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The San Jose
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An incredible discovery off the coast of Columbia!
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Introduction to Season 3
00:00:31
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I always get chills every time. Well, it's very dramatic and it goes on for really long. So Dr. Tor, welcome to our listeners. Thank you. Talking Ship podcast. So this is our third season, but the first episode of the third season.
00:00:48
Speaker
Well, we got out from under the old recording contract. We can now freely share these. And I appreciate the fact that you were able to get us out of that. So it's season three, but I'm not sure we legally are allowed to re-share seasons one and two yet.
00:01:12
Speaker
Fair enough, well we want to do this in a very above board legal fashion and so we cannot release the first two seasons so be it.
Why are shipwrecks exciting?
00:01:22
Speaker
I'm guessing like within like maybe after 50 years they can release them. I don't know the rules. It's more just working it out with our former recording partner.
00:01:33
Speaker
But I believe our trustee, Lieutenant Lizzie, is looking into that. Can I just say, I have a giddy excitement. I always am more excited for the episodes where you tell me about a shipwreck that I know nothing about.
00:01:49
Speaker
which is one of those yeah yeah yeah well it's great that you say that because i feel the exact same way i i really don't know but in the opposite like i'd much prefer you to present the ship and bottom line is do you want to give a brief overview of what this podcast is all about for the new listeners obviously i'm hoping all the listeners from seasons one and two have
00:02:12
Speaker
Rejoin under this new buddy. You can find us. That's my big. It's daunting. You got the Internet. People find everything. But why don't you give us a quick description of what the heck this whole talking ship is?
How do shipwrecks preserve history?
00:02:28
Speaker
Yeah. Well, if there's one thing that I've discovered across the recent years, it's that you and I both love us a good shipwreck. Correct.
00:02:39
Speaker
And when I say love, we're not happy about any of these ships wrecking, but boy, no, no, no. Maybe if it were like a Nazi ship or something, then you make feel really good about it. And that actually could be a teaser for what's coming later this season, but continue. Oh, I thought you were going to say later this episode. Yeah, you don't have that kind of discovering a Nazi ship way down there somewhere.
00:03:04
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When I say we love us a good shipwreck, I mean we're fascinated by them. We gobble up any news story that pops up. We want to know all the details. If there are some silver coins, gold coins, if there's something
00:03:21
Speaker
shiny and valuable than boy, we're right in our wheelhouse. But if it's just some ceramics that once housed some olive oil or something, I can still work up some interest in that. Barely, yes. So we're just talking, each week we talk about a shipwreck. One of us does not know what shipwreck we're going to discuss. That's correct. And today you're going to tell me about
00:03:50
Speaker
a really great shipwreck.
The San Jose Shipwreck
00:03:52
Speaker
And I think before I tell you about the shipwreck, I think it's important to note that what is particularly fascinating to me about these shipwrecks is the fact that they typically sink into waters that keep them very well preserved, be it because of the temperature. I'm not a oceanographer by trade, but I do know that- By now, I feel like we're like junior
00:04:14
Speaker
Well, I mean, maybe we'd be awarded an honorary degree of some kind, but I think... We'll see. It's a dream of mine. Or just to go along with one of these expeditions. Yeah. But one of the things that I find so fascinating is the condition in which they find the objects. Like, sure, you've got your barnacles on the main boards of the exterior of the ship. They often find, like, perfectly preserved plates and things like that.
00:04:38
Speaker
Oh man, especially if it goes super deep or if it's some cold ass water, some fresh water, maybe. I think the salt water is a little more corrosive. Yes. But I think the point being is that unlike when battles are fought on land and they were fought 400 years ago,
00:04:59
Speaker
Hard to really be able to recreate what happened and get a true sense of what they were using, all the objects. In a shipwreck, you get the whole story. And it's almost like the whole frozen in time, even from 400 years ago, which is crazy. 400, I mean.
00:05:17
Speaker
A couple of the wrecks that we did season two to the end of season two were old. I mean, the couple thousand. Well, perhaps I was more just using that as a teaser into the first episode. Oh, hello. Hello. I see we just jump right. I agree with you. The time capsule aspect is unbelievable. Of course, there's the story around the ship and who was in it. These were real people on those ship.
00:05:43
Speaker
Well, you know, I also don't mind some drama over if you want to toss in a little bit of litigation over who has the rights to the ship, you know, the country or the country that it most recently left from or, you know, that that adds a layer that is sounds like maritime law.
00:06:03
Speaker
Because what's crazy is that none of these shipwrecks end up just then going right to the person that found them. So you're right that that's always a big part of uncovering sort of the whole spoils of the operation. You remember the girl, she was like in Norway or Sweden or something.
00:06:23
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with her family, and I think she was an American girl, and they were on vacation this summer in some lake, and she pulled up a, you know, she's waiting in the water. She pulls up a frickin' Viking sword from hundreds of years ago. Yes! Yes. I wonder what the rules are on that, because it depends on the country. Some places, it's like finders keepers. But I know in England, if you find a Viking horde, you gotta, there's, you gotta report it, you know. There's paperwork. There's a lot of paperwork.
00:06:52
Speaker
You're, you're, you're going down the right path or new list is that a lot of these shipwrecks have been discovered in the last, you know, 10, 15 years. So it's pretty recent. Now we're seeing like, there were a ton of ships that just went down. So it's like uncovering history. It's really amazing. Well, I think, I mean, obviously one of the granddaddy's of them all is the Titanic. And once they, once they locate that at that depth,
00:07:16
Speaker
I sort of felt like, all right, you know, the technology is getting to the point where nothing's off limits, you know? Crazy. I mean, it's not like you can, you know, go into the sky and see, you know, a World War II plane that was blown up. Like, it's just, that's not there anymore. But under the ocean, you get to see, it's just insane. I can't stay in the suspense. Okay, so here we go. And what I also want to say,
00:07:40
Speaker
We're going to get right into it, but it would be a funny episode if we just keep talking, but never actually talk about a real ship. You know, like just talk about how much we like talking about the ships. Anyways, let's get into it. Are you ready? I mean.
00:07:55
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To say that I have goosebumps. OK, but mask. Are you wearing any kind of nautical attire? Are you dressed for this or are you just wearing like your normal clothes? What do you what's interesting? What is your stance there? Own a ton of nautical attire. Well, you're probably dressed to be on a casual yacht like a guest, not a crew member, but like you could be a guest on a yacht. Sure. Theoretically. Sure. Which means you're wearing ocean attire. So let's get into it. And so this first ship that I want to talk to you about,
00:08:23
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I'm going to tell you the year that it went down first. Okay. It went down in 1708. Oh, Lord. Okay. 1708. Spanish Galleon. I really like where you're going with this, but now 1708 is what I'm telling you at 1708.
00:08:40
Speaker
So let's put some context into that. It was a leap year, okay? Good to know. So not a normal year, a leap year. That was the same year that Deborah Churchill, who was a British pickpocket and prostitute, was executed before a large crowd because she was an accomplice to murder. That's a separate story. The other interesting tidbit about 1708 before we get into the ship is
00:09:05
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Johann Sebastian Bach was appointed as the chamber musician and organist at the court of Weimar. Now, my final- Like an Epotism thing or did he have talent that- I'm wondering if actually he did know that other Bach. The Bachs were very well connected.
00:09:23
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But now the last tidbit to just put context around how long ago 1708 was. Peter Jefferson. I'm still just wigging out on Deborah Churchill. Do we think she's any relation to Winston? I did some cursory research and I did not find any connection. So now the last tidbit on 1708, it was the year that Peter Jefferson
00:09:44
Speaker
Father of us president thomas jefferson was okay that's seven and that's when the ship went down yeah that's some good context now this was the year his father was born gotcha crazy when those those spanish uh ships are
00:10:00
Speaker
getting out all over the world, right? And they're trying to start to plunder, you know, riches from indigenous cultures. 100% correct. And that's a perfect lead-in to the name of this ship, which is called the San Jose. Love it.
00:10:17
Speaker
So here you have a 64- No,
What caused the San Jose to sink?
00:10:21
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but it did have a sister ship, forget its name. The San Jose was a 64 gun, three masted galleon of the Spanish armada. Dude, Spanish galleon. You were right on time. Okay. It was launched in 1698. Now launched, for those of our new listeners, that's when they would put it in the water.
00:10:41
Speaker
Now, it sounds seaworthy. I mean, it's had some years under its belt. It's not a Titanic Titanic situation. Correct. It sunk in a battle with the Brits. Ooh. Yeah. And it was whole this whole during the War of the Spanish Succession. And so what happened was never heard of that. It was a flagship and they had some Spanish warships. They had some merchant vessels and they're all heading to Cartagena, Colombia.
00:11:10
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Hmm. OK. Now, on June, Lizzie's going to love this episode. Lizzie's got a kid down in Columbia, I think. Not only that, but she is very good with maps. So I'm guessing she could put something up on our web page, the show page. Now, we don't have that yet, but we're going to. And when we do, Lizzie's going to put the image. I'll be honest. So one good thing about the whole new fresh start on a new platform is maybe some upgrades in that department.
00:11:38
Speaker
I love the way you're thinking proactively trying to make things better. That's important. Our listeners deserve it. It's all about the listeners. Now on June 8th, they did encounter a British squadron near Baruch. This island of Baruch led to this battle that was called wagers action. Now what I find interesting is it's called wagers action because the Brit who was running things on that side's name was wager.
00:12:02
Speaker
And guess what, they won. That's why they named it after that guy. Yeah. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Let me just tell you one more thing. Yes, please. The powder magazines of the San Jose detonated during the battle. So the Brits were able to do that and it destroyed and sank the ship. Most of her crew, she had about 600 people aboard. Do you want to take a guess at how many survived? Of 600. 600 on that one ship, huh?
00:12:29
Speaker
OK, I'm going to go with this is like, you know, yeah, this is where I'd like to know how close we are to Cartagena. But I'm going to go with it was part of me is just south of Cartagena, like miles, not very far out. Still, you don't have to be very far off the coast for everybody to die. I am just going to go on the side of sadness and tragedy. But I'm going to say let's say 20 hardy souls survive and all the rest die.
00:12:59
Speaker
And you're totally in the ballpark. 11 people survived. Okay. And there was a big fire when it sank, before it sank. Do you think they had to push other people out of the way and push other people into the water? I'm guessing there's a lot of that. I don't want to dwell on it. That's the bummer. But the ship did sink into 600 meters of water, so it's very far down. 600 meters. 600 meters.
00:13:24
Speaker
I'm not on the metric system. Yeah, me neither. I'm going to let you do the ship itself was 45 meters long. Math wise, I'm sitting here just struggling with 600 minus 11. Well, hold on, but those ship itself was 45 meters long and it sunk into 600 meters. So there may be an equation where you could determine how many ship lengths it sunk. Maybe AI could figure that out.
00:13:49
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All right, but here's the interesting thing about this whole ship and why it's even more exotic. It was laden with gold, excuse me, gold, silver, emeralds. And let me tell you, this was discovered in 2015, so not that long ago, but let me tell you what the value of all of these jewels in gold collected in just this one ship. This is just one ship.
00:14:18
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I want you to take a guess as to the value, the estimated value of all of these jewels. Today's value. Today's value. It's going to be in the millions. I will say 50 million.
00:14:34
Speaker
It is loaded with an estimated $17 billion worth of gold, silver, and jewels. Wait, are we sure this was going from Spain to Colombia and not the reverse? Why were they sending a bunch of treasure to the new world?
00:14:51
Speaker
How are you going to pay for all that cocaine? Interesting. That's good thinking. Yeah. I mean, apparently the cocaine emeralds. Unbelievable in Colombia, but yeah. The reason I ask is I think Colombia is known for its, you know, some sweet emeralds down there.
00:15:09
Speaker
Totally. And I'm sure, you know, who knows? You know, there's more to the story. But what I want to tell you, which I think is also from a historical- Wait, will you give me that number again? Billion? How many billion? 17 billion. That blows most of what we ever talk about out of the water. That's correct.
00:15:27
Speaker
And so let me tell you that good, good, good pick to kick off the new season and the new. Well, it's a huge number. And the funny thing is what we referenced earlier around the preservation of items like delicate porcelain tableware found in mint condition, mint condition as Jack. Okay. Inscriptions, inscriptions discovered that led them to determine the manufacturing sites of the ship's cannons.
00:15:57
Speaker
from Seville and Cadiz in the year 1655. So it's insane. You can see the dates that the coins were minted. You can see everything. So it's the- Wait, so who gets this one? Who does this? Well, so here now you're going right to the legality behind this whole thing. Yeah. Because it is from- I don't know if I can get one of these things on eBay, one of these coins.
00:16:21
Speaker
Oh, even one of these porcelain cups. And again, once Lizzie posts the pictures, incredible. And incredible to think that the cannons were manufactured in 1655. Do you know what happened in 1655? I feel like there's a plague. There was a plague outbreak in Malta. 20 people died. You know, I'm just saying.
00:16:41
Speaker
people that is that a plague if that was a pretty big percentage of the population back this 1655 on Malta there are like 40 people there 20 died from the plague and it's also interesting 1655 happens to be the year that Pope Innocent the 10th died
00:16:59
Speaker
Great name for a Pope.
What happened to the San Jose's sister ships?
00:17:01
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Innocent. Love it. Innocent. And he was innocent the 10th. He's like my second favorite Pope Innocent. Pope Innocent the 10th? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there were some good ones, but he's not Pope Innocent the 3rd.
00:17:14
Speaker
Well, he's no Pope Alexander who succeeded him, and who cares about him? He was born Fabio Chigi. All right, but now getting back to the contested ownership, because we're talking about 17 billion. Would it be? It's a huge, as they say, international legal row. Uh-huh.
00:17:34
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I love it. Where in the Colombian government is going to go ahead and claim ownership because it was their Navy, ostensibly, that discovered it. However, it had been discovered 10 years earlier. Plus, it's a freaking stone's throw from their coast. You got that right. But now, hold on, what about the Brits who are saying like, well, wait a second, we sunk that ship. Well, I feel like they have their weakest point. Yeah, that one's not great.
00:17:57
Speaker
I feel like it's, you know, maybe go 50 50 between Spain and Colombia. That said, it is an interesting wrinkle with the treasure originating from the old world. Yes. So all that the Colombians really have is is right there next to him. Well, and that the Spanish came over there and wreaked havoc. This is true. Colombia's government has declared that the wreck and all its treasure belong to them.
00:18:27
Speaker
And it has as prospective salvagers to register their interest in recovering it. There you have that. So if we want to recover it, we have to register our interest. OK, but do they have like a website or a web address where we can register? Find all those contact information. Six hundred meters is it sounds deep, though, like I don't know what we're both certified to do, but I haven't even checked how maybe Apple Watch does it go that deep? I don't know, Lizzie.
00:18:55
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not sure I feel safe. I have an older model. I think it's like for a pool. I don't think I can go get this wreck. Yeah, so that's where it is right now. It's definitely in this. Oh, it hasn't all been brought up and cataloged in. It has not. No. So what they said, a spokesperson for the Colombian Navy said that the cannons, the coins, the gold bars, and the porcelain tableware,
00:19:23
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can be seen lying exposed on the sea floor in perfect condition. Are you shitting me? No. This is perfect condition. That's what I'm saying. How do you keep people... This is what I can never get over. How do you keep people from picking it clean once the work gets out? I think it's really difficult to get to, and they won't release exactly where it is.
00:19:45
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Yeah, but you don't got to be a rocket scientist. No, you just go to Cartagena and take a left. Like it's like, come on. Or just track where all the boats are going to or, you know, satellite imagery. I bet like just any old metal detector would pick that shit up. You don't need sophisticated ground equipment when you got 17 billion dollars worth of metal. I feel like we should go down there.
00:20:08
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It's pretty exciting. I mean, so 17 billion dollars plus all of the crazy inscriptions. Now, what I don't know is I'm looking to see how they would bring this stuff up because they have not recovered all of it. I mean, they must have brought a few items up just to show like. Well, they have photos, but the Colombian Navy supposedly is monitoring the site. And so monitoring slash, you know, siphoning off the top. Yes. So where are all these coins going?
00:20:37
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Um, so pretty exciting. Um, unbelievable. May I ask a question? This may be outside. This is first of all, it's exactly the kind of shipwreck I like, you know, shiny stuff. Yes. Um, a battle over who owns it now, but any idea about how the battle itself went overall. I mean, obviously it went very badly for the 589 who died.
00:21:03
Speaker
Did other ships go down? Is there other- Yes. Other ships went down, and they did discover two other ships right near the San Jose. Also Spanish, or some of the ships went down? Also Spanish. Part of that same fleet that was on its way to Cartagena. It sounds like the British had their way, naively speaking here. It doesn't sound like they had as severe losses.
00:21:28
Speaker
They did not. And that's why, again, it's named after the Brit who led the battle from that side. Wager. Wager. But that's not where that term comes from. It's not. But wager obviously didn't end up getting the treasure. Yeah. Well, I mean, dude, think of the limitations of technology. True. Hard to get down there back in those days.
00:21:52
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Yeah. And apparently the Spanish would try, they would use these archaic, like, um, I don't know if they did in this case, but you know, they would use these like archaic diving bell things that trap air in the diving bell. And then they would take more expendable members of their project, basically slaves and send them down in the diving bell. But anyway, okay, go ahead.
00:22:15
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Well, what I was going to say is in terms of the actual battle, the Spanish fleet, you know, with all these ships had arrived, it says on the evening of June 7th. Now, they set anchor and the next day by like three o'clock, they knew what was going on because Wager was moving in. So they didn't even have time to enjoy, you know, okay, we're almost here, this is great.
00:22:36
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They basically had to immediately take up defensive positions and get slaughtered. They were done. Yeah. You know, it went very quickly. And it was the son Joaquin, which was the sister ship that, uh, you know, went down two hours into the
Who owns shipwreck treasures?
00:22:51
Speaker
battle. Just imagine that moment when you're on the boat and the, uh, you have to call it a boat. Yeah. Dingy.
00:23:00
Speaker
You're on the dinghy... No, when you're on the ship and powder supplies go up, that must have been like, okay, now we're fucked. So screwed. I wonder what you do. Do you jump in the water and try to swim away? I don't know. Again, Lizzie has an image she can post to the site on illustration of Wager's battle. Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely jumping in the water. Yeah. No question. Yeah, you're just going for it.
00:23:27
Speaker
Yeah, because fires are breaking out and people are screaming. It's mayhem and it's not like the British are like, okay, stop firing. Who knows? There's more cannonballs coming in. Like I'm right. And they don't have guns, right? Like there were no guns back then. So like if you're swimming, they can't like shoot you.
00:23:44
Speaker
Yeah. I wonder what the shark population is like in that area. Yeah, probably not great. You don't want the USS Indianapolis vibe, you know, water for hours with the shark. You know, coincidentally, 1655, which is, you know, that's the year they made those cannons that were on this ship. Good year for cannons.
00:24:05
Speaker
Decent year for cannons and also an update on the Anglo-Spanish War. I just read this little tidbit. That was also the year of the invasion of Jamaica. It says forces of the English protectorate led by William Penn, which sounds familiar. Also, how can that be? I thought William Penn was a fucking Quaker. Why is he out leading war?
00:24:28
Speaker
be a different William Penn. Forces of the English Protectorate led by William Penn and Robert Venables capture the island of Jamaica from Spain. So the Brits were totally just like how stoked are the
00:24:43
Speaker
British forces, once they get established there in Jamaica, that's a great place to catch it. They're totally psyched. And isn't that the whole Robert Nester Marley situation? Wasn't it some Brit that impregnated his mother? Yeah, it was an admiral, like a vice admiral or something. So had they lost this battle in 1655, who knows?
00:25:04
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Right? We have no Rasta. Maybe no Bob Marley. Which, so again, when you consider the magnitude of these shipwrecks and what they uncover in terms of just that randomness, 1655, that could have changed everything. Any sense of
00:25:24
Speaker
Where we are in the tussle between these two countries. Are they deep into it or is it still all kind of preliminary? He said she said kind of vibes. It's very much. He said she said and it's going to be in litigation for quite some time. But you know what? I feel badly because we do have sponsors and not a problem. We have been waxing nostalgic here on the shipwreck, but we need to get to our sponsors. Fantastic.
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00:31:31
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Yeah. Hold on a second. A little suspicious. Wait a second here. We were only 10 minutes into that three hour session. The only reason I'm willing to cut her slack is she is being the conscientious sort that she is. She's usually the one trying to keep us on a little bit longer to cross the T's and dot the I's. And we're the ones who are trying to sort of eke out of
00:31:56
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a squirm out of doing more work. So she's a slacker, but I'm curious about that last stuff. You know what they should do? They should sell a second solution that allows you to tell whether you're being choppy streamed. Wow. Double dipping, so to speak. Yeah. And so then the next time we're going is he's cutting out. It's like, are you know, you know what's going on? Yeah.
00:32:22
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But then I don't know. I think that's a brilliant idea. And I think we should we should tell those guys because we know those guys. But here's the thing. Let's let's just consider this. And I'm not trying to get a piece of the action if it's like legitimately our idea to look at our agreement. But we do have a good relationship with those guys. But here's the thing. I like what you're saying about the choppy streams detector. Yeah. But but hold on. That's like, obviously, a premium feature because then you can see somebody. But is there another upgrade?
00:32:50
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And I think you know where I'm going with this. No. That enables you to block someone who has that feature to know if you're using choppy strings. Oh, man. To actually hide the fact that you're using choppy strings. What do you call it? There's your other million dollar idea. Yeah.
00:33:05
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What do you call that third tier? I don't know if you can call it. It reminds me of the Spanish and the British armadas going at it down there off the coast. Nice. Crazy stuff. Technical warfare. Mr. Torr, before we wrap up this episode. Yes. And God knows I could go on, because I mean, when you really think about what that treasure ship was holding. The feedback we've gotten. $17 billion.
00:33:30
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The feedback we've gotten is, uh, they appreciate when we don't go on. That's true. But the last thing I will tell you is because of the depth, and again, we're talking 600 years, do the math is far down there, but they said that the recovery is so expensive and complex.
00:33:47
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that to date no physical steps have been taken to salvage it. There's 17 billion. You can't get there for 17 billion dollars. I'm sorry, but what depth was the Titanic at? I mean, 600 meters. I don't get this. Yeah, it's like no steps have been taken. I would expect every crook with a rowboat would be out there taking a shot at this. So tempted. Dude, I cannot wait to see the photos.
00:34:11
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It's just insane. Okay, so next episode, and I'm not doing a teaser because we don't know what the next episode is. Oh, I do. Oh, you do, but I'm talking about you can't tell anyone. I'm not going to, but I mean, I could tease it. All right, give it a tease, but don't let people figure it out, if you know what I mean. Don't let internet sleuths go on and like, oh, I'm going to keep it general, but we're going way back in time.
00:34:36
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We're going away back in time here and we have a ship owner here who did not always behave himself. I'm just going to leave it at that. Yeah. Well preserved. Anything on it? Well preserved.
00:34:48
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Now we're starting to get into the area. If I give you information, you're going to be able to. It's exciting. It's exciting that you didn't answer that. Uh-huh. That's good. That's like a teaser. We learned a couple of things in the first two seasons. Fantastic. Yes, we did. And we're still learning, right? Like we're not, we don't ever claim to be at that final place of perfection.
00:35:08
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No, I mean, I would say that our second to last episode of season two was phenomenal. It's a freaking crime that we can't just put it on this platform, but we will get there. You think we will, honestly? Like, your legal mind, I think, could blow up.
00:35:26
Speaker
You know what I mean? Yeah. That season, that episode in particular could blow up. I mean, an ultimate, if I may use that word. Yes. Great word from season two. Second to last. Yes. From season... I mean, we do own the... That episode got off the frickin' rail.
00:35:43
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Well, also because Lizzie herself actually was out of control that night early. She was bouncing off the wall, but it was the excitement. Am I right? She was about to punch me. I mean, there were a couple.
00:35:56
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of twists where we thought we had wrapped it up. You were still calm. You remained calm. I mean, wow. Looking back, you know what I mean? Yeah. But you think the lawyers can get us to post that? I mean, it's really just like I said, it's a simple negotiation. It's just right now there.
00:36:18
Speaker
asking for an amount of money that even if this podcast one day became, you know, fricking Joe Rogan, it's like, well, hello, it could, if we could get episode that episode out. Yeah. All right. I don't know. Anyways, I agree. There's everything's fraught, very bad business for us to sit here and, um, well, first of all, our sponsors about our sponsors are with us and we're with them. No, but I mean, it's annoying for people to hear how good something was and then they don't get to hear it, but
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00:36:45
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whatever.
00:36:45
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Of course, but maybe if we had legions of Swifty type fans, they would. Yeah, they could just agitate for the resolution of the of our dispute with the original platform. I wonder if any judges listen to our podcast like a judge, you know, judge that could actually do something about this, maybe like maritime rule, like a judge, a judge could just rule something. Right. And then we can release it, you know, maybe. Interesting.
00:37:11
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I want to finish up by saying that was just a home run to start off the new season. Fantastic ship that it's $17 billion to me is just unbelievable. Unbelievable. Amazing. Like half of Twitter just sitting 600 meters below the ocean, right? Didn't you spend like $40 billion? You know what I'm going to be doing as soon as we wrap this up. Looking at the San Jose photos. And if only Lizzie could have posted them, but she will and we'll get there. All right.
00:37:39
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Doctor, I'm going to play our outro music. OK, let's do it on our first episode of season three. Super exciting. We'll see you what next week with you presenting a ship. That's correct. Enjoy.
00:38:06
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Okay.