Can America Bring Order to Global Anarchy? Charles Kupchan on How to Govern the 21st-Century World

Recorded just before the midterms, the DC-based foreign policy guru Charles Kupchan predicted they weren’t going to be kind to the Republicans. He was right. So if he can predict the future of domestic politics, what about international relations? Can he tell us what is about to happen in our increasingly anarchic global system?

Kupchan’s new book Bringing Order to Anarchy is less predictive than prescriptive. He argues that the answer to our multipolar disorder is not the United Nations but something older and, frankly, less democratic. His model is the Concert of Europe, the club of five great powers that, in his view, maintained peace on the European continent for most of the nineteenth century.

His diagnosis of our current disorder is that two tectonic shifts have occurred simultaneously. Firstly, international power has moved west to east and north to south on a scale not seen in centuries. Secondly, the digital revolution, particularly the automation of work, has dismantled the social contract of the industrial era. The result is the international version of a Gramscian interregnum. The old is dying and the new cannot be born. And everywhere around us are the morbid symptoms of decay.

So should Trump sit down with Putin and Xi to (re)create a 21st-Century Concert of the World? Kupchan’s answer is not yet. A concert needs conservative powers practising restraint, and Putin is a revisionist who wants the status quo overturned. The concert, he says, will have to await the post-Putin era.

What he also says is that America needs a “national conversation” about both the digital revolution and its role in the world. This conversation, I suspect, is about to begin. But it will be increasingly a post-MAGA, post-Trump one. He’s waiting for a world after Putin. The rest of us are waiting for the one after MAGA. Post-Trump and post-Putin. That’s how the world can bring back order to the international system.

FURTHER READING

•   Bringing Order to Anarchy: Governing the World to Come (Yale University Press for the Council on Foreign Relations, October 2026, 328pp).

•   Kupchan’s Isolationism: A History of America’s Efforts to Shield Itself from the World (2020) is the prehistory of the present mood, and the book he was on the show with in 2021.

•   The episodes AK cites along the way: Michael Dobbs on The Six Minute War, Eliot Cohen on The Strategist, and Anthony Badger on Prosperity Road.

•   Antonio Gramsci, Prison Notebooks — the source of the interregnum and its morbid symptoms, which Kupchan has now used on this show twice.

ABOUT THE GUEST

Charles A. Kupchan is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and professor of international affairs at Georgetown University. He served on the National Security Council under Presidents Clinton and Obama, and is the author of Isolationism, No One’s World and How Enemies Become Friends.

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