54
Speaker
So what is your favorite game and what was the first game that you remember playing ever that says I really like this?
00:37:04
Speaker
The first game I played way back when, I'm not going to tell my age, but anyway, was a Xenon at a bowling alley.
00:37:12
Speaker
A Xenon and a space station were actually the first two.
00:37:17
Speaker
And I'll be very honest with you, I did not play them a lot.
00:37:21
Speaker
I was very frustrated.
00:37:22
Speaker
I was not a good player.
00:37:23
Speaker
I'm still not a good player.
00:37:25
Speaker
So it was much easier to put a quarter in Space Invaders than put a
00:37:29
Speaker
50 cents or a quarter in one of those games and three seconds later, three balls drain and I'm like, what the heck is going on?
00:37:36
Speaker
So I've never really been a huge pinball guy up until about 12 years ago when I just started restoring them and then I've grown to really appreciate the art.
00:37:45
Speaker
I absolutely love, and I think that's why theater is one of my favorite games is just, I just love the entire art package that's with it.
00:37:55
Speaker
That's probably a bigger piece for me than actual playing.
00:37:59
Speaker
I play with a bunch of really great players down at the brewery.
00:38:04
Speaker
Alec, one of the top players in the country.
00:38:08
Speaker
He's 18 years old, and he just runs me over every time we're down there.
00:38:14
Speaker
John Tomsich is a big player here in Ohio.
00:38:16
Speaker
He plays in our group, too.
00:38:18
Speaker
They're great players, but for me, it's the art.
00:38:23
Speaker
That's where I enjoy the games more, the mechanics of them and getting my hands dirty in them.
00:38:29
Speaker
So what game are you playing the most right now?
00:38:31
Speaker
And what's the rarest game you have in your collection?
00:38:36
Speaker
I'm playing hell out of my Pirates of the Caribbean.
00:38:40
Speaker
I absolutely love that game.
00:38:42
Speaker
I have a collector's edition in my collection.
00:38:45
Speaker
I do have a Guns N' Roses, which I've been going back and forth between the two, but I tend to go back.
00:38:52
Speaker
Actually, the one I've been playing the most the last couple of months is Austin Powers.
00:38:59
Speaker
Really?
00:38:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:00
Speaker
I just, I picked it up a while ago and it takes me a while to understand the rule set of everything.
00:39:04
Speaker
And it's, it's a more simplistic game and I enjoy the call outs.
00:39:08
Speaker
I've been playing that a lot lately.
00:39:12
Speaker
You know, I haven't played Austin powers in a couple of years, but it's one of those.
00:39:17
Speaker
It's so bad.
00:39:20
Speaker
I played one.
00:39:21
Speaker
There is one here and I don't, I think there was one time where I was even two balls in and I was like, I'm done.
00:39:30
Speaker
I've never felt that way about Austin Powers, but I think it's because I've played Stern's Indiana Jones, and any game looks great compared to Stern Indiana Jones, in my opinion.
00:39:38
Speaker
I'm going to agree with you there.
00:39:43
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It just plays so long.
00:39:44
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It's the only game I think that I was wailing on, and I'm like, you know, I'm just going to walk away from this because I'm not enjoying myself.
00:39:52
Speaker
I tend to make a game just every once in a while, pick up like I have a Wizard of Oz.
00:39:57
Speaker
I haven't played it in six months and then I'll spend the next month playing it and then I'll move over to something else.
00:40:03
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So I don't tend to I tend to bounce around and then find something and try to get better at it, realize how terrible I am and then try another game and see if I do any better with that.
00:40:12
Speaker
Yeah, I am very similar.
00:40:14
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I'll play a game for about a month straight and then I'll kind of migrate over and play a different game.
00:40:19
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I'm getting to the point.
00:40:20
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I just, it's weird to me because I'll have like really good games for like a week and I'm just like, man, my skill must be getting better.
00:40:27
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And then there's a week where it's just total garbage.
00:40:29
Speaker
And I'm like, why do I even own pinball machines?
00:40:32
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You know, I just, I don't know what I'm doing apparently because I can't get anything stringed together.
00:40:38
Speaker
Anywho, so what's your favorite 90s game?
00:40:40
Speaker
You said that you're really into the 90s games.
00:40:43
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Obviously, Bally Williams was kind of the king back then.
00:40:46
Speaker
I didn't know.
00:40:46
Speaker
Is that kind of your genre is the Bally Williams?
00:40:51
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My absolute favorite game is Whitewater.
00:40:53
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Yes.
00:40:54
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So I absolutely love Whitewater.
00:40:58
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Theater of Magic is up there.
00:41:00
Speaker
Circus Voltaire is not bad.
00:41:03
Speaker
I really like Tales of the Arabian Nights.
00:41:05
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But even though I know it's a more shallow game, and it seems to me those are shallow games for the players, but I just enjoy them.
00:41:13
Speaker
The sounds, the call-outs, the art, the whole package to me.
00:41:16
Speaker
I love the flow of the J-pop games.
00:41:19
Speaker
I don't know if I'm allowed to say that name out loud.
00:41:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:23
Speaker
um the i like the flow of the games i i like when you know you take a shot it just rolls right around and comes back to catch you really smooth so yeah i've got world cup soccer was one of my very first games i ever had in my collection and it's still in my collection to this day just because the shots are fantastic it's once you get going on that game it's just an absolute blast yeah that's that's kind of where i'm at with the games also
00:41:47
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Yeah, my friend has a beautiful Circus of Voltaire, which I'm hoping he never sells it because I play that every time.
00:41:52
Speaker
And he also put the color DMD down.
00:41:56
Speaker
It just really makes the game feel completely modern and kind of a haunted circus type way, which is really... It's just a great game.
00:42:07
Speaker
And he also has a great whitewater too.
00:42:09
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So yes, every time I go over to his house, those are the two I typically play the most.
00:42:13
Speaker
But he also has...
00:42:15
Speaker
A Tales of the Arabian Nights, a Theater of Magic.
00:42:17
Speaker
So he has all those games.
00:42:19
Speaker
Yeah, it sounds like we're in that same wheelhouse of games we enjoy playing and keeping.
00:42:25
Speaker
So are there games that you that you have an itch for?
00:42:28
Speaker
Like, what is that game that you're looking to buy?
00:42:31
Speaker
Do you have any grail games out there?
00:42:33
Speaker
I actually I actually do not.
00:42:36
Speaker
I I. The first couple of years, I kind of went a little crazy in pinball and I bought and sold
00:42:43
Speaker
over 100 games in the first three years nice yeah it was it was kind of insane and uh literally my wife would come home and one day there were 11 games wrapped up that we had shipped over from the netherlands from i think it was penny uh we did a group buy on these things and she pulls in tries to get in the garage and looks at me says oh no no we're done here
00:43:06
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I promise I'll get them out of here, but I've, I've gone through a lot of games.
00:43:09
Speaker
Now I'm going back and actually enjoying the games.
00:43:11
Speaker
The problem was back then it was that whole, that hunt, that the next thing, the next thing.
00:43:17
Speaker
And I did that for a while and I finally calmed down and now I'm really enjoying the games.
00:43:21
Speaker
I'll, I'll take one game.
00:43:23
Speaker
Um, I, I won't play it till after I rip it apart and put it back together.
00:43:28
Speaker
And then I will spend a month enjoying that game.
00:43:30
Speaker
Uh,
00:43:33
Speaker
So, yeah, I don't have a grill game right now, to be honest with you.
00:43:37
Speaker
I think every pinhead kind of goes through that cycle, though.
00:43:41
Speaker
Like, you first get in the hobby, you realize how awesome it is.
00:43:45
Speaker
At least for me, we kind of live on the West Coast.
00:43:47
Speaker
There's not a ton of pinball machines out here.
00:43:49
Speaker
So as you start hitting some of these titles, especially the Ballywim's 90s games, it's a good bang for your buck, at least when I got into the hobby seven years ago.
00:43:59
Speaker
And it was like, I got to try every single game.
00:44:02
Speaker
And so you're kind of just buying up games just to play them.
00:44:06
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And then you get them in and you realize this isn't what I thought it would be.
00:44:10
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And so I kind of, I was kind of with you.
00:44:12
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I think I went through not as many as you, not 103 years, but I did, I did about 30 in the first two.
00:44:19
Speaker
And I finally got to the point where I was like, you know, I'm ready to start settling down and
00:44:24
Speaker
I'm done dating.
00:44:25
Speaker
I'm ready to settle down and start settling down with pins I want in my house for quite some time.
00:44:30
Speaker
Scott's kind of the same way, though.
00:44:32
Speaker
His collection hasn't changed up until this last year, and then apparently he's gotten rid of more than half of it.
00:44:37
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Yeah, my problem is I tend to find games that are really nice games, and so I tend not to want to sell one because I know if I sell that, I'm not going to find the same game again.
00:44:52
Speaker
I think that's everybody's issue when it goes to selling the games.
00:44:56
Speaker
You just, you always regret.
00:44:57
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know.
00:44:59
Speaker
It's just, again, I have a lot of friends.
00:45:02
Speaker
We've done the same thing, just buying and selling and buying and selling.
00:45:06
Speaker
And I was in such a tight group out here of people that were like that.
00:45:10
Speaker
And we would go to shows and, and,
00:45:13
Speaker
I'd come with six games.
00:45:14
Speaker
I'd go home with six different games.
00:45:16
Speaker
And, you know, my friend would take three and this guy would take two.
00:45:19
Speaker
And we just, we, we kind of did a lot of inner trading.
00:45:23
Speaker
Um, we just had this great click of guys that were great about, Hey, I'm done with this.
00:45:27
Speaker
You want to try it?
00:45:28
Speaker
So that made it a lot easier to do a lot of that.
00:45:31
Speaker
Um,
00:45:32
Speaker
So, but same, it's now I'm looking at games.
00:45:34
Speaker
I have a couple sitting there that they're beat to hell, but I have play fields.
00:45:38
Speaker
I have a Medusa sitting in the back.
00:45:40
Speaker
I have the art package, the play field, the plastics, and I'll just one day I'll rip it out and put it together and truly get the chance to enjoy the game because it'll play a hundred percent.
00:45:51
Speaker
It'll play solid, play strong and enjoy them that way, I guess.
00:45:56
Speaker
So.
00:45:57
Speaker
What was your favorite Game 3 store?
00:45:59
Speaker
I would say theater.
00:46:01
Speaker
That was probably about my third restoration.
Restoration Highlights
00:46:05
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The first big restoration I did was I did a funhouse, and I immediately sold it after I finished it.
00:46:13
Speaker
because I needed the money for the next game.
00:46:16
Speaker
And I regretted selling that because I never got to enjoy it.
00:46:19
Speaker
But then when I finally did my Theater of Magic, I went through and, of course, did the brass and, you know, all the side rails to it and did everything really nice on the game.
00:46:31
Speaker
And it's been in my collection for 10 years, and I still enjoy playing it.
00:46:37
Speaker
So that's probably been one of my favorites.
00:46:39
Speaker
I just finished a Monster Bash recently.
00:46:41
Speaker
That was kind of an interesting one.
00:46:43
Speaker
Because of the characters, it was kind of neat to do that.
00:46:47
Speaker
I'm looking forward to doing my whitewater.
00:46:49
Speaker
Right now it is torn apart and all the parts are out being plated.
00:46:52
Speaker
So I'm getting excited to put that back together and have an actual beautiful restored whitewater.
00:47:00
Speaker
Someone told me whitewater is one of the hardest ones to restore because there's so much plastic.
00:47:04
Speaker
It's got the most plastic on any game that's ever been made.
00:47:07
Speaker
Is that correct?
00:47:08
Speaker
Seven ramps on it.
00:47:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:09
Speaker
So it's tearing it apart.
00:47:11
Speaker
It was it was a little complex tearing it apart.
00:47:14
Speaker
So I'll let you know about putting it back together.
00:47:16
Speaker
I've done probably about six Adams families.
00:47:21
Speaker
um i've done a that's probably the one i've done the most but i've never done a total white water yet so i can't comment but i have heard the same thing that that's one of the more difficult ones but they're all they're all if you take photos and and you do it in stages and it's just what's going to take more time than than others some of the games just take a lot more time i'm trying to think there was one i just did recently that it took oh um indiana jones
00:47:48
Speaker
It takes forever.
00:47:50
Speaker
I've done three Indies and they just, they just take forever to put them back together.
00:47:56
Speaker
So just because there's so much on there with, with all the extra, you know, uh, max going into the games and things going on with the upper play field and the rotating, um, head on the other side, that that's one that by the time I get through one of those, I'm exhausted.
00:48:12
Speaker
I get you.
00:48:13
Speaker
About how long does it take?
00:48:14
Speaker
I usually have about a hundred hours in a game, maybe.
00:48:19
Speaker
Worst part of it for me is sanding the cabinets and painting the cabinets.
00:48:23
Speaker
Once the cabinets are painted, I cruise after that.
00:48:27
Speaker
I love putting artwork on the cabinets.
00:48:33
Speaker
top of the play field is always great because you just see all those colors popping through and your shiny metal that's the exciting pieces but painting them's terrible i literally have six cabinets that are ready to be painted now that i've purchased i actually buy new cabinets if the games are really really destroyed and they're just sitting in my garage and i just don't have time and desire to go paint them but eventually i'll have to man up
00:48:59
Speaker
You said that you barely just got into this hobby like 12 years ago, and it took a little bit to get into it, but it sounds like you're really taken to the
Contributions to the Pinball Community
00:49:05
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hobby.
00:49:05
Speaker
And obviously, you've helped promote the community and whatnot because you're doing this pin brew.
00:49:11
Speaker
I guess you probably want to get this show over with before you start focusing on next year, but do you have anything that you're hoping goal-wise to achieve from the show to progress to the next show?
00:49:22
Speaker
Um, I mean, yeah, I've re I'll be honest.
00:49:25
Speaker
I was up nights thinking about different things about the show.
00:49:30
Speaker
My biggest concern is always I want everybody to come.
00:49:32
Speaker
I want them all to have a good time.
00:49:34
Speaker
I want them leaving the show thinking it was a great time.
00:49:38
Speaker
The only thing I'm going to regret is I've always gone to Allentown with a bunch of guys.
00:49:44
Speaker
We take the booze bus.
00:49:45
Speaker
We have an RV camper.
00:49:46
Speaker
There's six to eight guys in this thing.
00:49:48
Speaker
We go to Ron Schuster's and spend the night there and then go to the show and buy games.
00:49:53
Speaker
And we're the guys that set the games up outside of the show under the awning at the RV.
00:49:59
Speaker
And we would play them till two in the morning in the parking lot when Allentown was closed for the day.
00:50:05
Speaker
I've been to a lot of shows like that, Chicago Expo, and there's all these people.
00:50:11
Speaker
I would hardly play pinball.
00:50:13
Speaker
I would just go, you know, BS with Butch.
00:50:15
Speaker
And, you know, he introduces me to people like David Thiel.
00:50:18
Speaker
And then I spent three hours and David Thiel's telling me about the 30 different fart sounds he made on Family Guy.
00:50:25
Speaker
And it's the...
00:50:27
Speaker
What I want out of the show is for everybody else to get out of the show.
00:50:30
Speaker
What I get out of going to other shows, just being able to go enjoy yourself.
00:50:34
Speaker
If you're, if you're a player having a good tournament, if you're just somebody like myself who just likes to mingle and, and socialize with your friends, that your friends are there to do that.
00:50:45
Speaker
Just leaving the show, you know, knowing they had good beer, they had good food.
00:50:50
Speaker
The games all played well and they're excited to come back next year.
00:50:54
Speaker
So you are a router too.
00:50:57
Speaker
You have games on location.
00:50:59
Speaker
I do.
00:51:00
Speaker
I have three.
00:51:03
Speaker
Well, actually, I only have two locations right now.
00:51:05
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Two breweries out here.
00:51:08
Speaker
Birdfish in Columbiana and Biker's Brewhouse, which is in Austintown.
00:51:12
Speaker
It's the only brewery inside a Harley-Davidson dealer in the United States.
00:51:17
Speaker
So I have some in there and I'm getting ready to do two more breweries.
00:51:22
Speaker
So
00:51:23
Speaker
They're all kind of the brewery guys out here are very unique.
00:51:26
Speaker
They all get along.
00:51:28
Speaker
They all work together.
00:51:29
Speaker
They collaborate beers and made some great friends and been asked to put games in certain places.
00:51:36
Speaker
And I'm trying not to turn this into another big business, but I can't say no to the good friends in the brewery business.
00:51:43
Speaker
What games get played the most?
00:51:46
Speaker
Oh, cool.
00:51:49
Speaker
Well, I have 20 games down at the one brewery and they all seem to do about the same because we expanded during COVID.
00:51:59
Speaker
Um, and I can't say that there's the go-to games.
00:52:03
Speaker
The new ones always get played a lot.
00:52:05
Speaker
I have a guns and roses out there.
00:52:08
Speaker
I have a led Zeppelin.
00:52:10
Speaker
Uh, the guns and roses are doing the best medieval always does well.
00:52:14
Speaker
And brewery people are different.
00:52:16
Speaker
I have friends that have them in different locations and they'll have a Willy Wonka that won't do very well at all.
00:52:21
Speaker
Mine does fantastic because brewery people, they bring their kids in.
00:52:25
Speaker
It's a different, different type of setup.
00:52:28
Speaker
They'll, they'll come in with their kids and play and sit and have a craft beer.
00:52:32
Speaker
So Willy Wonka does well.
00:52:33
Speaker
My attack from Mars, my Adams family kill it.
00:52:37
Speaker
Rick and Morty is doing very well.
00:52:41
Speaker
On average, they, they all seem to do very well, but,
00:52:44
Speaker
What does better than all of them?
00:52:45
Speaker
I hate to say it.
00:52:46
Speaker
I know it's a pinball show, but the ski ball does the best.
00:52:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:51
Speaker
Josh and I are on a group text thread with a lot of, I guess, people in pinball.
00:52:58
Speaker
And they had mentioned that a Raw Thrills game, like the Kong Raw Thrills game, was killing it on location because it's just, it's different.
00:53:09
Speaker
It's more of a, those type of things,
00:53:14
Speaker
they're the ones that make the money.
00:53:15
Speaker
Really, if you're doing pinball, it seems you're creating an environment in which everything else can thrive.
00:53:21
Speaker
So if you're serving food, if you're serving drinks, if you're just whatever, it seems like that's the event to go to, but really you're going to make your money off other things.
00:53:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:35
Speaker
Agreed.
00:53:37
Speaker
The pinball has...
00:53:39
Speaker
The brewery down there, they focus very much on having the pinball, and it's been a great thing to bring people in.
00:53:44
Speaker
It's just a good combination to get everybody in, and some of the other stuff does take off from that, the bowlers and things like that.
00:53:53
Speaker
In fact, I just finished a slugfest and put it down there, so I'm curious how that'll do because it's a two-player, kind of, it's not pinball, but it's a Williams, it has the same pinball boards.
00:54:06
Speaker
So we'll see how that does.
00:54:07
Speaker
It'll be interesting.
00:54:08
Speaker
Brewery crowds are different than other routes I'm learning.
00:54:11
Speaker
yeah you know and speaking of games that are that are slightly different than pinball or whatnot i tried a strikes and spares gottlieb uh last week or the week before i've never played that game before i don't know how it would hold up in a home collection but it was kind of enjoyable to play if if you've never played a strikes and spares essentially bowling but with pinball you use the pinballs to knock down the pins it wasn't too bad uh we had one down at the brewery they do a big show down there every year um
00:54:40
Speaker
Big Labrewski, they make a... That's a great name.
00:54:45
Speaker
Yeah, and it's a huge event for them, and they asked me to bring one in.
00:54:49
Speaker
I set one up, and I had a Strikes and Spares down there for a year and a half, and it started to die off, and I pulled it off, and my partner was going to take it and take it to his place.
00:54:58
Speaker
And then the one gentleman on Pinside that had the kit to turn it into a Lovski Strikes and Spares...
00:55:06
Speaker
I was able to order the kit, so next year we'll bring it back out for the actual Labruski Fest, and it'll be all decorated.
00:55:14
Speaker
Yeah, and it's unique.
00:55:17
Speaker
The balls are huge on that thing, though.
00:55:18
Speaker
Imagine playing pinball with those things.
00:55:20
Speaker
They're what, inch and three-eighths, maybe?
00:55:23
Speaker
They're larger than regular pinball.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yeah, they definitely are big, but it just was making me chuckle because what's weird to me is that you put so many balls into that game and you're only technically using two per frame, you know, three at most.
00:55:37
Speaker
I was like, why is there 10, 12 balls in this game?
00:55:42
Speaker
I was, that was, that was Gottlieb's answer to, um, Williams, uh, strike master when they came to their shuffle puck.
00:55:52
Speaker
That was their, their answer to that.
00:55:56
Speaker
So,
00:55:57
Speaker
Well, I looked one up on Pinside, and they don't go for a super amount of money.
00:56:00
Speaker
I mean, compared to pinball right now, but I mean, $1,200, $1,300, you're into a Strikes and Spares.
00:56:05
Speaker
You're not going to get the depth of gameplay, but it's pretty novelty.
00:56:08
Speaker
You know, it's pretty fun.
00:56:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:10
Speaker
I don't see it as much in a home collection, though.
00:56:13
Speaker
I don't know.
00:56:14
Speaker
If you have kids, younger kids, I think it would do well, but I don't see it as longevity in a home collection, especially for pinball people.
00:56:20
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:21
Speaker
That's probably why they made the Big Lebowski conversion for it.
00:56:25
Speaker
It has one of the most iconic backglasses, though.
00:56:29
Speaker
The Strikes and Spares.
00:56:30
Speaker
You're thinking of a different one.
00:56:32
Speaker
You're thinking of a... Oh, I'm thinking of the Bally one.
00:56:35
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:56:35
Speaker
I'm thinking of the Bally one.
00:56:37
Speaker
Yeah, the Bally with the redhead standing in the middle of it.
00:56:39
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:40
Speaker
That is very iconic.
00:56:42
Speaker
The one that Ryan Kaz from Australia said that was his girlfriend, all of his schoolmates growing up or something like that.
00:56:48
Speaker
Oh, nice.
00:56:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:51
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:56:52
Speaker
So I'm pulling this one up.
00:56:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:54
Speaker
This is, this is trash.
00:56:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:57
Speaker
Okay.
00:56:58
Speaker
All right.
00:56:58
Speaker
Now, now I'm with, uh, okay.
00:57:00
Speaker
That looks like it should be in a Rocky movie.
00:57:02
Speaker
Like 1980, that's, that's yeah.
00:57:06
Speaker
This looks terrible.
00:57:07
Speaker
With the Gottlieb strikes and spares or the, the, the Gottlieb one.
00:57:09
Speaker
Gotcha.
00:57:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:11
Speaker
There's a lot to it.
00:57:12
Speaker
So yeah.
00:57:13
Speaker
Wow.
00:57:15
Speaker
The sound clips were on par, I guess.
00:57:17
Speaker
You feel like you're actually making strikes.
00:57:19
Speaker
Oh, there you go.
00:57:22
Speaker
Which something better be on par if you're seriously... Yeah, it's just... It could have not been much to make those games.
00:57:28
Speaker
There's nothing to them besides the pins that go up.
00:57:31
Speaker
I mean, the play field's bare.
00:57:33
Speaker
Yeah, it was basically an excuse for people to drink beer and to do something.
00:57:36
Speaker
So this was before cell phone games.
00:57:39
Speaker
I want to go bowling, but I only want to use my middle fingers.
00:57:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:44
Speaker
Bowling is a little too much athletic activity for me.
00:57:47
Speaker
Is there something less that I could do?
Attending Pinbrew Fest
00:57:52
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Nice.
00:57:52
Speaker
Okay, so we want to make sure that everybody knows how to get a hold of you and how to go and see your show.
00:58:00
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So say where they can stay, how they can buy tickets, what days this is, and what location.
00:58:07
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Let's do a recap on that.
00:58:09
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Okay, so it's Ohio Pinbrew Fest, and our website is www.pinbrewfest.com.
00:58:19
Speaker
And on the website, we have everything laid out to where you can stay.
00:58:23
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There's several hotels, literally within a five minute walk, which is really good if you're planning on staying over and you're drinking craft beer all day.
00:58:33
Speaker
It is April 8th, 9th, and 10th.
00:58:35
Speaker
It is kid-friendly.
00:58:37
Speaker
We are doing everything we can and following all the guidelines to make it a safe and comfortable show for people.
00:58:45
Speaker
We obviously want everybody there to have a good time, be comfortable, enjoy the show, and come back next year.
00:58:51
Speaker
We're very thankful that we are picking up a lot of wonderful vendors.
00:58:55
Speaker
I think the show is going to make a nice footprint in Northeast Ohio for years to come.
00:59:01
Speaker
So we hope people will look us up, come enjoy the show and play some pinball.
00:59:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:07
Speaker
And that's a Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
00:59:09
Speaker
So it's a long weekend and you can go back home on Sunday and be back to work on Monday.
00:59:13
Speaker
So it's a great way.
00:59:16
Speaker
And yeah, go check out the website.
00:59:17
Speaker
I'm looking at the website now.
00:59:18
Speaker
There's always things to buy the tickets and find hotels and certainly reach out if you have that Kroll machine that you want to bring in and go ahead and check things out.
00:59:29
Speaker
Well, we appreciate you coming on, Keith.
00:59:32
Speaker
We're getting pretty close to our wrap-up time.
00:59:34
Speaker
So is there anything else you want to share with us before we shut you down for today?
00:59:39
Speaker
I don't think so.
00:59:40
Speaker
Outside of, we hope, down the road, maybe we'll get to talk to you guys in the coming out, seeing us at the show.
00:59:47
Speaker
Appreciate you having us on and helping us promote the first show as COVID goes away and pinball comes back.
00:59:56
Speaker
But thank you very much.
00:59:58
Speaker
I agree.
00:59:58
Speaker
Well, and we're hoping to get out there in the fall, just depending on how everything goes.
01:00:02
Speaker
I know that we've been asked to come out to Pinball Expo.
01:00:05
Speaker
So it'd be our first time, I think, East being – well, it'll be my first pinball show.
01:00:11
Speaker
I was planning on going to Texas Pinball Festival last year.
01:00:13
Speaker
We all know how that ended up.
01:00:14
Speaker
But I think this will be a fun experience.
01:00:20
Speaker
Well, I know it will be, but –
01:00:21
Speaker
No, absolutely.
01:00:22
Speaker
And certainly get things out there.
01:00:24
Speaker
And I think this is going to be a huge success because so many people are just itching to get out and they've been cooped up in their house for a year.
01:00:33
Speaker
And I really like that you're trying to do this in a responsible way and that there is a way of eating food and getting the drinks, but also making sure there's social distancing, hand washing, masks.
01:00:45
Speaker
I think that's a huge thing just to make people feel comfortable.
01:00:48
Speaker
So I really applaud you for everything you've been doing.
01:00:51
Speaker
well thank you i i appreciate that and again appreciate you having having me on to discuss the show heck yes we hope it we hope it goes well we hope that you you can do it from future you know a lot of shows are starting to go away so it's sad to see when they disappear but it's awesome to hear when new ones are coming up and so we want to support those because we know we like you said you've been putting in almost a year's worth of your time well more than that because you were playing on 2020
01:01:14
Speaker
And now that got pushed back to 2021.
01:01:16
Speaker
So you spent sleepless nights for the last two years trying to get this all put together.
01:01:20
Speaker
And so we want to support those that have spent a lot of their time just to help promote the hobby or the industry and the community at large.
01:01:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:28
Speaker
And we'd love to circle around with you too and, and find out how the show went.
01:01:32
Speaker
So we'll certainly reach out to you and make sure that more information from you.
01:01:38
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:01:39
Speaker
Thanks again, guys.
01:01:40
Speaker
And I'll talk to you.
01:01:42
Speaker
Hopefully when the show is over, we can tell you all the great things that happened and applaud you on your show.
01:01:48
Speaker
Okay.
01:01:48
Speaker
Sounds good, Keith.
01:01:49
Speaker
And Josh, if people want to reach out to us, what can they do?
01:01:52
Speaker
You can hit us up at loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.
01:01:55
Speaker
You can also hit us up on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, all at loser kid pinball.
01:02:01
Speaker
We are more than happy to listen to you or shoot the breeze about some pinball.
01:02:05
Speaker
And we're on SoundCloud, soundcloud.com slash loser kid pinball podcast.
01:02:09
Speaker
So what else you got for me, Scott?
01:02:11
Speaker
Did I miss something?
01:02:12
Speaker
That's pretty much it.
01:02:13
Speaker
We'll see everybody in about two weeks.
01:02:16
Speaker
Hold on to two seconds before we wrap it up entirely.
01:02:19
Speaker
So I wanted to talk about one thing really quick.
01:02:21
Speaker
I guess it's one or maybe two things.
01:02:23
Speaker
I just want to say thank you, especially to Super Awesome Pinball Show and Poor Man's Pinball Podcast this week.
Community Support and Personal Reflections
01:02:31
Speaker
They dealt with me when I was being a pain in the butt.
01:02:35
Speaker
And I really appreciate Ian and Franchie for helping me out this week.
01:02:39
Speaker
For those that don't know, I've had a really rough 12 months.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:44
Speaker
Yes and no.
01:02:46
Speaker
It's kind of a weird thing, but like I was telling Scott earlier, I've had a funeral every month for the last year now.
01:02:54
Speaker
And this week, I had a really rough time because my maternal grandmother was hospitalized and we didn't know if she'd make it or not.
01:03:03
Speaker
And so we put up a post and I was nervous to put it up because it wasn't political in nature, but it involved a politician.
01:03:12
Speaker
And I'm always nervous.
01:03:13
Speaker
I don't like to talk politics.
01:03:14
Speaker
It's not my cup of tea.
01:03:16
Speaker
I think it breeds more contempt than it does actually bringing people together anymore.
01:03:21
Speaker
But it's still something that I thought was kind of cool, especially where the email had said, like, we didn't realize there was so much to pinball and there was such a big world of it out there.
01:03:31
Speaker
And it's really opened our eyes to what could be out there.
01:03:33
Speaker
And so one thing kind of led to another issue.
01:03:37
Speaker
And long story short, like, uh, if Frenchie and Ian had reached out, uh, just, we got talking and I kind of told him what was going on in my week with my grandmother.
01:03:47
Speaker
And, um, it was just nice to, I guess, have some, some people to talk to.
01:03:52
Speaker
Um, I'm doing better now, but like I said, it's, it's been rough.
01:03:55
Speaker
We've had funerals for, you know, family members of the had had cancer and passed away, uh, had COVID passed away.
01:04:03
Speaker
uh, drug overdose, car accident.
01:04:05
Speaker
I mean, you name it, heart attack.
01:04:07
Speaker
Like it's happened to my family within the last 12 months.
01:04:10
Speaker
And so, uh, some people out there have known what's been going on in my life.
01:04:14
Speaker
And I appreciate those have listened, uh, uh, along with Christian line, Dr. Penn, uh, Jeff Teolis, Martin, Zach many, uh, Jeff Patterson.
01:04:23
Speaker
I mean, there's just a handful of people that have really reached out and, and listened to me.
01:04:28
Speaker
And I feel bad,
01:04:29
Speaker
I'm not the kind of person to share my feelings.
01:04:32
Speaker
Like it's been a year.
01:04:33
Speaker
This has all been going on.
01:04:34
Speaker
And this is the first time that I've been saying this on the podcast.
01:04:37
Speaker
I just, I don't feel like my life should be an open book.
01:04:40
Speaker
And so I don't usually share these things with people.
01:04:43
Speaker
And so it's been nice to have support behind the scenes with something that isn't, isn't pinball, but the community at large has helped me with it.
01:04:51
Speaker
So thank you to you guys.
01:04:52
Speaker
Like, you don't know how much you mean to me, especially Scott, like Scott's heard it all.
01:04:57
Speaker
Um,
01:04:58
Speaker
And, and I've just, man, I don't know what I do without you this past year.
01:05:00
Speaker
It's been, it's been great having you not only as my cohost, but as I would consider one of my best friends.
01:05:06
Speaker
So thank you, Scott.
01:05:07
Speaker
No problem.
01:05:08
Speaker
Glad and hopefully everything's on the mend and I think it's been a hard year for everybody including me.
01:05:13
Speaker
It's been challenging at work and just trying to get through it and we hope that this is a I guess a new opening to the year and hopefully this will you know with this pin brew we'll be able to kick things off and start to be able to get back to normal and to start having fun again.
01:05:29
Speaker
Yeah and I'm ready to get out and meet some you know I've made a lot of friends online and I'm ready to
01:05:33
Speaker
get out and have a burger with these people like keith and and uh and as we joke like a shirley temple or root beer with everyone else right well thanks again please uh please tune in in two weeks and uh we'll find something else to talk about we have a few guests lined up and we want to wish keith everything um on pin brew and hopefully everyone comes out and it's a great success