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Slice #3: Finding Awe in Food
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The host sits down with multi-talented teacher, programmer, photographer, and cooking enthusiast, Jeremy Young to explore how food can inspire awe and wonder in our everyday lives. From posh PB and J's to discovering global cuisines, they discuss how mindful eating can transform the ordinary into the extraordinary.
You can find Jeremy at jeremyjgyoung.com or on IG at @jeremyjgyoung
00:00 Host intro
04:00 Guest greetings
04:47 Exploring the Magic of Food
07:10 Personal Stories of Culinary Awe
09:40 Cultural and Personal Connections to Food
12:17 The Role of Attention in Food Appreciation
15:57 Food Rituals and Their Significance
32:03 The Power of Eating Together
Awe's regulatory effect on food
Mindful eating's effects on enjoyment
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Transcript
Introduction and Transition from Music to Food
00:00:22
Speaker
What's up fellow humans? And welcome back to a little slice of awe and wonder, a cozy podcast about my two favorite emotions. So last week we talked about music, one of the eight wonders of life cited by our research.
Joy in Culinary Experiences
00:00:35
Speaker
Our topic today is not specifically on this list, but is definitely another source of awe and wonder. And that is food from the juicy, gooey, crunchy bite of a double, double animal style in and out to the gastronomical adventure of a meal at the French laundry.
00:00:49
Speaker
Food brings us joy when we pay attention in the right way. So I fortuitously watched the Disney movie Ratatouille last night, and I stumbled upon a really awesome connection between the first two episodes. So in the beginning of the movie, the main character Remy says, food is like music you can smell and taste. And the quote is accompanied by the swirl of colorful shapes as he savors the mixtures of different fresh ingredients. And he has this look of awe and wonder in his eyes.
00:01:16
Speaker
So not only is this an awesome metaphor, but it also makes a great point about our senses that are always in constant communication with each other. Nothing is is siloed off. So not only is our sense of smell responsible for what some research sites is about 80% of what we taste, but sound also plays a role. So for example, perpetual loud noise impairs our sense of taste. So people on an airplane, um you know, when when the engine is really loud for the whole flight, they can't they can't taste as well as they would in a quiet environment. So which is one of the reasons why people report airplane food tasting so bad. So you can at least partially blame the noise for your next terrible airplane meal. But more importantly in this movie, they show two contrasting ways of approaching food. So one of something like survival and one of this appreciation in this in this awe and wonder.
Mindful Eating and Its Impact
00:02:14
Speaker
So Remy's brother, Emil, for example, he just scarfs his food down and doesn't appreciate the difference between garbage, in in this case, literal garbage, and, you know, gastronomical art, let's say. So I'm i'm definitely like that most of the time. I'm definitely Emil. I love scarfing food and um I often, you know, will eat something so quickly. I don't even remember what I ate.
00:02:37
Speaker
So this is something I want to change. um And so if you wanna join me this week, I'm gonna try to eat more mindfully for at least one meal a day. And more specifically, I'm going to try and notice new flavors I haven't before. So they they've done studies that have people mindfully eat a raisin, thinking about you know the various flavors that they might taste in that, sweet and salty. um And they show that subsequent meals,
00:03:04
Speaker
um are more enjoyed and you know and perhaps even enhances the wonder that they feel at subsequent meals. um Also, there's research on the regulatory effect of awe on indulgent food consumption.
00:03:20
Speaker
So meaning that you know awe and wonder at the incredibleness of food can help curb your indulgent cravings and appreciate the incredibly diverse world of taste and smell that we're usually blind to. And and so we're going to talk about a lot of these things in more detail. Today, I spoke with multi-talented teacher, programmer, photographer, and cooking enthusiast Jeremy Young about the awe and wonder associated with his experiences with food.
Guest Introduction: Jeremy Young
00:03:49
Speaker
So I'm really excited about this and hope you enjoy. So please welcome the awesome Jeremy Young to the podcast.
00:04:07
Speaker
Brother from another mother, man. Hey. Welcome to a little slice of awe and wonder. How are you doing? I'm doing well. How are you doing? Fantastic. I'm super excited to talk to you today about one of your specialties, which is food. But maybe before that, can you give just a little intro on who you are? Yeah, ah sure. I am Jeremy Young. I am a human, so I like to eat things. And eating and cooking are some of my favorite things to do. And you're an incredible chef, man.
00:04:43
Speaker
I'm looking forward to your eventual cooking series coming out in the future. I appreciate that. Thank you. And one of my favorite humans, man. So happy to have you on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I love this prompt. I know it's not one of the eight wonders of life as detailed in Decker Keltner's book, Awe.
00:05:04
Speaker
But it does seem like there's a bit of research on how food can definitely inspire awe and wonder in people.
Awe in Culinary Discoveries
00:05:12
Speaker
It's really just magic. I was thinking about it this week about how, you know, we just forget that a piece of bread becomes, you know, scooter and through some magical process. So it really is a source of awe and wonder. But I'm wondering if you have a personal story that you want to share with regards to food or or cooking. Yeah, that's a great point. It's interesting hearing all these different diets and fads and health advice and folks in Alaska eating mostly fish.
00:05:44
Speaker
And Italians eating all these carbs yummy pasta and pizza all look kind of human all look kind of the same so yeah that is a really great point give me the prompt one more time sure here's the little slice of on wonder prompt so what is a personal story of off when you encountered a vast mystery that transcends your understanding of the world.
00:06:06
Speaker
And it doesn't have to be grandiose. It could be a time when you're eating something unfamiliar and one of the flavors really popped out at you and you didn't realize food could taste like that. Yeah. So what I think of as awe can arise from the ordinary.
00:06:23
Speaker
just in a slightly different setting. So you avoided lactose for a while and then accidentally got a burrito with some sour cream and cheese. And I just looked over when we were eating burritos and I was like, this man is on a different plane right now.
00:06:43
Speaker
And I think that the ordinary can feel extraordinary at times. Maybe you you get a hug and that's a greeting and that's ordinary, but after you've experienced loss and you hug a loved one, like, that embrace means something different. And so the interesting thing about food is we have a lot of it like three times a day we're eating oftentimes and it is so ordinary yet if the setting is right it can be extraordinary.
00:07:18
Speaker
I think one of those times for me was in college when I was around new people. And one of the fun things about having new friends is they show you new food. And in San Diego, where we went to school, there's- Yeah, UCSD.
00:07:35
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's a spot that has like some really great Asian food.
Cultural and Contextual Influence on Food
00:07:42
Speaker
And I remember getting Okonomiyaki and I realized that Japanese food could be a lot more than sushi and bento boxes and ramen. And I was like, how much is being hidden from me? um And I think when you have something new, that's at the beginning of life.
00:08:06
Speaker
is pretty commonplace. But as you grow older, you have less new stuff. So I think when I had okonomiyaki, I was like, this means that there's more out there that's delicious. And I remember being with friends and having a good time, but like biting into that first bite, which there was like a layer of beef and noodles and pancake mix and it was just like this tastes familiar. I've had all these things separately, but somehow together there's something completely new and made me really want to go to Japan and see what else was was hiding from me. Yeah, which we did incredibly. We had Okonomiyaki there.
00:08:53
Speaker
That's right. So um like the first time I went to Japan was before we went together. And I remember one of my goals was to find Okonomiyaki where it's most popular. So in the Kansai region, they they make some of the better Okonomiyaki out there. And so I made sure that I made a trip down that there and tried some regional different things like they do different layers and some people use cabbage and some people use noodles in different ways. But it felt like being a kid and maybe eating ice cream for the first time and just realizing
00:09:39
Speaker
that the world's so much bigger. And I think because food is so ordinary, it is so interesting having something new. Yeah. There's so many things I want to pick up there. um One of them is that feeling of, wow, what have I been missing? I love that. Yeah. Because one of those things that awe does is it connects you to a larger historical and cultural context.
00:10:03
Speaker
And so people that experience awe, they tend to see everything as connected to this bigger story. And so you had your original idea of Japanese food was like, okay, sushi and ramen. And then all of a sudden you had this one other thing and you're like, wait,
00:10:22
Speaker
It's probably way more rich and vibrant gastronomy full of other things so that's that's so beautiful. And there's even a paper on tourism and gastronomy, and it does mention how novel food experiences for travelers can lead to those lasting memories associated with awe.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yeah, I think one of the first questions I ask when someone goes to a new country or comes back from traveling is, what's the best thing you ate? And while traveling, like that's something that's really powerful. And part of why I enjoy traveling so much is being exposed to those things that feel hidden from you and like ice cream from a baby that hasn't been exposed to ice cream before and you don't see them light up. I think that same sort of thing happens to me. But yeah. You brought up another cool point about your first experiences with stuff as a kid. you know Kind of like how we start to tune things out that we've seen over and over again. You sort of tune out taste experiences as well that you've had over and over again.
00:11:30
Speaker
But i somehow I still have this memory of my first time eating something sour. And I called it spicy, I think, because I just didn't have the vocabulary for it. you know right right I think it was like a lemon or something
Mystery, Knowledge, and Awe in Food
00:11:43
Speaker
like that, one of those standard things. But I remember having this weird sensation of having no words to describe this new experience.
00:11:51
Speaker
Yeah, I can remember exactly where I was. It's so, so weird. Yeah, it's interesting that tell just now how like vocabulary shapes our experience and cultural relevance to like, to someone who grew up in Hiroshima. That's not novel, but maybe I know some people who come from Japan who's like, Oh, in and out. It's really awesome. It's crazy. It's so good. Or like,
00:12:16
Speaker
things that feel pretty commonplace and are less likely to elicit a feeling of awe for me. This is something I i thought about in the in the shower a shower thought around food is I was thinking about some of the food experiences that made me feel awe.
00:12:35
Speaker
And part of it, that awe and wonder is, I don't know how they do this thing. And now that we have access to how to do everything, it's kind of like showing in the magic trick.
00:12:49
Speaker
Like for some reason, you might have seen these things on social media where someone shows a magic trick and then someone shows how the trick is done. And it feels so lame after they show that it was just a rubber band that attached the ribbon or whatever it might have been. And for me, I think like not having cultural context for certain things, like none of my parents are Indian. And so Indian food always seemed like a mystery to me because as like I was like, I haven't seen my parents make it, I haven't made it. And before YouTube was really good or there was like a place to search the world's knowledge.
00:13:31
Speaker
You were kind of left with wonder. And I wonder if that relationship to how does it work in just holding that unknowing feeling or maybe searching for months on your own. yeah That relationship to not knowing has changed our relationship to wonder.
00:13:49
Speaker
That's so cool, man, because we just talked about this on the podcast with Tim on the last episode because he made this analogy of when he goes to concerts now, he kind of feels like sending the chef to the kitchen. He's sort of analyzing what's going on. But then deeper than that, we both came to the conclusion that it's more about your disposition to whatever it is that you're um engaging with.
Mindful Eating and Sensory Experiences
00:14:14
Speaker
So in this case, it would be music, but in your case, it would be like eating something awesome or drinking something. And it's still a wonder in a way why you have that reaction to certain flavors. you know Just because you know how something's made, I don't think you know necessarily pulls you out of the magic of man. This is
00:14:35
Speaker
really amazing. Like this flavor just hits all the right spots. And when I listen to music, I can be in two different modes. One is sort of this more analytical mode where I can think of something as banal and, you know, like this chord progression. i I know that this is already. yeah um But at the same time, even for music that I understand completely,
00:14:59
Speaker
It could still be magic how it all comes together and makes me feel that way. Yeah. I wonder for like bri bringing the chef into the kitchen, they're like, yeah, that makes sense. But I think sometimes when it's done in a certain way, you're like, wow, that is hard, you know? Yeah. Like do you have, you know, you have a appreciation for things at a deeper level. I remember I was just starting to learn the drums and just starting to learn the guitar. And I had my first moment where I like i almost cried. I was like tearing up listening to Jimi Hendrix. I was like, beautiful because I understand enough to know that it's good, I wonder if sometimes the magician appreciates the magic
00:15:51
Speaker
more, but it it's more rare, I guess. um Yeah. You know, I think it does come down to attitude. Yeah. And this is kind of related to something else I was thinking about. I wanted to ask your opinion on because food, like you were mentioning in the beginning, is so commonplace because we have to eat every day pretty much unless you're fasting or something. Right. But we eat so regularly that we have to develop this interesting relationship
Sacredness and Rituals in Food
00:16:24
Speaker
with food where we need it.
00:16:25
Speaker
And I think that leads to a tricky space with regards to awe because food more easily than a lot of other things can turn into something that's less awe inspiring and more done out of this sort of palliative indulgent, you know, all about consumption. Like if you ever had the experience of just scarfing food and then being like, did I, what did I eat even? yeah Right.
00:16:53
Speaker
I think you can get into that mode really easily with food and people that struggle with food addiction probably eat less mindfully. But the other mode of being with food in that different way where you're mindfully eating, you're analyzing the flavors, you're taking the time to think about it, I think is the space where awe can arise in food. Yeah, this reminds me of like sometimes I intentionally will take something that is really commonplace like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and I'll get the most expensive peanut butter and the most expensive jelly and most expensive bread and cut you know big slabs of that bread
00:17:40
Speaker
and appreciate it and sometimes drink them milk and I'm like when it comes down to it I'm eating a peanut butter jelly sandwich and drinking milk which could feel childish or commonplace.
00:17:53
Speaker
But because it is ordinary and you are giving it attention, it becomes interesting. It leads you to a different place and makes you realize like all these times I'm eating is like pretty interesting and mysterious as well. You were saying you can eat a piece of bread and that becomes you.
00:18:18
Speaker
yeah It's almost like you're thinking about the food in a different way. you know On one level, it's just a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. But and there's also some research about if you know the origins of your food and it's presented artistically, you can increase the satisfaction and the joy you feel at a meal. And um yeah you know also eating in natural environments does the same thing. I think it's part of getting into that mindset, sort of making the ground fertile the soil fertile for experiencing awe and wonder in eating. Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious in the book that has the eight wonders, things that are most likely to inspire awe
00:18:59
Speaker
Why do you think food was left out? Was it because it's so commonplace and people might have never experienced it? Well, what they did was they took this huge collection of personal awe stories. It was like 26,000 awe stories. Wow. I think it was 26,000 from 26 different countries. And they took them, they read them all, categorized them into basically the top eight just that were repeated stories of this is when I felt awe, this is when I felt awe.
00:19:28
Speaker
So it was more of just personal anecdotes tended towards these eight directions. So it's definitely not a, you know, exclusionary, like you can't find awe in other places. I think you could really find awe in anything when you dispose your attention in a particular way. But these ones were the ones that were most common amongst humans. Yeah. Oh, I wonder where this ranks on the family feud. If I were to say food, yeah is it right off the list?
00:19:58
Speaker
I would imagine at the end is the number number nine number ten. a That'd be sad if it was way down the list, man. Maybe it is because it's tied up it so much in everyday stuff, like you're saying. But it's easy to, you know, I would say the 98% of my meals are not mindful. I'm like, I'm scarfing food. I'm just hungry. Or maybe I enjoy it, but it's like a compulsive type of enjoyment.
00:20:29
Speaker
Yeah. Not to hate on, you know, a good in and out burger, man. I love it. but scooter is Scooter is a big, big fast eater, competitive eater. For all the listeners, yeah, I am ah sadly a really, really fast eater and I eat a lot. and no No problem with catching that train.
00:20:50
Speaker
If, you know, hypothetically you're having a quick meal. You only have 10 minutes to get the train. Yeah, this is cool. I'm curious, what's most likely to inspire awe in, let's say I get like a dinner group together. How can I most likely elicit awe in myself or friends who I'm cooking for? Like what do I cook? Where do I cook it? What's that look like?
00:21:18
Speaker
I think setting the stage is just as important. So I think there's the two factors, right? Because you want to get people in the right mindset, even just a prompt, watch out for these flavors or taste out for these flavors, I suppose. And I think secondly is,
00:21:34
Speaker
you know, cooking foods that might be unfamiliar because surprise elements in food are also shown to trigger these responses. um And so, just like you were saying in the beginning, man, the first time you had okonomiyaki, it opened up your mind a little bit. I remember, how you know, when we had suadero tacos the first time in Sayulita, I was like, whoa, but this is so good. Why have I missed out on this my whole life, you know?
00:21:58
Speaker
I think the world has to keep a secret from you, you know, that there's brisket, suadero tacos in Mexico, which is like, how can how can that not be amazing?
00:22:09
Speaker
Oh man, those are so good. But it was that surprise that like you had something new, sorry. No, no, I think the surprise is big, man. like When you're traveling, um'm just I feel so blessed that you know we got to travel so much together and experience a lot of different food all over the world. Taiwan,
Cultural Impact of Fast Food
00:22:29
Speaker
Singapore, Japan, Mexico. Food destinations. Yeah, I had some of the best meals of my life for sure.
00:22:39
Speaker
I appreciated being with you because I got a different perspective than I would have had. and you know The way I was raised in, my parents love fast food and stuff. And right and I think fast food culture sort of encourages the scarfing behavior. i feel I do feel like certain foods are a cheap substitution. They're like an air sats of real food. you know Fast food, it cheapens the quality of of really good, well-made, well-thought-out food with intention put into it. It's like the difference between a digital environment and a natural one. you know right Or even even the difference between a TikTok video and a movie. you know You're going to get something deeper when you pay attention for two hours to something.
00:23:27
Speaker
Like you go you go away with some life lesson, usually. I mean, unless the movie sucks, but. Yeah. Yeah. When, when I see him scroll Instagram, my partner, I see that she does it with like, is super interested in each post, which is interesting. So and I wouldn't completely discount the fast stuff. I think a lot of it is your attention given to that thing.
00:23:56
Speaker
Yeah, totally, no doubt. You're right about that for sure. Fast stuff can be equally awe-inspiring. I think the only thing is that habitual exposure or habitual engagement with fast things will set your, let's call it like a homeostasis at a particular place with regards to your attention, you know? Right. If you go to the gym and and you're used to going there for five minutes and doing, you know, one pull-up, you're gonna... Mostly go there and do one pull up, you know, and it's going to be really hard to suddenly do a three hour workout, you know, right? So I think that might be the issue is that, you know, habitual routine that involves really short attention grabbing things will definitely affect your attention.
00:24:44
Speaker
Yeah, so if you're used to fast media and fast food, youre you're scarfing down these things rather than giving the attention they maybe deserve. I bet in a way, you know like in and out or something, I can go there and really appreciate all the the flavors. It's so good. yeah Yeah. But at the same time, if I had a cheeseburger and fries every day,
00:25:11
Speaker
I wouldn't feel the same way about it, I wouldn't be consuming it in the same way. Yeah, that is part of why I think food is such an interesting thing as far as off because it is so commonplace. And that I think if you shift your attention, you are more likely to experience that.
00:25:29
Speaker
And it's interesting when you were talking about origin, like I was got really into coffee for a moment and one great roaster in the Bay Area, Hydrangea Coffee, I ordered a few nice coffees from them and they're like, oops, we ran out of one of them, so we sent you an even nicer one. And they sent me this like geisha coffee that was like $40 or something for 250 grams of coffee. So 10 cups of coffee was like 40 bucks or something. And I remember giving it the attention and watching like why are people interested in this and
00:26:10
Speaker
And that kind of increased the tension at least or like sometimes when you watch a good movie and then you watch people like explain why they really liked it or parts you might have missed or or themes throughout that brought the the movie together, it becomes a lot better. So like even even after the fact, I feel like you can appreciate the experience of something by giving it attention even after it's gone, like the movie or that the cup of coffee. But yeah, the Geisha coffee, it was just like interesting origin story of these Panamanian coffee growers who were like
00:26:56
Speaker
Oh, I think the coffee tastes different on different parts of our farm and just trying to isolate different flavors from different parts of the farm. They're like, this area is really good. And the coffee came from Geisha, Ethiopia, which is now bastardized to Geisha coffee. Oh, I always thought that's so cool. I always thought that it referred to Japanese Geisha or something.
00:27:26
Speaker
Yeah, me too, because it's like light and tea-like. oral Yeah, I love coffee too. You have this conversation a bunch, but it's amazing how many flavors different beans grown in different regions can create. When I was working at Bird Rock Coffee Roasters in San Diego, they were just giving me the lowdown because I didn't know anything about coffee at the time. But yeah, there's more flavonoids in coffee than in in wine. And you know, wine tasting such a celebrated, almost like a sport,
00:27:55
Speaker
ah right But coffee is actually more varied in terms of its flavor profiling. So they have this wheel of coffee flavors. Have you ever seen this? Like the coffee tasters wheel? Yeah, earthy, you know, ah floral, dirty. It's like, it goes from berry, really ah rough grain to fine grain. Like it'll be sour and what kind of sour? It's like a citrusy sour and grapefruit. Yeah.
00:28:23
Speaker
And that's what ends up on the package like this tasting note. I think this is again why food is so interesting is because I think probably part of the reason wine snobs are it's more commonplace than coffee snobs and yeah, I'm ah definitely a food snob and embrace that in like the positive light. Like I really appreciate nice things and um when people put like love and care into the process of
00:28:55
Speaker
making you something like that feels like love to me. That's my i love language. But yeah, like coffee is a once a day drink or so for some people like a 10 a day drink, you know, so it's... Yeah, my dad. But but ah wine wine is um
00:29:19
Speaker
for all drunk so less less offering that's that's true but that's true um Yeah, so I think commonality kind of makes you think like a peanut butter jelly sandwich or a coffee shouldn't be that good and that's kind of in part why I pursued how do you pour a really good cup of pour over and where do really good beans come from for coffee and How can I make the best peanut butter and jelly
Family Meals and Positive Effects
00:29:44
Speaker
sandwich? And yeah, when you when you convert something from the profane to the sacred, I think it's it's kind of magical because it it makes you realize like, I think i think the message for me
00:29:59
Speaker
Is that the profane is sacred like food is mysterious and magical like in all its forms and yeah, I think that's one of the reasons why pretty much every culture that we know of has some sort of ritual around food. Like in Japan, they'll say, and you know, eat the dakimasu before they eat, meaning technically speaking, it's, I humbly receive this thing. right um And then, you know, when you finish, say and goosa ishtat like it was literally, um you know, a feast and, you know, obviously before dinner, prayer, things like that.
00:30:34
Speaker
Every culture has some sort of way of turning this, pro like you were saying, profane practice right into something sacred. And you know that's what it's doing. You're doing something kind of magic in that, again, you're turning whatever thing you're imbibing into a part of you, your cells or you know your microbiome. So it really is this magic thing that's taking place. Yeah, I love that.
00:31:01
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't even even though I was using spiritual religious words like sacred and profane. I wasn't connecting it to religious practices. But yeah, breaking bread or the fact that Jesus is kind of immortalized in bread and wine. that's like yeah ah lent cracker Yeah, I thought like if if you're gonna say this is Jesus's body should be like pretty good.
00:31:31
Speaker
ah you the baptist a nice sourdough like Yeah, like this is a croissant. I think there might be more Christians showing up to church on Sunday if you like get a really nice croissant. And he says, this right here is Jesus. Because if you're like, oh, this kind of stale cracker that's been sitting around for a month, this Jesus, you're like, oh, that thats that's the guy? Yeah. At least throw some rosemary on it or something.
00:31:59
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Well, a little mauled on top with it. It definitely got to do a collab, Boudin. But yeah, i I mean, it is something that's universal. And you know what's crazy? I was researching for this. I had to do this webinar the other day. And there's so much research. There's hundreds and hundreds of studies on how eating to together, like simply just eating together as a family was an incredibly powerful intervention. Not changing any of the food, yeah not changing any of the nutritional components, anything like that. Simply eating with people, specifically the family unit was such an amazing intervention. Less obesity, you know, better. What's the intervention for?
00:32:51
Speaker
intervention meaning that if this was a a medicine that they prescribed, it would have been like a you know extremely successful medicine across many, many parameters, not just relationship health, but like immune parameters and things you wouldn't expect were associated with simply just eating together. And man, I find that to be true too. When we had meals together, when we were traveling, we weren't on our phones as much, you know maybe a little bit, but um Just the the the phone eats first. Gotta to snap that shot. Gotta snap that shot. Yeah. My former boss talked about this a lot. Sal Khan was talking about homework and making sure that kids have time to pause and eat with
00:33:39
Speaker
their family and that's something that he tried to practice, the the founder of Khan Academy. So I think that's something that's come up before as as powerful ah in like family dynamics, but it sounds like it's one of those things like sleeping well or yeah working out where it's like, oh, this is something we should do.
Conclusion: Mindful and Communal Eating
00:34:03
Speaker
It affects everything. Yeah. Eat eat with your families. eat with attention, if you want more. ah ah I think that's good homework, man. Yeah. Eat with other people this week, you know, try, set ah set a small goal, like one meal, make yourself a a real highfalutin, fancy peanut butter and jelly sandwich. That's right. And eat it as mindfully as possible. Milk if you're friends with that Thai Sakurai at Black Toast.
00:34:34
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