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Fallen Men Series Recap w/ @bookish.sel | S2Ep11
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This week we're joined by our bookish bestie Selina (@bookish.sel) to recap the Fallen Men Series by Giana Darling. We take turns sharing our favorite books, couples, characters, spicy scenes and more in a hilarious spoiler-filled discussion.
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Transcript
Introduction of Hosts and Guest
00:00:05
Speaker
Hey guys. Oh my god, hello. Hi, welcome to Bring Your Own and Catch All Bookish from Other Time podcast. I'm Brandi. I'm Kendra. I'm Kayla. We have an incredible guest today at bookish.sell, aka Selena, aka the love of our life. She's an icon. She's a legend. She is the moment. She's also a nurse, a labor and delivery nurse.
Balancing Career and Book Community
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So she manages to bless our feeds with gorgeous selfies of her holding books,
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Speaker
And her stories are always so funny. And at night, she's literally catching babies. Like, I don't know how you do it. Literally, like, it's insane. You stare at vaginas so much, more than probably some of our favorite male heroes. And today, with Selena's help, we're going to be talking about the Fall and Men series, which we thought would be such a good thing to do because it's fall. It's like deep fall now. Her Taylor Swift say that, so it's deep fall. It's deep fall.
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Speaker
And so we just want to talk about the Polymin series, which we will dive into.
Current Reads and Drinks
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Um, but I get to pull a brandy, but ladies first, what are you reading? What are we drinking? So why don't you start us off as our special guest? Hello. Wow. That was a beautiful introduction. Thank you very much. Um, so I am currently drinking this like pink drink from Sprouts. It's just like a fruity little water, but it's cute.
00:01:28
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Um, and I'm currently listening to, um, it's actually an audio reread. I just started it today. Um, but butcher in Blackbird, I read the ebook, like
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a week or two ago. I don't know. But it was so good. I loved it.
Audiobook Discussions
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And I was so hesitant to listen to it because you guys are never gonna guess who that narrator is. I saw. I saw Miss Lucy Rivers herself. Yeah. Okay. But let me tell you like I'm I'm her number two hater after you Brandy like I promise I am. But
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it's not bad at all like I was shocked I was shocked and Joe Arden with the Irish accent like he should have an Irish accent all the time because it's way better than his normal voice yes yeah so
00:02:16
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It's pretty good. I'm loving it. Like the story is so silly goofy. Like I loved it so much the first time around and it's, it's hitting via audio, but I'm not currently reading anything physically. Um, I just finished yesterday. What did I finish? Oh, Madam, Madam by Sarah Kate, which was literally so good. I was like going in with low expectations and I was like blown out of the water, like, and the spice. So hot.
00:02:45
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cross my thighs it was good it was good
00:02:49
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Slay, love. I am also not currently physically reading anything at the moment. I just finished an audio reread of Alone With You in the Aether, and it was just even better the second time. It overwhelms me how much I love that book. And I just started Devil in Disguise, which is the last book in the Ravenel series by Lisa Kleypas, and it's a historical romance fairy-thon.
00:03:16
Speaker
So yeah, I'm just drinking water today. Womp womp boo. I know. I'm sorry. No sleigh. I was gone this weekend and when Daniel goes grocery shopping, he buys like literally only essentials, like nothing fun. You know, men. Kayla, what about you? I forgot to bring anything into the room before we started recording. So I don't have literally anything with me today, but for drinking, I mean, so I
00:03:45
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nothing today, unfortunately, but I will be grabbing probably like Dr. Pepper for dinner because I'm kind of craving Dr. Pepper right now. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then what I'm reading right now, well, I literally just finished like 15 minutes before we got on. I finished, um, an arc of the worst kept secret by QB Tyler. Very hot. Um, a good, uh, best friend's dad romance. So, you know,
00:04:15
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always a good time there. But what I'm really looking forward to right now after I start that or after I finish that curse for true love as a recording comes out tomorrow and I will be seated for that. Kendra will be here when that releases will be here with me in Kansas City and she will be ignored. Sorry to say I'm just kidding. She's not kidding. She's being so.
00:04:40
Speaker
No dead ass. Oh my god. No, she's she already told me that I'm kidding She's gone. Um, you already know why you have to sleep outside. That's a totally different reason but let's not discuss that today Let's see I think I'm the only one that like took the theme of this episode seriously because I was like I'm gonna drink a beer if we're gonna talk about the fallen men I need to be drinking a beer granted.
'Fall and Men' Series Deep Dive
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I am drinking a
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a Michelob ultra, which I feel like Zeus would like laugh at and like push out of my hand. You're drinking bitch water.
00:05:14
Speaker
So I'm drinking that. And then what am I reading? I am reading, listening to Mickey Chambers shakes it up. I got it on Libby. So far so good. Yeah. It's so cute. So far. It's age gap, which I didn't know going in. He's in his forties and she's in her thirties and she's an adjunct professor. Oh my God. Yeah. It's such a cute cover. She's so cute. They're so cute.
00:05:43
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Adjunct professor and she gets a job at his bar, but he's also going back to college so he he's one of her students
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Yeah, he's older, which I didn't know that going in. I thought it was gonna be like, yeah. But they're so cute. I feel like if you're a fan of Talia Hibbert, like the way that she writes, which is so much humor and love and care, I feel like the author of that book does such a good job so far. And the narrator is really good. And I am physically reading Last Call at the Local, which comes out in January. It is the follow up to the Love List and Fancy Ships series. I'm only a few chapters in. Oh my God, I'm already obsessed. I think it's just like,
00:06:22
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So good, the guy's so cute, the girl's so cute, it's great. Is that one more romance heavy? Because I think that one, I thought she said it's supposed to be more an actual romance then. I would agree because it's dual POV. In the first two were single POV. I would also argue that the second one's more romance heavy. It is, yeah, 100%.
00:06:40
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Brandi, you have to read those books because you like single dad. The first one, single dad, Carissa Vacker, aka Vanessa Edwin, does the audios and she's going to do the audios for this one when it comes out. I don't know who the guy will be because he's Irish. Irish? Yeah, I was just going to say he's Irish, so.
00:06:58
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I saw the author made a TikTok explaining who the narrator is. I've never heard of the guy before. But he's such a cutie in the book. So that's what I'm reading. And also, I cannot go without mentioning that I finished a really good book recently that I didn't get to talk about on the podcast called Sammy Espinosa's Last Review. It's so good, you guys.
00:07:18
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it's so good it's a quick read it's i cried and i didn't think i was gonna cry but i did so i already begged brandy and kayla to read it and i i won't say that here nevermind um i was like i told them that i was like if you guys don't read it you hate mexicans and queer people um so now they have to read it
00:07:39
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because Sania Spinoza is Mexican and she's queer. So Selena, now you also have to read it. And yeah, that is what I'm reading. Oh my God. Okay. I'm so excited to talk about Fall and Men. Should we dive in? Kayla's like bracing herself. I'm scared. Kayla's like, I'm going to step out and get my drink for an hour. Yeah. Let me go make my drink. I'll be back in an hour.
00:08:08
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Selena, would you do us the honor of like giving your elevator pitch about like, what is this series about? Like as a whole, you are the expert. Okay. Wow, that's a lot of pressure. Okay, so this is currently a what a six book series.
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but it's a motorcycle club romance, very very taboo but it's set in entrance British Columbia in Canada and it just basically surrounds this motorcycle club gang group.
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And each book features a couple that falls for each other. Every single relationship is taboo. So, trigger warning, if you're not a taboo girlie, this is not for you. And we're being deadass.
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I could not scream that loud enough, but despite that and despite a lot of the features of the relationships being very, very questionable, I think it is just like some of the most beautiful romances, relationships. It's also the reason why I wanted to read it was because I
00:09:17
Speaker
Learned that it was like a motorcycle club actiony heavy smut series and I was like slay That's literally what I need in my life right now, but little did I know It was just gonna take over my life and it's not only all of those things previously listed But incredibly emotional like there are some things that happen that you're just like oh shit like I did not expect to get so attached to these characters and just like literally and
00:09:43
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fall in love with them and want to be with all of them. But yeah, it's like just it's a lot of fun. If you're into taboo and questionable men getting into a lot of trouble and maybe some murder, then this is for you.
Exploration of 'Welcome to the Dark Side'
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Great smut though. Great smut. Nina, when did you read the series? Okay, so I read it last end of March, early April. So 2022.
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Who was next out of this group? I was next. And I read it because of Selena. Selena posted about it a bunch. And I remember I just needed something on KU. And I messaged her. And I was like, I think I'm going to do it. And she gave me that. She was like, these are taboo romances. She's like, make sure you know that these are taboo.
00:10:30
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um and yeah it was actually so fun to be able to like send her my updates and stuff i like yeah i feel like it's so rare that like i she was the only person i could talk to about is what i'm trying to say like it was just so fun to be able to send her all my updates and bug her for about it i read all six of them in less than a month so obsessed power through and then i came next which is so funny because when brandy read it
00:10:56
Speaker
I was I had like the series has been around like on book talk really popular since like I've joined so I was like oh like I feel like I just like know a lot like I just think it'll be for me so I literally had Brandy spoil like so much for me like yeah just go ahead tell me everything and then she's like well I think you should read it so in the beginning of this year like in February I finally cracked down and I did the entire series on audio and then I was like on my hands and knees begging like Caleb please please please read this series
00:11:22
Speaker
And she did, she went about it questionably. So yeah, Kayla Anne, you want to talk about how you read this series? And the betrayal? Yeah, so where to begin? After Kendra had started the series, yeah, she was like begging me, begging me, begging me to read. She was more specifically on the second book is really when she started to
00:11:51
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you know, start her campaign to get Kayla to read these books. And, you know, the things that she was telling me, I wasn't, you know, super into it. And I was more making fun of her for reading it. Honestly, Selena, Selena's face right now, if you guys could see it, she's holding back so much right now, but it's OK. She can wait.
00:12:11
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And then and I think it was when Kendra was on maybe book four or five. I can't remember specifically which
Analysis of 'Good Gone Bad'
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book she was on.
00:12:23
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I decided, you know what? I think I'll just, I think I'll just start it. I started on the second book though. I know, I know big, like huge blast for me, I understand. But that's largely because, this is largely because I was specifically told by two people in this recording that I wouldn't like the first book. Okay. So that is the reason why. Let me hold on.
00:12:53
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All right. We didn't think she was going to read it at all. So we were like, if she starts with the first book and she's not a huge taboo girly, then it might be hard to like never read it. Yeah. And we just desperately wanted to read. Damn, that's crazy. What were you guys fighting about? This was for something. Yeah. What? Why did you go behind my back?
00:13:16
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I don't remember what it was. Oh, was it because I didn't remember? Was it because I didn't know I don't think it was that. No, I don't think it was that. I had done something to piss her off, whatever. So she's like, yeah, keep in mind, we've been friends for like a year and a half at this point. And she's we've told each other literally every single thing that we've read, like every little thing we've read, we've always seen an update. And she's like, I'm just not going to tell Kendra this time the fucking betrayal. And then she FaceTimes.
00:13:43
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me with brandy i did tell brandy by the way i did tell brandy yeah so she tells brandy and not me and it was so smart of her to tell me because i like caleb was sending me like quotes from the book that were just like so taboo and i had no rebuttal and i was just like i don't know kendra would have been so much better at fighting back than i was it was smart it was sorry yeah she knew i mean it was like i it was fun to do what can i say i had a good time i'm not gonna deny it
00:14:11
Speaker
Good time isn't good time keeping it from you. That's what I'm. Yeah. Anyway, that's how I read it. And if you're wondering why Kayla and I have been fighting all year on the brink of divorce, that is the cause.
00:14:26
Speaker
If you have not read Fallen Men, we're going to be talking spoiler free for like a little bit longer, but the reading order, if you would like to read, you go Lessons in Corruption, which is King and Cress's first book. And then you have Welcome to the Dark Side, which lives up to its title. That is Zu's and Liu's book.
00:14:47
Speaker
Then you have Good Gone Bad, which is HR and Danner's books. After the Fall, which is book four, which is King and Cress's second book, the only
Character Development in 'After the Fall'
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Speaker
couple in the series to get two books. And then you have Ink'd and Lies, which is Lila and Nova's book. And then the last book that is currently out is Dead Man Walking, which is Priest and Bia's book. There is supposedly another book coming. It's been coming for how long now? We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. It's been a great year.
00:15:13
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She's such a liar. We were at book bonanza and Selena literally screamed in line because Gianna was like, it's coming in July. She's like, she's like, I have a secret. It's coming in July. And I'm like, she meant July, 2024. She just loved, she loved. Yeah. She just loves lying. Like literally, I'll be standing in the shower and I'm just like, it's October. Like, where is it?
00:15:44
Speaker
And it's also sucks too because like I'm not excited for Axman's book at all. Like there are so many other characters. So I'm like to make this long for Axman like stick. And the fact that we waited this long like if you're not going to come out with the absolute best book in the planet like I don't want it anymore. Like I want the next book. Just scrap it and let's go bookie. Yes. Thank you very much. I concur. But yeah. Okay. Let's do some rankings. So Selena.
00:16:14
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Yes. What is your favorite book in the series? Oh my gosh, I'm sweating. This is such a hard question. I was thinking about this book as I was like getting ready to come over, but this is really, really hard. Originally, my favorite book was Welcome to the Dark Side because I just love my Zeus, love the story. But I think after my reread, like, I know this is like
00:16:41
Speaker
so out of left park but like I think after the fall like I know that book is like pure trauma but there's so much beauty in it and like I just love King and Crest's relationship in that book and it just really really hits for me but I would say like after the fall welcome to the dark side and ink and lyser like all tight and away for my favorite book so half the series yeah basically yeah Kendra what about you favorite book
Themes in 'Ink'd and Lies'
00:17:12
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Um, my favorite book is Good Girl Bad. Kayla Anne. Same. Same. I remember reading that and I texted cell about, I was like, this is so controversial, but I like they're so easily my favorites. And I was so happy to hear that Kendra and Kayla's faves were also, I could have called that for Kayla for a mile away. Wow. No, you know, no, I think you just know me a little too well. That's all. All right.
00:17:41
Speaker
you mentioned this a little bit already, so but who's your favorite couple then? Oh, my favorite couple hands down is King and Kress. I just love them. I love them enough for all the King and Kress haters out there. Like I just think like
00:18:00
Speaker
Their love is truly so beautiful and disgusting. They are literally made for each other's soulmates. He saw her in Max Grotcher and is like, that is my gal. That is my woman I'm gonna marry. He literally went home and told his dad, I'm gonna marry that woman. Can you believe it?
00:18:22
Speaker
And like don't even get me started with the whole bone of my bone made for me for me. Like goodbye. I'm literally so sick. Like I can't ever not think about that. Selena, do you listen to Hoshar? I have been dabbling a little bit, but I've literally listened to like three songs on the new album because I really liked them and I just like am not listening to anything else.
00:18:48
Speaker
I'm going to give you a couple songs that I literally can't listen to without thinking about King Kress. Absolutely. Give it to me girl. Okay. They're very like hosier coded couple. Kendra, who's your favorite couple? My favorite couple is Danner and HR. Hands down. Slay. Kayla? My favorite couple is also HR and Danner. Same. Shock.
00:19:10
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Shook, mine is HR and Tanner as well, but Priest and Bia are a really, really close second for me. I just like, I just really love, which is so wild because like, I don't think their book or their stories necessarily might like even close to my favorite, but I just love them so
Dynamics in 'Dead Man Walking'
00:19:27
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much. Like they're just the opposite ends of the spectrum. I just love them so much. I agree that I really do. Like I will admit that that's not my favorite book in the series. Like it just doesn't hit for me the way that others do. The only one you didn't reread.
00:19:39
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But you're right, the elements of their relationship, it's something else. I do really like it, especially his whole not being in love with anyone or having emotions, blah, blah, blah, but just feeling so strongly for her. I dig that. He's a sweetie murderer. He's a murderer. He's a sweetie murderer. OK, Selena, favorite female main character?
00:20:15
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I love everyone you guys hate and then you guys all have the same answers. I just love it. Hopefully we'll get some variety with the next few questions.
00:20:34
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Kendra, favorite FMC. Okay, so this might be a shocker, but I have to lay out the specifics of this. My favorite FMC that I enjoyed the most is Lou in Welcome to the Dark Side. Lou in Welcome to the Dark Side is just so... That's just my girl. I'm sorry, I had a ride with her. However...
00:20:55
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Lou and other books, a little bit of a hypocrite. I agree. I wanted to fight her. Yeah. But if we only if we only talk about Welcome to the Dark Side, I'm like, that's my girl. And she's like, never mind, I'm not going to. She's 17. I want you to be careful with what you say. Thank you. We don't care.
00:21:23
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I remember, I have a screenshot of Kendra and I saying she's so hot. I was like, my fan cast for her is so hot. And Kayla went jail, jail time for both of you.
Future of 'Fall and Men' Series
00:21:33
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I was like, safe space.
00:21:38
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So I'm looking at my like ranking notes right now that I have and I did have HR as my number one which isn't really shocking to me but okay just to give some variety my second was Lila so
00:21:52
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it's a variety there there you go yeah unfortunately not unfortunately but like lacking yeah unfortunately lacking the variety hr is also my favorite female main character i just love her so much my little bad bitch just solid my nurse my nurse queen yeah you guys believe that you're the nurse and a dog mom yeah oh love her what's up
00:22:25
Speaker
Last ranking question. Selena, your favorite male main character. My Prez, Zeus, duh. I feel like he just gets like better and better in every book. Like my love for him grows. Like I just love him so bad. Like he's everything to me. Mine is
00:22:45
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Hold on, let me pull up my list. Mine is Danner, but in second place is King. King is just such a like, I think King started to grow on me in Danner's book, like seeing him in that book. I was like, that's a cool guy. Like, I get it, Chris, like, okay. Same, but yeah, Danner's mine. Danner's my baby. Final. Same for me, Danner's number one, but my second was priest.
00:23:13
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So, again, a little different. Is it because he's a redhead? A little redhead bomb? No. Is it because he's a murderer? Not because he's a murderer either. She wants a little blood play. Oh, my God. Once we get to that book, I'll share my feelings on it, which are mostly good, which are almost all good. Go ahead. Continue reading. Yeah, mine is also Dana. But my second is also Zeus. I love that man.
00:23:42
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I would say that's 50% influenced by the fact that Jason Clark married him so well. I feel like I know him. I was on Alive yesterday that Jason Clark was on and I was shaking with the restraint to not be like, what was it like narrating Zusquero? I just want to know everything.
00:24:00
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Okay, now that we've all shared our rankings, we're going to go book by book. This is the point where we're going to start spoiling stuff. We're going to be talking about our favorite scenes, our favorite smut scenes, the like general plot of the book. So if you are avoiding spoilers, tap out now, go read the books and come back. But so starting with Lessons of Corruption, Selena, can you give just like the general plot of the book?
00:24:25
Speaker
yes okay so basically um king is the main character king kalgaro he is the son of the fallen mc wait president son of the president of the fallen mc and he is uh 18 and he's in high school
00:24:49
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remember if I speak this is the legal age of consent is okay but he's 18 and basically he one day is like in this in this the drive what is it called parking lot of a grocery store and he sees this gal and this gal food him
00:25:18
Speaker
And the gal is Cressida Irons. She is new to town. She is recently divorced or is in the process of divorcing her husband. She's 26 and she's been groomed her whole life to get with this guy. She got married to him when she was 18. Her parents basically and the guy groomed her to marry him. And she was basically in a marriage that she was unhappy with.
00:25:46
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the guy sucked and she was just trying to get out so she wanted to move to a new town and become a teacher there because she was a teacher elsewhere and she meets the biker guy and has no clue of his age or anything
00:26:01
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Any history and basically they have like a cute little hot hookup and then the next day she goes to school Who's in her class? King Kyle Garo and the rest was history So yeah, it's a taboo student teacher reverse age gap romance This one I didn't hit for me in
00:26:27
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the same way it did for a lot of people. It's not just the taboo-ness of it, but for me, just like it being single POV was really tough for me. But I still had fun. I still have highlights. It was funny. Sorry.
00:26:45
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if you view it as like a comedy you're like oh this this is funny like cress is funny like that was crazy she's funny so is there a moment from the book from this book specifically that you just like always think about yes but before i answer that question i want to say something about my girl cressida for those of you for those of you who have not read it
00:27:08
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I will admit that the first time I read it, I was like, you know, my girl's a little cringe like she is she says and does things that I'm like, Whoa, what was that? But I do feel like she had some good character growth. Yes, it did take a very long time for it to come on in the first book.
00:27:26
Speaker
major growth in book four but in the first book it did take a really long time for it to come on and there was a lot of back and forth like should I do this should I not I don't know which was like very annoying and I know that's what a lot of people beef with in addition to some other things um but I do feel like you just have to give them a chance and I just feel like um it just goes up from there basically except in the opinion of Kayla it goes up after book three or at book three
00:27:56
Speaker
But, to answer your question, yes. The thing I think about all the time, and I don't know the exact quote, but it's when, like, it's the quote, it's the part where, like, King's like, I'm a grown boy and I'm hungry. And he's like... Sorry, do you think about that in a good way or a bad way? Like, in a funny way. Like, it's just...
00:28:21
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like that just gave me a full body shutter so like i said it's a copy giana had jokes for this one you guys are so mean i'm sorry um
00:28:35
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I'm a growing boy, and I'm hungry. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. The part that I always think about is the fact that this book has fake dating in it, which I think is just like on top of everything else. It's like a fake dating aspect because Kress ends up fake dating Zeus to help cover up the fact that she's fucking his teenage son. And that part, I'm just like,
00:29:03
Speaker
Again, I was like, wow, like, out of everything that happened in that book, that was the thing that was like, oh, okay, like, okay, trope, like a trope I love. Which is like so wild to think about that, Kress and Zeus even had to like pretend to be in a relationship. Like, I can't even like picture them like romantically at all. Which like, honestly, in a perfect world, it would have been Kress and Zeus together and then King and Lou together if we were playing it safe. If we were playing it safe.
00:29:28
Speaker
I know it's gross to think about, but to avoid jail time, it would have been those two pairings.
00:29:34
Speaker
Well, we're in Canada, so we are avoiding it anyway. Yeah, we're in Canada. One of my favorite scenes that I think about when I think about this book is there's a life and death moment. I don't remember exactly what happened. But afterwards, King refuses to leave Crestas side. And then he's getting out of bed to just go get something from downstairs. And he has to pause in the doorway.
00:30:04
Speaker
and just like stare at her in bed for a little bit because he's just like, I haven't left your side since this happened. I'm just having a hard time doing it, even though they're like safe in her house. I just thought that was so sweet. Yeah, that literally makes me sick, like, like they love each other so much. It's sickening. It is, but in the most beautiful way. Kendra, do you have a scene you think about?
00:30:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I just I said the fake dating part. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Sorry. But also this is the book where we get introduced to Cress's lousy ass bum ass brother who is like essentially the boy in this book. I hate him too. I don't know why Gianna keeps like trying to push him on us. I thought he'd be gone after this book. But oh my God, every time there's trouble in this series, his ass is always present. Like without fail. I'm like, oh my God. Like he should have died if we're being honest. What's his name? Lysander.
00:31:03
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What is your name? Yeah, but him in this book just like angered me so much because like Kress was just like trying to be there for him and like support him. And then he just was like, fuck it. Like, fuck you. I'm going to do whatever I want. Like, oh, that just angered me. So I felt I felt for Kress in that one little instance. But Kayla hasn't read this one just so everybody knows as she mentioned earlier. But what is the spice scene that sticks out in your head for this one?
00:31:31
Speaker
Um, I'll go. It's, I don't like it though. Sorry. So it's when, it's when Cress is like fucking herself in her classroom when like the students are there. Like, you know, when she's like getting like, I hate it. I hate it. I'm so sorry. Gianna said, Gianna said taboo capital T capital A capital B capital O capital. Oh, like girl, what were we doing? That's where I had to look at Cress sideways. And I was like,
00:31:56
Speaker
Miss ma'am, you are a teacher. Who am I teaching at the end of that year? Any any other like if they were literally anywhere else that scene would have been so fucking hot. But then when I put it in like context, I'm like, oh, no, no, I think about the library. That's like I am so sorry. The library is good. Yeah, I can't. This one has less that sticks out to me than the rest of the books. But yeah, I agree, though, the library.
00:32:25
Speaker
No, no anal on this one. Blah, blah. She was just getting started. So true. She's warming up. Let's move to Kayla's favorite book of all time. Oh, my God. Do I get to say what I loved? Everything I love. Kayla, do you want to read the description? Do you want to give us like a rundown on what the book is about? Be nice.
00:32:50
Speaker
Um, yeah. So there's this girl who's literally seven years old and she witnesses. Am I wrong? Sorry. Do you need to stop me? Am I incorrect? Am I factually incorrect? Whoa. No. All right. Okay. Okay.
00:33:08
Speaker
She witnesses some kind of I don't remember the specifics of this fight, but she witnesses like a fight or something. And that's part of the motorcycle club or the motorcycle club is involved in. Lots of people die.
00:33:23
Speaker
or a couple people die. I don't know how many people die. Zeus is one of those people that killed somebody and he's also protecting Lou in the same space. He's protecting this seven-year-old child, which I mean fair. Protect the child. Do that. Anyway, Zeus goes to jail.
00:33:42
Speaker
What did I miss? I don't remember. The fact that while Zeus is protecting Lu, they both get shot and end up in the hospital. And that's what binds them together. Oh, binds them. Sorry. I'm going to beat your ass, Kayla. Am I wrong?
00:34:01
Speaker
Anyway, keep going. They bond in the hospital. Why have you? While Zeus is in jail, though, because he still has to go to jail, they begin to exchange letters. Now, these letters at first are very innocent. Like, you know, just whatever she is writing to like this man that saved her life.
00:34:21
Speaker
Guardian. Yeah, her guardian monster. And later on in life, like when I think when she's is it when she's 15 or 16, she admits that she threw a letter 16. She missed through a letter to Zeus that she does love him and Zeus is like, no, little girl can't be a part of this. And so he cuts off communication with her. Then basically they see. Sure. And then, man, that's a man. And then a year later,
00:34:51
Speaker
Year later, Zeus sees her again and legal again, legal in Canada, to be very clear. We're not. We're not. He sees her again and he sees her for the first time at the strip club, right? No. Yeah. OK. Oh, no. It's not a party. Oh, OK. Anyway, point is.
00:35:15
Speaker
is they reconnect again basically. And then they start a relationship. They start fucking until the paint comes off the wall. And we literally never ever forget how old Lou is because Gianna absolutely loves to remind us every single second. Every single second. Every single second. You are 16 going on 17. Oh my god.
00:35:46
Speaker
Yeah. And then also Zeus loves to say how he knew that Lou was for him when she was seven. Okay. That's crazy. I'm sorry. You could like hate on them as much as you want, but like it's, everything is fine in my mind. Like I've just let it go. Just like,
00:36:10
Speaker
Literally all the parts that are like the most taboo just like literally like my brain. Yeah, I just like I have selective memory when it comes to that book because I'm like they're they're just like so in love. Can I share my favorite part of the book? Yes. So I think I have the same part.
00:36:31
Speaker
I think it's probably everybody's favorite fucking part is so fucking good. Oh, wait, we forgot to mention Lou is battling cancer. Yes. Yeah. She finds out when she's in the hospital after she got shot ish. And then she's like all sad. And he's like, Oh, it's gonna be okay. Like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then like she confides in him.
00:36:52
Speaker
while they're writing the letters in jail because her family literally sucks and she has no one and he is like giving her all this reassurance and kind words and like helping her get through her battle with cancer.
00:37:04
Speaker
with words, which is connected to my favorite part of the book, which is like she, the cancer comes back in this book when she's 17. Like she beat it when she was like 10 or something like that. It is back and she has to go through chemo again. And they're in the bathroom one morning and Lou's hair starts falling out. She has like long, beautiful blonde hair. It's like down to her ass. Like she's very proud of her hair.
00:37:28
Speaker
and so her hair starts coming out in clumps and she just starts immediately crying and Zeus comes in to check on her and is just like saying all the right stuff like you could be bald and I wouldn't care I'm in love with your soul like I
00:37:43
Speaker
and he takes a razor and shaves all his long beautiful hair off to match her and like the rest of the club shaves their heads for Lou and just like oh my god when he says my favorite line the whole book is love you even when you don't.
00:38:02
Speaker
He kisses her nose he says love you even when you don't do like how does this strong scary man like how does he how is he so soft like that's why I love him so much
00:38:19
Speaker
My favorite moment, I mean, it's just a dirty ones. I love when Zeus fucks Lou at her high school basketball game behind the bleachers tells her to grab onto her ankles and homegirl did it. I also love the floor. Yeah. She was like, I'm a true leader back out to dump her loser boyfriend. Come dripping down her legs.
00:38:48
Speaker
I also love when they do anal in this book. I mean, shocker. It's just so hot. And she's just like down for a down girl. And I also, on a more wholesome note, I really love mute. In this book, like Lou and throughout the book is working with kids who have autism.
00:39:05
Speaker
and Mute has been assigned to like, he's a part of the motorcycle club and he's been assigned to like watch her. And so like they like get to work together on that. And Mute is given his name, he like doesn't speak. He also has autism too, right? I think it's implied spectrum. Yeah. Yeah. He just like their connection in the book is just their friendship is just so beautiful. And like, I love you. And then Gianna does what Gianna does and kills them. So she's insane. I was so shocked.
00:39:35
Speaker
Yeah, Kayla, you can go. Do I get to say my favorite parts? Yeah, I want you to go so that I can talk about my favorite spice scenes when you're done. OK, well, I have my book journal page up that I made for this and I have four favorite parts.
00:39:50
Speaker
First one was mute. Second one was any scene dinner was in. Third one was when Harley beat up Lou. The fourth one was when Zeus was in jail. Wow, that's hurtful, that last one. Thanks. Oh, well, not thanks because it's hurtful, but just, yeah. I love the part where HR beats up or fights Lou like that. It's just so iconic every time.
00:40:21
Speaker
I also have the same favorite part as Brandy, but one part that just shocks me every time I reread it, which I've read it a total of three times now, is when Lou kills, who does she kill?
00:40:37
Speaker
blackjack oh yeah blackjack when she just shoots him in the face or whatever like i literally forget that and then i read it and i'm like holy shit like that happened like that shocks me every time but it's like iconic and had to be done but i was just like
00:40:56
Speaker
Wait, another favorite moment of mine, cause I went on my book journal too, such a good idea, Kayla, thank you. I wrote when, when Zeus calls out Cress for being a hypocrite, cause Cress is like, you're dating like a 17 year old, like she's trying to like give Zeus shit. And he's like, Cress.
00:41:11
Speaker
you do remember that you were dating my dating and fucking my teenage son the last person that who should be talking is you that's not exactly what he says but that's the vibe and i just remember laughing like jianna's funny she's funny that was funny oh wait and then when zeus gets a tattoo on his chest for lou he he's tatted up all over his body but his chest was the one place he kept there
00:41:33
Speaker
And he got Lou a tattoo for her. That's so sweet. I love him. And the lollipop scene hot. Yeah. My favorite scene is like the lollipop scene or also the A&L scene like Henderson. And when he when they're done and he said, you did so good tonight, Lou, I don't know why something about that part. I'm just like, yes, sir. Did I daddy?
00:41:56
Speaker
Oh my god, ew. This is probably controversial, but I just love that scene at the strip club where she's like doing the strip tease and she's, and then he like yells at everyone to get out and then like eats her out on the table. Oh my god. She was obsessed with embarrassing her female main characters because moments before that happens, she tries to do a shot of whiskey in front of him and spits it out all over. So fucking embarrassing. I know.
00:42:25
Speaker
Kayla, do you have a favorite sexy? Grab that one's over. Can we move on? Let's do it again for you guys. Okay. Do I actually like this one? I'll do it. Okay. Good Gone Bad follows HR Harley Rose, who is Zu Skaro's daughter and King Kyle Garo's sister. And she has been dating this loser.
00:42:47
Speaker
since high school, like big loser. Cricket is such a loser and he sucks. And the book opens with him like attempting to essay her and she kills him and she freaks out and calls Danner, who is a police officer who we find out like she hasn't contact in like two years, right? Like around two years. Yeah, there's a time jump that happened. Yeah.
00:43:11
Speaker
So she hasn't talked to him in like two years, but he's like her first call. And as a reader, we're kind of like, why is she calling Danner? Because so far, all we really know is that he's like one of the not shitty cops in town. So she calls Danner. He immediately comes and like gets her out of the house, like make sure everybody knows it was self-defense, make sure she's taken care of, like whatever hustles her away. You very quickly find out that Danner is undercover with a different motorcycle club in Vancouver who is like
00:43:37
Speaker
they are like the worst kind of motorcycle club they they are
00:43:42
Speaker
shitty abusive but but cricket was part of that oh yeah so that's right cricket was part of that motorcycle club so that's like adding all these like layers to like uh anyways um he's trying to like take down this other club but he and hr have like always had a thing um but yeah so then it's just like about like their journey to like try and be together while he's like navigating this and
00:44:09
Speaker
Yeah, they're like both undercover, essentially, because HR strikes a deal with the police to like, go back and try to infiltrate crickets gang because she technically could have an out of the gang, like now that crickets dead, but she gets kind of roped back in and she has to deal with Danner being undercover too. And it's just so fucking good. This book is I think this book is so many people's least favorite. And I'm like,
00:44:33
Speaker
How? Everybody says because they don't like the plot. And I'm like, what? I'm like, the plot is like probably one of my favorite in the entire series. It's so good. Same. In my, again, because having these book journal pages, that probably helps me remember a lot of stuff. In my review of my first two sentences I wrote, I wrote, thank God this one was better. Good Lord. I think I'd actually lose friends if I didn't like this one. Loser. Hey, hey, what do you mean? I liked this one.
00:45:02
Speaker
And I said that I would lose friends if I didn't like it, which is true. I would lose both of you. That's so true. You do anything to keep me on. And what about me with the dark side? That's crazy. Anyway, so, Kayla, since you like this one, what's what's your favorite part of this book? I bet we all have the same one. I know Kendra and I, the tattoo. Oh, no.
00:45:29
Speaker
Oh, no, I don't know what you were going to say. I genuinely don't know what yours was. OK, what was yours? Please talk about the tattoo. Oh, no, I just wrote like that was one of my favorite. I mean, I have like a lot of favorite parts that I wrote down, but that one was a really good one. And then like my favorite quote was the one where he's talking about the tattoo where he says, got you tattooed over my heart, rebel girl. Don't know if it gets more possessive than that.
00:45:49
Speaker
She's like, you're like a little possessive, Dana. He's like, oh, oh my God. Kendra, I'm sorry. Whoa, that scared me. Kendra and I have the same favorite scene in this book. Kendra, can you talk about it?
00:46:06
Speaker
Yes, so in this book, I'll give context since Harley Rose is undercover, she's been isolating herself from her family. And her like her Zeus and King are like so close, like they are just like such a cute little family. And so the fact that she's like isolating herself is like, just so sad for her and sad for Zeus. So Zeus one day shows up at her apartment because she's living in Vancouver. So she's no longer living in entrance. And that's how she's able to like keep
00:46:32
Speaker
a separation between her and her family, and Zeus shows up and disowns her, because he's like, you're hanging around with the berserkers, they're just not a good, that's her name, right? He's like, they're just not a good club, you're just keeping shit from us. Harley Rhodes, you're no daughter of mine. Fucking disowns her. Dana comes to her apartment afterwards and just sees that she's fucking traumatized.
00:46:57
Speaker
and she's like laying on the floor and dander gets down and like she's laying on her belly and he gets in the exact same position as her and just like spends the entire time like reassuring her and it's just so sweet it reminds me of that chasing car song that's like famous from grades anatomy and they're like if i lay here will you lie with me that's literally him i love that part so so so
00:47:24
Speaker
so much like i think about it all the time i think that's like what solidified them as like my favorite couple like that was just so fucking romantic and then i also
00:47:36
Speaker
I wrote, we'll get into that later. Nevermind, that's spice. But one of my favorite quotes is Danner saying, I'd break my heart a million times over if it meant keeping you alive. And then my favorite HR quote, because she's just so fucking obsessed with Danner. And she's like, I wanted to sew myself into every atom of his DNA and live there forever, intrinsically tied to him so that if any force tried to take me away, like I knew they would, they'd have to kill him to separate us.
00:48:04
Speaker
Gianna, you're sick. I did this on audio. That's literally like a King and Crest type quote. I did this on audio with Lucy Rivers. And that's how you know this book is good because Lucy Rivers was narrating it and I was like still really into it. Yeah, that quote. The funny thing is, when I read Good Gone Bad for the first time, I was like, four stars. It was good. But when I reread it, I was like, holy shit, what was wrong with me? Because I feel like
00:48:34
Speaker
Danner and HR have some of the same elements of King and Cress, of just how deep their love is for each other, but then also the elements of Liu and Zeus, just them being soulmates. They were connected from such a young, from such an early time in their lives.
00:48:56
Speaker
HR and Danner and just like seeing them throughout the years because like in the book you kind of get like flashbacks to times in the past where like Danner showed up for HR and it just really goes to show like how much they really are connected and I just love those little moments and then just seeing them like
00:49:15
Speaker
really get real in present time was just like everything because like finally seeing like HR be happy because like she struggled so much in life and like her mom sucks and you know she's grown up in a tough world and seeing her find someone that literally will like kill for her go to bat for her do anything for her was just stunning. I love them.
00:49:38
Speaker
Yeah they're also just like so hot because this book is Dom sub and I'm not usually a huge Dom sub girlie like I don't dislike it but I don't actively really seek it out but like it's just so well done and you guys when we were in line at book for Danza we got up there to Gianna and we were like
00:49:59
Speaker
We think that HR dinner is so underrated. We love Good Gone Bad so much. And she's like, yeah, dinner is based on my husband. So he has a special place in my heart. I was like, the implications of that. Yeah. Like the stuff that dinner is doing to HR in this book.
00:50:18
Speaker
I'm like, Gianna. Oh my God. Um, Kayla Ann, do you have a favorite smut scene? The only notes that I wrote down other than like what's already in my book journal that I, that I did when I read these books initially, but the only notes that I wrote down for myself for this episode specifically were HR dinner related.
00:50:36
Speaker
because I wrote down a lot of scenes for that book, because there's just so many. But I really like the scene with them in the Berserker House when Wrath is like, I think Wrath is initially there first and then he leaves and then they have a grand old time together. I like that one a lot. I mean, and the cabinets, the cabinets, Tanger to the cabinets was pretty good too.
00:51:04
Speaker
Here's the anal scene. Who's shocked? Nobody. The anal scene is hot. It's so hot. I was at the gym listening to this and the part where he spits on them while he's like... Danners hot. It's really hot. I'm like blushing like Danners.
00:51:35
Speaker
Um, and I just think their epilogue is just like my favorite in the whole series too. And their extended epilogue. Oh my God. I know. I was like, I get all the epilogues confused cause there's like literally 10, but I love the newest ones that are in the new additions. Like, Oh, I was crying. Oh, also you mentioned this earlier about wrath, like, Oh,
00:52:00
Speaker
We meet Rath who is like you find out that he's like also kind of a double agent he's a part of the berserker so you think he's like a like a Just a weirdo like the rest of them are and he is like Assigned to be HR is like new man since cricket is dead But then we find out that he's playing both sides and that he has a girlfriend named Kylie Was a beautiful black woman and when it gets found out that he was playing both sides the berserkers kill her Gianna rude and then
00:52:29
Speaker
Jonathan kills Raph and kills a dog in this book. She kills HR and Danner's dog as they share a hero. The greatest crime. Yeah. And what's so funny is that she laughs about it. Like she thinks it's fucking funny. Like, oh, yeah, I killed a dog. I killed Raph. I killed you. Who's next? Like.
00:52:47
Speaker
She's insane. She said, I want my readers to go into my books scared. And I said, oh, wait. And when I was reading this, too, I was texting Selena and Brandy and Selena had spoiled that the dog was going to die for me on accident. I remember that. She said, oh, my God, I'm a hero. I was like, what? Honestly, thank you. Thank you for the buffer because it helped a lot. Kendra, will you tell us about Afterfall, please?
00:53:13
Speaker
I would love to. After the fall is King and Cress's second book, and it takes place, like you go back in time a little bit so you get to see King and Cress and what they were doing during Good Gone Bad. And it kind of just like follows them.
00:53:28
Speaker
like live in their life breathing air like they're just having great sex like they both graduated from university um king really wants to like move up in the motorcycle world even though everyone's like bro like you can go literally do anything else don't know why you want to stick around here
00:53:44
Speaker
And then they have made an enemy out of Danner's dad. I forget his name. He's a fucking loser. And so Danner's dad is just causing a lot of trouble for the motorcycle gang and like King feels like he has to take the brunt of that. And him and Kress are they get engaged in this book and they have a beautiful wedding.
00:54:07
Speaker
And then major, major, major spoiler, but I think if you've been sticking around this song, oh well. And then King feels like the only way that they can avoid all this police drama that they're getting into is if he jumps off of a cliff and kills himself. So he kills himself. But he does. Well, he doesn't kill himself. He like gets shot. Oh, but he does get shot. That's right. Yeah, he gets he gets shot and then falls off a cliff. Yeah. And he
00:54:36
Speaker
In quotation, air marks dies, kills himself, but he had this all fucking planned little, oh, he pissed me off so bad. And then crest spirals into like deep depression. We see like, she's pregnant. Just how, yeah, she's pregnant. We also see, I think after the fall does such a good job of like showing you like just how close the MC club is as like a family because once King
00:55:01
Speaker
quote-unquote dies you see how it just like affects everyone specifically Kress and Zeus and also forgot to mention at the end of Good Gone Bad Zeus goes to jail because he's wrongfully accused of a crime so that's why they are like on the shit list of this police officer because they're trying to like set the MC Club up
00:55:22
Speaker
Yeah, that's why King is like, I gotta I gotta be the man now. And I'll just jump into a scene that broke my heart is that I think about a lot is when Kress has to go tell Zeus that King died in jail. And it was just so sad. And if you want a great audio book to listen to, this one is so good because it's like
00:55:46
Speaker
Savannah Peachwood, Zachary Weber as King, and he has like a little accent, and Jigga Morgan as Zeus, because you do get a Zeus POV in this book, and it's just heartbreaking. This book resurrected Cress for me because, yeah, you know, it was looking too good for her, but seeing her in this book, I just felt so much for her, and you said this earlier, Selena, and I wholeheartedly agree, is that Cress had such good character development, and I just loved seeing her in this book and how much she grew, and I loved her in King.
00:56:15
Speaker
they're just they're a good act like they're soulmates they're soulmates how they met a little a little different a little weird um but who cares about that now they're great they're well above 18 so we're safe i i think my favorite scene in this one is just like when they reunited
00:56:37
Speaker
And I just like loved how Cress wasn't immediately like weeping happy. She was like so pissed at him as she should be. Oh my God. And the fact that we're in King's POV when he sees her and he's like thinks he's dreaming, he thinks he's like making her up, but then he's like, wait, she's never mad at me in my daydreams. And she's pissed at him. Oh my God. Yeah, so sweet. The part where she's like, like, I would have felt it. Like I would have felt it if he was gone.
00:57:07
Speaker
hmm that rips my heart into real is that your favorite scene so no I didn't pick favorite scenes from like after the major spoiler because I didn't know if we're gonna be talking about that but
00:57:20
Speaker
what i picked a quote that i liked but it was it was i think after they after he proposed but he said um i loved you since the moment i saw you and i'll go on loving you forever there's no end for my there's no end to my love for you it's woven into the very fabric of my soul so even when our bodies die we'll still never stop loving and i'm just like
00:57:45
Speaker
so sick like i feel like before the trauma in this book like we just get to see king and crest so happy and in love and i just love that so much because obviously in the first book there's so much of the like back and forth of like should we be together should we not like this is wrong blah blah blah blah but like we just get to see them being so happy and that's what i love just because they're literally soulmates and i love seeing them happy together until giana took it all away
00:58:14
Speaker
Kayla, do you have a favorite part of this one? Yeah, I had a couple that I wrote down. I mean, Wrath being alive was pretty exciting. I know that has nothing to do with King of Crest, but that was pretty exciting for me. I was shook because I legit thought he was gone. Right, yeah.
00:58:30
Speaker
I remember texting you after I read Good Gone Bad and I was like, I'm pretty sure somebody's still alive. I was like, I think one of them is still alive. I was like, I'm pretty sure one of them is still there. And it thankfully was was wrath. I mean, I would have been fine with wrath or his girl, but.
00:58:47
Speaker
Anyway, so yeah, outside of King Kress, that scene. And then I wrote down, yeah, King's Wedding Vows was a great scene. And then I also really liked Kress's eulogy for King. Now, I did, you know, I, again, did not read the first one. So I already kind of had an idea in my head about Kress just based on, you know, two specific people. Kress's eulogy actually kind of like got me a little tearied, got me a little tearied up. So sad.
00:59:18
Speaker
Her and Zeus speaking at the funeral just literally wrecks me every time. Like I felt their pain. I felt like my husband died. Yeah. Cause they literally just got in there. Yes! And like how you mentioned how when Kress went to Zeus, like after he died, like she literally went there that morning in her wedding dress and then she went there that night in her wedding dress.
00:59:45
Speaker
Like, that makes me so sick. So sad. My favorite cement scene is when they fuck on the cliffs. Anytime they fuck on the cliffs in this book, hot with the champagne. Yes, that's a part I have. I wrote that down as well. She was on something. He literally, I have it up right now. He pours champagne into her mouth and it falls on her and then he face fucks her.
01:00:12
Speaker
Like, come on. I think that's like so hot when guys like. Yeah, it's very hot. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. That look interesting. What? You can't prove anything. I think we just did. Anyways, so next up is ancient lies. Selena, you have this one, too. So can you tell us about ancient lies, please?
01:00:39
Speaker
Okay, I'm gonna try to do this fast. But basically, it's about Lila Nova, which we have heard about since like, I feel like book one, if not book one since book two, but it's an unrequited love childhood friends to lovers romance. Lila has known the Booth family since she was like,
01:00:59
Speaker
four or five or something and she grew up with her brother and her dad and mom but her mom and dad are always into trouble like gang stuff, drug stuff and then the booths move in across the street and Jonathan aka Nova is part of that family and they kind of their family kind of gets worried about Lyla and her brother and kind of take them under their wing stuff goes down and
01:01:26
Speaker
Basically Lila and her brother are left with no parents to take care of them So the booths are hoping to adopt them eventually do but in this time Nova Jonathan becomes kind of like a good friend older brother type Person for Lila. Hey step, bro
01:01:52
Speaker
but always like supporting her and she like looks up to him a lot um and kind of has a little crushy crush on him but um as time goes on like basically a lot of stuff happens in childhood like trauma family stuff um but through it all they're their best friends um and then it leads into present time so we spend quite a bit of time in the past and then we go into present where Lila is just like fed up of
01:02:21
Speaker
Nova not giving her the time of day like she's put herself out there basically And he's just not Really giving her anything. He's a big like playboy but really only sees her as a friend and Lila does some silly stuff Gets his attention Then does some other silly stuff Gets herself into almost trouble and basically now she has his attention They kind of like start hooking up messing around
01:02:51
Speaker
And then feelings come out eventually, but it's beautiful.
01:02:56
Speaker
Brandi, as somebody who's not usually an unrequited love girly, how did you like this one? I really struggled with unrequited love in this book. I think specifically because, like, spoiler, like, it took her being engaged to somebody else for him to, like, get his shit together, which I hate because, like, if she would have just sat and pined for him forever, would he have let her? Like, that makes me sad to think about. I think probably not.
01:03:23
Speaker
But that was really hard for me to solve, especially in the small flashbacks, not the childhood flashbacks, but the ones where she was like 22. Oh my God, she was so pathetic. I love her so much and she's so hot. They're both so hot, but I'm like, oh my God, girl, stand up.
01:03:44
Speaker
go be with literally anybody else. It's so embarrassing. Everybody in the club is like, Lila's so obsessed with Nova. He won't give her the time of day, blah, blah, blah. Everybody knows Lila's obsessed with Nova. Oh my gosh, she's throwing herself at him. He's like, no, no, no, no. Oh my God, I hate it. Sorry. I don't hate them. I hate unrequited love in general. Yeah. Because I think I'm just a girly who had some unrequited love, so it's hard for me to think about that.
01:04:09
Speaker
Literally. I'm like, I can't believe I actually thought. I feel like for me, as someone who's been in many under quiet love situations, I'm just like, I feel for her. Like I have been there and I feel that. So I think, I think it could go, it could go both ways. It could go like Brandy's way where she's just like, I want to stay away. I don't want anything. And then me, I'm like, I feel seen, but I really enjoyed the story. I really love all the, like,
01:04:34
Speaker
because Lila is the flower child and she has flowers tattooed all over her body and I just love all the metaphor and comparisons of her feelings compared to flowers or her thoughts about Nova and love and stuff compared to flowers. I thought it was really beautifully written. Yeah, it's definitely.
01:04:55
Speaker
Um, I, so Lila is my second favorite female main character. I kind of agree with you, Brandy, about the unrequited love thing. I didn't love that. And overall the book felt a little bit disjointed or it didn't flow as well as some of the other ones for me, but some of my favorite parts, I really liked when, again, this is like another instance of Lila being really hot when she was modeling for the shop. I thought that that was really hot. And then Nova tattooing her was also like, uh,
01:05:24
Speaker
Really good scene as well with her and his lap. Yeah. Kendra, do you have a favorite part? Yeah, I wrote down Lila and Nova having sex and an emotional chat outside of Nova's parents' house. I thought that was just like so sweet. I love that scene then. I don't know. Honestly, I feel like my favorite scene is when Lila watches Nova fuck another girl.
01:05:49
Speaker
i agree i know that was kind of pathetic and i feel like that's what brandy was referring to but that was hot like it was just hot i just hate he followed her into i don't like how he reacted and was like yeah did that get it out of your system like forget oh my god no no in the moment yes it was super hot and then my favorite quote that i wrote down was
01:06:16
Speaker
It's Nova saying, where am I come? Almost as pretty as you wear my art. That was such a sleigh line.
01:06:23
Speaker
because he tattoos her so like of course she's gonna wear your comb as well as she wears your art oh she's hot my favorite line was when no or Lila was telling Nova about like the way that she loved him and she said it's like clean laundry and sleeping in our own bed after vacation it's like loving someone because you were born loving them like your parents or your siblings but more
01:06:46
Speaker
You're more than my family. You're more than my best friend. You're the choice I want to make every single day to live to the fullest and love the hardest." That's so beautiful. That's my favorite quote too. That's beautiful. But I agree with Kendra. I love the scene where they hooked up in the little fields in the backyard of Nova's parents' house. And then her mom was like, okay, whenever you guys are done, we're having dinner. And Lila's all shy.
01:07:15
Speaker
They heard us! They knew we were out here! His parents were like so good. Yes! I love them. But then like she like left and had like flowers in her hair and I was just like, oh that's so Lila. I love her. Yeah. I know a lot of people like this is their fave. It's a good one.
01:07:31
Speaker
Okay, ready? I wanna beat your ass. I love you, I love you. Okay. Last one. Last book that is currently out. Dead Man Walking. So Dead Man Walking, as we previously mentioned, is Priest in Bia's story. So Priest is the club enforcer, and we've known this since book one. He is very scary, intimidating, doesn't talk to very many people, loves torturing people that the club needs tortured, all that. And Bia is Lou's little sister.
01:08:01
Speaker
We first meet her when she's 15 and lose book, but she is 19 in her book, and priest is like 30. So she's been obsessed with priest, since she was like she met him when she was 15 she's just been like really infatuated with him because she's also always had like a very
01:08:19
Speaker
she's had an interest in the macabre, right? So she's into like, she runs a murder podcast or a true crime podcast rather, she's like loves to learn about like serial killers and the sociology behind it all and whatever. So she is very drawn to the darker side of him, of priest and
01:08:39
Speaker
She almost dies at his hands by accident because she was with somebody who he was sent out to take care of. And he feels like so much guilt that like something shifts inside of him where he's like, I not only can just like passively watch her be okay, I have to be her protector.
01:08:57
Speaker
And I have to make sure she's okay forever. And this is big for him because he has so much childhood trauma that he feels incapable of loving anybody or feeling any emotions. So it's huge that he's becoming obsessed with her. And I love that about this book. They just constantly call each other their obsessions. It's so unhealthy and I love it so much.
01:09:16
Speaker
So yeah, there is an active like serial killer who's like targeting Bea. That's a part of it as well. Why a priest feels like they need to be at her side in this town. And like, there's a lot of religious undertones in this book, which I love that shit. That is kind of like their story a little bit. Yeah, this one for me, it's it's actually my second favorite of the series, which is kind of weird because when I
01:09:45
Speaker
like think back on how I was thinking about the book. And again, this is my second favorite of the series. But when I first started this book, I was like really nervous because this is very different from the rest of the books. This one specifically, it's, well, first of all, it's like, it's just kind of more gritty. It's a little bit darker. It's also very violent. And there are a lot of things in this book that kind of made my stomach turn a little bit. It was just a little bit much for me.
01:10:12
Speaker
And I was also kind of nervous. Brandy, like you said, they each call each other their obsession. And while that's, you know, kind of like maybe unhealthy for me, I was actually kind of nervous that it would just be obsession rather than actual love. And but I do feel like and I wrote this like in one of my reviews that I felt like it kind of started to change like around the halfway mark. I liked seeing Priest kind of fight his emotions a little bit.
01:10:38
Speaker
That part I was like so thankful for that it made it out of the obsession stage, you know, and because I was just kind of nervous a little bit about that. But overall, I really do enjoy this. Yeah, he's yeah, he's he's literally like a certified psychopath, like diagnosed everything.
01:10:55
Speaker
that was like such an interesting thing because I feel like it could have been so easy for her to be like oh it's assumed like it's so easy to call him that but like no like he is one I did this on audio and I think the narrator did such a good job of like making that
01:11:10
Speaker
come across like the way he would just like have priests like speak it was just it was different it made him stand out a lot and I was like whoa like yeah this this guy is Irish yeah and he's Irish he's fucking crazy
01:11:25
Speaker
But this book is good. This book is gory. I think this is the best written book in the entire series. I think Gianna is writing here just like fucking leaps times 10. Every sentence I just like wanted to write down. It was just so beautiful. And I think because she was playing so much with like religious undertones, it just came across so well. Like having Bia be this like sweet on the outside, this sweet, innocent Christian girl was going to church every Sunday like pink and bow. Yeah, like so innocent. And then like having that contrast of
01:11:55
Speaker
priest who's like a murderer and like loves doing it and like is the club enforcer and it was just such a good not my favorite story but like just so well written and I loved it I thought it was for this to be the last book that's out I think it's a good book to like have out as your quote-unquote last one Selena I know this one's probably your least fave in the series right
01:12:19
Speaker
I mean I enjoyed it and I'm pretty sure I rated it five stars but I just feel like connecting to the couples like they're the couple I connect to the least but I do like their relationship was so unique and special and like I just really liked how like Bea brought out sides of priests that he thought would never come out. I thought that was really special. What's your favorite moment?
01:12:48
Speaker
I just looked for quotes and you guys have been just slangin' quotes, but I found this one. It's Bia saying this. She said, Loving Priest made everything I loved about my life and myself vibrant and clear. Somehow, simply and utterly more profound. All those traumas I bored alone before him, all those things, large and small.
01:13:08
Speaker
I'd always believed I hated about myself were suddenly given new depth and compassion. He hadn't changed my life. It was that he had given me new perspective, limiting, limiting everything, both good and bad in the golden light of his love. I'm just like, beautiful. See, writing on 10. Oh, she was in crack writing this.
01:13:30
Speaker
I do agree, Brandy. I am not a big religious girl. I got beef with the Catholic Church. I hope my mom never hears this. I think maybe she would take offense to some other stuff before she took this.
01:13:43
Speaker
But I do love a book that just like has those conversations about religion. I know some people really really hate it, like they hate books that touch on religion, but I really like to hear like other people's thoughts about them. Especially like a priest who has a lot of trauma relating to the church is very interesting to hear about his thoughts. And then B who was literally raised in the church on the opposite side.
01:14:10
Speaker
one of my favorite things about their relationship is that priest just like once he realizes that he's obsessed with Bia and he doesn't have the words to like say that he loves her like he doesn't feel like he's capable of that but he calls her his heart living wrongfully outside of his body and like there's this
01:14:29
Speaker
I just can't he says it multiple times throughout the book and every single time it like gives me chills like the fact that he because he says that he doesn't have a heart he doesn't have a heart and he's like oh she's my heart living outside my body oh my god their epilogue is incredible too it's like he can't say I love you but that's his way of saying it and also he shows it with his actions instead makushla yeah yeah oh they're so they're so cute and they're hot as fuck
01:14:59
Speaker
yeah i love um because we have a little bit of um lu hypocrisy in here but i love my man zeus putting her in her place i loved that and then also didn't priest
01:15:12
Speaker
say something to her, maybe everyone said something to her. But she was like, are you kidding me? You married a man 19 years older than you while you were in high school. And I loved how priests like dissed Lou. Like after she apologized at the hospital, he was like, okay, bye. I literally see my woman. Yeah. He like, she stopped him on the way. He's like, move, move, move.
01:15:34
Speaker
I was like, I love that. I, their epilogue is just so incredible because obviously spoilers, I'm talking about the epilogue in the last book, but we find out at the end of Dead Man Walking that B is pregnant and like she's like terrified because like she thinks that this is going to be his worst nightmare, like having to be a father and like whatever.
01:15:53
Speaker
he's like just so happy that she's okay and he's like it's gonna be part of you like of course I will love it and like oh my god he doesn't say love but he's like it'll be part of oh my god and then on in the epilogue he's like gone for like three weeks or something like that or like two weeks or something and he comes home and he's just like the way that she writes him like his whole body relaxes when he sees her and then he immediately has to go look at his baby son oh my god
01:16:20
Speaker
I love them. They're so cute. I wrote down two quotes and it was, a better man could love you, but now I'll kill any of them who try. That's so priest. That's amazing. And the second one is, I don't believe in fate, but fuck me if I don't believe in you.
01:16:42
Speaker
Yes, I just saw that one when I was scrolling. So sweet. I had so much napa. She was writing. And my favorite blowjaw.
01:16:57
Speaker
My favorite scene is when she gives Priest a blowjob. I thought it was really hot. And when he ties her up, I'm assuming they were Christmas lights. They were some sort of like, just so good. It was the shower for me. That was my favorite. Yes, the shower was good.
01:17:17
Speaker
I told them like, Oh, what's this book? It's just blood come in Jesus. That's literally this entire book. Pretty words and come everywhere. Quote. Oh, gosh. It's just so fun. Yeah. Do you guys have any? We'll keep this quick. But any predictions of like where you think the series is going? I know we probably we probably left out a lot of stuff that happened. This is meant to be like a fun little silly fun recap.
01:17:43
Speaker
So if we missed anything you can obviously tell us on Instagram. But is there something that you would like to see happen? Because Gianna says this series is nowhere near done. Yeah, and I hope she's gonna hold itself to that word. But yeah, I would love a Roth book ASAP. And I feel like with the newest epilogue in HR and Danner's book, I feel like she's slowly setting that up. But that could be the delusion.
01:18:11
Speaker
I want a rat book like so many people are like do you want rat do you want Kylie to come back or do you want like love after loss and I'm like low-key I don't want it I kind of act I want love after loss I think she's like dead dead no yeah I feel like yeah
01:18:30
Speaker
I feel like the vibe would just be so different if she came back. Because what tension would be there? Exactly. I want to see what would grow from wrath, what he'll deal with to get to loving someone new.
01:18:44
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not exactly not excited for Lysander and honey. That's so disgusting. That's so gross. Gianna, you're crossing the line. I could deal with Lou and Zeus, but Lysander and honey, we've seen we've seen honey as like a like, like, no, I can't. And yeah, and like Lysander is just a fucking like he's a creep. Zeus was like an upstanding citizen who also happened to be a criminal. Lysander is just a criminal. Yeah.
01:19:11
Speaker
I want a Dane book. I think that's my opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong. Like I don't know. I was talking to someone about this. Did they mention in one of the epilogues that Dane is engaged?
Timeline Confusion in Gianna's Work
01:19:24
Speaker
Cause I feel like I read that. I can't remember. I'm like literally getting the epilogues. There's too many. Like I'm lost, but I feel like I read that.
01:19:34
Speaker
I would believe it. But maybe it was like in one of the future epilogues so that we can hit this story. We know timelines aren't Gianna's strong. No, they're not. There are two novellas that go along with this series. You don't have to read them because they will just fuck you up because the timelines just, they don't make no type of sense. I was like, Gianna, what are you doing? Yeah. I read them after I read everything else because I missed them. Yeah. Then the prequel novella is pretty good. I liked it. Yeah, I liked that. But again, timeline.
01:20:02
Speaker
Yeah, the character that she wrote in that, like we see her in Christ's book and it's like, that's a different person. Absolutely. I have something I would like to see. I would like to no longer see 17 year old as her. She's no longer 17.
01:20:23
Speaker
I just said in general, I want no more 17 year old female main characters. The only way we would see a crazy age gap, I think, is if she does something with Angel and the little guy that's been adopted. Aries. Aries. Well, Gianna would pull some like step sibling shit like that. She's united. She already did it. Step bro, stop. Oh my god.
01:20:55
Speaker
My mom isn't home My mom's at the compound
01:21:16
Speaker
Okay, this is so fun. Selena, thank you so much for coming out. You can come back literally anytime you want. This was a blast. I loved it.
Podcast Closing and Feedback
01:21:25
Speaker
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01:21:41
Speaker
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