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Speaker: The high speed chase took the officer into multiple counties at speeds nearing 120 miles per hour. He knew this car by heart. The driver was one who taunted the police quite often. Today was just another example.
Speaker: Would this be the final straw? The one time when the driver would be caught, arrested, and have to pay a penalty strong enough so incidents like this wouldn't happen again? What would it take for that to actually happen? The officer wasn't sure. The driver of the speeding vehicle on the other hand was likely cocky. After all, I feel like you'd have to be to taunt the police like he so often did.
Speaker: Again, he would get away with his actions. The officer would never catch him because one, he was crossing county lines and two, he knew exactly where he was headed and the winding back roads to get him there safely to his family's property. Let the officer just try. But there was another thing the driver of the vehicle knew that the officer didn't.
Speaker: The driver had two additional passengers in his Honda Accord. Two passengers who, it seems, were unwilling participants in the situation they found themselves in. Two passengers who called 911 and friends for help in the aftermath of the chase.
Speaker: and horrifically and inexplicably, two passengers who were never seen nor heard from again. This is the story of Molly Miller and Colt Haynes.
Speaker: Oh.
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Speaker: I think we're going to understand it a little bit better anyway than a lot of people. The mentality of those who are involved in it. A pretty good small -town life. I mean, yeah. Let's just be honest. It involves teens and young adults, which is what we are used to teaching. So we have a little insight there, too, into how they act and react. Well, sometimes. Sometimes we're just as flabbergasted as individuals.
Speaker: But what happened to Molly and Colt Maggie is something that I don't think we will ever understand. So let me just clarify for you listeners.
Speaker: Just because Maggie and I attempt to understand the motives, the actions, the psyche of those involved, both the victims and the perpetrator, it doesn't mean that this case is any less tragic or mind boggling. How something like the details I'm going to describe to you can occur. Now, for those of you who don't know, small town life is far different than that of the big city. Yes.
Speaker: And I grew up, and Maggie, you can share where you grew up, but I grew up in Grayson, Kentucky, and then moved to Greenup, Kentucky. And both of those are super small towns, and they're about the same size. Grayson's slightly larger and Greenup's slightly smaller than a town at the center of this week's episode, Wilson, Oklahoma, which had like fewer than 2 ,000 people.
Speaker: I think the town that I grew up in, so I grew up in Pikeville, Kentucky or Pikeville, Kentucky, if you're a native, um, I think it is like maybe that it might be just a little bit bigger. I mean, it's not huge. I mean, we were super excited when we got like a hobby lobby, so we're not like massive. Yeah. Yeah. When you get like,
Speaker: McDonald's and Walmart like you're getting off there. I will be the first to admit that I've never been to Oklahoma. So I haven't either. Yeah so I don't I don't know that what I'm getting ready to say applies there as well but from the sound of the research that I did small town life seems to be fairly similar no matter in which state the town is located. Yeah I agree. I think it kind of moves slower and
Speaker: Just the pace is a lot different. Yeah. And what's crazy about that slowness is at times it's both a blessing and a curse. Like I think the slowness can be beautiful, right? It's more time to spend with your family, your friends, and you don't have like the rush of what to do and where to go because there's really no place to go.
Speaker: Yeah, nothing to do. You know what I mean? Right, so you end up spending like a lot of time outside like usually the lake, the river, field parties. In Carter County there's Carter Caves, so I had some caves to go explore.
Speaker: or like spend time in your grandma's garden or climbing trees or that sort of thing. But the downside, the curse, is that I feel like when there's a lack of things to keep people busy, there's also this tendency to just sit around and talk about other people. Yes. You know, like. So I feel like in a small town, either you're the person who knows everybody or you know someone who knows everybody.
Speaker: And so I don't feel like there's a lot of secrets. Instead, there's a lot of gossip. Agree. Yeah, I definitely agree. Let me be like, oh, that's Sarah's cousin's ex -boyfriend's sister. And she, you know, used to work here, but, you know, she got fired because this happened and this happened. And it's like they know. Oh, Lord, honey, that's her third husband. She was married, blah, blah, blah, before that.
Speaker: and then yeah and so then you'll come in and they're like oh you know you know bill he's this person's third cousin who showed up you know this is what mall town life is like for those of you who don't know
Speaker: And I feel like I should say like clarify something right here too, because I said in a small town, there aren't a lot of secrets. And what I really mean is that there aren't a lot of secrets among those who live in the small town, but to an outsider, there are tons.
Speaker: There seems to be like this palpable and innate fear in small towns that like an outsider is going to be looking to take advantage or to destroy what's beautiful about that small town either by development, urban sprawl, or by like breaking down relationships that generation after generation of families have spent building like the examples that we just talked about. And so I feel like that's another trait of small town life is that fear of the outsider.
Speaker: Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. I mean, cause like, I even know like when I pull into like the, um, Holler, which for those of you who are not from Eastern Kentucky is a small community of people that live in between two mountains called a hollow, but we pronounce it Holler.
Speaker: And then people will be like, if I don't know their car, I'm like, mom, whose car is that? Like if I don't recognize it. Right. Yeah. Cause you know, you know, everybody that lives there. And I feel like that's what makes cases in small towns. So difficult to solve too, because you know, the victims and I'm sure you feel this immense sadness for them and their family, but it's also likely that, you know, the perpetrator.
Speaker: And then you're quiet because either you know exactly what the perpetrator is capable of and you're scared yourself or because, you know, these outsiders who are brought in to solve the case are outsiders for whom there's this distrust. And so I feel like it's almost like this, you know, catch 22, this little blue situation.
Speaker: And I mean, I get it. I've seen it. Even though sometimes the very thing actually that's tearing a small town apart, though, is its own like insular identity. Like I know a lot of small towns, there's problems with drug use or abuse or I mean, that's everywhere. And I think like sometimes push back to grow. Like sometimes people are afraid to grow.
Speaker: Yeah. And I feel like with those problems in small towns, it's there, but no one wants to admit that it's there. And so it's kind of allowed to grow. And I think a lot of small towns don't realize that really the danger is within and not without. Yeah, I agree. And Maggie, such is the case today. This small town in Oklahoma, like any other,
Speaker: was not without its problems. On July 7th, 2013, 17 year old brown hair, blue eyed Molly Miller, she situated her petite 5 '5", 95 pound frame. Oh my, she's tiny. She's little. Into the back seat of that dark colored 2012 Honda Accord.
Speaker: in the car with her was another passenger, 21 year old Colt Haynes. According to Molly's cousin, Paula Miller Fielder, as she told the podcast up and vanished, Molly had actually just met and befriended Colt only about a week before what I'm telling you right now. Okay. So it's wild though that they hadn't become friends before.
Speaker: because the driver of the car, James Connipp, it was called Conn by all of his friends, had known Colt for years and years, so a long time, and Molly for the same amount of time as well. So he was like the mutual friend. But their paths never crossed, Molly and Colt until recently. Exactly. Okay.
Speaker: And I'm sure that Khan had some good qualities, but all of the sources that I read, they only commented on the bad. And so that's really all I have to go on because I don't know them personally. But from the sounds of it, most were either friends with Khan because they ran in the same crowd, meaning they liked to drink, party, and do drugs.
Speaker: Okay. More because they were scared of him. I can see why. Yeah, I know. I get it now. Right. So even authorities though, when they heard Khan's name, they knew it meant trouble. Khan was known to do drugs, like I mentioned, and his arrest record, long as it was, and it was quite lengthy,
Speaker: was mostly filled with charges like unlawful possession of marijuana, DUI drugs, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance. So a lot of his charges were drug related also. So that's a hefty list you got there, attached to your name. Yeah, if he's in his early 20s and those are the charges you've already got, that's pretty bad. Yeah.
Speaker: So people know him, authorities know him, and in addition to his arrest records, there was also one quote unquote prank that Khan liked to do to show basically a blatant disrespect of authorities.
Speaker: According to special agent Justin Brown of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, in an interview with Anna Garcia of True Crime Daily, here's what he said, quote, Nip had a history of spinning out his tires in front of police and then running from them, end quote. So like, this is obviously like blatantly like, y 'all should see my face right now. I'm just kind of like, why?
Speaker: why of all the things you could do with your time why is that what you choose to do right if i see a cop car and i'm going like one mile over the speed limit i'll slow down yeah me too and i'm like make sure you use your signal when you turn stop completely at the stop sign i do the same thing i know so i can't imagine like spinning my tires in front of the cop and running from them no
Speaker: Well, the problem is, the night that I'm talking about, July 7th, was no different. Around 10 .30 that night, with Molly and Colt in the vehicle with him, Con spun out the wheels of his Honda, spewing gravel directly at a Carter County patrol car, and then peeled out of the parking lot. Okay, respectable young person.
Speaker: Exactly. This is why I said I'm sure he had good qualities, but I didn't read about any. So, well, this officer, obviously, I mean, he was known to do this, and this officer did not want him to get away with it again. And so the officer gave chase.
Speaker: Well, Con, as I mentioned in the intro, sped up to nearly 120 miles per hour. What? From the officer. Yeah. So, I mean, we're not talking like going, you know, 70. Like 75, yeah. Yeah. 120 miles per hour.
Speaker: And high -speed chases scare me, not because I'm afraid of how fast the car is going, but because in a high -speed chase from an officer, there's usually a lot more law -breaking activities that happen like running red lights.
Speaker: And we don't break rules, so. Right. Maggie and I can attest to this. Number one, yes, we are rule followers. And number two, we both experienced recently in the county where we teach where a young girl who was this awesome, awesome girl named Jill was killed. And it was the result of a high -speed chase.
Speaker: She had just graduated high school and the officers who were pursuing a car it crossed county lines into our county where we teach and it was right as a football game was letting out at the high school and Jill and two other students who I'm sure are both scarred from that experience physically and mentally were struck by the man who was fleeing police.
Speaker: Now, as a result of that tragedy, I actually found out that there aren't many regulations nor much training for officers on how to safely conduct a chase like that.
Speaker: Mm hmm. Yeah, especially when it's crossing lines. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't know that before that incident. And now after Jill's death, her family actually pushed for for a bill in Kentucky to get that training in place, which is awesome. Oh, I didn't know that. That is awesome. Jill was also an organ donor.
Speaker: Yes, she was. She saved a lot of people's lives by that. Yeah. Well, in our story today, though, it was in Oklahoma and it was seven years ago. So there really wasn't that blueprint for how this chase should look.
Speaker: And the Carter County officer, as the chase crossed the county line into Love County's jurisdiction, he actually did call the Love County Sheriff for backup. Well, the deputy watched as Khan's car like careened onto this dirt road called Long Hollow Road, or if you're from the country, Long Holler Road.
Speaker: Maggie just told us this. And this was a dirt road, though, that led directly to his family's property. So, I mean, he knows where he's going. Exactly where he's going. And Maggie and sleuthounds out there, I don't know if you caught my careful choice of verb there. He watched at Ponscar Carine.
Speaker: So you might be thinking, well, why did he not drive? Why did he watch? It was because Molly's cousin Paula told True Crime Daily that from her understanding, the Sheriff of Love County, the one who the deputy called for backup, his name was Joe Russell, told the deputy to call off the pursuit
Speaker: because he didn't want any other cars to get torn up. Okay. Cause that's what we're going to take into consideration when someone's driving 125 miles an hour, we don't want the Sheriff cars to be messed up. Okay. Cool. Now Maggie, I want you to remember Sheriff Russell's name because we're going to come back to him. Okay. I'm putting it in my brain. Okay. So remember the gravel spin out that was around 10 30 at 12 47 AM.
Speaker: Molly's phone called 911. Now remember Molly and Colt are in Khan's car, right? The officer doesn't know there's anybody but Khan in there cause they recognize the vehicle cause it does this all the time, but they're in the car with Khan. So about two hours later, her phone calls 911 and I say Molly's phone
Speaker: Because when the dispatcher asked the caller questions like 911, what's your emergency? There wasn't a response. The call only lasted five seconds and then it disconnected. So part of me wonders if like, cause you know how there's like the emergency call button on your phone, maybe it was an accident or something. Cause I literally like two weeks ago,
Speaker: Cause cars now have like that SOS button and it's right beside like where I would grab to adjust my mirror. And I accidentally hit the SOS button and it was like calling 911. And I was like, Hey, cause one time that happened when we went to, I don't even remember where we went, like Kings Island or something. And we were in Anthony's sister's car.
Speaker: And he called 911, but it connected and he hung up and we were like at a gas station. And when I came back out, her car, Alex and I came back out, her car was surrounded by police officers because they thought Anthony stole her car. Oh no. Yeah. We were like, no, it was an innocent accident. Oh no. Well, I would say that you could be right, except
Speaker: According to the Charlie Project's webpage for Molly Miller, several more calls were made to 911 after that. Okay, I got you. Right, but again, each and every call was dropped. And the dispatcher actually tried to return the phone call, but it went unanswered. Now, remember, we are in a rural county here. Yes, we probably have limited cell phone service.
Speaker: But, side note, I mean, I feel like, honestly, if we're honest with each other, that there should be some sort of technology so that those drop calls never happen when you call 911. Well, I'm pretty sure that I talked to the SOR officer at
Speaker: our school last year and he said that you should be able to call 9 -1 -1 even with no service because they used to take old phones and give them to like homeless people in case they needed to call 9 -1 -1 because the call should still work is what he said and i remember you telling me that before but then at the same time i feel like we've covered yeah and we hear so much about it doesn't where there are dropped calls i'm gonna google it on my phone right now okay well i just figure in my head
Speaker: If we can talk to people on the International Space Station, then we should be able to call an emergency line without the call dropping. Yeah, 100%. Where is this technology? I know. Where is it? People who are... So this says... Yeah, what does it say? It says, as if this was 2015, network providers must transmit any emergency 911 call regardless of whether you use their service or not.
Speaker: This means if your provider doesn't have coverage in the area, your phone will show that it has no service. But as long as it has battery power and can reach a signal, you can connect to 911. So that means that you would still have to pick up service from some provider. But there are some places that there's no service from any provider. So then I guess you wouldn't be able to call 911. Oh, yeah. Well, somebody needs to invent something that you can. Yes, they do. Yes, they do.
Speaker: We can land people on the moon. Come on now. Something built into your phone that can say, you know, whenever there's an emergency and there's no service by anybody, there has to be something. I'm not hard enough with technology to figure out what, but there has to be something. Yeah. And I just thought though, I mean, it could be that most of our cases where we're getting the dropped calls, like, you know, Brandon Lawson or this Molly Miller are happening before 2015.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true too. So that could be part of it. So Maggie, what I'm getting ready to tell you is going to make you even more mad. Okay, good. Despite the fact that all of these calls dropped or not were made to 911, right? They can still see that there's an attempt, but when they try to answer, the calls dropped, right? So 911 knows they're getting these calls. Yeah.
Speaker: and the phone is pinging near Long Hollow Road, right? They know where it's coming from. You would think that getting multiple phone calls from that same line would, I don't know, prompt something in you to be like, hey, we should probably send an officer out. Yeah, let's go check this out. But no one responded to the area to check things out. I think that should be illegal.
Speaker: Like I remember in seventh grade, one of my friends called 911 on a day or at a sleepover at his friend's house. And the, they came to school the next day and the police came to their house. Like they called it and hung up, but the police still came to their house. So like, shouldn't that be just a normal thing? I mean, cause what if I'm being held hostage and I can't speak, but I can call 911. That's the first thing that came to my mind because I'm like, I always try to play devil's advocate.
Speaker: And so, you know, in my mind, I'm like, okay, what's an explanation? And then I was thinking, well, the officer, the one in pursuit of Con, he thought that only Con was in the vehicle and he didn't know that there were other passengers. So maybe when he's doing this pursuit, they're not making the link between like the high speed chase and these 911 calls.
Speaker: But then at the same time, like you said, I mean, I would still like to hope that if for some reason I'm in some sort of situation where I can't make a phone call to 911, but I can at least dial it and hang up that. And if I do that multiple times, I would hope that they would come and save me. Yeah. And do other people or no, it's a private road, right? So no one else really lives off this road. Right. I mean, it's a dirt road.
Speaker: So maybe they just knew that cuckooed, I'm sorry people, that was offensive. So maybe they just knew that con man lived there and, um, they just didn't go because like, I don't know.
Speaker: Well, and that's from what I read, one of the sources said that's why the sheriff called off the search was because this is what he would always do. He would always spin out his tires and then he would just go, you know, to his family's property and then like, that's where it would end. And so maybe they, I don't know, just thought, okay, we've got them here, but the phone, the phone is pinging. Yeah, they're known.
Speaker: And their repeat is repeat. Like it's repetitive. It's not just one time. It was several times. So somebody should have wanted to check it out. Now, what is weird to me is that after those 911 calls, none of which went through some of Molly's calls and cults for that matter did go through. So after calling 911, both Molly and Colt called their friends.
Speaker: And the content of those phone conversations, they're a little bit confusing to me. On the one hand, I read several reports that Molly and Colt were asking friends in these phone conversations for water because they were really thirsty. Okay. And for a ride home because they were lost somewhere off of Oswald road in a field. Okay.
Speaker: And I know exactly those phone calls, they stand out to me because those calls don't seem frantic at all. Well, they're weird. Like you've only been like, you can't be too thirsty if you've, I mean, it's not been days, it's just been a few hours. Right. And I feel like if it were an emergency, like at least one great enough to make all those phone calls to 911, where's the urgency here? If I'm in danger,
Speaker: I don't understand why neither of them told their friends like any fears or concerns because I feel like that'd be the first thing I did. Like if I'm scared I'm gonna call somebody and I'm gonna tell them why I'm scared. Yeah and also how is this where's this Oswald Road and location to where Molly's phone pinged earlier? It's right off of Long Hollow Road. They're like right yeah right next to each other and
Speaker: I don't know. I just feel like if there were really a dangerous situation, then one of the two of them or both of them would be telling their friends like, Oh my gosh, get here now. I'm terrified or whatever it is. Because I'm thinking, I mean, for me, Maggie, I don't know if you're the same, but even if I have to walk by myself at night, I will call a friend.
Speaker: yeah hey i'm walking from this place to this place and it's dark out so if something happens to me and you hear me scream hang up and call 911 yeah or like even if anthony and i have like let's say it's pre corona and we're at the movies if i go to the bathroom i'll tell him if i'm not back in five minutes
Speaker: You need to go look for me. Right. Something bad has happened. I feel like they would have said something and we know it's Molly and Colt on the other end of the line because they actually spoke with their friends. So like their friends recognize their voice and they're asking for water and for rides. Like they're saying they're lost, but not in danger. But then the tone of the phone call shifted and this is why I said I'm confused.
Speaker: Later, a phone call from Colt to his friends, he used it to let them know that he was coughing up blood and had broken his ankle so badly that the bone was sticking out and he was lying in a creek bed.
Speaker: So we went from just asking for water to I have a compound fracture and I am in a creek bed. Yes. By the way, if you're from a small town, you would say crick in a creek bed, but in the creek. And I tried actually to find the exact language that was used that night because I was curious because, you know, Maggie and I were curious. So every word matters to us. And so I was trying to see if it said
Speaker: that his ankle was broken? Like if he said to friends, hey, my ankle is broken or was broken. I feel like that means something else happened to him. Exactly, like someone broken. Versus if he said, I broke my ankle, which means he did something on his own that caused the break. Exactly. But I couldn't find that anywhere. I know, unfortunate.
Speaker: but Colt's friends did actually go looking for him. Okay good job. Finally somebody's looking but they reportedly drove around in their cars and they were honking their horn and yelling for him to try to find him because he said hey
Speaker: I'm near Long Hollow Road off of Oswald Road. I'm in a field, right? That's what he said before. Now he's saying he's in a creek bed. And so they're literally like driving everywhere, honking their horns, yelling for him. And he's on the phone with them as they're driving around. So can he hear them honking their horns? No. So did they call police? No, not immediately. Okay, well that
Speaker: Well, we'll get to that when we talk about theories. But further phone calls were also made from Molly's phone after those original ones saying that they were thirsty and they needed a ride. But police have not released the name of the last person to whom those phone calls were made, which makes me feel like there's a clue there for future investigation.
Speaker: Yeah, definitely. Because otherwise I feel like they would release it. Like if it were to, you know, a sister or a cousin or something like that. Like I feel like. Yeah, definitely. So I do, I do want to tell sleuth hounds this. I mean, okay.
Speaker: I admit I do find it odd that Molly and Colt are in the same rural, in the same rural location, which is off of, again, Long Hollow Road near Pike Road and Oswald Road, that their calls to their friends connect, but the calls to 911 didn't. I do find that odd. No wonder maybe they're just confused where they're at. Well, I don't know if they're confused because remember their phones are pinging.
Speaker: Oh yeah. I lied. I lied. And I'm going to get to a theory about those phone calls again here in just a little bit, but I will also say this. Now where I live now is not rural, rural, but it's rural. And
Speaker: So I kind of say, yes, it's fishy that the 911 calls didn't go through and yet phone calls to friends did. But then at the same time, I try to think, well, I mean, in the rural area where I live, it's like a 15 minute drive to town. So that's why I said it's not rural, rural, but I have phone reception at my house. But if I drive a mile and a half down the road for a stretch of like a 10th of a mile, there is no phone reception at all.
Speaker: And it's like a mile stretch. Nothing. Yeah. I'm like that. Um, like when I, yeah, when we drive to like Walmart from where we live, we literally live like 10 minutes away from a Walmart. I will drop a call every single time in the same place. And it's literally for like five seconds. And then I have service. So maybe when they tried to call or when her phone tried to call 911, they were in like that.
Speaker: dead area and then they continued to walk and then they got reception. So like that's why I said in a way it might not be fishy. Yeah it makes sense now that you said that because I didn't think of that. But either way by 10 a .m. so remember we're talking just after midnight is the first 911 call and then they're making other phone calls to friends the friends come out looking for them all that's happening.
Speaker: But by 10 AM on July 8th, both Colt's phone and Molly's phone were no longer pinging anywhere. And we haven't heard from them since. So they died. That's the assumption now. Now, remember, I've only been talking about two people and there were three people in the car and there was one person
Speaker: who didn't make any phone calls, the only one who could give us some answers, Khan. Okay, let's see how this goes. But remember, Khan isn't lost. He knows this land. He's not calling friends for a ride. He knows this road like the back of his hand. Instead, Khan was located the next day. He didn't have injuries like Cold had.
Speaker: but he also wasn't talking. So it was like his car damaged. Maybe they got in a car accident since he was driving so fast. Good, good point. Cause I'm going to get to that here in one second. Okay. Now when they found Con the next day though, he was adamant, not just that he didn't know what happened to Molly and Colt, but he denied that he was even with them the night before.
Speaker: And even though their phones are pinging, even though people saw them in the car, he says, I don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't even with them. Maybe he like kicked him out of his car and then he went on home. Well, we're going to get to that too. You're so good, Megan. Bring up all kinds of stuff. Well, the next day, so they did it pretty quickly. Molly's family filed a missing person report on July 8th. And at first the report
Speaker: Now, I found this interesting. You know how we have the Amber Alerts, right? About children who are missing? Well, Colt was too old for an Amber Alert to be called. And while Molly was young enough to qualify for an Amber Alert because she had run away before,
Speaker: she, like that disqualified her from, from them using an Amber alert. I didn't know that you had to meet a certain criteria to be considered missing, but that's good to know. I know. I didn't know that either. And again, I feel like we talk about this all the time, that there's this presumption that just because somebody has run away before, oh, they've just run away again. Yeah. So they can't be missing. They'll come back. It's all right. Yep.
Speaker: But when Maggie is like so insightful with this, two weeks later, a totaled abandoned 2012 Honda Accord was located. One that belonged to Khan's girlfriend that she had reported stolen. One that officers had just seen involved in a high speed chase. Right? So this is Khan car.
Speaker: When police find it abandoned and totaled, things started looking more like Molly's disappearance could be the result of foul play and not a runaway situation. So now, like I'm shaking my head as we're like talking about this, because I feel like now that explains the broken ankle with a totaled car. And so now I'm wondering if like, I'm going to, I guess, kind of play devil's advocate if calling
Speaker: maybe didn't tell the whole truth, but didn't necessarily lie. Like maybe after the wreck, they did get kind of separated. I don't know. And I feel like I would totally agree with everything you just said, but there's one teensy weensy problem. Okay. And that is if the broken ankle happened in the wreck,
Speaker: Why did they have non -urgent phone calls to friends asking for water and being like, can you pick me up? True that you just discredited that theory. Okay. But no, cause I thought the same thing and I was like, wait a minute. Cause then like that, you can't explain that part. Right. Yeah. It's, it's wild because a lot of the theories that I'm going to tell you that people have, it's got stuff like that and where I'm like, yeah, but,
Speaker: What about all of our theories are like that. Every case we do, we have like five theories and we're like, Ooh, that's good. But so the car that they located in the field though, and remember this is a field and Molly and Colt did say that they were lost in a field. True. The field is actually right near where the police chase ended and the car was so damaged
Speaker: that it had sustained around $18 ,000 worth of damages. So a new car, the prospect of a new car. Yes. And police captain Ronnie Hampton told the local newspaper, the Daily Armorite,
Speaker: that quote, the car was driven through several barbed wire fences, which did a lot of damage. There was also a lot of damage to the undercarriage from driving through ditches, end quote. Okay. I mean, I can hit a pothole and my car feels like it's bouncing like crazy. Yeah. So driving through ditches, I can only imagine what that does.
Speaker: Also, I'd just picture Rodney's face if you came home and said you drove your car through a barbed wire. Oh my gosh. He wouldn't die. He'll be like, Allison, you dropped a paper straw wrapper over here. He'll be like, barbed wire? Oh my God. He'd be like, we're getting a divorce. Right, it's done.
Speaker: Well, it seems like the reckless driving, it didn't stop once the officer stopped chasing him though. Which is weird because I feel like once he got away he would quit. Unless I guess you want to get far away? I mean, I don't know. Were you just like the thrill, the adrenaline rush maybe? Maybe that's it. But, and here's the other little detail though.
Speaker: I wish sometimes I just didn't think so much. You know what I mean? And then things would be easy and I'd be like, okay, that explains it. Okay, I can sleep tonight. But instead I'm like, yeah, here's what seems odd. So everything I read seemed to indicate that Khan knew this land. It's his family's land. He always comes here, comments like that. So I don't know why knowing the land as well as he did,
Speaker: he would have driven through barbed wire. Like I feel like he would have known where the fences were. Yeah. I mean, unless he was doing it, doing it on purpose. And maybe that's it because in my thinking, okay, so either con wasn't driving the car when it was totaled, which could be true or he was driving and
Speaker: Either his adrenaline was so high because the cop was chasing him, or he had drugs in his system and thought he could drive through fences and ditches without any damage. Or maybe he did know where the fences were, like you just said, and he just didn't care because it wasn't his car. It's his girlfriend's car. And I started thinking about it. Remember, she reported it stolen.
Speaker: And so maybe he wanted to destroy the car because I actually read that his girlfriend was later charged with insurance fraud after she claimed the car was stolen so she could collect money on it. Oh, so maybe he just didn't care because of that reason. Well, I don't just have to say like, he just doesn't want to get you a very good car. So I don't think I'd want to go to jail over fraud for that. Exactly.
Speaker: There's a lot going on in this case. Yeah, this is a mess. I know. Well, eventually, Khan did come clean with one piece of information. After originally saying that he wasn't with Colt and Molly, remember how he said that before? He was like, I don't even know what you're talking about. He later said that after the police chase,
Speaker: once he admitted that he was with them, that he went off in one direction of the woods and Molly and Colt together went off in another direction. And so that's why I told you good job when you said maybe he dropped them off. So one thing I read said after that chase, he went one direction, they went another. And one theory that's related to this claim posits that maybe, maybe,
Speaker: Khan had been like goofing around by spinning out the tires on the officer. But then when the officer started chasing, maybe they realized they were in possession of drugs.
Speaker: or one or more of them were on drugs and then this chase ensued. And now they're like, Oh my gosh, like we're going to prison, you know, or I don't know what happens to you because I've never, you know, they're thinking, Oh my gosh, this will be bad if we get caught. And so they turn on that dirt road. And then maybe when they turn on the dirt road, either they just want to get really far away or they still think they're being chased. And so they decide,
Speaker: Like, hey, if we split up, then we're less likely to be caught. Okay. I was kind of following. Okay. So then they would have eventually realized that they're no longer being followed, but now they've been running and running and running, especially Colt and Molly, who don't know this land and realize that they have no idea where they are. That's true. But then,
Speaker: I mean that explains to the phone calls to the friends but I would be I would be panicking if I was lost and didn't know where I was. Unless because they have each other like maybe they're not as scared you know and so and if that is the reason because of like drugs or drug paraphernalia obviously they would want to call their friends and not their parents yeah yeah and
Speaker: Some speculate that, remember his friends started driving around like honking their horns and yelling for him. Some speculate that maybe Colt tried to climb a tree to see if he could see his friend's headlights like in the distance. And he could have fallen out of the tree and then broken his ankle.
Speaker: But I thought he called them saying that he was in the ditch with a broken ankle and needed help. Right. He did. So I'm not sure. You're right. Darn it. Well, that theory, I have problems with it anyway, but. So it's a no. Because if he's on the phone with them as they're yelling and he says like, I can't hear you honking, unless he ended the phone call and then called them back later, but why wouldn't you just stay on the phone? Yeah.
Speaker: So I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't really explain it. You're right. But, and I also still wonder if that's the case, right? If they know, Hey, we're running from the police because we don't want to get in trouble. And then they're running, running, running, running. And then they realize that they're lost. And so they call their friends. Then why the original calls to 911? Maybe the calls happened.
Speaker: to 911 when they were driving through the fences and the ditches and then, no, because then if they had drugs, they wouldn't do that. Right. So that doesn't make sense. Now, some people think, you know, maybe, maybe when cold, like if he fell out of a tree, right?
Speaker: that maybe when he did that and he started coughing up blood and he's immobile, like he can't run anymore with a broken ankle, maybe Molly originally thought to call 911 for help, but then they started like talking and they realized, no, if the cops come, we'll get in trouble. And so ultimately they decided to call friends back. I don't care how much trouble I get in. If I have a compound fracture and I'm coughing up blood, you better be calling 911.
Speaker: I know a lot of our listeners are probably wondering with this theory to why Molly would be concerned about getting into trouble because she seemed like such a good girl and she was
Speaker: but I did read that she had recently become really distant with her mom and it started right around the time that her grandmother died and that's when she started really, I mean she had known Khan for a long time but that's when she really started hanging out around that same crowd as Colt and Khan. Yeah because I don't think that would be a crowd of people that
Speaker: she would normally hang out with in normal circumstances. Right. And like I said, I mean, that circle was known for their drug use and so were both con and colt. And I'm going to get into that in just a second. Um, well, actually I'll get into it now. I'll just go ahead and just kidding. Um, so I mentioned earlier that con was involved with drugs and he had the huge list of, um,
Speaker: arrests for drug use. But Colt also had a history of drug abuse, including charges for trying to manufacture methamphetamines. Okay. Yeah. As well as the use of meth and marijuana. So this theory might explain their hesitancy to contact authorities. Okay. And like, like we say, we're not going to judge for
Speaker: dependencies on right drugs or alcohol right but that's pretty hefty to be only 21 and you're already using methamphetamine and attempting to manufacture yeah so well it does explain why they wouldn't want to call 911 yeah exactly yeah if i was trying to make meth in the back of my car i would not call 911 and i mean for all i know it could be the case that like molly was trying to call maybe she was scared and they kept hanging up
Speaker: Oh, that's true. That's a good point. This isn't a crowd that she normally hangs out with, but with this theory, one thing it doesn't explain is what happened to them after those phone calls to friends, because otherwise there's no danger. Another theory makes con out to be the responsible party. And those who believe this theory,
Speaker: They cite that Kahn was a frequent law breaker. We know this, we've just been talking about it. And he may have had it out for Colt Haynes. But weren't they friends? Well, yes, but Colt had just fairly recently become a father. And the mother of that now 10 -month -old son was Kahn's ex -girlfriend.
Speaker: Oh, they definitely were going to fight or something. Yeah, for sure. A lot of people wonder, could Khan have like Lord cold out there to take care of him? And Molly is just this innocent bystander. But I do kind of feel like that's a really big jump from like marijuana and DUI charges to like, I'm going to murder someone. I totally agree. I totally agree with that.
Speaker: But a lot of people believe this theory because almost every report that I read said that neither Khan nor his current girlfriend, the car owner, were cooperative with the police in the investigation of the disappearances. So a lot of people are like, I don't know how he's involved, but I think he's involved somehow. Yeah, it's always this little fishy if people are in, like don't cooperate with investigation.
Speaker: Right. But you know, earlier I said, I wish I didn't think so much because I come up with problems with all these different theories. And here is my problem with this theory. And it is that if that were the case, that Kahn is luring cold out there to quote unquote, take care of him, right? If murder is the plan all along,
Speaker: then why do something that would cause an officer to follow you to the place right near the scene of the crime? And also why would you bring an additional eyewitness along with you? Exactly. Who you would then have to quote unquote get rid of.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't buy into the Syria. I don't think that happened. I know. I see problems with it too. And the police, by the way, have not, at least not yet, been able to connect fully con to Molly and Colt's disappearance. The best that they could do in terms of charges was to convict them of endangering civilians because of the high speed chase.
Speaker: And that's a crime that carries a 10 year sentence of which Khan did serve four years before he was released in 2018. And I also think it speaks volumes to me that some of Molly's family, while they, like I said, they do think that Khan has information that he's not sharing.
Speaker: They also don't believe that he is responsible for what happened to Molly and Colt. And I say this because specifically Molly's cousin, Paula Miller Fielder, she also reported to the Up and Vanish podcast that she went to Con Nip's house about six weeks after Molly and Colt disappeared to try to get answers because she felt like he knew something.
Speaker: And this is what Molly's cousin said in that interview. And this is reported by Samantha Vicente in an article called what we know about Molly Miller and Colt Hanes' mysterious disappearances. Quote, I asked Kahn if Molly and Colt were okay when he left them in the woods. And he said, I don't know what you're talking about. I never was with Molly and Colt. I didn't leave them in the woods. Fielder recounts.
Speaker: When Fielder told him that the call records contradicted his story, he continued to deny it. I finally said, Con, I know she's dead, Fielder continued, claiming this made Nip tear up. I said, please, just tell us where she's at, end quote.
Speaker: So basically Paula believes in her gut that Khan wants to tell her the information that he knows, but for some reason he can't. Okay. So I know that at first we were kind of like,
Speaker: you know, Colin, we had all these bad things about him and no real like good things about him. But the more that I listen to this person's like traits that we know, the more I just picture kids that I've had in my classroom before that are so like loyal to their friends or like
Speaker: don't want to be like a quote snitch, that they don't want to say anything, especially in situations where they have to like, quote unquote snitch on somebody who they might be, like might have something else on them, or they might be kind of scared of or something like that. So part of me does say that I'm maybe kind of feel like Paula, maybe Colin really wasn't involved. And we just kind of want to pin it on him because
Speaker: He didn't necessarily have the best reputation and he's the easy target. And maybe we're so concentrated on saying it's Con that we're missing who it really could be. Right. Now there is one theory about somebody different than Con. So that's what I'm going to share with you now. Okay. The biggest question for many people with this case was why the police chase was called off.
Speaker: And that leads us to the final theory, and it does involve Con, but there's a person's name that I asked you to remember, Sheriff Joe Russell. And this theory says that Sheriff Russell is somehow linked.
Speaker: Okay, and that makes sense because if Sheriff Russell did something and Con knew about it, he's not gonna snitch on his cousin who is one family and two a sheriff. Right, yeah. So Sheriff Russell just happens to be Con's cousin, which like you said, Maggie, you're not gonna tell on a family member. And Sheriff Russell also, a couple of years after the disappearances, resigned from his position as sheriff,
Speaker: because he was arrested in July of 2016 for corruption, willful neglect of duties, and maladministration. And most of the allegations revolve around methamphetamines. Now, one accusation is that Sheriff Russell actually allowed his son to deal meth out of the sheriff's house and even out of his squad car.
Speaker: Okay. Yep. Additional allegations are that he harbored a known felon with outstanding warrants in his home because she happened to be his son's girlfriend. Even better. Yep. And a final accusation is that he had allowed Con to meet with family members unsupervised in a room that also had evidence in it.
Speaker: like evidence from Molly's case. So there's all kinds of allegations about abuse of power and corruption. Yeah.
Speaker: And while we don't have answers to everything, the sheriff did plead no contest to willful omission to perform a duty with not following through on the warrant with his son's girlfriend, right? That he should have followed through with. So he did plead no contest to that. And then he resigned from his position as sheriff and he paid a $300 fine. I know.
Speaker: So a lot of people who think that the sheriff is guilty that he had something to do with it, again, they don't know what, but those who believe that he was involved in a coverup with what happened to Molly and Colt. And again, given his many connections with drug making and dealing in the community, they argue that, you know, these small repercussions, like the $300 fine,
Speaker: They really did little to calm fears for people who might've been afraid to speak out against Sheriff Russell, right? Because they're like, here, he's doing all this horrible stuff and he gets a $300. Yes, he gets a slap on the wrist. Right. And he's back in our community. So if he is involved, the people in this small town aren't going to rat him out. I mean, I get it. I do. I know. But then,
Speaker: I think again to play devil's advocate that just because the sheriff would put his lawful duties on the back burner and risk his own wellbeing for his son doesn't necessarily mean that he would do it for con. So for cousin or for other people in the drug community. That's true. I mean, there's a difference between like your son and your cousin, and then it's more specifically your son and just your neighbor. Right.
Speaker: And so then I'm thinking the only way I could see him doing something like that, like risking his job is maybe if he was afraid for his own safety, because I mean, obviously he had power locally, but I'm sure his power is nothing compared to like drug lords in that community. Yeah. So like how high up in this drug ring was he? Right. And then was he scared? Right.
Speaker: I don't know, for not protecting those, those in that drug community. And to be honest, only Sheriff Russell knows the truth. Now I'm going to end with my theory and my theory is something completely different. Okay. Are you ready? I'm ready. Okay. So again, and I could be totally off.
Speaker: But like I said, the other theories, they just don't explain enough to me, or they have like little troubling aspects in them that I just can't dismiss in my head. So I have come up with a mixture of all of the theories. That's my solution. Put them in a blender. There we go. Now, I'll say this, I need to preface. This is pure speculation. Pure.
Speaker: But I think that Khan was just horse playing around by spinning his tires, like trying to go off for Colt and Molly. And when the cops started chasing them, Colt knew, whether it was for like bad reasons, like drug use, or just because he didn't want to get in trouble again, because he already has a long rap sheet, that he knows that the only way to lose them is to get into Love County and get on to his land.
Speaker: cold or con? Oh, I'm sorry. Con. The only way to lose them was to get into Love County, get to his family's land. Right. Right. So he manages to do that. And after he does, he doesn't realize that the cop has stopped chasing him. He's just trying to get away. And after crashing through fences and basically rendering the car inoperable because he's driven it through ditches. So now it can't run anymore.
Speaker: that after that, they were forced to continue fleeing on foot, right? That makes sense so far. That's why the car is left there in the field and they all get out. So far I'm 110 % with you on what has happened. So then after fleeing on foot, they decide to go in two different directions, again, thinking that they're still being pursued. I think that Molly and Colt were lost as they're running through the woods.
Speaker: And her immediate thought is to call 911, which is what she did. But when those calls couldn't go through because she was in a dead zone for cell service, they continued walking and continued to try to make phone calls. And maybe they were talking and they were like, listen, maybe it isn't a good idea to call 911. Let's call our friends. Or maybe they realized they weren't in danger. They were like, Hey, you know, this isn't an emergency situation. Let's just call our friends to come get us.
Speaker: Yeah. So that's when they started making those phone calls. And I do believe that it is feasible that Colt did climb a tree to try to see if he could see his friend's headlights and fell out and then broke his ankle and possibly a rib, which could explain why he was coughing up blood. I mean, even if he wasn't looking to see the headlights, maybe he climbed up to see if they were near the road. Right. Yeah. Or anything that was recognizable. So
Speaker: Do you still agree so far? Yes, I'm with you so far. Then I think that in trying to find their way to a road that they recognize to call friends again, I think that they stumbled upon a meth lab. Here's why I say this. I read one source that listed arson fires, grass fires, and wildfires.
Speaker: on or near Oswald Road, which is where they were.
Speaker: And these fires are so often, Maggie, and like, tons and tons of acres. It's like November 25th, 2008, there's a fire. February 26th, 2009. March 6th, 2009. April 10th, 2009. April 30th, 2009. August 12th, 2010, right? And so like, it continues, and I don't feel like
Speaker: I don't know anything about, you know, wildfires in Oklahoma. I know in like California, they happen quite often, but I've never heard news stories about all these wildfires and grass fires in Oklahoma. Yeah, I agree. And many of them were finally ruled arson. And these are all happening like off of one particular rural road. So I don't know, like, obviously,
Speaker: about making methamphetamine. I mean, I took, so this is just a little tidbit. So I actually went to a training when I was only in like fifth or sixth grade through, because I was like chosen as like a representative at school. And it was like an extensive training on methamphetamine. Cause we were like supposed to give a presentation to our peers about like the dangers of methamphetamine. So we learned like things that go in it, like how they cook it, how explosive it is and things like that.
Speaker: And I know like one officer said that there was a methamphetamine lab, like in the back of somebody's car. And when he opened up a jar, it like exploded in his face and now he's blind. So can you just have these like in the middle of the field? Like they don't have any in anything.
Speaker: I'm thinking so because I know there's that TV series Breaking Bad. Yeah. And while I haven't watched it and I've heard it's an awesome show and I should watch it, but I feel like in it, he's in like a camper and he's making meth. Okay. So I do feel like it's something that could be, and you would want to be in a rural place because obviously it's illegal.
Speaker: And I feel like the fact that these meth labs, everything is so flammable and there were just these random sporadic fires all around this area. I feel like that would kind of explain it.
Speaker: So we think that they died in like a fire or? No. They, by the people, I'll let you finish, I'll let you finish. I'm thinking that if the labs, these meth labs were the cause, that because they're placed on Kahn's family's property, that it's highly likely that Kahn would have known about them and maybe even made deals with them to gain access to drugs himself.
Speaker: Right? And so he knows where to avoid because he knows where the meth labs are. And even if he did stumble upon one, they wouldn't hurt him because they're cooking it on his family's property. It also might explain again, for me at least, why the sheriff called off the search right as the officer from Carter County was about to turn on Long Hollow Road.
Speaker: because the sheriff didn't want him to find those labs and shut them down. Especially as linked to his son or even his cousin, Con, or people in the drug community. So then I'm thinking, Con obviously went in the other direction. So he could have been safe.
Speaker: all while Colt and Molly stumbled upon one of those labs and unable to explain why they're there in the middle of the night. And now people who could potentially tell authorities the location of the lab, right? So they're like, don't hurt me. I won't tell anybody. Okay.
Speaker: How many people say that and then go tell, right? Me. Me too. So then I was thinking, well, if they stumbled upon one, then they were probably killed and their phones destroyed, which would explain why both phones went dead at the same time.
Speaker: Oh, they died? Okay, that's odd. Right. So then my theory is that when they were killed, that their phones were destroyed, like both of them thrown into a fire or something like that. And it will also explain two very peculiar final pieces of evidence that I wanted to share with you. There were two phone calls.
Speaker: that were made to authorities. The third was a seemingly accidental call to 911 that came in 2014 from Kahn's uncle, Colby Barrick. On the other end of the line, the dispatcher, so remember, this is an accidental call to 911. The dispatcher heard Kahn's uncle
Speaker: Say, quote, you know, you're effing mad. You know, you're effing tired. Effing Moxley Lake. A buck knife. Molly Miller. They shot him in the mouth right here. I can put my finger all the way through it. End quote. And then they heard splashing water.
Speaker: So a lot of people think that because this was Khan's uncle, that it somehow implicates Khan in the deaths of Molly and Colt, but
Speaker: I mean, not necessarily if they're running like a drug ring. Right. And I question because Barrack said they shot him in the mouth, not he. Yeah, who's they? That implies more than one person. Right.
Speaker: An article by Ali van der Hayden noted that in 2018, when Barrick was arrested for gun possession charges, he allegedly told officials that Molly's and Colt's bodies were in the lake. And if that's true, then that information does fit with that quote unquote accidental 911 call, right? Where they heard the water splashing and he's talking about Moxley Lake, but
Speaker: Barrick never named his cousin Con. And instead, all we have is that 911 call where he uses a plural pronoun. And so that makes me think that Barrick was witness to multiple people, like those who were running a meth lab, maybe hurting Molly and Colt. So that fits with my theory.
Speaker: So, and that is several, that's a couple years after they disappear, right? Cause that call payment 2014. So it's like, he's recalling that. Yep. A year later. And so I feel like that, that doesn't implicate Khan to me, even though a lot of people think it does just because he's Khan's uncle. Yeah, no, I don't think so.
Speaker: Now, I will say everything I read said that the lake that he mentions, the barrack does, where he says Molly's and Colt's bodies are, has never been searched. I was going to ask you that. So why would it not have been searched? I don't know if they don't have enough evidence to link the crime to the lake. And if it's on private property, like I feel like you would have to have. True, like warrants or things like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Well, the second thing, a phone call came in that in a house in Love County. Now, before I tell you what this phone call said was found, let me go back to that 911 call. So in that 911 call, Barrick mentioned a buck knife with Molly and a gunshot with Colt.
Speaker: okay right and before i even continue to the second call i also wanted to say i mean these are obviously two different weapons and i feel like it's highly unlikely i mean i would assume at least for a single person to use two different weapons yeah it would have to be multiple people i think i mean we don't know if all that's true because we don't have the bodies but
Speaker: I don't know. That makes me think it wasn't cold. Yeah. The second call was after a house in Love County was raided. And in this house in Love County, they found a machete and a gun. Hence, buck knife and gun. Yeah.
Speaker: And the lead investigator, Phillip Klein, said a witness told him that the mother of a person of interest, Con, is the one who brought those two weapons over for safekeeping. So that looks bad for Con, if that's true. Kind of, but I mean, again, this is basically a family thing.
Speaker: it is so it could be she's bringing it there to protect his uncle or who his cousin or you know yeah and an additional source that i read and i couldn't substantiate this with anything else it was just one source but it said that colt was said to have told his mother when he gave her these weapons that these weapons would prove his innocence
Speaker: So let's say my theory is true, because I like to think that it is. And it was people from like one of these meth labs on the property. If they are responsible for Molly and Colt's death, but let's say they left the weapons there, right? Where they have the meth lab. It's on Kahn's family's property.
Speaker: So he could have stumbled across them and he could have seen them and been like, you know, known that his friends are dead, but they're like, he's thinking, well, this proves that I didn't do it as their DNA on it. And so he could have given it to his mother who gave it to somebody else for safekeeping for an innocent reason.
Speaker: Yeah, cause I guess if we're going back to like, he doesn't want to snitch on anybody for fear of his own life, then he wouldn't turn those over to police. Yeah. So it's hard because I don't know how to read that information, but I, like I said, I still, I'm sticking with my theory. Yeah. And like the, like, I don't know if it's like the educator in me, but like, I just don't want Colin to be found guilty of this. Like I want,
Speaker: him to be somebody that like turns his life around and does really good. Like I don't want to, like, I want to root for him. I know. In a report with K10 news two years after the disappearances, Molly's grandfather, Alex Miller stated, quote, it's just about unbearable. You know, it's a heavy, heavy weight to carry until somebody comes forward and gives up what happened.
Speaker: We're just in limbo. We're just like on a tightrope, right out in the middle between the Grand Canyon. And you don't know which way you're going to fall off the rope. I've shed many tears and now I'm saving them for finding her." Unfortunately, here we are more than five years from that news report and more than seven years since the disappearance.
Speaker: still with no answers. Molly's grandparents have since passed away, but the hope that clues will come in and answers will be located has not. The Facebook page Operation Find Molly Miller and its dedicated followers and posters shows us that. Do not doubt that we can, together, make a difference.
Speaker: but do know that it is up to us. It's not enough to just listen to these cases. It is our duty to share them, to probe, to question. Someone in that small town has the answers or has said something to others. The dark secrets, long thought buried, are festering somewhere. Slowly destroying the keeper of the secrets from the inside,
Speaker: And there's only one way to make it stop, to speak. Until then, it's up to us to speak, Sleuthhounds, to share Molly's and Colt's story. Do your part as well. Anyone with information about this case is asked to call the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation at 800 -522 -8080.
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