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Speaker: Hey, thanks for tuning in to the loser kid pinball podcast.
Speaker: You are on episode number 30 this week.
Speaker: As always, I got my co-captain with me, Scott Larson.
Speaker: And Scott, who do we have with us today?
Speaker: Well, we have one of the founders of the podcasting world in pinball.
Speaker: We have Mr. Jeff Rivera, who has, uh, got me farther in pinball than anybody else.
Speaker: And he has been able to break away from his busy schedule and to join us, which would have been our Texas Pinball Festival preview.
Speaker: But instead, we're going to take a left turn and talk about a lot of states of pinball.
Speaker: How are you doing, Jeff?
Speaker: I'm doing all right.
Speaker: I've also gone further with you than anyone else in pinball, Scott.
Speaker: Yeah, that's probably true.
Speaker: It's probably true.
Speaker: We've gone all the way.
Speaker: We have actually, I purchased two games from Jeff.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: I'm glad you're clarifying that because from my end, it does not sound right when you guys both say you've went all the way.
Speaker: We've consummated our pinball relationship.
Speaker: That's just because you have such a dirty mind there, Rube.
Speaker: It's not dirty.
Speaker: Hey, I'm just, the people are already sitting in the car going, what the heck is going on?
Speaker: Hey, we are still family friendly, okay?
Speaker: Nobody's in the car.
Speaker: There are no commutes right now.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: everybody everybody's at home sequestered with their kids and because they are so sick of listening to their kids right now they are desperate for any pinball podcast related material they have their headphones on and they're doing the dishes well i'm glad we can be like the the pinball podcasting world's ex-girlfriends now that you're desperate you're coming back to us we're the backup podcast that's what we are you you know it so desperate action is still action
Speaker: Hey, I'll take it all day, every day.
Speaker: Oh, where are we even going with this?
Speaker: Well, let me put it.
Speaker: Well, let's open up.
Speaker: Let's talk about Texas Pinball Festival and the Deep Root launch.
Speaker: All of us were planning on going to the Texas Pinball Festival.
Speaker: I was planning on going to the Deep Root launch.
Speaker: And essentially, the world is melting down with Contagion.
Speaker: So everything has been, I would argue, appropriately shut down while we're trying to prevent a worse pandemic than what we have.
Speaker: So it has really thrown a wrench into many things, including all the collateral damage with
Speaker: millions upon millions of dollars being lost daily because a lot of these events are a lot of the people who code to these events, they're making their money off it.
Speaker: And they're either selling their merchandise or they're the facilities people they're selling.
Speaker: They're, they're enabling these, these conventions.
Speaker: And right now it's, it's a major hit on the economy.
Speaker: I think,
Speaker: I was talking actually with Dr. Penn the other day and he said, I don't even, I don't even like where my 401k is going.
Speaker: So of course I had to log into mine and yeah, it's a good thing.
Speaker: I have about 20 years left in my career to recover everything that's going on.
Speaker: I didn't look at my 401k.
Speaker: Just don't, don't, don't, don't.
Speaker: I don't need more bad news.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, and you forgot to mention too, we all survived the earthquake here in Utah.
Speaker: So there's that.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But I had the best, I had the best story though.
Speaker: I was actually sitting on the porcelain throne and it started vibrating, not in a good way.
Speaker: And then I shout out to my wife.
Speaker: I think we're just having an earthquake right now.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: I just can't.
Speaker: Hey, but I do have one of those special things.
Speaker: Last year, Kara was in Europe, and so I got her one of those as a surprise because everything in Europe has special toilets and has one of those bidet toilet seat things.
Speaker: And so now when you sit down, it actually heats up to greet you, and it actually has like a humming sound as it sprays down water just so it creates a mist so you don't create too much noise.
Speaker: So it was almost like an amusement park ride.
Speaker: That's great.
Speaker: I've been on the bidet bandwagon for a few years now, never going back.
Speaker: So with the toilet paper shortage, I'm good.
Speaker: As long as you're on that toilet.
Speaker: Yeah, actually, all my kids come in.
Speaker: So there's five toilets in the house and even my kids, they all come in to use that one.
Speaker: So essentially we have one toilet in the house.
Speaker: That's great.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Welcome to Potty Training Talk with with Jeff, Josh and Scott.
Speaker: Oh, my goodness.
Speaker: OK, so you've hit a ton of topics all at once.
Speaker: And honestly, I'm going to stop you right there just for a second, because I want to catch up with Jeff before we start diving in, because I feel like the whole episode we're going to be talking about coronavirus and economy and all that jazz.
Speaker: But people haven't heard from Jeff for how long has it been, like a year or so?
Speaker: um the last episode we put out was it's not pinberg yet so that was probably uh june or so may or june of last year it's yeah getting close to a year and so what have you been doing in the last year you've been hiding in your bat cave because we we've called you batman here on the show before and you've been called that in the slap group before
Speaker: Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker: I actually have friends and other friend groups that also call me that for some reason.
Speaker: So I'll just own it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: The last year, huh?
Speaker: Well, it's not just me.
Speaker: Jessica moved from Oregon to Florida.
Speaker: So she's in Florida right now and is trying life out there for right now.
Speaker: So I'm going to ship her a microphone.
Speaker: We're going to pick the show back up and it'll be...
Speaker: We're still super far apart, but we'll be together online again.
Speaker: So that's why the show took some time off, but not the only reason.
Speaker: There are plenty of other reasons.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So I've always been open about stuff that's been going on on my show.
Speaker: And you're not used to bummers on your show, but it's going to be a little bit of a bummer.
Speaker: I'll try and be brief with it.
Speaker: So I have OCD and it's not like the wash my hands 500 times OCD.
Speaker: It's called intrusive thoughts.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And I have things that hop in my head and I have no control over them at all.
Speaker: They come in, they do their thing, they get me to try and compulse and do stuff.
Speaker: And for the most part, I was pretty good about handling it, but it got really, really bad and I had to go into treatment for it.
Speaker: I've graduated that program.
Speaker: It was amazing.
Speaker: every single day and it basically made it so I couldn't work during that time.
Speaker: Um, the type of treatment it was as a exposure based therapy.
Speaker: So it was exhausting.
Speaker: And for a few months there, I couldn't do anything, but basically just go to treatment, come home, sleep.
Speaker: And that was it.
Speaker: And it was also very, very expensive.
Speaker: So I sold almost my entire pinball collection to fund that.
Speaker: And then just, um,
Speaker: to take one more slap on the face and really not a lot of people know this yet, but, um, I'm going through a divorce on top of it all has not been an easy process divorce.
Speaker: And, um, I've been separated since fall, but, uh, it's been kind of crazy.
Speaker: I can't,
Speaker: get into a lot of the details because there's some legal stuff going on with it, but I have not seen my kids or my dog since December 7th.
Speaker: So I've been working to, um, fix that.
Speaker: And it's been a legal process, which has been going well for me.
Speaker: It's just been crazy expensive.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: So anyway, that's where I've been and that's what I've been doing.
Speaker: If I have any free time and I'm able to stay awake through that free time, I'm just scrambling to get my business making money again.
Speaker: It kind of put full stop on everything when I went into treatment.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Pinball podcasting really kind of fell low on the priority scale there for a little while.
Speaker: Yes, I want to bring the show back.
Speaker: I'm starting to get back to life again.
Speaker: Having gone through the LCD treatment and getting my mind back was really, really big.
Speaker: So for people who haven't seen me for a little while, they'll notice that I'm a lot more focused, more awake.
Speaker: But with everything else going on, I'm just really preoccupied.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Uh, any questions since I work in medicine?
Speaker: Um, a couple of things I want people to, to understand.
Speaker: Um, uh, you and I actually talked about this roughly a year ago and I was actually overwhelmed and gratified and humbled that you would actually share something so intimate and personal, uh, with me.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: It's always challenging when you are trying, you have a friend and you see them struggling because a lot of people don't understand how to deal with someone who is dealing with something that is on the mental side.
Speaker: And I want to clarify a few things that your brain is another organ in the body.
Speaker: And so if people had issues with their liver, if they had issues with their kidney or their heart, there's no sort of stigma with that.
Speaker: And we just accept them and we try to help them out as much as possible.
Speaker: With the brain, I think a lot of people really do have this stigma where they don't want to, they want to be sensitive to the needs of the individual, but they also, they feel that in this halfway of how do I help?
Speaker: I would argue that the best thing to do is to stay involved with the person.
Speaker: And yes, there's going to be limits on how much they will let you in or what they will accept.
Speaker: But the best thing to do is to reach out and to let them know that, hey, you're still thinking about them.
Speaker: You still care about them.
Speaker: And you are there if and when they need you.
Speaker: And I think that's the, from my standpoint, anybody who has friends who are going through, and regardless of what it is, if it's depression, if it's OCD, if it's anxiety, as long as they know they are not isolated and alone in the world, that seems to be at least one thing that you can do for someone you care about in your life.
Speaker: Totally agree with that.
Speaker: Support, validate, and be present, I guess.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And even if it's just sending messages, and guess what?
Speaker: In today's society, if they don't respond, that's fine.
Speaker: I guarantee they're getting your message and they're actually reading it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And if you have to, send memes because everyone looks at a meme.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, and that brings a question to my mind too, Jeff, is because I've known you for a couple of years now and you've always been the go-to guy.
Speaker: Like whether it be that, cause you were the head of kind of everything that goes on here, pinball wise with the IFPA.
Speaker: And like, even if we had a question about podcasting, like you always seem to be the one that's, that's helping all of us.
Speaker: And so how do I'm trying to think how to put this?
Speaker: How do we reach out to someone like you that is always giving, but sometimes needs people to take care of them as well?
Speaker: Well, that's actually one of my issues was is I have help compulsion.
Speaker: I haven't quite figured out what support looks like for me yet.
Speaker: I'm barely getting back into kind of normal everyday life.
Speaker: And with me having been in treatment, they focus on like what your, you know, what your family members can do or your friends can do, but very much just in regards to helping you manage your OCD.
Speaker: Now I've kind of been equipped with what I need to do to handle that.
Speaker: Um, I have no idea what is going to come my way over the next few months, but just knowing that people are willing or even like, um, wanting to help or support, it means a lot.
Speaker: And I think emotional support is probably the biggest thing for me right now.
Speaker: Cause, um,
Speaker: I'm all alone in a six bedroom house trying to make ends meet.
Speaker: Like it's really weird.
Speaker: It's been a, you know, for the past 10 years, it's been a pretty noisy house and lively.
Speaker: And, um, you know, I've had to strip away a lot of the things that I like, um, like my pinball collection or, um, a lot of free time that I would dedicate to go fly fishing or, or other things like that.
Speaker: I mean, for those that are local, they noticed, I, I think I only made it to, um,
Speaker: like six IFPA events last year in the state.
Speaker: That's very low for me.
Speaker: Um, and you know, I was the last person qualified for the, the SCS.
Speaker: So, um, I'm hoping that's not going to be the case this year, but for all the people that did reach out and have been, it's, that's kind of all that I've really been needing.
Speaker: Um, so yeah, it's, it's nice to see people stepping up and doing that.
Speaker: Yeah, and I would argue that this is not a downer to talk about things.
Speaker: This is actually life.
Speaker: And this is important because I guarantee that we have degrees of separation of one.
Speaker: We know someone personally, whether or not you know that they are struggling with these things or not.
Speaker: This is something that will affect every single person.
Speaker: And at least being aware that being
Speaker: you know, being there, being involved in their life is important because it would be so easy to say, that's, I don't know what to do.
Speaker: I'm going to isolate myself from that situation, but open yourself up, try to reach out, try to try to help all those people who are struggling because you can make a difference in someone's life and whether or not it's just being there, that it, you
Speaker: we've always talked about pinball having some of the best people and being there in someone's life.
Speaker: I can't imagine anything more important than just knowing that someone actually gives a damn about them.
Speaker: Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker: Well, I appreciate you coming on and even, I wasn't expecting you to share that.
Speaker: I just, I figured, you know, I don't know.
Speaker: It's awesome that you're willing to be open about what's going on.
Speaker: I appreciate that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just, I feel like mental health is one of the things that,
Speaker: it would help a lot of people, whether you suffer from it or not, if it was normalized a bit.
Speaker: So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm there for it.
Speaker: So no, no.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Well, I, one, I want to make sure that we get, we give enough time due for what is really important because really, uh, you know, we've been talking for 16 minutes and I would say that of the 30 podcasts we've done so far, if this has been the most important 16 minutes that someone could possibly hear out there.
Speaker: Because in this world, we become so socially isolated that it is so easy for us just to feel in a world of six billion people that we are completely alone.
Speaker: Now that we're in forced isolation, at least physically.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it's good.
Speaker: I've had a lot of time to process what's been going on and having gone through the intensive outpatient treatment, learned how to process it in a lot more healthy manner.
Speaker: So I'm probably doing a lot better than I should be.
Speaker: So if you really want to help Jeff out, you're still trying to sell some of your pinball collection, right?
Speaker: I know you don't want to get rid of it, but you've been trying to sell it.
Speaker: Yeah, so I've got interest in my dialed in.
Speaker: I'm going to have to sell that.
Speaker: And I'm hoping not to have to sell my Wonka, but that would be next in line.
Speaker: So everything else is gone, man.
Speaker: I went from 17 machines to two real fast.
Speaker: That is, that's crazy.
Speaker: That's it's, I know when this all started, you, you messaged us like mental health issues suck.
Speaker: Like don't let it get this, this far.
Speaker: And like, it's been hard for like a lot of us to watch.
Speaker: Cause like I said, you're our Batman.
Speaker: I don't know how else to put it.
Speaker: So it's, it's hard to see like you have to get rid of your collection, but it's awesome to see that you're willing to take that step to, to, to better yourself.
Speaker: Yeah, long term, long term, it'll be cheaper and easier to face it all now.
Speaker: So I'll I'll rebound with the collection and everything.
Speaker: Once I get back to kind of full working capacity, it'll be fine.
Speaker: It's just going to be like some of those machines that I let go.
Speaker: I've had for like 12 years, 13 years.
Speaker: So it's kind of crazy.
Speaker: So you don't go.
Speaker: But yeah, it's all right.
Speaker: Even even games.
Speaker: We know that you love like Twilight Zone.
Speaker: Like that's.
Speaker: Since I've known you, that's like your baby.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Yeah, that's always been my all-time favorite.
Speaker: And I've had longer than any of my kids.
Speaker: Well, I still have my Twilight Zone in my garage.
Speaker: So you're welcome to borrow that and use it as much as you want if you need mental health with a pinball machine.
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: I'm willing to babysit and fix pins, people.
Speaker: There you go.
Speaker: Okay, so transitioning, we are all in this weird zone where we were ramping up for this big Deep Root launch and Texas Pinball Festival, but it's all gone.
Speaker: So every last bit of it.
Speaker: Well, and everything else is up in the air too.
Speaker: Like, yeah, we saw Hot Wheels, which yay.
Speaker: I don't know what else to say about Hot Wheels.
Speaker: That you're getting that.
Speaker: That's what you're getting from me on that.
Speaker: But seriously, like we still have possible Stern.
Speaker: We've got Deep Root, which I can't remember what they have or haven't confirmed.
Speaker: So I'm not going to confirm myself what's going on.
Speaker: That's smart.
Speaker: And so we know that I think,
Speaker: pinball show talked about they're still attempting to push through to do something with it.
Speaker: But I mean, you look at those guys and they miss last year's date and then it's like they're all ready to go for this date and then this happens.
Speaker: Poor Damien over at with Celts over at Haggis Pinball.
Speaker: He's no longer coming to America because they've shut down virtually the airports for him, it sounds like.
Speaker: Well, and the earthquake shut down our airport so I don't know...
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, it's just crazy.
Speaker: We had so many reveals that were happening in the next two weeks.
Speaker: Are we still on those timelines?
Speaker: Is it still going to happen?
Speaker: No, no chance.
Speaker: I mean, this is, this is a global economy pause.
Speaker: And so I don't see any of them being able to ramp things up.
Speaker: I, you and I mentioned, messaged JJ and he said, or I think he posted on Facebook and we were asking about how the business was.
Speaker: And even actually, I'm sorry, it wasn't JJ.
Speaker: It was a Zach mini.
Speaker: And he said, so far that hasn't been such a slowdown, but
Speaker: But I don't see how – pinball is a complete luxury item.
Speaker: I don't see how people, when they're having their decrease and the government's talking about giving everybody $1,000 to help them make ends meet.
Speaker: I don't see how that's going to change with people just buying the same amount of pinball machines that they have in the past.
Speaker: It's got to affect us in the next two to three months.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of...
Speaker: Domino's yet to fall economically is still so I don't know.
Speaker: Like it's pretty early to project what's going to happen to pinball.
Speaker: Um, who knows a vaccine could come out for this thing and like really squelch it or it could become a yearly issue, which would be awful.
Speaker: Um, we don't need a flu on top of the flu during flu season, but, um, as far as what's happening now, like I've, I've lost a lot of work personally that, um,
Speaker: Definitely impacted what I'm going to be doing in pinball this year.
Speaker: Everything from certain shows I was going to attend that I've had to budget out to, you know, possibly budgeting for a pinball machine later in the year once I kind of got work going again.
Speaker: But the longer it takes to get back my feet, the less I'm going to be able to buy.
Speaker: And I know I'm not alone in that.
Speaker: So with the uncertainty, I can't take that thousand dollars and put it towards like an EM and, you know, an order of parts from Pinball Life or something.
Speaker: Honestly, too, it's like, I don't know, like JJ over at Game Exchange, we were talking about him.
Speaker: And he right now, because he knows everyone's cooped up, he's doing an offer on a used game.
Speaker: It's like 500 bucks for the first game.
Speaker: You have to agree to have it for two months, but then it's like 250 every game after that.
Speaker: And so, I mean, if you're cooped up, that's an all right deal.
Speaker: But then again, we don't know where we're going to be sitting in a month.
Speaker: So it's like, do I dare take that risk?
Speaker: And then in a month, I need that thousand dollars?
Speaker: I just, I don't know.
Speaker: It's so goofy right now.
Speaker: Well, I, I guess what I would say is that there are ways that we can help out people with the pinball community and, and, and,
Speaker: even like friends who have businesses.
Speaker: So sometimes in the service business, if you can't get their service right now, then you can buy, like it's essentially a gift card.
Speaker: Like you can actually say, hey, I know you can't do this service right now, but I'm going to prepay you for this and then anticipate that when things get less crazy, you can do that.
Speaker: And so whether or not that's with restaurants, whether or not that's with
Speaker: you know, a contracted person who does something for you.
Speaker: You can do that and still try to keep things lubricated until they actually get back on their feet.
Speaker: Because if you have a restaurant and you just don't get anything, you will shut down.
Speaker: If you have, if you have an
Speaker: I don't know, some sort of contracting, whether or not you're a photographer, whether or not you're a caterer, whether or not you're any of these things.
Speaker: If you want to help out your favorite people, contact them and say, Hey, I know you can't do it right now, but can I prepay?
Speaker: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker: I totally agree.
Speaker: I think, I think there's other ways that you can help.
Speaker: I know that the government stepping up, which is awesome, but where do you guys think?
Speaker: So,
Speaker: Do we even throw out any scenarios?
Speaker: Where do we think the pinball economy is going to end up at this point?
Speaker: I mean, you have Deep Root.
Speaker: We can only guess how many machines they were going to debut.
Speaker: It depends.
Speaker: It depends on what their fallback is.
Speaker: Deep Root's fallback is Robert.
Speaker: He has the funds to actually weather the storm.
Speaker: Stern is the biggest company out there and they are dominating the market.
Speaker: So I think they will have to scale down a little bit.
Speaker: But the bottom line is they're the ones who are still manufacturing.
Speaker: I think the part that you're going to start seeing is you're going to start seeing some of the smaller ones.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: even JJP to an extent, you're going to see spooky hit to an extent because they, they just don't have the same volume that Stern does to, uh, to float, uh, haggis that who knows if haggis will be able to weather the storm because this is a global, this will be a global economic depression that will take years to get out of, um, any of these small other things.
Speaker: Um, um,
Speaker: You know, we haven't we haven't talked about the is the gangster one.
Speaker: Oh, Kingpin.
Speaker: Yes, Kingpin.
Speaker: So we're going to see if they're going to be able to weather the storm.
Speaker: Also, people, you know, also small people in the service industry.
Speaker: You have Chris over at high end pens.
Speaker: Are people going to be willing to spend, you know, five thousand dollars in restoring their dream pen if their 401k took a 20 percent dive?
Speaker: It's a good point.
Speaker: I hope it's only 20%.
Speaker: I have a, I guess I have an optimism for all of it.
Speaker: Um, I really, I really hope that here in a month we'll have a better clarity of what's going on.
Speaker: My biggest, my biggest thing.
Speaker: And I, I know Jeff is maybe on the same ship with me, but what happens to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles now?
Speaker: I mean, usually the schedule is as TPF happens, then Stern reveals not even like two days later.
Speaker: Do you think that pushes back Ninja Turtles?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It allows them to add Venus in there.
Speaker: Venus the mellow.
Speaker: Ah, no, no.
Speaker: The best turtle.
Speaker: I hope you know this awkward silence is because of you, Scott.
Speaker: It's not awkward.
Speaker: It's just an angry silence is what it is.
Speaker: No, I don't know what it's going to do to marketing timelines because we, like they said, it's still so early to know what it's going to do to people's buying habits.
Speaker: If people aren't willing to buy, you can't really invest in, in like promotion.
Speaker: So you would want to sit and hold it, but yeah.
Speaker: how are you going to like convince people to buy the next thing without showing it?
Speaker: It depends.
Speaker: It's a weird thing.
Speaker: Like people expect a certain cadence of releases and announcements.
Speaker: And I mean, yeah, time's coming to show the next game, but I don't know.
Speaker: Like I guess they look at sales of things that are on the line and see how that that's going to be impacted.
Speaker: I mean, this three weeks ago, wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker: It's, it's so short.
Speaker: Um, the timescale of all this happening still.
Speaker: So who knows what's going to happen?
Speaker: Yeah, because even like last week, we were, you know, it started hitting, but we were, I was still debating whether I go to Texas Pinball Festival or not.
Speaker: It didn't seem like it was that big of an issue until.
Speaker: you know, it started becoming a state of emergency.
Speaker: So, right.
Speaker: Well, it, it literally went in, uh, in 48 hours.
Speaker: Um, cause I was actually mentioning, uh, uh, Christian line, Dr. Penn, uh, because we're both anesthesiologists.
Speaker: So I, I was just messaging back and forth and finding out how his hospital was doing and what they were doing to limit services.
Speaker: And I'm not kidding within 48 hours, it was a
Speaker: Yeah, I think we'll still be able to go forward.
Speaker: It's not it's not global to.
Speaker: Yeah, it's off.
Speaker: We're done.
Speaker: And that's 48 hours.
Speaker: And the first time it felt real to me was when the NBA canceled games.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: That seemed that seemed to be, oh, this is this is a big deal and I'm going to see everything cancel.
Speaker: Thanks to Utah, by the way, too.
Speaker: I hear something kind of funny about that.
Speaker: So the first two players that were positive were obviously Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker: Um, the day before Donovan Mitchell got his positive test, I was talking with him in person and I ended up developing a cough like right after.
Speaker: So I had to go get tested.
Speaker: Um, and my results came back yesterday.
Speaker: I'm clear.
Speaker: I'm clean of virus.
Speaker: I have something else, but, uh, it was just like,
Speaker: Did he give it to me?
Speaker: Did I give it to him?
Speaker: If I give it to him, was I the one that shut down the entire NBA and basically the sports world?
Speaker: Because I had just come back from California from a court date.
Speaker: And so I'm like thinking, did I pick it up in California?
Speaker: Did I give it to Donald Mitchell?
Speaker: Did he actually give it to Rudy Gobert?
Speaker: What happened here?
Speaker: I'm so glad that I'm not the one that shut down the NBA though.
Speaker: It wasn't me guys.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay, but did you see that meme that went around that it was cold but it was hilarious?
Speaker: It had Rudy Gobert and he said defensive player third time in a row.
Speaker: He literally shut down the NBA.
Speaker: I didn't, but I mean, it was almost my fault.
Speaker: Almost, yeah.
Speaker: I was going to say what's even worse about the situation too is just –
Speaker: I don't know if any of you follow the NBA closely, but Ruduk O'Bear was kind of like, I don't want to say making fun of it, but he was very nonchalant about it.
Speaker: Oh, he was making fun of it.
Speaker: He was totally making fun.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Three weeks ago, it was kind of a joke.
Speaker: And today it's not like today.
Speaker: People are really afraid and people are worried.
Speaker: And three weeks ago, it was kind of like, I don't know.
Speaker: We had the same thing with swine flu.
Speaker: It was funny for a couple of weeks and then it was everywhere.
Speaker: And I actually got it.
Speaker: I had my aunt died from it.
Speaker: So it stopped being funny at one point.
Speaker: And I think we're at the, it's not that funny anymore.
Speaker: The memes are still great, but.
Speaker: Yes, they are.
Speaker: Like the actuality of it is it just kind of sucks being stuck in your house and being limited to one loaf of bread per trip to the store.
Speaker: Well, you have to find humor in crises and, and people can look at it as cold blooded, but really if you, if you lose your humor, then it really puts you in a really dark state.
Speaker: And you have to just accept that life follows some ironic paths.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Life finds a way.
Speaker: I just watched that the other night.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: You know what?
Speaker: That's one of those things where the book and the movie, they are different, but they're both equally awesome.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I'm not saying that the movie doesn't have flaws or it's cheesy moments or what's going on there moments, but I put that in my list of perfect movies.
Speaker: So if you have time, I mean, it seems like a lot of us have time.
Speaker: You really should go through the Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker: What's the perfect movie and what isn't?
Speaker: I just, my son and I sat down and watched Jaws.
Speaker: It's his first time.
Speaker: You know, for a 1975 movie, it really does hold up.
Speaker: I totally forgot there was nudity at the very beginning.
Speaker: Are you serious?
Speaker: The Swimmer.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well...
Speaker: It had been a little bit since I'd seen it.
Speaker: So, uh, but you do know that Amity means friendship, right?
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: But long story short on Rotten Tomatoes, it's like 98%.
Speaker: Would you agree that that is that good of a movie?
Speaker: I do.
Speaker: Um, I think so.
Speaker: I, I'm not going to get into my full list of what are perfect movies, but just to throw out a few of them.
Speaker: So you kind of know what I consider perfect, um, Jurassic Park, Jaws, Back to the Future, Ghostbusters.
Speaker: Um, there's a zone and you kind of look at the time period.
Speaker: Those are all like late seventies to early nineties.
Speaker: Um, and,
Speaker: But all of them still hold up extremely well.
Speaker: So they've already stood the test of time.
Speaker: How do you feel about Last Jedi?
Speaker: It's not a perfect movie.
Speaker: The only perfect Star Wars is Empire Strikes Back, and it is perfect.
Speaker: Okay, you know what?
Speaker: Rogue One is a perfect movie.
Speaker: I watched it the other day, and I cried a little bit.
Speaker: Well, maybe when they need to sell the remaining Star Wars pins, they'll re-theme it to Rogue One.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker: That hurts.
Speaker: It hurts.
Speaker: It would work.
Speaker: Probably would.
Speaker: Because you die on the plunge.
Speaker: Oh, my goodness.
Speaker: That's terrible.
Speaker: Nobody survives.
Speaker: You know, my list of movies, my all-time favorite is The Dark Knight.
Speaker: I mean, and it holds a very respectable score.
Speaker: That's a perfect movie.
Speaker: Yeah, it really is.
Speaker: It just, every time I watch it, it's just amazing.
Speaker: The movie, the other movie my son and I started watching was Gremlins.
Speaker: That is cheesy 80 goodness.
Speaker: Oh, it's crazy.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Why is that no one's favorite Christmas movie?
Speaker: It takes place during Christmas.
Speaker: It is a Christmas movie.
Speaker: And it is self-aware.
Speaker: Like, they know they're being cheesy, which helps.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: That whole bar scene.
Speaker: And, you know, the flashing, everything.
Speaker: Just fantastic.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So, my favorite movie is really old school.
Speaker: It has to go back to, like, 1950-something.
Speaker: It's Ben-Hur.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And it's probably because I'm a 90-year-old trapped in a 45-year-old man's body.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: No, your body's about 92.
Speaker: You're breaking down.
Speaker: Ouch.
Speaker: That hurts.
Speaker: Actually, it's probably true.
Speaker: My, I've been working on a plantar wart on my foot.
Speaker: Seriously.
Speaker: Like who has to deal with a plantar wart?
Speaker: And I've been dealing with it for four months.
Speaker: Uh, so Josh, when he dies, um, I'll happily fill in on a weekly basis because his body's crumbling.
Speaker: Wait, wait, am I turning into the Jeff?
Speaker: Is it, is this just going to be, is this just going to be my health updates?
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I haven't been able to breathe deeply for a year either.
Speaker: Should we talk about that?
Speaker: Varicose veins, diminished lung capacity.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: We've got to share this for a second.
Speaker: Now that you've brought it up, we've got to share this.
Speaker: So the last tournament we did at Scott's house, he didn't play with us because he just had surgery for his varicose veins.
Speaker: And so like...
Speaker: So we're playing pinball and there's Scott laying in the middle of floor with like his legs in the air because that's part of, yeah, wrapped.
Speaker: And we're just like, you all right?
Speaker: Yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker: No, I'm fine.
Speaker: I'm fine.
Speaker: Just keep playing.
Speaker: Hey, that's commitment.
Speaker: That's commitment to pinball.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yes, it is.
Speaker: I share, I share my health, my health issues too.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm still trying to find the best rated movies on Rotten Tomatoes, and I'm completely lost on the site.
Speaker: Just watch Sing Street.
Speaker: That's my always recommendation for people.
Speaker: Everyone likes it.
Speaker: Sing Street.
Speaker: You want my always recommendation?
Speaker: Me and my wife's always recommendation is the rundown with The Rock and Sean William Scott.
Speaker: Uh-huh.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: Now that is cheesy 2000s fun.
Speaker: You've never seen the rundown?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Is this like Aquabats 2.0?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: It's got Christopher Walken in it.
Speaker: where you bring up some esoteric thing that nobody knows except you i know what the rundown is yeah see never saw it but i know what it is sing street is that uh is the band in uh ireland right yes in the 80s yeah no that that's a great one yeah that's a great one it's fantastic
Speaker: Yeah, it's time for you to watch the rundown.
Speaker: It's very cheesy.
Speaker: It's kind of got some wrestler-esque moves to it because, you know, it's got the rock in it.
Speaker: But it's hilarious because the bad guy is Christopher Walken.
Speaker: You can't say no to Christopher Walken.
Speaker: Does he ask for more cowbell?
Speaker: He does not in this one, but he does talk about the tooth fairy and it's hilarious because he's trying to explain the tooth fairy to these guys that only speak Portuguese.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Any, just do it.
Speaker: It's like three bucks to rent.
Speaker: You've got time.
Speaker: I know you do.
Speaker: It's probably true.
Speaker: I want to move on.
Speaker: I want, I want to, let's talk to whippies really quick.
Speaker: So, okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Well, one thing I also don't want to talk about.
Speaker: So Texas pinball festival, they had all the merchandise.
Speaker: And so they, uh, in order, I, Ed took a bath on this.
Speaker: So please go out, buy a t-shirt, buy a banner, buy a key chain.
Speaker: I don't care what you do.
Speaker: Just go ahead and buy something.
Speaker: And so try to help them out too.
Speaker: Again, seriously, look for any of your favorite places you frequent and call Tilt Cycle.
Speaker: See if he has anything for you.
Speaker: Just figure out some way of buying one of these small things from them.
Speaker: But again, Texas Pinball Festival, go buy the merchandise.
Speaker: Same with, sorry, the two people we were supposed to give a shout out, we were going to be supporting while we were at Texas Pinball Festival, was Brad Hunter of Lit Frames.
Speaker: He's got some wonderful product.
Speaker: And also the other gentleman I was going to start talking about too is Jockton, because he was going to be at TPF as well with his pin shades.
Speaker: And so I feel bad because like pin shades is something you got to like experience yourself to like understand how awesome it is.
Speaker: And so I was like, dude, like rock on.
Speaker: I'm excited for people to get this in their hands.
Speaker: And then, well, we all know how it ended.
Speaker: Hey, when I had retinal tearing, those light sensitivity glasses absolutely saved my pinball life.
Speaker: So I kind of want to see them.
Speaker: We'll have to bring them up.
Speaker: Okay, come on down.
Speaker: We are going to do something this week or next week, and I will bring them up.
Speaker: Because you don't have AR glass on your pinball machines, do you?
Speaker: No, I don't.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So that'll be great because we'll be able to try that out.
Speaker: Yes, I do.
Speaker: Because they're just JJPs now.
Speaker: Oh, you're right.
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We can go to Keto's and try them out.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So let's talk some Twippies if you don't mind.
Speaker: I don't mind.
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: So for those who don't know, Jeff...
Speaker: Patterson, not Jeff Rivera.
Speaker: Jeff Patterson has decided to keep going on with the Twippies.
Speaker: The show must go on, right?
Speaker: I'm pretty for sure, Moto, and Carrie's still the host.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But we're going to be doing... We're still going to be presenting that... I don't know if we talked about this last show, but we're going to present one of the... Was it topics?
Speaker: No, not topics.
Speaker: Awards?
Speaker: Awards?
Speaker: Well... Yeah, sure.
Speaker: Awards.
Speaker: We're going to go with that.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: I want everyone to tune in and support this.
Speaker: Cause like Jeff is still getting, the thing is, is like a lot of us don't have much to do between if, if your job has shut down at this point or it's been tore down by an earthquake or whatever it may be, you know, you're gonna be sitting at home with a lot of time.
Speaker: And so Jeff is putting like an amazing amount of effort into making this still go on.
Speaker: So what do you guys hope to see in the Twippies?
Speaker: Well,
Speaker: I was supposed to be the photographer at the show for the Twippies.
Speaker: So am I going to take pictures of a computer screen maybe?
Speaker: Yeah, you can do that.
Speaker: I still should.
Speaker: I should act like I'm taking pictures of that.
Speaker: Just screenshot them all.
Speaker: You know, I still have the outfits, the two suits that I ordered.
Speaker: They're still upstairs.
Speaker: And my wife came home because she was in Europe.
Speaker: Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker: She just got home on Sunday.
Speaker: And so she's been sequestered.
Speaker: And she looked at it as like, why do you have these dumb and dumber suits?
Speaker: And I'm like, well, it's a funny story.
Speaker: She didn't know?
Speaker: Well, okay, so I didn't tell her.
Speaker: No, you can't release all your pinball crazy on your family at once.
Speaker: You have to dole it out slowly.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker: So what did your wife say?
Speaker: She's just like, oh, yeah, par for the course kind of thing.
Speaker: She just rolled her eyes.
Speaker: One thing I'd actually would like to see with the Twippies is I'd like to see some of the announcements of games integrated into them.
Speaker: Because we have the awards and we have things like that.
Speaker: But a lot of the times that like E3 and stuff for the video game industry, they do all their announcements at their big shows.
Speaker: And I know it's not an award show, but when Spike does the video game awards, they announce new stuff there.
Speaker: So I think it'd be kind of cool because if they were announcing...
Speaker: product or games in the Twippies.
Speaker: It's probably not possible this year.
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: But it would bring a lot of viewers to it and it would help to really drive the show for future years.
Speaker: The more people will watch, they're going to be involved in the voting next year.
Speaker: And I think it'd be a really cool nod by the manufacturers of whether they're mods or full games to support the show in that way, saying, hey, we've got something coming out.
Speaker: We'd love to debut it on your show.
Speaker: So again, probably too late to do that kind of stuff this year.
Speaker: But I think it'd be something that'd be neat if companies started thinking that direction.
Speaker: And I think it would cement its legitimacy as well.
Speaker: I think there's the problem is, is that people always kind of question its legitimacy, whether that's
Speaker: Warranted or not, but, um, I, that would be really cool.
Speaker: If you guys win, it's totally not legit.
Speaker: I'll just say that.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: Well, I, I voted like a thousand times.
Speaker: Is that bad?
Speaker: I voted.
Speaker: With the old, uh, Chicago vote, early vote often.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: You know what?
Speaker: Heck yes.
Speaker: That's true.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Let's, let's, let's beeline it out of that topic really quick.
Speaker: So Jeff, you own a Wonka.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Do you think that Jurassic Park has it locked down for Game of the Year?
Speaker: Do you think Wonka has a chance?
Speaker: I mean, Wonka has a chance, but it's a small chance.
Speaker: I think Jurassic Park pretty much has it.
Speaker: The only thing is, is like a lot of people...
Speaker: And I wish we could kind of get away from this.
Speaker: They are kind of like advocate voting.
Speaker: So like they might be mad at Stern because of the UV kit for Stranger Things.
Speaker: So now they're not going to vote for Jurassic Park and they're going to vote for anything else just to stick it to them.
Speaker: And I hope people aren't really doing that, but that's always a factor in these sorts of things.
Speaker: But no, I think Jurassic Park's pretty much got that.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: It's just way more widely played as well.
Speaker: I mean, most shows you go to have like four or five Jurassic parks and one Wonka.
Speaker: Well, and I think that's really what hurt Pirates of the Caribbean last year.
Speaker: Legitimately, I think Pirates of the Caribbean is a more ambitious game.
Speaker: And with what Eric did, it was unbelievable.
Speaker: But I think it was hamstrung just because there weren't as many of them out there.
Speaker: And so people didn't get exposed to them, whereas Iron Maiden was flooding the market.
Speaker: Yeah, it matters for sure.
Speaker: What about the rookie of the year?
Speaker: Like, what do you feel about that?
Speaker: Because it ended up being basically a dragnet category of, hey, you're kind of new to pinball doing something different.
Speaker: Well, the problem is it's not even like you're new to pinball.
Speaker: Like, Deadflip's been in the hobby for five years now.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: Like, actively.
Speaker: But you're making a game for the first time.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: True.
Speaker: So I guess that's, he's been in pinball, but maybe not the industry.
Speaker: I don't know how they want to like split those hairs, but, um, I will say the layout he's making looks pretty awesome.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I just, I think rookie of the year is, um,
Speaker: It's one of those things that they need to better define it or they need to get rid of it.
Speaker: That's just my opinion.
Speaker: I think last year was justified.
Speaker: You had Scott Denise, you had Keith Owen, and you had Eric Meniere.
Speaker: It was very defined.
Speaker: No one gave a crap about it because those were three people that were obviously rookies in the category that they were going for.
Speaker: I think the way I would refine that sort of category, because some years you're just not going to have anybody that's, you know, new on the scene or you only have one or two.
Speaker: I think what you should probably do is change it to like a breakout award where, you know, a designer that's been around could win it, but maybe they've done something different or unexpected.
Speaker: And it's not like a comeback award, but it's just like this year you kind of set yourself apart.
Speaker: And then the newcomers would naturally fall in there as well.
Speaker: Because if somebody's first time,
Speaker: designing a pinball machine, then obviously there'd be considered for like a breakout award.
Speaker: So, but we'll see.
Speaker: I mean, like it would be cool if they kept getting enough newcomers to the industry to support that award.
Speaker: I mean, that'd be great.
Speaker: Well, and I think the other thing that was brought up with it too is do you define it solely as someone that has done something to further the pinball industry or do you let it be a dragnet for the whole hobby in general?
Speaker: Because that was kind of the problem with this go around.
Speaker: I mean, you got Tim Sexton, obviously a man that deserves it with his work on Black Knight.
Speaker: But, you know, okay, I'll use us as an example because I feel like I can take a swat at us without anyone –
Speaker: being mad.
Speaker: Your mom will be upset.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Does our contribution to the hobby even come close to compare to Tim Sexton's contribution in the hobby?
Speaker: It depends.
Speaker: Like what if people don't like modern pinball, but they do like podcasts and there's a lot of players that don't really like
Speaker: Pinball is getting enough variation into it that the things that people value, some people don't even really like playing that much.
Speaker: They just like the hobby.
Speaker: They like to have a few machines that they can tinker around with.
Speaker: They like discussion, but they're not big time players.
Speaker: And that sounds weird to say, but...
Speaker: Pinball offers enough content aside from actual playing of pinball that you can be involved that way.
Speaker: Maybe you really just enjoy the art or you enjoy, I don't know, the general excitement of it.
Speaker: But for a person like that, they probably don't care about the intricacies of code and updates and such.
Speaker: But for like the tournament player, they're going to say, yeah, fresh ideas and code is extremely valuable.
Speaker: The most important thing going on right now.
Speaker: it's going to be perspective based.
Speaker: What would you think about instead of having a rookie of the year, having, you know, like in the Oscars, how they have like,
Speaker: you know, the in memoriam where they have the famous people who have died.
Speaker: And so it's all the people, you know, you can't just have best person who died this year, which would be kind of interesting.
Speaker: But what they could do is just say, hey, these are the, you know, for an Instagram term, these are the influencers who made a splash this year.
Speaker: And you can just have like 10 people and just talk about them.
Speaker: Or do you think that's it's unnecessary?
Speaker: I mean, I'd get tired of being put on the list, but I'm down for it.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: You're so hipster using that word influencer.
Speaker: Guys, I used to work for an influencer marketing firm.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Sorry, guys.
Speaker: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker: I've been doing a project while I've been talking to you guys.
Speaker: I know it's terrible of me, but I got my new...
Speaker: Arcade 1-Up Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Bar Stool.
Speaker: And I've been putting it together because I want to test ride this baby while I'm on air with you guys.
Speaker: Because if you don't know this, my recording studio is a cold cellar in the bottom of the farmhouse.
Speaker: And it's not very comfortable down here.
Speaker: So I got something nice for my tushy.
Speaker: It would be hilarious if there was just a loud crack and a, I'm all right, I'm all right.
Speaker: That would be awesome.
Speaker: Are you trying it right now?
Speaker: Yes, I'm setting it down next to the microphone.
Speaker: This is going down.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So how did you get this?
Speaker: Because I bought the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle game and I didn't get a bar stool.
Speaker: It came out last week.
Speaker: You can get it via Walmart.
Speaker: Oh, like with the game or without it?
Speaker: Without the game.
Speaker: How much was it?
Speaker: It sold 80 bucks, if I remember correctly.
Speaker: I don't think it's worth it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Ninja Turtles.
Speaker: It's worth it.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: It's just not.
Speaker: I'm not a Ninja Turtle fanboy.
Speaker: I actually already have a Ninja Turtle game.
Speaker: Didn't I tell it?
Speaker: Didn't I show it to you?
Speaker: I got it for five bucks.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, my goodness.
Speaker: the pinball machine for Ninja Turtles has been inevitable because they've had so many toy pinball machines made like different iterations and stuff.
Speaker: It was just a matter of time.
Speaker: So yeah, better not to rise of rise of the tip.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I just hope they have like, when you sit on it, it has a vanilla ice go Ninja, go Ninja, go.
Speaker: It does not.
Speaker: But it's got a nice cushion to it.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: It's a nice barstool.
Speaker: It doesn't rotate like most barstools.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: It's officially licensed.
Speaker: That's all you need, right?
Speaker: You know, the only time that I actually got near the end of Turtles in Time was when the game crashed on me.
Speaker: So I still haven't done it.
Speaker: Okay, the arcade one up, like, don't get me wrong.
Speaker: I love the little guy, but it kind of takes the fun out of it when you can dump 999 lives into the thing and just go to town.
Speaker: Okay, that's all my kids do.
Speaker: My kids, I'm sitting there trying to hit and fight the characters, and they're just hitting the add character button.
Speaker: So I'm just hearing cowabunga, cowabunga, cowabunga.
Speaker: Well, I'm trying to fight, and they're just standing around.
Speaker: We put limits on the number of credits.
Speaker: So when I'm playing those games, my kids are like, all right, guys, we're each going to get five credits.
Speaker: We're going to see how deep into this game we can go.
Speaker: And sometimes they want to continue beyond that.
Speaker: And I was like, all right.
Speaker: I'll give you one more.
Speaker: And you reach up and turn it off, right?
Speaker: You're like, no!
Speaker: Click.
Speaker: I don't actually backhand, but I show them my backhand.
Speaker: And they understand.
Speaker: Don't you dare touch that credit.
Speaker: Yeah, because you will smack the machine, right?
Speaker: Because that's what the backhand means.
Speaker: smack the machine.
Speaker: Well, we've had a couple parties and it's just the kids come down and that's seriously what they gravitate towards.
Speaker: They hear the sounds and then as soon as they push the add the player and it's cowabunga or is it let's kick shell is the other one depending on which game you're on.
Speaker: And my wife's like, I'm going to kill me some kids because seriously, like
Speaker: That's all they do.
Speaker: And they can't just leave the sound turned down.
Speaker: No, no, no.
Speaker: They got to turn all the way to 15.
Speaker: And so you can hear it through the whole house just yelling, let's kick shell.
Speaker: Let's kick shell.
Speaker: And they can never let it go all the way out either.
Speaker: So it's like, let's get let, let, let, let.
Speaker: You're like, okay, we get it.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker: That's your Ninja Turtle talk for this episode.
Speaker: I wonder if people are sick of the Ninja Turtle talk.
Speaker: They're like, can we please just release this thing so Josh has nothing else to talk about?
Speaker: I feel like it's become our Maverick.
Speaker: Oh, that's good.
Speaker: That's a good one.
Speaker: A non-existent one is your Maverick.
Speaker: That's great.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I did buy it on VHS the other day.
Speaker: I saw it at a thrift store, TMNT, the 1990 movie.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Ooh, very nice.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it was from a rental place.
Speaker: So it's got that hard plastic shell that you squeeze.
Speaker: You squeeze it and then the VHS slides out.
Speaker: Oh, oh yeah.
Speaker: It's like that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's like that hard shell condom thing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And what it does is it makes sure that the box stays in like perfect condition though.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Does it have a sticker that says be kind, please rewind.
Speaker: It has something about rental on it.
Speaker: But I haven't like, I don't have a VHS player anymore, I don't think.
Speaker: But I bet you it still has that awesome Pizza Hut ad in front with the kid playing baseball.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Just so you know, I do have a VHS machine, so you can come down and try it out.
Speaker: I have one as well.
Speaker: That's great.
Speaker: It's great.
Speaker: Did you know that Ninja Turtles actually held the highest grossing independent film made up till like Napoleon Dynamite came out in like 05?
Speaker: That makes sense.
Speaker: It was hot stuff.
Speaker: At least they got taken down by someone with like nunchuck skills.
Speaker: Boastaf skills.
Speaker: Boastaf skills.
Speaker: Nunchucks.
Speaker: Who wants to take a roundhouse kick to the face with these sweet babies on.
Speaker: So these bad boys.
Speaker: Yeah, these bad boys.
Speaker: So that's the next pinball machine, right?
Speaker: Oh, Napoleon Dynamite.
Speaker: That would be an LE purchase right there.
Speaker: You know what?
Speaker: The Uncle Rico edition or whatever.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I love when he's playing tetherball by himself and he's like hitting it.
Speaker: You could have a tetherball mech in there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's kind of like the Jurassic Park car, but it just keeps spinning.
Speaker: Uh-huh.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I love it.
Speaker: It's not the Jurassic.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That's what Hot Wheels has.
Speaker: Did you see that?
Speaker: Hot Wheels.
Speaker: It's the Jurassic Park car.
Speaker: It just has that car spinning around.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh my goodness.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: We're, we're on this now.
Speaker: What are your guys's first impressions of Hot Wheels since we've seen wonderful cell phone footage of it?
Speaker: Uh, I don't like to judge a lot off of cell phone footage.
Speaker: Um, but since that is all that we have, I'll say this.
Speaker: It looks fine.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: It's very standard, which I think is probably a good thing for coming from American pinball.
Speaker: If we're either one of you guys in the four player group of Oktoberfest at Denver that lasted for like an hour and a half.
Speaker: Yeah, and it was you and Dan played on Ball 1 for like 45 minutes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I think I wandered by.
Speaker: I think I wandered away and played like five games of Black Knight, and I came back, and you guys were still playing with it.
Speaker: Yeah, and so that's not going to happen here, which is nice.
Speaker: It doesn't look like there's going to be a lot of complex things that are going to be problematic, but I don't know.
Speaker: It's going to see how well they are at building a standard game, because it is...
Speaker: it's got a couple of little surprises and stuff in there and it's got some of their little trademarks, but I do love that on the out lane and the in lane lights, it says spells Epic.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That kind of, I didn't know they poached Jared from Stern, but Epic.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: My, my take on it is, you know what, this is going to be that game that 70 year old grandpa is going to buy and put in his basement.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And this is exactly catering to that crowd.
Speaker: And I actually have said it before.
Speaker: It's actually good when you have options outside of my wheelhouse because I am perfect.
Speaker: The the main demographic for Stern.
Speaker: I am the 45 year old dude with a pinball basement.
Speaker: And so this theme is not for me.
Speaker: However, this is a theme where grandpa is saying, Hey, I'm trying to have some cool things for my grandkids to come over.
Speaker: And they, you know, are you kidding?
Speaker: They're not going to buy iron maiden.
Speaker: They're not going to buy kiss.
Speaker: They're not going to buy, you know, a motley crew.
Speaker: They're not going to buy any of those things, but they're like hot wheels.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: I'll buy that.
Speaker: So as long as it plays somewhat, as long as it is good enough, they'll sell it.
Speaker: And so I think it's actually a good thing.
Speaker: And perhaps it's one of those things where they're going for a market that is currently untapped.
Speaker: And really that that older guy with a game room, you know, it's in some ways it's a little bit like the Jetsons, but this is something that even they will relate to the 70 year olds.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Hot Wheels been around.
Speaker: Well, and I hope it's one of those games that's like the shadow where no one likes the theme, but it's like such a killer game that you're just like, I have to own the shadow.
Speaker: Because like you got to admit the whole price in that title is solely because of gameplay.
Speaker: It's not in theme whatsoever.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: The resale value.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, the nice thing about Hot Wheels is it's not going to be, for a lot of people, a theme that gets them excited, but it's not going to be a turnoff theme.
Speaker: Like Iron Maiden plays really well, but there's a lot of people who don't like the theme.
Speaker: And it's a turnoff theme for some.
Speaker: Who's, like, irritated by toy cars?
Speaker: You kind of have to be a grumpy person, right, to just say I'm flat out irritated by that?
Speaker: I can see not enjoying it, not liking it, but it shouldn't annoy you.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: It's basically a non-threatening theme that you recognize.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Do you think it's the theme at the bar, though, that people walk over and think, oh, hey, Hot Wheels.
Speaker: They're not going for the bar.
Speaker: That's Oktoberfest.
Speaker: And then Gottlieb will come out and make Matchbox cars.
Speaker: The premiere will be back.
Speaker: That would be so sweet.
Speaker: It'll be like burning tires is what it would be.
Speaker: Something like that.
Speaker: Nice.
Speaker: Micro Machines.
Speaker: You remember those?
Speaker: They were awesome.
Speaker: You know, I was so jealous because I was so dirt poor when I was a kid that all those all those little little brats who had every single toy, you know, the guy who had the AT-AT machine.
Speaker: Like, I was so jealous of the guy with the AT-AT machine and the Yoda underoos because I didn't get those.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: I don't know what to say to that.
Speaker: You know, I kind of want to.
Speaker: Did you know you can buy adult size underoos now?
Speaker: I kind of wanted to buy some, some Yoda under ruse just to surprise my wife one night.
Speaker: And yeah, it was a surprise.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Not in a good way.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's, that's an, that's an idea.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You're done having kids though, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, I, I've been fixed.
Speaker: I'm shooting blanks.
Speaker: So, okay.
Speaker: So yeah, it's not going to change a whole lot for you.
Speaker: Go ahead.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'll give you an update next episode.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: We'll just figure that you did it.
Speaker: Leave it to your imagination.
Speaker: I'm pretty sure we'll hear about it on Facebook.
Speaker: It didn't work.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Oh my goodness.
Speaker: I don't know why.
Speaker: Well, we've been watching a lot of Big Bang Theory lately because, you know, time.
Speaker: And so, yeah, now...
Speaker: All I'm thinking about is like, cause Sheldon, that's all he wears is like Spider-Man and superhero under ruse.
Speaker: Cause it always comes up as a joke when, you know, this was still on the laundry and anyhow.
Speaker: Well, he usually has the flash shirt on.
Speaker: That's, that's his go-to.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So yeah, I had to stop watching that when my kids were old enough to get all the innuendos.
Speaker: Well, my wife points sometimes they literally talk about sex every single episode.
Speaker: I'm like, no, they don't.
Speaker: Yeah, they do.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We're in like season four.
Speaker: It's everything.
Speaker: I've never noticed it.
Speaker: Yeah, it must be.
Speaker: I don't know what it is, but yeah, I guess I'm oblivious.
Speaker: I don't know because this is our fourth or fifth time going through the whole series.
Speaker: By the way, did you just said you're oblivious?
Speaker: Because that's awesome that that I did.
Speaker: And I will own up to that.
Speaker: Yes, I want to be oblivious.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm pretty for sure I said oblivious, but hey.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: Fine.
Speaker: Oh, my goodness.
Speaker: I hear Bolivia is beautiful this time of year.
Speaker: I heard oblivion is a fantastic game, so.
Speaker: It could be.
Speaker: Okay, so the last topic, because we've gone completely off the rails, but the last thing that we did talk about, or we wanted to talk about is...
Speaker: It's probably the end of having, hey, I'm buying this license and I get everything with it, including the music, the actors, the videos, everything with it.
Speaker: And so...
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Where are we in pinball and themes?
Speaker: Because it seems like we have to pick and choose with the theme.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So which parts of the theme are paramount?
Speaker: Is it the name?
Speaker: Is it the music?
Speaker: Is it this actor?
Speaker: Is it that?
Speaker: So like, what is it that will allow you to still purchase a theme, but have enough of it that it's relevant?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So hold on.
Speaker: I want to do a couple examples before we develop into this really quick.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So the reason this is getting brought up, I mean, obviously Jurassic Park is a fantastic game.
Speaker: And the main complaint was there was no movie, like actual movie footage and stuff like that in it.
Speaker: But what they got with the theme was the dinosaurs, the logo, and the music.
Speaker: And so it's proved that you can make an awesome game with just some of the elements from the movie.
Speaker: And we've heard the rumor, this has been talked about on multiple different podcasts, that Jaws was only going to be like the shark and the boat, maybe the music, but that's it.
Speaker: Um, so I think first off, I think if you're going to buy anything asset wise from Steven Spielberg, you're going to run into this.
Speaker: And second off, do you think this starts becoming a trend where Jurassic park like games becomes the standard?
Speaker: So, yeah, it's actually, it's actually something that's been going on for a long time, but they've been hiding it better because they use DMDs.
Speaker: So they didn't need to buy the video clips.
Speaker: Um, they didn't have to buy, um,
Speaker: this always get the image rights to certain actors.
Speaker: If you take a game that sounds like it has a lot of theme packed into it, and it does, let's like look at Simpsons Pinball Party.
Speaker: Now, the trick there is that most of the voice actors on the Simpsons voice like four to five characters.
Speaker: So they only needed to get a couple of people and they got a whole bunch covered.
Speaker: Plus they used Fred Young to imitate a few voices.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But, um, if they were to do the Simpsons today, they probably have to sacrifice and get down to a single voice actor.
Speaker: They'd probably go with, you know, Homer's voice or Bart's voice.
Speaker: And then they'd use video clips, um, which would be a whole different cost.
Speaker: And, uh,
Speaker: I think that the introduction of live video started causing that trade-off because they have to get, again, with real-time movies like Jurassic Park, they would have had to get Jeff Goldblum to sign off on his image being used and all that complicates stuff.
Speaker: Personally, I like what they did as far as limiting...
Speaker: um, the image assets and not using video clips as much as I love Jurassic park, the movie, and we already went over that.
Speaker: Um, I think it just opens up possibilities to do what they want with it.
Speaker: If they're not having to tie in certain shots to trigger this scene or that scene, like if you look at the Munsters, um, it's just like a clip show of repeating clips over and over and over.
Speaker: Um, and it just feels like there's a little bit less, um,
Speaker: freedom to do what they want within the game at that point.
Speaker: But yeah, they're going to have to keep dividing these up.
Speaker: The cost of these licenses seem to be going up more and more, and they're going to because there's more competition for them now.
Speaker: It's not just Stern being the only builder saying, hey, we want to do a pinball machine.
Speaker: And they approach Disney and Disney say, yeah, but we are also talking to JJP.
Speaker: They want this too.
Speaker: And who else might be putting in for it?
Speaker: So the cost of the stuff is just going to go up.
Speaker: constantly because of that yeah i i think that it is actually beneficial to have a story that's within the world of jurassic park but not necessarily the same story right i i know someone who had it was gary uh my buddy
Speaker: He had an L.E.
Speaker: Star Wars.
Speaker: And he actually liked it.
Speaker: It was fun.
Speaker: It was the most beautiful Star Wars because he had blinged it out.
Speaker: He had done all sorts of really cool things with it.
Speaker: And he said...
Speaker: Eventually, it was the constant call outs from the movie that made him want to sell it because it was making him not like the movies anymore.
Speaker: I could see it.
Speaker: Just repetitive, right?
Speaker: It was just repetitive.
Speaker: So, you know, every time the ball drains, it's Yoda, control, control.
Speaker: You must learn control.
Speaker: And that's one of the most powerful parts of Empire Strikes Back is that teaching scene with him and Luke.
Speaker: But if you get so tired of those little clips, then eventually you're going to hate the game.
Speaker: So I like having the option of having a different storyline.
Speaker: But still, it still makes you feel like you are involved in the world.
Speaker: Now, I will completely argue that the difference is with Lord of the Rings, you are going through the movie of the Lord of the Rings.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: But they're not video clips.
Speaker: They're not video clips and it feels good.
Speaker: And that was when the first time that I played Munsters, I about wanted to die the fifth time grandpa walked over to that stupid book and flipped it.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I was like, I don't care anymore.
Speaker: Just keep moving.
Speaker: So now I will say that The Hobbit, if you want theme integration, The Hobbit is probably the best theme integration ever made.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And they did a lot of custom stuff too, though, on top of it.
Speaker: No, absolutely.
Speaker: But I'm saying that that was one of those where, yeah, that is the way to do it right.
Speaker: But it is so hard to do that.
Speaker: And I would argue Pirates of the Caribbean, the new JJP one with Eric, he did an amazing job of getting you in that world while not feeling like you are just overwhelmed by that world.
Speaker: So it's that fine line of how much is it worth?
Speaker: Are you willing to spend a thousand dollars to get the theme that you want?
Speaker: People always say that, that they're willing to pay the money, but when it comes down to it, they're going to, they're going to holler every time there's like, oh, they raised a 500 bucks for this.
Speaker: They're like, well, we could have lowered a $500 and stripped some stuff out, which is what has probably happened with some games.
Speaker: So do you think it's acceptable then?
Speaker: So would you prefer to be playing the movie like a Lord of the Rings type of game, which I guess we've established you're really not because it's DMD and stuff like that?
Speaker: Or would you prefer to be...
Speaker: kind of like in the role like Jurassic Park you are like the new hire the employee well let's take gremlins for example let's say that all you got with gremlins is literally just the gremlins you even get the you don't get gizmo you just you get gremlins right and you get the logo and but you're the idiot that decided to give the little magua water and now you're cleaning up as many gremlins as you can you know what I'm saying do you think something like that would work
Speaker: I dig it.
Speaker: I mean, that's what they did with Ghostbusters.
Speaker: You're the recruit.
Speaker: Um, and, uh, you know, Ernie Hudson's doing the voice as Winston and he's talking to you as the new guy and it works fine.
Speaker: It feels like you're in Ghostbusters.
Speaker: The theme integration in Ghostbusters is actually fantastic.
Speaker: They did a really good job with that one.
Speaker: It's fantastic.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, I like it though, because it leaves a little bit to be left unexpected as well.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I don't know how many things are so iconic.
Speaker: Like these are all popular themes that they go after, but I don't know how many things are so like dead iconic that you can't have a take on it or a story within a story.
Speaker: Like even Star Wars, they could say, Hey, you're the leader, leader of a fighter squadron at, you know, at these big battles and, you know,
Speaker: You know, you could have very passing references, like maybe the Millennium Falcon just flies by on the screen at times or something like that.
Speaker: But you have your own story going on.
Speaker: It'd be interesting.
Speaker: I mean, that's what Rogue One was as a movie.
Speaker: It was the, you know, the side story.
Speaker: So they could do really cool stuff with that, with these themes.
Speaker: But
Speaker: Sometimes that's hard because they don't want you generating new art assets within those themes.
Speaker: They want you to use their package stuff.
Speaker: So I think the concept works fine.
Speaker: It's up to the license holder of what they're going to let you do with it.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I'm getting more and more to the point where I enjoy being immersed in the game by being someone in the game.
Speaker: Like Jurassic Park.
Speaker: I think it's awesome.
Speaker: And it makes me nervous when people are throwing such a fit about, hey, why are not all the movie clips in there and this and that?
Speaker: I don't think it's such a terrible problem that all the assets aren't in the game.
Speaker: It should just feel like the theme.
Speaker: You don't necessarily have to have all of the famous scenes played out as you play.
Speaker: Well, it matters, though, on location.
Speaker: It will.
Speaker: If someone is only playing a game because they're at a pizza joint and they see Star Wars out there, they want to see the familiar stuff.
Speaker: And so it's finding that fine line of how familiar is necessary versus repetitive.
Speaker: Yeah, sure.
Speaker: I guess that does go to your point.
Speaker: I mean, if we made a Star Wars and you didn't get any of the characters from it, you're literally got like what?
Speaker: The Millennium Falcon and maybe a couple of Wookiees because that's what they're giving you.
Speaker: People might be upset with that.
Speaker: And I could understand that, but we don't have to go to the whole degree of every single specific scene from each movie.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: But how fun would it have been to have Star Wars filled with custom call outs rather than movie clips?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, if only there was a Star Wars actor that was really good at voice work.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean.
Speaker: Someone that could really hit the mark.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Maybe they can get the guy who did the Joker in Batman.
Speaker: How could you imagine if they had used him in a Batman pin?
Speaker: Oh, that would have been great.
Speaker: Let's vault the Dark Knight and not into Batman 66.
Speaker: Let's vault it.
Speaker: Let's just vault Batman 66.
Speaker: I would vault Batman 66 and put it into just the animated series.
Speaker: I would take that over Batman 66.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That'd be awesome because then you get Mark Hamill.
Speaker: Oh, that's who did it?
Speaker: Oh, man.
Speaker: Has he been in anything else?
Speaker: Um, no, he's the best Joker ever.
Speaker: Yeah, no, it's, he really is.
Speaker: He's great.
Speaker: I don't know when, when it comes to Joker lists, there's, there's two that float to the top and it's either Heath Ledger.
Speaker: It's a, it's Mark Hamill and it's seriously every Joker list I've looked at.
Speaker: It's one of the two.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So I, that's true.
Speaker: I'm Mark's done it twice.
Speaker: He did the animated series, then the video game stuff.
Speaker: And, um, Oh, which was amazing.
Speaker: Arkham city is some of the best voice acting I've ever seen, but yeah, he's an incredible Joker for that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Arkham city, the pinball machine.
Speaker: Do it.
Speaker: Come on, Stern.
Speaker: Do it.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And don't.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm all for that.
Speaker: I love that series.
Speaker: That's a great, my son loves that series.
Speaker: I mean, it's just a wonderful series.
Speaker: So, well, I, I think that pretty much, uh, wraps it up.
Speaker: I, I honestly think, you know, the whole time we've said this multiple times, we've went off the rails.
Speaker: I really think that's going to be the title of this episode.
Speaker: Really orange, uh, plastic track.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The Hot Wheels track.
Speaker: We crashed a few times, but you know what?
Speaker: That's part of the fun.
Speaker: Hey, dude, I'm still disappointed.
Speaker: I still want to play, even though it's not my game theme that I want.
Speaker: I'm still disappointed that we're not going to be playing these games.
Speaker: It sucks.
Speaker: No, I was so looking forward to this Texas pinball festival, but I probably was going to win the tournament.
Speaker: I mean, yeah, I felt it.
Speaker: I felt it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think a lot of people thought I would.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, Jeff, you do have some pinball-related stuff.
Speaker: Why don't you go ahead and tell us what you have and how they can find it?
Speaker: Um, I have a podcast that has plenty of episodes to catch up on.
Speaker: If you want to do that, the pinball podcast, the most pretentious name in pinball podcasting, um, just pinball podcast.com or Facebook or whatever you can find us.
Speaker: We'll come, we're coming back.
Speaker: Um, also I'm selling a dopey shirt that is peace, love, happiness, and pinball.
Speaker: Um, um,
Speaker: Everyone wants peace, love, and happiness, but I really think you need that fourth thing to be truly content.
Speaker: And for us, a lot of us, it's pinball.
Speaker: So I'm selling that shirt.
Speaker: I find my Facebook profile.
Speaker: I posted it there and I made it public.
Speaker: That'll do.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And why?
Speaker: Otherwise...
Speaker: Support my co-host Jessica and soft plunge soft plunge pinball her, her merch that she's doing.
Speaker: Um, she just came out with some new stickers and it's awesome.
Speaker: Like Jessica does a good job with that.
Speaker: Um, you see her stuff everywhere now.
Speaker: It's just soft plunge pinball.com.
Speaker: But if you were at, um,
Speaker: uh pinberg last year you saw her pinball summer tinks all over the place in the shorts and stuff so yeah check yourself out scott scott's scott got some of those booty shorts and he he sports him for his wife yeah and i mean come on she's got the wu-tang one the uh pinball rules everything around me shirt that's just you kind of got to have that okay actually yeah i have totally forgot i have to actually give a shout out
Speaker: to Dr. Pin and Mrs. Pin.
Speaker: So we have been getting this package together to send off to them.
Speaker: And Mrs. Pin actually said, hey, I need your logo.
Speaker: And we're like, oh, okay.
Speaker: So I sent off the logo.
Speaker: And they sent me a package of, and they asked what size my wife was.
Speaker: My wife got a custom shirt of two things.
Speaker: She got an exercise shirt of Mrs. Pin, Mrs. Pin's pinball podcast.
Speaker: And also it has Womp on there, which is hilarious because I had to explain to my wife what Womp was.
Speaker: And she liked it, but she says, we're never telling our kids what that means.
Speaker: And they also gave me a bag and they gave me earrings and they gave me a whole bunch of sweet swag.
Speaker: So we are in the process of engineering our return gift bag to send up to them.
Speaker: But just wanted to give them a shout out for everything they sent me and how absolutely amazing that was.
Speaker: And if you haven't checked out their pinball podcast, it's Mrs. Pinball Podcast.
Speaker: And also Christian is Dr. Pin and he is on.
Speaker: The is the super awesome pinball podcast.
Speaker: Is that what it is?
Speaker: Yes, that's right.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Cause they changed their name a few times, but that they go check that out too.
Speaker: Um, uh, I just need to actually say one thing.
Speaker: I offered to send a box of fun pinball stuff to them about a year ago, maybe longer, probably longer.
Speaker: I still get to do it.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Bring it down.
Speaker: We'll just send a giant guest package.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That reminds me, our shirts should be done tomorrow.
Speaker: I will check with our people.
Speaker: We were supposed to have these for TPF.
Speaker: Listen, you guys, our people, you're so fancy on this show.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: Sounds so elitist, you people.
Speaker: But we should have those done tomorrow.
Speaker: We do have some extra.
Speaker: We were planning on having some extras down at TPF.
Speaker: If you want to reach out to us and get one of those t-shirts.
Speaker: I got hats.
Speaker: I've got beanies.
Speaker: We were cocked and ready to rock for TPF.
Speaker: And then this all happened.
Speaker: And I already put in the order.
Speaker: And I was like, well.
Speaker: We'll make it work.
Speaker: So if you want to get ahold of us, we are the loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.
Speaker: Don't put the in front of it.
Speaker: Just put loser kid pinball podcast.
Speaker: You can find us at Facebook at Facebook, facebook.com slash loser kid pinball podcast.
Speaker: I cannot talk tonight.
Speaker: My tongue's tied.
Speaker: If you want to get ahold of, of me or Scott, you can find us on Facebook.
Speaker: That's probably the easiest way.
Speaker: We talk through messenger a lot.
Speaker: Um, we are on Instagram and we're on SoundCloud.
Speaker: So if you want to check us out, if you're not checking us out right now, I don't know how you're doing it, but yeah.
Speaker: Oh, and I want to do one quick shout out.
Speaker: We have a fan that has listened since every single episode and I've never talked about this guy, even though he is, he's an awesome dude.
Speaker: His name is Spencer Chapman.
Speaker: Dude, thank you so much for the support and all the shows.
Speaker: I ran, I had him down last weekend and he's, he's telling me how much he loves the shows and, uh,
Speaker: you're an awesome dude.
Speaker: So I'll have to introduce you to Scott and Jeff next time you're, you're around and about so.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: So other than that, guys, Jeff, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker: Uh, we really appreciate all the conversation, the banter, even though we went off the rails.
Speaker: I apologize.
Speaker: I don't.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I think it was, it was important.
Speaker: We, we actually talked about things that were even more important than pinball.
Speaker: So,
Speaker: Yeah, Hot Wheels.
Speaker: You know we're going to go off the rails when we're talking about Scott sitting on the toilet getting shaken during an earthquake.
Speaker: It worked.
Speaker: I'm just putting that out there.
Speaker: Rock my world.
Speaker: But thanks again.
Speaker: Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker: Thanks again for joining us, you guys.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Thanks, guys.
