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Speaker: Welcome to Sullivan Street. We're about to get into part two of August and everything after live at Town Hall. We're to start with perfect blue buildings, go all the way to Murder of One. We got the gang all here, so stay tuned and listen here at Sullivan Street.
Speaker: We're going to go into Perfect Blue Buildings. I think for hardcore Crows fans, there's pride there's my opinion. We'll find out what you think, that there's two major highlights on this live album. And one of them is this, Perfect Blue Buildings. And and yeah what what I like about this and some of the other ones is I'm not saying I like it better or worse, but it does give you an indication of how August might have sounded different if Dan and Emmy were officially part of the band at that point.
Speaker: And so this one has a much fuller sound. And then there's mandolins going around, electric guitars. I think there's even more organ than is ah than is on the album. um I had almost forgotten. ah By the way, the the the the the um the episode before this on our podcast, which has not been released as of today, we talked about Counting Throws themes. um with an author. It's really fun. And um yeah, I laughed at Perfect Blue Buildings has a monkey reference that I kind of forgot about. ah the first The first of the monkey reference. The first of the monkey references. um And also there's big a bit quicker tempo here. I also thought his singing performance, right? And there's Prince lyrics in there and and and Miller's Angels lyrics. 10 out 10. Love it perfect you build it. Perfect Blue Buildings. Let's go to Sean.
Speaker: Yeah. First notes to echo what you said is the Hammond organ and the mandolin are just, just create a really, really nice canvas for Adam here, um, to move around in it's, it's very ethereal. Uh, it adds so much depth to it. And on this track for me, it's less is more. It's so powerful with how understated the band is, uh, Yeah. Like, again, love the Prince reference. um And I picked up this lyric that, you know, in in in the record version, it says, I have friends who care for me.
Speaker: And in the live version, now it's, I had friends who cared for cared for me. So just from a very kind of deep version, a point of view, he's really looking back on this, you know, and and revisiting, I suppose, old ghosts when he wrote these songs. which again is something that we don't often see with Adam because he's not always super comfortable with that and not always super comfortable with sharing that with an audience.
Speaker: So I think there is a vulnerability there. And I think that probably comes from him getting back to where he needed to be, you know, after the few few years of difficulty. So yeah, i think um i think there's a lot of really nice little kind of nuances here and really granular details that you can pick up on. But yeah, just a really nice canvas, really nice understated tone of the song. And for me, it's better than the album version.
Speaker: Yeah, that might. Yeah, I have think about that. But it's, it yeah, that the how do I say um kind of rewriting history? He does it a little bit in Mr. Jones, right? Because like he goes, yeah you know, because but that there's not a lot of songs that he kind of changes.
Speaker: the lyrics a bit because of past tense or what are things now decades later um there might be some other ones but that's a great point by the way i'm not going to talk about all of adam's musings on stage but it is uh worth noting and i had kind of forgotten about this that he said um when he recorded the album it was his favorite song so that's worth saying uh steve to you Yeah, great song, great song. I echo what Sean says there. It was a really, really good live performance of it, ah probably better than the record. We don't hear it too much, do we? or right Certainly I've not heard it live too much.
Speaker: um And yeah, I loved the Prince lyrics at the end. I love those little, I love these little things that he puts in. And sometimes you have to go digging around to find out what they are as well. which just is brilliant because, i mean, can you remember prince the Princess podcast he did with when he when he was doing his podcast and it was like five episodes on Prince or something crazy? Yeah, with Camp, you're right, exactly. yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a big fan, isn't he? and And he went down a huge rabbit hole there. So yeah, it was great to hear. So yeah, a really good really good version of it for me.
Speaker: Jeff, to you. Yeah, ah the same thing. I love the stories that he tells during this concert. and In some ways, it's i mean a bit reminiscent of Storytellers, where he's going into the background on these songs, and he talks about the difficulty they had in recording this song and said it was the most difficult song that they did during August. And I think part of the reason is that maybe a little known fact about Perfect Blue Buildings, when it was written, it was like an upbeat, it was almost like ah an Omaha or something, you know, like an upbeat kind of rock pop song, um real slick and, you know, poppy.
Speaker: And they had to completely retool it and totally redo it because they said the music didn't, you know, fit like what the lyrics were about. And so they had to completely retool this song and change it into this slow, you know, melancholy sort of piece that you get here.
Speaker: And, um, I think they said that the process of like turning it into what it became is what made it so rewarding, but also what made it so difficult.
Speaker: um So yeah, I love it too. And the choice of Prince, such an interesting choice of Prince songs as well. and That album, Parade that it's on, it's the closing song of that album. And that album was the soundtrack to a really terrible movie called Under the Cherry Moon. It's about a guy named Christopher Tracy, played by Prince. And the song, Sometimes It Snows in April, is lamenting the death of Christopher Tracy at the end of the movie and at the end of the album.
Speaker: And it was not, it was a song that Prince played in concert quite a bit, but, and he would end concerts with it, but it became, ah it was never released as a single. It became a hit when Prince died because he died in April, 10 years ago. And the song is about a death and singing about I'll meet you in heaven someday and all this stuff. So it was a very, um an interesting choice just for Adam to do this long before it, um you know, became sort of,
Speaker: ah associated with Prince again, you know, but it was just an interesting choice. I mean, a really, really deep cut. And I would love to pick Adam's brain and find out what it was, how he sort of connected this to perfect blue buildings and, and why he chose that song. Cause it's a a very cool, unique choice. Yeah.
Speaker: And also the fact that, so obviously sometimes it snows in April as a Prince song, right? He sings that and he sings it somewhat similarly the way Prince sings that line. But everything that follows in that verse is not in the Prince song. Sometimes it snows in April, as that but sometimes the skies are gray. Sometimes it all looks so familiar to me. Sometimes it's so fucking strange. is not That's not in the Prince version. Again, unless some weird B-side version I'm not aware of in the Prince.
Speaker: I've never, I've never found that that you can actually connect that. So the, it's like the, the spark of inspiration of the line and then him going down. And then of course, connecting it to Miller's angels. um Can't you hear me? Cause I'm screaming, which he did. I mean, he does this a lot. i mean, talk it's interesting, Jeff, I thought about like, you know, it's the going back, right. Cause he had been doing that a lot in like 1994. Like this is essentially the 94 version of the song. Um, yeah,
Speaker: And I, I mean, Eric, you're right. When you're right, you're absolutely right. This is one of the best things on the record. It's spectacular. It's like one of the things that I'm i'm so always so sad that like they just don't go to this song much live um because I think it's tremendous. I think, again, particularly with the outro is really special. I actually saw them so...
Speaker: They had started doing the song, and I was aware they were doing it. And when I saw them a couple weeks before this in somewhere in Westchester, New York, Wappingers Falls, I believe, um ah when he played this, I lost my mind. It was actually at the show with my dad. My dad was like, are you okay? And I'm like, Dad, this is very important.
Speaker: don't know how to tell you how important this is. Just listen. Like, all right, okay. um But yeah, it's ah it's awesome. he It's an incredible performance band, and I think Adam crushes it in this one.
Speaker: Yeah, I was just looking at Perfect Blue Buildings. It still is their 45th most played song in their history, but um the last time they played it was 2015, and that was only once. So um it's been 11 years, and to put things in perspective – they' They've played it 12 less times than the Untitled Love Song cover. And um it's about tied with Butterfly in reverse. And the one is catching up on it. The one is is about 20 spots. after After another year or two, the one will have ah passed it. So, you know, if you if you don't count Reigning in Baltimore, because that obviously is, maybe not obviously, it's the song they play the least. I'm just looking now. Yeah.
Speaker: It's perfect blue buildings. And then a little bit under it, actually, which surprised me, is Ghost Train. thought that would have been a little higher. And reigning in Baltimore is also probably pretty tricky to sort of count in the sense that it's been used as an alt so many times that it's... that's right That's right. i'm not I have actually no clue. I'm bad i'm sure setlist.fm is certainly not a good, accurate reflection of that. you know No, that's true. um Okay. So I do not have any comments on Anna Begins because I've talked about this version of Anna Begins a lot. I love it. I think it's similar to how they still play. Maybe you've caught some other details. You can let me know. Sean, we'll go to you.
Speaker: Yeah, personal highlight for me. I love Anna Begins. I think Band really on point here. Backing vocals, as Steve says, are really good in this one at the end.
Speaker: Adam is really intense with it it. It kind of really comes out in the in the performance here. He's almost wrestling with himself going through it. um Yeah, not too much ah to add, but yeah, mandolin again sounds amazing.
Speaker: And the band are just leaving space there. And it shows a band that are really in control and really well road-worn that they can allow for those airy, airy kind of dynamic songs to come into their set.
Speaker: And yeah, they're just creating a really nice platform for Adam here. Steve, to you. Yeah, this is this is up there with in my favourite songs. I probably have three favourite County Crow songs, Long December This, and we'll we'll come on to another later. So it's up there. I think it's the greatest love song ever written.
Speaker: And as a Crow's fan, um I suppose I'm going to say that, but it is such a wonderful love song. I had a couple of kind of those holiday romances. where you're falling in love and you know, and you're probably not falling in love in hindsight, are you? But you think you are when you're young and it's happening and you're you're in so now somewhere ah warm by the sea and and you know it can't last and it can't continue. um And it just reminds me of it so much. So, um And some of the lyrics, you know, are where he keeps repeating, I'm not ready for this sort of thing. It just just resonates so much with me back back in in my youth.
Speaker: and There's some some wonderful words in there about the, you know, the the seconds when she's shaking, leave me shuddering for days. I just love that line. um And then the, again, the backing vocals, Sean's just touched on it. Obviously, they're a highlight for me, that where did this keep singing that rain comes down over and over again. towards the end. It's a really good version. um And to to hear it live performed so well, you know, one of my favorite songs. Yeah, it was ah it was a highlight for me, this one.
Speaker: Great. Jeff? Yeah, ah well, And it begins my favorite Counting Crows song. So I'm always happy to hear it. And this is so sometimes at the end of the song, he goes for the high notes um on the but I understand.
Speaker: Every word is kind of. um He does that here, which I think is great. And he does like a 10 out of 10 version. So I do love the ending of this song. I think it's it shows how well he does this.
Speaker: um Shout out to Don's Transmissions because they're a great band and he's wearing their shirt. And no, they're not really a great band. But I think also the something that's just interesting or struck me as I'm watching this is the evolution of his style as a performer um and his presentation on stage.
Speaker: I was watching this video. from that Washington, D.C. bootleg ah from 1994. And he's singing Anna Begins. They open the show with Anna Begins. He sings it so beautifully and so differently, too. I was really struck just how many different ways they can, like, literally he'll sing the same song a hundred different ways.
Speaker: And every one of them is good and interesting and, like, with different choices and not just small variations. Sometimes it's really different melodies and whole different you know arrangements and different phrasing. I mean, it's really fascinating. But his style as a performer, I think here you really see his performance has he's become like a real true performer. And so in 2007, we see him go out and present these songs in really dramatic fashion with almost like choreography, if you want to call it that.
Speaker: um And he's really like nails it as a performer. I was noticing, though, on this 94 show, for example, that he really wasn't at that level yet. Like he was an incredible singer and he was very compelling to watch, but he wasn't really so much of a extroverted performer like he is in this 2007 show. He was more of a like Jim Morrison holding onto the microphone, you know, and and not as, you know, not not getting up on the monitors and doing all that stuff that he became known for. I think it seems to me, and maybe Chris knows or maybe one of you knows, but it seems to me that
Speaker: Something on that first tour turned him into the performer that we see in Recovering the Satellites, the tour for that those shows. He's a totally different performer at that time. He's really much closer to what he does here. So it's just an interesting week to be watching these ah different performances of Anna Begins and considering how differently he approaches them as a performer.
Speaker: Are you muted, Chris? Yeah, I can't hear you. I think it's like that they were just working on it. They were playing so many shows in that August tour that I think it really helped him become that like and find what his thing was. And he was sort of a bit of the August tour, I think, is trying on personas sounds hard, but like trying to sort of let it let himself be different to figure out kind of who he was on stage um and so yeah by this point he's obviously the performer that we all know really well i almost think i almost think the analogy to the way he performs these songs in some ways when especially songs like this where he's sort of bringing out the lyrics it's almost as if it's not quite a perfect analogy but something like he's signing the songs you ever like watch a band that has a signer A lot of times that the things, that the movements that he's using, are he's sort of like, essentially it's it's it's it's very similar to a signer. i'm I'm thinking about this. I saw Bright Eyes last night.
Speaker: And, you know, Conor Oberst, not exactly um ah a whirling dervish on stage in any way. And there was a signer, and I found myself at large chunks, like, watching the signer. Because, first of all, it's incredible. I don't know if any of you guys are Bright Eyes fans. There's a lot of words in those songs. and And particularly, this was, they were playing all of I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning. So there's, like, no choruses on that record. It's all, like, it's, this is a hard job to be signing all of these songs. Yeah, wow. just a lot of words coming out. There's barely instrumental breaks. So incredible work to the signer, just thumbs up. um
Speaker: But yeah, I was just, so I was just thinking about that of like that, you know, she's there bringing out all of this energy and emotional feeling and he's just sort of standing there singing and Adam sort of combines it, right? He's, he brings out that energy and he brings out the sort of the, evocativeness to it. The other thing I will say about the song, Jeff, is that I was totally distracted during it because you're right. He puts on a Don's transmission t-shirt and I was trying to find what brand that was from. ChatGPT thought it was a Stussy shirt, but I don't think that's right. um And I just know that at this time i was like, and I'm still an obsessive kind of t-shirt guy. So, and Adam started busting out these different t-shirts. I'd be like, okay, where, like, which brand is this? Who is it? Like, and I, I know,
Speaker: I feel like I used to know this, but I could not find it. The other T-shirt related thing I will note in this performance is that he gets tossed on stage a T-shirt from something called the Pigeon Club. And I'm like, that's a T-shirt from You Can't Count On Me.
Speaker: But it's not. It's a very similar T-shirt, which suggests to me that he got this thing thrown on stage, liked it, and ended up getting another T-shirt, which is what he wears in the You Can't Count On Me. Look at the two things. They're very similar, but they are not the same. And I did that. um So i say I was a little distracted during Anna Begins because I was literally, I think I was like also Googling the You Can't Count on Me the video to watch the clip to make sure it was the same. but Oh, that's that's interesting. That's funny.
Speaker: yeah what What is, what we'll talk about it. What the Pigeon Club? I remember looking going a deep dive into that t-shirt, but that was 20 years ago. They were some kind of not New York nonprofit or something. Okay, right. It was like a nonprofit thing, right? Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, I have a super nerd fact about Anna Begins that maybe, i don't know. Chris k christ knows everything. So he this probably will not surprise him. But this was this was news to me.
Speaker: and We all know the story of how Anna and Adam met on an island in Greece and had a summer romance and then had to break up when the romance was over. Did we know that there was a reunion between the two of them in San Francisco months after the the time and their time together in Greece?
Speaker: and I don't think I knew that. This is new new. New hot off the presses. but Where did you find this, Jeff? Dude, i'm i'm I am the historian. It's my job to bring these stories to you. But this is this is what actually happened. And this is straight from Adam telling this story. Not to me, but in something that I...
Speaker: It's something that I read. um And so here's what happened. They they did break up, as the story that we know. Adam returns to San Francisco and starts working on counting crows stuff. And he's um she's getting ready to leave ah eventually Greece at the end of the summer. You know, this is a month or two later or something. And she's going to fly back home to Sydney, Australia.
Speaker: She was a landscape architecture architect. i don't know if you all know that. um And so she's going to go back ah ah home, but she's going to fly through San Francisco to see Adam um one more time. And and he was like, well, so he's writing the song. Anna Begins as she shows up in San Francisco and he's writing about his feelings. And so they had a reunion where they're kind of talking about you know, what, what um the only, the only way that it could work is for them to get married. And they decided they definitely didn't want to do that. So it does sort of end after this reunion in, in San Francisco, of course they stayed in touch, but she did reunite at the time that he was actually writing the song. And so he's really writing about his feelings as, as his relationship is still um ending, I guess you would say. Okay, yeah, I wouldn't have. Yeah, that's interesting that that that the song wasn't released yet, you're saying. He was still writing it when they working on it, yeah. So there you go, shocking, exclusive from Sullivan Street, TMZ. That's right. wonder do i i wonder where she is now. or i wonder where Anna is now.
Speaker: The reunion. He still talks to her from time to time. And she says this is her favorite song. It's mine too. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I'm sorry. That's what he said.
Speaker: Well, Jeff, je before we get to the last couple songs, I mean, I i agree with what you said and about the performance. And I've seen that a lot. And I've seen that. I liken it to like, um like he always had that side of him. i'm I'm sure the performer side, but you don't forget he's, he, at least he's self-proclaimed. I think sometimes he overplays it, but introvert, I think, you know, across the wire, doesn't he almost like not want to make eye contact with the audience? If I'm, I mean, I could be wrong about this, but that's what mean. Yeah.
Speaker: That yeah version of Adam Duritz is very different than the one that we see here at Town Hall or yeah even I think the one that we see in Recovering the Side. It's also bigger venues. He was a club performer for 10 years in Berkeley. And that's a very different type of venue than he's, you know, when you're opening for the Rolling Stones, for example.
Speaker: yeah I liken it to like a stand up comedian who knows that they are going to have to be a performer, but they don't have that part of their because how do they practice that? So maybe they're kind of introverts that are pretty funny and write jokes. Now, some of them are more extroverted, you know, like some of those, you know, the fret, you know, type comedians. But the other ones i yeah. And then you see, ah you know, a performance when they're younger and older and you're like, OK, now they're commanding the stage. But yeah, I have noticed that.
Speaker: All right. So this is ah so we're going to go to time and time again. And to me, this is the other five star. We'll see if Chris agrees with me on that. And in fact, I was almost upset. It's so good because of the joke about Chris and i that I like Ghost Train better than time and time again. That was like our original joke. But if it was like this on the album version, I might even be giving the nod to time and time again. um i wanted more focus on Bryson because, ah you know, have man crush on bryce on Bryson. Bryson.
Speaker: um I put something, is there more Charlie on organ here? Yeah. and Another great performance. And then I talked about Emmy and Vickery and how it's right. i i You know, having them there just makes a fuller sound. So I loved it. Let's, I'm going go to Chris this time first oh because of, yeah.
Speaker: Well, I'll say you you are right. This is amazing. And I loved, I loved hearing when they get kind of brought this back, I think it's like 2006. They started playing it again, but they played it a lot for that couple of years. It's such a great song. And I wish they'd, they'd,
Speaker: it's been, i think it was, it was 23, whatever year they were touring with dashboard. They were playing time and time again, a lot again, which is awesome. I think it's a, this is a fantastic version. I think there's one more, really like a plus on this uh record eric that we'll get to yeah um yeah this was i think this is awesome and the organ to your point the organ is fantastic i think that's part of it right that the organ and really kind of like figuring out some of the more dramatic to jeff's point about about you know way the the this versus the album version some of the more dramatic aspects that they figured out over time
Speaker: really enhance this. Yeah, and I mean, Adam talks it, but this goes to your other point. Adam talks about, hey, every time, i think a a lot of times it's because of Anna Begins and he's like, I know people love this song. It's different. We learned how, this is how it should have been, or we learned how to play it, etc. But um but i wish he would bring back more perfect blue buildings and time and time again, like you said, if, Hey, you know how to play it now. We love it. Let's, let's hear those. It's great. Let's go to Sean. Sean.
Speaker: Yeah, and I've, I've an interesting kind of thing with this song. I think the live version here is completely elevated, like versus the album version. I, if, if, if there was a skip track on August for me, this is it, and which is probably ah a cold take, but um the live version for me is completely like elevated completely. Like the musicianship here, you talk about Amir on the, on the steel, steel guitar. And then the organ, at the Hammond coming in there heavy is, is completely elevates the song. and Yeah, it's, it's so much better in my opinion than, than the record. I think the musicianship is probably, it's probably the height height of the music musicianship here as far as dynamics and stuff like that. So yeah, and really kind of elevated versus the recording and just sounds great.
Speaker: All right, Steve, any thoughts? Yeah, very strange, Sean. I feel exactly the same. It is a track I sometimes skip, ah but they they you know they played it really well in this case.
Speaker: I love the bass line. I love the bass line of this song. um It really just drives it along and is usually there in the quiet bits as well. and I love the lyrics. Again, I keep saying this, I'm a lyrics guy, and and I love that. you know i wanted to see you walking away from me.
Speaker: i get the sensation of you coming home. I love stuff like that. and So it's a great song and it was a great, it's a great version of it. um and And it's funny, isn't it? Like like you've just said there,
Speaker: You know, it's not my favourite song, but then when you hear it live and you hear him doing it really well and certain lyrics are emphasised, so that stood out to me this time. Something I've not probably ever really picked up on, on the yeah on the album version, but when it's ah things are emphasised in a live performance, it just it just makes you like it a little bit more. So yeah, yeah, great version of it.
Speaker: right, Jeff, any thoughts? Yeah, not not much to add. I mean, I agree. This is a ah great version of a ah great song. i always wanted to know, because this song was written with Don Dixon. Don Dixon was, when when they were trying to figure out a producer for the album, and they worked with a couple of different folks. George Draculius being one, he produced The Black Crows. first two albums.
Speaker: And Don Dixon, who produced, co-produced the first two REM albums. Adam's a huge REM fan. And so they did ah some kind of experimental sessions with Don Dixon to try him out as a producer. Obviously, they didn't continue to work together.
Speaker: But they did write this song while they were working with Don Dixon. And so, one, i always want, i if I ever get to talk to Adam again, I want to ask him why they didn't have Don Dixon do the album.
Speaker: Obviously, i think T. Burnett was a great choice and the the perfect choice. But you would think, given Adam's REM fandom, um and Don Dixon, by all accounts, seems like a pretty laid back, easy going guy.
Speaker: You just wonder why they didn't say, yeah, you know, i think we'll we'll trust that this will turn into something, giving as given his track record with R.E.M., The Smithereens. Don Dixon has recorded and produced a lot of great stuff.
Speaker: um Oh, another fun, weird fact. The Smithereens have a song called Time and Time Again, produced by Don Dixon. So there you go. But yeah, I thought this was a great version. And I want i want to know more about the Don Dixon story. I i can't find any dirt on that. You guys got to get him on the podcast and and dig in on this, on on what happened with his production of August and everything after. And also... Don Dixon, you mean?
Speaker: Or Adam? Yeah, you got to get him on the show. Either one, I guess, would be probably... That'd be fine. don't think it's saying no to Adam either, yeah. No, yeah. But it would be interesting. It'd be weird though. Cause it's like, it may not be a long podcast. Don, do you have like 20 minutes to talk about this band that you almost produced?
Speaker: Well, but he did, he wrote a song with them and also, um you know, worked with them enough that, that I think he would have some service, but yeah, I'd like to know like, what did you do and how did this song come together? How do you end up writing a song together? It's just interesting.
Speaker: All right. Got um four more tracks on the on the live album. We'll go to Rain King, which is, i don't have any comments. It's Rain King. Oh, no. This is so much more than Rain King.
Speaker: We'll go to Sean. Sean, what's your feeling? Okay. Time for me to to take the nerdiness to another level. I am a Springsteen nut. So he brings in Thunder Road here. And i know it's it's been done before, but the energy that that brings to this track, I think, is like you can hear the crowd like elevated straight when he when he hits into the the screen door slams kind of thing. And um it just takes it on a completely different ride of ah of of a track. um And then the way they bring it back in, the tightness of the band here is just so impressive as far as watching him, where he's going, where he's moving. And then when they crack back into and inter Rain King, and it's just...
Speaker: an incredible moment. It just, it really just, the band cuts loose. And I think that was needed because you had, you had like two or three tracks before that, Perfect Blue Buildings, Anna Begins, and Time and Time Again, where there was a little bit of the band holding back and kind of dynamically being that kind of angstiness. ah It was kind of, it was tempted to to break out and go loud, but this is the band cutting loose for me. And it's, I think that's probably when they're at their best. um But yeah, the Springsteen, Springsteen, and use of of Springsteen here is great and yeah just really kind of I think it needed it a pickup of tempo and just to bring it to that next level and it's a perfect song for that all right Steve any thoughts
Speaker: Yeah, just just on the Springsteen thing, um I've only recently really got into him. So it was funny. It's funny. ah i've I've heard this many times and to come back to it and really appreciate what what he did there. You know, it was fantastic. I love how you hear the crowd react. Some get it straight away and some get it when when he gets into, when he actually says Thunder Road, which is amazing. I loved the thundering drums to start with on this one. is the The drums really start on their own.
Speaker: um I noticed, apple I think he plays it in a few songs, but Dan's playing this beat-up old Telecaster and you can hear it really hear it eyeing the mix, obviously. It really adds to it. and But yeah, the Thunder Road alts. I mean, who can who can do that? And and again, he's he's not even singing it to start with, is he? is It's almost like a poem ah at one point. He's not singing Thunder Road. He's he's he's reciting it almost um before he actually starts to sing it.
Speaker: And again, i i said it i said it earlier with Round Here. I love, you've just said it, Sean. I love how, I mean, it must take such such effort to just drop back in. It's almost like they never did an alt. They just jump in and carry on playing again. um Yeah, and it's just a great example of how good they can be live to do this kind of thing. I love the song anyway. So yeah, absolutely fantastic.
Speaker: right. Thank you. um Yeah, I guess I will say that at I'd have to test my memory. and And Jeff, sorry, Chris knows I'm not as ah ah much of an alt guy as him, but I do think that the Thunder Road might be my favorite ranking alt. So I did appreciate that. Let's go to Jeff.
Speaker: Yeah, so same thing. I'm a huge Springsteen fan and just love the way that they incorporate so much of Thunder Road also into this song.
Speaker: And in some ways, maybe it's the perfect Springsteen song for Adam to do just because there's so much about Thunder Road that... um has influenced Adam, I think. you know I mean, they're like, we're going to you know hit the road together and you know blow out of this loser town and, and um you know...
Speaker: the the sort of romance of the highway and and all of that. um ah And of course, there are plenty of connections between just musically, if you listen to the end of Thunder Road, that is the beginning of Bobby and the Rat Kings. The sort of, you know, the the you know the rhythm, the the rhythm that they do at the end of Thunder Road is is sort of the the basis for Bobby and the Rat Kings.
Speaker: And can I just say that Butter Miracle One is so freaking good. um I think maybe ah with with as good as two was, i think maybe one you know like lost a little a bit of the shine. It is so good. Tallgrass is so good. Bobby and the Rat Kings is so good. Elevator Boots is so good, man.
Speaker: That um Butter Miracle first one is just phenomenal. And the freaking movie they did with it, Good God. yeah i mean I was going to mention that. It was it made end yeah like not made sense of it, didn't game It is just so offensive that they're not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and like the Go-Go's are and NWA or whatever.
Speaker: When they're doing things this creative and this interesting. you know Anyway, sorry, a little digression there. But Am i am i right that Face the Promised Land, the bootleg, was because Adam sang it wrong, sang the lyric wrong or something? Yeah, and that's when they started doing it. It's kind of, at this point already, that's also kind of like a classic alt that they're bringing back here um because they hadn't done that, at least hadn't done it regularly in a few years. um And yeah, I mean, they sounded...
Speaker: This sounds great. I love this version. I love, and I love Springsteen. Actually, it's not maybe a little before this, but I was like really into that Springsteen storytellers where he does a piano version of Thunder Road, which is great. Yeah, I think it sounded great. This is actually interesting. You mentioned Jeff that they didn't, after they did the full run through that they didn't want to practice, right? But they did practice certain songs. and They talked about how they they started playing electric rain King somewhat regularly. If you go back, there's a farm aid performance that's on tape.
Speaker: and they played Electric Rain King there just because Miller hadn't done it. Right. He just hadn't. He'd never played it before. And so we had to learn it and did it great. And I think that's part of why this version, I think, sounds really good is that it's um for a lot of the other guys, it's remembering for so you know the rhythm section. It's basically all fresh. They hadn't done it. you know So it's really kind of of a fresh new thing that they're learning how to do. And there's a certain energy behind it that that comes out of that. So it's a great version Rain King.
Speaker: All right. Yeah, there we go. And and but again, of course, I love Ranking Live. It's their showstopper. Yeah, just ah right. I kind of said my piece on that in in the past. Have you all seen Springsteen Live? I'm just curious.
Speaker: Yeah. I have not. I have not. Just once. I have not. I've only just discovered him, and I feel like I need to go and see him live. Yes, I only... Stop, please.
Speaker: um the first So I've been a long you know lifelong Springsteen fan, but I had never seen him live. And in 2012, I was actually in London, England. He was playing in Hyde Park. And I was like, I'm totally going to go. you know So I got a ticket. I went by myself and to this concert. It's a huge outdoor festival, 100,000 people there, or whatever. Springsteen comes on.
Speaker: And he just comes out with his guitar and starts singing this song. And the entire audience is singing along like at the top of their lungs and freaking out and going crazy. And I'm going...
Speaker: it know what song this is. You know, like I thought I was this big fan. Obviously this is one of his huge songs and I'm not sure what this is, you know, did you let show with the crazy. They're singing at the top of their lungs.
Speaker: And then finally he starts singing the, you know, chorus or whatever, Thunder Road. And I'm like, Oh, okay. This is Thunder Road. I really need to go do my homework on this song. um I need to know this song a little better, obviously than I do. Cause obviously it's one of his great songs. And I remember going at that point, like, really listening to this song carefully and realizing how great it is it's just funny yeah had no idea what it was yeah i' it No, i haven't I have not seen them. Although I kind of, part of it is that the when he, but when was it?
Speaker: About 20 years ago, at least in my mind, he had a bit of of a live resurgence where kind of these 40 year old groupies would go all the time, you know, it became a thing, even people that weren't really into him in their twenties. So I kind of boycotted after that, but I never went to begin with, but I don't Don't boycott Eric. Don't, don't, don't. He's as good as they say live. He's amazing. I'm sure. i'm sure there's a reason he's so popular. So, all right. So let's go to Sullivan street. Again, we've talked about this. We named the podcast after the song. We both like this song, Eric. But I remember we were, I was debating a few different names and I said, i I was leaning towards this one anyway. And then my sister is the one that put me over the edge because some other people were saying other songs, but I was like, no, no,
Speaker: I want to be hanging out in Sullivan street. um No, it's pretty much the same version as they play now. I think it correct me if I'm wrong. We'll go to Chris, Chris. Why not? No. So I think but what they've added now, the longer like ah intro that Emmy does. Oh, right. I think it was that wasn't there yet. And this is it's pretty, otherwise it's pretty similar. um Although they drop in the the runaway alt, which is not like my favorite, but um I actually really love the, the sort of the story part at the beginning where oh yes Adam is telling the story over the piano.
Speaker: ah And I actually don't think, again, i maybe I'd forgotten this. I must have known it at some point. But I think I thought there was a Sullivan Street somewhere in San Francisco, which there isn't. which But of course, obviously, there is one in New York. So Adam subconsciously was preparing himself to both leave whoever this girl was and move to New York. so Because he lives not far. I mean, wherever exactly he lives, it's it's not far from Sullivan. But he is referencing...
Speaker: San Francisco right it's just yeah yeah yeah so the song is happening in San Francisco yeah for sure but did did he say yeah and then but the Sullivan Street i don't even think he knew in New York ah now I'm forgetting where he got the name because that's such a small street in New York too it's not like Lexington Avenue or something like that so um yeah really interesting yeah I think I heard him mention it at one point it might have been a street either it sounded good or it's a straighty new in Maryland or something I don't know um okay Sean let's go to you Sullivan Street Yeah, again, I just want to echo what Chris was saying. I love the intro and Charlie's playing the piano, setting like a really nice scene. And actually, I would say that the the talking before is very Springsteen-esque too. and If you hear kind of a lot of the long kind of storytellers-esque things,
Speaker: Springsteen intros to songs he goes into the kind of and she lived across the tracks kind of thing you know so it was very like that you know so I loved how he came to like again i think Adam sometimes can get into getting into shtick too easily with getting into songs and he uses humor and stuff as maybe a cover up for things but this was very candid and honest and again vulnerable um and it added so much depth for me and And it just, again, they're able to, i know I keep going over this, but they're able to sit on the silence as a band. They're able to let like, just musically let things chill and let it get to a point and then just dynamically bring it up for the chorus. It was, it was a masterful version of this song, but I love Sullivan street. So yeah, I just, I love the start of it.
Speaker: All right, let's go to you, Steve. Yeah, I mentioned at the top of this podcast, Sullivan Street was the first song I heard that got me into this band. So again, it sits there as one of my favourites.
Speaker: at I know you guys have all said it, but I've got to repeat it. that That intro, that piano, that meandering piano over the story, the story just sets you up fo for for what is it a great song.
Speaker: um I loved, I made note here, I loved him. He was playing Slide on a Gibson SG and that that really stood out again in the mix. I just, yeah, it's one of my favourite songs. I love...
Speaker: I love the piano-based Crow songs. I really do. You know, the Long Decembers and and and that of the world. so So this sits up there with me. um Yeah, wonderful song. Great version.
Speaker: I'm not sure about the... What is that alt? Does anyone know? Or is he does he just ramble? Oh, I actually... Yeah, they did it they did a bunch in this period. they It's like starting in maybe 2004.
Speaker: um The thing I've never liked about it is that they... um it's is sad This will sound weird, but what i what I've never liked about the alt is how much fun they're having singing it.
Speaker: um because i think I think it wrecks them. I think i think they're having so much fun singing that it wrecks the mood of the song. Yeah, I get you. And it's like, no, no, no, that's not where we were, guys. Again, you have a great time, but it but it just like for me, it just sort of like takes me out. And I think there's other ones um that they've done in the middle of that song, like the the um the Summertime song scene they started doing in 2012.
Speaker: I think it's amazing. I think that really works super well. And this one just sort of I don't know. It doesn't gel with the song the way some of the other things they've done it do for me. Chris, I think they still do this all sometimes, right? Occasionally they'll do it. they but like I think they bust out once or twice in the last couple of years, but they haven't, not super regularly, from like 2012 to like 2018 or so, they were doing the summertime song thing. um Yeah, they'll do it occasionally. Yeah, I want to say one of the ones I saw in the last two years had this, but I could be wrong. yeah ah Jeff, any other thoughts on Sullivan Street, the song, or the podcast? Well, it's the number one Counting Crows podcast, of course. No, nothing to add. that everybody's Everybody's kind of covered it on this one, but it's it is a great version. like the alt. I think it's just fun to hear them do alts. ah
Speaker: even if Even if, on any song, really, if they're doing it all, I think it's often pretty fun. So I liked that i like this version. All right. Two more songs to go. ah Ghost Train is next. I didn't put many um um notes here. You know, Dan has ah has a more prominent role, of course, considering he didn't play in the album version. Right. So there's another shirt change. That's an important the national, right? Oh, is it? I don't think it's the Nationals. I think it's like ah an old like baseball team.
Speaker: I was wondering. I was like, is this a band or is this a baseball team? I couldn't tell. Oh, that's funny. um <unk> um Chris, I'm going to go to you again. but What are your thoughts on Ghost Train? I'm with you. This might have a ton. of Again, it sounded good. i like i'm I'm like not as big a fan this one on the record. And I think, but like, again, I think this one sounds great live. And I think it's a much like, If I had a skip track on August, it might be this, but I think live, this sounds so cool and the guitar aspect of it. um And I think it does. Adam, again, smart guy. Adam's right to jeff soman Jeff's quote thing, right? That this sort of like sets the dynamics, interestingly, the way the way Sullivan Street goes into this um sort of slower intro really works kind in a cool way.
Speaker: Yeah. Okay. Sean, do you? Yeah, not too much either. i am Super vibey. That guitar at the start is great. um And it adds so much to what could have been on the record. and Yeah, just really that is the main thing. Sounds great.
Speaker: Really cool live song. Band are really in the pocket on this one as well. and So yeah, not too much that. All right, Steve, what's good you? Yeah, even less from me. This is not my favourite song.
Speaker: um I don't hate it or anything. it's just It's just down the bottom of the list for me. and But yeah, echoing what you've all said, Dan's intro was amazing. um Really, really added added something to it. But yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I love Ghost Train. that Chris, did you, when they played, because didn't they, did they bring back Ghost Train um when Dan was sick? Recently? No, right? Because they had time, they were playing time and time again. don't think It was time and time again that kind of came back in 23. And they were playing Sullivan Street more. Yeah, but I don't think they played Ghost Train there. Okay. Oh, look at this. So the last time they played it was in Sheffield, Steve, in 2022.
Speaker: Ah, okay. I would have been there. Yeah, so they did play it twice in that tour. And before that, it was six years prior. um Yeah, so they really kind of played it around 11 to 14. And then they basically stopped playing it for the most part, a little bit here and there. so okay. So, yeah, all right.
Speaker: I almost like the album version better. I like this because I i like i actually like the song. I like Ghost Train a lot. One of my favorites. I forget where I ranked it. But um of course, it's an OANA begins, but I love the song. ah Jeff, any thoughts on this version of Ghost Train?
Speaker: Yeah, it's ah it's another good one. I do like Dan Bickery's kind of guitar-based intro and and what he kind of adds there. The song itself, I think, is really cool. Adam says that he uses these images a lot. Both ghosts and trains show up a lot in his songs throughout the years.
Speaker: And he said that... you know this is It's a good example of of how he's a good writer because basically Ghost Train is like your baggage that you carry with you. It's it' you know the ghost of the memories that you have and the train is like that you take them with you throughout your life. And so when you get into a relationship with somebody, it's like you both get on this train that are full of your old ghosts and your old baggage and all this kind of stuff. It's just an interesting image and and is sort of his poetic twist on things that make him such a unique writer. so i love the actual concept of the song. and He says when he refers to trains and ghosts at different points and throughout his career, he's referencing this concept you know that it's a ghost train and this baggage that we carry with us.
Speaker: Yeah, and well, Jeff, that'd be great promotion of the, um but at this point above the of the of the episode that we recorded before this, which is not out yet, but ah but those are the kind of things we talk about. And we think, I think ghosts and trains are mentioned and memories, of course. So,
Speaker: Jeff, do you agree with me, though, on the album version, especially and maybe some of that I think I got to find out? I don't think anybody's talked about it but T-Bone that in Ghost Train, the drum beat and almost the boom, boom. Like it it to me, it has a train sound to it. like see If you you go listen to it tonight or this week and see if you feel that. But it it feels like I don't know. I always thought that that was on purpose, but maybe it was accident. Yeah.
Speaker: So let's go to that. Chris, this must be what you're thinking as a showstopper. I, you know, I've always, I gave it away. Cause that's okay. i put it that it's a ton of fun. You know, maybe it just didn't, um you know, I love this version. and i love murder of one. I want them to play it more. I know it takes a lot of energy to play it. um The quote unquote right way. I guess it um didn't strike me as that much better than the live at the 10th spot recording, which I also love. So that's why didn't. I guess I love the Doris day thing. I think that's so good.
Speaker: and I think the, the, that in the middle, the is really just sort of opens it up. Does he also do Doris day at live at the 10th spot though? He might. I don't think so. I think that's a, I could be wrong. that's a door But that, you know, you may be thinking of, I'm pretty, it's, it may be in the night, the, the August, um,
Speaker: extended, because there's an exceptionally long version Murder of One on the reissue. It's like the famously long, it's like a 15 minute version of Murder. I think there's multiple things in that version. It's like, it's crazy. It's a great... You've got an orangutan, an elephant, a zebra, he's got the whole zoo on his feet. That's true.
Speaker: And I'll go to you, Chris. the only The only other thing that I noticed that really stood out to me watching this the other day on the video was... um I really feel this is where emy emmy shined a lot.
Speaker: I said that he added a lot because you know he added... Right, because he likes to do things. He likes to play, right? Maybe somebody could say, oh, Emmy, you shouldn't play there. whatever But in this song, if you watch again, Emmy, he adds a lot to the loud portions and he also adds a lot to the silent portions. yeah But it doesn't come through as gratuitous. It comes across as like this really adds something. So a big two thumbs up to Mr. Immergluck on this song. And Chris, I'll go to you.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I just think they really kicked the shit out of this one. It sounds great. i love the bit in the middle. I love that um when he says, when he gets to the, like, I've been to Paris and been to Rome. Yeah. um he But he gets, I've been to New York City and I'm home, right? Which is a, gets a nice big pop. right.
Speaker: It's kind of a nice thing. I mean, he's always, of the songs where he's often singing about New York City, like, um you know, talking about the mid Bitten Holiday in Spain and Washington Square. It is nice to, this this one has like such a great pop in it. Again, they should maybe just bring it back in New York, Adam. him among What is he I'm suggestions here. What does he say about New York at the 10 spot version?
Speaker: is it Is it still alone? I forget. I'd have to go back and listen. I don't think he says it. He's like, I've been to Paris. I've been to Rome. I've gone to London. I am all alone. I don't think I think he says New York City, but I could be wrong. Oh, im yeah I'm in New York. I haven't thought about that in a while.
Speaker: Yeah. But I don't think it says home yet because he wasn't living there at the time. Right. It would not have been home yet. So, yeah, I just it's I don't know. I don't have a lot deep to say that. It's just great.
Speaker: It's so great. And they should bring that song back. I'm going to change it up and give it Jeff. yeah Let's give your thoughts on Murder of One. If you're ready. um Yeah, it's great. Well, like I said, anytime you have an orangutan in a song, especially a sweet one, then yeah yeah're you're doing something right.
Speaker: um I actually did. i was listening to the Sorted Humor songs this week in preparation for this and ah again, Doris Day, outstanding.
Speaker: i think it's only on YouTube, but you can find the whole album on YouTube. The Doris Day song is great. Hello, My Sweet Orangutan. And as I'm listening to this song, i I don't know. I was like, did this have some influence on Monkey? Could it possibly have influenced it? Because This is this very kind of poppy song, and he brings in this kind of absurdist concept of an orangutan in the song, but he's singing it affectionately. Clearly, in Doris Day, the sweet orangutan is about you know a significant other, and i thought and so is Monkey. you know i don't I don't know. just I wondered if there was a connection.
Speaker: I also love the inclusion of Red Hill Mining Town by U2. That's very cool. um As Adam explains it, he said, that kind of music was has been this one thing that's always kind of been there for him that saved his life.
Speaker: And when everything else was you know going to hell, he always had music to hang on to. And he said that that's what he was kind of referencing in this song. He was singing it as like, you know, you're always left to hold on to. He's always got music. And that's what he was singing about when he was bringing in the U2 song here. I thought that was very cool. Kind of insight into what he actually how he was kind of using that.
Speaker: All right, Sean, your thoughts on the final track here? Yeah, I just love, you know, for me, the band's breaks come off here and in the best possible way and they just cut loose. And um I love that that detail about Red Hill Mining Town. and It's a really interesting reference in that song.
Speaker: I think for me, it's just it captures the the mood of the evening. I think it's a real triumph for the band. I think it's the band and coming through a difficult time in their history. And it's capping off the end of like a time that was was difficult. And and and it's a great way to end the show that evening.
Speaker: And even better that it ends that the album as well. So, yeah, just really cracks it open, rocks out. um Sounds great. Sean, being from Ireland originally, yeah how do you what's your what's your thoughts on you two? I don't know why since you we it came up.
Speaker: um Mixed. I think they're mixed specifically. yeah I mean, their, their, their catalog. i I don't think anybody can argue too much of their catalog, but I think it's the outside of the music and can be a little divisive, I suppose. and They are not the favorite.
Speaker: at home um as as people but uh i think they're specifically their early catalog is is incredible so if you can separate the art from the artist they're very important you know and and and what they've done for music as far as kind of pushing it forward pushing what what live music can be for it is great but uh yeah it wouldn't be the favorite sons of dublin i don't think all right uh steve i'll go to you Yeah, love this. This is, um yeah, the energy in here. I mean, he was he was close to smashing that drum kit up, I think at some point he was beating the shit out it. um
Speaker: This, you're going to laugh at this. So, My Tattoo is the lyrics from this song. So, My Tattoo, I've got down here, it says, i've got I walk along these hillsides in the summer neath the sunshine. i am feathered by the moonlight falling down on me.
Speaker: And they don't sing it. They don't sing it. They they cut it out when they do an alt of this version. They chop. My favorite County clause Crows lyric ever, they chop it out when they do an alt.
Speaker: So I've got that tattoo. I love those lyrics. And it's not very often I get to hear them actually sing it live because they always chop it with the alts. But yeah, absolutely love this song.
Speaker: um I also, ah there's a funny lyric that I used to get wrong. So where he sings, there's a bird that nests inside you, hidden underneath your skin. I used to think, for years, I thought he was singing, there's a perfectness inside you, hidden and underneath your skin. And it's only recently I've realized I've been singing the wrong lyric forever.
Speaker: So you're going to get that stuck in your head now. you'll be'll You'll be singing my long wrong lyric. but That's a good line too. you know yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. yeah i see it's interesting to see It's around this time that they were doing Long December with the like the Feathered by the Moonlight. in like the They'd sort of like break down the piano thing. and before But then I wonder if they just he's like, I'm doing it there. And like he just, I don't know, like wasn't thinking about it in murder. i Yeah, yeah, yeah. i love it. Like I said, I've got it tattooed on me. And yeah, it's such annoying. It's so annoying when when they chop it out with the alternate. But yeah, still, maybe that makes it a little bit more special because it's it's rare to hear it. But yeah, yeah, it's such a shame it's not on this version. but just So Steve, it's...
Speaker: So Steve, as we wrap things up, um I'll give you a chance to give some final thoughts. And then also, or um you don't have to show us, but but where did you decide to get your Crow's tattoos? I think you said you had two or three?
Speaker: I've got two I've got. Yeah. I've got the, I'm not going to definitely not going to show you. I've got the, they're on my side. I've got the star on the my ribs there. Okay. And I've got the the the lyrics down, running down my side there.
Speaker: they They looked a lot better when I was younger and a little bit slimmer, but yeah, I still love them. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, final thoughts. um Yeah, absolutely amazing. um Yeah, what a show that was it was. It was a real treat to to hear the album played like that. I enjoyed it.
Speaker: All right. And Sean, any other final thoughts about the the crows or, or us or, or down hall? These are all great. um third yeah No, I think it was, look, I think it was really interesting to see what what I really wanted to look at as well was where were the band at this time, as far as a band, you know, and they had obviously fallen out as far as the media darlings of of bands at the time. They weren't getting the kind of success as far as reviews as they were before.
Speaker: And I really looked at kind of who was at the time in 2007, what bands were the kind of media darlings of the day. And what I think this ah as a band counting crows, but, but, but what i I think of, you know, looking at this performance is that the great catalogs and the great music and the great songwriting lasts.
Speaker: And it it, you know, even though they weren't seen as, you know, they were, they were slated for, for, for their lyrics and they're slated for their songwriting. And and Adam was, was slated in many ways, but look at them now, like those bands that I looked up in 2007, that were the big bands of the day are nowhere to be seen now.
Speaker: And that whole, you know, um, that culture of songwriting and that culture of vulnerable songwriting and and what Adam does has come full circle and is completely back in what is deemed to be cool now.
Speaker: So for me, it's ah a triumph for for songwriters and for good songwriters and for good art. And I feel like they're just a great example that good art lasts and kind of goes past fads, you know? So yeah, that was, it was an amazing performance.
Speaker: All right. And Chris, I'll leave it with you just because you ah actually were there, which must have been really cool that you got a chance to experience it and just final thoughts. And we'll. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. So it was amazing show and it's it up a little bit. Right. So we have a there is a a B level sort of recording of the rest of the show um because you couldn't bring all they normally an open taping band. You couldn't bring taping gear in. So it's ah a thing. you know They played five songs from Saturday nights and Sunday mornings, um you know which is sort a Cowboys, Washington Square, Hanging Tree, Michelangelo, and Come Around, which was very exciting at the time. Retrospectively, I mean, it's the songs sound good, but it was a very exciting thing at the time of like, oh, shoot, they played the new one
Speaker: but the right after the old one what a kind of a fun kind of combination of things to do um but it was i think a little bit from an energy perspective my memory is that a little bit it's a bit of a you know not a letdown but like they just laid out like that version of murder it's it's hard to come like follow that um and then there is a final sort of second encore where chris carabba um And then Dave Gibbs and Chris Seyfried, who they'd played with a bunch of times, joined them. that The recording is hilarious because someone screams so loud when Karabba comes out. Like, oh, it's Chris Karabba. Like, ah! But they played Meat on the Ledge, Angels of the Silence's acoustic, which was really cool.
Speaker: Ballad of El Goodo, which I've always loved and i think the thought sounded great. and then You Ain't Going Nowhere, the the Dylan song in the band. And a Dylan in the band song. But yeah, and just it's just, ah again, like it's certainly what's maybe still the longest show I've seen them play. It's like over, again, not counting the traveling circus shows. um It was spectacular. I'm glad they taped it. I'm glad they put it out there. i'm glad it's... I think it really does capture a very special period. Like this is, I think the band has had a lot of peaks um over the years. And i I would say this is one of them in terms of like their top level stuff. I think this is a ah moment for them. So.
Speaker: I'm glad we have it. All right. And thank you all of us, or all of you, sorry, for joining us on the podcast. Thank you for listening. um Yeah. Town Hall and another somehow I'm sure we'll get another deep dive of August at some point just because it's so famous.
Speaker: But it was it was a pleasure going to this fantastic live recording. Thanks for joining us on Sullivan Street. We will see you next time. Goodbye.
