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What We Learned This Week: The Heritage Cup came home, MLS salaries dropped, and Galaxy match preview
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Niko Moreno joins Jeremiah to kind of recap the Sounders 3-2 victory over the San Jose Earthquakes. They also got into a discussion about the MLS salaries list that dropped this week. The two end the episode with a match preview for the upcoming LA Galaxy match.
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Recording Context and Guest Introduction
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Welcome back to another episode of Nos Adientes on the Sounder at Heart Podcast Network. We are here in the International District of Seattle at the Sounder at Heart headquarters.
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It's Friday. It's a beautiful day, beautiful rainy day here in Seattle. with Nico Moreno for another episode of What We Learned This Week. Nico, We had a busy week. Games. Lots of... What do you think? Call it for what is the studio.
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That's a studio the The Hollywood of the Seattle district. thinks right That's where we are at. i mean No, I am happy to be here. and know is It was a very...
Sounders' Midweek Game Analysis
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Fun week because you always have that midweek game where things kind of lined up a little bit differently. yeah And it was a good game. And the Sounders scored some great goals. I'm upset at some people over, you know, not giving enough relevance or importance to some of the goals situations that happen in that game. But other than that, I'm okay. Tell me. I'm intrigued. Man, I... You know what? I'm upset. MLS wrap up.
00:02:48
Speaker
Oh, you had already messed up by changing the format, but there were five goals better than Jesus Ferreira's goal. Give me a break.
00:02:59
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All mid range shots. Look, I love Bear Halter. There is a high likelihood that he was trying to put the ball where he put it, but there's also a percentage that tells me he might try to cross that. so How does Ferreira not get recognition is beyond me. Yeah, that's crazy. Ball week.
00:03:19
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I mean, 80 yards, little bit of a two-step
MLS Format and Goal Recognition Debate
00:03:24
Speaker
double move. and he And he also makes the turnover. And puts away. He also makes the turnover. And makes the turnover.
00:03:30
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah, I think that that was a great goal. Well, let's talk about the San Jose game since we're here. We'll we just so you know to give you a little rundown. We're we're probably going to talk about the salary drop. Yes. we'll do a little bit of a preview of the Galaxy game.
00:03:44
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But let's start with the San Jose game, which was a a really entertaining game. it was funny. Brian came into the postgame presser and was like beaming of like, wasn't that fun? And, you know, and it's funny because I doubt he would have been saying how fun it was if they had not got that late goal.
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But you do get a late goal and it changes things. And, you know, I think in a lot of ways they needed a game like that where they put up three goals and they got. You know, they got some really good play in general and they created a lot of chances. They've been creating chances.
00:04:16
Speaker
And yeah, San Jose was a really rotated lineup. And it's so it's, you know, you do take some of the shine off it. But the Sounders also beat San Jose when they rotated their lineup. I think what it tells me a lot is that sounds a is maybe a little deeper than we gave him credit for that. Bruce arena has really, his whole message has gotten all the way through the roster.
00:04:36
Speaker
And really in the second half, they had most of their big guys, you Preston Judd came on. He scored, obviously Bo LaRue came on. Bo LaRue is a good player. He's a good player. Jamar Ricketts, you know, they they they made some changes that that really boosted them in the second half. Buda came on. Buda came on.
00:04:54
Speaker
In the first half, I thought the Sounders were much the much, much better team. And that first, you know, let's start with the goal they gave up.
Sounders vs San Jose: Defensive Errors
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Speaker
In the first minute, Kalani Kosarianzi seems like he expects Alex to turn one way. He turns another way.
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Speaker
And he he didn't. I don't I don't know. I don't know if he really mishit it. I just think he expected him to do something different. And it just seemed like it all developed very slowly. And like Thomas was a little slow coming off his line. Jackson Reagan is a little slow to to cover in the back.
00:05:26
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But, you know, less than like a minute into the game, Soundzay had a lead through not really great pressing, just really not smart play by the Sounders. Too comfortable.
00:05:37
Speaker
Yeah. That's
Sounders' Gameplay Concerns
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the way I would put that. Yeah. It's just too comfortable. And my concern is not the play. My concern is one of the things that I learned and that i want to make sure that I i i highlight so that it gets taken care of.
00:05:55
Speaker
Bad habits are hard to get rid of. And time and time again, the Sounders have had several moments where either building out of the back or dropping back a pass is just too comfortable. And Brian mentioned it today where he said, look, it's easier to correct if it's one person. Right. But when it's several people or players, it's more difficult. So...
00:06:24
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that's one of the things that I was going to kind of talk about and you kind of segue into it. So going go ahead and use that. So, right. then Kalani maybe was thinking that Alex couldn't receive it it another way. Could that pass been better off to, I think Albert who was checking in Absolutely. Yeah.
00:06:45
Speaker
So those are the things that, This team needs to take care of because the result was great. And it was, the win was huge against, I don't care if it's, and there were seven changes to the team that faced Vancouver.
00:07:01
Speaker
But you need to be better at controlling the game. And you cannot allow
Second Half Dynamics and Key Plays
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Speaker
third-minute goal to happen because you're better than them. you're a team that, in my opinion, needs to be controlling the game a lot better. Yeah. I mean, they they did, you know, and to their credit, they came right back and started absolutely generating chances. sure And they did control the last, you know, 45 minutes basically ah the of the half.
00:07:29
Speaker
But they weren't they they also were very close to going into the half, trailing 1-0, if not for, to his credit, Kalani drawing a penalty off of ah you know a header that he gets a little lucky because Romney's arm is sort of hanging out here.
00:07:44
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But it's a penalty. I mean, that's a penalty all day long. I know there are some people talking about, oh, maybe you should have been called for a push out there. push There was a push, but I thought it was slight enough that you it would be tough to... to call it, especially on VAR.
00:07:55
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But, you know, the Sonners were a little fortunate to get into halftime tied one, one because they, even for all the chances they created, they hadn't scored until the penalty.
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Right. And, It's not easy. i think a lot of us look at the game and say, look, you gave up a goal in the first five minutes and it's easy to come back to. is It's not. It's difficult to be able to just regather yourself for Kalani to have as good a game as he had. And and I think you asked Brian about it because he's a yeah he's still a young player. he He's not, you know, jones's back you look at his minutes, you look at the amount of time he's had like ah at the first team level.
00:08:36
Speaker
And that sort of composure is not easy to have. i mean, typically, For those of you, and God, I'm kind of'm aging myself here, but if you remember Shane Falco in the replacements, there's a little bit of quicksand where something goes wrong, you try to do three or four things right, and those go wrong, and you just get deeper and deeper into it. But he really dug himself out, and and he was good. He had that opportunity. He was so close to scoring. That was a great just, he's outside, he's cutting side, nobody's pressing him.
00:09:08
Speaker
Usually you're expecting that player to just... Passed the ball, distributed. Nobody's coming in. He just takes it himself. Left-footed shot. Left-footed shot. and And he just – I don't know how that doesn't go in, by the way. I know. It it took a pretty nasty – I mean, even if he had – the funny thing is that if it doesn't he take the deflection, it might go in anyway.
00:09:26
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And then it takes the deflection, totally beats Daniel, and somehow hits like the inside of the post. And then it's like Danny Masofsky is almost there for the rebound. It doesn't quite – it was – kind of that it was shaping up to be that kind of first half. Yeah. So just all in all, I mean, it takes a lot of character from a player that age.
00:09:45
Speaker
And I think it does talk to the the greediness and that relentiness that we love from this Sounders team. But that that's a big praise for me. I thought that it took a lot for that the team and him and him as a player to dig himself out of that hole. So,
Sounders' Elite Potential Discussion
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yeah. So I would agree with that. I do think that,
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Those sort of situations test you to the next level. And that's why I'm not so concerned about the rotated lineup and then, you know, Judd and Rick is coming in and that changes in the game. Because this is the sort of game that you need to win you want to stay top of the conference. Absolutely, yeah. If you want to in the shield race.
00:10:30
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Whenever a team comes to you and they rotate and you feel like it's a catch game or whatever, that's when things go wrong. And you had a couple of games like that at Kansas City, here at home against San Diego, where you could you should have won that game and you didn't.
00:10:46
Speaker
So when you put your opportunities away and you werere able to dig yourself out of that hole, you've got praise it. Yeah, absolutely. And then they get the goal from Jesus early on in the second half. and And it did look like maybe they were going run away with it at that point.
00:11:01
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Jordan came on. He came real. oh I guess this is after the equalizer, but they created some chances in the second half. It looked like they were they were maybe going to get that third. But then Judd scores this goal really out of nowhere. I mean, they had not had much of the ball, but Preston Judd.
00:11:16
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he's a good little player. You know, he's a, and he's not little, he's a, he's kind of a big boy, but he is you know, I don't, it's funny how guys like that, he's 26 years old. I think somehow he's yeah sort of just hovered around like the fringe of the first team.
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And now that he's getting his chance, he's really done well with it. I like him a lot. I've had my eye on Preston Judd since the Galaxy, and he gets not done wrong, but he is unfortunate that l a Galaxy picked up Joe Vlitch, and Joe Vlitch is just a monster. He's the top-on-end that I absolutely love, and he takes his job. This is yeah from him, right? Yeah.
00:11:57
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He's doing his best Wondolowski impression, and he's just yeah so good in the box. yes He is. If you give him an opportunity inside the 18, chances that he's going to put it away.
00:12:08
Speaker
So this is a good team. And you saw the difference that he made inside. But I do not want to.
00:12:18
Speaker
um I do not want to not take advantage of this moment, of this time. to talk to all of you Jesus Ferreira haters and Are there still Jesus Ferreira haters?
00:12:31
Speaker
And say... I ain't mad at you. I ain't mad at you. Cause the boy can ball. The boy can ball.
00:12:42
Speaker
That goal was phenomenal, baby. And, and I think he propels the team from that goal moving forward because there was some oxygen taken out of Lumenfield, even after the equalizer and he brings it back. He,
00:12:59
Speaker
Oh my God, that goal really moved the team forward. And I thought that he grew into the game because of it. And you could tell the difference that a confident top form I'm going to take over the game Jesus Ferreira does for this team. well And it really helped out at just getting that third goal and just overall, overall, just getting the team heading into the right direction. Because if there is something that to me continues to be a bad habit is you allow the team that
00:13:38
Speaker
is less talented than you to stay in the game. You give them a lifeline because of a mistake or whatever. And then you can't regain that confidence to know that you're a better team. The Sounders are an elite team in the in the conference. and And I don't care who thinks otherwise. they They have the talent to be an elite team. And I think he reminded him the sounders after that game that we are him. We, we should be winning this game.
00:14:07
Speaker
And I think this is one of the, it's probably the best goal centers have scored this year. And it was sort of the first real individual effort goal. Yes. where Someone just said, give me the ball. I'm going to do something special with it. We don't see, mean, the Sounders are not really built as a team that expects that out of players, but it was a reminder that Jesus does have that in him. Totally.
00:14:27
Speaker
And I do think you're right that it lifted them. You know he came very close to setting up an assist for Jordan Morris after the equalizer. Such a such a good pass. And I actually thought Jordan made a a nice play on it. You know, a little unlucky that Daniel was able to get his his hand on it.
00:14:41
Speaker
But that was, you know, this was another game where both Albert and Jesus were just, they they looked like they wanted to impact the game seriously. Like they were, they you know,
00:14:52
Speaker
Albert had a bunch of passes that were, you know, setting up teammates and putting players in good positions. And Jesus is doing that, too. And I mean, this was the first game where it felt like the offense was starting to click. And yeah, they got a penalty, but they had they had some real scoring chances. And and and i was I was encouraged more by this. And then it has to be said, the goal that they get on the winner Nuhu with the assist, a gorgeous pass, and a really good finish. and i mean, I know he was open. He was he had space.
00:15:26
Speaker
You want him to do it, but that's a good finish. I was rewatching the game this morning, and
00:15:35
Speaker
I focused a lot on Nuhu. And it is, i know he's had this sort of talent, but he does just feel so much more mature. and on the field overall. There is the little, like, I don't know, incident he has with another player where maybe a couple of years ago he might lose his head and get real hot about it.
00:15:56
Speaker
He, look, he does his job, stands his ground, whatever, then moves on. um I thought that defensively he was excellent, but that pass for Osase, I even asked Osase about it, he was look, it was a great ball. Yeah, it was it was i mean it was a great ball. He also has the pass that sets up the penalty, it should be said. Yes, absolutely. So he had a great game.
00:16:18
Speaker
and i don't know if you want to talk about the nine yeah let's talk controversy. Yeah, I think because cause i mean it it continues yeah to be a thing. And, you know, I think on this show, even we mentioned that they have now played 11. Well, now they've played 11 games.
00:16:33
Speaker
There's their strikers have five goals between them in in lee league play, which is good, which is not. Yeah, it's not too bad for me as four goals, but whatever they have. They've they've been scoring.
00:16:44
Speaker
ah actually six goals across, let's say six goals across all the competitions for their forwards. None of those games, those six goals though, have come in games where the starter was the, was the, the striker where they scored as a striker as it's the starting starter. Thank you. God, that took for work forever. that's all right.
00:17:02
Speaker
but All three of Mussovsky's goal has have come off the bench. All both of of Osazi's goals have come off the bench. And Morris's only goal came when he was starting on the right.
00:17:13
Speaker
And this is a continuing to be a thing where the Sounders have talent at the number nine. They don't, you know, and we've talked a lot about, oh could they get a DP nine or whatever? Like they I know everyone would love that to be the reality.
00:17:27
Speaker
But in the short term, they really need someone to step up and take this position. And I don't know that we're any closer to knowing who that is now than we were, you know, a couple of weeks ago.
00:17:40
Speaker
And it might be even more difficult, right? Because it seems to be a thing where whoever starts just not scores. And then, you know, look then so sounds keep pinch a lot of people and I understand it. Like, look, the Danny big Brigade out there wanted him to be the guy up top.
00:17:57
Speaker
has plenty of data, at least as of last year. and And if you look at the games that he's been able to come in and make a difference to say, look, he should be the starting nine. But he had a lot of opportunities in this game to put the ball away. Right. And he couldn't. And he looked frustrated. He looked f frustrated. He was trying to do other things. He was getting out-physicaled and out-performed by the defense. i mean, it it wasn't a great game for Danny Mussovsky. And then Dero comes in, does his job, and he continues to be the guy that, look, if it's not Jordan...
00:18:30
Speaker
I got it and I feel terrible, but I really like Dero. Like he, he just looks so, I mean, so dominant on the ball. He's so good on the air. gets in the box. He, he knows how to find the game. I mean, he had the, he had a play in the buildup to the goal, the last goal that sort of helped keep it alive. He, you know, he keeps doing things that. We're going to killed in the comments.
00:18:53
Speaker
are we They're going to murder us. but But you know what? I don't even care. Because look, there has been so much Morris slander that it needs to be talked about. It may be not just around the nine but situation, but I understand that Jordan Morris, because of his name, the DP title,
00:19:18
Speaker
there's a lot of pressure and expectation because his name correlates with all-time leading scorer. So you think goals. And I understand that.
00:19:29
Speaker
I've said this
Player Performance and Roles
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Speaker
myself. I think decisiveness has not been there for him recently. he has had opportunities in front of gold that he hasn't put away. but I think if you look at the overall body of work, he's been pretty good. I asked him today directly about it. And he said, look, I'm happy with my performances. And it's hard not to agree with him. ah I think that he's done his job. I think he's been dangerous. He's created chances. He's had opportunities on goal. He gets a goal disallowed by a toenail.
00:20:05
Speaker
And so for me, i just want to judge him as Jordan, the player and not Jordan, the designated. Yeah. And I do think that ah he's a player who is hurt by the designated player tag and more so than the money is just that it's this idea that he should be this dominant force. And he's not a dominant force in that way.
00:20:26
Speaker
a lot of that is just, he hasn't been able to be on the field a lot in the last year and a half or so, but he, if you just look at his production, he's, There's no reason he should he he has a place in this team. Sure. I think he is... is a starter. As a starter.
00:20:41
Speaker
And i don't I just feel like we get too wrapped up sometimes in the commentary about is he a DP or not? And it's like... i That's not really a worthwhile debate. He is a DP.
00:20:55
Speaker
And the question then becomes, well, how do we best use him? What's the best use of him? And it's being on the field. And so that I just don't have a lot of patience for the, is he worth a DP spot or not?
00:21:07
Speaker
Because it's just it he is one and there's not. And he earned it. Let's it should be said he did what he was supposed to do to earn the contract. Now, you want to get mad about, you know, the ownership not spending more? Do you want to get mad at Craig Weibel for putting that in this?
00:21:22
Speaker
Sure. Look, if you want to have that discussion, you can. But don't put that on Jordan. No. And what I would say to that is that's the price that took to keep him here.
00:21:35
Speaker
Now, do you guys out there in the world and comment or whatever, do you feel like this team will be better off with Jordan Morris? Cause the other universes that you use that, I don't know, 500,000 that put him in as a
00:21:56
Speaker
Could you go get a better nine or a better player that effectively does more for you in the final third for the overall salary that Jordan has?
00:22:11
Speaker
I don't know. i don't think so. No, you know what? I definitely could tell you no. Even if you go out of MLS, it's going to cost you $1. five to six million. i mean, that's that's really what it is. Yeah. Get you a real nine. That's going to put it away. That's going to come in prepared at 23, 26 years old proven. And that's low. I'm going low five five to six million. And not even that is a guarantee. So I'm not sitting here telling you guys that,
00:22:45
Speaker
I don't want that team to spend more of the position. I'm just saying that in a universe where you didn't pay Jordan Morris a DP tag to keep him here for the last, what, two years or whenever yeah that contract was made, i just don't think the team would be better for that amount of money. You couldn't get him to eat that.
00:23:05
Speaker
And I think that's where people don't see it correctly. And maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm looking right here. Dion Jovulic, the Sporting Kansas City, spent $4 million dollars to bring him in.
00:23:17
Speaker
If the Sounders were willing to do that, it might be, you know, I would love to bring in i ah you a Jovulic and push Morris out to the wing if you can figure out a way to do that. But that's what they have to, that's that's a different, that's not a Jordan Morris question. That's a, totally is there a budget question?
00:23:33
Speaker
ah But what, this is maybe a good transition to talk a little bit about the salary dump that just came out. MLSPA, the union always puts out Twice a year, at least they they release all the salary data for their players.
00:23:46
Speaker
And, you know, we spent some time putting it together. don't know that anyone came in. There wasn't a huge surprises for the Sounders. I would say the biggest surprises were knew who got a big raise.
00:23:59
Speaker
You got more than I thought. Yeah, he got like a 40 percent raise. That's a pretty, you know, he he got. So that was more than I think that we thought. ah Osase De Rosario got a like triple the salary. And that was a little more than we thought too. But I, I think in both cases, i think it's important. And with all of these, it's important to understand the context, which is it's not as simple as what are these guys worth?
Player Salaries and Strategic Decisions
00:24:26
Speaker
Like on a one-to-one basis, it's like, what's the market willing to pay for them? And I think with Osase, the situation was look, we need to offer him enough to make it to entice him want to sign a long extension. Cause if he, if we go too low, he's just going to say, look, I'll take my chances.
00:24:45
Speaker
I'll play for another year or two. And maybe I'll, and know, I'll probably get, Oh, if I do as well as I think going to do, I'll get a lot more. And so they had to, they had to bump them up. And I think right now I'm totally fine with him. He's on 325,000, something like that.
00:25:00
Speaker
and then with nehu I know we, he was probably looking for a little more than he got, but he got, you know, he's he's up to eight 35 now, which is, you know, much closer. I think that he's no longer to the bargain that he was for a long time, but that's a decent, you know, I don't, I don't really mind that even if it's a little more than I thought he would be able to get, but the guy is a Cameroon captain. He's an international and look, he's been playing as well as you could ask this year.
00:25:29
Speaker
He has, and he's a lockdown defender that is progressively developing and getting better offensively. You just saw that this Wednesday.
00:25:40
Speaker
So for me, Osasip is probably the biggest surprise, is the one I was not expecting. And you and I talked about this earlier. Off the mics where maybe if you're paying this player an extra $100,000 that you would typically pay him just to make sure that if he blows up and going into this season, it seemed like he was going to blow up. You look at Marbella.
00:26:08
Speaker
You look at the profile. You look at his... numbers where you think that if he could put it all together, man, this guy's going to be a a great player for this team.
00:26:22
Speaker
Then you're just kind of making sure that that number doesn't go any higher. Because if Osase... in another in another universe comes in and has six goals in this span of of of of games, all of sudden, that type of profile player at his age, with his frame, with that talent, with his name, you know, all of it, it's going to cost you six, essentially. So when I look at the numbers, I do think that the Sounders are doing a lot of smart business.
00:26:55
Speaker
Danny Mussovsky is another one that maybe I want to talk about because it does kind of feel like maybe that seems high for the profile, but then you had to reward him for the season he had last year.
00:27:11
Speaker
And so I'm fine with it. it gives and and It ends up being about a 20% raise over what he was making. oh that That's less than I thought. Yeah. i mean, he's 712, which is...
00:27:22
Speaker
Not, you know, that's his guaranteed comp. Huh? That's not, I don't, I feel like that's actually a pretty good value. Yeah. Uh, you know, Hassani Dawson was a, maybe a little higher, but we knew, I think we all knew that this was, uh, you know, he's on eight 28, which is a little, actually a little bit more than the map. That's the max that he could get as a free agent.
00:27:40
Speaker
And we kind of knew that he was probably going to max out that he also gets about a 20% raise over what he was making previously. ah And he hasn't, you know, I would say up to now he hasn't quite lived up to that tag, but that's not, I don't think it's, you know, we talked about this. It's not him. It's Snyder. And I think that's where we get into a little bit of a,
00:28:01
Speaker
of a, it's hard to have these conversations about the salaries because how much a player gets made is almost, or gets paid is almost as much about their circumstances as it is about what they're worth.
00:28:11
Speaker
And so, you know, you can look at Snyder and say, look, he only makes a hundred thousand dollars. That's a great bargain. And it is, but he also had no negotiating power when he signed that contract. He was a kid coming out of the Academy. And that's sort of like, well,
00:28:24
Speaker
the the the ah pattern you see repeating, which is what was there what was their negotiating power when they signed the deal? And a lot of these guys that are on low numbers, you know, Kalani Kosarianzi is $113,000.
00:28:37
Speaker
That's not a lot of money. But he was also a kid that was coming out of the draft. And I think that... ties in perfectly into trying to figure out where the Sounders are compared to other teams yeah when it comes to spending. Yes.
00:28:58
Speaker
That's the more, maybe more interesting thing to come out of this is where the Sounders rank. Absolutely. But because the Sounders have done themselves a huge favor by being able to go to their academy, go to their Tacoma Defiance group and be able to pluck and pick these players that are going to be effective and productive. And it's a good thing that,
00:29:23
Speaker
Hassani, regardless of what you spend, now is kind of forced to the bench because the guy that you picked out of your academy and Tacoma Defiance is outplaying him. right that Those are good. Those are champagne problems, absolutely in my opinion. right i mean That's what it is.
00:29:41
Speaker
Could you have not done that and not gotten... Hassani had that a price tag. that That'd be kind of unfair for me to say because you were not expecting Snyder to have this quick development. And I'm talking about me and and maybe even you.
00:29:59
Speaker
Obviously, you'd know more a lot more about the the the younger players than I do, but we've both been a... the training field. We knew what Snyder had. We were both really encouraged. i mean, he's taking a bigger surprise. Oh yeah. So I think it would have been a mistake to go into this season and just expect Snyder to have the season that he's had. and It was, it made a lot of sense to sign a Hassani as a backup, as a, as a insurance policy.
00:30:24
Speaker
totally and And that was the going rate, you know, that was the rate that he he could demand. And i don't I don't begrudge him that at all. What I think is also a little bit more interesting than the than the individual players is where the Sounders rank as ah as part ah as ah the whole league.
00:30:40
Speaker
And so the Sounders come in right now at number 18, which is basically mid table in terms of spending. And it's a little bit of a drop from last year. Last year they were 14.
00:30:52
Speaker
It wasn't that long. It was only 2023. I want to say that they were up near in like the top 10. And so they've come along, they've dropped down quite a bit. But I think one of the things that's important to remind ourselves is that spending in MLS has virtually no correlation to success.
00:31:10
Speaker
And a lot of that is because you have some outliers. Now, this year, you are seeing some interesting pattern. The bottom four teams in spending are all pretty bad. And the gap between those teams and the next tier of teams in terms of their spending, like mid table, like to make table, you do see some difference. I mean, like right now, ah Philadelphia is the lowest spending team at around $12 million. dollars And, you know, that's a, you know, that's $7 million, $8 million dollars less than the Sounders arere spending.
00:31:43
Speaker
And, but what my, I guess where I'm going with this is that really from spots five to spots 26, there's not that much difference in how much they spend. There's as much distance between the sounders at 18 and the 26 most, uh, the, the team that spends the 26 most and the team that spends the six months.
00:32:04
Speaker
So there's just not that much gap. And I think that's a lot of why you don't see how money correlates because you're, you're stuck with spending, you know, really the spending is telling you how much people are spending on designated players because you can't spend that much money on other players.
00:32:19
Speaker
And so anyway, uh,
00:32:22
Speaker
your I guess what my point is that you're seeing some stratification, ah but it's still not telling
MLS Spending Patterns and Success
00:32:30
Speaker
us that much. There's basically a minimum bar you need to spend to be competitive, and then it's sort of a crapshoot after that.
00:32:35
Speaker
But seeing Philadelphia at the very bottom does, don't know, make my spidey senses move because a lot of people, I think, have this...
00:32:50
Speaker
pre-assumption that the Sounders are cheap just because they can, because they have a good Academy and they can just bring guys in. right But I, the Sounders being that 18th tell me that they're pretty even with the way they handle their roster. Right. So so it's, it's smart business again, that, that word, whereas of Philadelphia, another very known,
00:33:14
Speaker
academy and a team that tends to really develop players. They're at the bottom because maybe they're, I think they pushed it this year. They did push it this year. Kai was gone, Baribo was gone, all these players were gone and they didn't do enough to replace those players. Right. And that's where they're last.
00:33:36
Speaker
But the Sounders, i feel like they're they've been pretty even. And I can see the comments already. I'm not saying that this is the greatest club in the world. I'm not saying that this is the way to do it.
00:33:47
Speaker
That's not what I'm saying. But you can ask some credit. Of course, it'd be great for them to spend some money. And, you know, if you want to take me on going out there and getting in that nine that we've been asking for, absolutely, Craig, Adrian, please do so. But...
00:34:05
Speaker
I don't know. To me, it feels like they're working the system in the best way of their ability. Absolutely. I mean, the Sounders are... I think it's crazy to suggest that the Sounders aren't spending enough to be competitive because they are competitive. They are. They are right there. Now, they aren't spending... Could they could they help themselves by spending more on transfer fees? Sure. sure Could they...
00:34:26
Speaker
Could they go out and get a free agent, a big free agent every now and then? Absolutely. I'm not telling, I'm not sitting here defending the unwillingness to make big signings.
00:34:39
Speaker
But what I am saying is that they are playing with, they understand the rules and that there's limited movement that you can make. I would love that for them to go out and sign a big player. If for no other reason, then it would be a way of getting some attention on this team.
00:34:56
Speaker
That is still I think they're they're still struggling, I think, sometimes to get people's attention and that a lot of people are seeing this as the same old, same old thing and that there's not ah enough different going on that makes them want to go out and come to the game.
00:35:10
Speaker
But they are spending enough to be competitive. And I think the front office deserves a lot of credit for finding value and to be competitive within a budget and finding creative ways. I mean, they they go and they sign a Peter Kingston and a Tina Lopez for virtually for free.
00:35:27
Speaker
And they're they're helping raise the floor of the team. Yeah, Peter Kingston. I mean, Tina Lopez. Those are guys that, to me, they're going to have some real minutes this season. They're going to be real contributors.
00:35:40
Speaker
You're getting them a great value. So I would love to see, just to conclude this, the top five teams. Yeah. Because I know Atlanta is one of those. well And in Atlanta...
00:35:52
Speaker
they have tried to throw money at the problem for at least three seasons and it has not paid off. It he just hasn't. So it's a lot more difficult than I think people think. And and I just wanted to throw that out there because love to contrast and just provide perspective on things. And so,
00:36:13
Speaker
It's not that simple. It's not about just throwing money at the problem. i mean, here's here's the top five. Inter-Miami, 54.5 million. That's not a surprise. And then it drops off a lot to LAFC at 32 million.
00:36:26
Speaker
They're number two. Number three is Atlanta, like you said, 27, almost 28 million. And then LA Galaxy wow at $26 million. and then you really and then And then it drops down a little bit more, and and you get into the mix of teams where it's just like there's just not that much difference between how much they're spending. But Cincinnati is number six.
00:36:44
Speaker
And that's another very irregular team. both Right, exactly. Very sporadic. You don't know what you're going to get out of them. right That 5-3 loss, I believe, was 5-3. mean, it was a shootout, but that's not a team that – gives you regularity and consistent play. So, I mean, again, it's just about perspective. And and it's not about getting Evander on a cash transfer and it's not going to get laughter lad for 20 million. It's about constructing a team that could
00:37:19
Speaker
be deep and that he can be cohesive on the field. So yeah call it, call it what you want. But I think that's the way I wanted to conclude that subject is just, there is this very unhinged idea that the only thing that sounders have to do to be at the next level is just throwing money at the problem. It's not that no it's not that simple. No, it's not. the and I mean, that's one thing that we've learned throughout the years is that
00:37:51
Speaker
buying success in MLS is very complicated. And that's how the rules are designed. I mean, the the league is working exactly how it's designed. And does that mean that forever it's going to be this way? No, but until they change the rules about how you can spend money, there's limited ways to buy success. And I think that every time the salary data comes out, it's interesting.
00:38:11
Speaker
That said, the total payroll in and MLS this year is almost $630 million. That's a lot of money. That's that's big bets. And, there were you know, we the league is spending quite a bit of money. And it's interesting how inefficient it still is. And it's almost inefficient by design.
00:38:30
Speaker
And in some ways, i I appreciate that the Sounders recognizing that. In other ways, I would love them to say, screw it. Let's go get a let's go spend 10 million dollars on a number nine or whatever. i would say that that number is probably.
00:38:43
Speaker
more than half of the La Liga teams oh have as a roster. For sure. And I'm saying that without looking at it, but yeah that is literally what it is, right? There's the three teams that we all know about, but below that, I mean, man, that that's probably about what they're spending.
00:39:03
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I think that we've said what we can say on that. Let's come back. We'll talk about the Galaxy game, which – Could be a pretty big game in all you know the grand scheme of things. ah They've got two more games before the World Cup break.
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LA Galaxy's Struggles and Sounders' Strategy
00:44:02
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Yeah. All right. Well, this Saturday, the Sounders have another game against the LA Galaxy. The Galaxy have been, you know, I think a lot of people thought this was going to be a bounce back year for them.
00:44:14
Speaker
i was always skeptical of that, and but they did out and they spent some money in the offseason. I think that was what sort of got people excited. But the money they spent in the offseason does not seem to have actually fixed their big problems, which were defensive. And they are still sort of a questionable defensive team. And they come into this one having just lost 3-1 to Sporting Kansas City. They are the only team this year to have lost to Sporting Kansas City. And they did that twice.
00:44:43
Speaker
What do you make of this this team? It's exactly what you just said. The acquisitions that you made during the offseason have not had the impact that you wanted him to have.
00:44:57
Speaker
There's been some injuries because Joe Claus being out lessens the effectiveness of that attacking power.
00:45:08
Speaker
i thought that he was very good. I think that he was in line to have a very good season. He was better than I honestly thought he was going to be. I love Joe Klaus. I call him the B2 bomber because he's just so good at just disappearing, reappearing in the box and making it just count. And he is low-key, you know, difficult to defend. But we're not going to talk a player that's injured. But I will say that...
00:45:34
Speaker
defensively, it's just the same issues as last year. They're just subjective in transition. Garces, a guy that had such a good first year, he's a man cannot get it back at all.
00:45:48
Speaker
Justin Hack, that the you know the the guy they got from New York, has not been able to get on the field. tactics to me are are the same as last season, but without the same power that that you had at one point with Ricky Pudge. I think, uh, Marcus Royce has been, he's good. Better than I thought of Ray. I mean, he's almost 37 years old.
00:46:09
Speaker
Absolutely. So were you hoping that he was going to be even better? i just, I don't know. Gabriel Peck is on and off. yeah You know, it's kind of hot and cold with him sometimes. So it's hard to bet on a team that, as I called it on Thursdays on soccer down here with John Nelson, they're a coin toss.
00:46:30
Speaker
and and And when you're a coin toss, you don't know what you're going to get game after game. And this point in Kansas City was the perfect example. But there are certain elements and concepts and principles that are not there for this team that, in my opinion, are going to bode well for the Sounders. Now, last time I said that was against San Diego, and it didn't pan out.
00:46:54
Speaker
So I'm hoping that that's not the case and that the Sounders are able to really find their same volume talent creativity and and chances, but with more impact there at the, where it matters, which is the scoreboard. Yeah. So they also do make matters worse.
00:47:14
Speaker
They didn't just lose to Sporting Kansas City. They rolled out their starters against Sporting Kansas City. So it will be interesting to see how much rotation they have for this game. I know they went straight from Kansas City to Seattle. They've been in in market since at least yesterday.
00:47:29
Speaker
so i don't know. Maybe that gives them a little bit of help. But yeah, I mean, this was a um this is a first choice group that they started against Sporting Kansas City. And they they were never really in this one.
00:47:40
Speaker
ah Best I can tell. I mean, they were trailing. they They were down three zero before they pulled one back in the 89th minute. And that's a disastrous performance for them.
00:47:52
Speaker
ah I don't know. i my All I know is that they had Manu Garcia looking like. I don't know. Messy out there. I mean, it was insane. The amount of room and the amount of.
00:48:09
Speaker
the amount of time he had on the ball. This Portugal City team is not very talented, and there is like two players or three that are really going to be game changers. Manu is one of them.
00:48:20
Speaker
Yeah. how do How do you allow him to get as free as he was all game is beyond me. And then all of that money that you spend or that you have spent ever since you brought Payne, Soul, and Peg, that's kind of what you were hoping that you could – go in every game and say, at the very least, we're going to have those guys perform.
00:48:43
Speaker
But when they don't perform, man, it's just is hard to watch. And I love Vanny. man I love Vanny. He's such a good coach, such a good guy.
00:48:55
Speaker
But he is maybe overplaying as far as I thought he was going to be this season because results were bad last year.
00:49:07
Speaker
And so in my head, I was like, look, he has a very short leash, but maybe he doesn't, man, because he's been bad. and him And him and Phil Neville are the two guys in MLS that I'm like, how are these guys still employed?
00:49:22
Speaker
Well, I mean, and it should be said, before they lost to Sporting Hensley, they had gone 2-0-1 in their previous three, which included a win over Real Salt Lake. that's a good win. is It's a good one. They tied Vancouver at home and then they went on the road and beat Atlanta United. I guess that's another thing that's worth mentioning is that they've now been on, this is their third straight road game where they've traveled across the country.
00:49:47
Speaker
And i don't know when, that I assume they came home between the Atlanta and sporting Kansas city game, but I suppose it's possible. They've been on the road for over a week now. Yeah. So the centers, guess why i bring this up because this is like,
00:50:00
Speaker
like San Jose who rotated like San Diego, who came in on a, on a rough winless run, although they did end it just this last week, i did a last game. And like sporting Kansas city, who is a bad team.
00:50:13
Speaker
This is an opportunity for the Sounders to collect three points and they really should. mean, this is a team they've they've been better than the galaxy. Traditionally at home, I think we're going to see some rotation in the Sounders lineup, but no big drop offs. There's no position right now where the Sounders can rotate every spot where without too much major concern, I think, for a big drop off.
00:50:37
Speaker
So this is to me a game that they they need to win and and then then sets up the final game for the. World Cup against LAFC, a road game where it's sort of a bonus game. If they win this game, there's not nearly as much pressure on the LAFC result where if they can even get a tie, they'd probably be feeling pretty good about it.
00:50:57
Speaker
And at the end of the day, it's about getting points at home. Yes. You already gave up a couple of points. yeah gave You gave up. That's the Diego game. You gave up the Sporting Kansas City game. Absolutely. There's no more points to give. No. And and I think that Brian would agree, right? So you have to come into this game trying to own it, trying to be a lead.
00:51:16
Speaker
trying to get rid of those old bad habits that I mentioned early on when it came to that last game. You got to be able to control the tempo. and And Brian said it after the game. I thought that after scoring that Jesus game, that Jesus goal, we were going to be able to control the game a little more. Right.
00:51:35
Speaker
And they weren't able to do that. And there was that ah Preston Gold that was good on him, but you should never gotten to that area of the field. Yeah, absolutely. And so that's what they have to do against the Galaxy because they are, you are the superior team.
00:51:49
Speaker
The Sounders are the better squad, but you got to show it with the ball. You got to show it on the field. It can't just be, we we shot another 27 shots, but we weren't able to put one away. You have to be able to get it.
00:52:05
Speaker
you Get in there, right? I mean, that that's what it's about. So I think there will be some rotations. I do. I hope that they continue to ride on this Jesus Ferreira is trending in the right direction.
00:52:20
Speaker
i think Albert Rosnack, and I have to say that ah maybe I was a little bit too harsh on the game prior to this one against San Diego, where he created seven chances and he had, he created a lot of opportunities. I still didn't think he played up to his utmost potential, but I think he's been really good.
00:52:36
Speaker
So you just got to be able to find the kinks and really get this team going in that defensive end. And I think the Galaxy could do that for you. You just got to be able to play to your utmost potential. I also think that Snyder Burnell, want to see him do a little bit more in this game.
00:52:57
Speaker
thought that last couple of games has been okay, but not great. He always has moments. like He has the um always has moments. Every single game. He could have very easily scored a couple goals in the in the most recent game.
00:53:10
Speaker
Yes. So he has moments, but I want to see her more consistent. I think in this one, he might, because maybe you rest Christian. Maybe you allow him to get some very well-deserved time off his feet um before that LAFC game. Cause he he has been one of those guys that plays every single game. You're talking about three in a week.
00:53:32
Speaker
So, you know, maybe you rest them this game around. So can Snyder be a guy that continue to push his mark at 19 years old? I think he can do it. So i challenge him to do so. You know, another one I'm kind of intrigued by is I wonder if we're going to see Peter Kingston right back.
00:53:52
Speaker
He's someone he came in at right back in this last game. he They've been using him as a sort of reserve or sort of like an option off the bench. And I've heard that they really like him, his profile as a right back.
00:54:05
Speaker
And you asked them about it, I think. I think, yeah, he and he he just has something about his game. I'm really intrigued to see him. This would be if he starts, it would only be the second time he started.
00:54:17
Speaker
The last time he started was in the central midfield. He looked solid there. But i I, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. I want to say you asked him about it. And I don't remember.
00:54:30
Speaker
word by word what Brian said, but I do remember thinking Brian listens to the pot or or Brian has heard us say it because he kind of called Peter Kingston what we've been calling him, which is a gamer. yeah He is someone who doesn't like street. Yeah.
00:54:47
Speaker
yeah The thing I like about his game is that he is not someone who acts like he's got time to waste. He yes he knows he's got to make something happen. He doesn't have he's not a young guy anymore. He can't he's not going to he's not going impress anyone by just not messing up.
00:55:03
Speaker
He needs to make stuff happen. He looks confident every time he goes out there. He looks like he has an idea of what he's trying to do. And he's able to do it. I i really like Pete Kingston. I really do. And I think right back is a good position for him. You know, you and I have both kind of laughed at, at you know, some of the answers he gave us because he's very honest, right? he Yeah. He said maybe he thought Winger was the best position. And I can see where he, you know, thinks that that's where he he could be at. I think with this system at right back,
00:55:34
Speaker
where your right back is your widest player. You're basically playing winger on the offensive end when you have possession. So it kind of, it kind of works. ah i'm I'm intrigued by it because of the gamemanship, because he plays like a grown man right that, you know, he plays beyond his years. I think his delivery on the ball is very good. I also think that he in the physicality department can match up with just about anyone.
00:56:03
Speaker
Kalani can too. Kalani can too. But I feel like Kalani is... mean, he's got six inches probably on Kalani. Totally. Totally. Exactly. And maybe Kalani is little bit buffer because he loves to show the guns. Oh, man. But at the same time, she do. yeah He absolutely does. But Kalani, I feel like he's more on the offensive end, really pushing high, really getting it going, where I think maybe Peter is a little bit more balanced. I think he's going to be a lot more conservative about the times when he pushes out and he stays home. So...
00:56:31
Speaker
It'll be interesting on on how it works. But I like the Peter Kingston. I also, you know, Lopez is another guy that I want to see more rotated. Maybe this a chance for him to get on because we've seen him at left back.
00:56:46
Speaker
We've seen him at center back. He comes in. He doesn't seem to step wrong on the field ever or take a bad touch or make a bad pass. So maybe this is another game where you can get out there and really rotate.
00:57:00
Speaker
take a final assessment on those bubble players, if I may call them that way, because you know that against LAFC, Marto Santos, former sounder Andy Rose, a very good team. You're probably going to go with your more your established guys established guys, your number one lineup, if you will.
00:57:19
Speaker
So this is your last chance before the break um to really do that. Yeah, I think that's ah that's about right. Well, I think that's about what we have today. and know we, I think we had all the major points there.
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00:58:25
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ah First goal for San Jose. And he apparently has been talking to the Peruvian Federation. Because he's a double citizen. So that was kind of cool that he kind of mentioned that after the game. And then Bruce was just hot about the officiating. I don't think anybody was happy with the officiating, to be quite frank.
00:58:43
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but But he was just upset. Talked about the red card to his assistant. He's like, i get no explanation. ah you know i thought they could have done better. He said, I never saw the yellow card that I got. I mean, he was obsessed. So you want to check that out?
00:58:57
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It's Pulso Sports YouTube. Absolutely. Well, let's get out of here. I'm Jeremiah Chan signing off for Nico Moreno. This is Sounder Heart, part of the, no, this is No Sadietes, part of the Sounder Heart Podcast Network, and we'll catch you next time.
00:59:39
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Let's go and sounders.