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Speaker: Look, to be honest, I said to Leanne actually the other day, I said, look, what you've got to realise is you're going to be able to leave a legacy for your kids and for your grandkids now and for their kids to listen to how great-grandma travelled the world.
Speaker: I think it's fantastic.
Speaker: Retirement.
Speaker: That's what we're all aiming at, right?
Speaker: But exactly what does that mean?
Speaker: It conjures up visions of endless days of golf, drinks with little umbrellas in them on a tropical beach, feet up reading a book.
Speaker: Is that what it's all about?
Speaker: I don't think so.
Speaker: Life would get pretty dull after a while without anything meaningful to do, don't you think?
Speaker: I'm Jackie Doucette, and I'm on a mission to discover exactly what life is like beyond retirement.
Speaker: Join me while I chat with people who've already done it, who've retired to something rather than from something.
Speaker: Let's find out together exactly what's waiting for us when we say goodbye to that nine to five.
Speaker: Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Beyond Retirement.
Speaker: Today I'm really excited because I have Lyle and Leanne McCabe from the Beach Travel Wine podcast with me.
Speaker: In case you haven't listened to their show and you don't know who they are, they're a retired Australian couple who are definitely making the most of their retirement.
Speaker: As they say on their show, they're traveling the world and telling us about it one wine at a time.
Speaker: Leanne and Lyle, thanks for joining me today.
Speaker: Hi Jackie.
Speaker: Perfect.
Speaker: I'm really excited to hear about all the things that you guys are doing in retirement.
Speaker: But the first thing that I do, I always ask every guest is to tell us a little bit about who you are, where you came from, and how you ended up doing what you're doing now.
Speaker: Well, it could be a long story, so I'll give you the too long, didn't listen version.
Speaker: It's our second marriage.
Speaker: We've been together since 2015, so anything before that was raising children and having careers and...
Speaker: since then we you know we sold a business and retired and we started to travel and then obviously 2020 happened so we were able to travel where obviously we're Australian you can hear by our accents and we travel around Australia and I convinced Lyle to um do a travel podcast um as a way of keeping a bit of a journal and sharing our stories with friends and family and it's um
Speaker: And now we just basically travel when we can and we live in the beach side place here.
Speaker: We're looking at the ocean now when we're not traveling.
Speaker: And, you know, we just seem to have the perfect lifestyle, I think.
Speaker: Actually, and part of the, I'll tell you a little story, the day we met,
Speaker: Liam was telling me, you know, our first coffee day and Liam was telling me how much she wanted to go to Spain because she'd been learning Spanish forever.
Speaker: And I said, well, I guess I'm going to Spain then.
Speaker: So that's how it all started.
Speaker: So she didn't have to convince me too much.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: So you say you retired and then you started traveling.
Speaker: You don't travel full time right now.
Speaker: You kind of go back and forth, do you?
Speaker: Well, we don't travel full time because we sort of live where most people want to travel to in summer in Australia.
Speaker: So, you know, we're at the beach and it's a beautiful spot.
Speaker: And somehow I've ended up with eight grandchildren.
Speaker: So, you know, I know clever, aren't I?
Speaker: Do you want me to explain?
Speaker: No, it's okay.
Speaker: It just sort of means that we can't, you know, like I couldn't be away for too long.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Or permanently, you know.
Speaker: So how do you decide where you're going to go?
Speaker: Do you just throw a dart at the map or what do you do?
Speaker: Well, pretty much.
Speaker: You know, I'm not a big planner like having a list to tick things off.
Speaker: So, yeah, I guess Europe's always going to be somewhere we like to go because of the – Lyle loves the history and I'm coming around that way as well now.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, of course, it's good for us to travel in our winter, which is, you know, European summer.
Speaker: So that's perfect as well.
Speaker: Yeah, we just, you know, we listen to other podcasts as well and, you know, do a bit of research.
Speaker: And, yeah, we just sort of, yeah, we don't really have a plan.
Speaker: Our next stop is New Zealand, though.
Speaker: So we're going skiing, which, you know, goes against everything I say about the beach.
Speaker: But that's a lot of fun to go there, though.
Speaker: Yes, we're going with Leanne's, what is it, eight adults and eight children for the first week.
Speaker: And then the second week, Leanne and I are going to enjoy Central Otago Pinot Noir.
Speaker: It's a very big wine region.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Eight children and eight adults.
Speaker: That'll be a heck of a time.
Speaker: I know, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Anyway, we'll podcast about it, don't we worry.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'll be competing with her sons on the ski fields.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So let's talk a little bit about how you do your podcast and whether, I guess, do you do it just as you're going or do you do it when you come back?
Speaker: How do you decide what you're going to do?
Speaker: Well, a little bit of both, Jackie.
Speaker: We, you know, when we sort of did our first one, we were sitting in our apartment in Paris and we just got such a buzz when we'd done it.
Speaker: And
Speaker: It was such an adrenaline high.
Speaker: It was just like, look what we've just done.
Speaker: And there was a couple of podcasts I listened to previous that they made it sound very simple, you know, and I know that you can be very technical.
Speaker: And I just knew that if that was going to be the way I had to do it, it wouldn't work for me.
Speaker: So we found the easiest way to do it.
Speaker: And then so while we're there, we will do a podcast, but we do one every week.
Speaker: So sometimes if you're in a city like Rome, which is our next project for a week, there's way too much in that for one podcast.
Speaker: So, you know, so we'll probably get, you know, three out of that.
Speaker: So we do start off.
Speaker: We started off in Venice and we podcasted about that.
Speaker: But as we went along, we were getting too many for the
Speaker: places we've been, if that makes sense.
Speaker: So, so we're home now and we've still got probably six Italian podcasts to get through.
Speaker: Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker: But I think that's a really cool way to travel around the world and to share it with everybody because no one gets to see it or no one gets to experience it
Speaker: quite the same way as when you're right there doing it like at the time and I think that's you know maybe even just walking around talking about it that would be kind of a kind of a cool way to do it well I mean I take lots of photos that you know that's sort of my my um hobby when we when we're doing it and that's always nice to look back through those and that helps you know with putting the podcast back together as well so um yeah
Speaker: Yeah, I think that you may not have noticed, but I'm a little bit older than Leanne.
Speaker: And basically Leanne said that she decided just before she puts me into the nursing home, I'll have something to listen to.
Speaker: And look, to be honest, I said to Leanne actually the other day, I said, look, what you've got to realise is you're going to be able to leave a legacy for your kids and for your grandkids now and for their kids to listen to how
Speaker: great grandma traveled the world.
Speaker: I think it's fantastic.
Speaker: I think it is too.
Speaker: I think it's an amazing way to do it.
Speaker: And the fact that you've got, you know, grandkids who will undoubtedly listen to it at some point, even if they're not too excited about it now.
Speaker: I've got one of the little boys, Sebastian's four, and he, his mom sent me a message for her in Italy.
Speaker: And he said, he said, how do Italians put their underpants on?
Speaker: You've
Speaker: I know, right?
Speaker: But it's just he's sort of connecting that you're somewhere different, so they do things differently, and that was his sort of thing, oh, when he was getting ready for daycare or whatever.
Speaker: So they don't get the concept fully, but, yeah, they're getting there.
Speaker: I thought it was going to be a joke and he was going to say, well, one leg at a time.
Speaker: Yeah, well, that's what I said.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's really good.
Speaker: I read one of your blog posts about your trip in Spain and you were talking about the costs and breaking them all down.
Speaker: Excuse me.
Speaker: Do you try to keep your costs?
Speaker: I guess everybody does keep your costs to a minimum or do you like have a budget that you're going on when you retire or when you travel or do you just kind of do what it takes?
Speaker: we just do what it takes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, I mean.
Speaker: Within reason.
Speaker: We're not budget travellers.
Speaker: You know, we don't want to be backpacking and staying in hostels.
Speaker: That's not for us.
Speaker: But we don't go business class flying.
Speaker: Well, yeah.
Speaker: For instance, we're sitting in Venice, right, and probably the silliest thing to do is to have a glass of wine sitting on the Grand Canal.
Speaker: We look at each other.
Speaker: That's what we're here for.
Speaker: We've got to have a glass of wine on the Grand Canal.
Speaker: It's going to cost you more than if you went a block back, but, you know, you've got to do those things.
Speaker: But, you know, within reason, we know how much we should be spending.
Speaker: Italy was a little bit more expensive than what we were hoping.
Speaker: Lyle's joking that I might have to go back to work.
Speaker: But the other side of it too is I've found some of the best things we've ever done are probably the most expensive, like helicopter flights in Hawaii or helicopter flights in New Zealand where you land on the glacier and then you go fly the rest down to Milford Fem.
Speaker: You'll never forget that.
Speaker: And, okay, it's $1,000.
Speaker: But, man, it's so worth it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: If you make that trip, you might as well do the things that are involved, right?
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So we talked about deciding where you're going.
Speaker: Do you ever argue about where you're going to go next?
Speaker: No, I'm just doing something I'm told.
Speaker: Okay, good.
Speaker: Great answer.
Speaker: We don't argue, no, but there are a few places that I sort of come up and he sort of gives me the look as if to say, you know, you're joking.
Speaker: And then we've got this huge big Atlas, you know, picture book that's probably, you know, so well worn and
Speaker: You get it out and I know you can Google stuff, but, you know, we love looking at the book and just seeing where, you know, what's actually in the country and where it's close to.
Speaker: And, you know, like, you know, Albania is on my radar for some reason, you know, like it seems to be like, you know, and it's not on Lyles, but, you know, it's right on the Mediterranean there.
Speaker: So maybe.
Speaker: Tell them the story about Mallorca.
Speaker: Oh, well, yes.
Speaker: Tell Jackie about the Mallorca.
Speaker: When we went to Spain one trip, because I do the planning, because Lyle's really pretty flexible, and I'd booked all the accommodation ahead.
Speaker: And we don't book what we're doing when we get there, but I like to know where I'm staying.
Speaker: I think that's a girl thing.
Speaker: And I had it all booked.
Speaker: And about two weeks prior, Lyle sort of sneaks up to me and says, you know, honey, I'd really like to go to Mallorca.
Speaker: I'm like, what do you mean you want to go to Mallorca?
Speaker: I've just booked, you know, everything's, you know, and he's like, oh, but, you know, I really, really want to, can we do it?
Speaker: And I sort of huffed and puffed for a while.
Speaker: Yeah, for two weeks.
Speaker: But I did manage to reduce, you know, our stay in Valencia and then, you know, add four nights in Mallorca.
Speaker: And so I get to the airport in Valencia and, you know,
Speaker: the plane's not going to take off and we've got to get back off it and I'm just still fuming and I'm like ah see and then we hadn't paid for luggage which I you know that I had to pay extra for that and so I wasn't happy and I was you know I told you so anyway we walk into our hotel in Majorca and I open the door and there's the Mediterranean and the you know the hills are rolling down into the sea and
Speaker: And I just turn around to say, turn around to Lyle and say, okay, you know, I take it all back.
Speaker: I'm happy now.
Speaker: It's all worth it.
Speaker: It was all worth it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So have there been any places that you are sorry that you visited?
Speaker: Yes and no.
Speaker: We went to the Maldives for me and I think it's probably it's so overrated.
Speaker: And that's coming from an Australian perspective because we live on an island surrounded by tropical beaches and, you know, the Great Barrier Reef and things.
Speaker: So and it's such a long way to get there.
Speaker: But we went there to see a guy called Jimmy Barnes, who's Australia's, you know, living rock legend.
Speaker: And I've been a fan forever and he was, you know, doing this intimate three concert thing, you know, at the Maldives.
Speaker: So that was fabulous, but I wouldn't go back to the Maldives, you know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: What about you?
Speaker: I think everywhere we've been, I've learned something, you know, and I think.
Speaker: Oh, good answer.
Speaker: Well, you do.
Speaker: It doesn't matter.
Speaker: Like I probably wasn't as keen on Mexico and yet,
Speaker: And part of that was the first time we'd actually done a tour.
Speaker: Normally we do all the arranging ourselves, but we had a credit because of the COVID business.
Speaker: And we really came up with Mexico was because it was Spanish speaking.
Speaker: So I can say hola, muchas gracias.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And it was all about the temples.
Speaker: Like it was a historical tour.
Speaker: So that part of it was fantastic.
Speaker: The tour guide was 15 out of 10.
Speaker: I mean, he was that good, but it was so rushed.
Speaker: And so for us,
Speaker: You didn't get to appreciate.
Speaker: You know, they say, you know, you went to, you stayed in these towns, but we didn't really stay in the towns.
Speaker: We arrived there at 7.30 at night.
Speaker: We had dinner and went to bed and was up at 6 o'clock to get on the coach again, which some people loved that, and there was people on that particular tour that they love it.
Speaker: But for us, we've been spoiled, really what it comes down to, that we love to slow travel.
Speaker: But the sights were fabulous.
Speaker: I think I find cruising the same as that.
Speaker: I thought going on a cruise would be a great idea because you could get to see so many different places, but you don't really because you land, like you say, you dock at 5pm and you're off again at 8 in the morning and you never see things and you don't have the time.
Speaker: And if you get off, you've got 2,000 other people to try and navigate as well.
Speaker: Yeah, right.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's interesting.
Speaker: I like your answer, Lyle, the idea that you learn something, you get something out of everywhere, but it's not necessarily true that you'll go back.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it also improves your compassion a fair bit too because Australia here, we're blessed.
Speaker: I mean, really, we have no problems at all.
Speaker: And you go to a place like Mexico and you see that they have totally different perspectives on everything.
Speaker: And you get to understand why.
Speaker: And it also makes you realize how lucky you are again.
Speaker: This reinforces it.
Speaker: Yeah, it does.
Speaker: So you've, we talked about where you, what you didn't like, what's the place that you liked the most so far?
Speaker: Pretty much everywhere.
Speaker: I'm a Spain girl.
Speaker: I just, I just, there's something about Spain when I go there.
Speaker: I just, I just love it.
Speaker: And we've been to, I don't know, 50 different cities and villages all over Spain.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I think that's when you really get to know, know, know a place as well.
Speaker: I think.
Speaker: And we talk about this often, but I think the thing that I love about Spain is they've really stuck to their culture.
Speaker: They still have the siesta.
Speaker: You go out at midnight and there's, you know, grandma and the adult children and grandchildren.
Speaker: They're walking around and there's never an issue.
Speaker: There's never an issue with safety.
Speaker: There's tapas, there's flamenco.
Speaker: Yeah, there's bullfighting.
Speaker: Whether you like it or not, it's still part of their tradition.
Speaker: So the festivals in their lives is huge.
Speaker: And we went to a place called Santander, which is in northern Spain, and it was their week, what do they call it, Gran Samana.
Speaker: Yeah, Samana Grande, which is party week.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: They hadn't had it for three years.
Speaker: They hadn't had it for three years because of the COVID.
Speaker: It was unbelievable.
Speaker: And Santander, it's a beach place.
Speaker: Like it's a holiday destination.
Speaker: It was just fabulous.
Speaker: Like there were DJs on the corner streets and there was live bands and it was just.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so we come from a hospitality nightclub sort of, you know, when we were working first.
Speaker: So we love all that sort of stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker: Of course, Australia, you know, and we speak to so many people when we're overseas and they're like, and everyone, and Lyle doesn't help.
Speaker: I get so cross with him, you know, because everyone is terrified of the huge, you know, man-eating spiders and the, you know, the snakes that are going to, you know, come up in your bed and kill you while you're sleeping.
Speaker: And don't forget the crocodiles.
Speaker: And the crocodiles.
Speaker: And the shark.
Speaker: And if that's not bad enough, we make up these animals called drop bears, you know, which are, you know, koalas gone mad.
Speaker: And, you know, I was walking yesterday along the beach in my normal track and I'm thinking I should video this and show people, you know, like in my normal day, I can't remember the last time I saw a snake or a huge spider, you know, like or a shark.
Speaker: Like you just, it's not part of our normal life, but people think it is, which is just quite amusing actually.
Speaker: So, yeah, if we could convince people, you know, that it's really okay to come here and we've survived this long.
Speaker: There's only 27 million of us here.
Speaker: And, you know, it's the land.
Speaker: Are you all Canadian or American?
Speaker: Canadian.
Speaker: Canadian, yeah.
Speaker: Well, you've got a huge country too.
Speaker: And there's parts of your country that aren't really inhabited.
Speaker: I'm assuming that's because of the bears.
Speaker: That's because there's no Wi-Fi.
Speaker: We keep our population down because of the crocodiles.
Speaker: such a silk yeah i'm i'm hoping to get to australia at some point i really want to see all the pictures i've seen all the stories i've been told beautiful place to be well look us up we'll we'll show you around we um
Speaker: We live in probably, I think, the most perfect spot.
Speaker: We've got the hinterland and we're right near where Australia Zoo is where Crikey, Steve Irwin, you know, has the zoo.
Speaker: And we're close to the capital of Brisbane, which is a beautiful city.
Speaker: And, yeah, so it's a great spot.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Talk a little bit about how having the podcast has changed the way that you look at your travel or enhanced your life a little bit or just kind of what would it have been like without it, do you think?
Speaker: Lyle tells everybody that it enhances our travel so much and it's enhanced our travel, but also our relationship.
Speaker: And we sort of fell into that.
Speaker: the roles in the podcast.
Speaker: So that's been really good for us.
Speaker: But it's enhanced our travel because, you know, I'm now making sure I'm getting the photos for our photo book, but also to go with the things we're going to talk about.
Speaker: And Lyle does a lot of research about, you know, the cities we're going to before we get there.
Speaker: So, you know, sometimes we've been somewhere and we come home, we're doing a podcast about this was in the early days and Lyle would research it and he'd say, listen to this.
Speaker: I'm like, we were there and we didn't even know that, you know.
Speaker: So it makes us be much more aware of what we're going to see.
Speaker: And even when we get home, you know, for instance, we've,
Speaker: we're just doing a podcast about Florence.
Speaker: And one of the places we went to there is called the pity palace.
Speaker: And, you know, we did a tour and we learn all this stuff, but, you know, Lyle's been doing some more research to make sure we get all the facts, right.
Speaker: Cause that's what we like to do.
Speaker: And we've learned so much more about, you know, who actually lived there and you know, the changes that I made.
Speaker: So it's really in, in, enhance that as well.
Speaker: However,
Speaker: Now we're like, well, we can't go back there because we've already done a podcast about that, so we've got to go somewhere else.
Speaker: Yeah, not because we don't want to go back.
Speaker: It's just that, you know.
Speaker: Time's limited.
Speaker: Yeah, especially for me.
Speaker: And I think that's another part of it too is that, you know, we realise that, you know, I've got a brother that's five years older than me and they've travelled all over the world.
Speaker: He worked offshore for 43 years.
Speaker: So in his job on oil rigs, he travelled everywhere.
Speaker: And he's got to the stage now where he doesn't want to travel anymore.
Speaker: Now, he's only five years older than me.
Speaker: And he's travelled all his life and he loves it.
Speaker: But he just said to me, it's just too hard now.
Speaker: So for me personally, and I'm being a bit selfish, I want to get as much into it as I can.
Speaker: But, you know, as Lan said, it's enhanced our relationship in that we've got something in common.
Speaker: We exercise a lot.
Speaker: So basically from, you know, early morning till about five o'clock, we don't really see each other when we're home because I'm doing my thing and Leanne's doing her thing.
Speaker: But when we sort of get together at five o'clock, yeah, we have a couple of glasses of wine, of course.
Speaker: Oh, you told me not to say that.
Speaker: Wine o'clock.
Speaker: But, yeah, it's
Speaker: You know, we talk about the travels.
Speaker: And as I said, you know, you're a lot more compassionate about, you know, how people do it.
Speaker: You understand cultures better.
Speaker: So what we have learned is we...
Speaker: people are reaching out now, you know, every day asking me, you know, even if it's like what, which hotel did you stay at or which area were you in or, you know, should we go here or I've just listened to your podcast on such and such and I've booked this.
Speaker: You know, we had a guy message me and say, we went to this restaurant that you, that Lyle talked about in one of your Spanish episodes.
Speaker: Well, it was actually Santander.
Speaker: It was.
Speaker: And he said, it was the absolute highlight of our trip.
Speaker: Thank you so much.
Speaker: I mean, when you get something like that, that just makes your heart sing, right?
Speaker: And if we can inspire other people, that's the other thing.
Speaker: You know, we want to stay fit, healthy, do all the stuff we need to do to travel.
Speaker: And we want to inspire other people to do the same.
Speaker: Now, not everybody wants to travel overseas.
Speaker: I understand that.
Speaker: But, you know, we could all travel a bit more even in our own backyards just to expand our minds and see something new and meet new people.
Speaker: Well, the other sort of a two, and I only just thought of it then, is the reason why we went at the restaurant in the first place is because we could speak a little bit of Spanish.
Speaker: And the guys that were on the beach, we asked them where's a good place to go and have coffee first.
Speaker: And they said, oh, just there.
Speaker: It's a Michelin star and it's great for lunch.
Speaker: So that was the reason we went.
Speaker: And we wouldn't know that apart from the fact that we can speak a bit of Spanish.
Speaker: So that helps as well.
Speaker: see see see i'm learning spanish as well um unlike you i i've fallen in love with mexico and all of my traveling and like that's the place so far that i think that i want to go back to the most but i haven't done a tour there that wasn't uh i did do my own tours all around and
Speaker: So, and that's kind of what I was gonna ask about.
Speaker: You did this kind of flying tour of Mexico.
Speaker: How long do you normally spend in a place?
Speaker: Do you decide ahead of time, like one week or two weeks or a month?
Speaker: We have found, you know, my plan was really to go and spend like a month somewhere and then do day trips.
Speaker: But what we sort of came up with is, you know, if it's a decent size sort of area and things to see around, we'll stay a week for sure.
Speaker: And that actually reduces your accommodation costs a bit too, you know,
Speaker: because you stay a week, it's cheaper, and you're not travelling as much.
Speaker: Every time you travel, you're spending money, right, you know, on transport.
Speaker: We always use public transport because we drive on the correct side of the road and we can't do it over there because everyone's on the wrong side of the road.
Speaker: It's so confusing for us people.
Speaker: So, yeah, so that's probably the, I forgot what I was talking about.
Speaker: On the wrong side of the road?
Speaker: Yeah, the wrong side of the road.
Speaker: How long do you stay?
Speaker: Pardon?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just said you were talking about how long you stay.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: So that's probably why we stay a week.
Speaker: And that gives us downtime as well.
Speaker: You know, like we don't need to be going out every day and seeing the big sights.
Speaker: You know, like we tell everybody our favourite thing to do.
Speaker: What do we say?
Speaker: We walk out the door and we say?
Speaker: Either left or right.
Speaker: Which way are we going to go today?
Speaker: off we go.
Speaker: And we've just found the most amazing places, had the best days just doing that, you know.
Speaker: And sometimes you just need, when you're travelling, we try and go away for about two months.
Speaker: at a guy and that's a long time so sometimes us girls need to you know touch up our hair or you know just have a repair and maintenance day we have repair and maintenance days you know and when and that might just be in that you just sit down and read a book in the courtyard or something that's and and that just um we and we travel like that we find that works for us and we've generally find now that there's one day that we'll work on the podcast yeah we do that
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Oh, that's a good idea.
Speaker: And then that way you're not, you're not stressing about it all the time.
Speaker: You're, you know, you've got other things you can do.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: What we've found in a lot of what I've found in a lot of the European cities is that
Speaker: Everything's so close, like in the historical places, because when they built those things, they're not the cities they are now.
Speaker: So everything's so close.
Speaker: So they're all walkable, which is, for me, I just love that.
Speaker: And you see so much more when you're walking.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker: That's a, that's a way to see anything.
Speaker: I think you can stop and go back if you think you've missed something and you, you know, if you're in a car on a bus, it's way back there before you even know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: True.
Speaker: And the other thing is we try and ask the locals, like we'll find a bar pretty much as soon as we, not, you know, that night, and talk to the locals about the places to go.
Speaker: And it's always interesting because they say, you don't want to go where the tourists go.
Speaker: That's the first thing I say.
Speaker: Well, we are tourists.
Speaker: You know.
Speaker: We find the barmen.
Speaker: Yeah, they give you the, there's one particular barman, Angelo, in Rome.
Speaker: In Rome.
Speaker: And, of course, Liam would,
Speaker: Well, it was a hot conversation because he was absolutely the typical Italian male.
Speaker: Good looking man.
Speaker: But he's probably spent an hour talking to us just about now.
Speaker: This is where you've got to go.
Speaker: Drawing maps and writing.
Speaker: So people want to help you.
Speaker: Yeah, that was going to be my next question.
Speaker: And you must run into a lot of people and chat with a lot of people.
Speaker: That's one of the best things about traveling, I think, is learning about the people who are there.
Speaker: Well, Leanne just got an email from some people we met in Nurha today, this morning.
Speaker: Yeah, we met them in Spain last year.
Speaker: They're from England.
Speaker: And, yeah, so we sort of have, not regular, but, you know, just sending me messages and commenting on where we're travelling and, you know, like how she's been inspired to go to some of the places that, you know, we talked to her about and that sort of thing.
Speaker: So, yeah, it is definitely meeting people for sure.
Speaker: So what would you like to tell the people listening to us today about your podcast, about traveling, about anything at all?
Speaker: What would you like to say?
Speaker: Oh, you know, I guess the travel part of it is, as you know, I didn't sort of mention it earlier, you know, a lot of people sort of look at us and think, you know, we've got, for instance, we've got friends that there's just no way they're going to go overseas, you know, it's just out of their sort of realm of comfortableness.
Speaker: So, you know, but at least try and go somewhere new in your backyard because, you
Speaker: it just adds to your experiences.
Speaker: You see new things, you know, even if it's just going for a, you know, a couple of hour drive.
Speaker: I mean, I'm sure, you know, in Canada, I mean, I've seen beautiful scenery, you know, like why wouldn't you want to go out and explore that?
Speaker: Well, with our podcast, you know, like we're 62 episodes in.
Speaker: So we've been doing, you know, that's 62 different travel, you know, places.
Speaker: And there's always some fun stories in there and,
Speaker: You know, we've got podcasts from, you know, Mexico, you know, Spain and Italy, London, Paris and all around Australia as well and then next will be New Zealand.
Speaker: So there's something for everybody there.
Speaker: Yeah, we'd love to hear from your listeners and if they want, you know, some suggestions about even starting their own, even if it's for themselves, you know, like it's such a fun way to record your travels.
Speaker: It's great.
Speaker: And Lan always wanted to be the coolest nana.
Speaker: So by travelling overseas, she can show off to the grandchildren.
Speaker: At least one of the idle people I am.
Speaker: For sure, the coolest nana.
Speaker: You travel all over.
Speaker: You have a podcast.
Speaker: You're famous.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think just about every conversation Lyle and I have starts with, I was listening to this podcast.
Speaker: We're just huge podcast listeners as well.
Speaker: So if you're not, you know, you've got to tell people to listen to podcasts.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I generally listen to history once.
Speaker: And so that's just enhanced my love of history.
Speaker: So when you go to these countries and you've heard other people podcast about the history of it,
Speaker: You really do sense, you know, it just becomes almost surreal to be there.
Speaker: And I think one other benefit of doing the podcast is, and it doesn't have to be a travel podcast, but the things that you learn, you know, like the technical side and, you know, as you know, that it can be frustrating and, you know,
Speaker: You know, just getting it all together and getting it published.
Speaker: And then, you know, we've got a website that goes with it.
Speaker: So making sure you've got the show notes and blog posts there.
Speaker: And then, okay, I've got to promote it on the social media, you know, on the line.
Speaker: So you've got to get on.
Speaker: You've got to try and keep up with those sort of trends as well if you're into that sort of thing.
Speaker: So it's staying current with what's happening and I find that's good because my children are into business and working and they sort of use those sort of mediums.
Speaker: So it's nice that we can share that sort of stuff with them as well.
Speaker: And I think for me too, and I was talking to a guy yesterday, a really close mate of mine yesterday, and I said,
Speaker: The thing I love about travel and just being, not being normal, not being in a box, like whether it be we're going snow skiing, you know, in two weeks time, you know, I'm,
Speaker: Well, I'm 68 in September.
Speaker: And I'll give Leanne's boys, and they're in their 30s, I'll give them a run for the money on the ski slopes.
Speaker: You know, we went and got our tickets, our scuba diving tickets, because we did a holiday on the Great Barrier Reef.
Speaker: And Leanne loved it that much.
Speaker: We went back and did a five-day ticket, you know, our ticket, you know,
Speaker: helicopter flights uh leanne's been learning spanish for years and years years i've probably been learning now for three years so i started when i was 65 so there's no reason you have to stop you know you can enjoy it as long as you you've got to keep healthy that's the thing and that's a that's a bit of a lottery really at at my age anyway
Speaker: But while I can still do it, we were in Italy for eight weeks.
Speaker: I said to Leanne in the Rome airport, I said, I could do another eight weeks.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: And Leanne says, no, there's grandkids.
Speaker: And we get on.
Speaker: So that's it.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: There's best for your grandkids.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: One day they'll be a bit older teenagers and they'll be like, oh, Nana.
Speaker: And then I'm like, okay, well, screw you.
Speaker: I'm going to Italy.
Speaker: Well, I think it'll be Spain.
Speaker: maybe somewhere else croatia portugal lots of places 259 or something like that how many places in the world different countries lots of places yeah we won't we won't get to all of them and i that's okay we you know we we'd rather like rissa said we just had eight weeks in italy for us
Speaker: We now know Italy, right?
Speaker: So we had friends that we met up with and they'd been to 16 countries in 18 days and they couldn't even remember where they'd been.
Speaker: That's not the way we... That's not traveling, really.
Speaker: I mean, that's just buzzing around the world.
Speaker: That's not actually learning or anything.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, your website is beachtravelwine.com, right?
Speaker: beachtravelwine.com.
Speaker: I know you.
Speaker: No, it's not.
Speaker: Oh, is it?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: I'll make sure that that goes in the show notes.
Speaker: And I think everybody should check it all out because your podcast is there and your photos and everything is so beautiful.
Speaker: You've got, you've done a lot of traveling.
Speaker: You've done a lot of beautiful chronology of your travels.
Speaker: Yeah, there is, there is a lot there.
Speaker: And if anyone's got any questions about where we've been, please.
Speaker: send us a message, there's email addresses or the social media at Beach Travel Wine.
Speaker: Yeah, like so happy to help with any questions.
Speaker: Great.
Speaker: Well, it's been lovely talking with both of you.
Speaker: Thank you so much for reaching out to me.
Speaker: And I'm really, really happy to get to know you even electronically.
Speaker: Virtually.
Speaker: It's been great.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, you know, we're definitely coming to Canada one day and you're coming out here, so let's hope we can catch up.
Speaker: Or we'll catch up on Spain.
Speaker: That's it.
Speaker: See.
Speaker: Thank you very much.
Speaker: Thanks, Jackie.
Speaker: Adios.
Speaker: It's a pleasure.
Speaker: Adios.
Speaker: And that's it for this episode of Beyond Retirement.
Speaker: Thank you so much for hanging out with me.
Speaker: I hope you enjoyed it.
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