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Gavin Swinson
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Today Drew is joined by Gavin Swinson from Gila Monster Outdoors. GMO is a group of buddies self filming hunts out of New Mexico. We talk everything from filming, tags, exotics, elk and deer this was a fun one.
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Introduction and Prayer
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You are listening to the Tricer podcast, where we talk all things hunting, gear, and the great outdoors. Before we begin, let's start things out right and put God first. Lord Jesus, I thank you for Tricer, and I ask that you can use this podcast as a way to bring joy to all of our listeners. We lay Tricer and this podcast at your feet. Amen.
Meet Gavin Swinson
00:00:31
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All right, another episode. This time we got Gavin Swinson from He the Monster Outdoors. Super cool dude, super cool company, small company starting out, doing videos, doing all kinds of filming, all kinds of hunts, making some really cool films that I really enjoyed watching. And he's been a Tricer customer for a pretty long time now, it's like a few years. So it's been nice in our relationship with him and
00:00:53
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I love a good hunting story and I'm intrigued by the whole filming thing and what you're doing there because I've started trying to film and I've decided that I'm just not going to be able to film unless I pay someone to film for me because it's just, I can't do both. And I feel like it ruins my
Gavin's Hunting Journey
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hunts. Gavin, tell me about you. Tell me about you monster under orders. Go for it.
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Yeah, so I grew up here in New Mexico, little town near the border. I'm sure a lot of people know it just based out of hunting. We have some awesome health care, but I passed under safety. I think when I was like six or seven years old, my dad got me into hunting when I was young, just taking me out hunting on his trips, chasing small game, and then started hunting around eight.
00:01:28
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And thankfully i had a really good guy to learn from my dad was an amazing hunter and harvesting some awesome animals but like any other kid to get to high school and you get busy with sports and stuff like that your dreams change and so i decided i want to try to get a scholarship for football.
00:01:43
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And I was really focusing on that. So I hadn't hunted for a period of probably five or six years. So I played two years here at New Mexico State University and then had to stop due to injuries. And so I had nothing else really going on. So I decided to pick up hunting again. And the first year I applied, I didn't draw anything. And I remember I was so depressed. You're looking forward to it, getting back into it. And I didn't draw anything.
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And the following year, I put in for some elk and deer and I drew elk archery. So had no idea at all what I was getting myself into. Thankfully, my dad and uncle had done it a lot. So they were giving me some pointers and stuff, but I'd never been in the mountains in September. I'd never heard a bugle in my life up to that point. So it was something completely.
00:02:32
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And so I draw this tag. Dude, I didn't have a bow. I didn't have binoculars. All the camo I had didn't fit me anymore. I didn't have a backpack, no boots, nothing. I was like, what am I gonna do?
00:02:44
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But so I started looking on Rockslide, watching YouTube videos, just taking the knowledge as much as I could and looking online and shopping. And so I got myself just the necessities that I needed. And that was it. I bought some nice camo and some boots and some binos because that's what everybody said.
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And that was, that pretty much took up all the money that I had saved up. So thankfully my uncle was about the same size
Solo Hunting Challenges
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as me. So I was able to use his bow. So that was really nice there. But yeah, it was crazy. I had four months to prepare and it felt like every day I was trying to figure something out for elk, like looking online, listening to podcasts, just everything I could possibly do. And it just is crazy. How big of a bull did you kill on your first elk hunt?
00:03:28
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He was I was supposed to kill a really big boy. You seriously killed one. I did. I got one. No, I got one. It wasn't very easy. It was the hardest time I think I've ever hunted in my life just because I wanted one so bad. But the one we drew, so me and my cousin applied together on the same application. And so we both drew. And so he had hunted out before. So I'm going in this whole time thinking that I got someone with me the whole time.
00:03:58
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but his best friend was getting married in ohio so he wasn't gonna be there for the last few days of the hunt and so my dad and my uncle we drove up there and we drove in five miles we set up a tent a cooler ice chest full of food some waters and they said alright figure it out we'll be here in 10 days
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And so they left me out there by myself. And I had never been out in the mountains by myself before that point. And it was just, it was a shell shock for me. You're in the woods by yourself. You don't have anyone to talk to. I was seeing animals. I passed up a small five by five, the, I think the first or second day, just because I was like, let's see what else is here. And then a couple of rag horns. I actually saw the biggest deer of my life, like 30 yards away from me. I was sitting water the first couple of days.
00:04:47
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And I took a nap about noon and I looked over to my right and there had to be, he's probably like 180 to 200 inches, just big solid velvet, but just standing 30 yards to my right. Couldn't believe it. Got him on video and that's what started the whole ordeal. But my cousin came up and we were going to sit some water the last few days in the evenings and then hunt hard in the mornings.
00:05:08
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So we sat at these two tanks that were probably a mile apart and the plan was if someone gets a bull we're gonna meet in the middle at the side by side and wait till dark so the other guy doesn't get messed up. I'm sitting there reading a book in the blind and I look up and I see a nice seven by seven coming in and this is the first real big bull like I've ever seen in my life.
00:05:30
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So I'm shaking real bad, trying to stay as calm as I can. And he gets into about 40 yards. So I draw my bow back in my blind, and I'm getting ready to rise up and take the shot. And all these cattle just come busting through the tank. And so I'm sitting there, what the heck happened? Why did these cattle just come running through the tank like that? So I'm sitting there, angry and frustrated. And I look over to my left, and my cousin's walking towards me, shaking his hands up in the air like this. And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.
00:05:59
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so he got a bull that night so we almost doubled up right there and we went we walked back and it got dark tracked his blood as far as it as we could and we didn't want to push him because it was so late so we decided we'll come back in the morning and and we'll track him
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So we dropped him off in the morning. It was the second to last day of the hunt. And my dad was like, I'm
Passion for Filming Hunts
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here. Let's just go see if we can find something. So we climbed up this one ridge and I was seeing bulls, but they were like three miles away. And for me at the time, that just seemed way too far. Like it just wasn't possible. And so we ripped a few calls and lo and behold, we got a bull to reply to us and he came walking up this ridge.
00:06:38
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Kept responding to us which i'd never had it was the first time new mexico so it's pretty hot and i'd never had a bull respond back like that this whole. So i was getting excited and i could see him once he got on top of the ridge to the tree line he was only like fifty yards away most of the time i could see his butter i could see his antlers moving through the trees.
00:06:57
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and i could never get him to come in and i told my dad i was like you know it's the second last day we got a bull down there i'm just gonna i'm gonna go give it a shot so i drop my pack in my by nose and i just went to stock in and see if i can get a shot and i work through the trees and got into this circular opening on the ridge and i seen something out of the corner my eye and there was just a tree shaking and i could just hear his rat breaking that tree
00:07:23
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And I, my eyes got big and I started shaking like crazy. So I get to where I can get a shot. Then there was just tree limbs everywhere. And I was like, I can't get a shot on him. And so I got down on my knees to see if I could shoot under him. And there was two logs of a trunk like this and right in between them, I could just see his vital spot.
00:07:41
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he was 13 yards from where I was sitting so I drew back and it was like paper testing to me I was like it's like a paper test I'm gonna shoot him like a paper test so I let it fly and that was it I double lunged him he fell 40 yards from where I hit him and that was it we had two bulls in two days a lot of work but oh man I he's not big but definitely my favorite harvest that's for sure
00:08:04
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So that just, like I have, I'm friends with Dylan Dietz. I don't know if you'd listen to that podcast. It took him 10 years to finally kill a bull. Like you got in an opportunity as a bull. Like you got ruined. No wonder you got so hooked on hunting dude. Like you got out there. One thing I can say to you on a sitting water thing, I feel like that is such an underrated thing now with like Western hunting, especially New Mexico and Arizona.
00:08:28
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choke points and sitting water. If you sit there longer, if you're probably going to get an elk. I just went hunting with my son and he missed a pretty decent pole opening day and then we got our freaking butts kicked the next seven days. We got soaked, it snowed on us and we just got our butts kicked on a late season hunt.
00:08:45
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But I swear to you, if we were to saddle a couple of these ridges and just sat there for the, we would have killed it. That's the way it is. It's like a guarantee these animals are going to be moving through here. It's a saddle on a ridge or a watering hole. The problem is you have the patience to do it or not. There's days where I would see bears and deer and cows and bulls and I would pull out my phone and I have videos this one day I saw a cinnamon black bear.
00:09:14
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which was the biggest bear ever seen and then i saw twenty cows come in at one time with a bunch of funds and then there is two bucks feeding and it was like every hour something else would come in but then for three or four straight days nothing would come in at all and then you would hear all the bugles around you and.
00:09:30
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then you wanna go out and explore and you don't sit water and that's when they come in, it's just hard to do but it is very successful. I still do it sometimes this day if I can have the patience
Evolving Filming Techniques
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for it. Yeah and I get like with archery all coming especially in the rut like you wanna chase bugles, that's the fun thing about it's awesome but honestly like if you're just getting into hunting, if you could find especially if it's dry,
00:09:51
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Like hundreds went on, it rained and it wasn't dry. There was water and rocks, there was water. I mean, the water wasn't going to be in the factory anymore. Once it rains and you get water holding up spots, you're not in the factory anymore. Right. Some of those dirt tanks in New Mexico and Arizona are just golden. Like you're going to have come in my first bull I ever killed, we hunted, we didn't even see it for six days. And I sat water the last day and I swear to you, like it gives me goosebumps thinking about like the noise of that thing coming through the trees. Yeah.
00:10:19
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It was like dusk. We have 10 minutes left. It jumps the, like they have the barbed wire fence. It jumps the fence. That is freaking hammered on, man. 35 yards. Honestly, I shot him like four times. Like I shot him. Perfect shot. Walk into the water. I shot him in the water. I think I did. I was like,
00:10:35
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I'm just flipping out and we were on it. We were sticking the scene out for six days. Then I shot him again, and then he went down to try to get up. I shot him in the neck. Like, I was just like, you are going to... At this point, I think this was like 2017. I listened to so much Randy Newberg. Like, you shoot him until they're down. I don't know how... It doesn't sound like I had a semi-automatic rifle when I was shooting a bolt action. I was just like, reloading and hammering. But it was an effective method, and it worked. It doesn't always work, but it really is an effective method. So you were... How old are you now? How long ago was this?
00:11:04
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So I'm 25 now and I think I got that bull. I got that bull when I was 21. So I was 21 years old and that was the first time that I'd ever drawn elk and I'd never seen a bull before this hunt just because I was never there looking for him.
00:11:19
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But for that age, I've been told by a lot of people to go on your first hunt and get an elk like that. That's a big deal. And I was pretty spoiled by it. Thankfully, my dad and my uncle, they hunted really big back in the 90s and in the 2000s when bow hunting wasn't as big as it is today. And so they learned very well and they put me in some of the right spots where I needed to be. But sitting in the water and having elk come in like that, I swear that it gets your nerves going worse than calling one. And I think because it's just so freaking unexpected and
00:11:47
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to have it happen i thought i was going to get one at water but i didn't i was i think i i felt i earned him a little bit versus just sitting and waiting but i don't really think there's a difference honestly if you get a bull especially in a desert like new mexico it's a big deal
00:12:02
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Yeah, that's awesome, man. This was your first time really getting back into hunting and you were already filming at this point, right? You were actually recording a little bit on the side because that's what your passion is now. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you're passionate about filming hunts, right? You really do enjoy that. Is this what sparked it? Recording on your phone just sort of sparked you wanting to actually film hunts and start making stuff because you're doing some pretty cool stuff. It's only been like four years.
00:12:28
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Thank you. I appreciate that. This hunt is what gave me the bug to start filming. When I was telling you how all those animals are coming into the tank, I was just pulling out my phone and just recording them. I'd have videos that were five to 10 minutes long of bears just walking in and watering and does running around. I even filmed the stock. It was the worst filmed video you'd ever seen in your life. I had my phone in my pocket just so that you could hear the bugle and I could hold my bow.
00:12:57
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What really got me into talking to the camera is I had been out there I think eight to nine days before I had seen someone straight and I was seeing all this cool stuff and I got to the point where I was talking to myself and so I started videoing myself like hey I saw a couple out today like this is what kind of went on but I just kept doing that and
00:13:17
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Once the hunt was over, I told myself I should just start filming everything. I'm not doing it to get famous by any means at all. I do it because I love it, but one of the other reasons I do it is because my grandpa was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago. He really loved the outdoors, going hunting with us and camping. It's another form or method for me to let him experience what we're doing out there without actually being there.
00:13:46
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It was mainly for that and for our family and friends showing them what we're doing out there, but it's morphed into something else now and I think it's getting bigger than I thought it would be.
00:13:56
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That's really neat, dude. You, are you doing a lot of stuff? Like you talked about being out there for 10 to 12 days on your own. Are you doing a lot of your stuff solo? Like that's admirable to me. Cause like, I just did 14 days with my two of my boys. We sent one boy halfway home. By the time I get to like day eight, I have, you're married now, right? I'm engaged. Like I have five kids and my time gets like day seven and eight and I really start missing my family and wanting to
00:14:22
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go home and i really have to like i have like really big lows on those hands and all the whole my wife i can't really miss you guys i miss the kids like you start missing like the normalcy of life a little bit yeah no i think that's the highest as well like you'll be like you don't care but then like these yeah i start dealing with this are you just like able to solo hot like no problem or you don't like how is that for you
00:14:45
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I, if I have to, I will. I have that hunt. I hunted solo for a few days. Thankfully, I had people there when I got the bull. Otherwise, that would have been a completely different story, I think. But most of the time I have Nick with me. We do a lot of filming together. I'll go scouting for a couple of days by myself. And then I hunted Barbary sheep in January of this year. And I actually did that hunt solo, but it was only for a day. I got lucky and found a Barbary sheep on the first day. But
00:15:11
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One of the things that we've been talking about this year is I'm trying to explore into other states for hunting elk just because I haven't drawn in the past two years. I really like taking other people, but I really want to hunt elk again. I've been talking to Nick and Cody, the guys that I hunt with. With our schedule, it's hard to make it out there, so it's looking like my first out-of-state elk hunting experience next September is probably going to be by myself.
00:15:37
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I'm probably going to miss some things from home, my fiance and stuff. We just got engaged this year. So I can see that playing a role. And then I have a dog boomer who I hang out with a lot. So that's another thing too. But yeah, I think it's going to be tough, but we'll see how it goes. When are you guys getting married? So we actually have a couple of friends getting married next year. So we're going to wait till 2025. So I'm trying to coordinate and plan around as many hunts as possible. That way our anniversary doesn't hit any hunts.
00:16:05
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Just make sure you get her pregnant. It's like in September. Right. Not like now. Like if you don't want to have that kid like August, September time, it's just going to mess you up. This is selfish, but you want to make sure you space it out. Like one of my good friends, Shay, is on the podcast. Like he has three kids in September. And he's a huge elk guy. Like what were you thinking? It's just what God did. I think God wanted to be born then. I don't know what happened.
00:16:32
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Yeah, that's the plan. We'll see. We'll see what she says. She's going to have a bigger say than I do about that probably. Yeah. So now you've done this and now you've started to film, film hunts and you're filming like, you guys are really digging to bear hunting, right? I've seen all our bear videos, right? And you're still making everything. So how did that come about? And how's that going for you? Tell me about it.
00:16:55
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So it was an interesting deal after I got back from that hunt. I went on a couple other hunts that year, especially with my buddy, Nick, and got really close to them. So I just shot him the question. I was like, you want to film some hunts?
00:17:06
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And he was like, yeah, let's do it. And so the next year we drew some hunts. And the only thing that we used to film was our phones. We bought like those gorilla tripods and the little fuzzy, cheap mics. And we were just filming. And we started with our scouting trips. We were going up into the Gila wilderness, scouting and filming. And we realized we should probably get another guy with us. That way if two of us draw, we can have someone filming what we hunt. So we brought another one of my buddies, Cody, who I also went to school with.
00:17:34
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And so it became a group of three and we filmed a couple of months that year had a lot of technical issues with the phones using onyx your phones dying your filming your mics are getting ruined from all the weather and then you put it together once you got outside the hunt on your laptop and the quality just looks absolutely terrible and so.
00:17:55
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we really wanted to invest in the gear but it's hard to justify spending a couple thousand dollars on really nice camera equipment and so we were just trying to roll with what we had for the first year produce all our films and post them on youtube and just see how they did and.
00:18:10
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we were pretty surprised with the results we're getting pretty good views and so the last year we decided to upgrade to go pros which was a mistake i love them they're very handy but goodness gracious that you just can't really capture the moment and we had so many good shot opportunities but you just can't zoom in with the gopro we missed a ton of footage.
00:18:31
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and of course we're learning we're trying to we're trying to film and not be autonomous and then also filming our family members hunts and trying to get them involved somewhat to make an interesting video and then learning how to be quiet while you're filming and still capture content and just try to make something different that people don't have that was one of the biggest things and then this year nick and i we'd saved up a little bit and we both got some really nice sony mirrorless cameras
00:18:58
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And we've been shooting everything for this year on those cameras. And we just finished editing two of our elk hunting videos from this year. And I mean the quality, the shots we have, the film, how they came out, it's
Experiences in Coos Deer and Barbary Sheep Hunting
00:19:10
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just phenomenal. It's really come together.
00:19:12
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That's awesome. So I went out this year and I bought, I'm filming right now, it's all like a Nikon Z30, sweet little camera. But the difference between using this camera on my phone, night and day. When you use a real camera, it's like night and day for picture quality. It just looks better. The iPhones are pretty great. Like I have whatever the 14 pro or whatever. Yeah.
00:19:31
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sick camera for what it is. And honestly, laziness takes in a lot of times, and I'm just going to leave the camera at the truck, or in my catat and issues, because it does add weight. And then I'm talking to Limitless Outdoors, and if you follow Justin Colton of Limitless, they filmed all their ads up till this year on the Handy Cams. So I bought one of those Handy Cams, and it has the whole gimbal built into it. It's pretty sick.
00:19:54
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Yeah. And I started trying to film some stuff this year, but like you said, like trying to basically guide my children in film and be the content guy for Tricer, it just almost was rooting for me. I was like, I can't do this. Yeah. I can't film and do this. So I'm intrigued by filming. I just don't think I can do it myself. I like how you're saying that you almost need a third person. Like on this last week, we went to Arizona and we killed eight coosed deer. Should mention it now. My kid killed a pretty good buck. Probably like... That was a nice buck. It was nice. Yeah.
00:20:22
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My 17 year old missed, I don't want to say moon and Crockett, but I wouldn't throw the biggest cruise driver I've ever seen in my life. The total package, giant G2s just came around, the main beams touched, almost touched, almost touched, giant four or five inch kicker off the right. Wow. Fuck of a lifetime. And he didn't kill it. But on that hunt, I brought my buddy Cade from Matt Hunt.
00:20:45
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to take pictures and film press a little bit not from the honestly going to be there and it's so much more enjoyable for me it is not good at it you must have an eye for that stuff it's so good it's hard to have an eye for that i've always let me take a picture everything just centered on there and click.
00:21:03
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And like I said, you've got this stuff and it's you've got B roll and you've got the shots are from over the shoulder angle. It just looks really good. Like where does that come from? Just naturally you're artistic like that or it just, you can't just give somebody a camera and do this by point. Like I cannot do it. I'm just not that bad.
00:21:18
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It's hard. It really is. Even with the GoPros, when you're trying to maneuver and keep good footage, peek over people's shoulders and stuff, and then not hit branches and make noise while you're doing it, it's so difficult. And a lot of the things that me and Nick do, because we do a lot of the filming, is we watch as many hunting videos as we can. As many. And we watch all their styles, what they do, and then you'll find videos that people really like. And necessarily, we don't try to copy them.
00:21:47
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but we try to take parts and implement it into our own styles and so the b-roll something that i really like but i don't like to use it too much as well i'd like it for animals and stuff to really show them off and then this year we took meals hunting so i did a lot of b-roll with with the meals we're loading them up that was really cool.
00:22:04
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but now we have these big mirrorless cameras and they are heavy and we have these chest mounts for them and they're lugging on your chest all day and you're trying to hold it with two hands and walk and film and it's tedious at times but once you do it so much it just becomes second nature and I've never used a camera before in my life for anything like this.
00:22:27
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I knew nothing about them and so I was watching YouTube videos talking to people that had cameras just trying to learn as much stuff as I could and even today I still struggle sometimes setting my camera right I'll have the image too bright or it'll be fuzzy or something like that but I try to do the best I can but it's a lot of work and there's times when I hate it
00:22:47
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Don't get me wrong, if I'm filming myself, most of the time I'm okay. But my dad, for example, we took my younger brother on a hunt and he likes the glass and he hates driving and my brother can't drive. So I'm trying to drive, I'm trying to film, I'm trying to glass, I'm trying to do this. It's times like that where it gets to be a little bit of the pain of the butt, but we're getting used to it. We're figuring out new ways to film.
00:23:12
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For example, we're going on a Barbary sheep hunt this weekend so thankfully I'm gonna have Nick with me so I'll get to guide my brother and my dad around a little bit and have Nick filming and I can film as a backup. So we work around it the best we can but a lot of it in the beginning was just we got lucky with good stuff and but now our more recent stuff has been something we've been trying to research and get really good at.
00:23:34
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Yeah, I want to talk to you a little bit off-air what unit you're hunting, if you go through, give it to me. But I did barberies down there right before it got too hard to draw for non-residents. One of my favorite hunts, hands down. And where was the draw unit? I'm actually kicking around, coming down and just doing the open units. Yeah. They're just so fun. And I love glassing. I will not outglass, but I will sit in the glass longer than most people. So I feel like I'm pretty confident I can try and find a sheet in some of these harder units. But that's a fun hunt.
00:24:01
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You talked about you watch a lot of hot films, right? Yeah. Who do you find dynamic? Who do you find inspirational?
00:24:10
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It's hard to say. I really like the stuff that Go Hunt has been pushing out. I do. It's what they do is just insane. And I know they hire different guys to film their hunt. So it's cool because every film will be different versus some guys, you'll see the same aspects in every film. These guys, sometimes they have different guys coming in and filming. I think they had a guy from New Zealand. I was listening to a podcast. They had a guy from New Zealand on.
00:24:36
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And it's just, their films are phenomenal. They are so good at telling a story and capturing the hunt. And one of my favorite things is they capture how hard the hunt is. And not a lot of people are able to do that. Not in 15 minutes. Yeah.
00:24:51
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So do you, I have a little bit of a relationship with Luke Dusenberry. So Luke films a lot for goat hunting. He's a Christian dude. He's someone you reach out to and talk to because he is this super cool dude. And he's filming a lot of those hunts. And you can tell like, when it's Brady's hunts, it's probably Luke going now because Luke's dumb enough to go with Brady. And so that's a whole other thing too. There's a lot of like hipsters that fell. There's no way they're going to survive hunting with me.
00:25:17
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Oh no. They're gonna be, they're gonna be, I quit. Dude, like on this last, I started going like hypothermic. Like we got, we, the snow all melt. It snowed like four to six inches and then it melted and I didn't have a rain pants on and it freaking seeped into my socks. I had two inches of water in my boots and I started like shivering. Like I didn't make, I had to make fire. My kids are like, what's wrong with them? Dude, I'm serious. Like, like, I don't joke around. Like I'm pretty, I consider myself like a greedy person, a tough person.
00:25:43
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And we had to make a fire and dry our stuff out. And I could not, there's a lot of thumbers. We'd just be like, yeah, screw this man. I'm out of here. Oh yeah. A hundred percent.
00:25:52
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There's a difference between filming and like the way I see it is I think this is, this has to be the toughest filming there is because most of the productions, movies, TV shows, whatever you're doing, it's always a set environment. You're going through the mountains. The weather's changing. The sunlight's changing. You're going through the shade. You're hiking and some of the, probably the worst country ever and trying to keep up with hunters who work out for months at a time and know.
00:26:15
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how to get around in the mountains, it is tough. Yeah, I think that I wouldn't necessarily call it a market, but I think there's a lot of opportunity to pick up films for other people and hopefully in the future, that's something that we could do. It's nice to have a cameraman that not only can capture your hunt, but can throw some meat on his back and get behind the glass when he needs to.
00:26:35
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Yeah, I already told you that we'll probably be talking next year, because I don't want to phone my own huts.
Advice for Aspiring Hunters and Filmmakers
00:26:40
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A couple of people who I really enjoy watching, obviously, I'm dreading the list, those guys are Christian dudes, he just, those guys, hot harder than like most people, like, with more than a lifetime in a week, they do some crazy stuff. So those guys are fun to watch. And that's what they're doing.
00:26:54
Speaker
I love what Grady's doing. I think Brian has a way of showing a story and really bringing you into it. And also, he's very descriptive with pop-outs and points and he brings you into that moment. These guys are up to 14 days and then they're putting it into a 20-minute film, which is crazy to think of. There's a lot of optimism in that. I like Brian's stuff. And then someone else who I don't have a relationship with, Stone Glacier, has some really good hunts.
00:27:19
Speaker
I love some laser sounds. I feel like they have some of the... I do love go-huns too. Go-huns are phenomenal, watch all their stuff. But I really like still laser stuff too. They have a way of filming that this is really natural, which I like these. And I think go-huns and creating limits do the same thing. You guys as well, it's almost like you're there and it's not a production.
00:27:38
Speaker
I don't like a production, right? And I think that Ronella really did a good job of like starting this trend of getting away from this. When I was a kid, because I'm almost 40 now, it was all like, it was a production and then there was a kill shot. And then there was like six more shots of that kill shot. And then they always killed something. And, but it was as you're watching it for the kill shot versus now, like if you could take me into the Gila wilderness, which I try and draw every year. I try and draw out of Leopold. I try and draw those units. I don't know what the numbers are.
00:28:10
Speaker
I feel like it's getting harder and harder to draw. If you could draw that tag as a resident and take me into it and show me that experience and show me the same hills that Otto Leopold walked, that's really me. More so than the kill, right? Even with these hunts I spent with my kids, I'm almost glad that he missed a bowl opening day, even though I was really bummed at the time because I was tired. Then we had seven more days and we got to have that experience. I can tell you right now that my kid
00:28:30
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from the next.
00:28:38
Speaker
has more grit than 99% of men. His right knee got, he packed an elk out. We packed out five elk in Utah this year. Cows, he tore his knee. He's going to doctors on Friday. I told him, you can't go to doctors to get back from these hunts. That kid, the torn knee, I'm assuming it's torn because he's still swollen besides the soft hole. He got up at 4 a.m. and hiked in and had that grit to be out there, freezing his freaking nuts off, glass of route, and they live in hellholes, drop it down. We were doing over 100 floors a day, like eight to 10 miles.
00:29:07
Speaker
One of our packouts took us three hours to get out. So we started packing at five, and we didn't get back up to where the truck was until 8 p.m., right? And if you could film a film and have me experience that, I really enjoy that. Way more than the kill. I enjoy hunting and glassing and the experience of being with my sons and being out there and just way more than the kill show. And that's what I like what you guys are doing.
00:29:33
Speaker
Yeah, the biggest thing for us is just trying to show people it's possible. So we're trying to show that it's not as hard as some people make it out to be.
Oryx Hunting Adventures
00:29:42
Speaker
Granted, are you going to be successful as much as a lot of these big time guys? Probably not. I've only ever killed one elk. It just goes to show. I've been on other hunts, but what my brother, we got him an elk this year and he didn't get an elk for two, three years. And my other brother, we got him an elk this year. He didn't get a bull for two, three years.
00:29:59
Speaker
but they go on these hunts and get to see that it's possible. They work hard. They persevere. They're in places that they never imagined that they would be in hiking miles a day, learning to work hard and not only that, but have a good time hunting and enjoying time with your family and capture that for our viewers out there. I think it does a lot of good for the hunting community. That's awesome. How into, so what is your jam? I feel like your jam's bears, but I'm wrong. Me? Is it bears? What's your thing?
00:30:27
Speaker
I love bears. I've never gotten the chance to shoot one. I almost did this year. I drew on a sow, but her cub was still with her. So that kind of sucked. For me, I love Oryx. It's one of the funnest hunts, I think, in the US because you're hunting antelope, but they're a lot bigger. And the environment they're in is just insane. And I think they're some of the most beautiful animals that we can hunt here in North America. And they're insane. Off-range Oryx then. Oh, yeah. They're a blast. And then everyone loves elk.
00:30:56
Speaker
everyone loves elk i love elk but if i was gonna pick one thing and have to be oryx and if you if i was gonna say you put in for one here in new mexico it's that's what it's gotta be there fun you have the whole month off range and they just taste amazing do it and so i have i've seen them offering my barber
00:31:14
Speaker
I really want to do, that's what I wanted to do as well, put in for that. I put in for every year on range. I don't know if you've heard I had a podcast a few months ago and the guy actually drew two Oryx tags in one year. He drew on range Oryx tags. He made it seem like the almost like dove hunting when it comes to hunting. On white sands, it was just like he'd drive out. He's like a mile out and people were just off the road shooting Oryx. Yeah, that's crazy. Strange things, intriguing.
00:31:37
Speaker
Like when you go on range, you get your pick of the litter because I think most of the time you only have two to three days to hunt them on my entire hunt on that range. So they don't get pressured a whole lot. And then, hey, that's also where they were started was on the missile range.
00:31:52
Speaker
But off of the missile range, there's still times where we'll see 20 to 30 Oryx and Herd and I'll pass them up as well. They're out there. We try to capture it as much as we can in our videos, but it's most of the time you're in that flat land and they're three miles away and you can't even tell what it is on video, but you know what it is.
00:32:08
Speaker
Yeah. When you see one, I've had them at 80 yards. I've had them multiple times on some sheep hunts down there. They're just wild. They're a wild animal and they've got the grays and the stripes and the whites and then the giant, I guess you call them horns on those animals right now. They're just, they got the eye patches. They're a really cool critter and they're big, man. They're like 100 pounds or something. They're not like, it's not an elk, but it's not a deer. It's right there in between those two. It's maybe a cow size.
00:32:37
Speaker
I would say so. To count maybe smaller. I don't know. It's in that range. It's a big animal and they're pretty. And I really want to get one and have one like on the wall behind me. I hear just the hide. I don't really care so much for the euro, but the hide is just slick looking. It's beautiful. And then I didn't do it with mine sadly, but they'll take the tail.
00:32:57
Speaker
and like work with it so it's like the long tail and you like pin it to your wall. I think it's just one of the coolest things ever. I don't know why I didn't do it but it's neat. I hunted in Argentina in 2016 or 17 and really cool ranch house and the owner it was just like he's like a world renowned big game hunter, right? Trophy hunter. They hunt different down there. These guys, people who hunt down there have a lot of money and it's all trophy hunting. But in the room where you ate every night, there was a zebra pinned to the wall. Wow.
00:33:26
Speaker
It was bitchin' and I'm like, man, I would love to order, and that's stuck with me. That's why I want the oryx like that, just pinned on my wall somewhere. My wife probably won't be stoked on it. I always tell her I'm going to put it over her bed and then hopefully I'll get it somewhere else in the house. We're actually building it. I'm in my new office right now. We're building a whole new Tricer studio, and she's already finally moving everything in here. I'm like, no, it's got to stay in the house so I can see it. I can talk about it.
Hunting Methods and Regulations
00:33:51
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I have all my critters in the house. We only have, oh, my boy is a big shoulder mount guy. My boy has a few formats in his bedroom, my 17-year-old. I'm not like euros. I think they're neat. They're clean and they don't take up room. The shoulders are awesome. I have one deer that's shoulder mounted, but the rest of the stuff I've harvested, it's all euros. I think the Oryx Euro is pretty neat. I'll have to send you a picture of mine after this podcast.
00:34:16
Speaker
Yeah, when I go to, I'm going to Sonora in January and the buck that we're taught, I want to shoot a buck over 110. That buck is quite a great issue when I'm out. But again, it's a coosdeer and they're so small. Like a bull is, you need to have at least 12 feet of ceiling. Like if you put a type of bull up into an eight foot room, like this, my office is just eight foot ceilings. Like you don't put the bull here. You have to start at the ground and have it go, there's such a top and they stick out four or five feet. There is a
00:34:46
Speaker
very big animal. No, they're ginormous. So you keep talking about your bow. Are you just strictly bow or do you rifle one as well? So I, as of right now, I typically, all of my deer and elk hunting is archery. The oryx I got last year, I really wanted to get them with my bow because the previous two, I was in bow range, but it just didn't seem possible. I ended up getting one with the rifle. Barbary sheep, the way how tough it's getting, antelope, we're mainly doing archery just because we're trying to give ourself
00:35:16
Speaker
a higher chance of drawing it's not so much i'm addicted to it i am but i just want opportunities and whatever is gonna give me an opportunity i'm gonna go for it.
00:35:25
Speaker
Yeah, that is the trick, right? I think the muzzleloader thing, which is getting rained in right now, it got blown out of proportion, but late season archery, non-rut archery hunts and muzzleloader hunts are a lot easier to draw. And there is this crazy effect of how everyone's putting in. And I don't know what to do. New Mexico still allows for the ballistics and everything on the muzzleloader.
00:35:46
Speaker
Yes. Yes, they do. Yeah, that's iconic. And there was a minute like five years ago, I was like, put in for muscle and then it's just gotten ruined because everyone started building these 500 yard, basically, single shot rifles, which is starting to get rained in. Colorado's open sight only, California's open sight only. I think Nevada is, Utah just banned them. They're going to open sight only. Because it was a people were drawn, it was an easier time to draw. And you're able to shoot or
00:36:17
Speaker
It is for me, archery is a little bit harder with having five kids. And typically, I feel like I need to try and get done. And like, archery is all those things where it's, if you have a seven day hot, like you probably should have been gone for seven days.
00:36:29
Speaker
Oh yeah. The amount of time you have to stay with it, you can't just drop your bow and leave it there like a rifle. You can go to the range and spend a day or two, you'll be okay. But your bow, you got to be shooting consistently, especially if you're hunting something like deer antelope. There's no way you're taking far shots if you haven't been shooting. So it's just, it's time consistent. It's a hobby. I think archery, just having a bow is a different hobby outside of hunting.
00:36:52
Speaker
on its own and it's expensive and it's hard to give yourself the time to shoot it as much as you need to so yeah i get that a hundred percent yeah those barberies man that would be very hard to hunt i shot mine i think 430 yards
00:37:08
Speaker
that would be a very hard hunt with a bow. More so not like it was one ram, but most of them it's not one ram. Most of them it's 20 or 30. Yeah. All together and they have eyeballs like this side of baseballs and they could just, they just, man, you get within, most of them gets 500 yards, you're okay. Those things, they just pick you up and see you. Plus you're hunting and I have an idea of where you're hunting down there. It's just open.
00:37:33
Speaker
It's it's almost four five hundred foot maces in the coming off these bases so they have the elevation that you want and they're looking down at you so a lot of times I don't know we're crossing from the bottom up and we actually very mobile we're moving a lot we're actually moving a glass in which is
00:37:49
Speaker
Not with my style, but that hunt, it really worked. So we just did like the day we killed, we doubled up, we did like 18 miles. Cause we were constantly, you're constantly moving canyon to canyon and looking for these things, moving glassy for 23 minutes. Cause it's not really at once. They're not hard to find because it's a big group. It's just hard to find where they are at that moment. Cause they're not like a mule deer where you can pat on them. They're kind of like a migrating herd within this, like whatever two or three miles square or radius. So they're moving around in there and you have an idea of where they are.
00:38:19
Speaker
It would be fun. It would be hard. I can't remember who it was. I watched a video on someone last year that got one, I think here in New Mexico and they had the decoy on their bow and that's how they got theirs. But we actually, I went scouting two weekends ago and I located two rams that are in a place where you could bow on them. So it's very possible, but you just got to spend the time and get lucky trying to find some that are going to be in an area where you could throw on a good stock like that.
00:38:48
Speaker
but they're crazy and
Cultural and Community Aspects of Hunting
00:38:50
Speaker
they don't need a lot of water either so you're like sitting water is not really a great option for but you could choke point them to feel like okay they're going to choke point here if you know an area i feel like i don't mind if there is one can you where we saw them like everyday for a week.
00:39:05
Speaker
You definitely could sit on the show points and probably get over it. If you had the wind, you could definitely get up there. It's not like it's open too. That's the hard part. It's not like you're going to have this like cover where you can go from pinion jumper to pinion juniper. It's like we call them pucker bushes. We go to the desert right here because you pucker up when you're about to hit them on your dirt bike.
00:39:24
Speaker
It's these pucker bushes that you can see through. That's all there is and then rocks. And it's so loud. It's not like you can just like creep. It's not you're not walking on dirt. It's like shield rock. It was a gnarly. It was a really cool hunt. I put him for it every year. And we haven't enjoyed it since. I actually put both my boys and myself in all three individually just because if one of us draw it would be such a fun hunt to go back and do it. I had a blast on that hunt.
00:39:47
Speaker
It is. The way I see it is it's like you're hunting mule deer, which I love. You're doing the same things. You're glassing, trying to find them, locating them, but they're moving all day. It's like they don't stop, especially around this time of year when it's cold. They're moving and feeding and they don't stop. The funny thing is when you get close to them, you can hear them bleeding and knocking rocks and all that. It's a blast. It's a completely different hunt than anything else that's out there.
00:40:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's really fun. And what's funny is like, when I was hunting for them, I did all this research and it's like, oh, they call them piss sheep. They taste like, I thought, my wife thinks it's the best animal we've ever had. It's like a sweet meat. Like, they don't like, how do you probably just don't like game? Like, they didn't taste that. They tasted really good to me. I, my wife loved it.
00:40:29
Speaker
Everyone here likes Oryx more than anything else and I cooked up some of my Oryx and I cooked up some of my Barbary sheep and I preferred the Barbary sheep over the Oryx which granted I got a U but it smelled terrible when I got it but after cooking it up and everything it was amazing.
00:40:45
Speaker
Yeah, they definitely, they call them piss sheep for a reason. Yeah. Because I understand who I was talking to, I think it was on the podcast, they just don't drip a lot of water. So they just pee like orange, like they actually stained the rocks. So it's just, that's why they smell so bad. I'm sure the rams are pissed on themselves and rolling on it. It's just like where they make them smell like they like that musky smell off the ladies.
00:41:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's very interesting to hunt sheep too, right? Most people can have an opportunity to hunt a bighorn, a California, a rocky, a stone, a doll, but you could have the opportunity to go hunt a barberry sheep, right? Or I feel like you guys call them barberry. Texas calls them odd ads.
00:41:26
Speaker
It depends on who I'm talking to. People from Texas call them odd ads, so I'll tell them it's an odd ad, or here we call them barberies. But yeah, I mean, you can hunt barberies every year if you wanted to. Texas, it's hard to find and I've spoken about a lot, but there's some over-the-counter opportunities. There's ranches that you can pay to go hunt. And then here, they have the draw here in New Mexico, and they actually just increased the tag numbers. So it's still
Future Plans and Final Thoughts
00:41:50
Speaker
difficult. A few years ago, that's where we have all the draws. That's good.
00:41:53
Speaker
Yeah, they increased it pretty good this year and added more hunts. And so there's that. And then we have the over the counter opportunity as well. And that's awesome because you have the entire year to go chase Barbary sheep. So if you have other hunts that you have, you know, you can try the over the counter option whenever you have time. And then also another thing too, is if you don't successfully get a Barbary sheep on your draw tag, you can then put the over the counter units with your tag. So that's pretty cool too.
00:42:18
Speaker
Really? I didn't know that. That's really neat. Yeah. And the other thing I like about New Mexico and some of these exotics is you can hunt them in March, February. Yeah. So you don't have to overlap them with your Elcons and Deer Nuts. You can be able to get that fixed in February for Oddad.
00:42:35
Speaker
and not conflict with your deer season. And honestly, after doing it, I almost wouldn't mind, I would almost give up a deer tag here to go hunt a lot as in October. They're really fun. It's a very fun hunt. If you like glassing, if you like being lots of hiking, and if you like seeing a lot of animals, honestly, we saw a lot of sheep. It's fun. It's a really cool hunt. It's a great group hunt to do with people too. We need to think about that and it's on a blast.
00:43:04
Speaker
It was, I really enjoyed doing Barbaries. So what's, you're starting to feel more, what's up next for you guys, for him on Shoutdoors. So we have a Barbary sheep hunt this weekend. That's going to be my brother's hunt. We're going to be doing that here for a couple of days. As long as we can, he has school and my dad's got work. So it could just be us, but we have some Rams located. So we're going to be filming that one. And then after Christmas, we have a mule deer hunt for my other brother. They've been hitting it hard. They drew all kinds of tags this year, just completely unfair.
00:43:34
Speaker
It was like a January archery hunt then, right? Yeah, me and Nick drew coos in January. That's the last two weeks of January. Yeah. So it's going to be an archery coos deer hunt. I've seen them. I've always wanted to hunt them. And we've been in this unit for a little while now seeing them and where they're at. And this year we decided to put in for it. So we're going to give it a shot.
00:43:56
Speaker
I'll tell you what, you're going to need a good tripod and pan head for that. That's the difference. Coosdeer or my jam? Those are my... If you had to sit, put a gun to my head, pick one animal that's coosdeer. I would do up everything else on coosdeer. Honestly, after hunting coos with my kid, and then go to the all kind, I was like, man, I wish we had a coosier right now. I'll just kick your butt. And coos are just... Oh, yeah.
00:44:17
Speaker
Your content on Instagram from CoosDeer has been getting us so freaking excited for that hunt. Like we are just waiting for the days to go by. It seems like it's a blast. And when you get one, it's not like you're carrying 300 pounds of meat. You could throw the single coos over your back and you're done. Yeah, it's not. I made my boy, my boy carried down his own on this last time. Yeah, you're probably looking like anyone who's told you they shot a small one because they just wanted the meat, you're full of crap. Did they weigh like, you might get 30 pounds on one of those things. They're not big.
00:44:46
Speaker
Yeah. I think you guys are probably similar. I think when we go to like Sonora, they're about 110, 115 pounds. But up here, you should be 90, 100 pound buck. They're not that big. And you're not getting the tone of meat off that thing when it's all said and done. If you like coz deer hunting that much in the Gila wilderness, there are coz deer. You can hunt some cool timber bucks up there. And we actually saw a few
00:45:08
Speaker
on our elk in september and the i don't know how to judge a cozier i've never really gotten good at it but they look pretty good size it was weird seeing them up there yeah with the cuz do you looking for is you want the main beams like the main beams are coming together it's a big year right and you're going on i guards right one of those four five and john guards.
00:45:27
Speaker
You are those big g2s that's what you start to realize it's a big deal to start counting points and see how big it is but i'm not no expert on this it's hard to see you see a good year like you talk to a guy from in the country like i just want what is that you don't understand like my kids shot i think it was like i put tape on it was probably mid 80s
00:45:46
Speaker
But he had the mass, he had the eye guards. We probably passed 15 bucks till we got to that one. And you just, oh, that is a good representation of this species, right? You want, you really want, what you want a three by at least. Typically a four by is a lot harder to come by. They don't really go for it. Most of them it's a three, a big three. Doesn't even look for it. Looking for that mass.
00:46:05
Speaker
For the main games to come together get that four six inch cap right there and they won't be beyond the ears either. Go get them like out to the ears. The 13 to 14 inch front. They always look like real basket-y to me. It just looks like a big basket on top of their head. But they have a mask. They have a weird mask. It's just crazy. The ones that we've been seeing anyways. They're just different.
00:46:27
Speaker
They're different and they're really cool. And the cool thing is too, I'm not, I lay with kuzu and you can just shoot one that's cool too. Cause they're like, we killed a buck in a unit that nobody, it's supposed to be a terrible unit. We killed three bucks in two days. This is, I don't know, it's 2020 or something.
00:46:43
Speaker
My buddy Shaw was just a big fork. He was a fork, but he had seven-inch eye guards. He was like, oh, a buck. He just wasn't even more than a fork, but he had these eye guards that were six, seven inches. The eye guards almost went as tall as the main beams. It was really neat. It's fun to shoot a gear like that, just something different.
00:47:04
Speaker
Honestly, any cruise deer is a representation. With your bow, depends on how picky you want to be, but cruise deer are very, very hard to get close to. Those deer are very hard to get close to. We got this one unit figured out in Arizona, and we probably see 40 deer a day. We receive bucks every day. One of the last mornings, I glassed up this little buck, another buck, and then there's a bunch of does. Also, here comes this lion into the canyon.
00:47:32
Speaker
And he comes in and then we're like four of the archers line. He's on his back and he's rolling around and doing the whole game. It's really cool to watch. I didn't get any content because I suck. I have the all and have the whole thing. And then all of a sudden this cat goes over this canyon and you just hear
00:47:57
Speaker
I have some friends over there that run dogs. No one wanted to drive down. Those units take
00:48:07
Speaker
hair you up and then I got that cats paw in them every single you push storms I had a thorn in my finger and it felt like I almost I don't know what like I don't want to say a pimple but it's like my finger I'm like man there's something in here like a splinter and I keep a week later I freaking pop that thing and over a quarter-inch cats no came out of my fingers and they live in places where everything bites down there really fun
00:48:31
Speaker
So you got that, and you're probably filming Spring Bear, right? We don't have Spring Bear here in New Mexico. We do. It's a draw, but we didn't draw that this year, sadly. But we're going to try to look for some other opportunities through our schedule. We'll do some javelina hunting, I'm sure. And then we always go turkey hunting. So we'll probably try to hit that, do a little bit of fly fishing up in the Gila. That's always a nice little breakaway from everything.
00:48:54
Speaker
Yeah, so that's what we do in the springtime for now. Next year, after this year, hopefully everyone likes our stuff that we're putting out and we can experiment with some different states and different style hunts. So that's what we're looking forward to this year, though. Guys, you enjoyed turkey hunting?
00:49:10
Speaker
I do. I think it's elk hunting. I know a lot of people say that, but it is. You're calling an animal in, which is a blast. When you get animals to respond to you and they come running in, it's a lot of fun. We go up every year with the family. We'll go to this place near Silver City, New Mexico, go call some turkeys, and then there's a big lake there where we'll go trout fishing. You get a little bit of everything all in one shot. We'll stay for two weekends, so it's a good time.
00:49:36
Speaker
That's awesome. Yeah, it's I've done it. I've never killed a turkey. I've had, I've called them into people that people kill them with me. I've called them into my kids, I've called them into friends, I haven't killed them. It's just, I don't know why. I know people just love it. And I'm like, bam, like to me, I'm just like, this is boring. It's boring. And all of a sudden it's not, it's boring. And all of a sudden there's a freaking turkey there. And it's the most exciting thing in the world. So it's, I get that you'll get so hooked on it.
00:49:59
Speaker
It's hard. Here, people have a hard time because a lot of people hunt off the road and it's not that they're not there. They just don't respond to calls. They just don't respond to calls off the road and they think it's the hardest thing ever. We'll go fly fishing back into the Gila five, 10 miles and they'll be gobbling everywhere. We called two gobblers right into our camp. You just got to get off the road and hunt them like elk, but no one wants to do it because it's just a turkey.
00:50:25
Speaker
So you talk about, are you guys doing a lot of backpack hunting and backpack style trips? Yeah. So most of what we do is backpack hunting, especially as we were doing a lot of backpack style hunting. And then we did, we've done a little bit for deer. I think the Coos deer hunt this year, we're going to try to do like a camp on back and just stay very mobile. And then like even my Orcs hunt, we didn't backpack. We were walking through the desert doing things that typically people don't really do.
00:50:52
Speaker
And we do it because it's fun and you get to see some good scenery but we're also trying to do it while we can before we get too old cuz time freaking flies. It does do it i said i'm most thirty eight now and it's the first year of snow down like my left me is killing me still like it's. I'm like man i just i drive my bike i stole it i will i will rely on that freaking.
00:51:16
Speaker
tent every morning and hop my boat off. I'm to the glass window an hour, half hour, an hour before sunrise, and I'll just go until there's nothing left in the tank. But this is the first year where I'm like, man, this is harder than it used to be. I'm not jumping off rocks. I'm
00:51:32
Speaker
bracing myself coming off the rocks. It's harder than it used to be. Oh, it definitely is. I definitely want to get a man and do it before he can. It takes a toll on your body, even for me. We came back from, we were in the Hila wilderness on mules. We went, I think nine miles deep this year and just had a crazy hunt. But
00:51:49
Speaker
I think I did all in all from scouting through the summer and that I probably did anywhere from five to six hundred miles and my body was just shocked. I was tired. I was in the best shape of my life but the first weekend I had back home I just was a couch potato. I don't think I left the couch all day. I watched football instead. Then you get kids and you get home from home and it's your wife's little note.
00:52:14
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take the kids. I rolled into town at 2 a.m. on Thursday. I had to go to work the next day, my day job. And I got home and I had those kids all weekend and there was no laying on the couch. It was like, that's how I've seen you forever. My four-year-old, even my whole, I did my four-year-old, like, this one had a FaceTime. He hits his FaceTime, and the whole time I'm on the hook, I'm like, dad, why are you talking like that? You're so unexposed. See him, stop calling me. I want a FaceTime. No, I can't FaceTime him.
00:52:44
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What's going on? Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the day that happens. That's really cool. Yeah, it's a whole, I wouldn't trade it for the world. It's awesome getting them out there and doing it and then having them all get older, like by 10 year olds on deck now, right? He'll be hunting next year. He should draw some, he has a points now. He'll select your own tags and some states and it's awesome. We're hitting that hour mark. Where can we find you? Where's your content at? Totally your Instagram, YouTube, all the stuff.
00:53:08
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Yeah, so you can find us on pretty much all social media, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok. It's just at HeLaMonsterOutdoors. Same thing for YouTube. We have a YouTube channel there with some good videos and stuff. But yeah, those are all the places that you can find us. And if you guys want to message us and learn more about New Mexico, just feel free to shoot us a message. We've been trying to help out as many people as we can.
00:53:28
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Awesome, dude. Gavin, this was an awesome podcast. Some great stuff. I'm excited for this if you're coming out with. And let's do it again. Why don't you guys go kill a barber and let's do it again in the spring and talk about that barber. You're a fun podcast dude. Go follow him on the set of doors. Go watch their videos. Just some normal dudes out there trying to get it done and not making mistakes and killing animals and it's giving you the real deal. So I recommend them highly and they should come around, bro. Let's do it again. Awesome. Thanks, dude.
00:54:01
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