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Speaker: Hello Pandalorians and welcome to the best of Season 6. In this episode, I'm joined by the amazing Martin McAllister, where we celebrate reaching 100 ,000 plays by looking back on what we've done in the show so far, from our streaming era to our in -person episodes.
Speaker: This is one best -of episode you won't want to miss. Welcome to Chatsanami, a Scottish variety podcast that discusses topics from gaming and films to anime in general interest. Join me, your host, Satsanami, as well as the rest of our Chatsanami team for our takes on these very important pop culture topics. Sir, it's clearly a trap. I accept your bait! that happens three times in the film like every time that general goes don't do this one thing he goes Do you know what I'ma do? A zigzag.
Speaker: It doesn't work. She had the pointy teeth. What was that about? She looked like Bilbo when he wants the ring back. She turned into... I just want the lightsaber one more time. Parasite says, no, you will get back into your office and work. No, says the man in Zoom. Trousers are for the working man.
Speaker: You're bursting into your hotel room. Honey, we need to go. Leave the kids. You can milk an oddish. Oh!
Speaker: That's the worst thing you've ever said on any of the episodes. If that sounds like your cup of tea, then you can check us out at our website, chattsanami .com, as well as all good podcast apps. As always, stay safe, stay awesome, and most importantly, stay hydrated. Stay classy. This has been Chattsanami. I'm sorry.
Speaker: Hello everybody and welcome to this very special episode of Shadtsunami. My name's Shadtsunami and joining me after 100 ,000 plays, I cannot believe I'm saying that, is none other than the one and only co -host extraordinaire, it is Martin McAllister. Martin, welcome back. Thank you, thanks for having me. You must be yeah so excited to hit 100 ,000 that you just called me a co -host. I've been graduated. of ah
Speaker: i've finally been promoted you know i'm probably going to talk about this later but you know obviously we're friends okay thanks for clarifying i'm saying that for legal reasons so you don't walk out or like you get a google doc up off me after this yeah no satsunami it was terrible long hours recording i think of you more like a colleague nowadays That's why we don't do them in person anymore. That's why I'm not allowed to sit in your car and talk about Godzilla. No, I mean, that was that and the police didn't put an end to that. I mean, that is true. But legal troubles aside, that's what the Red Panda Lawyer is for, of course. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing really good. I am super excited to chat about this. We'll get into it, but, you know, super proud of you and super proud of what you accomplished with hitting 100 ,000 plays, downloads on the podcast. So I can't wait to chat about it. It's been a wee while since we've done one of these routes. yeah because i'm trying to remember the last milestone i think it must have been 60 or 70 000 maybe and then we kind of just gave up on them like yeah yeah it's fine because last year well i say last year it was last year but a couple of months ago we had the five -year anniversary special which was absolutely wild i traveled to china for god's sake I mean, not for that episode. I was going there anyway. The budget has gone unbelievable. That's where it all went. Yeah, if Andrew listens to this episode, just tell him. We've not got a budget. Keep it on the journal. Yeah, we all went to flights anyway. Oh yeah, clearly. But yeah, so my partner and I, we went to China and I thought, you know what? It'd be really cool if we did the five -year anniversary special there. And as you said, you, me and Andrew, we've done a number of special episodes, whether it be for a particular milestone, like the 100 and whatever episode. Because I think the first one Adam and I did, we did one for the 50th episode. And then I think we did one for the 100th episode. And then it kind of just rotated between you all. It's honestly been... absolutely surreal to look at the numbers go up and up over the years and yeah this is year five of the podcast out of curiosity and i'm not putting you on the spot here to say did you think we would get this far genuinely how do you feel after all this time i think it's amazing you know all credit to you not any credit to me because i just turn up and talk rubbish and you keep inviting me back you're the one that has to you know promote it and edit it and brand it and everything that gets done so did i think we would make it this far I mean, I was pretty confident I could make it this far because I don't do anything. But as for yourself, man, it's hard to remember. But starting out, it was a very different Satsunami behind the microphone, a very different person and a very different product you were putting out at the time. So I don't know. I don't think we would get this far. at the time, but I didn't really know where it was going to go. And if you know what I mean, what it was originally was not what it's ended up being today. No, you're completely right. Because usually this might be the moment where I'm like, what? No, I've always been like this on the podcast. If you listen to season one, by the way, you're completely right. It is like a different person. It actually shocks me when I listen back to them because it's like, hello, welcome. I'm Satsunami. Please listen to my podcast. Sorry for taking up too much of your time, but if you wouldn't mind. Whereas now I'm... like listen you I'm in your house listen and you might have a biscuit left by the end of it but honestly it has been an absolutely fantastic journey because I mean and we will go into depth about it throughout this episode but I mean we've done in -person episodes we've been doing the majority of them on Zencaster and online of course there's been a whole host of guests co -hosts that kind of thing when I say co -hosts there's only been like three major wants to be honest i mean it's you adam and andrew of course but yeah we have cycled through over the years and that is just it's been absolutely fantastic to see how the podcast is growing how i think and i don't want to sound big -headed here but i think there are genuinely people who have started to notice the podcast a lot more nowadays as opposed to when it started out and people went oh that's a cute red panda whereas now they go oh that's the red panda from chat tsunami have you noticed that out of curiosity oh 100 % I mean I told you the story and this was a few months ago now I don't think I mentioned it at the time on the podcast but I told you the story of when I did Fan Frontier last time and one of the people there mentioned they'd listened to your show oh yeah in the lead up to the Fan Frontier they'd been playing it in the office and stuff and you were like mortified you were like You're completely embarrassed. Me and someone else have been fanboying out about it. Yeah, that was like a completely unprompted one as well, you know, and it was just someone was chatting to me about how they'd listened to me on that podcast. It wasn't like I was like, oh, have you heard of this? You know, I mean, it was just completely out of the blue. Someone had said it to me. I was like, that's when you know there's an extra level to that, you know. That's not the first time that's happened, would you believe? Well, I mean, playing it in public, yeah, that is probably the first time, but there's been two instances where people have decided to listen to the podcast and they've told me about it. One of them was my very good friend, Robotic Battletoaster. He, of course, named himself that. It's not his parents. Mr. Robotic Battletoaster is my dad's name. Please call me Toaster. But I remember when we first started talking, absolutely lovely chap. I mean, you've met him, of course, through our On Hiatus podcast, the Stop, Drop and Roll Initiative D &D podcast. But he was saying how he started listening to Chatsanami while he was doing work around the house. And I was like, oh, that's amazing. Fantastic. I can't wait to hear what you think about it. What episode are you listening to? It was like episode one, season one. I was like, no. Don't do it. Interstellar moment. You know, I keep making that joke. I'm lagging the screen going, no, don't do it. And it was the same as well with another amazing person and Patreon, of course, of this podcast, Cryptic1991, who said that he was going to play them on his stream. And I was like, oh, that's amazing. Thank you. And then I went to listen to them. And of course, same thing. It was season one. And I was like, oh, no. I mean, if people enjoy season one, honestly, more power to you. I think it's one of those, you know, when you listen to your early work, and I'm sure you'll be the same with wrestling as well, you know, you look at your early stuff and you think you've gotten so much better since when you began. Yeah, 100%. You know, you learn, you live and you learn. If you get better at your stuff and everything you did once before seems so much worse in comparison, even though it's perfectly good. Because I have to say, and this is something that you and I were talking about before we came on tonight, but I feel as if nowadays, because it's been over five years now since we started the podcast. And I feel as if it is getting a lot harder to get noticed. We are very lucky that, although Chatsanami might not be famous, famous, at least we've managed to get our hooks into the indie community, as it were, so that people say, oh, right, that's Chatsanami. But I feel as if, see, if we decided, oh, we're going to start a podcast without any recognition, without talking to anyone, would you say it'd be a lot harder nowadays? Oh, definitely. I think between, you know, we were talking about different social medias being different, harder to use. Certainly my main social media is Instagram and the algorithm's totally changed and how that works. Not saying you couldn't do it. Obviously people have made themselves big, but it's a totally different game now compared to what we had to do at first. And then I think as well, a lot of the world's turned against podcasts in a way. People know what I'm talking about. The public image of it has been poisoned a lot over the last few years. And I think being established is fine, but then trying to introduce a new podcast must be even more difficult now than it was then. Because not to go too deep into it. Shout out to Louis Theroux, by the way, for that documentary. we're both thinking the same thing that's good yeah i watched that the other day it's as good as it is horrifying you know but you're completely right it's those types of creators and i use that so loosely that again you know i'm not going to name specific ones because they don't deserve the attention but you know that way it's all the controversial takes and they all kind of read off the same hymn sheet as it were and you're like you're completely right when you're looking at podcasts nowadays you're either going to think of big celebrity ones or the big controversial ones it's a wee bit like twitch streaming in a way i suppose because that was my perception going into it because as many long -term listeners and of course you'll know very very well as well was that when i started the podcast it was supposed to be a side project from streaming during the 2020 lockdowns and i thought yeah this isn't going anywhere that will just be like a side thing i'm gonna grow my brand on twitch and then i got a bit disillusioned and i thought you know what maybe I should put more effort into the podcast. And I can totally see why the perception of podcasting has been tainted by more prolific figures, isn't it? Yeah, and it's more prolific figures and people are doing it badly as well. Prolific people are doing it badly. They should too. Yeah, I think that's also tainted a lot of it. Yeah, you're totally right. It's the same as Twitch. It's the same as any of these kind of things. It's difficult to be a positive influence in these kind of spaces. This is something that I half joke, half vent to you about all the time where you get certain podcasts that... refuse to edit themselves or they'll say things like i want to be a raw podcast that i don't filter anything it's just the real me and then you listen to it and it's like five minutes of static noise mouth noises this could have been an email this podcast could have been an email a phenomenal insult Well, it's true, though. You just sit there and you're like, what were you trying to achieve here, to be honest? But that's the thing, though. It's like with Chatsunami, I'm going to be honest, I did not know what I wanted to do with it, to be honest. And to be fair, technically, I still don't know. But I like to think of it as a casual conversation with friends and other people to talk about interests from, as I always say, this is my elevator pitch. If you like Chatsunami, it's a discussion about topics from gaming and films to anime and general interest. We've got interviews. We've had in -person episodes. We've had so many variations since its inception, haven't we? 100%. There's been so many different versions and so many different themes. So theming, I guess, not themes as in like themed ones, but themes as in types of episodes and types of recording and different sort of, I don't know what the word I'm looking for, genre? I don't know if that's the correct word. Yeah, it's been a whole mix of stuff, but I think that's partially what keeps you sane in my writing scene. Well, it gives me structure and keeps me off the streets. A moment, the longevity of you're not stuck in one little place. Because, and I've said this before, and it's especially the case with streaming, but I feel as if there's pros and cons to being a variety content creator. Because see, if you have one niche, let's say you discuss platformer video games, and I'm not just saying that because I've got a statue of Sonic in front of me. You know, you want to talk about platformers all the time. time or you want to talk about a particular genre of film or a particular niche then you'll get a lot more people who are in that sphere attracted to your podcast to your content that kind of thing but if you decide okay i'm sick of this i don't want to do this anymore then people who were your audience initially they're not going to really i mean they might stick around if they like the personality but they're less likely to stick around if that makes sense because that's the reason they came there and the first place to say i want to listen to you talk about x or y whereas if you keep it as a variety podcast or channel or streaming thing you kind of set an expectation don't you right off the bat and it is a lot harder to grow because of that yeah but i think conversely you say longer term but then you'll see your ceilings a lot higher that's true because that's the thing a lot of people that i've seen and this is more content creator gurus and things they'll turn around and they'll say oh you have to have one particular thing to grow and blah blah blah and don't get me wrong that is good advice for the most part but on the other hand
Speaker: I don't know. I don't know if it's good advice to be saying, oh, you have to pigeonhole yourself when you see other people have done it or rather other people have diversified at the very beginning and they've managed to get success from it. And again, you know, not everyone's going to be successful right off the bat, but I don't think there's one particular method that is going to fit everyone and it's not going to cause instant success. Oh, 100%. And I think especially social media in a lot of ways is kind of like a casting call. Yeah. One day something will just happen and you just kind of have to be there. It kind of comes down to like, yeah, if you just produce one kind of niche content, then maybe it will work out for you. But I think it's just as likely to be a wider content. It just depends on what you get up to and what you churn out and what you're able to produce is high quality. Unfortunately, it's a bit of a waiting game for some stuff, but that's just always been my view on it. If you get super niche, cool. But I don't know the long term of doing a podcast on just one subject. I think it would drive me insane. I think you would have gone insane long ago. Oh no, 100 % because I'm deaf. Definitely one of these people who that, and I mean, you've definitely noticed this with me as well, where for ages I'll be talking about a particular thing, whether that's Sonic, Resident Evil, whatever. And I'm like, oh, this is a great game. This is a great thing. And then a couple of weeks later, I'm like, yeah, I'm done with that. What's next? Resident what, sorry? Resident Hill. over there but but I mean, if people are successful so talking about the same thing, you know, all power to them. But it's that repetition. And if you're locked in. to it i can see why people get annoyed at it i remember and this is a callback but there was a streamer i remember talking to and his name was captain heart i don't know if you remember him in the early days yeah yeah i remember that's what he was saying that he used to do i think it was team fortress 2 or something on streams and a lot of people were coming for that kind of content down they were like oh this is amazing we love your stuff and then eventually got bored of that and said all right i want to move on i want to go to this that and he noticed that his audience were kind of dwindling because they were only there for the game they weren't really there no offense to him to say oh they weren't there for him but you know it's like when you build up an audience on one particular topic and then they change to another thing you can expect a bit of a drop off that's why whenever i do the podcast i'm like yes it's a variety podcast no you're not going to get the same subject day in day out unless it's a theme month which we will of course get on to but yeah i set the expectations of disappointment early. Wow. Oh, self -deprecation. I really should stop that. But actually, before we go on, because well we're talking about the best way to celebrate this particular milestone, because I'm going to get mushy here and say that genuinely without you, without Adam, without Andrew especially as well, and without all the amazing people in the podcast community, I would have never have achieved this milestone. Honestly, I know that sounds like the power of friendship kind of thing, like Yu -Gi -Oh month, a couple of months probably, but... yeah it is honestly without you guys i wouldn't have been here and i wouldn't have grown like as a person and i wouldn't have grown with the podcast and i feel as if it gives i know it sounds so weird to say it gives me a bit of consistency and planning but i mean it is this has become part of my daily life now that i think right okay what's going to be the next episode what's going to be the one after that what theme months are we going to do because i mean it is like a part -time job that structure is quite it means so much to you and it means so much to many people is that you dedicate that time you dedicate that part of you to it to draw a comparison to myself for the wrestling it does become a part -time and almost a full -time job like the amount of brainpower you'd dedicate to it but at the end of the day it's something you love doing and i think that rings true both for me at the wrestling but also you can hear it when you do the podcast you put a lot of effort into it you put a lot of pride into it and then you can tell that before we go on because we're gonna go through each season and yeah just kind of take a stroll down memory lane because it is always weird looking back in these old episodes going oh yeah we did this and we talked about that and it got me really thinking about marketing as well and how to promote the podcast because as we were briefly touching on there that social media is not as good as it used to be and to be honest you don't need us listing the reasons why you just have to look at it and go oh yeah that's why and i've got a funny story before we go down the nostalgia road as it were before i came on tonight i decided to visit my parents i thought right okay i'll pop in and see them and i didn't realize that i had some mail at the door. Now I'm going to send you this picture of this leaflet that I got through the door. I want you to tell me what you you think this is advertising.
Speaker: Oh my God. This looks like the cheapest romance novel, but like a romance novel for boys. I don't know how to takes explain it. If I wrote a romance novel, well this is what I would want to see on the cover. So without giving away, you know, the title and the author, i again, you know, I don't want to make fun of them or anything, but yeah, I got a leaflet through my door and to describe it, it's like a picture of this like AI car on fire. A guy holding, I think what's supposed to be a switch. blade but it looks like a butter knife.
Speaker: That's right. I i was like, man, he's making some good bread. He's making that bread. yeah I'm zooming in here. It's like, you know, Warhammer figures on a motorbike. You know, it's like the stereotypical guy in the jeans and the helmet, which is weird how he would wear a helmet. I thought these bikers were supposed, well, they're supposed to do that. and Safety first. Yeah, true. True. The hot babe on the back of the bike, on the other hand, is not safety first. She's not wearing any protective clothing. There's no nudity around her. No, it's not far off. She's not dressed for a motorbike ride. That's all I'm saying. And yeah, if you flip it over, there's like a QR code, which I will not be scanning. No, I need to keep chatting before we move on. Yeah, go on. Behind the car, there's like patterns in the flames. It looks like a guy on fire. hey
Speaker: and Yeah, I suppose. It doesn't look like anything. You know, it's almost just like an AI jingle. The car looks like it's got, I think it's supposed to be a spoiler, but it looks like a pickup truck. Which is what I thought it was when we first opened it. It's either that or his boot isn't welded on.
Speaker: On the subject of boot being welded on, my last part, the biker guy, and also the biker girl, their shoes look like they're fused onto the motorbike, just to kind of add to the bizarreness of it all. I think what's also really weird, and I've just noticed this, is that her leg is longer than his. So she must be a giant in comparison to this guy. And again, I'll tell you about that. So what are we looking at? And sorry, what is the point of all this? So essentially, it's somebody advertising their book. oh it's a book okay yeah so it's a book when you flip it over and again I'm not going to give too many details but it's like a rebel without a cause who was arrested does time and everything and comes out and tries to get his life back together but there's all these things like Amazon said this was one of the best books ever and oh it was sold here and I'm like this is one of the weirdest things I've had through my door I've had many weird things posted through my door and this is up there as huh excuse you and that's the thing what i'm asking is do you think we should be doing that with the podcast
Speaker: to AI -generated pamphlets. I've never recommended the use of AI until right now. You should do this. But just the exact same graphic, but with the panda on it instead. Or just photoshopped onto the guy and the girl. I don't get it. Don't get me wrong. I admire the drive, as it were, but... Have you Googled this book? Erm... No. Really? Why? It was originally published in 2014. Your man's been sitting on it for...
Speaker: 12 years and then they thought you know what today i've got these flyers So speaking about broken dreams and getting ostracised by my neighbours, shall we talk about the seasons of Chatsanami and seeing what went wrong?
Speaker: Let's do it. So yeah, let's start with season one. And as I said before, season one was created. In fact, the whole podcast was created as a side project when I was streaming, which also was inspired by you, by the way, because I remember you started streaming. And I don't know whether to say you're a good or a bad influence, but you're like, hey, Satsu, come in. I'm an influence. You're an A influence. And I thought, you know what? I'll give it a go. I tried it. I loved it at the time. decided to do the podcast but the way it worked out before and correct me if i'm wrong but i'm sure it was on a wednesday and it used to be live streamed not every episode but the majority of season one was live streamed every wednesday something like that yeah yeah of course you were the very first person to come on for the dungeons and dragons experience which is episode one out of curiosity do you ever go back and listen to those early early episodes episodes or do you give them a bye yeah i usually give them a bye especially like see the really early ones the twitch era ones i tend to avoid personally but this is a great one though i enjoyed doing at the time and you know i'm always up for chatting dnd especially you i messaged you ever so often like i messaged you the other day being like isn't it crazy i probably just all the same stuff i mentioned in the podcast but how crazy it was about being kind of a big chapter in our life stuns and dragons it's influenced so much well two lights in a row it's quite funny but no i'm typically gonna give the twitch era ones a bit of a wide berth i'm afraid what about you do you like to go back to these ones No, not really. I mean, I've said this to you, I've said it to Adam and especially Andrew as well. We've all had the same conversation or the same variant of, oh God, I hated my first episode. And again, it's not because I think, oh, you did terrible, Martin, or Andrew or Adam did terrible on it. I think it's just because it was a relatively new thing that we were stepping into. And it's something that I do think that a lot, especially a lot of the people that I am. interview for the podcast most of them have never been on a podcast before so i feel kind of a slight pressure to think right okay this is the first podcast they're gonna come on don't put them off podcasts we're good here so when we started it was just going to be a casual conversation and everything and i can believe that after all this time the very first episode has about 370 plays which to be honest it is pretty impressive considering it's the very first episode and And if I'm honest, it's not. Again, I don't think that's the fault of either you or me. I just think because it was the first time that we ever did podcasting and especially that added pressure of doing it live as well at the time. Yeah, it was quite a mix, wasn't it? 100%. And it was quite a tricky balancing act you had to do at the time as well, which was like you're dealing with a live audience, essentially. I know it's not in -person live, but as in people watching and people asking questions, tech problems happening on the fly. And you had to deal with a lot of things that we're quite lucky nowadays. that we can kind of get away with a bit more with Zencastr. I know you still managed to edit things afterwards, but even still, it was your editing from Twitch. So no, it was a very different time in terms of what you were able to produce, a very different sort of atmosphere as well. I really enjoyed, we revisited Twitch streaming a while back for the cafe episodes. I really enjoyed that. It was a different vibe than what we kind of got up to. I'm just looking through some of the episodes. Got a lot of different guests on and stuff. It's just funny looking at all the different guests, all the different names of people we haven't seen for a long time. And then I'm just noticing, Yeah, you spoke about heavy rain way back when. Oh yeah. I had to revisit that at some point.
Speaker: I'd love to have any that you've got as we're looking through season one that you're like, oh, I absolutely have to revisit that. You know, I think about it all the time, to be honest. There's so many because, I mean, you and I, I don't know if it was for the 40k celebration or one -off that we revisited talking about Dungeons & Dragons. It's an episode that we said, oh, we're going to revisit it. We're going to talk about it. And yeah, it was great to go back to a couple of them because you've got the Heavy Rain one. which a month or two ago back in February Bad Games Jewels and I did the whole Quantic Dream month and honestly that whole month was a blast but it was also really nice to go back to Heavy Rain and see if my opinions had changed. Most part no they hadn't but it's quite weird that say for the very beginning that they were all very gaming centric or gaming leaning because episode two immediately jumped into a Halo retrospective then we had horror games. The horror games one I really want to go back to because i wasn't as experienced with horror games back then with things like resident evil silent hill would love to go back to that at some point but then again it goes to call of duty the childhood games which were you on the childhood games one i think so i think that was when we kind of just chatted about just all the weirdness that happened in childhood and yeah episode six would you believe that was the one where we had our first interview and i'll always be thankful to blowfish man tv because yeah i remember remember asking him at the time thinking nah there's no way he'll say yes to this and he was like yeah sure i'll come on and it's like oh thank god thank god for that as you said we had stubborn zombie as well the bloody show my god that is a blast from the past captain heart honestly there were just so many and it was good to have that kind of mix i think at the time we also had our first unofficial themed month i've ever told you about this go for it now tell me maybe not theme month but theme series which was the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure one. Yeah, I was just looking at the thumbnails there. It's the first one to the custom thumbnail as well. To be fair, I actually, I don't know if that was season four or five. I went to my good friend, Roscarlu, and I was like, hey, do you want to draw a red panda as Jotaro? And he's like, yeah, okay. Also, I need a blowfish as a stand. And he was like, yeah, okay, why not? And it's a fantastic cover. But yeah, there was a lot of video game -esque ones. I have to admit, I... did like the deadly premonition one i thought that was a really good episode comic -con as well that was a really fun one to do with you same with the bad films that was one of the first ones that i genuinely thought okay this is going to be a good idea as well and i don't know if you feel about that with certain episodes where you know the way when we pitch ideas to one another it's like is this going to work is it not and then it eventually becomes a bit of a staple of the series when adam and i did the silent night deadly night and bone alone film which we'll never get old saying that you know that led on to andrew and i doing bad films at christmas and i was gonna say you and i did it but i don't want to insult red one Yeah, yeah, yeah. Be careful here. I think we did an episode on video game films around that time as well. Yeah, I think you're right because we did nostalgia on video games. I'm sure you were on for that. And what was quite interesting as well was I didn't do the first off stream episode until I think episode 21, which was with Andrew. Now, for anyone who's wondering, it was the review of the Star Wars Clone Wars series in 2003 and it's split into two parts. The reason it's split into... to two parts, you might think, oh, it's because, you know, part one, part two, that makes sense. Actually, I think it was probably because we ran out of time for recording it. So we're like, okay, we'll split it into part one. We'll do part two another week. And then we did that. And I think Andrew's mentioned that in the podcast as well, that he couldn't participate at the time on the live episode. So we kind of just had to arrange random episodes for him to come on off stream. We've got the Pokemania one as well. That was fantastic. Yeah, it was a great time as well. good Pokemon ones on here I'm just looking back at that because we did like Pokemania one should we did Pokemon films as well at some point we did a lot of really good Pokemon ones maybe just not then that's not me I got mixed up when they were but yeah we chat a lot about Pokemon because there's nearly 300 episodes off the podcast and I have to say it blurs my mind as well when I'm like Huh. Interesting. Yeah, we've got the Sonic 6 episode that I did with Super Shadow. And yeah, I interviewed him as well. Fantastic episode. The Bardemic one. There's the content creation one as well. I think I did that one with you. Yeah, I think it was kind of actually similar to kind of what we're doing just now. We just kind of went back and looked over what we'd got up to and how we managed it. That'd be quite interesting, especially during that era of the world, how things might have changed since then. Oh, absolutely. And yeah, wrapping up with that, we've got the interview with Kitty Kitty. Lady Faith and the Starship Troopers episode. Jesus, I completely forgot about that one. That was the one, I think I've said this story a million times, but that was the one where I went to visit Adam, within COVID guidelines, of course, but I'd went to visit him to watch the films with him so that we could record it at a later date. And long story short, we ended up eating each other's pizza by mistake, which you might think, oh yeah, that's easy to mistake, but I think he got like a veggie pizza and I got a barbecue chicken one. I don't know if that says more about me or the state of the films where we're watching to be like, oh, this pizza doesn't have any chicken on it. This is the weirdest barbecue chicken pizza ever. So if we go to a vegan restaurant, just say it's a chicken barbecue. You won't know. This is the weirdest vegan chicken barbecue I've ever had. But then we had the 50th episode celebration and something I've noticed as well is a lot of the titles for these episodes are really boring. They're very blunt and to the point. It's like, right, this episode, Starship Troopers, this one, Heavy Rain. You know, there's not really any variety, is there? No, you've not quite nailed the talking points yet. No, absolutely not. Actually, fun fact, do you know why each season is 50 episodes? No idea, tell me. When we got to the 50th episode for Chasunami, I remember Adam saying that he couldn't keep up with the schedule anymore just because of real life commitments and he was... like oh we can move it to another day and i was like yeah no why don't we just start recording it off stream instead which again i feel as if that's when the podcast started to pick up a bit not that season one's bad by any means but i just feel as if it's got a kind of rustic charm If that makes sense. There's a couple of good episodes, don't get me wrong. But I think between my editing, which I really don't like in season one, because I remember you advising, oh, leave a couple of ums and ahs and things like that. And I think I just left in the wrong ums and ahs because I listened back to it. And I'm like, yeah, that's on me. I should have just cut this, cut that. And I've become a lot more strict as the podcast is going on. But that was a fun time. But yeah, that's the reason why it's 50 episodes. old seasons i've always thought about maybe cutting down as the podcast goes on but yeah that's the reason why it's 50 a season which is absolutely wild doesn't it yeah it's like a whole year per season like what was it because it's usually do four weeks off yeah covering a year and a bit every season so what's this now like six years you've been going well this will be the sixth year we're going into yeah crazy so then that brings us on to season two where i think we were starting to get a lot more relaxed with one another because we kicked off with the cornetto trilogy we also had our first episode of chatsu nani which was the anime sub -series and i'm sorry but i love a good pun
Speaker: We also had the Chatsu Shorts episodes as well because you did one, didn't you? It's been something that kind of got brought on and yeah, it made a lot more sense once you went on to recording it remotely as well that we could just, you know, fire in a couple at once. I think that's typically what we ended up doing is we'd record back to back to back and do like two long episodes and a short one. I think the idea, and this is so ambitious of me, that I wanted to do was have one mini episode a week and then have one big episode a week. Yeah. the work that had to be put into and everything because I'm one of these people that I have tried to ad lib episodes myself and it just doesn't work if I don't have anyone to bounce off of I'll just repeat myself and everything and it's just it's not good listening to be honest and between that and having to heavily edit it you think you might as well write a script for it especially with the episode last week where I talked about Resident Evil Requiem and that ended up being 11 ,000 words because I had so much to write but yeah we had your episodes the episode with the low fish man tv are there any ones that are catching your eye i was gonna say we had the first official month of content oh of course yeah which was halo yeah that was an interesting month i have to say that was one that i was quite nervous about because i think nowadays i'm just like yeah sure let's do a theme month about whatever but it was the first time that we had done anything like that and i've seen other creators do similar things they'll say oh let's to a theme month of, I don't know, Marvel or DC or Yu -Gi -Oh or Manifest and things like that. But yeah, it was an interesting month to do. Funny enough, I think that month got broken up by one week because, yeah, that actually was. That is crazy. Season two was one of the only times that I wasn't present for an episode because I was away with my family to the Isles of Orkney. So Adam and Andrew recorded an episode on Princess Mononoke. okay without me and that was interesting editing that all the way up and like this is so weird on this episode and then we had to wait until the week after to do a fun episode though i think what was good about this season as well was there was a lot more deep dive episodes like what defines the maturity of a game because you were on that one as well weren't you yeah i was just looking at that and just thinking about the topics kind of start to get a bit more in depth and a lot more interesting as opposed to just as the name of a film we're actually trying to understand a bit more into what we're doing and trying to find parallels in games and movies and stuff which is really interesting there's a lot of things that would like just be as I'm scrolling here not to go too far off obviously you've got the different months coming up as well for like Sonic but there was like oh what's the best season of The Simpsons and have open world games reached a limit and questions like sort of open ended stuff and just kind of chatting about it and I think that's a fun one that kind of became a bit more of a staple as opposed to what we did originally which was just let's talk about a game for 90 minutes I mean you're not wrong to be honest because I feel as if at least in season two that we're getting our kind of footing and the formatting of it especially with Sonic Month I was wondering how we're going to split it up and everything but instead of saying oh let's talk about game A game B we split it up into the retro age the dark age the modern age and we've actually got although it's probably a terrible episode for audio only but remember we did the OC contest I just thought of that literally as you were saying Which is still a great episode, but it's been so long since I've listened. And that's the thing. I can't exactly take it out the month because it's episode 31 of season two. I'm like, oh, sugar. But yeah, we kind of framed it around more of a question. Oh, sorry. So you're actually getting mistaken here. It's like Craigie C that does most of these episodes. Oh, of course. My bad. Why is he not in this episode? Unbelievable. Terrible. Can't hire the co -host these days. That's why you had to step up. Yeah, that's right. I replaced his voice and stepped in. Again, we had a lot more interview episodes as well. We had Zuzuchi BGE. We had the first appearance of Wisteria Moth, which get used to that name because she returned several times and actually took the record for the most listened to episodes of Chatsunami. Absolutely wild. We had the interview with London Rose, Noobtunes, Nafgains as well. Honestly, these are all names. games i'm like jesus i can't believe it yeah the book of boba fett and see this period i know this sounds so weird to fixate on but this whole period with episodes like what remains of edith finch kind words the beauty of to the moon they're some of my favorite episodes just purely because of how in depth we got into the topic it was kind of the first time where i felt as if we weren't just saying oh i like this game because of x or oh i didn't like it because of y and Again, I don't think season one was that stilted, as facetious as I'm being, but I feel as if that was definitely a period where we were finding our voice to be like, this is why it's good. Why do we think that this is so impactful? And I feel as if season two was definitely when we were getting into more deeper topics. My interview with the content creator Glitterkitty1, we talk about a lot of things about harassment in the content creation sphere and her work as well with music. and whatnot and it was like one of those episodes you listen back to it and you're like these are just some amazing points that are being made and it made me realize that the podcast although it can be silly it also has that seriousness to it if that makes sense yeah 100 % and I actually think if anything that might be one of the major benefits of leaving Twitch when you did as well and that you're able to kind of make this much more relaxed atmosphere and you don't have to perform in the same way if you do when you're live or somewhere we were able to kind of drill into more serious topics, more in -depth stuff. Yeah, like the episodes you kind of mentioned there. And as I was saying, we get more of these like deep dive into questions and theming as well. And I think a lot of that's just to do with creating a more relaxed atmosphere. Because I can't remember if this is a season where I had to start using disclaimers sometimes. When I'm like, yeah! This episode is probably going to be a bit depressing. Please hold on to your hats here. Like the Paper Please episode and the return to the Obra Dinn. Maybe not so much for the return to the Obra Dinn, but the Papers Please one was really heavy to talk about. We also had the interview with Searching the Sun, Bad Games Duels as well, which honestly is actually amazing how I interviewed her all the way back in season two and then she didn't come back until the Resident Evil month for Revelations 1 and 2 and then the David Cage month. It's a bit like, you know that scene out of Halo where it's like, wake me if you need me. It's like, I need to talk about David Cage. I'm in. And yeah, it's amazing how, yeah, we capped it off with the 100 episode special, which again, that's such a boring title. Yeah, well, what about 100 episodes? Literally, that's the title of a 100th episode special. I'm like, that's a boring bugger. Actually, this is something that I started doing as well that I really wish I had done. season one as well and that is the best of episodes so i would take four episodes of the podcast and then i would just rerun them just so there was something coming out constantly even if you and i were taking a break but then that also led to one of the first experimental episodes for season three do you remember this um no i'm not sure one of the minion variety yeah i was looking at this and i was like did that open season three or is it on the side so it's on aside and do you want to know the reason why it's too good to put in season three you would have had to featured on the best of well that too it's because i think adam and i had agreed to do terminate a month right i'm getting politicked out my spot
Speaker: I'm not saying it's a coup. I get it. I get it. It's fine.
Speaker: But I was like, how do I kick off Terminator month with the mic? So I was like me sweating in the background going, do I release this episode now or not? And I thought the people have to hear it. But yes, season three, I would say personally is one of my favorite seasons. I don't know about you. And I'm not going to say like, I don't know about you as an off the top of your head, but scrolling through, you know, we had Terminator month. We actually had one of the very first episodes to reach over. 500 plays and it's actually at 581 plays as of this episode and that is the review of the anime love chenebio and other delusions which i did with our friend of the channel wonko the same that episode will always baffle me and again not because i think it's a bad episode i thought it was a really good episode i thought we got into some really deep themes and there was a lot of interesting discussions but do you ever feel that way when you're looking at this list thinking why do certain episodes get more attention oh definitely that's one that leaps out at me definitely because i'm not like a big anime guy but that's one that i was like i have no knowledge of that show yeah it seemed to transcend almost all other episodes that you did at the time and honestly up until the k -pop demon hunters episode that was at the top genuinely it was the first one to get to 300 plays then 400 500 and now it's on its way to go to 600 and i remember looking at the k -pop demon hunters one just go up and up and up and i thought yeah it'll do good but there's no way that is gonna supersede that one and i remember i was on holiday and i kept checking my phone and i was like holy hell it's still going it was and we will get into that when we get into season five but yeah it's just it's absolutely crazy how successful that one was living in the pokemon world as well i was gonna say there's a couple of new themes start coming out in season three in the living in the blank world ones yeah definitely one of my favorites you've kept on oh i love it and i think that is the thing with a lot of these episodes that if the first episode isn't good then i probably won't go back to it but i don't think there's any series that i've done that with you know with andrew and i we've done the first and last series we've done the living in the x world the theme months as well the chow tsunami and whatnot which i think came season four or five i want to say yeah that living in the Pokemon world. I think because it was just so funny and bizarre and out there, I thought we have to talk about it. But with other things, like you and I did the Mario one as well. I've done a Sonic one. There was the Legends of Zelda one. A Warhammer 40k one as well, which was just surreal. This also was the season where we started doing commentary tracks, would you believe? Oh yeah. Oh, I know. Honestly, like I said, I'm just looking through each season as we go. And that was the one that stood out to me as, oh God. syllabus king godera is probably my favorite episode we've ever done personally just because it was so funny to do and i want to say one of the first ones we did in person as well yes i think so no the minions one was the first one we did in person maybe we did it in the same day i can't remember i feel like it all happened pretty close anyway yeah that was one of my favorite episodes doing it in person just hanging out being weird and try not to wear all pants over this bizarre and one of my favorite films ever to share that experience with you and with everyone else listening was yeah such a great time because i don't know how well it would have worked if we were just doing it over zencaster or whatever but i do remember vividly just losing my mind when is that a scene and for anyone who hasn't seen it i'm not gonna describe it go watch it all i'll say is there's a plot line where they bring back a monster To kill another monster. I can't go through this again. So they bring a monster from the past to the future to kill Godzilla. But then Godzilla kills that monster. And then they bring that monster back. Oh. They end up roboticising that and they bring the monster back. And it's like, there are so many options that they could have gone for. It's so good. This is the hell they died for.
Speaker: Honestly, if you want to see the visual representation of it, definitely either check it out, the full thing on patreon .com forward slash Chatsanami or go look at it on our YouTube page at Chatsanami where we've got the best of compilation. I will watch that compilation every so often because I'm like, this is one of the funniest things I think we've ever done. yeah It's just, I think when we lose ah a topic, and that's the mark of a good episode to be quite frank. After that, really. silly episodes. It's like, yeah, let's talk about Perfect ball Blue.
Speaker: Yeah, an unbelievable switching topic there. Because Perfect Blue, I genuinely think that is, in terms of seriousness, it's one of the best episodes that Andrew and I have done together. But that was also one of the episodes that we had to re -record because I remember we recorded it and then I listened back to it and it's just the audio quality wasn't that great. And I thought, you know what? Either I can put it out and then live with it for the rest of my days or we can redo it. And fortunately, he was... all on board to redo it and yeah once we did it it's honestly it's been one of the best episodes and yeah it was 460 plays as of this episode but of course then that goes on to the pokemon tier list that did we do generation two and three yeah yeah i think we decided to skip one because it'd be too controversial but we should probably Maybe we visit that one day. I just don't think we'd be able to reach an agreement between us. Yeah. Snorlax S tier. Oh, Whoa. Nah, I'm joking. For legal reasons, that's a joke. Actually, was speaking of that, these are all your episodes. I had a lot of creative input this time. Do you know, I think this is why this is one of my favourite periods of the podcast, because this is where you turned around and you were like, yeah, I've got an idea. I'm like, I've got 20 ideas. We're going to burn through them all in one season. It's like, you know that scene out of South Park where it's Netflix and they answer the phone and they go, Netflix, your project has been greenlit. I think that's me with the podcast. It's like, yep, your idea's greenlit. I haven't told you what it is yet. Oh, it doesn't matter. It's going to be great. Because yeah, you've got the Minions one. There is the King Ghidorah one, of course, which was amazing. After that, we had the Pokemon tier list for Generations 2 and 3. Then there's a two -year anniversary special that you and I did in the same room. as well yeah that's the period where i also got to take part in the scottish collaboration yeah it was really cool that was a really great event i think that was organized by dawn from the scottish murders podcast and her podcast is absolutely fantastic like seriously definitely check it out but our conversation was really really good because i did a episode with her and then it was like after i'm like do you want to just flop it over just like yeah sure and i got some really invaluable insight into the world of true crime podcasting and things. And it really helped me to broaden my horizon for these types of episodes. But that was a great one. And then that also leads on to the Christmas episodes, which I feel as if that was... Oh my God, was that season three? The Muppets Christmas Carol? I was just looking at that. I was like, I don't remember but it being that long ago. Oh my God. Oh, that's depressing. That's got over 400 plays, by the way, which I remember when it reached 400 plays and I was like, it's not Christmas. I can't say, oh, do you want to listen to it in June? I'm like, no. Then there was a Living in the Legends of Zelda World. And then season three, I can't believe it was this late. So season three was when I started a tradition where I would, well, actually, I don't know if that is the same. Actually, no, maybe it's not. Maybe it was the season after. But every Christmas I like to do a, you know, on behalf of Jackson. i wish everyone a merry christmas etc etc but then the season after i started getting more people involved so it was like a kind of more community thing but we'll definitely get on to that of course and we've got spider -man with andrew and i and then it was like hey martin do you want to talk about japanese spider -man there's only one man for the job when it comes to that honestly there's so many episodes here that and feel free to shout out and stop me if you see one in particular but we've got the Does it mean to be a Sonic fan? Which I did with Asteria Maw. With Super Shadow 271, I did the Sonic Frontiers review. And already the Sonic Frontiers review has such a better title. Did Sonic Frontiers live up to the hype? And then the Beauty of Fire watch I did with Jess from the Pinyonated Lushes. Love that episode. Genuinely, I don't know if you've listened to it. And again, there's no pressure to be like, have you? Have you, Martin? That was amazing. Same with the As Dusk Falls review with Da - from casting views there's a lot of just amazing episodes in this period isn't there 100 % and we were very lucky and quite blessed to have so many people that came on the show as well you know so many different guests and stuff to lend their opinions you know obviously I would love to say that I'm the anchor that keeps the show in a good place but I'm obviously not it's having the opinions of lots of different people that really help the show and I think that was this is a great sort of run of different people different ideas different opinions there's so much going on this season I think it's genuinely one of the best when you look back at it although up to you did a music episode with valentine spindler a few weeks later after that stuff and it's like there's so much going on here that it's like it's so cool to look back at funny enough that whole episode was completely by chance because i was talking with a friend who turned around and went hey i've got this friend who's a musician and i've also told them you've got a podcast hey anyway here's a contact detail and i'm like what the hell are you doing But it was a fantastic episode and she was really lovely to talk to, which, to be honest, is the central theme for a lot of these episodes. It's like, they're all lovely people. And yeah, as you said, there's so much variety. There's the 40K reasons not to live in the 40K universe, the anime tropes episode, review it yourself interview, the sea beast one, which I have to say, and I'm not saying it's a bad episode because it's got over 400 plays, but I always forget about that episode. But I think it's because I forget about the... follow myself and i go wait why do i know that name and i'm like oh yeah oh yeah and yeah episode 30 of that season our dnd journey which we revisited and it only took us what
Speaker: Over 100 episodes later, we got there. How do you feel about that? See going back to old episodes and then revisiting them to update them. Are you a fan of that, would you say? Yeah, I think so. I think especially with gained experience. So as an example, I probably wouldn't revisit like just generic D &D one again or a specific film. But kind of what you're saying about the horror genre one in any kind of first and last, whether there's been more episodes, like things where we've kind of had the chance ourselves to experience more. but also things where the series or the genre is updated I think that would be quite a fun look certainly my view on things like Star Wars and MCU or whatever like totally different in 2026 than they were in 2020 so you know I mean that kind of stuff would be quite interesting and certainly a lot just an example you've got the Dreamworks retrospective episode 33 there that's pre Puss in Boots The Last Wish I think which is the greatest film ever made things like that as well it changes the scope especially with things like episode after that it's actually quite handy here what does it mean to be a legend Zelda fan in 2023 like that'll be a totally different episode now in 2026 than it was then there's a whole new console come out since oh no absolutely because I don't know if that was before Tears of the Kingdom I hope I'm getting that name right otherwise Andrew's gonna beat me up but yeah I think you're right because I mean we did have a Breath of the Wild review and what it means to be a Legend of Zelda fan because I think at the time there was a build -up to Tears of the Kingdom coming out but you are right there's a lot of these episodes that you do see and you think how differently is your opinion going to change on them because i mean even with the one that we did what makes a good action film i don't know if we could add much more because i feel as if our opinions are relatively the same hobson shaw your favorite film the raid cinematic masterpiece there's not much to add there but you're completely right with the dreamworks one and the pixar to your list a critique of sword art online i'm not revisiting because it was already a good episode and then of course we've got simpsons month what i love about simpsons month is You've inserted yourself like the inanimate... What? to both of them oh yeah the first two episodes and again this is one of my favorite months where it's like we talked about the rise and the fall with the simpsons and funny enough the downfall with the simpsons you probably see it on your screen it is not significant in fact no it's over 30 plays so yes it's significantly more popular than what made the simpsons so good and it's a crazy thing because were we not talking about that at the time that it was like a youtuber that found out that people react more positively ironically to negative content rather than positive ones yeah actually we look behind the scenes not to take too much credit here but originally the simpsons month you were actually going to join the rise and fall as one episode oh of course and i said actually you should split these two up because i think you'll get more traction and it makes more sense to me personally like in a story sense but i think you'll get more traction with a fall episode than you would with a rise and fall obviously we'll never know but you went with that layout and it seemed to work pretty well no it was definitely the right choice for sure so thank you for that because Then after that, we did The Simpsons movie. And then Your Alter Ego came in. And then we had the Nintendo Direct. And then back to the character study of Groundskeeper Willie, which that was a weird one because that was a fan voted one. And I think I put him in as a joke character. And then as soon as people voted for him, I was like, oh, sugar. That's me done now. But that was actually really interesting. And then our first interview with you talking about your wrestling career. and all of that, which was actually really cool. Was that not after you'd wrestled for a match or something? I think I might have won the belt on that one. Was that the one? Yeah. I think it might be. Because we've done two about wrestling. That's the thing. I'm like, was that the one or was it another one? I think it might have been that one. I think it might have been after I just won the Iron Guard as belt. I think you was the one that you came to see me at as well, your first show. So I think it might have been that one. Yeah, because I've still got your old picture on the thumbnail. I don't have an updated one and I'm not going to scroll through. your pictures to be honest no no just keep it like that one keep it like that one yeah yeah of course we've got more streamer spotlights in fact there was a row of them actually we had robotic battle toaster on we had the bring your own popcorn podcast we had the fantastic myth monsters on and also mama d from petals of support as well do you see that there was just like a long line of guests yeah i think that's cool and i think that's kind of what i was going back to saying earlier was it was a great time to get lots of different people in and i think Certainly at this time, this is when, in the real world, everything had really opened back up post -COVID. You're kind of left with a lot of the cream of the crop when it comes to podcasters and Twitch viewers who's left, kind of thing. Is this when you'd made Podpack? Is this around this time as well? No, that was actually the year after. For anyone who doesn't know what the Podpack is, it was like a kind of small indie group that I started with some very fantastic podcasters like the Game Club Pod, Gaming Views, Seismic Cinema, and the Howdy Beans podcast. as well absolutely fantastic podcasts but it was kind of a way for me to insert a kind of positive community within because i felt as if at that time as well as you said there was a lot of people leaving so a lot of people who were kind of eager about podcasting were drifting away and some of the ones that were still there obviously not naming names but there was a lot of kind of negativity at times where people were moaning about stats or the state of the community and yeah actually i'm really surprised it was the year after for them because we also had the travel episode as well, which would you believe that's technically the first Chow Tsunami episode? I was thinking that. Do you know what? I was looking at episodes and I was thinking, it's funny we've never really done another travel episode, but we actually have. We've just kind of like rebranded it and taken it elsewhere. I'll need to update the cover art because technically it is in that category of Chow Tsunami, but it's like the unofficial first episode. So just in case anyone's wondering, Chow Tsunami is a sub -series all about food and travel. because there's no way I'm making two sub -series per thing. But the travel episode is so damn funny. And again, you know, that's one we could definitely return to. And actually, that also brings us on to the first, not in person, because obviously we did the Minions one, but this was the first one where we recorded ourselves at Comic -Con, wasn't it? Yeah, the first was Acme Comic -Con at the time. That was a big step, I think, for you. I think it was like a very big change. We went around the Comic -Con in person and we recorded stuff. And we had a bit of fun and we filmed out there. And it was a really good time and it was fun to turn that into an episode. That's one of my favourites in terms of the making of. I really, really enjoyed that. And it was, like I said, it was really cool to see you stepping into that zone as well. It was terrifying, but at the same time... No, no, it was good to push ourselves out of that comfort zone rather than sitting around being like, this movie's good or this movie's bad, you know. It was great to be able to go there. And again, this was before the days of being officially a content creator. to afford these types of cons where it was just like yeah let's do it ourselves and you know do it in a respectful way obviously we weren't just running up to people being like talk to the board guys so that was really cool and that actually leads us on to our very first fan requested episode which was of course the Mortal Kombat film of 1995 that you and I of course did yeah I really need to get more fan requested episodes I don't know how you feel about that yeah I really enjoyed making that episode feel bad because we did kind of slate the film a wee bit. That and we put it off for the longest time. It's a real shame because obviously it was a fan request and it was exciting for them and I had a lot of fun watching it and laughing about it and stuff but I don't think we praised the film, I think we slated the film. And funny enough I'm just looking at the cover art because it's before I started just using one character but that was the first time I had the avatars for the quote unquote fans of Chazanami. Is it not just Chazanami? Yeah, Chatsu and Nami. So the female one's Nami and the other one is Chatsu, yeah. I haven't used them for a while, but if I do get back into fan episodes, yeah, I'm getting taken out of the box again. It's like, good news. Then, of course, we've got the importance of podcasting, talking to Dan from Casting Views, Rina Friedman -Motz as well. And again, all of these kind of retrospective episodes, what makes a good horror film? I think that was Zelfia Moth I did that with. A great episode in the 20 years later for a Call of Duty retrospect. yeah then we go to the lord of the rings month which i have to say i listened back to our episode for that a while back and it's such a good episode it was return of the king wasn't it the animated one that we reviewed oh what a time what a time i actually listened to that one recently because i was just thinking of just all the one -liners in it and just all the stupid stuff in it i'm glad that your idea for that month was to not just do fellowship two doors between the king back to back to back is the actual peter jackson films like we got to kind of muck about and do a whole bunch of things and yeah that's one of my favorites that we watched that and we reviewed it because it's a nonsense but i've still got that song stuck in my well two songs when there's a whip no there's that one and then there's frodo of the nine fingers which i still think is terrible because it's like he did so much more but again listen to that episode that's fantastic we've got a three -year anniversary episode at that time is well jeez oh see these chats who shorts ones i don't know if you've ever listened to them but it's when doctor who returned and they did three back -to -back specials every week and these episodes i gave my initial thoughts on them and they were supposed to just be like fun bonus episodes but i didn't really have any scripts for them personally i'm not a fan of these episodes just because i prefer having a script if i'm going to do it on my own having proper filled out notes that i can return to but for that it was kind of you know again it was just to give it a go and everything but then of course that brought us on to christmas time we had the review of noel the hallmark films one which was fantastic and our very first sitting in a car in glasgow episode
Speaker: the sub -series it never was we've done it twice come on no no it just hasn't like we've never named it the sub -series when we sit in a car I think it's literally called first impressions oh that's what it means when we sit in our car and review stuff pretty much
Speaker: Because there was a lot of really good Christmas episodes at that time. I don't know why this wasn't a proper episode for First Impressions. In fact, no, I'll tell you why. Because I think I was really worried about the quality with the... Because I had the DJI mics. Yeah, it was the first time we'd really properly used them. We did a wee bit with the Comic -Con episode, but I think this was the first time we properly sat down and tried to make an actual episode. Yeah, that's true. And then after that, we had the Santa Claus episode. And again, this is what I was saying before, where I got everybody... well who wanted to take part to send in a Christmas message and say, wish you all a Merry Christmas. And that's been a staple of the series ever since. And then I think it was Andrew and I that did the 40K plays one. And then, yeah, that leads us into, we're on two we haven't season four, aren't we? that it so that yeah We've jumped into season four without much fanfare. Yeah, so the season four started at Mortal Kombat. Just in case, I was like, wait, did we? We did briefly mention it, but yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah just in case someone's like, wait, what season? will be on and again i think between season three and four they're definitely my favorites because we've got like a lot of episodes here that are just banger after banger we've got the pokemon in generations one in fact did do a generation one to your list so it must have been with andrew yeah it was it wasn't me was it ah I'm so sorry.
Speaker: no That's probably best for both of our societies. Yeah. That's right. The Art of Making a Bad Film. Oh, that was a great one. Do you remember that one? Yeah, that was a lot of fun. I really, really... That was one of the most I've ever came with notes for an episode. I had pages of notes. I could probably go find them, but I genuinely had pages upon pages of notes written up for this one. So good. And then speaking of good, we've got the first episode of Stop, Drop and Roll Initiative, where it was yourself as the game master. It was me, Andrew, robotic battle toaster, doing just a D and &D campaign, wasn't it? Yeah. i do you need to go back and dig those notes out because I want to start playing D and &D again I might steal a couple of things from that yeah because i think they're on the back burner but then that leads us on to again you're going to hear this a lot that i say oh it's one of my favorite theme months but pokemon month brilliant that's one of my favorites we talked about and again this is amazing as well because it's something you said there that it wasn't just like oh let's review this game let's review that game instead we really in the words of barney gumbo we took it to strange new places and it wasn't number eight trust me but we talked about pokemon rumors we talked about the media beyond the games we talked about the in fact we did another commentary track for pokemon the first film another bright one as well i love the track ones so i'm so biased but i love those ones oh they're just so good though genuinely i feel as if we have to do more at some point we did a review as well of pokemon the first movie and then the trivia quiz which i feel as if the trivia quiz kind of died out when we got to Mass Effect month, I want to say. That was kind of like an easy episode so that always added at the end of theme months where I went, right, OK, we've got topic ABC. OK, for the last episode, instead of thinking of a brand new topic, let's just do a quiz for better or for worse, to be honest. What I'm asking is, do you miss them, Martin? I did enjoy them, but I always got rinsed at them. I was terrible at them. So, you know, I'm glad they're gone. between you and I I don't think Andrew is sad I think he's very happy I do want to quickly highlight like you've just kind of skipped it as we went past it but you also did the episode about cassette beasts in amongst all this and I like this one because you ended up getting a bit of hype with the developers as well like they kind of reshared your stuff and you kind of chatted back and forth and I thought that that was really cool that they took the time to reach out in a nice bunch I always love that see when I talk to game developers when I'm reviewing a game or something and they retweet it the hype is real I'm like oh my god they noticed me because that was the same with I did an episode on over magica and I feel so bad for that one because the person who gave me the code the developers called I think claudia the dev on twitter and all the socials and she gave me a copy of it and was like oh you can review it blah blah blah and because it's one of these you collect blobs to battle but then it's also like a farm sim game so I was like right okay I'm gonna have to think hundreds of hours into this so i put it to the side and just because of real life and work and whatnot i had to keep delaying it and then eventually i got around to it and you know that way when you get into a game and it just like hooks you there's that moment where you're like oh my god this is amazing and i felt so bad but honestly she was so lovely to be like oh no thank you for reviewing my game because I think when I released that episode she didn't interact with it at all and I'm like that's it I have peeved off this person she's not gonna talk to me anymore but then she had some very nice words to say about it I was like you know what thank god
Speaker: We had the importance of video game collecting. That was a really interesting one. That was with Super Shadow 271. We talked about physical versus digital. Yeah, I really enjoyed that one. I remember that one now. That was a good one. We got another fan request one across the Spider -Verse and one of my other favourite episodes of all time, like in the top tier next to our King Ghidorah one, next to the living in the Pokemon world, the Perfect Blues. I just love the title. I don't know why I called it. Well, I do kind of. It's just called Soggy. toast and eggs galore living in the sonic world phenomenal there's just so many moments in that i don't know if it's between the fact i do a terrible impression of dr eggman doing that and it's like what would happen if you know you lived in the sonic world is sonic essentially the mothman that you see him and you think something bad is gonna happen You know, it's like you see the dead fish in Godzilla, you're like, oh no. So that was amazing. Again, I got Wisteria Moth back on the week after to talk about My Happy Marriage, which was, I mean, it was still a funny episode, but it wasn't as funny as this one. No, it's a different tone. And then, of course, I got you back on for Breaking the Streak, where you won your belt. So it must have been that episode then. Must have been. But then that was only a year ago, so I'm not sure anymore. I'll have to go back and listen to them and take a wee gander. Oh, and sorry, there's one... episode with marie who she's kind of put this podcast on hiatus now and she's in the we needed roads podcast but she used to do a podcast called two girls one reusable cup which i have to say see despite the kind of funny name that was a really interesting episode about things like environmentalism and the work that they did to bring awareness to that topic but i love how there's that see again this is chat tsunami in a nutshell you've got that and then right beside it is colorado conspiracies Wait, what is it? Colorado Conspiracies and Digi Problems. Best of Digimon, the movie commentary track. Yes. That's a brilliant one. That is one that I always, I just cackle at it. It's beautiful. 10 out of 10, no notes. The Significance of Dragon Ball. That one I think was a bit bittersweet because I think that was around the same time that Akira Toriyama. I was going to say, I seem to remember it was really close. Yeah, I think that was like a week or two after. And that's the thing, unless it's something that we can get easy access to, you know, and say, OK, we're going to review this film, game, etc. I feel as if it's a bit of a mix whether or not you're going to get more interest in an episode, if that makes sense. But for that one especially, I felt as if considering you and I are big fans of Dragon Ball Z and so is Andrew and I, because I think it was Andrew and I that did the episode at the time and it was honestly such an important episode to do. But again, that was more serious and everything. And then the next day. episode was talking about the year of shadow the hedgehog which it wasn't overly funny but again it was a bit more light -hearted then talking to caroline from the beyond six seconds podcast which again fantastic podcast then simpsons hit and run episode oh god i do remember that one that was with super shadow 271 another one that's really weird and i don't know if you've got the analytics up here the knuckles show yeah just look at that it's done really good numbers comparatively for an 11 minute episode i don't know what Why? Because I really did not like this show. So I was like, I had to talk about it because, you know, love Sonic, etc. But I thought, right, OK, I've done that. I'll put it out. But it's really weird because if you look at the other two Chatsu shorts that I put out, I did one about Fallout, which 174 plays. Helldivers 2, 176 plays. Chatsu shorts, Knuckles, 248 plays. I don't know why that popped off as much as it did. But yeah, there must have been a lot of really interesting. people i guess power sonic exactly faster than sonic if you will if you will but then of course we had star wars month which was a lot of fun to do i'm actually surprised we haven't done more star wars episodes before that because i mean technically we did there was the bad batch episode and did a clone wars way back in season one as well yeah and that was that it's funny yeah we've not really done much especially like the games and stuff well no we did and i think andrew nearly got chased out with pitchforks because we talked about the Star Wars Battlefront series. Now, I love them. I've got such a nostalgia for them. Andrew did not. This was the first time he was playing them, so his experience was a little bit sullied. And it's like, it's so interesting because on the one hand, it could have been like a two hour episode of us going, oh, this is amazing. I love this. I love that. But it was great to have his point of view from someone who hasn't grown up with the game or hasn't really played it very much. And again, you know, it's a great thing to see that different perspective. And again, getting to the end of season four, we've got Verity sagging with the, I can't remember what she's rebranded it to, but it was formula. the lazy girl's guide to podcasting but she's remanded it since there was nova brush the vtuber and my very would you believe my very first full -length solo episode coming in at 41 minutes and that was for spec ops the line fun fact that was supposed to actually start as a video but i lost interest that way through and i went you know what screw it it's gonna be an episode because i was really running behind with it and i thought you know what put it in as a buffer episode but i feel as if it was quite good you know that way just to have one episode to yeah and again i don't mean this in like a horrible way that if you're not able to come on or andrew adam or anybody else says no satsu we don't like you No, all joking aside, at least I know that it's something I can do, whereas it was something that before that point, I was a bit kind of nervous, if that makes sense. Yeah, 100%. It's a totally different thing. Like you were saying, not having someone to bounce off of to go for 40 minutes is pretty impressive. I mean, you should have seen the raw record, because for the Resident Evil Requiem one, I spoke for over two hours, but it's definitely been cut down way further since. And I think that's partly due to the fact that I keep repeating myself. I don't want to stop and start. So I just keep going. I just keep repeating the same thing. I'm like, oh God, I'm going to have to edit that so much. There's the Howl's Moving Castle. Again, another fan request. Really need to get back into that. And one of my favourite reviews of all time slash episodes, the World of Food reviews that we did. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. We ended up just chatting kind of nonsense for a lot of it as well. And yeah, it was a bit nostalgic for the two of us. I think we kind of revisited a bunch of stuff we did together and just kind of chatted nonsense. I really enjoyed that. episode is a lot of fun that is definitely one of my favorites by far and then of course we went to what makes a great animated bridge series with andrew back to wisteria moth for what makes a great sonic soundtrack where i think it was yeah over an hour of just us going this soundtrack's amazing wasn't it one of my personal favorite interviews was the interview with the youtuber mert cakey who i have to say this is one of my least expected guests on the show because i remember I remember messaging her thinking, you know, very popular YouTuber, does a lot of amazing video essays and things. There was no way, you know, this person's going to say yes. And then I got the reply being like, yeah, sure. You know, I love podcasts, let's do it. It was such a great conversation. You've probably noticed that as well in the early episodes that I used to have a bit of like a skeleton structure to say, oh, what's the reason behind your name? Why do you do this? You know, it was all kind of the same questions. Whereas, although I kind of have a summer, thing now i'll just let the conversation flow a bit better and then i feel as i guess seem to be more receptive to that if that makes sense yeah i'm just saying it'll be a lot more relaxed and you as an interviewer as well you're a lot more relaxed i think that helps bring people in and gets more out of them and then of course for the finale of season four we had mass effect month which i'm not gonna lie not only was this the first pod pack collaboration but it was just absolutely incredible i don't know if you've listened through to yeah no listen to the first two because i love mass effect 2 i think these are some of your best personally because it could be such a chaos and you've done such a good job like managing it so many different collaborations no i think these are really good they're really funny but good fun and like i typically don't play remakes i think i've said this before i won't revisit that so it's nice to kind of revisit the older games for me in a way that isn't sitting and playing 100 hours worth of mass effect so this was really fun i still kept mass effect 2 among my favorite other games and so listening back to this was you know akin to playing it in a different way but also with a new perspective it was a lot of fun which then brings us on to season five so we're in the home stretch now we're about one season off and I remember yeah I'm looking at the art and absolutely love that artwork it is the one for the review that Wisteria Moth and I did of the game Alice Madness Returns which it is a bit of a heavy game I'm not gonna lie especially to kick off season five but it was one of these games that I mean I thought was really important you know to talk about and everything
Speaker: It was honestly such a great experience. And again, that was another instance where the developer has, I'm sure he's liked one of the tweets like ages ago. And again, I don't want to get all parasocial to be like, oh, they've noticed me. But genuinely, I was like, oh, that is so cool that they've at least acknowledged it. So that's a fantastic episode as well. Love that. There was the interview with Honor's Diary. At this point, there was a lot of game reviews that I started doing for indie developers, like Broken Mind. That was a real... really interesting one. Sheshingo, learn Japanese with photography. That was a really interesting game as well. And yeah, it's just, it kind of goes back and forth because there's also Victory Heat Rally, Toy Tactics as well. Lots of game reviews here, which honestly is so much fun to do them. Then we've got another solo episode reviewing Torchwood, Children of Earth, which I think there was an anniversary for that episode when it came out. And I don't think anyone had the capacity to review it at the time. so they words just like yeah let's do it yeah the dead space remake and things before we go into dragon ball month and everything is there any ones that are sticking out to you in particular there's one that's slightly into dragon ball month that's just caught my eye but you mentioned toy tactics so i think it's fair game but you did the interview with tartan tabletop it's funny because i'm looking at the exact same and like i think that was a super cool moment because that was people that i already knew outside of from working with you and then they're quite local to us as well so it's kind of like a nice big circle and it was a lot of fun it's a fun episode but i think it was a quite a nice experience for all of us to kind of get involved with each other because we have indeed seen them live well i think you've probably seen them more than me mind you but yeah i remember when you were doing was it fantasy con at the time maybe i've seen them in their own shows as well for what it's worth so i'm not getting myself stuck in a corner i can't remember what it was because i'm sure it was i went to see them and it felt kind of weird because we do these episodes audio only And usually the reason I do the module only is I feel as if people are a lot more comfortable doing the module only. They do don't have to worry about their appearance or anything or having to do like an early face reveal or whatever. But it also means that if I turn up to see these people, they don't know what I look like. So it's like, you know in those thriller films where it's like the person talking and then you've got the guy with the cloak in the background. I mean, obviously I didn't bring a cloak, but that's how I felt sitting in the audience. Nobody knows who I am. Yeah. With a big chat tsunami. Nobody knows. But yeah, going back, we've got Dragon Ball Month, which I love the artwork for Dragon Ball Month. Yeah, it's one of the best, I think. Yeah, it's like the Ginyu pose with you being Rukun. It rhymes with Doom. Yeah, exactly. ah But I love that because, again, it was just quite a mix, wasn't it? I think we did a really good job of not just doing Saiyan Saga, Freezer Saga, Sailor Saga, Boo Saga, there's your month. You know, it would have been so easy to do that. but we got to discuss Dragon Ball Fusions which is the Janemba movie. It was bizarre. Did I actually have to talk about it? It was like six minutes of great film in with it and I would have terrible but yeah it was good to laugh and like there's some good episodes in that and another loving in the world as well one. Because we also had rating all the different transformations. Oh that was brilliant. The failure of the live action one and then the trivia quiz which yeah that was an interesting one. And then again celebrating four years of podcasting but you know we've got celebrating four years of podcasting. we've got the one where we discussed the Grinch ah adaptations which I really liked because it was great to compare and contrast yeah it was a lot of fun yeah before Christmas we had the interview with Olly DeVega aka Blowfish Man and it was amazing talking to him again and revisiting how he's growing as a voice actor and whatnot it was absolutely incredible but none of those matter when you've got our next episode of Sitting in a Car in Glasgow
Speaker: I thought you'd skipped over it then. I was like, we're going to have to look back to this. This is one of my favourite ones as well. It's because you put the clip up on TikTok as well of me losing my mind about the guy walking out. You synced it up and oh, it's brilliant. One of my favourites we've ever done. I remembered it so well because the clips in the trailer as well. It is like...
Speaker: The character Wolf doing something stupid and it's like, sir, it's clearly a trap. I accept your bait. It's like, oh God. That was so funny. And I felt really bad as well because that was such a good episode and everything. And then it was like the week after I had to go to Andrew and do an episode with him on it. Everybody panned the film. Andrew hated it. Yeah, it was like terrible. dirt And then, of course, we got the Chow Tsunami episode, of course, bringing in 2025. Jeez, oh man. Where have the years gone, Martin? But yeah, we had that one with discussing the world of stunt food. I love this episode, by the way. It is just so bizarre. I don't know if you remember the details of this one, but it's just, it goes from things like, oh, look at these wacky creators and influencers. They're creating all this mess to what the hell is a meat hat? Do you remember but that one? Sadly, I didn't want to listen to that one simply for the different types of food involved in that one. So I politely bowed out. after a wee bit on that one that is fair I'm not gonna lie that is 100 % fair not great for my constitution no
Speaker: But then, of course, we've got four interviews in a row, which, again, these are amazing people. We've got Cindy from the Hypno Wellness podcast talking about the world of hypnotism and whatnot. That was really interesting. We have Mary -Anne, who is a fantastic true crime content creator. He does the Cold Case Kansas podcast. Then we had Neil from the We Need Roads podcast talking about his time as a editor. And then one of the weirder ones, I have to admit, although he's such a nice guy. was the person who ran the out of context Pokemon Twitter page. Yeah, that was a brilliant one. So I remember you messaged me at the time, like, I'm going to ask them to be on the show. And I was like, yeah, brilliant. Again, you know, I started talking to them and I was just like, oh yeah, do you want to come on the podcast and everything? And the guy, his name's Kazuhira, he was like, yeah, yeah, sure, sure. And I was like, oh, I didn't expect to get this far. I'm not going to lie. But that was a fantastic interview because again, I love just getting people on from... different backgrounds because don't get me wrong the more the merrier if they're from podcasting or streaming or whatnot but it's just great to get that variety in there of course after that we had two back -to -back months we had avatar month and mario month and i think the reason we did avatar month so soon was this was around the time that andrew had to take his hiatus from the podcast because he was preparing for the birth of his son that's a pretty fair excuse yeah pretty lame isn't it
Speaker: For legal reasons, that's a joke. I admit the coyotes very lovely. So that was interesting because again, it's like when you look at the list, it's just such a time capsule to go, oh yeah, that's the time where Adam had to set back or that's the time when Andrew died or, you know, it was just, it was really interesting because then right after that, we had Mario month, which again, it's weird because for Avatar month, it was really structured. You know, we talked about Avatar, The Last Airbender. We talked about The Legend of Korra. We talked about the live action film and then we ended. with a trivia quiz, which I feel as if this was the period where the trivia quiz was starting to outstay its welcome. Because you and I, of course, did talking about Super Mario Odyssey, talking about the latest film at the time, talking about living in the Mario universe, which is one of my favourites as well. And then after that, we did the very first, as you were mentioning before, the very first episode of Chatsu Cafe, where we streamed it once again live on Twitch. Yeah, that was such a good run for us. I really enjoyed those Mario. ones and then yeah being on the cafe once again was a good bit of fun good bit of nostalgia you know going back to what we did beforehand and just kind of revisit it all it was really good i really enjoyed it it's also just nice just to hang out and chat with you for a bit absolutely and i do love those episodes i have to say where it is just we've not really got a major topic we just kind of go through things and say yeah how was your day yeah fine thanks i think i got threatened by an author there's always something going on man oh there always is every week it's like well let me tell you and then after that yeah you've got a trio of amazing interviews i had a youtuber who does a lot of gaming content i don't have a nose i always make a stroke to say his words not mine but genuinely that's the name of the channel i don't have a nose katie she who is again a fantastic vtuber and fellow scott as well so bonus points and then i also had and this is one i was kind of worried about the eureka investigative urban fantasy group who they did a tabletop game and they talked about the king of not ethics but you know the kind of thoughts about what makes a good tabletop game and the ideas around dnd and whatnot yeah it was really interesting the game is also interesting definitely go check them out after this but then of course that leads us on to animation month which i forgot that andrew was on of course it was so it stayed on just a little bit longer that was amazing you finally got to talk about piss and boots in the last dish we talked about wallace and gromit which i listened to recently love that episode detective pikachu you as well that andrew and i talked about your name and the emperor's new groove so fantastic i had a wee moan about doctor who so now real quick just be your name when i was gutted to not be on that it was just the way things had worked out with the scheduling but i'd actually watched the film about a month before so maybe that's fun to read is it oh that is the worst isn't it well i mean i haven't done the oh what's the one where the guy turns into a chair susie me susie me i it might be yeah it is susie me oh let's get that done we could do that one to be honest yeah that was a great one but i just loved that month i'm a wee bit disappointed that and again this isn't a reflection to the lovely pandalurians listening or anything but it does again upset it's a strong word but i get discouraged see when i see a month that i think oh this is going to be great and everything and then it doesn't do like it's not a bad performing month by any means but it didn't do as well as i thought it would and i don't know if it's because it's just so varied or the name's just too generic or what not but I mean they still did great and there are some of my favourite episodes you know as I said the Wallace and Gromit one's great the Emperor's New Groove one's great as well it is honestly just a fantastic month plus I love the pun and a major month I think as well you're always going to get these things and it's the same across any kind of content that you put your heart and soul into and you love it and you think this one's going to be an absolute doozy and it does okay and then as we're probably going to discuss pretty soon you'll do one that you're like ah let's do this episode and it becomes the most popular episode you ever do I can see at the top. And we're reading it very soon, so... ah Right after that, as I said, I did, like, a massive rant about... And again, this is something I want to draw a quick aside to, but I hate doing overly negative episodes, see, unless I've got a particular point to make. Because I've talked about that before, kind of half -jokingly, about people saying that I do a podcast, that I don't edit, I do it raw and everything. And the reason that I don't like a lot of those podcasts, other than, obviously, the fact they don't edit their back audio, is the fact... that a lot of them are usually overly negative, but it's not negative to be constructive. It's usually like, oh, this is bad, blah, blah, blah. I mean, I don't know about you, Martin, but it does feel quite draining to but listen to that constantly. So to do an episode like that, I think it was just because I felt so passionate about the time, what went wrong with that particular series, that I went, you know what, I have to say something. Yeah, I try not to be negative because I feel as if whenever I try to be negative, you just pull me out and go, none of that, here's a minion. I think it's important to be negative sometimes you don't want to be like that toxic positivity where nothing can go wrong but I do think that's something that I quite enjoy about chat tsunamis we typically talk about things we like but I do think it's important especially with something like Doctor Who where it's something we love and you know we've got a lot of love for it I think that's kind of what makes it a bit more valid to have episodes that are bad on it you know what I mean like or negative as you say because we do have a lot of love for it and we don't like with what happened with the show you know it's not like we're just tourists I don't know if that's the right word but you know people that aren't away Look at you with the slime. Thank you. ah Yeah, I opened Twitter the other day.
Speaker: Sorry. Come in and intentionally be negative just to be negative. I think a lot of our stuff comes from places I love. I like to think so anyway. No, absolutely. As I say, if I'm negative about something, then there's a good reason for it. It's not that I'm going to target something specifically to be like, I hate this, I hate that, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, even after that, the second episode of Chatsu Cafe came out and that was with Andrew, I think. Yeah, it was. It was with Andrew. I do love the Chatsu Cafe episodes. I do really want to do more of them because there's a lot of episodes I think we've done that technically would constitute this Chatsu Cafe episode. Yeah, but I love that idea because when I started the podcast and as I kind of grew to understand what I wanted from it, I always wanted that kind of vibe of it's a conversation between friends or just very friendly people just chatting away about a particular topic. And it's basically like a chat over a cup of tea, if you know what I mean. You're that way. when you've got a friend and it's like, oh, put the kettle on and, you know, you have a tea or you have a can of Coke that you open in the mic. I wouldn't do that. That doesn't fit me at all. You wouldn't make me jump.
Speaker: No, no, it doesn't sound like me. I'm looking around, waiting to find a can. I hope it's closed. It's like those old piracy adverts. You wouldn't open a can on the podcast. But then after that, yeah, you've got the Ova Magica review, which again, I am so sorry it took so long. Honestly, that is one of those games that I thought, yeah, I'll sink a couple of hours. And then it was like, I wonder how many hours I actually have put in. And it's like 70 hours. Oh my God. Then there was the interview with Sawyerism where we talked about, again, the positive. and negatives of fandom then i got to talk to another fantastic indie game developer valiant game studio who made creature kind and usually when i get a copy of the game to play and review i always try to be positive but then i also try to ask the developers if they want to come on the show to talk about it then they're more than welcome to because when i do that i don't know whether developers again i'm talking about more small indie developers i don't know whether they're kind of hesitant to come on the podcast Because if it's a, I don't want to say like a gotcha, but do you know that way? Like once it'll say, come on, and then they're, yeah, overly negative or something. Yeah, and as well as that, as someone that has a background in software themselves, software engineers aren't always the most social people. So you have to kind of coax out them a wee bit as well. So that's something that you have to do. And then, of course, after that, I've got potentially what's one of my favourite episodes. And I don't mean that in a funny episode. This isn't an episode I would ever introduce someone to Chatsanami. I have to say, this is the one episode you have to listen to. And that, of course, is when I decided to do an episode about the issue of harassment against female content creators. Because I think at the time, and obviously it's been going on since you and I were young, even on the Xbox 360 days and whatnot, but it was happening a lot more at that time. And there was a lot of articles and whatnot. And I reached out to Mary Ann from the Cold Case Kansas podcast. Absolutely lovely person, by the way. And she said, yeah, sure. i'll do an episode with you and it was really interesting deep diving into that and obviously i don't want to make too many of those kind of episodes because you don't want chats and army to be bogged down in those really serious and quite heavy -hitting issues but at the same time i feel as if at once every so often essay episodes would be quite positive and especially on subjects like that where it's you know something that's super important and something that's affecting all of us i think it's an important one to do but yeah it is at the same time not the easiest to listen to a positive sense you know it's confrontational so yeah you can't base your entire podcast over it but at the same time it is important to do things like that and i just want to give a huge shout out to all the female content creators that did contribute their own testimonies and things because i reached out to quite a few that i knew and i genuinely didn't expect the level of feedback that i got for it because genuinely i was like oh i don't know and i mean admittedly some accounts were definitely harder than others you were listening to and it's not a competition but it was It's just that it was really heartbreaking to hear it. But again, it's important to draw attention to it, but I know exactly what you mean. It's not something really that is easy listening. Again, back to the whiplash, you go from that to a review of Sonic the Hedgehog 3, which I feel as if there's probably a reason why that episode didn't do as well when it came out. They listened to that episode and they're like, God, is this episode going to be just as serious? It's like, no, it's about Sonic. And then I got to talk to the other Dan from... gaming views which was an amazing episode as well and then i'm gonna let you take it away for that episode It's time for that episode. The most listened to episode of Chats and Ami. One of my favourite films of 2025. This is what it sounds like. Let's discuss K -pop demon hunters featuring my stereo moth. And not me.
Speaker: Now, this was one of the episodes that genuinely I had a plethora of people because there's so many topics where it's like, genuinely, I'll go to you and be like, oh, do you want to talk about this? And you're like, sorry. It's like, sorry, but no, get out of my house. No, but it's like, sorry, you know, I don't know enough about this topic or I don't want to talk about it. And then I go to Andrew, he says the same thing, get out of my house. And then, you know, we go back and forth and I'm like, okay, I managed. get someone for it k -pop demon hunters even andrew came up to me and was like i can't believe you didn't ask me i'm like why is everybody suddenly want to do a k -pop episode and again this was wild because it did relatively well the first couple of days and i was like all right okay and then i think it was the first week i was like oh great this has reached 100 plays or close enough to that and as i said i was away up north on holiday and i was sitting there checking my phone and then i was like right okay it's going to 100 it's gone to 200 and then i kept checking it and then eventually it overtook the chenebio episodes and it went to 500 600 it got to a thousand and i was like okay it's gonna peak at a thousand nope still kept going to 2 .1 thousand plays which see ever since then no episode has come that close and i don't know why again i think it's an amazing episode wisteria was absolutely as always she was fantastic on the episode but i don't get why that again it's the randomness of it isn't it I do think it was right on the zeitgeist of K -pop Demon Hunters. It was everywhere. You could not go anywhere without hearing Golden. I dressed up as Rumi for the Comic Con. I think that was like a week after that. It was completely and utterly everywhere. But I think what's interesting about K -pop Demon Hunters is that it kept growing quite naturally. Yeah. I think that's kind of what helped the podcast. It wasn't like a... I don't know how to explain it. You know when a film comes out like, I don't know, Endgame Avengers and it's like that first week it was out was the highest grossing week I ever had and that's the end of it. Well, K -pop Demon Hunters had this weird... word of mouth super trend where it only got bigger as the weeks went on I'd love to know the viewing habits for it but it felt like after one week it was twice as popular as it was the week before and you know it kept getting more and more popular I think that definitely helps with something like the podcast where it's like you just got in at the right time everything was exploding around it it was just and I want to say right place right time because that's not fair in a lot of the other episodes but a lot of it was everyone was talking about it you were already out with an episode what really confused me as well is I have done episodes a week after or a couple of days after, whether it's a game, a film or whatnot. And they never usually take off. So that was quite surprising. Like I expected maybe a couple more lessons or plays, but yeah, this genuinely took me well by surprise. I was like, hmm, I should do more K -pop Demon Hunter. Shame there's only been one. But then right after that, we did another Pods Back collaboration. And I think it's something Alex from the Game Club pod actually pointed out where it was like, well, the reason K -pop demon hunters did better than bioshock month is bioshock is like a 20 year old game yeah no it's quite on the up and up well very true i used to know what was in that was a fantastic month as well i really enjoyed going back to discuss the games and also we discussed the dlc as like a kind of separate episode which was a lot of fun but again i feel sorry for alex who he got stuck with one of the most controversial dlcs but see the 250th episode again i keep saying oh it's one of my favorite episodes but genuinely i adore that episode because it's just pure chaos you've got luke from the howdy beans podcast you've got robotic battle toaster you've got dan from gaming views you've got alex from the game there's literally one point where the conversation derails and they start talking about bioshock cocktails again it's that what i was saying before that chilled out atmosphere just chatting with friends and everything absolutely love it i think it was just such an incredible episode because it is kind of a partly what would it be like loving in the bioshock universe but i never really framed it as that so instead it's just like a very general conversation but then of course that leads us into oh god but this is the finale essentially all of season five going into season six and that is the very first time that i got invited to epic comic -con fan frontiers con of course where i was officially a content creator there and i know obviously they've got lots of content creators there that go around and they do amazing work but i mean i was terrified wasn't i yeah you almost didn't apply and i had to kind of pull in the screen behind you but yeah you almost didn't apply and i had to kind of be like by the way it's a good chance a pretty good thing of what they're looking for right now and yeah we were very lucky you were very lucky to get it but you put a lot of work in i think it's been really cool for me to see you getting to do that and as i mentioned before you know you're a totally different person you were when first started it and there was a moment for me i don't know if i mentioned this on the episode at the time but there was a moment where you spoke to my coach wolfgang just sort of outside the thing and i was like what a surreal moment for me that this interaction is happening in front of my eyes you know and just a really funny time and yeah no i'm super proud of you for doing that because it was even now out of your comfort zone but i think it's like the episode came out of it i really enjoyed doing and you obviously got invited back as well you're one of the permanent content creators now which is really really cool it's really cool but i'm gonna be honest i didn't expect it because i was sitting there checking my emails and you know you and i were talking going we're gonna go to power calling or we're not back and forth i think you were already making plans i was genuinely teetering on the fence thinking ah nah maybe i'll just stick to working on the podcast at home and then i got the email from them being like hey content creator what a great content i was like that's a click this link yeah because i had to send you and i was like is this real and yeah of course fortunately it was real but no that was a surreal experience as well because it was like yeah i just i didn't expect that as of this point in the podcast i genuinely didn't expect us to be standing in the middle of Comic -Con and talking to all these different people there who all share the same interests and being able to use the podcast as a way to be like, oh, check out this, check out that. And I've met some amazing artists here in the artist alley and whatnot because that is something that I always do. If I buy something, then I'll give them, and I have to renew my packs at this rate, but I will give them a packet with my business card in it, a sticker and a pin. Sometimes they'll immediately follow. That's amazing. and then sometimes they might not which again is also okay it's not obligated for me to hand it over and be like you have to follow this or else I'm coming back kind of like what a threat I'm coming back to your shop to buy more stuff don't make me buy this
Speaker: But it's fantastic meeting them and getting to see their passion for what they do. Absolutely love artist allies. I'm not going to lie. They're my favourite part of Comic -Con as well. What I also love is, I feel as if I'm the most oblivious person in these cons, where it's like you'll point someone out and be like, oh, that's so -and -so. And he might be one of the most famous people on the wrestling sphere or something. And I'm like, oh, okay. I have no idea what that is, but I'm happy to meet you. do if That happens a lot with me. I think I know fairly a lot of the anime and then I go to these conventions and I don't recognise half the cosplayers. Yeah. And it's like, okay, it turns out I just don't know that much about the culture. I mean, there's a lot less Deadpool people than there used to be. True. And speaking of... No, I'm only joking. We haven't done a Deadpool episode, but yeah, this actually brings us on to season six. And of course, this is the final stretch, but kicking it off in October, we had Resident Evil month. Again, you're going to hear the phrase, say the lines. I do love that. month absolutely love listening to it again i've been pushing myself in my comfort zone to try and do more solo episodes and i don't want the podcast entirely way to be just me talking but yeah i talked about the beauty of the first resident evil remake you know i talked to luke from the howdy beans podcast dan from gaming views joey from the game cop pod and then adam made an appearance and then disappeared back into the sandwich void again and then what was really cool i also did a solo episode right after that because i wanted to talk about soma which again was a really heavy episode but what was really cool about resident evil month was i'd only intended to do five episodes for it and friend of the channel as i was saying back in the season one discussion bad games jewels she said oh i really like the revelations games like one and two if you need to anybody to come on to talk about them i'll come on and i was like yeah sure why not and it was a wee bit worried because It had been so long since she'd been on the podcast, so I was like, I don't know if the episode's going to go well, but it was one of the best episodes ever. I'm not going to lie. It was just a laugh a minute. See, because of that episode, you know that episode is the reason why we have a David Cage month. Oh, really? Yeah. Just off the back of that conversation. Absolutely, yeah. That's so funny. Yeah, because during in the episode, I can't remember, I think Jules had said Revelations 2 is like the Beyond Two Souls of Resident Evil, and then... kind of snowballed from there and jokingly she said oh yeah have you ever won someone on for a david cage month and it kind of stewed in the back of my mind i was like no i've got to get jules on absolutely worth it and then of course we had our five -year celebration last november where i finally that we talked my partner into coming on the podcast which can ask you were you shocked when you finally found out that i'd convinced her to come on
Speaker: Yeah, I guess we've seen what it's done for you. So it's a next level. But then when you told me the topic you guys were doing, I was like, oh, I would blow the budget on this one. Oh, absolutely. Honestly, I loved that episode because the initial plan was I brought the mics to China, by the way. That's how dedicated I was. So I went over and I was like, right, OK, we're going to go to Shanghai. And then we, well, we recorded ourselves talking about the trip. But then when we got to the other places, we just didn't really have an opportunity to sit down and talk to them. bikes and plus a lot of the hotels who went into the walls were quite thin and i don't think they would have appreciated someone like me going what's up guys coming from beijing china it's like no i think they would have kicked me out the hotel so i was like yeah no maybe not so we had to come back and there was a lot that we recorded back home but it was a fantastic trip to be quite honest it was just like a bonus taking advantage of being over there and seeing the sights and everything and yeah getting to travel over there with my girlfriend so So yeah, fantastic. And hopefully Miss Tsunami will come back. eventually onto the podcast hell yeah then of course wrapping up we've got the christmas episodes red one standing by the r1 amazing oh yeah we did home alone as well i keep forgetting that that was the first time we talked about home alone oh yeah and bad christmas songs as well because i remember andrew was like oh do you want to talk about home alone one and two and it's like no let's split them up let's not and then our final episode of the year was the christmas specials for the simpsons where we talked about the first and last and i really enjoyed that episode i have to i don't know if you listened to that one but it was andrew and i talked about simpsons roasting in an open fire the very first episode of the simpsons versus the latest one where ned has a crisis of faith yeah no i really enjoyed it simpsons is definitely one that it's fun to do that with as well it's such a big difference it was a great idea i thought it was pretty inspired and then of course i can't believe this is the lineup for 2026 we've got a two -part episode starring marie from the we needed roads podcast where we talked about the pros and cons of ai do you know that is practically the longest episode of chat tsunami on the technicality so long you did actually have to split it into it was four hours geez well it was the raw audio was four hours but if i kept it into one episode it would have been yeah about three hours i think yeah just roughly three hours but no i had to split it up because that is an unwritten rule that i think i'm going to do going forward that if it's two hours max that's relatively okay but looking up at the time bar for this one right now it's so late i'm not gonna expect people to listen to the equivalent of the extended edition of lord of the rings so nah probably not but then after that of course i mean that ai episode that was a heavy one as well because it started quite upbeat and aha ai is terrible isn't it and then at the end it was just like this existential crisis of oh my god we're doing Yeah. And then we had our cameo episode as well, didn't we? Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed that. It was something a bit different. It reminded me a lot of when we did the food reviews episode. A bit of a laugh and take a bit of fun. And then, yeah, we had the third episode of Chatsy Cafe, which we need to return to. Talking about Kevin can bleep himself, which again, you go from that where it's like, oh, that's a relatively serious show. And then anyway, let's talk about Little Gator Game, which was honestly such a fun game to play. And then talking about Quantic. Dream Month with Jules as well. That was so much fun to record. But I feel as if, see the last two episodes, did you notice that as well? The last two episodes seem to have done really well. And then the first two episodes of it, they've not done terribly, but I don't really understand what's going on. In fairness, especially Fahrenheit is such a distant memory for me now. Troy Become Human's one that I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that game. You know what I mean? Even if you look at your graphics for it for the month, that's the game that you parodied. So it's like, there is a split in where the game's going to line up now. And oh my God, that's actually near the end. The other one that I had here was the interview with the one and only Taronic, who was the co -founder of Sonic Paradox. And Sonic Paradox was this animation group that did all the fan animations and things that were very ingrained into the old Sonic community back in the day. And it was so surreal seeing that group and then messaging them and then seeing them follow me. And I was like, hey, thanks for the follow. Anyway. He took him on. Honestly, he was such a lovely guy. But again, it's that surreal nature of sitting there going, did I just talk to someone who was involved in something that I grew up with? You know that way? Oh, it was amazing. And then, of course, the last few episodes were us returning back to PowerCon for Fan Frontier. That was an amazing experience, wasn't it? Yeah, it was brilliant. And it's like, just kind of, as you were saying, about being invited back as a content creator for a second time and it was good vibes and we got to record again. But yeah, it's just lovely being back. Really kind that they invited me. back and I'm hoping that's something we can just keep doing. Oh no absolutely as long as they'll have us back to be honest I swear I won't harass any of the artists at Artist Alley to be like listen to my podcast. But no all joking aside it's been fantastic to work with them and it's fantastic to have the opportunity to yeah use the podcast to promote such a great con because let's face it I wouldn't be doing the content creation work for them or I wouldn't be going if I didn't believe they weren't doing good work but they absolutely are so absolutely. fantastic and of course the final two episodes we have are the wonder man review which i have to say took andrew and i a while to get this one out well i say andrew a while it's me who's in charge of editing so it's like yeah great episode but yeah just took a while i had to keep pushing it back and back and of course the resident evil requiem one which that was a long episode to record for so i'm just glad it's done and yeah i cannot believe that is six seasons of chat tsunami and as i said this episode will be the 28th episode of season six so yeah we've only got what 22 episodes left don't we until the season ends it's time time keeps ticking away because i mean this is my final point i swear but again i don't want to sound like david lynchian to say i want to try something more experimental and whatnot but i do want to keep trying different things with the podcast and push ourselves out of not too far out the sphere of comfort but enough so that it'll least each season feels distinctive would you say that overall looking back at the podcast that each season has its own distinctive vibe yeah maybe not vibe but growth i feel like each season is different and that new things get brought in and we try new things and news kind of themes i kind of mentioned at the start i kind of like the different genres of almost recording things have increased in different ways what a journey i haven't listened to all that and chatted about the different episodes and stuff and it has been an amazing time six years in the making who knows what we'll do next knows what you'll do next we should say i'm just here doing what you want to do but there's a lot of cool things you've done so far and i think there's a lot of cool things to come it's just trying to find out what those niches are and what's going to be fun to do next to be honest and not to get too morbid to be like i don't know where the podcast is going to go but genuinely it's that feeling of thinking there's so many podcasts that i've met online and i've been like oh this is an incredible podcast i can't wait to see where you go from here and then a couple of months later they say oh no i'm quitting For whatever reasons. And that is perfectly justified. But it's weird to see. Because that's exactly how I felt about streaming. That you saw all of these creators. That they started as a mainstay of your routine. And then all of a sudden it's like. They're no longer going live. They're not posting anything. And nowadays you might see them post the occasional thing. It reminds me of. And I can't believe this is the one I'm thinking of. But when I talked to Naf Gaines ages ago. He was a guy who lived in China for a while. then he moved back to the UK and he did a lot of streaming on Twitch at the time. I remember him saying something along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing here, but something along the lines of, I'm not always going to be doing this forever. You know, I'm eventually going to move on. I'm going to do something else. And it's that idea as well, looking at Chat Tsunami of thinking, what is the next step from here? Because I think that we've done a good job of keeping it relatively fresh without spinning the wheels, if that makes sense. obviously that comes with being a variety podcast and a lot of the things are a lot more similar but I know it sounds really pretentious to say there's a fusion between the old and the new of the podcast but do you feel that way that we've taken a bit of each old season and kind of kept it going forward but then also adapting it into something new? Yeah 100 % and I think just as an example bringing back the Chatsu Cafe was kind of like a nod back to season one in a way and you know that was a lot of fun and doing the sort of more light -hearted stuff as well so it has been a mix but i do want to come back to something you're saying about what is the overall goal for the podcast but one thing as we've gone back along this and it's been quite fun to chat about it all but i think that we've mentioned a lot you've mentioned a lot it's just how much fun you've had and how much connections you've made in terms of genuine human connection not as in you know political connection but all the fun we've had and the different things we've got to do because of it and obviously you want to keep expanding and keep coming up with new ideas but we don't need a destination when we're enjoying ourselves and I think that's something that's helped keep us going especially keep you going when a lot of podcasts and streamers and stuff have disappeared is that it is fun we're having a bit of a giggle aren't we it's serious serious work at the same time but it's always there for a bit of light -hearted fun a bit of a pick -me -up because I do think it is interesting that a lot of people seem to think and I've spoke about this ad nauseum in many many episodes but there's a lot of creators that think oh a podcast is super easy because you just stick on the microphone you talk into the mic that's it that is all you have to do to become a successful podcaster obviously the basics of that is well yeah obviously you have to speak into a microphone but I think what people seem to really underestimate is the fact that a lot of people don't understand that their voice can have so much weight for Chatsanami I don't envision and I could totally be wrong maybe this will be the year that it changes and we suddenly become multi -millionaires link link patreon .com forward slash chatsanami Make it happen. But, you know, it's like people think, oh, they're going to get rich and everything off of the podcast. But honestly, if I manage to make even one person's day better by them listening to the podcast, I mean, I'm obviously not going to know that, but at least I'll know I'm doing something right there. I've made something that it's not overly controversial. It's not going to have hard hitting geopolitics or anything or controversial talking points. It's just simply a conversation between friends. And as you said, I have loved every moment of the journey. I've loved being able to spend time with you, especially and Andrew and Adam and whatnot. But I mean, I think a huge shout out has to go to yourself, Martin, because without you on this journey, I mean, I had a lot of self -doubt at the beginning thinking, oh, I don't know whether to do this, whether to do that. And you always nudged me in the right way to say, well, give it a go. If that doesn't work, try this, try that. I mean a huge shout out to you let's face it because I wouldn't be here without your encouragement and I'm not just saying that because the PayPal check just cleared but genuinely I wouldn't be here so yeah massive thank you to you that goes to of course everybody who's starting a podcast get yourself a Martin well it's true though which you can now order no we can't that's how we become millionaires hire us out hire out a Funko version with five different phrases but no man just to kind of go back and I wouldn't do it if i didn't enjoy it i didn't think you were getting a lot of it and we were getting a lot of it you know i've hinted at it a few times as we've gone on but it's been so much fun watching the change in you as a person and you've gone from strength to strength the satsunami at the start this was a totally different guy than he is today and the things that you've done that i don't think you would have done six years ago you know you know five years ago whatever i think it's helped you in lots of different aspects of life that's been super cool i have nudged you i've noticed you a lot but i think 100 yeah typically we've gone in the direction that i think you would have gone in anyway hopefully I don't think I've ever forced you out of your comfort zone but I've pushed you out of it I don't think you've ever been I don't know hopefully not but I don't think we've ever gone too far with it or we've done something that we've regretted which I think is a good sign like everything's kind of worked out fun that we've done maybe you're thinking to yourself absolutely not never recording another episode in a car again but I think everything we've pushed ourselves to do kind of worked out and that's exciting because even with the episodes that have gone wrong and I use that very loosely because there's not really many episodes that we've had to scrap there was one episode i think i've spoke about this in one of the it was either one of the anniversary episodes or the milestone episodes where in fact i know the one that was it was the one where you and andrew and i talked about again it must have been a milestone one but i did a chatsunami themed quiz and i was saying what episodes we'd got rid of and a couple of them were because of technical issues um like the perfect blue one there was a death note adjacent episode as well unfortunately ever saw here there was a interview with another streamer i think it was ab baby or something you know it was a great interview but as soon as i did that interview either reach out and say hey hold off i'm going off on a hiatus so maybe don't release it and again it's one of these ones that kept getting pushed back and back and back and even for editing the episodes i think there's maybe only been one or two times where i've had to edit out something again not overly controversial but something that it might be a joke where i'm thinking really fit the tone yeah or it's not really appropriate again it's not something that would be overly controversial but again when you re -listen to it you think that is unfortunately my job it's the person who edits records and publishes all of it because chat tsunami is reflective in a way of the wider group and that's why i think initially i was hesitant this is the saucy truth martin why i was slightly hesitant to say oh martin is a co -host because in a heartbeat obviously you are the one that helped to kick off Chatsunami to begin with. At the time when you'd come on to do the odd episode or two, you were still building yourself up and you've done fantastically, but you are building yourself up as a wrestler, winning belts and whatnot, beating people up at Comic -Con within the ring. Sorry. Important clarification. Yeah. But you know, you were doing all these amazing things and don't get me wrong, Chatsunami is never going to be that controversial, but you were making your name for yourself there. I didn't want you to be known as, oh, it's Martin McAllister, the co -host of Chats and Ami. You were Martin McAllister, the one who was beating the streak and everything and the one who was winning all these championships and never giving up and everything. So it wasn't until you asked him, like, hey, are you sure I'm not a co -host? I'm like, oh my God, it's fine. It's okay. We can clarify. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. That was like a phew moment. Whereas Andrew, yeah, he doesn't get that choice. He was becoming a co -host when he wanted to, I know. Adam, Andrew. Oh, the chubby and the sandwich get in here. Yeah, absolutely. But I can't believe, honestly, and I know you're sick of me probably saying that, saying, oh, it's been nearly six years since the podcast started. This is year five of the podcast. And I honestly, I can't believe it. Year five going into year six, we have 100 ,000 K plays. Yeah, we are approaching the 300th episode. So I'm going to have to get Tony Hawk on for that one. I have to say that is one thing for any aspiring podcast. worry about rejection for guests and things because there's been several that i've asked people to come on to the podcast i don't know if i've told you that i've asked an actor to come on and everything and i got nothing back from them again they have no obligation to come on it's not like me going oh how dare they that is totally their decision but again it's that idea that you start to learn these things that you know what if things don't work out the way you planned it then you go a different direction with the podcast or yeah 100 % with an episode you go back and forth and yeah and again I'm stealing your quote here but it is about growth isn't it 100 % yeah you have to get used to failure and getting rejected and stuff it's just a way of any kind of arts and crafts at the end of the day and yeah before we wrap up I've got one more question for you see for the future of chat tsunami is there any particular episodes theme months is there anything you hope to do totally not getting my pen and paper I feel like we should have done this offline line of food just more of the fun stuff as i said everything's been great and you know i loved the watch alongs and i've loved the car episodes and i think that's what i'm good at is that kind of stuff well i think other people are more prepared more intelligible when it comes to longer drawn out thought out content so yeah that's what i want i'd love to do more of that and yeah just i want to see you keep experimenting keep trying new things and see where it leads because the only place is to continue going up i think oh no i can't wait to see i'm just trying to think because honestly we've actually got a list of the months and ideas that we've got in the pipeline. Because I mean, I remember once saying, oh yeah, let's do a Shrek month. And then, of course, the powers that be at DreamWorks said, Chaz and Ami's doing a theme month in December about Shrek. Let's move the date back. They heard. Yeah, totally. It's not because of internal development difficulties. No, no, no. They heard. They knew. But no, all joking aside, I'll definitely be looking at that list again. And yeah, I'll be looking at everything else to see what we can do because it's been a fantastic journey. And again, not to sound too morbid, I don't know how long the journey will last as it were with the podcast. Hopefully it will last for another five years, possibly 10. I think there might be changes if there are, but you know, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But until then, yeah, this has been Chat Tsunami, the 100 ,000th played. episode martin thank you so much for joining and yeah thank you so much for going through each episode yeah no it's been a blast it's been quite nostalgic thanks for having me on yeah no problem before we wrap up and yeah get a well -deserved rest after talking for so long where could these amazing pandalodons at home find your content you can find me across all the socials but mainly instagram and tiktok at martin mccallister if you search me up i will appear follow me for a set of updates about my wrestling life and the podcasts I turn up on and yeah mainly stuff about Chatsanami that's me I have to admit whenever I see you at another podcast I do that you know the meme mouth open pointing at the screen going oh it's Martin shout out to Scottish Wrestling Network yeah my boys oh amazing podcaster yeah if you want to check out more episodes from ourselves then you can check us out at our website chatsanami .com as well as all good podcast apps I also want to thank our amazing Pandalorian patrons who have supported us during this Journey, Robotic Battle Toaster, Ghost Day, and Cryptic 1991. Thank you so, so much for supporting us. It honestly means the world. And if you would like access to bonus content, behind the scenes, bloopers, and our commentary tracks, as we were talking about, then you can check us out at our Patreon page, patreon .com forward slash chat tsunami. This podcast is, of course, a proud member of the Podpack Collective. For more information, check us out at our Twitter slash X page at Podpack Collect. But until next time, thank you all so, so much for joining. us in this podcasting journey has been absolutely fantastic and yeah we can't wait to deliver more episodes to you so without any further ado stay safe stay awesome and most importantly do you want to finish it martin stay listening to the podcast and stay hydrated
