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Episode 338: Free Fallin'
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The Sounders find themselves mired in a five-game winless run. Jeremiah and Aaron contemplate what's gone wrong and how to fix it.
This week's music: Perry Como - "Seattle", "RVIVR - "Ocean Song", Woody Guthrie - "Roll On Columbia", "Your Journey Begins" - OurMusicBox (Jay Man) (CC BY 4.0)
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Introduction and Book Discussion
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This episode of No Sadietes is sponsored by Full Pool Wines, a Seattle-based wine seller who recently released their first book, 36 Bottles of Wine. The ethos of the book, a highly curated look at wine categories that provide exceptional value right now, should be familiar to full pool readers. But there's loads of fresh content, and since it's not trying to sell any wine through the book, there's a bit more of a sass factor.
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And there's food. Lots of it. Fulpel's unique writing style is applied to recipes like leftover Thanksgiving turkey, schmaltz-a-ball soup, and pregnancy nachos.
Meet the Hosts and Seattle Sounders Highlights
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This book can be purchased through Sasquatch Books. Hey, this is Christian Roldan. And Jordan Morris from the Seattle Sounders Football Club. And you're listening to... There's no study at this. What? Hey, Ocean! Let's go! Jordan Morris getting in behind Florian Youngford. Jordan Morris! Scores!
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And how's this for a save from Steph and Fry? Here comes Roy Deers from the middle to crowd it to Seattle. What do the Tigers dream of? They take a little Tigers in. It's the Sounders and an S-Com. I feel a lot better than Bob.
Sounders' Winless Streak Analysis
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I didn't know what it was. Is that what you young people call twerking? I have no idea.
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I don't know. Welcome to another edition of no idea to sponsored by full pool wines. This is episode 338. And we're recording on Wednesday, November 3rd, 2021. I am your host, Jeremiah Shan. Joining me as usual is Aaron Campo and Lickett P. So after six months of flying high and looking like world beaters, the Sanders are suddenly mired in a five game winless run. That's the longest they've gone without a win this year. It's the longest they've gone without a win since 2017. And the only time they
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What went longer between wins was that disastrous run at the end of 2013 when they actually went seven winless. The latest non-win was a tie at home to the LA Galaxy. Somehow, though, the Sounders remain in control of their own destiny when it comes to winning the Western Conference. It's now as simple as beating the Whitecaps to finish first in the conference for just the second time in franchise history.
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Aaron, what is going on? Do you have any theories? Yeah, it's a great question. I have several theories, as I think most people probably do, but they're all pretty unsatisfying, I think.
00:02:57
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Sounders have had a lot of guys play a lot of minutes, and I think that it's possible that's starting to catch up to them. I think that the Sounders have had some key injuries lately, and that's had some knock-on effects on even if those guys are getting back, they're not 100% yet. I think that it honestly seems like there was a little bit of a psychological hangover from the KC game and the way that all went down.
00:03:24
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And I think it's possible that teams have figured out how to go out the 5-3-2 or however you want to call the nomenclature. And teams have scouted it a little bit better and adjusted and know how to meet it. I think of all the problems, that's the easiest one to tweak things because
00:03:48
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you know, tactics are not just, oh, they're playing this formation. Well, if we'll do this, they can't play that formation anymore. But I do think that they're going to have to make some adjustments to what they're doing. The injury thing and the psychological hangover thing are tougher.
Challenges and Theories Behind Sounders' Struggles
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It seems like based on the way the galaxy went as unsatisfying as the result was that they looked much better, I think, and they looked much more composed than that came. They responded well to coming out pretty poorly, which was nice to see.
00:04:19
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The injuries and the fatigue and stuff is the one that really worries me. And I think probably it's the biggest concern and maybe even the biggest contributing factor of all. I would agree with you that probably that one passes the smell test, I think to me. I am a little skeptical of this kind of teams have just sort of figured out the sounders in part because
00:04:42
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That was I think that was probably there was some truth to that in the middle stretch where they had another kind of rough patch but then they went through this four game run where they were just pounding teams and it wasn't just random teams they beat you know they outscored the earthquakes who
00:04:59
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Maybe that's the bad one, but they beat Sporting Kansas City they beat the whitecaps and they beat the rapids who at the time were three of the hottest teams in the in the league and These they outscored those teams 12-3 and then and at that point it seemed like it was all there like they'd figured it out the Sounders were were flying they and they were poised to get back a bunch of guys eventually and instead they've kind of I wouldn't say they've fallen apart because
00:05:28
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I don't think they've been horrible in most of these games. I'll use the Galaxy game as a great example. They had problems, they had identifiable problems, especially I think their set piece defending is getting frustrating. Another thing that they've started to do a lot is get off to slow starts. Five straight games now, they've given up the first goal.
00:05:55
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They also corrected it. I thought that they look really good the second half, you know, and they were, frankly, a little unlucky, I think not to not to get this win. And I and I also wonder how much of this struggle is more of a optical issue than
Tactical Adjustments and Frustrations
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really a serious issue and I say that because you look at this five game winless run and in three of those games they had shots that went off the woodwork in stoppage time that would have changed the result.
00:06:31
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you know they they had the can't the gel palo free kick against houston that would have tied it they had the uh the christian roll dawn shot off the crossbar against kansas city that would have tied it and then this last game they had havira ariaga getting a
00:06:49
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absolute clean look on a header he puts basically all his power behind it and Jonathan Bond gets just enough of it to basically hit it off the underside of the crossbar and it stays out and that was the third time the centers hit the crossbar in the game and that's not to say that the center should have had results in it like you don't get partial credit for ball off the crossbar like I realized that it's not that what that means but I do think it sort of illustrates the margin
00:07:16
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that we're working on a lot of times, that it's like one shot.
00:07:21
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goes a inch or two the other way. And I think we're having a very different conversation, which I guess is sort of me saying like, maybe it's not as bad as it looks, as frustrating as it is. And I don't know. I tend to think that the fundamentals of this team are still pretty strong, but at some point that doesn't matter. You need to just get results, right? Yeah. I mean, I do think that you're right that
00:07:49
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There are a lot of little instances that you can point to where results could have gone either way to KC one. I think it's pretty obvious. I don't have, we recorded since then. I don't know. We don't think we have the last time we recorded was, you know, it was basically, I think after the, after the whitecaps game where they were like, everything felt great.
Impact of Missing Players on Recent Performances
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everything felt great. Like we were just flying high. Yeah. And so like in that run, right, the Houston game, uh, very frustrating to lose to one of the worst teams in the league, but it's in Houston. Um, they got two just incredible goals early on and the Sounders were playing a pretty, um, second choice lineup. And, and I think most, uh,
00:08:34
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It is, you know, as weak as the lineup as we've seen, I think this year. And then the sporting KSC result, obviously a farce of a game on several levels, not to
00:08:47
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you know, discount that the the Sounders did perform poorly in some areas in that game, but you know, definitely extenuating circumstances there. The Colorado game, a point away at Colorado is not a bad result. Colorado is somehow a pretty good team this year.
00:09:05
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the LAFC game, that was really bad. If the Sounders lose that game 2-1, I think that this whole thing feels much different. They just have not lost like that in a while, where they just look completely toothless. LAFC is not very good. You know, this was an LAFC team without without Croz Vela, below the playoff line, just a really
00:09:31
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You know, I will push back a little bit on that. I don't think that the like the sounders lost that game fair and square. I'm not going to sit here and say that they were good, but I do think it's worth pointing out that they
00:09:50
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they had some chances in that one. They probably should have had two goals, if not for Jamal Blackmon just playing at it. I mean, he made a couple like absolutely amazing saves in that one. And that doesn't, you know, again, like you don't get credit for the goals you don't score, but I do think that the 3-0 score line was a little unflattering in that, you know,
00:10:15
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And I think that the fact that they were down 3-0 at one point early in the second half, they were definitely playing against the game state. And so it's not like they deserved a result at all in that one. But I think that the scoreline was maybe a little deceiving in terms of how badly outplayed they were. And you can kind of dig into the numbers. I was surprised, actually, once I really dug into the numbers, how unkind the scoreline was. But go ahead.
00:10:41
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Yeah, I mean, sure, but they lost 3-0 to a bad team. Yes. No, that's a good point. It's definitely an unflattering result, I think, and probably 2-0 is more fair or 3-2 or whatever you want to say. Sure, I agree. It felt very bad. They were out of the game very early on.
00:11:01
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And that I think is the result in this stretch that feels the worst to me. In the LA, the Galaxy game on Monday, a very frustrating game, but again, I think one that they probably would feel like they could want. So outside of the LAFC and Houston and isolation, none of these results are that concerning.
00:11:24
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And, you know, sometimes that happens. Sometimes you just get on a run of bad luck. And I think that that's at
Upcoming Game and Its Perception Impact
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least part of it. I think the Vancouver game, I mean, it's very dumb to even say this, but I'm going to, like, that's going to determine a lot of how I feel about this run, because I think that they've got a full week to recover. This is a game with some pretty big stakes. Vancouver is playing very well.
00:11:49
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which is maybe more surprising than Colorado being good this year. You know, this is a good team, a tough game. And I think that regardless of playoff positioning or any of that, like you want to go into the playoffs on a high note. Yeah, having the week off would be great. Having home field managed would be great.
00:12:09
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You don't want to go into the playoffs in the sixth game winless run or, you know, God forbid losing to a rival team. So, yeah, I think that whether or not this is something that is going to torpedo the season or whether or not this is just a big run of bad timing, you know,
00:12:27
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I think it's going to be determined in large part by that Vancouver game. This does not feel like the, you mentioned the 2013 run and how the wheels just completely came off. This does not, does not feel the same to me. I think that that game, that season, you know, the team very clearly half of them hated each other. They could not get along. They were just plain disconnected. Guys like Michael Schferning, who had always been very solid professionals, were just making
00:12:58
Speaker
Unbelievably uncharacteristic errors. Like it just felt bad from the start. Um, this just feels like a good team that's hit a rough patch. So, you know, I'm still, I'm still pretty optimistic. I think the Steven could definitely make around any in the last cup. They have a run like this every year. It seems like maybe not quite this bad, but certainly not at this point in the season. Sure. And I think that that's the thing that feels different and feels worse is that they're doing this right before the playoffs when they historically have hit their stride.
Playoff Prospects and Player Recovery
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But
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You know, I feel like that is one of those things that we probably read too much in and create too many narratives around, or like when these rough patches happen. Ultimately, I think they probably, if they take a week, they get rusted, they get healthy, and they'll be all right at another playoffs. I don't think they're gonna crash out in embarrassing fashion, but you know, if they go out and stink it up against Vancouver, I reserve the right to change that perception about where things stand.
00:13:52
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Yeah. I think the thing that just bugs me sort of like narratively about this, the way the season has ended is that kind of what I alluded to at the start, which is this has been like up until the last few weeks, and really it's only been the last few weeks. I think it's been in a lot of ways, maybe the most enjoyable season I've watched The Sounders, like they, there was a lot of ups and there weren't really downs and there weren't, you know, like
00:14:22
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a couple results aside, you know, like there was definitely some frustrating results. The two timbers losses at home were super annoying. But, or I guess it was just one. But, you know, like,
00:14:36
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the season had been really satisfying and I had been actually I think I'd written about that about how enjoyable it had been and so it just kind of kills me that we're gonna that we're ending it like this and and you know the the funny thing is that in some ways I I think it's sort of all forgiven if they beat the white caps
00:14:56
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they win the Cascadia Cup, they win the Western Conference, which we can talk about this later, but I don't know how big of a deal winning the Western Conference is, ultimately, but it would be a cool thing. But yeah, I mean, if they can do all that, and they can kind of get back to playing well, I don't have a lot of major concerns about this team. Like, Raul Ruiz Diaz's health is definitely some concern.
00:15:21
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Uh, how much of a concern we don't know yet. Uh, but that's, I would say that's some cause for concern, but like I've been encouraged by the way Nico Ledero has looked in the two games that he's played. He seems to be moving well. You know, it's not like he's not the same player he was.
00:15:37
Speaker
last year at his best, but I think he's looked better than he had in the earlier instances when he's played. I actually really was impressed. I thought Jordan Morris looked really good. I think he was moving well. I can see him being like an impact player for sure. And he can kind of just go down the road. And if this team is reasonably healthy,
00:16:02
Speaker
going into the playoffs. If Rui Diaz is available, if Lidero is available, if Morris is available, like Jimmy Madranda and New Who, if you have a full roster of players, I think this is still like, I really like this team's chances. I mean, in fact, they have more talented players than I think they have minutes to give them if everyone is healthy. But I would really like them to win this Whitecaps game because it would make me feel a whole lot better about everything.
00:16:31
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. I think that it definitely feels like it's kind of on the precipice of just falling apart. And like you said, this year has been way too much fun for it to just fall apart like this and then, you know, on such like a wet fart of a way to end. Yeah.
00:16:47
Speaker
you know, I think you're right that this team is just way too talented to think that this is anything other than a rough patch that has a lot of, I think, pretty reasonable explanations, you know. I know a lot of people hate it when I talk about Aston Villa on here, but I think it's like a reasonable
00:17:05
Speaker
Um, comparison to make where everybody's freaking out about the way they've been playing lately. And it's just like, well, you know, they lost their best player without really having the time to prepare for it. All the guys that they were counting on to step up, um, have been hurt, you know? So they're like all these like really clear explanations for why things are happening that are
00:17:25
Speaker
a lot more plausible to me and I think any reasonable person than the guy that's coaching the team is an idiot. The players don't want it. Everybody got shitty at the same time. Like it's just like, no, this, these are like, we understand what's happening here. Players have been hurt. Um, players are coming back into form. Players have played a ton of minutes in a short period of time. I mean, if they played what, like eight games since the last time we recorded and it wasn't that long ago that we recorded last.
00:17:51
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I mean, it was only five games, but yeah, it's, I mean, and I will say you can go down to the roster and, you know, Kellen Rowe has played more minutes than he's played, I think in like four or five years. Jimmy Madranda has played more minutes than he's played in a comparable amount of time. You can kind of just go down the list of players and a lot of them are playing by far the most minutes they've played in recent years or else they've been dealing with injuries and it's,
00:18:19
Speaker
You know, it's like, I think those are all plausible explanations. It won't really, and I don't think it's gonna change how I felt about this roster. Like if we really, and this is sort of getting ahead of ourselves, but I still really like the pieces here. Like there's no player who I think my opinion has changed about really like during this run. It's not like someone got exposed.
00:18:48
Speaker
as being bad that we thought was really good or, you know, like, like I think Nico Benezet to use an example as someone who he's really useful.
Playoff Positions and Historical Context
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but he's probably not, he's not gonna be worth $650,000 to the Sounders, which is what his current salary is. But I didn't think that before either. But he's, and you can kind of like, Shane O'Neill is useful, but is he a $300,000 player? He's like, that's not what he costs, but like, no, probably not. So you just sort of go down the roster and it will make a lot of interesting things.
00:19:29
Speaker
But, um, I, I guess I would, my big thing is like, I, I don't want them to finish third, uh, at all. I think that would be a real bummer. Uh, and that's not outside of the realm of possibilities. They could tie this game and they could still finish third. If, if both the rapids and sporting Kansas city were to win their season finales, uh,
00:19:53
Speaker
I don't know, that would just be a huge bummer because it wouldn't come with a Champions League spot. They'd get a home game, which is great, but they'd have to go on the road probably for the conference finals if they get there.
00:20:12
Speaker
They actually go on the road for the conference semi finals even potentially. So yeah, I mean, the fit the gap between first and second and second and third I think is like I'm not super worried about the gap between first and second, I'm a little more worried about the gap between second and third.
00:20:29
Speaker
And there's this stat that I found that it's like, I don't know what to make of it, but only one, since 2013, only one number one seed from either conference has made it to the finals. Now that was the 2017 TFC team that won it all and beat the Sounders as you might remember. But nine number two seeds have made it to the final and the other six teams were all ranked third or lower.
00:20:57
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which is like just a crazy thing that the number one seed is is almost it might not literally be the least likely seed to make it because I think there might be I don't know if any seven seeds have made it but it's just it's crazy like how little the number one seed is meant and what I also think is funny is that if the sounders
00:21:23
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finished second or third, looking at the schedule and the playoffs, they're probably going to play on the 23rd because that's the last day that the first round is being played and the Seahawks have a home game on the 21st. And so my suspicion is that they're not going to try to get the sound. They don't want the Sounders to play on, on gridiron lines on the 20th.
00:21:44
Speaker
So they would probably plan on the 23rd, but if the centers win the conference, my suspicion is they're going to be the team pick to play on Thanksgiving, which is on the 25th. So it's like, they'll even get two more days of rest. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I mean, I guess that with the, we're still doing single elimination this year. With single elimination, that definitely changes the,
00:22:11
Speaker
Um, calculus a little bit, although for the sounders, I mean, not to be too glib, but like, I've spent most of the season thinking that the home versus away form was, um, just randomness, but I actually, I'm increasingly convinced that the sounders are legitimately better on the road this year for whatever reason. Yeah. I don't know. I'm skeptical of that one, but they're going to finish with more road points than home points. That's true. I think.
00:22:42
Speaker
If you're asking me whether I would rather the Sounders be at home or away for one game, I would definitely rather them be at home. But I don't think that the penalty of them playing on the road is anywhere near as much as it is for those teams. I think that the advantage of them playing at home is anywhere
00:23:00
Speaker
near as much as it maybe has been in years past. I just- That's all true. I would agree with you there for sure. I think that what we're seeing in terms of them being the gap between their performances, maybe there is some
Home vs Away Game Performance
00:23:13
Speaker
weirdness making it as pronounced as it is or not the gap between their home and away record, but the gap between the expectation, I guess. Because there's a, I think it's like a
00:23:24
Speaker
30% bump or something like that that you expect is like the average between home and away. It's like home field advantage is worth like half a goalie game or something like that. And the Sounders are definitely not there. And I don't think that that's all random chance.
00:23:41
Speaker
So, you know, maybe not having it, like even if they end up in a situation where they have to go on a road to play sporting KC, maybe that sounds big deal. I don't know. So, but you're right. The finishing third is just emotionally going to be a huge bump. Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's more of an emotional letdown than it is like a practical letdown. I think they can probably go on a run from the, like, I guess I'll say this, if they play well,
00:24:09
Speaker
And they have, let's just say they play well and they tie Whitecaps 1-1 and they end up finishing third. I, I guess I wouldn't be that freaked out over it. I would be bummed because I just think finishing third optically sucks. But if they play well, I think I would still feel pretty good about their chances.
00:24:30
Speaker
going into the playoffs. I still think the fundamentals of this team are good. My biggest concern right now, I think, is
00:24:42
Speaker
is the set piece defending weirdly. Like I was, yeah, for the last five games, they went from being one of the best set piece defending teams to really bad. Like they're giving up way, way too many chances on set pieces. They gave up a set piece goal against the galaxy. They easily could have given up at least one more. And
00:25:09
Speaker
know, I don't know what's going on there. I know people hate zonal marking because every time you give up a goal while you're zonal marking, it's clearly the defense's fault. It's because you're zonal. It's because you're American zonal. Right, exactly. But no one ever gets mad about man-to-man marking when you're
00:25:29
Speaker
Mandaman marking has never been responsible for it's just the player who gives it up, right? But zonal marking is always responsible. Yep. It's very stupid. But I like there's something seems to be have gone wrong with their zonal marking. Yes. In these last like, I don't know how you don't account for Chicharito being left all alone. With three guys, like right there.
00:25:52
Speaker
Right. It definitely like they it's not like they are giving up goals but there's nothing about the way that the like the chances on set pieces look that suggests they're doing anything like there's very clearly something wrong you know what I mean like you can you can watch the way the goals have happened and watch the way the other big chances teams have had happen and compare that to what their set piece depending has looked like the rest of the season and clearly see that something is not working the way that it was.
00:26:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the other thing people have sort of gravitated towards is the loss of the two assistants, Gonzalo Pineda and Jimmy Treori. I don't think we can totally discount that possibility. I thought it was interesting, you know, at the end of that four game stretch, they had actually been,
00:26:47
Speaker
they've been better without them than with them. And I think they'd played a roughly basically the same number of games. I don't think it was because those coaches left at all. Like I think it was more in underscoring that like, there's fundamentals that they had built while they're here.
Assistant Departures and Strategy Adjustments
00:27:05
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But I don't know, I, I there's probably some brain drain aspect of like, once things start to go wrong, it's tougher to correct them when the people who helped put the
00:27:18
Speaker
you know, put the action into place in the first place are no longer there. But I don't know, I still think the centers are pretty competent staff. Right. But I don't know, these are all things that I guess we'll kind of be discussing. And who knows, like in a month or in six weeks from now, maybe we'll be saying like, oh, yeah, I guess that was silly. Remember when we were so worried? Yeah.
00:27:42
Speaker
or else you'll be sick. So you never know. You never know. People always, I mean, we were, you know, falling all over ourselves to talk about how great they were the last time you recorded it. And now it feels the opposite. And, you know, that's the story of the show, right? Is overreacting to random events. That's, you know, that's what we do here. So it's, but it is,
00:28:06
Speaker
I just, it seems so implausible to me that one of the best sounder scenes we've ever seen just forgot how to play soccer. Right. Yes. I think that's what it comes back to me every time. Yeah. Go ahead. No, I mean, that's, that's pretty much it. I mean, like the only thing that I can point to that feels like
00:28:24
Speaker
a serious problem that's something that they can do anything about rather than just wait for itself to work itself out is the set piece defending. And, you know, like even bad set piece defending teams can win games. This is still a very good team with a lot of talent. And I think having a week off and then maybe having a little bit more time before the playoffs start is going to be extremely beneficial for them. Right. Yeah. I think that the
00:28:53
Speaker
that the break between the regular season and the playoffs probably helps the sounders more than anyone else. And it's not just health, it's like just sort of getting their head on straight. So, you know, we'll see, we'll see how it works out. But hopefully they can close out the season strong and the regular season strong and we can kind of like worry about something else.
00:29:19
Speaker
That would be nice. That would be nice. All right, well, we're going to take a break, come back, and answer a bunch of your questions. You're listening to Nos arriettes.
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00:30:11
Speaker
Welcome back to Nos Adiete. So we have some really pleasantly nice questions here. I'm very pleased to dig into this. I'll just start off by opening up with this one. We're going to go through the whole roster.
00:30:29
Speaker
We're going to start the segment off by going through the whole roster. Carl Nelson wants to know who from this year's roster will still be on the team in three years.
Future of Current Sounders Players
00:30:38
Speaker
So we're talking about the start, I guess, of the 2024 season. We're going to call it. Yeah, that seems right. Okay. So we can do, we'll go alphabetically and we're just going to like name a player.
00:30:57
Speaker
and we'll kind of give her thoughts on it. So. Sounds good. Start with Avi or Ariaga. What do you think? So I think he is pretty unlikely to be around because I think he either lives up to his potential and moves on for a big payday or he doesn't. And the Sounders decide there are better ways to spend the money he's going to be commanding. That would be my, my take. I think, you know, he's, he's 27 right now. All right.
00:31:26
Speaker
I kind of think he's here for a while. I think the window, if the Sounders were going to turn around and sell them, I think that window may have already... I think COVID may have killed that possibility. That could change.
00:31:44
Speaker
I actually think he could end up being like a like for me, I think he's been the Senator's best defender this year. He's been really good. Yeah, I have no complaints with him, but he is making a lot of money, so.
00:31:57
Speaker
you know, where he has a, he has a sizable cap hit, but yeah, he does. You know, I, I mean, I guess it could get smaller though. I think, I think this might be the, I mean, it will be interesting. Who knows? Like it would be funny if the center's like, Oh yeah, this, we're not even picking up his option for next year, but, uh, I assume they will, but I think his cap, it's going to go down a lot. Cause I think I don't think the transfer fee is done. Right. Yeah. I think the transfer fee is done after this year. Cause it was just, it would have been prorated over the, uh,
00:32:26
Speaker
the guaranteed portion of his contract, which I think is probably over. But yeah, I'm going to say. I wouldn't be disappointed. Sorry to keep interrupting. Oh, not disappointed. Yeah, I don't think it's a disappointment or not. But I mean, he'll be 30. I think he and I don't think he's going anywhere. All right. The next one, Josh attention. I think I think he'll still be around. Yeah. Yeah, I would say.
00:32:50
Speaker
If he's not around, I would say there's a chance that he goes to Europe, but it doesn't strike me as the, I don't think that's gonna happen. I think he's probably here. Although I could see a world where he gets into the US national team picture and who knows if that happens. I think that he has a skillset that tends to make itself more apparent in about three years' time, like 22, 23, 24.
00:33:17
Speaker
I guess that's a good point. He's still only going to be 23, 22 in three years. That's a good point. I think that's when guys like that usually start showing up on the radar of European teams.
00:33:29
Speaker
No, that's a, that's a great point. But yeah, I think he's probably around. All right. Read Baker Whiting. Yeah. See, alternatively, I think there's a pretty good chance he's gone before, before he even really plays that much for the Sounders. Like I think, you know, he just, he has a really interesting skill set and he's, it seems like he's on the radar of some European games already. So I could, I could definitely see him being gone.
00:33:53
Speaker
Yeah, I could actually see him in a situation where he is eventually loaned out to someone. Like, he could maybe even be on the sounder's roster, but he's on loan. Like, I think next year's gonna be interesting for him because I don't... Like, as the roster is currently constructed, it's gonna be hard for him to get playing time. Right.
00:34:18
Speaker
You know, he's got if the centers are really high on them, they're going to have to figure out a way to do that. And I suppose that's what the second team is for. Right. But the one thing is, I guess he can't legally move until he's 18. Right. Right. But that's two years from now. And so, yeah, I think I suspect that was maybe part of why this was so three year thing is because the players like that. All right. Nico Benizei. Don't see it. Don't see it.
00:34:44
Speaker
I don't either. If I had to bet, I don't think he'd be back. It's going to be really interesting to see if he comes back next year though, because we kind of alluded to this in the earlier segment, but he's on $650,000. There's no way the sounders are interested for him in that. But he also strikes me as someone who really seems to enjoy being here. He's someone who
00:35:10
Speaker
I don't know, he's like, and this is, I don't know the guy, I'm going off of social media and kind of the few times that I've interviewed him in a group, but he seems to someone who's like looking for vibes, you know? And he seems to feel the vibes here and who knows, maybe he's just like, maybe he wants to stick around and like, if he's back next year, I think there's a good chance he's still here in three years, but I think there's a pretty good chance that he's not back next year, but we'll see.
00:35:40
Speaker
I think I think he's shown from like two years ago when he first came to the league, he's shown a pretty notable decline. And I just have a hard time seeing him being like a super valuable MLS player in three years. It could be wrong. All right. Will Bruin.
00:36:00
Speaker
I feel like probably not. Yeah, I don't think Will is gonna be. My suspicion is he's back next year, but he's from St. Louis. I have a feeling he's gonna wanna be in St. Louis when they come into the league in 23. Yeah. And I can't blame him. Leo Chu.
00:36:26
Speaker
This one's tricky because I think it's kind of my same answer as for Ariaga, but even more so, where I think you almost have to hope he's not here because that means he's likely kind of lit it up. And he definitely feels like an investment signing. And so if he, you know, lives up to his potential the next year or two, that can make the sounders a lot of money. And I think they're kind of hoping for that.
00:36:57
Speaker
So no, we'll see. You know, he's very young, obviously. So he might not quite get there and still end up being a worthwhile investment as a player. But I'm going to say probably not. I agree with you. I don't I think I like his I like him. I think he's I think he's got some
00:37:17
Speaker
I think the Sounders made a good investment in that one. And that's making me think that he's going to, you know, he, I think he'll get a lot more playing time next year. And if he gets a lot more playing time, he's going to put up numbers. And if he puts up numbers, he's going to get sold. Uh, Steph Cleveland or no, no, no. Uh, a B Sisoko. Um, man, I don't know. Um,
00:37:44
Speaker
I like his game. I think he could, he could definitely have a career in MLS. Um, but I don't know whether he's going to have the kind of career in MLS where he sticks around on the same team for that long. Um, I could see it, you know, he's, he's very young. Um, he definitely still has some development to do. He's, he's, he's played well, I think, or as well as you could have expected. Um, but I don't, I just, I don't know. It's a hard one.
00:38:14
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know where to go with that one. I wouldn't be shocked if he was here in three years, but...
00:38:22
Speaker
I know he's also said that he wants to go back to Europe at some point. Yeah. And, you know, and I don't necessarily think he's he's not someone who necessarily needs to go back to Europe. And that doesn't necessarily mean legal. And that could be, you know, we do or whatever. Like, I think he would, you know, he so I don't know, it'll be interesting. I I think he could be like, I'll say no. I'll say no.
00:38:48
Speaker
I mean no as well. Steph Cleveland. Gonna probably say no there as well. Yeah I don't think, I think if there's one player the Sounders can move this offseason and get some allocation money for and I think they're gonna need to get some allocation money this summer or this offseason because I think they have a bunch of guys that are due raises and
00:39:12
Speaker
I think Cleveland's probably the player who is most likely to fetch that. So I'd actually be a little surprised that he's back next year. And I don't think he'll, yeah, I don't think he's gonna be back. Jordy Delem.
00:39:27
Speaker
I'm going to say yes. I think that he is a valuable player, a lot of flexibility. It doesn't cost a lot of money. Only 28. Yeah. No reason to think. I mean, this is assuming he recovers from his knee injury. No reason to think that he won't.
00:39:45
Speaker
Um, yeah, I think he he's shown some progression. Um, he's probably not going to get a lot better, but I don't think he needs to to be a valuable sort of back of the roster guy. Um, easy player to have around. Yeah. Yeah. I can definitely see him being around. Yeah. Even Dobler. Hmm. I'm going to say no. I'm going to say probably not. I think either he is.
00:40:11
Speaker
makes himself too valuable. Like I think he's someone who I think is either going to increase his value in a way that the sounders have kind of like need to find somewhere else for him or he doesn't progress and he's not around. Like I don't see a necessarily, if I had to guess, I don't think there's a long-term future here. Steph Fry.
00:40:35
Speaker
This is maybe the hardest one because he's 35. He will be 38, positively ancient in three years, but goalkeepers can play for that long. So I think that if he stays healthy and stays at a relatively high level, he's absolutely here. I can't see the Sounders wanting to move on from him as long as he's a good, you know,
00:40:59
Speaker
capable, you know, championship caliber, number one. But that's impossible to know. Yeah, I find the guest. I think he's back. I think like, yeah, and they'll be an interesting one. But I actually I feel like that's actually a pretty easy answer for me. And I think Fry's back. Jaymar. I think so. Yeah, I think he'll be around.
00:41:28
Speaker
Yeah, I think what's interesting, what makes him interesting is, you know, he just got called into the Colombian national team and he had never been called into the national team before. But if, you know, he's 20, he's 29. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he'll be, I think he's too, he's probably too old to, even if he were to play, like get onto the roster for the world cup.
00:42:04
Speaker
I feel pretty confident in saying no. I hate to say that. I agree. Danny Leyva.
00:42:13
Speaker
I'm going to say yes for similar reasons to a 10 CO, but I'm less certain. I think that he could also kind of fall into that bucket of stagnation where he's not getting a ton of minutes here and needs to move on. But I think he'll progress to the point where he's getting enough minutes to stick around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's another one who I think if he's young enough that
00:42:40
Speaker
he won't necessarily have, like I don't think he's gonna play enough in the next year or two to force a move. And so then he'll be, yeah. Lidero. No, I don't think so. I don't know. I think Lidero could be back, could be here. I don't think he'll be playing for the Sounders. I think he still might be with the Sounders organization, but I don't think he's gonna be playing in three years. Yeah.
00:43:08
Speaker
Okay, you had you had me for a second. Yeah, I think he could be I, I wouldn't be shocked if he I think he'll be back next year. I think that might be the if I were to guess I if I were to draw it up in my head, I think he's back next year.
00:43:30
Speaker
And I think maybe he leaves the Sounders and plays one more year in South America. And then maybe he comes back and he coaches for the Sounders. That would be nice. I wouldn't mind that.
00:43:46
Speaker
Uh, Jimmy Madranda, I think so. I think there's a pretty good chance if he can stay healthy, he's going to be the left back for next four or five years. He's only 27. It's insane. It's crazy, dude. Now, if he can't progress to a point where he can't play 90 minutes, then that's certainly a problem. Um, but I think that that's not necessarily the long-term plan. Um, but I could see him being the best left back in the league next year. I could see him being.
00:44:15
Speaker
like a whole range of possibilities, but I think he'll be bad. I think, I think there's a good chance he's back. And I think that this year may have actually just been scratching the surface of what he's capable of. Yep. I hope so, but I'm going to say no. He'll be like 30, 33, 33, 34.
00:44:48
Speaker
wherever he's playing, he's probably going to be making a lot of money relative to him unless, and I think I'm going to say back. I'll say Freddie Montero. No.
00:45:00
Speaker
No. He'll be in Seattle, but he won't be playing with the Sounders. This is a fun one. Jordan Morris. Jordan Morris is, I think, the most fun one because I genuinely have no idea. I think most likely the ship has sailed on going to Europe, but I don't think that it's
00:45:19
Speaker
completely sailed, if things go well over the next year or so. And I don't think the sounders would stand in his way if that's what he wanted to do. But I can also see him playing here, you know, for the next 10 years. Yeah, he just turned 27. Yeah. And so he'll be getting ready to play, like, oh, I'm going to outline a scenario where I think
00:45:49
Speaker
You're right. Like I don't know if he's back or not, but I think the scenario where he's back is kind of a fun one to think about because I think he could like, if he's back in three years, I think that he's probably tearing up the league.
00:46:10
Speaker
He's putting up like Wanda in his prime type numbers. And I think, you know, he's someone who, if he's back in three years, I think he's probably, that means he's going to spend his whole career here probably. And he might be making a run at the league scoring title. Like, I don't think that's a crazy thing to think because if you look at where Wanda was at the same point in his career, goals wise, Morris is ahead of that pace. Now there was a lot like,
00:46:37
Speaker
Wando scored a ton of goals between the ages of 27 and 31. So there's a lot of ground to make up there. But if Morris is still here, I think it means that he's probably here for the long haul. And I could see him scoring a boatload of goals. But the scenario where he's not here, I think it goes a little like this. He gets called into the December camp.
00:47:04
Speaker
because it would make perfect sense to call him into the December's camp. It's a cap cupcake type thing. He's going to be coming off this long, his off season was the year essentially. Maybe he does well in camp cupcake. He gets called and he gets back into the qualifying rosters. He gets back into the qualifying rosters. He does well. He goes to the World Cup. If he does anything in the World Cup, I don't think it's crazy to think that at 28 years old,
00:47:33
Speaker
Someone wants to bring them over to Europe, and I don't know that the sounders are going to be looking for a big payday like I think they just let them go. Yeah, I think that that's the that's the wrinkle because I think that if it weren't for.
00:47:46
Speaker
Jordan Morris being who he is and who he is to the Sounders specifically, I think that that would be over because he's going to be way too valuable to most teams to let him go for what I think a European team would be willing to pay for him. But I do think that his history, the bad luck he had the last time he left, all of that would play into the Sounders being a lot more willing to let him go for maybe less than what you would really consider is that his actual value.
00:48:14
Speaker
Yeah. All right. Well, I'm realizing we're going to have to probably move through these a little faster. Trameuse. I don't think so. No, I don't think so either. Shane O'Neill. No. Yeah, I don't. It would. No, I don't think and I don't think that's a knock on Shane. I just don't think so. Yes. Alfonso Ocampo Chavez. No. No. Spencer Richie. Also no.
00:48:42
Speaker
Yeah, I could see it, but if I had to guess, no. Yeah, backup goalkeepers are, you know, it's just... Yeah, Christian Roldon. Yeah, I think so. Do you think he'll be back? I think so. Yeah, I think he's back unless... Yeah, no, I'd like it. I mean, like, I know he would like to go to Europe, but...
00:49:07
Speaker
would love to him it would be great to see wouldn't it be great to see him and jordan do like it would the whole career together in seattle it would be great i'm gonna just say yes because i would like the idea of it alex um i don't think so yeah i i think he's gonna for i think he's i i think if he
00:49:31
Speaker
I don't know that he's here more than another year in part because I think the gap between what the Sounders are willing to pay him and what he's worth to someone else is going to be too big. Exactly. I think he can go and have a long and pretty good MLS career, but I don't know if it's for a championship calendar team necessarily.
00:49:52
Speaker
Well, I think he could be on a championship. I just don't think the Sounders are ever going to pay him. What? Yeah. Like, I don't think he's going to, the Sounders are, it's hard for me to see him like getting Kelvin Lierdom money, even though he's probably a better player than Kelvin Lierdom with the Sounders. But someone he's, he's going to get Kelvin Lierdom money from someone. Probably. Yeah. Uh, Kellen Rowe. Uh, no, I don't think so. Yeah. Three years out, probably too, too long. Uh, Raul Ruedias.
00:50:22
Speaker
No, I doubt it. Yeah, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say no too, but I think he's here for two more years, very productive. And then he gets a big payday. He gets money to go somewhere else. Brad Smith. No. No, I think he's, I'll be a little shocked if he's back next year. Andrew Thomas.
00:50:49
Speaker
Uh, I barely know who Andrew Thomas is. Um, but I'll say yes, we'll absolutely be back in three years. I think there's a decent chance that he is, uh, I think there's a decent chance he's actually the Sanders goalkeeper of the future. Uh, but that's a long way. Like he's, man, he, he played seven games for the, it's, he's a funny story. He played seven games from the defiance and I think they went three, one and three with him. And.
00:51:19
Speaker
then he got hurt and then we haven't heard a thing from him. And so, I don't know. I think he's a sneaky one. I think that he might actually be really good. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. And finally, we're going to close out with New Who. I think there's a decent chance, but I'm going to say no. I'm not... Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough one to call. I think he could very easily be back in France in a year or two. But not back in France, but in France in a year or two.
00:51:49
Speaker
but I think he could be here for 10 years. I genuinely don't know. Yeah, he's a wild card. I'll say no, because I hope for his sake, like he deserves. It's like, I think, yeah. I mean, it wouldn't be bad if he was back, but I'm going to say no.
00:52:09
Speaker
All right. Uh, wow. I don't know how much time we spent on that, but we maybe didn't think that through, but I hope you enjoyed it. I had fun. Yeah, it was fun for me. All right. Let's get back to some of this other more pressing stuff. Uh, I guess I'll ask it since I've already started interpersonal, which is better for the sounders. Number one seed in a first round by or a lower seed and an extra 90 minutes to build chemistry, but also extra risk.
Benefits of Different Playoff Positions
00:52:35
Speaker
It's 1000% to buy. I think that the biggest problem this team has right now is fatigue and the more rest, the better. Yeah, I think you always take the buy, even though I just kind of gave that whole spiel about like the number two seeds, I still think you always want to play at home. You always want the highest seed you can get.
00:53:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think, but I don't think that this, I don't think this guy's argument is without merit. I just, no, I don't, I
João Paulo's Role vs Former Players
00:53:09
Speaker
don't either. But, but I think that just given where the team is at and what we've seen the last month, you take the bye. Yeah. All right. Next one's from Coffee Bikes is, is your Apollo the best slash most important to the team? Sounders player ever. I mean, I don't, I can say no only because
00:53:32
Speaker
There was a period where Ozzie Alonso, the Sounders almost literally could not win without Ozzie Alonso. Nico Ledero had some times where he was so indispensable. I think he's been their most important player this year, for sure.
00:53:53
Speaker
Yeah, I think he's in the caliber of where Ozzy was maybe at his best, but I don't think he's necessarily surpassed that. And I think that speaks more to the overall health of the roster than it does to his relative skill. I think that's true.
00:54:12
Speaker
This is from DS Rawlin and he says, I would love a completely honest discussion about Schmetzer's insistence on playing underperforming guys either at all or for too long in a given match. Exhibit A is Killenrow versus Josh Attensio.
00:54:29
Speaker
Um, we love this question. We do. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I think that Kellen Rose has been much better than, maybe not much better, but has been better than Josh Tatensio this season. Um, is, I think a little more dependable than Josh Tatensio can play more positions than Josh Tatensio. Um, Josh Tatensio has had, I'm super high on Josh Tatensio. I think he's, he's awesome. Uh, I think he's going to be a really good player, but he's had some really bad games and made some really bad mistakes.
00:54:58
Speaker
And I think recently, especially. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's Kellen Rowe.
00:55:03
Speaker
You know, he had some bad moments in the last game that I think were largely fatigue related. And I think he could use some time off, but I mean, he's been a good player this year. He's been, I think, everything you can ask for from a guy that's making what he's making, he's played more minutes than, or as many minutes at least as anyone on the team. He's played at a league average level at like two or three different positions. I get that his game is not the most exciting in the world to a lot of people, but I mean, this is MLS, it's a salary cap league.
00:55:32
Speaker
Uh, the Sounders will win a ton of games because they find guys like Kellen Rowe and, and figure out a way to get the best out of them. So, um, I think that, you know, every coach in the world is going to have their guys, every coach in the world is going to have, um, probably a tendency to lean on veterans more than, than they are, give young guys a chance. Um, there are a lot of reasons for that. I don't think Shabazzo is any different, but in this case, I just, I have a hard time.
00:55:59
Speaker
seeing a ton of faults with most of his roster decisions. Yeah, I say this as someone who is a huge Josh Atencio fanboy. I've been kind of singing his praises all year.
00:56:18
Speaker
in a must win game, I'm kind of, I might be team Ro still. I think, and I, the other thing is like, I don't necessarily think it's a choice between Ro and a 10 CO all the time. Ro is the reason Ro is playing so much is because he's all over the field. He can play it, you know, it was five or six different positions. I mean, yeah, I think more broadly though,
00:56:42
Speaker
Schmetzer's reluctance to make earlier subs is a little frustrating. But at the same time, I know a lot of people get frustrated that Leo Chu hasn't played more. And I think that's sort of one of those things where we might have to trust that the coaches are seeing
00:57:05
Speaker
like aspects of his game that we aren't, like we see the highlights, we see the explosive runs, we see the, you know, the speed, we see the, you know, like he's a good player, he's a talented player, but I don't always think we see all the stuff that, I don't think it's just as simple as like, oh, the sounders are, or Brian's reluctant to play a young guy. But,
00:57:34
Speaker
I think, I mean, the question is definitely for me, like, can he play at that level for 90 minutes or 60 minutes or whatever? And I think that that's a, that's an element that like people substitutes are generally more dynamic and exciting because they're running the guys that are tired.
00:57:51
Speaker
Right. And it's a tougher thing to do that over 70, 80 minutes. So the next one's from Stefan Hoggins. Seems like the squad this year just started getting healthy. It's had too late to gain momentum heading into the playoffs. How quickly do Nico, Raul, and Jamo trio, how quickly do you guys think the Nico, Raul, and Jamo trio will start to click and get into gear? Well, I don't know.
00:58:21
Speaker
I think, I don't think that we're going to, I don't think that's going to happen against the white caps. Cause I don't know that all three of them more play against the white caps. I mean, I think it's entirely possible that that particular trio never. Like I they're right. I think, I think it is probably, it was probably too late for that trio to all click together the way that we would like to.
00:58:47
Speaker
But I don't think that's necessarily what their championship hopes rest on. They don't need all three of those players to be firing to win. They've been very good without any of those three players firing at times.
00:59:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you're right. I think it is too late. So, for all three of them. Now, I think we could see glimpses of all three of those guys being good. Yeah. But, in fact, if I had to put my money on, well, I guess Rudy Diaz is the one that's mostly, assuming he's, we don't know how serious his injury is, so. Right. But I think,
00:59:32
Speaker
Morris is probably more likely to be an impact sub than Lidero is to be Nico Lideros at his prime for 90 minutes. Yeah. I think that Jordan, I would be shocked if he's, if he starts at all this year. I would too. But I definitely think he will get to, I mean, he was great against LA and I was just switching back and I thought he looked fantastic.
01:00:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, and I will say that if Rui Diaz is actually out for more than the Whitecaps game. It. They might almost have to start Morris in the playoffs. This Bruins probably not going to be back until late, right? Exactly so. And who knows this is from Bill Jones Trumpet. He says if you could travel to a Sounders away game next year at any league at Mackey's team, which would you prefer based solely on the cuisine?
01:00:33
Speaker
I think it would have to be one of the teams in Mexico City. I mean, that's like a global food city. So I'm sure the food is good elsewhere. I don't know enough about regional Mexican cuisine. It wouldn't be one of the coastal cities because I can't eat shellfish. So what's even the point? But yeah, I think definitely Mexico City.
01:00:55
Speaker
Probably, I mean, I guess I don't, I don't actually know who's on the CCL next year. So, uh, I don't think it's decided who from the league at Mac and use, cause they, they, they're still in the middle of their season. So whatever the worst team from Mexico city is that can send a CCL that's who I would like to play next year.
01:01:13
Speaker
All right, the last one is from IP Ross. I think it's an I, could be a J, I think, but we're just gonna go IP. If you had to make a tat per person on a roster, and I did get some clarification here, the idea is the average number of tattoos per person on the roster, what would it be?
01:01:34
Speaker
You know, there was a time when I would have really known this, but we don't get into the locker room as much, but I know Rui Diaz has a bunch of tattoos. Steph Fry has a bunch of tattoos. Jordan Morris, he's got a few.
01:01:53
Speaker
But I don't know how many of the guys outside of that. I don't know how many of them have a bunch of tattoos. I think that Fry and Maria Diaz have so many that if nobody else on the team had any tattoos, it would still be an average of like five or six per guy. Maybe. It's kind of like how the average income of like, you know, the U.S. is is obscenely high, but it's because like two guys have one hundred and fifty billion dollars or whatever. Right.
01:02:22
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably around eight or nine per person.
Sounders Players' Tattoos and Episode Wrap-up
01:02:27
Speaker
I think the mean would be more interesting, and that's probably like three or four. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think though, who else has like a bunch of tattoos? I think a lot of the guys probably don't have any.
01:02:45
Speaker
Madranda has some tattoos. Yeah. The young guys probably don't have a ton out there. I think they do. I think, I think Leochu has a few. Rudy has a few. Freddie has a couple. Freddie does have some.
01:03:01
Speaker
Morris has a few, it's also possible that like, I mean, you've been in locker room, but like it's possible that, you know, Shane O'Neill has like a huge back piece or something that was just interesting, I don't know. And so- Right. And Kellen, yeah, exactly. But yeah, so it's probably multiples. Benizei has an anime guy in his ass, maybe, I don't know. But yeah, I mean, it's, I definitely feel like it's skewed towards the top, for sure.
01:03:30
Speaker
I also feel like it used to be higher. Like I feel like there was more players that had tattoos previously, but that also might be because I was exposed to those tattoos more previously. So, hard to say.
01:03:42
Speaker
But thank you for the question. Yeah, that's our show. Hopefully you enjoyed that roster breakdown. We haven't done something like that in a long time, but it was an interesting thought experiment that was kind of fun to go through. Yeah, it was fun with that. But thanks for everyone that submitted questions. Thanks for listening. Hopefully we'll be talking to you after the Whitecaps game at some point before the playoffs start.
01:04:09
Speaker
I am Jeremiah Shan signing off for Aaron Campo and look at P and oh yeah, thanks for sponsoring full pool wines, which I can never, hopefully people are still doing full pool. It's got, I know we've got a lot of people through the pandemic that were. I'm actually, I'm thinking about getting into wine. I need to, yeah, I had a glass of wine at my wife's birthday dinner and I was like, God, this is really good. I should do this more.
01:04:35
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Yeah. Well, good. I'm glad to hear that. All right. Well, anyway, I'm Jeremiah Chan, signing off for Aaron Campo. And look at P. This is No Study at This. And remember, you'll never get along. Green Douglas, where were the waters cut through? Down and wild mountains and tangents you flew. Canadian Northwest to the ocean so blue. It's Rollong, Columbia Rollong.
01:05:03
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Roll on, Columbia, roll on. Roll on, Columbia, roll on. Your power is turning our darkness to dawn. Roll on, Columbia, roll on. We love you. Let's win another one!