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The NCAA Report Selection Sunday Special

S3 E8 ยท Talking Sports with Uncle Don
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Join Russ Robinson and Don Glenn as they discuss the NCAA 2023 Men's basketball tournament. going through all four regions and giving their final four Predictions.

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Introduction and Hosts Introduction

00:00:00
Speaker
This is Gateway City Sports. From Talking Sports on the Bleachers, it's the NCAA Report.
00:00:27
Speaker
Sit back and enjoy it, folks.
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Speaker
All right, this is the NCAA Report Selection Sunday Special. As always, I have my compadre to the right of me. Well, I guess he's actually in front of me on my screen. And the inimitable Russ Robinson, aka Uncle Frank. How you doing, Russ? I'm doing fine, Todd. Thanks. Hey, glad we could get this put together real quick. Yeah. All right.

South Region Teams and Surprises

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Speaker
Uh, well, this, the, the teams have been announced and, um, you know, I don't know if there's any surprises. I really haven't had a great opportunity. There's, there's a couple of names that I kind of looked at like what, um, in terms of their seating, but we'll, uh, we'll get this started off here. And, um, Leslie, so you want to, let's just go ahead and start with the South.
00:01:46
Speaker
So the number one seed in the South is Alabama and they're the number one overall seed. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. So I was I may be slightly surprised about that. Although I think winning the SEC is significant and they did win the SEC and the tournament. Maybe that was the maybe that was why I think you know we're produced.
00:02:11
Speaker
I saw something on, uh, on the, I was on CBS, uh, online that said, uh, uh, Kansas, uh, supposedly snubbed the FBI investigation of the NCAA or whenever that was, and it made the NCAA mad. So they stuck them. Um, they gave them the number three overall seed.
00:02:38
Speaker
Well, it could be. I know that Kansas has had this thing hanging over him for a while. Yeah. Well, they're spinning FBI investigation. I suspect they got handled pretty well in their tournament. Didn't they buy Texas and Texas win that big? No, I think I think actually.
00:02:58
Speaker
Let me double check the, but I think that was, I think Kansas actually won there. One, I don't know. I have to look. Well, let me, I'm going to pull things up here and just double check, but I, I was thinking of Kansas, I think won the regular season. Let me pull it up here and see if I can, let me see if I can find that. I'm looking right now myself here. That would have been yesterday.
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Speaker
Saturday. Yeah. Conference tournaments. Here it is. I got it. They did. They beat Texas BKU by 20 points in the in the tournament final. And so this is why it's where I'm going. And I don't know. Purdue won there. Purdue won. Barely barely, but they won. They won their conference in their tournament. Houston
00:03:57
Speaker
Well, you know, he maybe not. Houston won their conference, but they lost their tournament championship today to Memphis. So I was using that maybe as a reasoning for why Ken just got the number three seed. Well, but you might not worry. Well, using that, well, Purdue got the number four seed or the number four overall seed, so.
00:04:19
Speaker
Right. So I guess that doesn't, that doesn't line up very well. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Cause, uh, Houston got the number two Kansas, the number three overall and produce the number four overall. So let's go ahead and go to the South Bama gets the playing game. Yeah. And that is between, I had southeast Missouri state and, uh,
00:04:45
Speaker
Texas A&M Corpus Christi. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, a stalwart in NCAA basketball history. Yeah. We also won the Ohio Valley Conference. That's my alma mater. Oh, okay. And they haven't won. That's the first conference tournament championship OVC. They've won like 20 years. So it's only second time since they've been to vision one, they've gone to the NCAA tournament.
00:05:15
Speaker
They weren't supposed to win it. I think they were the third of four seed, but anyway, so there. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. So that, you know, you don't expect Alabama to have any problems advancing to the rail and think so. Yeah. One wouldn't think so advancing in that one, but then the eight, nine game, Maryland is the eight seed and West Virginia is the nine seed in that one.
00:05:44
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, you know, I don't know. You know, I don't know that, you know, Maryland comes from the ACC. They have a good team. I know. I know Maryland's out of the big 10. Maryland's out of the big 10. That's right. They're the big 10. They're the big 10 team. And that's right. They changed conferences a few years ago in West Virginia. You know, I hadn't heard that much about them this year. You know, they weren't, I don't think they were in the top 10s in the big 12. One of the top teams in the big 12.
00:06:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's not a lot of these schools done. We're not going to know a lot of details about it. No, I'm not going to pick what we can get. I listened to a couple of the selection shows and a couple of things online as they went out. So I've got a little bit of info, but not because as usual, they kind of glossed over all the as they deemed them unimportant

East Region Matchups

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games and moved on to the big ones. You're right.
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The five versus twelve game in the south region is San Diego State versus Charleston
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Speaker
And the guys, I think it was on ESPN, we're all over this one. I mean, one guy is saying, you can't wait to watch this game. And I'm like, okay, dudes, we're talking about two teams that nobody knows about. That's probably pretty good. Yeah, I saw that. They're pretty good. According to them, they're pretty good offensive team. Yeah. They thought this might be one that might be one of the better first round games.
00:07:14
Speaker
Yeah, and it could be. I mean Charleston. I mean Charleston and has had a history of making noise in the NCAA tournament. I know I know a number of years ago they they pull it. They were 13 and pulled an upset on somebody. I can't remember right. And they play there. There are a team that if you don't want to overlook, that's for sure. And then the number four seed in that region.
00:07:44
Speaker
is Virginia playing the 13 seed Furman. And I have to admit, I don't know much about Furman. I know Virginia beat us in that tournament we did out in Vegas earlier in the year. I know they're a pretty senior laden team. They're pretty experienced. Got a pretty couple of good guards. Shoot the ball really well. I don't know. I have to say, I don't know much about Foreman.
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Speaker
But I did hear the according to what they were saying on the TV. They've got a pretty good pretty good team of their own, right? They're saying this is another one. It could be a good game in a firm. It could actually pull the upset on. Well, you know, common sense or experience would tell us it should be Virginia's game, but you know. A four in 12. Sometimes there are there are unexpected wins in those in those conferences. Those games out, yeah.
00:08:43
Speaker
Uh, the six and 11 games, Creighton versus NC state. And I actually have seen a couple of Creighton's games on TV. They're scary. They can be a scary team. I like somebody. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Well, coach team. So yeah, very well. Yeah. Very well. Three games. The three versus 14 is Baylor and USC, Santa Barbara. Mm-hmm.
00:09:10
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We're talking another West team or a smaller West team that actually every year seems to make a noise somewhere in the tournament. But going up against Baylor, I don't know about that one. I think they may be maybe getting more than they can chew in that game. Right, right, right. Yeah, I think Baylor, when I pick my bracket, I'm sure it would have picked Baylor. Yeah, I'm not sure I'm picking the upset in that one.
00:09:36
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Then the next game is Missouri, the seven C versus Utah state, the 10 C. I did a cursory search on Utah state and, um, they look like they're pretty decent team. The guys on, uh, I believe that's what you see BS done their bracket, uh, special. And they were saying this is, should be a pretty high scoring game. They were saying this could get in the nineties.
00:09:59
Speaker
What an offensive team Missouri is, apparently Utah State's the same way. I haven't delved into rebounding margins or steals or who scores the most points or anything like that. I haven't had a chance, but it could be an entertaining game. It's a 7 and 10 game and a lot of times those are good games.
00:10:21
Speaker
I mean, I've found a lot of those games, you wouldn't think it'd be good games. Like you're, you're, you're, you're, uh, you know, you seven and 10s, you're three and 12s, you know, they turn out to be some of the better games in the tournament. Right. Exactly. So something, you know, eight, nine, seven, eight, nine, you know, eight, nine are always a good game. Yeah. I mean, then you got Arizona versus Princeton.
00:10:46
Speaker
I wonder, you have to wonder, does the Ivy League ever get tired of being the whipping boy for a number one and number two seed? Well, yeah, they always get slighted down there. Yeah. You know, and I actually heard on the CBS show.
00:11:04
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What are those analysts picky Princeton? Oh, really? Yeah, when I remember back in the 80 was it the 80s when when it was the the Princeton four corner offense, which is what spurred the shot clock in college basketball.
00:11:22
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And they, one year, I think they even made the sweet 16 and they, if I remember, yeah, they were, well, that one year they were a 15 and I think was, it was a, then the beat Georgetown that one year. Boy, I don't remember, Don, I just remember they kind of had the year where they surprised. Yeah. They had a year where they got, yeah, they made that. They made a couple of wins and people were like, wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Midwest Region Analysis

00:11:47
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But, uh, you know, Arizona is one of those teams. I think, I mean, now they're playing Princeton, so I don't, I don't think I have trouble with Princeton, but I think if you get to that Missouri, Arizona game.
00:11:57
Speaker
I don't, I would almost, I don't know. I would almost take an upset in there and take, take Missouri against Arizona because they, you know, they're, they're kind of an odd ball team. They, they, they, they don't have a great amount of, of, uh, experienced leadership, but the, but they're all kind of like juniors and sophomore. So they've got experience. You just don't know what kind of experience and, and how deep that playoff experience is for them.
00:12:23
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Yeah, I think Missouri is the type of team that they have to get in their offensive flow. They get in their flow and they're in some threes and they've got that going for them. They can beat about anyone in the country. I suppose it's possible. They certainly beat
00:12:43
Speaker
you know, handle Tennessee in the SEC tournament. And they gave Alabama as good a game as anyone did in the SEC tournament. I mean, Alabama blew out Texas A&M today, which really shocked me. But yeah, so they could get on the road. They get on the road for a couple of games. Yeah, they could. They might make it to the Sweet 16.
00:13:06
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But Utah State's such an unknown quantity to me. I just don't know what they're walking into and probably Utah State doesn't know what they're walking into against Missouri either. Oh, I can grant you that one for sure. I mean, I think Missouri is just one of those teams with all the seniors they've got on it and the way the gates is the coaches name, right?
00:13:28
Speaker
Yeah. The way Gates has those guys playing, I mean, they're playing with a lot of confidence. They've got a lot of swagger. You know, they're just a team that, that if you, if you try to look past them, they're going to blow right by you and then not even, not even think twice. Oh yeah. Right. You know, for sure. All right. So let's move on to, what would it go down to the East? It's right below the South. So we'll go to the East. Okay.
00:13:54
Speaker
All right. We got Purdue against either, uh, Texas Southern or fairly Dickinson. I really, uh, don't think either of those teams have a match for Zack Edie. No, no, I don't think it's even many teams do have a match for Zack Edie, but then you got Memphis versus Florida Atlantic. That may actually be a good game.
00:14:23
Speaker
Well, it could be that's that's a eight to nine. Yeah, that could be a good game. Memphis is not. It's a good team, but not a great team and they beat Houston today. So you know, I don't know. I do watch some of their games. Yeah, like I said, they're good and they, you know, FAU, they they might, you know, that's a game they could win. But you know, like you said, within eight and nine seasons, just so those are toss ups usually so.
00:14:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, usually toss ups, but I think, you know, like I said, Florida Atlantic is one of those teams that they just, you just don't know how they're going to play.
00:15:00
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they can, you know, they can jump up and bite you. Like I said, again, if you look past them and think, okay, well, we've got this game where, you know, for whatever reason, they can jump up and get past you in a hurry. That's for sure. Duke against Oral Roberts. Now Duke has been on a roll. Yes, they have. They're gaining momentum.
00:15:23
Speaker
It's a season went on. They weren't that, they weren't all that impressive early in the season coaching change, but yeah, they picked up and they won the ACC tournament. So they've, uh, so yeah, I think they're great. They're one of those teams you might want to keep an eye on. And it wasn't what I understand. It wasn't even a challenge in the ACC term. They just blew that thing. Yes. Yes. So, uh, I think, yeah, that's a team you might want to get that gets past, uh,
00:15:49
Speaker
You know, maybe makes a little bit of a run. So you just, I mean, I could see, dude, I could see Duke as far as. Yeah, I could say I can definitely survive to see him in the elite eight. And you know, if they catch the right matchup, I don't think final fours out of questions for Duke myself. Well, it should never be. And you know, do you know, they had the talent, right? Right. Right. And it's just a matter of, you know, whether this new coach, you know, if
00:16:15
Speaker
if he's uh he's learned a lot from mike shishinsky um you know and he was mashinsky's number number one aide the last few years we'll see duke will be interesting to follow to see how far they can how far they can go oh no doubt about that one yeah next was up is tennessee versus louisiana right i think tennessee to me tennessee is stalling out a bit oh really they were a top five team
00:16:44
Speaker
for so much of the year, Don, and the last few couple of weeks, I just haven't had it. Of course, they lost to Missouri at home on a last second shot, but they lost, but Missouri kind of took that game over, came from behind to win it.
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So

West Region Analysis

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I, you know, I'm just not basing on that, but it seems like they're stalling out a little bit. I don't know how good Louisiana is. I think they're a Sunbelt team. I'm not sure. I think so. I think you're right there. Yeah. But you know, I would, I wouldn't expect Tennessee to get farther than because after this, they play Duke. They would play Duke in their next game up for sure.
00:17:19
Speaker
I would just say it's not a, you know, I just say Tennessee's not a team I expect to get very far this year. You know, maybe they get past Louisiana, but if they come up against Duke, I just don't see them getting very far.
00:17:33
Speaker
I, I, I, I agree with that for sure. All right. Then we've got Kentucky versus Providence and a Providence is another one of those teams. They're one of those East coast teams. You just don't know that much about, again, I've seen a game or so there. And they've got, they've got some skills. I don't know if that's enough, if it's going to be enough to take a Kentucky, but then again, I'm not sure how well Kentucky has been playing as of late.
00:17:59
Speaker
Well, you know, they've had some really good games. It's like they've had some games they've struggled in. Yeah, I guess it depends what team shows up for Kentucky and on back to back days.
00:18:12
Speaker
You know, I know they get past Providence. They would probably be playing Kansas State. They're not one of the better teams in the Big 12, but they're a good team. I'm just not sure Kentucky can put too many back-to-back good games together to get very far. I haven't seen it all year. I know they were struggling earlier in the year, and then they kind of pulled it together, and then they get beat by someone. Yeah, I just don't have a lot of
00:18:37
Speaker
I just don't see Kentucky being one of the teams going very far this year. I don't see them. I really don't know if they can even make the sweet 16 this year. So it seems like they've stalled outside. So, you know, they were the number that finished third in the SEC. Right. And they didn't even make the, they didn't make the semi-finals. They got beat by Vanderbilt, I believe, if my memory is correct. I think you're right. So I'm just not, I'm not expecting much there.
00:19:06
Speaker
All right. Well, then that brings us to you mentioned that brings us up to the Kansas state Montana state game. Well.
00:19:17
Speaker
Who knows anything about Montana State? I mean, you're, uh, uh, we're, we're big 10 SEC people and, and, you know, Kansas state, I guess would be the one you you'd have to go with it. Big 12 is a deep basketball college basketball conference. You need big 12 team that makes it in and you have to take seriously. So.
00:19:37
Speaker
You know, someone, one of these teams, a Montana state or an oral Roberts or a, or someone is going to win a big game in the first round. You know, it's going to upset, but we just don't know who that is. But you know, when I make my bracket out, I'm going to go with Kansas state. Yeah. I don't think I don't see any reason why you shouldn't. I was like, tell you that right now. Uh, you know, for sure. Now we're looking at, uh, Michigan state and USC.
00:20:07
Speaker
You know, in a couple of years, they won't be able to do this game. They'll have to put them in different brackets. Yeah, that's right.
00:20:15
Speaker
Michigan State hasn't been Michigan State this year. I mean, when it came to- They've been odd. They've really been odd. I mean, 11 and eight in conference, they win a game, they lose a game. I don't think they've really put anything together as far as their schedule goes.
00:20:39
Speaker
You know, they, like I said, it's, it's pretty much, you know, no real strong, they had a good strong winning streak coming out of their non-conference and they got about the first four, three games into the big 10 and then lost four out of their next six.
00:20:56
Speaker
of course two of those were to Purdue so you got it you know you get them a little bit of got them a little bit of slack there but yeah they really haven't played uh like a like a Tom Izzo team I mean um not something you you normally see out of them they've in a lot of respects they're kind of like almost arrested a big 10 if you're not Purdue Northwestern or Indiana
00:21:15
Speaker
They've just been very inconsistent with what they've been because the start of the season you didn't see much Adam and then they started off and then they went then they went cold and then they picked it back up again.
00:21:30
Speaker
They just kind of went off and on all season. So in USC, I mean, they've been want to say they've been fairly solid all year. I mean, they haven't turned any great numbers in, but they've been, you know, they haven't, they haven't embarrassed themselves for any stretch. I don't think, uh, I know they're not in the top 25, but, uh,
00:21:51
Speaker
I mean, I'm gonna just because I'm the big 10 guy right now, I'll say Michigan State probably does win that game, but it could be one of those upsets you have to look at down the road.
00:22:03
Speaker
Well, it's a, it's probably not a major upset if it is. I mean, I don't know. No, I wouldn't say so. No. Then you've got a Marquette Vermont and the Marquette I think is really good. And I just don't see Vermont hanging in there. Shaka smart is, you know, the went there a couple of years ago and he's kind of read, revitalize that program there. Marquette's traditionally a pretty good one.
00:22:31
Speaker
But I'll go with Marquette. I won't think twice about it. In fact, I think if Marquette gets, they'll win that game.

Tournament Predictions and Advertisements

00:22:40
Speaker
And I think they'll beat the winner of Michigan State in USC. I think they're a sweet 16-bound team is what I think.
00:22:45
Speaker
Yeah, they're the two seat. Um, I'm thinking in this bracket. Um, I mean, you kind of almost by virtue of just who they are. You want to say Purdue probably has the inside track to make the final four on this one, but like you said,
00:23:01
Speaker
Duke has been very hot. I wouldn't count them out. And I wouldn't actually count Memphis out either of taking down Purdue, which would then open up that whole bottom, that whole bottom section up would then be, be able, I mean, to slip in there, maybe get into a final four. I'm thinking maybe like a, like a Kansas state, like a Michigan, Michigan State, if they can get past, like you said, if they didn't get past Marquette, what, how do you see it?
00:23:29
Speaker
I think Duke could go, yeah, sure, I think Duke could win this region. Absolutely. I think once you get past, you know, I would say Duke, Marquette, and Purdue, I mean, those would be the three, I would say any three of those, in my opinion, could win it. You know, of course, you could get a surprise, but that's just, I think,
00:23:50
Speaker
Based on what I've seen, that would be my three to get all the way through. Yeah, no doubt. And so it's, I think, Marty, so they could be a real threat to Purdue. Yeah, no doubt about that.
00:24:06
Speaker
Well, I'll tell you what, you know, all these, all these tournament brackets, I mean, you know, cause I'm, I'll tell you what, I'm going to be stressing out the next three or four days. I can tell you that cause I usually fell about maybe four or five brackets, you know, sometimes, sometimes you'd get them filling those out. You almost rather been by, been out buying a car because I'm going to tell you this at fifth street motors, you know, Russ, they take the stress out of buying a car.
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00:25:02
Speaker
Again, that's 573-259-1306 and tell them Don Glenn from Talking Sports on the Bleachers sent you. All right. And now let's, I'll tell you what, uh, you want to go Midwest or you want to go to the West? Uh, let's, uh, let's go Midwest or go back to the top of the page. Go back to the top of the page. All right. What's that? Go ahead.
00:25:27
Speaker
That's why it works on my ESPN. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. All right. So we got Houston and Northern Kentucky. Houston's one of those teams that, uh, after last year, I mean, I thought they were very, they were given a lousy seed last year. I thought they were definitely higher than what they, what the seed they were given. I think they were given like a, what a seven or an eight, something like that.
00:25:52
Speaker
Um, and I, I just think they were given a lot of this year. I think they may have seen them a little high. I think it could be because they won the, uh, just the American athletic conference. Is that the one they won? Is that their conference? Um, I think so. Yeah. They beat, they lost to Memphis today in the championship game. Yeah. Uh, you know, they've been a top five team. So, you know, I'm not overwhelmed with Houston.
00:26:19
Speaker
Uh, so, you know, if there's a one seed that's going to fall, you know, it would Houston would be my pick. That would be my pick of the one season that would fall now, not make it to the final four. Yeah. Yeah. I doubt they're going to fall in the first round, but that next round may catch them. That's for sure. They got a place. I'll wear Auburn and Auburn's good. And I was pretty good. So, you know, I don't know how they can, uh,
00:26:49
Speaker
If they survive that and then to go to the sweet 16, they would be looking like they'd be playing. I think if they can get out of their little sub region there, I think that they are that they're definitely an elite 18.
00:27:02
Speaker
Oh, cause I don't see Miami Drake, Indiana or Kent state really given Houston that much of a, of a, you don't think, well, you can, you don't think, uh, Indiana can, uh, I think, I mean, Indiana could cause they, they, they jumped up and beaten a couple of teams this year, but, um,
00:27:20
Speaker
I just there's a lot of holes in their game that I think Houston might be able to exploit. So I mean, I don't know. I haven't watched Houston that much. I'm just kind of going off what reports I've got. So we'll have to see on that one. But, you know, I think the probably the toughest game, the toughest two teams they're going to try, they'll have to deal with, I think at least to me or our Iowa and Auburn.
00:27:44
Speaker
I think that game is going to trip him up, if anything, because I think once they get past that one, I think their confidence will be up enough that I think they could they can handle. Like I said, they're Indiana's got a couple holes, you know, they they're they're not a really good perimeter team, but they can hit it if you're not if you're not paying attention to them. And one thing I have heard about Houston is they do have a pretty decent perimeter defense that can be it actually could be a good game if they end up meeting up.
00:28:12
Speaker
Right. So going on further down Miami Drake, that's a five 12 game. Uh, I don't know much about either team. So I'll, if you know anything, let me know. No, I don't, you know, when I fixed my, unless I hear someone, I fixed my bracket. I'll probably go with Miami. Yeah. Kind of go with the teams. You know, you can't go with the conference in a situation like that. Drake's the Missouri Valley champion, I think.
00:28:40
Speaker
And Drake's a pretty good, and you know, Missouri Valley is a pretty good basketball conference. Um, so yeah, it wouldn't be unheard of a Missouri Valley team make it to the second round, but you know, uh, not knowing much more likely I'm going to pick Miami on that. Well, let's see. Yeah. It looks like Drake was the Missouri Valley champion. Yeah. They're actually them in Miami. They're pretty, pretty equal as far as the major stats go. Uh,
00:29:08
Speaker
So that, you know, that could end up being a pretty decent little ball game for it's all said and done. Yeah. It's one, it's one of those games that, uh, you want to pick the upset on, but you just don't know which 512 you want to pick. And you know, there's going to be some upsets in that first round.
00:29:27
Speaker
Oh yeah, you definitely, and that's always the hard thing for me when I do my back, my brackets is trying to come up with, with, figure out those, those, uh, uh, five 12 upsets and whatnot. You know, it's just always kind of the, the, the, the hard part for me, if you will.
00:29:44
Speaker
All right, then we got, as we were talking, Indiana Kent State. Yeah, I'm not sure Kent State is going to give Indiana a problem. Trace Jackson Davis, he's a really, really good player. But if you can control him, if you can keep him somewhat contained and then play a decent perimeter defense, Indiana is beatable. Right.
00:30:07
Speaker
And I, but I don't know, I don't know if Kent State's got anybody that can, that can handle, uh, I'm pretty sure they don't have anybody that can handle trace Jackson, they trace Jackson Davis one-on-one. Uh, they may have to resort to a, uh, like a box and one or something like that to trying to collapse on him if they need to. Well, you know, I'll probably go with Indiana once again on that one. Uh, I've seen India play a few games, you know, I probably go with that kind of goes that way. Um,
00:30:37
Speaker
going down to the next one. Yeah. Mississippi State pit is to play in to play Iowa State. That might be an interesting bracket to keep an eye on, because the pit's pretty, I think it's good. And I think Mississippi State, I've seen them play, and they can play very well. And then the goal against Iowa State, the winner of that game that faces up against Iowa State, that's when you might want to keep your eye on.
00:31:08
Speaker
And that might be one of my upset specials when I start going through my bracket, because you've got to pick some upsets got to take a chance. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of with you on that. I think if you're looking at it, common sense is take Iowa state, they're the higher seed, but you know, this is either one Mississippi state or pit, either one of those is an 11 seed. You don't want to play. I mean, right.
00:31:34
Speaker
That's Mississippi State's played pretty well in the live part of the SEC season. So you know, I'm I'm you know, I would probably. Pick, you know, I'm not pick them as much special to get to the round of 32. OK, so then we got Xavier and Kennesaw State for some reason I've seen a lot of those East Coast games in that in that was Atlantic 10. Yeah.
00:32:01
Speaker
You know, and I've, I've seen Xavier play a game or two and it, they're not a bad team. Uh, I'm not sure there are three, I, I think I might've would've had a, maybe a four or five. Yeah. Um, but, uh, you know, they're good. I mean, they, they're fast. So, you know, I, I think that's a team that especially against some of the lower seat seeds can do well. Now, when they start getting further in and they start facing, you know, say, uh, uh,
00:32:31
Speaker
Texas A&M or a Texas, you know, then I think, you know, they may get tested there. Their speed may not be that much of a, an advantage if you will. So Texas A&M Penn State, you know, all I want, here's what I want. I want Penn State to get destroyed in this game. I want, I want those, I want this game to be 75 to nothing. I mean, Texas A&M is
00:33:00
Speaker
It's after a rough December turned out a really good and finished second in the SEC behind Alabama. Yeah, I was surprised it got handled by Alabama today as well as much as they did. I thought they would put up. I thought that'd be a really close game. Missouri play Texas A&M once in College Station and once in Columbia. They didn't come close to beating them. Buzz Williams. Williamson, I think his name is a good coach.
00:33:27
Speaker
I think that'll be a, you know, I'll probably go with Texas A&M, but that could be a real good game. You know, I don't know. Didn't I say Penn State was in the big 12 championship game today. Weren't they? Yeah. Well, it was Penn State. They, they beat Illinois. They, they were, they were the 10 seed in the tournament. They beat Illinois in the first game. Then

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00:33:48
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they turned around and beat the number three seed in, um, or excuse me, the number two seed in Indiana.
00:33:55
Speaker
And then beat the number three seed, excuse me, two seed Northwestern, three seed Indiana. And they almost, if it hadn't been for a little bit of a mix up on the ball handling, so to speak, they almost beat Purdue today.
00:34:15
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, you know, they, they were down six with, with, uh, I need less than, or yeah, something like that with less than 30 seconds to play. And with 10 seconds to go, they were down one with the ball on their end of the floor. I mean,
00:34:32
Speaker
That's just that's crazy right there. So, you know, which is just goes back to another thing. I'm getting a little bit back to produce is Purdue is very susceptible to teams that can get a right. If you can get a run on Purdue, you can take them down and teams like Penn State.
00:34:50
Speaker
that have and again i'm going to go back to this where they're they're they're a senior laden team they've got a lot of old guys uh you know much like missouri much like a virginia much like maryland they don't rattle very easy and you know so i don't think they're going to be
00:35:08
Speaker
worried about Texas A&M. Now I don't think they can beat Texas A&M. I think Texas A&M is just a little bit better. But then again, I didn't expect them to come within a point of Purdue. So you don't know what you're getting with that. Well, you don't know. Texas and Colgate, I don't think there's much of a reason to have much of a conversation there. Colgate makes good toothpaste. They don't play good basketball. Yeah. That's odd.
00:35:33
Speaker
I don't expect much there. It could be Texas and Texas A&M, which are two schools that hate each other. That could be an interesting matchup. That could be a very interesting matchup. Texas seems to be, they've got a really good team this year. Their coach got into trouble. They share for personal issues and they let them go. And the assistant coaches, they haven't missed a step since he took over. So, you know, I,
00:36:00
Speaker
You know, Texas could be one of their two seed. They could be one of those guys that could slip through, you know, make to the final four. I really believe that. I mean, it's certainly possible. Why? Yeah. I mean, they're about, they're one of the.
00:36:15
Speaker
If I had to have my favorite for a final 14 out of the, out of the Midwest, I think it is Texas for me. Um, I think it, I think it's Texas. Uh, I think then Houston after that, I'll take my chances. I, I, I, cause I really.
00:36:33
Speaker
this this region just i mean it just seems it seems like there's just not many obvious choices or or or you know thing you know like you said the texas colgate houston northern kentucky but i think everybody everything else now maybe indiana kent states
00:36:51
Speaker
Not such a, such a, such a contested game and Xavier Kennesaw. But, uh, you know, you, like I said, we, we talked about Texas ain't in Penn state. That I think could be a pickup game. I think, uh, I, of course, Iowa Auburn to pick a Miami Drake. So, you know, I think, uh, Houston and, and, and Kansas are probably the two, I, if you want to say legitimate favorites that, you know, if I had to take a dark horse, probably Xavier.
00:37:18
Speaker
Xavier Xavier or Iowa state, maybe as my dark horse. Okay. Okay. So moving on to the last region, the West, Kansas and Howard. I mean, that, I mean, that's kind of like Texas and Colgate. I don't think there's any much to discuss on that one. And I don't know. I think the next game of Arkansas, Illinois, I'll be a, that'll be an interesting game and whoever.
00:37:42
Speaker
Whoever gets to play Kansas, that'll be an interesting game. Well, I think, yeah, I think in the Arkansas, Illinois game, I looked it up a little bit, kind of like you did with the Missouri and Illinois has got the, got one advantage in this game in that if they can play their, uh, hounding style of defense that they like to play, uh, they can probably run away with this game because Arkansas has an 18.9% turnover rate. Yeah. They haven't played up to par this year.
00:38:12
Speaker
uh, and their coaches, I mean, they've been, it's been a frustrated season for them. I think it's been somewhat frustration, frustrated for Illinois. Oh, this maybe made the lead eight the last two years in a row. And I think they were expecting to be, uh, you know, content for the sec title against, uh, Alabama or, um, or Tennessee and Kentucky. I thought they thought they'd be contenders and they just, you know, they finished eight and 10 in the conference. And then they got beat by, um,
00:38:42
Speaker
see who Kentucky, who beat them. I forgot who beat them in the, uh, Texas A&M. I think beat them anyway there. So it's been a frustrating season for Arkansas. Uh, that game, I think could be a real knockout drag out.
00:39:00
Speaker
Don, I really do. Oh yeah. I mean, I think, uh, it was, it was either ESPN or maybe a CBS, uh, online that said, uh, one of the guys said, uh, when he commented on his game, he says, he said, this game's going to is wide open. Either team could win it by 25 points. Yeah. Yeah. They could, they could get on a roll. That's right. Well, and I think for Illinois, what's going to be, what's going to be big for Illinois is.
00:39:27
Speaker
The last three or four weeks, and I'm not trying to use this as an excuse for anybody thinking I'm trying to say, this is why Illinois had a bad record the last five games. But the last four or five games, they've had a different person out. I mean, they've had like three guys out with concussions in the last month. So I mean, that doesn't help. It doesn't help your continuity any.
00:39:50
Speaker
And, uh, you know, I'm, I'm working on an article right now about Illinois and a couple of things that I've noticed is that, you know, people are talking about the three point shooting and, you know, this team shot very well from three last year. But then again, a lot of those guys that shot very well aren't here anymore.
00:40:05
Speaker
Right. Um, you know, when you talk about, uh, DeMonte Williams and Alphonso Plummer and Jacob Granderson, you know, those guys are gone. And, um, you know, you've got some kids and Luke Goody has been out all year, except where he just came back about a month ago. Um, so I think maybe, you know, this, this, this time off after getting bounced in the first, in their, in their first game of the big pin big 10 tournament.
00:40:31
Speaker
I think using this time to get at some guys, you know, healthy from the concussion protocol status, get some rest on some guys, get Luke, uh, get him some more road work, indicate his stamina back up. I think Illinois can make the sweet 16. I really think they can.
00:40:50
Speaker
But they could also be out in the first round. Right. I mean, that's what you're going to get with Illinois. You're going to get a team that's going to play hard and pull out a game, pull out a game, pull out a game. Or you're going to get a team that, like they did against Purdue, not show up the first half, be 25 points down, and then have to rally and fall short by two or three points. So, you know, it's. I'm thirsty. I think that's when this game plays. Yes. Well, I'm pretty sure it does.
00:41:20
Speaker
in Missouri and Utah State plays. If Missouri and Utah State is not playing at the time, I'll be watching Arkansas. Yeah, I will be. I'll be watching. I'll be. Well, I'll be glued to try to the maybe a couple of different going back and forth with a couple of different channels. Yeah, exactly. The next game up is St. Mary's and VCU. St. Mary's intrigues me. Well, St. Mary's is the the also rained a Gonzaga in that.
00:41:50
Speaker
conference. What is that? The West Coast Conference. West Coast Conference and they've always been also the second team next to Gonzaga. I don't know they've ever gone very deep on in the NCAA tournament. Yeah, same race fan may correct me on that. I saw Virginia Commonwealth play. I think they played their championship game today. I can't remember this last night or today and they won.
00:42:15
Speaker
I'm probably gonna pick BCU in that game. I don't know a lot about either one of them, but I have seen BCU play. And I just know that St. Mary's is always the second, finishes second to Gonzaga. I just don't have a lot of faith that they're gonna go very deep, but I think BCU could win a game, maybe two games. I mean, they'd have to get past UConn in the next round if UConn won, but that's the way I'm going.
00:42:43
Speaker
I said, I haven't seen either. I actually haven't seen either one play, but I was kind of following St. Mary's early cause I had them on one of my podcasts as a, in my, uh, under further review section where it's kind of like, Hey, you guys might want to pay attention to this team. I think they, I think they can, they can make some noise in their tournament and blow and behold here they are a five. Um, they're in one of those games. I hate to try and call though the five 12 game. Cause you know, there's going to be an upset.
00:43:11
Speaker
And I think like your, you know, VCU probably could upset St. Mary's. I mean, it's a, that, that, that's a danger game to pick. I think in my mind, I do think so too. Yeah. Uh, Yukon and I own, I know the CBS was going nuts over the coaching matchup in this. Well, yeah. I mean, you've got Rick Patino trying to rebuild his career at Iona and do a pretty good job.
00:43:36
Speaker
And I think they said that St. John's fired Mike Anderson. He used to be the coach at Missouri and he used to be the coach at Arkansas. And they said they might go after Rick Patino. He's trying to get back into a major job. Patino is such a good coach. That would be an interesting matchup. I don't know about pick Iona.
00:43:58
Speaker
But, uh, I'll think about it because of Patino, you know? Yeah. I mean, yeah, you got, yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of like, uh, kind of like Izzo. You don't, you don't want to ever sell them short because the minute you do is the date is the day they'll make you pay for it. That's for sure. So, uh, yeah, so that's, that's an, that's another interesting game, uh, matchup mainly because of the coaches, like you said, because of the coaches involved.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yeah. Now you've got TCU and Arizona state or Nevada. I don't know that much about TCU. I don't know that much about Arizona state or Nevada either. As far as that goes, I don't, that's one of those games, you know, since you don't know much. Uh, you just go with the favorite if you're picking and go with TC because you don't know enough about the other two teams to know. Right. Right. Major to go with it. Um,
00:44:56
Speaker
So like you said, TCU comes from a pretty deep conference in the Big 12. And Arizona states out of the Pac-12, Nevada plays, I don't know where the mountain. I think they're the Big West. Big West up where they play. Is it the Big West or Big Sky, I think, one or the other? Yeah, so yeah. That's one that I'll probably just go with TCU and not think too much about it.
00:45:19
Speaker
Yeah. Gonzaga grand Canyon. I think that falls under the, the, uh, Texas cold category. You go with, you go with Gonzaga. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, no disrespect to grand Canyon, but I just Northwestern versus Boise state in the seven to 10 game. I think that could be very interesting.
00:45:42
Speaker
Northwestern has been a big surprise this year in the Big Ten. Nobody really picked them to be where they were, which was the number two seed in the Big Ten. They're playing really good. I mean, Collins has those guys playing very well. And they're another team that's got a lot of experience on the team, not much tournament experience, because this is
00:46:05
Speaker
I don't know how many, this is one of the very handful of times they've ever been in the tournament. So, you know, and Boise State, I mean, you know, yes, we're saying this is Boise State's third, second or third year in a row. And yeah, I mean, they're starting to show up pretty regular in the tournament. So you

Final Four Predictions

00:46:24
Speaker
got to figure that they're, they're, they're, they've got some experienced kids in that, in that program that have, you know, been there, done that are, and are not going to be phased. Yeah.
00:46:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Don, it's one of those games you pick. You might go with the 10 seed to lower seed, just because you got to have some upsets and pick in your bracket. Cause you know, there's going to be some, so you try to pick some. Right. And that might be one, you know, uh, either team wins, wouldn't surprise. So UCLA and, and North Carolina Asheville.
00:46:57
Speaker
I know you go with UCLA. I mean, uh, yeah. How do you not? Yeah, really? What did the two Steve? I mean, he just, unless you have some, some, uh, inside view on UNC or, uh, you know, you just, uh, you go with UCLA. Yeah. I haven't seen them play a lot, but I've seen them just enough to know, you know, they, they're going to get
00:47:24
Speaker
I mean, yeah, well, I mean, I, you know, I mean, Illinois, we, we beat UCLA, but then again, that was very early in the season. Um, now I have heard UCLA is a little banged up so that they could get a little bit of a challenge out of UNC Asheville.
00:47:42
Speaker
They're buying them as a challenge to come in the next round. Yeah, but that's what I was gonna say. They might get a little bit of a challenge out of you, Asheville. But I think that that injury situation or those guys being banged up, that's going to be play a bigger part in that next game when you when they either have to take on Boise or Northwestern.
00:48:03
Speaker
I mean, and you know, they've, and plus they've got, they've got a week for to get some of those guys healthy. If anybody can get healthy in that week. So you never know how that's going to end up playing out. Yeah. I mean, I can see Kansas coming out of there, that region, no problem. I can see UCLA coming out of there with, without too much of a hitch Gonzaga. I'm not so sure about Yukon.
00:48:29
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not either. You know, yeah. I imagine when I start going through my bracket, it'll be either Kansas, Kansas UCLA or get through. I mean, I had to say, yeah.
00:48:43
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it, it, you said though, it does, Kansas sets up as they've got a, they've got a pitfall or two with the Arkansas Illinois matchup or, or definitely, like you said, you know, if you get a VCU team that gets hot, you know, or, or, uh, St. Mary's starts flexing muscle, Kansas could be in trouble in that region.
00:49:07
Speaker
Right. You know, on the, on the flip side, I mean, UCLA, I think they've got the same issue. You've got Northwestern up and you've got Gonzaga, you know, um, Wes is not a, not an easy region to handicap there. I don't think, I think he's not one of the tougher of the bunch. What do you think? Yeah, I think so. I think there's a lot of good teams that are just, they could slip through. Um, yeah, I think you're right. I think that's, that might be the most interesting region of them all.
00:49:37
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, no doubt about that. I mean, they've got those teams there. It obviously isn't any type you get into the winter go home tournaments, but they're gonna have to
00:49:54
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00:51:32
Speaker
That's right. Okay. Well, let's get to the summary portion of this thing. I, you know, I know it's, we probably are not going to anywhere close to right. But what's your final four. I knew you were going to ask me that you knew I was going to, right? Yeah. I knew before we leave it, you'd ask me that through here. You know, I am impressed with Alabama.
00:51:57
Speaker
And if I had to pick, go through and pick that, that would be in the, uh, Alabama in the South, I've seen Purdue, you know, play some this year. And if I had to pick today, you know, Don, I might just go with Duke or Marquette. I'd go with Duke in the Midwest. I'm not going to go with Houston. Hold on. I think I'm going to go with Texas.
00:52:25
Speaker
That's where I'm going. I've seen, you know, Texas. Yeah. I'm seeing like there was someone else. I had my own done. That's all right. I'm flipping through here. I understand that. I do. I think I'm going, I'd go with Texas. Then finally in the, in the West. Oh boy. Oh, good grief.
00:52:54
Speaker
Well, that's a tough one. If Kansas can get by the Arkansas, Illinois winner, that's probably the way I'll go. That's just probably the way I'll go. I was looking closely at Gonzaga, UCLA, but so there we go. Kansas, Texas, Alabama, Duke. So if I, you know, I tell you what, Don, I do right now belong to about three brackets.
00:53:22
Speaker
So I may have a different final four. The final fours aren't going to be same for all of them. So that'll be one of them. Yeah. I'll probably play around with it on all the practice. Oh yeah. I'll probably, I'll probably do the same, but I think, I think in from, from me, let's see out of the South, I'm going to take an upset in the South. Okay. I'm going to go with Baylor in the South.
00:53:47
Speaker
Okay. Okay. In the East, I see no reason to doubt your, your picking of Duke. I just Marquette might be able to get it done, but I just think Duke is on that hot streak and I don't, I don't think there's going to be any stopping them to get to the final four. There you go. Once they get there, once they get there, they may have trouble, but I don't think it's going to be, I don't think they can be stopped for the final four. Oh, Midwest.
00:54:16
Speaker
Yeah, I think I'm going to go, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to mimic you there too and go Texas. Uh, I think they probably are the better team in that region, even though they're the two seed, I think probably Houston and Texas should have been flipped. I think Texas probably should have had the one Houston, the two in that region for me and in the West, uh, you know, logic tells me I picked Kansas. Right.
00:54:45
Speaker
but the Illini fan in me, still hates Bill Self, not necessarily for leaving, just how he did it, that whole thing. I mean, nobody really faults him for jumping Illinois to Kansas when he did, but it's just kind of the way he left, the way he did it, left a sour taste. So, you know, throwing logic out the window. Yeah.
00:55:13
Speaker
I'm gonna go with Gonzaga. You're gonna go with Gonzaga going to the Final Four. Well, that's not Gonzaga in the Final Four. They've been there before, you know, they've been there before. They've been there before. The other team, there is one team, I think, in that West region that I think could just really screw everybody up, and that is Northwestern.
00:55:37
Speaker
OK, I think they could really mess some people up in that region if they wanted to. They could take someone out and then they can take someone. I think they could. They could take out of Gonzaga. They could take out of UCLA. I don't know if they could take out of Kansas. That might be a little bit of a tough stretch, but but then again, like you said, Kansas is going to get past either Arkansas or Illinois, and that I think is going to be a tough game for them because we did actually play Kansas in a.
00:56:05
Speaker
It wasn't a normal scrimmage before the, before even the preseason started. And, um, like they, they didn't actually keep a, a, a legitimate score, I guess, but they said Illinois did outscore Kansas. So take that for what it's worth. Like I said, ain't worth much, but take it for what it's worth. Well, any other final thoughts about this tournament?
00:56:35
Speaker
Well, only from the Missouri end. I'll probably pick, I'm sure I'll pick Missouri to beat Utah State. I mean, that's probably the black and gold in me. And then I'll, you know, when it comes up against Arizona, I don't need to think about that. I haven't decided I'm going to put them in my suite 16 yet or not. Yeah.
00:56:56
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Yeah. They've played some very good basketball this year. Yeah. And so, you know, I, I don't see where it's an oddball pick, if you will, to, to put them in that, in that sweet 16. I mean, it's not a stretch cause they've beaten some good teams this year. And it depends if they get on an offensive roll, if they get their threes are falling for them, they can, uh,
00:57:25
Speaker
They're, they can create turnovers. Um, and these teams have it seems very, of course, Missouri hasn't seen some of these teams either. So, you know, it depends. They could take them by surprise. Um, so, you know, it's, yeah, it's not a, it's not out of the imagination that they can make. And like, and like you said, you know, if an upset happens along the way and say Creighton takes out Baylor.
00:57:47
Speaker
You know, I think Missouri then has a, you know, it, it, it may not be, it may not be an easy game, but I think I, if I'm Missouri, I'd rather play Creighton and then Baylor. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the interesting thing about the tournament. There'll be some team, some big team that will be taken out. Yeah. And that'll open the door for an eight or nine seat or a seven seat or a 10 seat.
00:58:14
Speaker
Yes, to make a run at sweet 16. We, you know, we'll see that Thursday and Friday. It'll be the most part of the most entertaining day of the tournament. It usually is for me. And like I said, I love the eight, nine games, the, uh, the, the five 12s, you know, the seven tens. Those are the games I love because those are the games I usually pick all the upsets on because, because the one guy, the one, the one turn, uh, guy, the one board I fill out.
00:58:42
Speaker
you get extra points if you pick the upset. So if you pick like a 10 over a seven, you get the whatever points in there for that upset, so whatever round it is, but then you also get the three extra points for the lower seed. So that's always the fun way to pick it. Going back, I'm gonna go to Illinois a little bit.
00:59:08
Speaker
I'm like you, I'll probably take Illinois in that first game just for the simple fact that I'd rather pick orange and blue than red and white. But after that, then yeah, I really do have to look at it and look at it tough. I mean, do I take them over Kansas? And if I take them over Kansas,
00:59:29
Speaker
you know, can they be to St. Mary's? Can they be to UConn? I mean, I don't know. Uh, so yeah, it goes that way. And then, then you look at that bottom half of that, that, uh, West and, you know, like we talked before, that's not, that's not going to be easy, easy bracket to pick. So, you know, I thought I'm, I think I'll probably have Illinois at least in the round of 32. I don't know if I'll take him in that round of 16.
00:59:54
Speaker
But we'll see what I, I might, I might fill in, fill out enough boards where I can do one crazy board and have them going to the elite eight or something like that. Yeah.
01:00:06
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01:01:35
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you can find me on Twitter. I'm Uncle Frank at frRobinson1957. I'm floating around the different Mizzou and Cardinal Facebook groups under Russ Robinson, so you can find me there. And I put out a Mizzou Musings column at Gateway City Sports. And I'm probably putting one up between now and the start of the tournament, and I'm working on a couple of different ideas.
01:01:59
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So that's, that's, that's what's going on right now. Well, you can also find me at gateway city sports.com. And I too, I'm having an article coming out on Illinois, probably try and get it out tomorrow or Tuesday, probably look like Tuesday. Now at this point can reach me on Twitter, T S O T B G C S. Or you can hit the show's website, talking sports hyphen O T B hyphen GCS dot on podium.com.
01:02:28
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And for Russ Robinson, this is Don Glenn saying thank you for listening and we'll see you again next time. Hey, I want to thank you for listening to me and my co-host Russ Robinson as we do the NCW Report every month right here on
01:02:58
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talking sports on the bleachers and gateway city sports dot com have a great day