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10: Gina Palumbo M.A., Relationship Expert
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Join host Krystle Edwards and Gina Palumbo M.A., relationship expert with over 10 years of experience, as they discuss dating and relationships for strong entrepreneurial women and leaders.
Learn more about Gina Palumbo:
- Dating for strong women
- Dating on apps
- Balancing energies & your power
- Finding the right partner
Learn more about Gina Palumbo:
- Website https://www.ginapalumboma.com/
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Grit and Grind' Podcast
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Welcome to Grit and Grind, a podcast by Grit City Women, where gritty is the new pretty. Grit City Women is empowered by Melissa Newell, Edward Jones Financial Advisor, and Columbia Bank.
Guest Introduction: Gina Palumbo
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On episode 10 of Grit and Grind, we have relationship expert Gina Palumbo. Be sure to join us February 7th as we answer your relationship questions live. Visit GritCityWomen.com backslash events for more information and to submit your questions.
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Welcome, Gina. Oh, thank you, Crystal. It's wonderful to be here. Well, thank you for joining us. I'm super excited about this podcast. I think it's going to be really fun. So why don't you go ahead and tell us a little bit about yourself.
Gina's Journey into Psychotherapy
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Well, for the past decade, I have been a psychotherapist, licensed mental health counselor in private practice here in Grit City, here in Tacoma, specializing in work with adults and couples. So what drove you into doing that work?
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Well, do you want the truth? Yeah, always. Real and great city women. Okay, because this is the absolute true story. You know, I, I was born into a family and a marriage, but you know, my parents,
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and forgive me if they ever hear this. You know, I was born into a family environment that turned out to be a little too chaotic for me. You know, but that said, I'm extremely sensitive, which I'm sure is part of how I've ended up in this profession. But anyway, Crystal, what happened was
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My parents started going to couples therapy probably by the time I was about eight years old.
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Oh, there's some loud traffic. I'm in downtown Tacoma. Welcome. Some more quick. Yeah, exactly. So so anyway, well, I'll say this probably by the time I was four years old, I knew that all was not well, that there was a problem. Yeah, there was a problem. Then maybe by the time I was eight, my parents end up in couples counseling. And this led to a family session.
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And so we go in, there were five of us, my parents, my older brother, my older sister, and myself. And suffice it to say, everybody there was mortified, like not happy at all to be there. But for me, as soon as the therapist started talking, I felt such a sense of relief.
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and had this sense that there was someone in the room who knew how to have a deeper, truer conversation. And I really did find a very powerful part of myself in that moment and in that experience. I felt like, oh, you know,
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he's my people. Isn't that funny? So yeah, that's so amazing to have such an epiphany at such a young age. Yes, it took me many, many years after that to sort of
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you know, to really find my way into my profession and manifest that epiphany, if you will. But that is the moment. Wow. Yeah, that's the first moment anyway.
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To me, that just seems so amazing because I'm somewhere where I never thought I would be. And when I think about that journey, it's really incredible because I am happy. But it's like when you think about your younger self and the things you think you'd want to do, I don't think most people end up doing that.
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Right, right. Well, and again, you know, it took me a long time to get there in terms of my journey of my personal and professional development. And then something that's even funnier about that now that's occurring to me as in this moment is that, you know, now here I am leaving that profession.
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Right. Right. So, you know, as powerful and as meaningful and as important as that was to me and as the professional journey has been to me, you know, now here I am, you know, ready to do something else with it. Mm hmm. Yeah. And I think that's just growth in my mind. Mm hmm. Yep, exactly.
Complexities of Modern Dating
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So I want to touch a little bit about how we met and I came to you while I was single and I was really looking for help dating. Do you get a lot of women that come to you for that or a lot of men or anybody in general that are single like help me? Oh, absolutely. Really? Yep.
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I thought it's the only crazy one. Oh, no, no, no, it's very common. And, you know, especially these days in modern busy life, and then with the advent of, you know, online dating, which of course is more than online dating, it's mostly phone based apps at this point.
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you know, it seems like it would be easier or more simple than ever. But the truth is for adults, especially more mature adults, it's actually become quite a bit more difficult and more complicated. So yeah, you know, by no means are you the only one. It's brutal, because it's brutal. And yeah, it is. I mean, I, I think I've been was dating
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three or four years before I just met my husband, but it was brutal. It's just a constant flux of almost disappointment and kind of feeling like you're wasting your time or, you know,
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almost also like overload when you're on the apps. There's, you know, a lot of people that you might match with or whatnot, but then you have to go through another filtering process and then you have to meet them and then you filter them out that way. And it just, it kind of is overwhelming.
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Oh, absolutely. And people go through periods of profound discouragement and pessimism that's associated with that overwhelm and
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And that's why the support is so important. You know, if people are intentionally dating because they want to meet someone and they have a vision of sharing their life with someone, you know, that is beautiful. And that is really important. And it should not be given up on. So whatever people need to do to support their process, I just think it's crucial. It's crucial to have support.
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Absolutely. I felt like it was beneficial for me. I think I had only seen you two times before, you know, I just, I got it. Well, I am, you know, my aim is to offer people a very accelerated process.
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I was on the running start program. Yes, you were. So what happened for you, Crystal? So, and I guess this is going to sound kind of weird, but, you know, you and I were talking about
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what my ideal partner would be and obviously being an entrepreneur and doing a lot of the work I do in the community. I'm incredibly busy and I really was having a hard time thinking that I could have it all really.
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And also there was a moment where you commented on my energy that it was very masculine. And I think like the straight term for it is BDE, big dick energy. Yep.
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I first I've got to be honest, I was a little disgruntled. I was like, well, you know, if a man doesn't love me or a partner doesn't love me for who I am, you know, I don't want to change. You know, I was kind of
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stuck in that place for a little bit. And then I thought about it for a while. And just thinking about how men and women are different. And I was seeking a male partner. So just being aware of their needs
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And I think that opened me up to like, okay, it's okay for me to be strong and independent and entrepreneurial, but there are some needs that men have when they're attracted to women.
00:10:56
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Totally. Yeah, beautiful. That's very well said. Yes. I mean, I was like, what? I was like, yeah, I was definitely disgruntled. And I thought about it. And it changed. It changed very quickly the way I approached dating, the way I approached even how I spoke to them. And I don't want people to think that
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you know, I was dumbing myself down or pretending that I was more feminine than I wasn't. I feel like it was really just an energy shift of being more open to having more feminine energy. Exactly. So this is something that happens for women, especially women who are entrepreneurs or in positions of leadership.
Balancing Professional and Personal Life
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that there's so much energy that is going into the work and directing the work and managing the work that what I find, and this is what I see most commonly with entrepreneurial leadership, you know, strong females, is that
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they almost forget to turn it off in their personal life or in their relationship. And so they're bringing those very powerful capacities from work and professional life into their personal life. And
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Um, you know, you're right. And I, and I realized that we are speaking in some, some generalities and we're doing so for the sake of having a broad conversation. Um, and so to that point, I will say that, you know, most men don't want to be managed. Right. Right.
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And they don't want to be blown away. I mean, yeah, I'll say it that way. They don't want to be blown away by a woman's power. They want to have the big dick.
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Yeah, and you know like you do thank you I mean it right That's and that's yeah, that's so true Yeah, and we're not and I'm not talking about being submissive or what you're saying like being pretend Feminine or dumbing it dumbing our power down, but it is about being conscious and aware of our power
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where and how we're using it and knowing that we don't need to blast people. We may need to blast a little bit professionally to get done what we need to get done to move the mountains, but we probably don't need to blast at home.
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Yeah, I think that's such a good point. I definitely believe that's something I struggle with because, let's see, I met my husband when I was 35 years old and I have about 10 years of leadership experience. And it is hard to turn that off when you've been single and mostly living by yourself. And most of the conversations that you have, you're in those positions.
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For me, I've always been working on teams where I am accomplishing some pretty big goals. And there's often those times where you have to, like you said, blast or push. And it is hard to turn off when you're in the heat of a moment where you're trying to get something done. And yeah. Yeah, I mean, so I really aim to help women
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integrate that power consciously.
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you know, because a lot of what can happen if men are already feeling intimidated because they're with this incredible woman, you know, and then, you know, but then she's just powerful, maybe to the point of being a little bit overbearing, not intentionally, but the energetic can feel that way. You know, then couples can end up in a power struggle.
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Right. Right. And he's like, Hey, you know, let me have some and she's like, but I do it better than you or I can't, you know, like that, that kind of thing, or, or he's just shutting down because he's so blown away and, and, you know, feels unable to match the power. Yeah. And, you know, something just came to me is I've always
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I guess, yeah, I've always been in more of a male-dominated environment in school and just in everything that I've done and I feel like
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I've always had to assert myself in a certain way with them and almost work just a little bit harder to prove myself or get things to get moving. So I feel like maybe that's a little bit ingrained as well. Totally, totally, totally. And I do think it can be a big shift
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when the powerful feminine partners up with what we're really hoping is the benevolent and powerful masculine, there can be a really big transition time as a woman is learning to lean in and that it's okay to ask for help and that
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her needs can be met and then she doesn't have to do it all. And that, you know, he is going to be there and he is going to support and it's not going to be a fight or a power struggle. And there's nothing to prove. There's just really, you know, developing a warm, healthy, creative, collaborative connection. Absolutely.
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Yep. I think that's definitely what changed is being open to that energy and being open to working on myself in that capacity. Um, especially cause at one point I thought, well, I'm just not, I wouldn't tell them all the stuff that I did, like guys that I would meet and date.
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Because I felt like it would intimidate them or that they were drawn to it initially, but then backed off when they started to see really kind of who I was in that capacity.
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So I felt really good about our conversations and I was able to adapt in a way that was healthy for me, that it was like, okay, I can still be myself. I can still be proud of the things that I do and not feel like I have to change any of my story. I just need to be more receptive to balancing out the energy better. You got it.
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Yeah. Yeah. And as soon as you were willing, as soon as you made that shift within yourself, then the door then the door opened.
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Yeah, and he's everything that I ever wanted and could ask for. It's so weird to even think about because I think it's been 10 months since we met and we got married pretty quickly, got engaged with COVID-19. We wouldn't have been where we are without the lockdowns.
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because I wasn't working. So I had a lot of time off and we quarantined together. And we realized after a few months that, wow, we've been spending 24 seven together and we don't hate each other. Right. And that that is, you know, one of the gifts, if it's okay to say it that way, you know, that that
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of this experience of this process is that it's accelerated. Mm hmm. It's accelerated life choices for people. Yeah. And and really in the direction of togetherness and and health and, you know, support, et cetera. So I mean, I'm just delighted to hear this. I think that's so great.
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Yeah. I still, I think sometimes we still look at each other and we're just, we just giggle and be like, we're married. Delightful. Yep. Yeah. You're still living into that, right? So what are some rules of thumb when it comes to picking a right partner?
Choosing Partners and Dating Strategies
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Well, so I know that this will sound cliche, but I think that picking the right partner, so much of it stems from choosing with your heart. Choosing with your heart. So many people that I work with who come in, they're trying to pick a partner from their mind.
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You know, they have the list, they have the checklist. And most people have very strong opinions about who the other person should be physically, materially, etc. And I encourage people to stay very open and to be willing to date against type.
00:21:49
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Yeah. OK. Because the very strong opinions that come from the mind about who a person should or shouldn't be can frequently sabotage a connection that's otherwise just starting to form. And there might be a little something there. But then someone will say, oh, but, you know,
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he's only five nine or she's this or you know whatever that whatever those comments are or this person doesn't have a degree or you know this person was married once for only two years or this person's never been married it's like oh my gosh you know this is this is another human being who's looking for love yeah
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Oh, and that reminds me, that's the other thing is at some point we talked about that where when I was on the apps, I had some pessimism, that pessimism that you talked about of just disappointment from many failed attempts and many interactions that didn't go as planned, right?
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I just held in my mind that there was something wrong with every person that I matched with, or every person I was going to meet up with, or they only wanted one thing. I just kind of got in that mindset. You're very strong opinions. Yes, and I do remember that. That's right.
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And that would change the tone of how I responded to them. I was responding to them very short answers. I wasn't giving them any real attention because I didn't
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I didn't think that anything would ever come of it. And so of course, when I look back now, if I were on the receiving end of the lack of engagement I was sending, I wouldn't respond either. Or I would be like, who does this person think they are? What's your deal? I think I had that moment of whoever's on those apps, they're on there for a reason.
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you know, maybe aren't on there for the best reason or the same reason you're on there, they're still looking for a connection. You got it. And you know, there's some people that just want to have fun, but either way, they're still looking for that connection. And they're on there just like you are. Yep.
00:24:37
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You got it. And that was so well said, Crystal. I hope that many, many, many people have an opportunity to hear what you just shared because you just did the dirty work for a lot of people out there and who are going to hear that and then hopefully clean up their act. Yeah. I mean, once I realized that and I took into the advice of balancing the energy
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It did change for me like it was a game changer and I'm so grateful because that's how I obviously I met my husband very shortly after that and yeah, it was the shift was very different on the engagement that I was getting and the quality of engagement and the quality of you know, potential suitors like that was
00:25:32
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it did change everything. It all shifted, exactly. And I will say this too, because I think this speaks to what you're talking about, you know, we pick the right partner from patients.
00:25:47
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from patience, from settling down, from being willing to show up and be present with people. And then as new connections form, you know, being patient with that and understanding that a connection takes time to develop into a real relationship. Right.
00:26:14
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Yeah, it's never easy. Good things are never easy. Otherwise, everyone would have it. That's right. So what are some tips that you might have for really strong entrepreneurial leadership type women in the dating scene?
00:26:35
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Oh, well, you know, we've we've touched on this somewhat just in terms of of our conversation about how hard dating is and how
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It's really hard these days because online dating is suffering from a loss of integrity and sincerity. And all of the online platforms, that whole culture, to my mind, from what I'm seeing and hearing, it has really been co-opted by the superficial and by a quick fix mentality.
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So online dating, when it first started, the first few like match.com or whatever the first couple
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were, you know, there was a lot of utility and people had more success because there was a lot more sincerity when this was a new process for people that gave people access, right? So I think for women who are entrepreneurial, successful in roles of leadership,
00:28:01
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If support is needed, so if there's any sense of self-doubt or pessimism that is developing, then by all means, find someone to talk to.
00:28:18
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Because that will absolutely impede your process. So really for women to do the self-assessment, the work of self-assessment, where are they at? What is their mindset? What is their attitude? And as you were saying, when you're going out and meeting up with people, what's the vibe that you're really putting out?
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Yeah. OK, so I think that is that is essential. And then, you know, in terms of attitude or in terms of energy, you know, exercising integrity and patience, you know, being patient when meeting with new people and feeling your way into new connections.
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And as you're meeting new people, even if it's a horrible meetup, even if it's horrendous and disappointing, be kind, be gracious, and interact with warm, clear boundaries. So if you go to a meetup and it is really bad and not what you were expecting and he's a total dud,
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you know, get out of there. Don't don't give up your precious time and energy, but excuse yourself with, you know, warmth, and grace. And gratitude, you know, thank you for meeting me. But I gotta go. Yeah, I gots to go. And, you know, and then and and something that I'm emphatic about with people,
00:30:08
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No ghosting ever. Yes. That's the worst. Ever. I don't care how bad it is. You've got to say goodbye. Oh, man. I won't go into any of my ghosting stories that I've had happen to me. But it was just, it's unbelievable. And it's an incredible, I feel like it's such an incredible insult to someone's
00:30:35
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first of all, their time and second of all, just their humanity. You got it.
00:30:41
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Yep. It's like, do you, you know, I'd often think like when it did happen, um, like, okay, first of all, like, who do you think you are? Second of all, I'm an adult. I'm a grown, grown woman. You know, I can handle if you're not feeling it, but now you just wasted my precious time, my precious thoughts, you know, like even my thoughts are precious. And if you're in there, you know, causing problems in my brain, Oh man.
00:31:10
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I don't have time for that. Yeah, that's the worst. I would never do that to someone. But you know, I can't say that I haven't because I might have unintentionally ghosted someone. I'm sure there were lots of people I didn't talk to after a certain period of time because I just forgot or whatever. But never like in a relationship have I ever ghosted anyone.
00:31:34
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Right. But even in dating, I just think it's so important to maintain a level of integrity and grace. Because that's what we're looking for in our, that's what we want in a relationship. We want respect, we want integrity.
00:31:55
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We want grace, we want gratitude, appreciation, et cetera. And I just think dating, even though, yes, it can be arduous and it can be very fatiguing, I just think we always want to strive to maintain the energy that we want, that we're looking for. Right. Yeah, I agree with that for sure.
00:32:24
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And it's practice. Exactly. It's like getting in shape. It's fitness, right? It's training. Yeah, it really is. And it is all about mindset. I definitely believe a lot of things are about mindset. But the dates that aren't successful, the meetups that aren't successful, it's all practice.
Collaborative Growth in Relationships
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How can a partner affect your development and growth?
00:32:56
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Ooh, this is a big question. This is a big question, but you know, I mean, I think, I mean, I think obviously, you know, a partner can help or hinder growth, right? In general, the more collaborative a connection is,
00:33:25
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the more potential there is for growth for both people. What do you mean by collaborative? Well, so the collaboration can unfold on different levels. So in terms of intimacy, the collaboration can be about a commitment to
00:33:54
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you know resolving issues or conflicts um you know peacefully and with love and through conversation as opposed to you know fighting and throwing a fit etc um you know so there can be a creative collaborative process in terms of the the intimacy
00:34:14
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the emotional intimacy, of course, sexual intimacy. And then also in other areas of the life and lifestyle, whether it's collaborating on how you cook dinner, collaborating on a project around the house, collaborating on, you know,
00:34:38
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raising pets, children, etc. Right? So basically, everything that comes up in a relationship is an opportunity for collaboration. Right. And so the more the more a couple
00:35:01
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is involved and enjoying collaboration together, I think that that absolutely impacts their ability to grow personally. Lots of times what I will see is that if there isn't enough of a creative growth process,
00:35:24
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that the couples engaged in on any level, right, on any level from, you know, deep to more superficial, then lots of times the individual growth process can become a little bit compartmentalized and sort of take over or seem to take precedence even. Does that make sense? Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:35:51
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That's one thing that was really important to me with finding a partner is not getting shut down, I guess, in my development and growth, because it is something that I've been working on for a long time. Exactly. Right. Right. And I'm still working on it. Yeah. Oh, because that's life's work. I mean,
00:36:17
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You know, I just think that that's life's work, but a lot of times if there's
00:36:23
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if too much stagnation develops in the couple process, then sometimes one person just gets totally immersed in their own personal growth. And then that sort of becomes more important, or they even become resentful, like, here I am doing all of this personal growth work, and you're not doing a thing over there, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. And, you know, that doesn't,
00:36:51
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That's not right. Yeah. That's not right. It's so complex. Like it is, it's a big commitment. Relationships are a big commitment. Well, exactly, Crystal. And I think that
00:37:06
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on the whole now again, I may have I may be speaking in a stereotype or a generality or you know, bias perspective, because I was a couples therapist for so long. But most couples underestimate, and most people and most couples underestimate how active love needs to be. Yeah. And I'm not talking about drudgery.
00:37:36
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You know, I mean, well, I mean, you know, a lot of people think that, um,
00:37:47
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you know, if they if they do some work on their relationship, that it's going to be drudgery, you know, that they're gonna have, right, like, they're gonna have to go to therapy and, you know, talk about hard things. Yeah, exactly. Um, you know, um, but but there does need to be active engagement. And
00:38:14
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You know, that may be a course of therapy or it may be a workshop together or it may be your date night or it may be a project. But but the point is that both people know that showing up.
00:38:32
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to grow, to continue to grow and deepen the connection, the intimacy, and move towards whatever the shared visions are, et cetera. It's just important that both people really be engaged. Because if it's not, the momentum is just not there. And like you said, someone will stagger, and someone will keep going, and then it's not balanced.
00:38:59
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Right. And, you know, relationships are so prone to patterns. You know, relationships are just people develop habits and patterns together, and they don't even realize they're in a pattern or a habit together. Yeah, I guess they never really thought of it that way. But that makes sense. I mean, our own habits and our own thoughts and
00:39:26
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so you multiply that by two, you know, double the trouble. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, and double the power and double the energy. And how are you using that energy? Where is it going? Yeah. Yeah. Do you want it to go negatively or positively? Exactly.
00:39:56
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Right. This just blew my mind. I think it's such an important topic. Choosing a partner, it's a big deal. And who you led into your life, especially for
00:40:17
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grid city women, women that are leaders, women that own their businesses because we don't really have the time and the energy to waste on a partner that is not the right partner. It can be very exhausting and it can inhibit your growth. Oh, completely. That is something that I think most women can relate to is giving too much
00:40:46
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Yes. You know, giving too much. And, you know, if I just nurture this a little more or if I just give a little more time and energy or do this or do that, you know, then it's going to shift. Yeah. Or fix her uppers. Oh, don't get me started. Like I'm watching HGTV on Tinder. Exactly. Totally.
00:41:18
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Yeah, I definitely noticed that a lot with myself and just, you know, some of my friends. But then, you know, I see some of the happiest people found someone that was mature. Yes, right. I mean, you know what, we're all ideally in a process of evolution, you know, we're all going to keep growing and learning and evolving.
00:41:40
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And for women who think that they have to do the heavy lifting to get somebody in shape and in working order, that's just such a huge mistake. It's a huge mistake. Yeah. Yeah. There's no amount of money in the world that's worth having to fix your partner.
00:42:10
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they have to fix themselves. That's just the only way it can be done. Right, exactly. Wow. Okay, so are there any last pieces of advice that you might have for women dating right now?
Impact of COVID on Dating Practices
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What about with COVID? Oh, well, you know, I think that most of the people that I've been working with
00:42:38
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have for the most part suspended their in-person dating. You know a lot of people right now you know they might be doing some you know like meeting and emailing and texting maybe a socially distant walk or meet-up or cup of coffee or something but I have noticed a significant slowdown in people's pursuit.
00:43:09
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Yeah, I bet. I mean, I can't imagine being single almost during COVID that can be very isolating. I'm really happy that I had someone during this time for sure. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yep.
00:43:26
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Thank you so much for joining us today. I think that was really great information and I really hope that it helps some of the women out there with some questions about relationships and some of their struggles.
Contact Information for Gina Palumbo
00:43:40
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What's the best way if anybody wants to book a session with you to get ahold of you?
00:43:47
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So people can reach me most easily at my phone number, either, you know, phone or text 253-209-2661. I'm also reachable through my website, Gina Palumbo MA.com. All right. Well, it was a pleasure having you, Gina. Thanks again so much.
00:44:10
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Oh, Crystal, thank you. It was absolutely delightful. And I'm just very honored that you would ask me and that I had an opportunity to speak about dating and relationships and personal development, which I'm very passionate about all of the above.
00:44:34
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