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E190: Charles Walton
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On Valentine’s Day in 1945, in the quaint village of Lower Quinton in Warwickshire, England, 74-year-old Charles Walton was making his way to a field to cut down some weeds. By the time the day ended, it wasn’t love that was on the mind of anyone in the village, however. It was murder-- and a gruesome one at that. Over the years, details have been exaggerated into mythic proportions, because who might have been capable of this heinous of a crime is a question for which we still don’t have an answer.
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So I know we're in the dead of summer, but my heart longs for fall. With the 4th of July now past us here in the States, I can fully turn my attention to all things spooky, all things orange, all things autumn, all things Halloween. Don't get me wrong, I do love summer, but fall means I'm one step closer to Christmas, thus I love fall.
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While the case we're covering today may not have taken place during the Halloween season, rather on Valentine's Day, it has many aspects that we associate with Halloween, witches, the occult, terror. Picture a quiet village nestled amongst rolling hills and shrouded in ancient folklore. Lower Quinton, a place seemingly untouched by time, held a secret.
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an unspeakable secret that would forever haunt its inhabitants. On a cold February morning, the tranquil atmosphere was shattered and the tranquility turned to terror. A humble and well-respected local was discovered in a twisted tapestry of darkness and dread. The villagers gasped in horror as they stumbled upon a gruesome scene, the likes of which they had never witnessed before,
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Someone's lifeless body was found amidst the fields, his face etched in an expression of terror frozen in time. But what could drive someone to commit such a heinous act of brutality? The answer lay deep inside those hidden secrets in that tight-knit community. As investigation unfolded, investigators were confronted with perplexing clues. Symbols etched into the earth,
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Cryptic marks scorched into the barks of trees, superstitions and folklore intertwined with the reality of the murder most foul. In their search for truth, they unraveled tales of witchcraft and occult practices, a world unseen by most lurking in the shadows of rural England. The lines between fact and fiction blurred as the weight of history and folklore pressed down on the investigators' shoulders.
Podcast Purpose & Audience Engagement
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This is the story of Charles Walton.
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Welcome to Coffee and Cases where we like our coffee hot and our cases cold. My name is Allison Williams. And my name is Maggie Dameron.
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We will be telling stories each week in the hopes that someone out there with any information concerning the cases will take those tips to law enforcement. So justice and closure can be brought to these families. With each case, we encourage you to continue in the conversation on our Facebook page, Coffee and Cases podcast, because as we all know, conversation helps to keep the missing person in the public consciousness, helping keep their memories alive. So sit back, sip your coffee, and listen to what's brewing this week. Holy cow.
00:04:35
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I am intrigued. Oh, good. This one was, it's different than the lot that we've done before. Oh, sounds kind of spooky. And we're across the pond. We are in England. That's all these words I can't pronounce. You can tell me how to pronounce them.
Charles Walton's Life & Mysterious Case
00:04:59
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So the case of Charles Walton remains one of the most perplexing and mysterious cases in British history. Oh, wow. And we've covered some perplexing ones on the show ourselves as well. So this, this one is kind of gruesome, a little more gruesome than some of the ones we've talked about before. So listener discretion.
00:05:22
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Yeah, especially when we get to the part where like his body's discovered. If your littles are listening, you may want to just kind of turn it down for a second. Yeah. But this murder happened in a small village of Lower Quinton, which is in Warwick Shire. I'm not sure. I'm going to go with Warwick Shire because that sounds more
00:05:44
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like something i would say naturally england yeah and he's found on february 14 1945 and his death was so brutal that it really did shock this little community and ended up capturing the attention of the whole nation
00:06:00
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So there were extensive investigations that were done But even despite that and all this time that's passed the case still remains unsolved and I feel like With cases that are this old a lot of the times, you know Myth and legend kind of oh, yeah, we talk about that a lot blur the facts of reality, you know And so we will talk about that a little bit in this case. So the goal for today is
00:06:30
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is to delve into the details surrounding Charles Walton's murder. We're going to look at some evidence and talk about some theories and maybe some motives that have been talked about over the years. But before we do that, I did want to take just a moment to introduce you to Charles Walton because I can just picture his little quaint life when we talk about who he is. Okay.
00:06:58
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So Charles Walton was born on May 12 1870 and was found murdered on February the 14th 1945 Okay, so we're going back a little historical case that his birthday was actually one day before Rodney's birthday.
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I mean, Rodney was born in 1870, but he was born on May 13th. Well, Rodney aged really well. He was born on May 13th. He was born to Charles Sr. and Emma Walton. And I read that he worked on farms and in agriculture his entire life and always
00:07:44
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lived in lower Quinton. Okay, so he's one of those. It's a lot of small towns. You're born there. You continue to stay there.
00:07:53
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Yeah, and that was him. And at the time of this case, he was actually a widower and he shared the small cottage where he lived, which was at 15 Lower Quinton with his 33 year old niece Edith. And interestingly, he and his wife actually adopted Edith when she was around three after her mother died, even though her father still lived in like nearby Stratford.
00:08:22
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but they adopted her and I didn't read any details about why. Hmm interesting. Well I'm just glad that she grew up in a home with family. Yeah. And hopefully she was happy. I think she was. Yeah.
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I think they were happy with their little quaint life that they lived. His wife actually died in 1927. And so that left him and Edith to run the house. And they had lived in that house or he had since World War I. Okay.
00:08:59
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So while Charles had lived in the community for forever, there weren't that many people that felt like they really knew him. He was looked at more as a loner. Um, he just kind of kept to himself and it wasn't that he was disliked. Just, I think he, I don't know. Yeah. Right.
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He did earn a really good reputation as a horse trainer in his youth. So he was really talented in training courses, which I'm sure is very difficult. I don't think I would have the patience to do that. Right. Yeah, I don't think I would either. I did read though in an article by a true crime detective quote, however, despite not being actively disliked, the locals would also speak.
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strange happening surrounding him. Birds would flock to his hand and he said to have the ability to tame dogs by his voice alone. Warwickshire is a hotbed of folklore and some in the village talked of old superstitions including witchcraft and his involvement in local covens. However, the majority believed he merely had the wisdom of age and a life of rural experience. He knew the old ways." End quote.
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So interesting and I get how I kind of get how those two things could be confused because you know if you look at the older generations they tend to know you know here's a home remedy for a burn treatment
00:10:27
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you know, mix together these things and then you put it on a burn and all of a sudden it goes away quickly and sometimes more effectively than modern medicine or conveniences. And then I get how that could be perceived as quote unquote witchcraft by some as times are changing. Yeah, it's kind of like an Appalachia will say that's an old wobs tail. Mm hmm. Yep. And I wonder if it's things like that.
00:10:59
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So obviously he's at an advanced stage by this point, but even though he had rheumatoid arthritis and was like in his seventies, he walked with a stick. He actually still saw it work wherever he could find it. And at the time of this case, he had been working for a local farmer named Alfred Potter on and off for about nine months. Okay. And yeah, he's 74. Wow. You all know, I can't math, but I hope to God I'm not working.
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All right.
The Brutal Murder of Charles Walton
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Right. That's hard work hard work. And you know, we had to be looking forward to. Well, I mean, maybe he wasn't because I feel like my grandpa
00:11:41
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until he couldn't anymore worked in his garden like day after day. I was gonna say he probably looked forward to retirement but maybe didn't maybe he enjoyed staying active. I mean my grandma was the same way like we knew as she advanced in age we always said if she ever had to slow down or stop that would be what killed her.
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And I thought this was crazy, but I read in one article that in 1945, and I'm probably gonna say 1995, like 7,000 times, in 1945, there were about 141 murders in England and Wales at that time. I mean, I don't know if that's a lot, but that sounds like a lot to me. Right.
00:12:29
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And this murder of Charles Walton was one that truly just really shook the community. Yeah. So on that day on February the 14th 1945 Charles left home with a pitchfork and a slash hook in hand, and I had
00:12:49
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absolutely no clue what a slash hook was so I googled it but then after I saw it I was like oh is that like a sigh like you see the grim reaper with kind of that you used to yeah like cut weeds okay yeah yeah okay I didn't know it was also called a slash hook but I like the name slash hook even better it's that to me sounds a little more gruesome you know oh yeah I mean it kind of does
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But once I saw it, I was like, oh yeah, duh. And then remembering that he works on a farm, it would make sense that he's carrying these things because they would be typical farm equipment. Witnesses saw him pass through the local churchyard in this community between 9 and 9.30 AM headed towards me on Hill again. Hopefully I'm pronouncing all these words right, but in Maggie's mind,
00:13:45
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That's how you say it. He was going there because it smelled like neon, but with an M. Yeah. So, so he was going there to cut weeds for the day. Okay. So again, tools make sense. Yes. And while he was cutting weeds, I thought this was neat. Edith, remember the niece was working as a printers assembler at the Royal society of the arts, which had been relocated to lower Quentin for the duration of the war. Cause it couldn't be.
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like downtown or in a bigger city because they were being bombed. Oh, so it was actually in like a more small community. Oh, cause we're World War II at this point. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cause we're not quite at the end of World War II yet. Okay. And Edith would later report that on that day, Charles, or on any day that he cut weeds, he was usually home around 4 PM and on most days she got home around six. So she works a little later than he does. Okay.
00:14:45
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But on February the 14th, when she got home around six, Charles was nowhere to be seen and this wasn't like him. Okay. Because along with being sort of like this loner, he was also a creature of habit. So he would get up at the same time. He took a lunch at the same time. He like got off work and he did the same things on work days habitually. So if he's not home when she gets home, that's really out of character for him.
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And so she knew, you know, he's not at the pub. He's not being a friend because this is just not in his routine. So something must be wrong. Right. If he's a loner, he's either going to be at work or he's going to be back at home. Exactly. Especially on days where he had, you know, those set routines.
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So instead of waiting to see if Charles would roll home or what time he would show up, she actually went to her neighbor's house to see if maybe he had heard from her uncle. And this man's name was Harry Beasley. He lived next door at 16 Lower Quentin. And she went to his house and just explained, you know, he should be home by four. He wasn't, this isn't like him. He was out cutting weeds. I'm scared. Something's happened. Maybe he got hurt and he can't get home. Something like that.
00:16:03
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And so the two of them, he goes with her to the farm where Charles was working called the furs to talk to Charles's boss, Alfred Potter, just to see, you know, did he get hurt? Did he have to go see the doctor? Is that why he isn't back in time? Things like that. That makes sense. I mean, that would be the first person I would think to go to is his boss.
00:16:24
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And because his boss has probably been like the last person or seen him most frequently that day, you know? So it would make sense to talk to him first.
00:16:35
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When Edith and Harry arrived at Potter's, they told him that Charles didn't make it home at the expected time. And Potter says, you know what? I last saw Charles earlier in the day and he was slashing hedges in hill ground, which was the direction that he was headed that morning when people saw him in the churchyard. So making sense.
00:16:58
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The trio then set out in the direction of the spot where Charles had last been seen to look for him or to look for clues as to where he may have gone next. They did find something, but it wasn't what they wanted to find. Oh no, this is going to be the gruesome part. I feel it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:23
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After searching for a while, the three eventually did find his body near a hedge grove and the scene that lay before them was pretty brutal Allison. And we've talked about, like I said a lot, but this one I think ranks kind of up there with some of the more gruesome ones we've talked about. True Crime Detective said,
00:17:43
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that Charles had been a victim of a horrific attack, shocking in its violence and utilizing Charles's own weapons against him. So one, he had been severely beaten with his walking stick on the head. Then, if that wasn't enough, his throat had been slashed three times with that
00:18:06
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hook the slash hook thing oh my goodness and not satisfied with that the assailant actually stabbed charles in the chest with that pitchfork that he carried
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And then finished by ramming the pitchfork through his face. Oh my gosh. And then walking the handle underneath like a branch of a hedge. So he was kind of wedged there. Oh, like slash thing left in his throat and the pitchfork through his face. Oh my goodness. Yeah. This is not random attack. This is.
00:18:49
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That's a very personal. Mm hmm. There were some and we'll talk about it later on accounts that said that there was a cross carved in his chest, but that wasn't ever reported in the autopsy. So I think that's kind of one of those. Folklore. Legend and reality. Mm hmm.
00:19:12
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So obviously at this point, Edith is overcome with grief from my understanding. I don't think she went all the way up to the body. I think she could just kind of thankfully, thankfully. Yeah. I don't, I don't know what kind of person could see something like that and not be completely traumatized. Oh, it's traumatic reading about it. I couldn't imagine witnessing it.
00:19:41
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Harry, so her neighbor that was with her would later tell investigators that he tried to keep her calm. He really kept her away as best he could from seeing so much of the body and he actually ends up walking her down the hill away from the scene so she can kind of calm down and not be like looking at her. Right. Murdered uncle in such a state.
00:20:06
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At the same time that they're walking down the hill. A man named Harry peachy was walking along the side of the road and Potter, the boss called out to him and said, Hey, we've discovered a dead body up here. Do you care to go get the police and peachy does go get the police. Okay.
00:20:27
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Not wanting to chance that someone would stumble upon the body or mess with the scene. Potter actually stood over the murder scene until police arrived because, you know, Harry and Edith have walked down the hill at this point. So he's just up there by himself to make sure nobody. Oh, yeah. Stumbles upon this or messes with any of the scene. Right. Keep it secure. Right.
00:20:50
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And according to the Metropolitan Police File, the first policeman on the scene was actually, this is another last name that it's a doozy, was PC Michael James Lomazny.
Investigation & Scotland Yard's Involvement
00:21:04
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And I'm going to call him PCL from now on, because every time I say his name, I'm going to stumble over it, but Lomazny.
00:21:12
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who arrived at 705 p.m. Members of the CID arrived later in the evening and then a man named Professor James Webster who worked at the Midlands Forensic Laboratory arrived around 11 30 p.m. and the body was finally removed at 1 30 in the morning. Wow that took well I mean it's still several hours yeah.
00:21:37
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When the first officer, PCL, arrived at the scene, he immediately went to work and he noticed a lot of kind of strange things at the crime scene, some strange behavior. But before we really get into how people were acting and the things that he found, I want to talk about how he tried to establish a timeline. So they think that's really important. They want to know
00:22:04
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when this happened to Charles. Well because really all we know is he left it between nine and nine thirty. Yeah that's so far that's the last signing that we know of.
00:22:17
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Detective Inspector Toomes took a statement from Potter, so the boss, that shed some light on when Charles may have been brutally murdered. Many at the scene, including the investigators, noted how Potter was visibly upset, which I think you would be if you stumbled upon any crime scene, especially if it was someone who was working for you and you had a relationship with. Right.
00:22:45
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But they said that he was so upset that he was shaking. And I don't know how I would be in that situation and I hope I'm never in that situation. But I think I will be shaking too. But it was so much to the fact that they really noticed it.
00:23:02
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Hmm, interesting, okay. Constable L stated, quote, he was shivering and complained about being cold, which it is February, but I digress. Looking back, I think Potter appeared more worried than one would expect him to be. His complaint of feeling cold, I considered a strange excuse from one who was used to tending to animals at all hours and in all kinds of weather, especially as the murdered man was his own employee and had been murdered on his own land, end quote.
00:23:33
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I'm going to give Potter the benefit of the doubt right now because, again, I get what this constable is saying, and I understand, and most farmers who I've known in my life do have kind of a thicker skin, like they're not going to be shivering in the cold. So I get it. But he has been traumatized. It is late at night in February, which is going to be colder.
00:24:03
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And I guarantee you this constable had his coat on. And you know, I think you would be.
00:24:12
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more nervous if one, you are who found a dead body, and two, it's the body of a man who works for you, and three, he was murdered on your property. They just aren't looking very good for you. That's true. Yeah. Even if you're innocent. It's like when I see a cop car coming up behind me, even though I'm not speeding, because I'm a rule follower, I'm still like, oh no. Was I going like one mile over? Oh no.
00:24:40
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You know. Did I not stop? Did I have a tail light out? So I'm going to also give him the benefit of the doubt for right now.
00:24:51
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He's honest with investigators and told them that he'd known Charles about five years, which was the, from what I remember, the entire time Potter had been at the first farm. And he goes on to tell police that he had employed Charles casually over the last nine months and said that Charles had worked for him when weather permitted on just whatever project needed to be done. And at present, he had been cutting fields for the last several months.
00:25:16
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that heel where he's found the one at heel ground was the last one that needed cutting. Okay.
00:25:23
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So when asked where he was that day, Potter had the following to say. He said that he had been in college arms with a man named Joseph Stanley, who was a farmer at White Cross Farm until about noon that day. He'd gone straight across to a smallfield adjoining hillground and saw Charles working about five to 600 yards away. So he says he noticed Charles like around lunchtime. Okay.
00:25:52
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And he said when he saw Charles that he had about 10 yards of hedge left to cut. And when they found the body that afternoon, there were four yards that had been cut. So he was about halfway through. And Potter said it would have taken him about half an hour's work. So that kind of gives us a little bit of a time on him. So just a little bit after lunch time. Yeah.
00:26:20
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And according to the Metropolitan Police file, Potter stated that he knew it was Charles' habit to stop for lunch around 11 and that he would work continuously to get the job done until four. So he didn't take any breaks between four and 11, or 11 and four rather. So PCL initially, this is weird to me, and I read this in a couple different sources, thought that maybe this could have been some type of suicide, but I think that's a really weird conclusion to come to.
00:26:52
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That is very weird. I don't think that. I don't think that that was the conclusion for very long after we. I don't understand how you can look at those injuries and say at all that you've come to that conclusion. How would one do that to oneself? It kind of reminds me of if we could possibly say that's a theory of the Cindy James case. Remember where they said that she was doing all that to herself.
00:27:21
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But I think that would be really hard to cut your throat three times, then stab yourself through the face. Yeah. I don't see that happening. Yeah. So I think maybe he was a little inexperienced in murder cases maybe. Perhaps he was a young detective. I don't know. But upon inspecting the body, the police noted that Charles was wearing a chain for a pocket watch, but the watch itself was missing. So they thought that was kind of interesting. Okay.
00:27:51
Speaker
They later released a description of it and it was described as quote gents plain white metal pocket watch snap clothes at the back white enamel face with Edgar Jones Stafford on Avon there on second hand English numerals valued at 25 shillings about well this would that would have been when they released that statement it was 10 years after he died so okay I don't know what 10 shillings would be today but I don't think it would be
00:28:18
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Super expensive. Yeah. So they're saying, you know, the watch is probably an unlikely prize if we're thinking this was for robbery. Okay. So instead of them thinking like suicide, obviously, or theft, they're now thinking, okay, we have some type of maniac on the loose. Or some people said it could be an Italian prisoner of war because there was a POW camp nearby.
00:28:46
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so at the present those are the theories that they're talking about seems odd though to just attack a random farmer who's just cutting weeds yeah and especially somebody that kind of kept to himself yeah like who has he made mad right pretty quickly though local law enforcement realized that they're kind of in over their heads and so they call for assistance from scotland yard
00:29:15
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And the deputy chief constable of Warwickshire sent a message on February 15th. So the next day, that called for the help. And that call said, quote, the chief constable has asked me to get assistance of Scotland Yard to assist in the brutal case of murder that took place yesterday. The deceased is a man named Charles Walton, age 74, and was killed with an instrument known as a slash hook.
00:29:39
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The murderer was either committed by a madman or one of the Italian prisoners who are in a camp nearby. The assistance of an Italian interpreter would be necessary, I think. Dr. Webster states deceased was killed between 1 and 2 p.m. yesterday. The metal watch is missing from the body. It could be it is being circulated." So they have pinned his time of death between 1 and 2 p.m. OK, I guess that's based on seeing the hedge trimmings, all that stuff.
00:30:07
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Yeah. Cause if he left around noon, yeah, I would say like one would be a pretty good estimate. And they respond pretty quick to that call. The Scotland Yard does because they arrive on February the 16th with chief inspector Robert Fabian and his partner, detective Sergeant Albert Webb to assist in this investigation. Then later on in the day.
00:30:30
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Detective sergeant Saunders a special branch who was an Italian speaker arrived because you know, they think oh, yeah This Italian war camp is nearby. We need right Mm-hmm. We need somebody who can speak Italian. Yeah. Yeah, so Fabian and Webb immediately took over the investigation and Saunders was tasked with making inquiries at the local POW camp and He actually did find this was so crazy. And when I was talking about this with Anthony, he was like, this is that's weird
00:30:59
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But he actually did find that the prisoners were allowed to just pretty much roam freely in the local area. And it was close to lower Quinton. I don't know if it's because, maybe it's because they could maybe sense that the war was coming to an end because it did end that September. It still seems a little odd. Small and rural. Maybe the town's so isolated that they're like, where are you going to go in the dead of winter? I don't know. Still a little weird, but. Yeah.
00:31:28
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Whatever. But he does discover that on the same day of the killing, some of those POWs had actually went into Stratford to watch a play and others had went into town to watch a movie. So there's these prisoners of war roaming town. Thus, the theory of the POW killing Charles was born because they have access.
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00:36:14
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That's kind of what I picture, but they actually traced the movements of all of those involved in the life of Charles and where they had been the day he was killed, which I thought was innovative for the time. Yes, that's very good. Yeah.
00:36:28
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Surprisingly, they also use the Royal Air Force to take aerial photos of the crime scene to see if there was anything maybe that they had missed and that they could see from above, which I thought was very interesting. You were clearly able to see blood stains on the grass, even from that altitude of several hundred feet. So it had been pretty gruesome and he lost a lot of blood.
00:36:55
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They did organize a ground search using metal detectors because the hope was they could find that pocket watch. And if they found the pocket watch, then maybe you would have fingerprints from the perpetrator on it. Smart. Okay. I'm guessing they found nothing.
00:37:12
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They did not find anything. You're correct. The watch was not found. The two began talking to people who may have seen Charles in the hours or minutes before his death.
Suspects & Theories in Walton's Murder
00:37:23
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And as a result of that conversation, an Italian POW was arrested and brought in for questioning. But unlike others of the time or even today, because I feel like that would be such
00:37:38
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an easy fallback like oh, yeah, it was a prisoner of war. Right. That does seem like a scapegoat. Yeah. Yeah. But they actually really looked in the two investigators into this man's whereabouts. And they actually said that he was innocent and let him go. Oh, okay. So I guess they just figured out he did have a solid alibi.
00:38:03
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Mm-hmm. I think he may have been one of the ones that was like at a movie or something like that Okay, okay Professor Webster's autopsy and remember he is that forensic specialist Okay found that Charles had actually fought against his attacker So on top of that it also revealed a lot more details about the nature of his death. So Webster found that
00:38:26
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that Charles' trachea had been cut and that he actually had bruises on his chest and several broken ribs. So this was a beating. His defense wounds included a cut on his left hand and bruises on the back of his right arm and forearm like he was, you know, maybe lifting his hand up to shield his face. Gotcha.
00:38:49
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Webster did conclude that the wounds found on Charles were consistent with the pitchfork, which obviously is through his face, and that slash hook. Charles had also been hit, like I said, over the head with his own walking stick, which was found at the scene only about three and a half yards from his body, and there was blood and hair on the walking stick. Of course it is 1945, so what they can do with that is rather limited.
00:39:16
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Right. Well, and that's what I was getting ready to say. You know, if something like this happened today and we don't have the DNA technology, then we save it, you know, for when DNA advances. But at this point, they're like, what's DNA? You know, and they wouldn't have and it wouldn't have been stored properly anyway for that long in order to figure it out. And like I said earlier, it was determined he was killed between one and two p.m.
00:39:45
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I thought this was kind of weird. His shirt had been unbuttoned and his trousers had been in fastened at the top and his fly was undone. So I don't know if like he was maybe in the middle of getting ready. But then, and maybe it was, well, no, it's February. I was going to say maybe, maybe it was hot out and that's why I'm button a shirt, but that doesn't make any sense. Hmm. So I thought that was a weird detail.
00:40:11
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I know I mentioned briefly that some people said there was like a really deep, large crucifix carved into his chest, but the autopsy didn't state that in the report. But there are some accounts that said there was that large crucifix that was carved into his chest, but I'm going to believe what the autopsy says. Yeah, I'm thinking so too. Potter was interviewed a second time on February the 17th.
00:40:38
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And during that interview, he actually started to divulge new information that investigators thought could maybe help with the case. So he told investigators that he thought, and this is kind of like they raised their eyebrow out, but he thought that Charles was lying about the amount of time he was actually working. So
00:41:04
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because Charles is just working for Potter whenever, you know, weather permits or there's a project that needs done. Potter relied heavily on Charles just being honest with him about the amount of time that he worked or the amount of hours that he was on the job. Okay. And that's how he was paid. So if Charles was like, I worked five hours, then he was paid for five hours. There wasn't like a clocking in and clocking. Right. Right.
00:41:29
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So Potter told police that he thought Charles was saying, Oh, I worked five hours when really he worked for. So he thought he had been paying Charles for hours that he hadn't worked. It just seems odd to even bring that up in a police interview. I know that's what I thought too.
00:41:49
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That's what I thought, too. And it was later determined that it wasn't true. So why bring it up in the first place? I don't understand. But he did in that interview. But that gives a motive, I guess, of being angry. If you're wanting to blame Potter. Yeah.
00:42:05
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Yep. And there we'll talk about the money aspect here in a little bit. But Potter reiterated that he left the village pub at noon. Around 1220 was when he saw Charles as he was heading back to the farm. Potter said that he didn't greet Charles. Like there was no, hey, how you doing buddy? Because he was actually in a hurry to get back to the farm to help a cow in need. Well, good for him.
00:42:34
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That cow needed him. Help a cow with me. We'll talk about the cow here in a little bit too. Oh goodness. If we're in need. Suspicion of Potter increased when he was informed by PCL that the police were actually hoping to find fingerprints on that slash hook thing.
00:42:58
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Because once he hears that, he starts to panic and they can see it in his actions and hear it in his voice. Because he's saying like, I did touch that. I just want you to know my fingerprints are gonna be on there. I touched that because I had to kind of stable myself when I bent down to see if Charles was actually dead when we found his body. So you're gonna find my fingerprints on there just so you know, because I touched it.
00:43:28
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which could be true. Oh yeah. Cause I would be the same way. I'd pee my pants if they were like, Oh yeah, we're getting ready to look at this such and such fingerprints. And I had touched it. I would be like, um, I touched that. Just wanted to let you know, I need to let you know this crucial information. Um, so yeah, I mean, it could be true. They're on there. Right. But at the same time, I mean, we have to admit that does sound suspect. Yeah. Hearing it.
00:43:57
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Yes. And because that piled upon the fact that he then starts to seem overly keen on ensuring that his alibi lines up, that investigators are kind of like, you're being really weird, dude. Oh, no.
00:44:17
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So true crime detective said that he went as far as informing the investigators that he had read the newspaper for just about five minutes before getting on with the work after he returned home from lunch. He's like, you know, I had to I was at the pub. I came home for lunch. I read the newspaper for a little bit, maybe about five minutes. And then I started working again.
00:44:40
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So it's like he's trying to account for every minute. Like I wash my hands and then I realized maybe I didn't get enough soap. So I pumped it twice and then I want, you know what I mean? It's like every second. Yeah. And almost like things you wouldn't really recall. Like would you be able to say, Oh, I only read the newspaper for five minutes or would you just say, I read the newspaper for a little bit, you know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah. And he even got his worker, Charles Henry, who they called happy.
00:45:10
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Um, to confirm that he had joined, that Potter had joined him, pulping some man golds, which I have no, how do you pulp a man gold? I do not know. I don't know. Is that like a culture thing? Is that like, is that an orange? I don't even know if I know what a man gold is. Let me look it up. Oh, a beet. What? So I guess are we making beet juice?
00:45:41
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Maybe beet juice is interesting. Okay. You know, they're, they're up there in age, so they got to say regular. That's right. Get some beet juice. So this happy guy says, yeah, after he came home, he went with me and we popped, pulped some beets before we headed to look at the church clock.
00:46:05
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And they say then that it was 1 p.m. So they're pulping these and then they walk by the church clock and they notice that it's 1 p.m. And the wife says, oh, yep, that's what happened. She even notes that her husband had inquired about lunch after reading his newspaper and hearing it wouldn't be too long. He had joined in and the pulping.
00:46:28
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so they have like this whole story about he comes home from lunch he reads the paper for a little bit he asks his wife hey when's lunch and she's like it won't be too long and he's like well i have time to pulp some beets that was so ridiculous yep got some time to pulp some beets and like i just feel like this is
00:46:50
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totally different which is a totally different time period but like this conversation just I don't think what happened in most households in the year 2023 yeah I don't think so either though I feel like from here on out the next time something won't take long be like just enough time to pull up some beats that's what we need to start saying but but the counter Potter
00:47:20
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only seeing Charles on his way back from the pub before pulping those beats contradicted his earlier claims. Because if you remember, he told Edith before the discovery of the body that he had seen his uncle at work after he left the pub. Oh, yeah. So seeing him afterwards kind of throws that into it contradicts things. Interesting.
00:47:49
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And further contradicting things is in his initial statement. He said that he had to hurry home. He didn't stop and talk to Charles cause he had to go home and rescue this heifer. Tend to a cow. Yeah. Yeah. A cow in need. But we actually later discovered that the cow that he was rushing home to help was already dead when he was rushing home to help it.
00:48:17
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Oh, that's not good. The first of all, changing stories or having multiple stories isn't good. But the fact that we find out there was no cow in need does not bode well for power. It had been it had been plucked from a ditch. So like it had I guess drowned. I don't know. But it was already dead.
00:48:40
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And this what happened when did the cow had died? I read it was the day before. Oh, the cow died the day before. So we can't be rushing home for that. Right. Unless they're cooking up that cow meat. I don't know, but maybe you weren't rescuing a heifer. No, no, you were about to devour it. If that's the case. And Harry Beasley remember one of the initial trios also contradicted the account of Potter saying that
00:49:08
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with the fingerprints because he said he didn't remember seeing Potter check for any signs of life. He didn't stoop down to check for a pulse, none of that. So if Potter's fingerprints were to show up on any of the instruments that Charles had, they weren't there by him like steadying himself to bend down and check a pulse or anything like that.
00:49:32
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And Harry was adamant that Potter hadn't touched any of the murder weapons in his presence, even though they did go down the hill for a little bit. But he said, you're going to check for the pulse as soon as the body's found. Oh, yeah. They were all there. And he didn't do that. And even though Potter told police, hey, my fingerprints are going to be on these. They weren't. No fingerprints were found. It was almost like things have been wiped clean.
00:50:01
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My benefit of the doubt is dwindling. Yeah, that's slowly erasing a little bit. I did read that they questioned over 500 of Lower Quentin's residents and just interviewed them over the murder. That's a lot. They actually even interviewed children.
00:50:18
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Oh gosh. Yeah. That's not something we would do today. No. And they took 4,000 statements. They took samples of hair and clothing from the crime scene. The area was extensively searched, but investigators did say
00:50:34
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The residents were kind of reluctant to talk a lot or to give a lot of information. And I think part of that is, you know, that small town. We don't really welcome strangers in. We kind of take care of our own thing. But one of the investigators said, quote, there were lowered eyes.
00:50:54
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reluctance to speak, except to talk about bad crops, a heifer that died in a ditch. But what did that have to do with Charles Walton? Nobody would say. Cottage doors were shut in our faces, and even the most innocent witnesses seemed unable to meet our eyes. Some became ill after we spoke to them." So again, just more of that almost superstitious
00:51:19
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kind of, I feel bad saying backward, but that's kind of what it makes me think of, backward mentality. And so we're going to talk about now theories and motives and folklore all kind of wrapped up into one. So the first thing we're going to talk about is this possibility that witches are still at large or were at large in the community where Charles died.
00:51:50
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Hmm, okay. We're talking about this because one of the investigators, Investigator Spooner, stumbled upon a book called Folklore, Old Customs, and Superstition in Shakespeareland by J. Harvey Bloom. Because Stratford upon Avon is where Shakespeare's from. Yes. And that book had a passage
00:52:17
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which have been underlined that said, quote, a weak minded young man killed a woman named Ann Tennant with a hay fork because he believed she had bewitched him. End quote. Hmm. That's a weird passage to have underlined for someone who was killed with pitchfork.
00:52:40
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like a hateful work. Yeah, because the similarities between Charles Walton's murder and that of Antennas were similar enough to kind of cause some suspicion. So Anne lived in nearby Longhampton and was murdered on September 15th, 1875 at the age of 80. So also elderly.
00:52:58
Speaker
And she was killed on her way home from buying a loaf of bread in front of two witnesses by a man named James Hayward. And Hayward supposedly attacked her with this pitchfork slash hay fork, stabbing her in the legs and then in the head after a drinking binge. Interesting. Yes. When on the stand, he claimed that Anne
00:53:26
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was a witch and she was part of a local coven and he claimed that he was acting in defense of the village. He said
00:53:44
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according to true crime detective, that she had, quote, bewitched the cattle and land of the local farmers. And he went on to say, if you'd known the number of people who lie in the courtyard, who if it had not been for witches will be alive now, you would be surprised her a proper witch in quote. OK. Now, he was found not guilty. Not guilty. Because he was declared insane. OK.
00:54:14
Speaker
And he was sent to spend the rest of his life in a psychiatric hospital where he died in 1890. But there are some that believe in the community that that witch coven was still at large and Charles may have been a witch, thus the reason he was killed. Are you automatically a warlock if you're male and you're a witch? Okay, I need to know because
00:54:43
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Do you use witches? Like, does that group everybody together? Like that's the whole group of people. You know, or because I thought you were like a warlock if you were a man. I thought so too. But I don't know. I don't know if you were just automatically a warlock just because you're. Or like maybe that has to have special training to be a warlock. I don't know. But anyway, so they think he's a member of this group.
00:55:12
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this coven. Yes. And the coven rumor were rumored to meet on this neon hill, which is steep in witchcraft. There was a rumor that Charles had been inducted or introduced to witchcraft by this younger girl who had bewitched cattle by roasting a cow's heart on fire. Okay, that's total folklore. But yeah. Yeah.
00:55:38
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According to Medium.com, it said, quote, As far back as living memory, the hill has been associated with the cult and black magic rituals. Steeped in mythology, its very existence is said to have been the result of a row between the devil and the monks of the nearby Eavesham Abbey, end quote.
00:55:55
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So in this folklore tale, there's one tale that a really mad devil kicked a boulder at the abbey to destroy it. But through the power of prayer, the boulder fell on the ground and that is the hill. Then there's another that he like kicked a lump of earth toward the abbey. And when the prayers shielded the abbey, what fell to the earth was the hill.
00:56:27
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There are also Celtic folklore that surround that area so they believed that area was the home of the god of the underworld and that he was guarded by a pack of these really
00:56:45
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weird black dogs that would go hunting with him for unsuspecting mortals to populate his kingdom. And you know, to this day, witnesses claim that they encounter these dogs on me on Hill. So another little piece of folklore and obviously this hill where Charles was cutting was part of me on Hill. So it's just like this whole big circle.
00:57:10
Speaker
Mm hmm. To add to the black dog folklore. So this kind of reminds me of Harry Potter where Yeah, the Grimm is what I was thinking of. Yeah. And I wonder if she kind of got some of that from this folklore from that area. There were reports in that same book with the and story that there had been a black dog wandering around the town with a small boy by the name of Charles Walton. Oh,
00:57:37
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Okay, so on eight consecutive nights, this 14 year old Charles Walton, whose age would have lined up with our very own Charles Walton, encountered a ghostly black dog on his way home from the farm where he was working. When Charles says to the farmer, there's this black dog I keep seeing, the farmer's like, eh, you know, just forget about it, don't think about it. But the dog kept appearing.
00:58:05
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And it appeared one more time for not the final time. And this time the dog was walking next to him for a few minutes and then transformed into a headless woman. So this terrified him and he ran home to discover that his sister was dying from an unknown sudden illness. Oh my.
00:58:26
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And so from that time forward, some of the young neighbors, the Walton family, were suspicious that he had practiced witchcraft. And the legend of the black dog played a part of the investigation because in the first few days of that investigation, a police car knocked into and killed a black dog.
00:58:47
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They found a black dog hanging from a tree dead on me on Hill. And one of the investigators recounts seeing a black dog himself while searching for clues. And a few minutes later, a young boy appeared looking for something. And when he asked if he had lost his dog, the boy ran away.
00:59:10
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So we just have like all of this folklore just mixed in with everything. But I will say, I mean, to me so far, as intriguing as that is, it does sound like the stuff of legend. Yeah. Like it's interesting to talk about in a folklore-ish way. Yeah.
00:59:32
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Not in a, I think this, and this is coming from people who support the theories of Yetis and I support this theory. Yeah. And the next two I actually read on medium.com. So apparently Charles's friend, George Higgins was working in the same area about 300 yards from where the body was found. How George becomes a suspect is because apparently
01:00:02
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The two men had a falling out, I don't really know about what, around Christmas time. And they were still feuding in February. So a lot of people kind of pointed to him and said, you know, this would have been a prime opportunity for him just to make his way across the field and kill his friend. But the investigators, those two lead ones,
01:00:26
Speaker
are like, yeah, I don't really see that happening. They're both elderly. This was really vicious. Like this George guy is way too feral to beat the crap out of his friend and then stab him in the face with the pitchfork. Right.
01:00:41
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And then we still have the theory of that POW because close to lower Quentin was that Italian prisoner of war camp. And as the war was kind of closing out, the prisoners were given, um, we'll say unprecedented levels of freedom. Right. So they were sometimes used by local farms for cheap labor. They were allowed to travel to and from.
01:01:05
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work in the camp without being supervised. So a lot of people wonder maybe it was one of the POWs that happened upon Charles and just murdered him. I don't think that would be very likely. Yeah, I'm not feeling that. Because I would think their motive would be theft. Right. Yeah. Unless he said something, you know,
01:01:30
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completely off the wall to provoke an attack, but yeah, I'm kind of doubting it. I feel like more people would be like, yeah, he's mouthy. You know, if he's going to be the kind who would say something. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was about to say. And some people said like he would speak his mind if he needed to, but he didn't go out of his way to confront people. So.
01:01:59
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I just don't think that one really makes sense either. Yeah. The prime suspect in the case was and still is the owner of the farm where Charles Walton died and that is Alfred Potter.
Unsolved Mystery & Lingering Questions
01:02:15
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So there was a suggestion that the money issue
01:02:24
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Oh, where he said like, Oh, he didn't work enough hours compared to what I paid him for. Yeah. And there was also like a rumor that one or the other had borrowed money from the other one and it hadn't been repaid. And that had kinda put a damper on their friendship, but the niece Edith said that that didn't happen.
01:02:51
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We also have the really weird behavior throughout the investigation. Remember when he's shaking and he says he's cold and then he's like really obsessed with his alibi and his stories.
01:03:05
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Yeah. And he was really wanting to make sure they knew like my fingerprints are going to be on there just so you know, but it's not me, but you're going to find my fingerprints like that kind of thing. And then there were of course were no fingerprints because it looked like it had been wiped clean. Right. Eventually Potter was asked to supply this part. I thought it was crazy. So eventually investigators did say, Hey, you know what? Just to be sure we need the clothes you had on that day. Like we just want to like check and make sure. Okay.
01:03:35
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And he did turn over his clothes. There was a stain on the front of his trousers, which investigators said could have been blood. The issue here though is they have been so thoroughly scrubbed that they couldn't determine if it was blood or be able to like really take a sample or anything like that to compare to Charles's blood type.
01:04:02
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And we know that he gave those contradicting accounts of movements through that day and when he had seen Charles and all those changing testimonies. And then like we mentioned that thing about the money.
01:04:18
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I guess could Charles maybe have felt he was owed more money? Could Potter have thought Charles was lying about his time and that he confronted him and it turned into this bloody murder? I don't know. What do you think? I am feeling that as well. Like I said, the witchcraft theory seems to much like lore.
01:04:49
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The prisoner of war, I understand, but I feel like that suspect seems more like a scapegoat given the time, which means I end up with Potter also. And I'm with you. All those things that you mentioned, the changing stories, the feeling like he has to account for every second of the time and get
01:05:18
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you know, his actions corroborated by people around him. And the cow story, but then finding out that it had died before Charles's death. There are too many inconsistencies, I feel like, because, you know, especially then, and with not as many things that I imagine that you're doing in a day, I think everything that happened on a day when you discovered
01:05:48
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somebody dead, especially in Charles's condition, you would remember what you were doing right before that happened and it wouldn't change. So that's why I'm suspecting him as well. At least having more knowledge than what he's admitting. Yeah, I agree.
01:06:14
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The case of Charles Walton remains an enigma and a chilling unsolved mystery. Despite extensive investigations and numerous theories, no definitive answers have been found regarding the brutal murder on February the 14th, 1945. Theories ranging from witchcraft and the occult to World War II, prisoners of war,
01:06:33
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have been proposed, each with its own set of compelling arguments and speculative elements. However, the lack of concrete evidence and the absence of a clear motive continue to obscure the truth behind Walton's tragic death. The enduring fascination with the case stems from its unique blend of rural folklore, historical context,
01:06:51
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the sheer brutality of the crime. The uncertain times of World War II and the tensions within the community at the time further fuel speculation regarding potential motives, yet the lack of witnesses, forensic technology, and leads has hindered progress in solving the case, leading it to be remembered as one of Britain's most perplexing unsolved mysteries. The legacy of Charles Walton's murder lives on
01:07:11
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captivating the mods of true crime enthusiasts, historians, and those fascinated by the unexplained. With time passing and the number of living witnesses dwindling, it becomes increasingly unlikely that the truth will ever be fully uncovered.
01:07:23
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01:08:26
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Next love notes Maggie and Allison. And guys, this is a big week. Yes, I needed it. We have me too. We have lots. I mean, tons and tons of love going out to so many people because we've had so many people reach out to us on social media or email us. Mm hmm. Like Drea.
01:08:52
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Arlene, Holly, Paula, Brenda, Julia, Tony. You all think I'm done? I'm not. Michaela, Dana, Sharon, Kat, Amanda, Tracy, Sarah, Jesse, Kent, Kelsey, another Julie on email. You all are the real MVPs because we needed that this week. Yes, we did.
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And I love this personal connection that I share with Julie and her pronunciation of the word oil or some people would say oil. And I bet she also has trouble saying. Well, she's not even from Kentucky, which I thought was crazy because she said, but her grandfather, I think she said was.
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So it got passed down. Oh, she picked it up. I love that though. See, we're friends. We're connected with our accents.
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And we want to give love to those who support our little show another way as well on Patreon because you guys mean the world to us. And if you have not yet joined Patreon, please consider doing so because you will get some bonus content. And if you join at the 12, 15 or $20 a month level, you will also get quarterly swag boxes in addition to the content.
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And we got a cute little picture today of one of our Patreons. And yeah, in the shirt it was so cute. I can't believe we are down to only one more swag box going out though before baby Damon gets here. I know.
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It's going to be fine. Yeah. I have to birth a human, but you know, it's fun. And I thought, Anthony, like, is it just, is it me? Or is it every person that's like a new parent?
01:12:33
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You make the decision like, yeah, we're going to have a kid. And in our case, like we really had to think about it. Right. Yeah. You came with obvious. But then like you birth a baby and they just send you home with it with no training whatsoever. Yeah. Like even though you know, the baby's coming, it still goes from there being two of you to there being three of you. And it's yeah. Yeah. It's a little scary, but so exciting.
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it's gonna be fine. Yes it will. And if you would like to get in on swag make sure to join. Did get four new five-star written reviews which makes me very happy. Yes, yes.
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And we got one from Mrs. Rulo who said, quote, I love the chemistry between you two and the research you do is fantastic, end quote, which made me super happy. And one from I love steel drums who wrote, quote, ladies, I love your show and now you have completed me.
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I am 51 and lived in Caledonia, New York for 29 years, driving past Tammy Jo's headstone hundreds of times and never knowing her story. And now I do. Thank you so much for covering her case. I am shocked that you have even heard of it." End quote. I am amazed by that little review that I feel like
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That's a big accomplishment for us, right? Like finally was able to connect the dots. Yeah. Yep. I know. And it was just one that when I read about the case, I knew I needed to cover it and I'm glad you found us and you got to hear that story and make that connection. Yep. We also got a five star review from 1982 Philly, 2014 from Canada. I know you do.
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Who wrote quote, love your podcast. One of the good parts of my week in quote the best part of my week. Yeah. And a five star from baby Lynn who wrote, quote, I'm late to the party. You're never late to the party girl. You catch up. That's right. But she said, I'm late to the party, but the ladies are like friends I've known forever.
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It's taken me several weeks, but I'm caught up, aw, and sort of sad that I have to wait for new episodes now. The stories are thoroughly researched and the tone is always respectful. And their caring spirit comes through every time. And there's just enough chatting to get to know them." End quote. I'm telling you. You could join Patreon. Yes. If you haven't, then you would have got to catch up on. That's true. That was such a good review to read, though. That was good for my soul. Because we've been so overwhelmed and it's just
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We definitely needed to feel the love this week and our sleuth hounds delivered. Yes, per usual. Yeah. And with that, all of our love is going out to each and every one of you. Until next week, sleuth hounds.
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