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ATFP Throwback - Barrel-Aged Champurrado Krampus 2021 (feat. Trevor, Tim and Matthew)
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On this edition of the "After The Final Pour Throwback", we're joined by Trevor Rose-Hamblin, Timothy Broyles, and Matthew Moldenhauer from Old Irving Brewing Co.. On this special forgotten ATFP, we see if the guys can guess what beer we poured for them and learn the haunted history of their Krampus Cookies Barrel-Aged Stout.
Thanks to Kevin and Deb Goggin for the theme song.
Outro music by Fluid Minds
Check out all our episodes at www.themaltinghour.com
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts
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When life gives you an empty cup
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Speaker
Welcome After the Final Pour, brought to you by the Malting Hour. It's been a long time since I did that, did it is that how it starts? Yeah. Welcome to After the Final Pour, brought you to you by the Malting Hour. I'm one of your hosts, Tony Golick, joined always with... Brandon Winninger. And to my left... Trevor Rose Hamblin. And to his left... Brought to you by Old Irvin Brewing. Dude, don't do that.
00:01:03
Speaker
What? Oh, sorry, Matthew Moldauer. And to his left... Timothy Broyles. Timmy, you're my favorite, just so you know. Why,
Reflecting on Krampus Episode Streak
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thank you. Makes sense. We just finished up the 2025 Krampus episode. Four years and row? i think is' what we said That's what we said. And we decided to try something else, and you guys don't
Mystery Beer Tasting
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know what this is. Brandon and I know where it is. I think I figured it out. Okay, well. Let's start with Tim.
00:01:31
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I would say last year's Ciamparano. Interesting, interesting. Matthew? haven't had enough time with it yet. Okay, well. And it's not Ciamparano. Talk to it and get to know it. Yeah.
00:01:45
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was like there's a little bit of coffee notes going on and it's too thin, way too thin to be Krampus. Trevor, what do you think?
00:01:56
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I'm between two things. Between two ferns? Is it two ferns? No. I like Tim's assertion. I'm going to say Abraxas because I feel like this year we chased Abraxas little bit. I'm adding the coffee. It does, on the nose, remind me very much of Chomperato.
00:02:13
Speaker
Krampus. I know what it is. i do get coffee i do get coffee too like i don't know if it has coffee though it's not assertive enough to tell me coffee though you right it doesn't i think i think it's the roastiness from the malt there and it and it smells a bit older but as it opens up it gets a little bit fruitier it's like me yeah guess a little bit i open up and i get a little fruit actually the more it opens up the more i'm thinking it's shopperado
00:02:44
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I could be very wrong. It's an interesting assessment. I'm still running on Champerado. Okay. You were saying last year? I think it's older than that. i might Yeah, I'm hedging my bets on the year.
00:02:57
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But I definitely think of Champerado. I'm going with the Prairie bombm pray o a bad game. like where your head's at. yeah I'm going to keep Ciamparato, but I cannot pinpoint the year. It's a little too round for what we usually do.
00:03:14
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It's little... It's not... I don't know. I could be completely... I think it's an older Ciamparato that's mellowed out. That's kind of where I was at. All right, so I'll tell you this.
Revealing and Discussing the Mystery Beer
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It is a Ciamparato. Okay, great. It is. Now, can you... i know you guys said you can't pinpoint it but I'm interested to see, like, just take a stab in the dark. I'm going to say...
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well this is ah couple years older cause i was like The body is much thinner than where we are now. But there was one year that it was a little bit more chocolatey, little bit more round. And what year was that? think it was 21. That's what I was thinking too, was actually 21. Matthew, do you have a guess on it?
00:03:52
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Nope. Brandon, why don't you show them what what the beer is? I was also thinking 21. You guys would be pleasantly surprised. It's very interesting. You guys don't shit about anything.
00:04:04
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Just to the fact that it is 2021. Goddamn. That is actually super fucking impressive. Holy shit. I remember that year because loved year. That was the year of roundness in Krampus. And yeah, it very much reminds me that. I get more spice on this. Did I just fucking guess that shit, by the way? That's awesome. And you agreed. No, I was definitely on 21 as well. I was just like, it was way too thin because nowadays, the last couple of years, we've been so thick. I mean, we've lived with these beers as long as we have. I hope that we knew them. Also, this held up super well. Yeah, right? Shout out to my aging world. Can you tell people where you're aging it? What's the temperature? In my basement that sits at around like 65 68 degrees.
00:04:55
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Sometimes cooler than that. We've got like 200 beers. Yeah, and I mean the fact that it held up in that kind of room. R.I.P. the beautiful Black Lids. Oh yeah, those were great. love the Black Lids. 48k and 10 grand seal. No, that's because RIP, these were good ones. Yeah, those were good ones. They changed the method and therefore they're no longer, they're painted now, not plated. yeah The black watchers should work anymore. i Although I will say, the they worked wonderfully. they work that the The gold lids on top do kind of like pretty fucking rad. Yeah. All right.
Krampus Design Inspiration
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So I'm pretty sure the reason that we did this was to tell horror stories because we're pretty sure Krampus is haunted and that's just the truth. Which is why Krampus gets closer and closer to you every year. yes and I think we've actually you've talked about that previous year. It's like a growing label. Which is super fucking cool. to make We make the character better. can't wait for it to just be Krampus' forehead. just want to see his dick.
00:05:56
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full Like a weirdo. That's when you know it's an after the final porn. Weird pubie horns. Did you say pubie horns? Yeah. By the way, if you look at it, it actually looks exactly the opposite of a penis. It looks more like a uterus. Correctamundo. Yeah. And actually, that's one of my favorite things about it. Because you're saying women are evil? That's not what I see. Okay. Well, thanks, man. That's definitely not what I'm saying. Also, jizz. Jizz.
00:06:27
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All life is sun and women. That's all that we need to know. Anyway. Inges. Okay. So, i don't even know where the thought I was going. Horror stories of the Krabin story. Before we go into the horror stories, I want to go into the background of the face because I don't think you talked about it.
00:06:45
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Sorry. sorry I'm sorry. I'm sorry. that was Everyone is five. It's fine. You guys are all five.
Challenges in Krampus Production
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um Krampus emerging from the darkness was something that Tim and I talked about early on. And back when I was younger, I used to do, I don't know when it started. I think it was like, you know, ah the Rammstein album, Sinsucht?
00:07:05
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The very first one they put out with Du haste on it. If you open up, and this is how old I am because I am 41, you open up the CD and you would... I know. And then you open up the CD packet and then there was all the different faces. They were top lit and some of them had like a spatula in their mouth. They had all these weird things. I started taking black paper and I would take white chalk and I would do kind of this exposure where it was faces emerging out of darkness like the Rammstein album. and i have a whole binder at home full of these faces and i told uh tim when we first started doing it was like i want sort of like one of these things i used to do but like krampus but coming out of the dark at you and he's like got it and he came up with this got it got it absolutely republicans are demons but uh but then like yes that's exactly what i was
00:07:58
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So, uh, so this was Krampus emerging out of darkness and I still love it to this day. It was one of those perfect things that kind of explains, uh, one of my relationships in the business, which is mine and Tim's over the years. Very easy for us to work together. yeah tim i have an idea on it and he jump up with it i'm like cool And then we took a couple things and then we're like on to the next. and and So it makes it efficient team and it could be, it used to be just you and I, but now it's like me, you, Matthew, fucking the whole team. Wait, wait, you are fucking the whole team? That's the intro for the last episode. We are indeed, yes. Why do you think we have very little turnover, girl? i mean, we turn over a lot. There's a lot of turnover. Oh my, I'm the five year old?
00:08:44
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Anywho. So... Anywho. This is getting... Five-year-olds are not turning over. He left. Brandon left. Now we can all be honest about our feelings. Well, the cool thing is that some people just want to go into a closet. We lost our audio engineer.
00:09:01
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right we're not clipping So anyway, ah every every year we have ah an issue with Krampus. It doesn't matter what it is. and And Matthew, because he is the type A that OIB absolutely needs.
00:09:11
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Matthew, I love you so much. You are the type A person that makes sure that the wheels go round and that things get done. And you are set with so many obstacles with all of us. Fucking weirdos, creatives, and just kind of assholes sometimes. We're like, let's throw down a fucking rumble strip for Matthew, see how he handles it. And let's be nice to have that version of Matthew. He... No, but Matthew does make the whole thing roll. And this year, this year he he really did plan. He's like, I know things go wrong with Krampus every year. So I'm going to have a whole ass week to this year. And we're like, cool. And then there was like one week where nothing happened because the beer, a lot of things happened. So we had the total amount we brewed at Walnut. And we put them into barrels. First of all, we still it was cursed from the beginning, just so you know, because the original brew didn't attenuate the way we wanted to. We were weren't using the right water to grist ratios.
00:10:08
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And so the first versions were too sweet and not as alcoholic as would we needed. So one third of the total beer produced ended up being a higher attenuating beer, which means it was...
00:10:20
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You know, very high in alcohol 18% and we blended it with a hole we made a good product to put into the barrels and got the barrels great Barrels are aging and I told you guys earlier about the intense heat intense cold that was happening and me just kind of Quietly freaking out all year looking at these barrels every time I came in to see these guys I'm gonna go my god these fucking barrel. This is we trash it's gonna be trash and um And then finally we tasted them. Wasn't trashed, thank God. ah Took them all out. I brought barrels in a U-Haul down from Montrose to Walnut to blend into the hole. We made one big tank of blended Krampus. So we've got this beautiful, you know, a base that we're ready to fucking package. Let's go.
Creative Brewing Solutions
00:11:06
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And so we bring in we bring in a couple other barrels for Melange. We get that going. There was problems with that. One of our of our hoses was pinched. But then we come to find out that where the jackets are in these tanks is super high compared to where the amount of liquid is that we're bringing into the tanks. And that was giving us the most problems. The Yeah, because cool the tank, but ah if you don't reach above a certain point, it's not going to cool the liquid below. yeah It's kind of like, you know, ice freezes on top and you've got a bunch of liquid below in a lake.
00:11:43
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Same deal. So, and our thermometers, our thermal wells weren't working correctly, so we thought the beer would be cold enough to package. It wasn't. So, there was a couple of ideas that we had and I was like, well, we could, well, somebody was like, we could put them back into barrels, put them on a U-Haul, take them back to Montrose, un-barrel them again. could keg them, put them into kegs, un-keg them at the pub. Wow. and there was a lot of shitty like ideas uh that were the best possible solutions at those times yeah they're shitty ideas only because only because they were i'm not i'm not saying they were the best i'm not saying i'm not saying the ideas sucked i'm saying they sucked because it was going to situation yeah the situation was going to awful Then I was like sitting there and I was like alright Goose Island is right down the street these guys have tanks on tanks on tanks I could either buy a tank from them and haul it down and we could put it in the brewery and hook it all up and we could start infusing a stink or maybe they have something different and Sure should I call it Mike Siegel from Goose Island and said I'm in a pickle and
00:12:50
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And he goes, what kind of pickle? Well, this one's extra briny, friend. And i told him the whole thing. And he said. you say extra briny? Extra briny. Pickle. And he he he said, yeah i think I have two options for you. One is more permanent.
00:13:06
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And one is more right now. Do you want a permanent solution? Or would you like something that'll get you through Krampus right now? I said, I think the latter. And so he had this tank that had been used as a stainless steel tank. Very, very light that they were keeping in their barrel warehouse and never used before, but had an attachment on that a spray ball so we could do CIP and everything like that. And I was like, let's put it in my truck. CIP is a clean in place. in place That is to allow us to sanitize the tank and get it fully clean and fully you know health code all that good stuff fun stuff make sure that the beer doesn't get infected yeah yeah so I was like okay this could work and so had to check the weight limit on the back of my truck make sure and do some math and then we basically took this thing i had like four ratchet straps that ratchet it down holy shit and there's a one and a half tri-clant fitting on it And had the guys down at Walnut passivate, which means you use like a very, very acidic chemical to fill in any kind of gaps, scratches on the inside that might be holding any kind of bacteria. And then do two CIPs on it, which means both caustic and acid rinses. And then we were like, okay, here we go. So I strapped it back one truck in at five barrels at a time. i was taking this from, yeah, I was taking this from um Walnut to Montrose. And it was 30 individual trips. Holy shit. 15 round trips. And that doesn't include the stuff that we had to do after that. Because there was a few more after that for other things that we had to do. Break it, sweetie. So basically... i would i would pull i back the truck up into walnut and i would reverse all the way into the brewery and Cole or Tim would be there with a block and bleed in our hose from the tank hook it up, bleed up the top, fill it up, holy shit unplug it and then I would go down Montrose and I would pull
00:15:06
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back up in the in the brewery would go to the big uh door which is not a very big door at all to the back of montrose and max would be there with his hose to hook it up home with the ingredients for all the infusions in the tank already so like when we did any of these infused beers whether it was chomperado krampus or coconut I would have already had to have prepared the products with the team, make sure all the products are ready, make sure they have them bagged, call them, be like, all right, going to start moving liquid and then bring liquid. It took us. even Even better, some of the times when he was at Walnut, we were actually canning during that. So someone would have to peel off the canning line to go help load beer into there while we're canning other beer. Yeah.
00:15:52
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So this year was a goddamn nightmare. And of course, Matthew Pat like made sure everything was set up for us and it still fucked up and took another week off production. it's and it was And we, like, again, year after year, barely slide under the door. No matter how much we prepare, something fucks us. we got But I would like to point out that we always make it fucking work. We got the two beers that need to be done for competition, done in time. yep And then we got the last three done Krampus beer dinner which the last one was done the day of the Krampus beer dinner alright you ready for some ass kissin'
00:16:30
Speaker
That is absolutely insane. To hear all of that, what goes into... like You think about like what people don't know, like just in general, barrel aging beers itself is stressful because you don't know what you're going up with. You're investing, as a company, as as your livelihood, basically, investing all this money into...
00:16:51
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I hope we made the right decision. Yeah, because honestly, at the end of the day, we could open that thing up a year later and go, well, that's fucking garbage. But then to put everything that you guys, that that Trevor, you just described and talked about, that's fucking insane.
00:17:06
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And the fact that you guys ended up with this out of all of that just goes to show... I'll be honest, what what impressed the me about our team the most is how quickly we were able to pivot and immediately react to the problems that we had in sort of and just go...
00:17:24
Speaker
Okay, this sucks, but all right, let's do this. As someone who works at a job that lacks leadership, I will say you guys have great leadership where everybody else also is just like, we're ready, let's do this. Yes, go on. I think that's a huge thing is that we, sorry, oh no you but we all we all have the same goal, yeah obviously. Like all of us. That's what I'm trying to stress. At the end of the day, we're a small team. There's like what, eight of us? and we can And we all have the same goal. where ah We all want to make the best product that we yeah can possibly do. And we're going to do whatever the fuck we can to make it that happen. You guys love it. Also, it's your livelihood. Correct. At the end of the day, you're putting passion into what you're making. ye But also, that's how you live. That's how you survive.
Collaboration and Leadership
00:18:07
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It's in our game. Like, we all have that, like, does this suck? Of course it does. yes
00:18:13
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But... gotta make it happen and we're gonna make it happen and the cool thing is that it sucks together you know yeah we're all kind of of we're all kind of looking at each other like you're doing your part you're doing your part you're doing your part you're doing your part we're all fucking doing it let's get it done yeah there's no idea and so this leads to when you were talking about canning there was a different point that I was on the canning line helping with Beezer when this was happening Nate came in and helped on the canning line are a guy, Chris Williams, who deals with all the data. He's been on the canning line multiple times. Who's on a cane who literally will sit... He literally has to have a chair.
00:18:48
Speaker
like that's yeah it's It's pretty amazing to hear all of that, to know... That the episode before this that you should listen to. Yes, you should. um The final, like the end of it is what we just drank through. that's fucking awesome. Yeah. And kind of a funny, and I guess I'm not thinking about it until right now, a funny like parallel that that seems to exist.
00:19:14
Speaker
Between us and Goose Island. And I... It just... You can't help but notice these common pieces. i don't know if you guys know this, but at one point, Goose Island had 1800 West Walnut, which is our space. That was their barrel aging space, right? have 1800 West Fulton. Yes. Which was their production space. And they had 1800... Whatever street they were on there. Clark, I think. ah What is it?
00:19:44
Speaker
The one they closed? No, the brewpub. Yeah, the one they closed. Yeah, Clybourne. Clybourne, thank you. And it was CL. And that was 1800 Clybourne. didn't realize that. I didn't realize that. I did not know that. It was actually three of the same exact numbers. Why haven't they done a fun beer with that? Right.
00:20:02
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Can't even explain to you why not. but We'll do it instead. We'll do it instead. but then And then on top of that, we're making this barrel-aged beer out of an old barrel-aged program that they do. And now people don't realize that all the beer that's brewed at Goose Island near us at Fulton & Wood... is tankered to their uh to uh uh uh sacramento uh to their uh the barrel so bar house not the city the yeah yeah the barrel house is and if anybody they tinker the barrel it's literally a semi with a tinker on the back that has a cip ball and they clean that it looks like a fuel tank and they literally know they purge it and then they put
00:20:43
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bourbon county into it and then they tinker it down the street to their barrel warehouse goes out from there into breaks and then from there into barrels and they still barrels there i feel like at some point they may have posted that somewhere on social media they don't talk enough about it because it's an amazing feat it's really cool it's insane and we were just doing that on a must smaller version. In the back of my truck. It really is. But it was the adventures of Trevor and Tank. Yeah. If you watch my stories at the time, it was like me and Tank hanging in the back of my truck, and we were like, oh, me and Tank are such good friends. Tank's not scary at all when someone cuts you off in traffic and all a sudden your whole fucking truck skips ahead three steps because people in Chicago don't know how to use their turn signals. God forbid it rains. We did have fun. I was actually the only person that rode in the truck at the very last Tank run. That's right. Was with me. to have you there. So it was The Adventures of Trevor and Tank and Tim. Tim felt it. Tim felt it. I did. I was like, every stop, bro. Yeah, because you feel that slosh of five barrels, which is... Waiting for it to fall in the... 31 gallons per barrel. It's a Chevy Colorado. 150 gallons of beer.
00:21:59
Speaker
want to read this comic book. I want to read this comic book. This comic strip. It's me and Tick. I do want to say, was it... you say your contact was Mike Siegel? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's a creative director. Mike is the senior manager of innovation or whatever. But Mike has been the guy that we connect with every time we're at Kus Island. He's super friendly. Such a good guy. Oh, he's phenomenal. I mean, everyone over there is phenomenal. Yeah. But I do have my beer heroes. Except for Will Robinson, who left our team and now works for us. He's a real piece of shit. Nobody likes you anyway, friend-ditcher. Anyway. No, we
Gratitude and Perseverance
00:22:38
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love Will. But no, I definitely have my little beer heroes, and it's so cool that I get to talk to these cats who are like, fucking badass beer people. Yeah. You're like, I have this problem. They're like, hey.
00:22:50
Speaker
I got you. a guy He's going to talk to me. It's so cool. And still to this day, like you' years later, I'm only fanning myself. let Stop it. You know what's funny? ah That's how I feel. Shut the fuck I'm serious, man. It's so fucking cool guys come here and hang out and talk with us.
00:23:05
Speaker
It's great. It's awesome. we We're not yours, Tyler. We're not there we're all those guys. No, but we love you guys. And it's awesome. That's why you get to talk with me. Yeah. Great. Nobody can see my face because a podcast. That's why you're forced to talk. It is heavy face. It's wonderful. You know, the visual is wonderful for the audio. To make sure that all these psychopaths stay in line. Matthew is the guy is the guy. Matthew is trying to make us greater. All of us. ah Day by day. He will do great.
00:23:32
Speaker
That's fantastic. I'm pretty sure I have a therapy session on Thursday. That's good. I will say this, that was awesome. I'm glad we got to hear the madness that happened. Yeah, I wanted to show you. It was very good. I don't remember which one guys brought it up, but I think Tim said, we didn't talk about Tank. And I was like, oh yeah, this year was fucked up. But every year it's fucked up. That's what makes Krampus. Yeah, but this year was wildly fucked up. But again, we still end up...
00:23:57
Speaker
doing it I don't know why it happens. like We're like kind of like cheering on a guy who beats the fuck out of children with reeds and puts them in a sack. some reason, every year, we have a cursed project. I got to play Krampus last night, and I kind of get it. Yeah, you were powerful as shit. He was just pointing across the room at Nate with all his prizes, and people would be like, what do we do? And he just kept pointing. And I was like, holy shit. I would keep on going up to people, and I couldn't really speak through the math, so I'd just go,
00:24:28
Speaker
be pretty good. I will say the one thing that makes a difference, when Krampus sucks every year, the big difference is what Trevor said earlier, which is we literally are all in it together.
00:24:42
Speaker
And it makes a big difference when every single person is in the mix. it You can't complain as much, like realistically. You're like, oh, well, we all this sucks for all of us. Yeah.
00:24:56
Speaker
And like I said, I do. Misery loves company. It says a lot about yeah know you guys and what Old Irving has been and become over the years. And it shows with what you guys put out. And it's it's awesome to see, like, they keep to peek behind the curtain and everything. Obviously, we're all friends. but like Oh, of course. We love you guys. And it's great. And also, this episode is brought to you by Irving Brewing.
00:25:18
Speaker
Keep giving us those. I don't dont want i don't like the cherry mash. you are the church Get it away from my face. you love it Trevor, Matthew, Tim, thank you again. Thank you so very much. This is probably ending out the year Maybe we'll do Maltese. I don't know what the fuck we're doing anymore. I'm just putting some shit out of here. But thank you guys. We'll do Maltese. They'll be Maltese. It might be in January. um But thank you guys so much for the Krampus episode and this. We love you guys and we look forward to this every year. Brandon, I love you, man. Love you too, man. And see everybody next time. Okay.
00:25:50
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Love ya.
00:25:55
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Peace.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:25:56
Speaker
This has been the Malting Hour with your hosts, Brandon, Tony, and Matthew. Be sure to follow us on all social medias and like, subscribe, and rate the show. If you have questions or suggestions for future episodes, drop us a line at info at themaltinghour.com.
00:26:11
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Until next time, cheers.
00:26:29
Speaker
We got all of those at the end. we Good job, everybody. Dude, that was so cool to hear. yeah it was cause Matthew did tell me a little bit about that, i think. yeah Was that when I came by for the Packers? The shitty Packers game? I kind of forgot about this. I will honestly say this is a little bit traumatizing.
00:26:51
Speaker
like i'm not joking a little bit the kind of eating bits it' tap recording are you