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Ep 146: All About Avatar with Vic VP
11 Plays6 months ago
Scott's back and Vic joins us from their field trip at Jersey Jack Pinball. We're talking everything Avatar!
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Introduction and Episode Focus
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Thanks for tuning in to Lose Kid Pinball Podcast.
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We are on episode 146.
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I am Josh Roop with me, my co-captain as always.
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Scott Larson.
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We got an awesome guest joining us today.
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Scott, you've had quite the adventure and there's a new game out.
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We're focusing specifically on Avatar today.
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Tell us about if you're going to buy that magic, where are you going to buy
Endorsements and Guest Introduction
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it from, Scott?
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No, I'd contact Zach and Nicole Minney at Flippin' Out Pinball.
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Actually, I know two people personally who have purchased the collector's edition.
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from flipping out pinballs.
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So it's a great place.
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They have great customer service.
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So definitely reach out to them and they'll be able to hook you up.
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Yep, definitely.
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Well, our guest kind of came onto the scene crashing and kind of like blew us away back in May.
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And then he's just like part of the clan now.
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If you haven't checked out his site, his videos are fantastic.
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He loves Godfather.
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I mean, it's Vic VP.
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And I think you are a great example, Vic, of how...
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having virtual pinball can transition you into buying actual pinball.
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And you just did a video on this.
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It was like your one year owning pinball, which was a fantastic like 45-ish minute video.
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If you haven't checked this out, check out Vic.
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But we want to welcome on Vic VP.
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How you doing, man?
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Thank you guys.
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I'm just happy to be here.
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Thank you guys so much for inviting me on this.
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And again, I can't thank you guys enough.
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You guys were one of the two that messaged me after the whole whirlwind and fiasco media stuff.
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And you guys are very welcoming.
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And I'm very grateful that you guys shot me an email and called my nerves.
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So thank you for inviting me.
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And I'm just excited to be here.
Chicago Trip and Jersey Jack Pinball (JJP) Factory Tour
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Yeah, man.
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We're excited to have you on.
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It's awesome.
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Well, you got to hang out with Scott and you guys went and did a little field trip like last Thursday, Friday.
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Where'd you guys go?
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We went to Chicago.
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We flew into Chicago.
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So full disclaimer, we did get JJP, Jersey Jack pinball.
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They had an event and they invited media people to come out.
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They did pay our expenses to come out.
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So we just want to make sure everybody's aware of that.
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with the caveat that they had no restrictions on the content that we were going to talk about.
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They basically said, you know, anything that we talk about is without bias.
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And it's our impression.
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So we're very grateful that Jersey Jack was able to do that.
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And so this is all about Avatar.
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This episode is.
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I flew in the night before.
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We went to Jersey Jack starting about 10 o'clock, and we were there until about 3 o'clock.
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So we started off.
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We got a little quick tour of Jersey Jack.
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They also took us back.
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Well, they talked about the game, talked a little bit about what was going on, went and took a tour around the factory.
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We got to see avatars that were on the line.
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We're able to see the mechs.
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We're able to see the underplay fields.
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able to see the cabinets.
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And then we went and grabbed some lunch and we played avatar.
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So,
Discussion on JJP's Avatar Game
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and then after that we went to interium, they had a section in interium that had all of their games.
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Well, okay.
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So the ones that they didn't have, they didn't have pirates and they didn't have a waz.
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Yeah.
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So, but they had all the other games there.
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So this is actually a pretty monumental release for them.
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This is their 10th game.
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And they've really picked it up over the last couple of years where it used to be that they were taking years between games.
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So they were taking years to get another game out.
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They seem to have accelerated that.
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A few years ago, we heard Jack talk about wanting to release things more on an accelerated basis.
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It seemed like teasing out about every nine months or so.
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And they seem to have been following that for the last couple of releases.
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So that's actually been really good for them.
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So this is their 10th game.
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It's a new designer.
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So, Josh, why don't you give us the rundown on who was involved in this?
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For sure.
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So you got to understand, I was a little jealous because I start getting these notes.
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I'm at work and also my phone just starts boop.
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I'm like, what is going on?
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And Scott's taking notes.
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And because we obviously podcast together, he doesn't want me to lose these notes.
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So he's texting them over to me.
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And I'm like, what is what in the earth?
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They were they were quick little like, hey, this is what's going on.
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So it's a stream of consciousness.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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So I'm assuming this is who worked on the game or all involved.
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So Mark Seiden is the newest designer to to JJP.
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This is his first release.
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If you haven't checked out Metroid, I'm assuming they're going to have it expo.
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Don't quote me on that, but it's a fantastic game.
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I was excited to see what he came out with with JJP just because I'm a huge Metroid fan and he did a great job with that.
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Metroid was a homebrew for those who didn't know.
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This was his own game that he just made himself.
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Then you've got on here Ken Cromwell, which is head of marketing, right?
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Is that his official title?
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Sorry, Ken, if I got that wrong.
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Eric Meniere, which got a new title.
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So he's just been a designer for a while, but now his new title is like the head of operations, isn't it, or something like that?
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He's like the George Gomez now of JJP.
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Yeah, he's basically like the chief.
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I didn't get his official title, but he is basically the chief engineer.
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Gotcha.
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Tom Capara, who left Stern,
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It's now the head over manufacturing.
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And Tom was over, not manufacturing, he was machining at Stern.
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He was one of the head guys.
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He also helped with Cactus Canyon and actually I think was the designer for Cactus Canyon as well.
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back in the 90s at Bally Williams.
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And you've got Brett Abess.
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That's the only person on here I don't know.
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Yeah, Brett Abess, he is actually the, so they are the part owners of the company.
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Oh, okay.
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So when they came in.
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Okay.
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And so I talked to Brett a little bit.
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He's super nice, super excited about being involved in pinball, wanting to bring it to the fans, try to make the best product.
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And, you know, he comes from a background where his dad has a lot of money.
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And so he's used to being in like a big business situation.
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And so he comes from that.
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He is over Jersey Jack.
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They are fans.
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They are personally fans.
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And so that's how they got involved.
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There were a couple that I didn't get on that list just because I didn't know at the time.
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And let's see if I can find those.
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Okay.
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So there were also a couple other new ones.
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Leah Foskey, she did the art.
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And she comes from the, it was the video game background, right, Vic?
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Yeah, it was Hearthstone, I believe it was.
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Yeah, so she came from the video game background.
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And mobile gaming, too.
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I don't know if she's done actual console game, but it was, yeah.
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Sure.
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So definitely the video game.
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It was interesting because when we, she wasn't there, but when we talked about getting the asset integration and being able to do the art package,
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They said it was interesting because she actually had more freedom doing this than she typically does doing the video games.
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And that did stand out to me because usually it's the other way around.
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Usually when the artist is like, ah, I have all these constraints to work with.
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So that was something that really stood out.
Impressions and Gameplay Experience of Avatar Pinball
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Especially with a Disney license.
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That's interesting.
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Also on here is Keith Johnson.
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You know Keith Johnson.
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johnson keith johnson you love his code from lord of the rings and okay but even back in the day yeah simpson but yeah lord of the rings but he's been doing the main code design architecture for all the jersey jack games yes and then you've got on animation the legendary john paul de win yep uh and he's he's been there at jgp for a while working on their animations
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And there is, okay, I'm trying not to get this wrong.
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It was Rachel Foskey.
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Am I saying that correctly?
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She's the head mechanical engineer.
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Oh, yes.
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I remember them announcing her.
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Yes.
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Yeah, and so it was really nice to see that this game is bringing a lot of new and young blood into the pinball sphere.
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And they really come from... Rachel is a...
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She's a mechanical engineer.
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She's, she's certainly young.
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And this is great because we are getting new people into pinball and casting the net wider.
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It's, it's, it's nice just because a lot of, you know, for a long time, pinball tends to be a little bit of a self-perpetuating machine.
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And you get a lot of a lot of people who have been involved in pinball remaking and being re-involved in pinball.
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So being able to bring in more talent certainly broadens the exposure and broadens the the demographic that that is involved in pinball, which is only a good thing.
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Yeah, I agree.
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So what was your guys's first impressions walking into the factory?
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Why don't you tell me about that, Vic?
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I went to Ken and I was like, how do you get work done?
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How do you get work done in this amazing facility?
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It's like a very well-built machine.
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And when Eric was giving us the tour, you could tell he's passionate.
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And he knew where everything was.
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It was a fine-tuned machine.
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It was just from the beginning to the end and how organized and everything was.
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I was mind-blown by the whole thing.
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That's awesome.
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It is...
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I would say that if you're looking at different factories, Stern has an enormous factory.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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So this is a smaller level, but it's still a big factory.
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Okay.
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And so you could tell that they were able to, to do a lot of stuff there.
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It is interesting because I did get this little tidbit that I was, we were trying to tease out.
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Okay.
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So how many games do they make?
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You know, of course they don't release the figures anymore.
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They used to release all these things, but I did get, let's see if they are running at full capacity, they could make 80 games a day.
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Nice.
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Okay.
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And, uh, I did specifically ask how many man hours does it take to get from start to finish?
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Um, 18 to 22.
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Okay.
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So roughly three to four days to get something from start to finish.
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That's if they don't drop the play field and scattered the bolts every, every, that was a different tour.
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Um, uh, okay.
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However, ironically,
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Okay, Vic, do you remember this?
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They do a play field drop test.
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Yes, apparently four feet off the floor.
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Four feet.
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What?
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Wait, what?
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They suspend a play field four feet off the ground.
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Fully populated.
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We're talking a full, everything's on it, all the mechs.
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And then they, I don't know if they just release the power or they cut the cord or whatever, but it's a full drop from four feet onto a cement ground.
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And he said it's loud.
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Yeah.
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And what's the reasoning behind this play field drop?
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Okay.
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So this is the challenge because shipping, we all know crazy things happen when you're shipping and shipping companies do not use kid gloves.
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No, they do not.
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So this is their way of trying to ensure that when it's put in a box and it ships out to a customer, that they have done as much as reasonably possible to ensure that
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that things aren't going to be broken or moving around or loose.
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Gotcha.
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So I thought that was an interesting, um, yeah.
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They even mentioned that they have a room with the flippers are just going for like days.
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Eric's like, it's just a loud room and it's very hot in that room.
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So they get, they're doing their testing and that was interesting to hear.
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So they must have moved that because when Scott and I went on the tour back in 2021, they had this like cage inside the like manufacturing area and it was going, whatever they were testing was going off the whole time.
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We're like, yeah, what's back there.
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And they're like, you can't see that.
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Like, but what is it?
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It's our next game.
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We're testing a mech.
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And it's like, so what would happen?
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Cause it's just us and Ken.
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Like, yeah, what are you going to do to stop us?
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Obviously, obviously we didn't, yeah, we didn't, we didn't peek behind the curtain.
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But,
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They do have ways, just like any manufacturing company is going to have ways of continually testing machines.
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And so they have balls that are rolling around play fields, flippers activating, and just making sure that you're going to get hours and hours and hours of wear on the play field from extensive testing to make sure that it's going to last the life of the game.
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I want to point one thing out.
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So you brought up the new artist, Leah Fowski.
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Is that what you said her name was?
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I like this because I feel like it differentiates in two different ways.
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So they brought on a new artist and that really differentiates JJP because we're not pulling from the same pool of artists that have already been in pinball.
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Right.
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And I get there's some that come and go, but for the most part, I think the second way it differentiates is this isn't like your stereotypical pinball art.
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Right.
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She's definitely taken it.
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It's cool because it's pinball art, but it's in a new direction.
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In my opinion, she did a fantastic job.
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Like I want to applaud her and applaud JJP for taking a risk and not just doing the same old same old.
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Right.
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So.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it definitely.
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Okay.
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So let's get into that.
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There's other things that I'm going to talk that we want to talk about.
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But I want to get into, okay, so Avatar.
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Now, if you listened to us last time, we just had like a 10-second trailer to look at.
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And we did talk about this.
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So let's talk about everybody, Avatar as a theme, okay?
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And I did go out and say that this was...
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what I would probably consider a B-level theme in that it's very recognizable.
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Everybody knows Avatar.
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Everybody has seen it, has some sort of exposure to it.
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They're going to recognize it when they come into an arcade.
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However, it's not, you know, I would say Freckas.
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I'm sorry.
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I just barely, I was making sure I got her so I could, so the mechanical engineers, I didn't say it correctly.
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It's, is that Freckas?
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I'm sorry, Rachel, if I'm sorry.
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if I'm saying it wrong.
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But it's a, it, it is a theme that, you know, if you look at, oh, sorry, Frerichs.
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That's Rachel Frerichs.
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I'm sorry.
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I, I want to, I want to make sure that I was, I was saying everybody's name.
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It's that monkey on your back.
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I get you.
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I did.
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So I actually went back and I was pulling up in the background.
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I was watching the, the avatar video that had everybody's name in it.
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Okay.
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A-list titles.
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Okay.
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What's an A-list title?
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Star Wars.
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Yeah.
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Star Wars is an A-list title.
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Harry Potter.
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Harry Potter is an A-list title.
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Pokemon.
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Pokemon is not an A-list title.
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Um, dude, it's the highest grossing franchise of all time.
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How is it not?
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Yeah.
Thematic and Artistic Exploration of Avatar
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Well, okay.
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Do you want to go on with wind pinball machine?
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Um, that's not even near the top 25 franchises.
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Actually, when you adjust for inflation, it actually is.
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Okay.
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Made movies, but not franchises.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Fine.
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Okay.
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So yeah, this is, this is a solid theme.
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That is quite recognizable.
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And so in some ways, though, I think this is good because people aren't fully immersed in the lore of this.
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They understand it.
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OK, and there are super fans out there who are totally into it, but it doesn't have the handcuffs, I would say, that a Star Wars game would have and that like a Harry Potter game would have.
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OK, now I'm going to I'm going to throw it to Vic and ask your thoughts and I'm going to throw it over to Josh.
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I mean, again, if we're talking about Avatar, I am, I'm not in it.
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I don't like it.
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It's not for me when it was in the movie theaters and people were talking about it.
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I'm personally not into that, like sci-fi.
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I just, it's not for me.
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So when I heard that they were doing it.
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You at least recognize it.
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You knew what?
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No, no.
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I used to see blue and the ears and I knew, I knew who and what it is.
00:18:19
Speaker
But as far as me being a fan of the theme, it's, I, it's, I don't, I'm not a fan of the movie.
00:18:24
Speaker
So.
00:18:24
Speaker
Okay.
00:18:25
Speaker
Okay, Josh?
00:18:28
Speaker
It does not do anything for me.
00:18:30
Speaker
I'm not a huge Avatar fan.
00:18:32
Speaker
Okay, which is fine.
00:18:33
Speaker
Yeah, it just isn't.
00:18:35
Speaker
Here's the problem with me.
00:18:36
Speaker
I felt like I don't like to go to movies to have a political message.
00:18:40
Speaker
And I felt like every time you watch an Avatar movie, there's some kind of underlying political message that they're trying to push.
00:18:45
Speaker
And I'm like, it's just not for me.
00:18:47
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:18:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:48
Speaker
Okay.
00:18:48
Speaker
Yes, we all know what Avatar is.
00:18:50
Speaker
We know.
00:18:51
Speaker
Once you see the blue guy, it's like, all right, Avatar.
00:18:53
Speaker
Not Smurf.
00:18:54
Speaker
Avatar.
00:18:55
Speaker
Okay.
00:18:55
Speaker
Yep.
00:18:56
Speaker
Okay, now have either of you guys been able to go down to Walt Disney World and see the world of Pandora down there?
00:19:05
Speaker
No.
00:19:05
Speaker
Okay.
00:19:06
Speaker
It's really cool in that you're going through and you're walking through like an avatar for the Pandora forest.
00:19:15
Speaker
And it's really pretty.
00:19:17
Speaker
A lot of bioluminescent stuff.
00:19:19
Speaker
And when you're riding on, I don't know if you're riding on the banshee, because the banshee is the big one, right?
00:19:25
Speaker
The big bird.
00:19:27
Speaker
And what's the small other one that you.
00:19:29
Speaker
The whale.
00:19:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:31
Speaker
Well, no, no, not the whale.
00:19:32
Speaker
I'm talking like the other thing, the other smaller bird.
00:19:35
Speaker
There's like the one that you connect your braid to and.
00:19:39
Speaker
And meld somehow with.
00:19:40
Speaker
Dude, I've watched this movie once and I just.
00:19:44
Speaker
Okay.
00:19:44
Speaker
I haven't seen the sequel.
00:19:45
Speaker
I don't.
00:19:45
Speaker
I haven't.
00:19:46
Speaker
Okay.
00:19:46
Speaker
You're speaking French to me.
00:19:48
Speaker
Okay.
00:19:48
Speaker
So the ride though is you're riding one of these creatures and you're flying around.
00:19:53
Speaker
And so.
00:19:54
Speaker
It's a, it is a really cool ride down in Disney world.
00:19:58
Speaker
So my point is that it's still a super popular ride.
00:20:02
Speaker
Okay.
00:20:03
Speaker
Because the, because the visuals of it, especially at a theme park environment are very immersive.
00:20:10
Speaker
Gotcha.
00:20:11
Speaker
Okay.
00:20:12
Speaker
And so that, that's really what I was getting at with that.
00:20:16
Speaker
Okay.
00:20:16
Speaker
So now we're talking about the theme.
00:20:18
Speaker
Okay.
00:20:19
Speaker
Let's, let's talk about the art.
00:20:21
Speaker
Vic, you said it feels a little bit more like a comic book yard.
00:20:24
Speaker
Yeah, I get the, I don't like to use the word cartoony because people could take that differently, but I would say comic book style.
00:20:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker
What passes off for cartoon artwork nowadays too is kind of, it's like, yeah, yeah, I get you there.
00:20:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'm a 90s kid, so if I say the word cartoony, I automatically think like Looney Tunes and I think of like Hey Arnold and Rugrats.
00:20:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:49
Speaker
You know, old school scratch style kind of stuff like that.
00:20:52
Speaker
If someone says cartoon, I immediately default to like the El Cheapo Disney straight to video cartoons.
00:21:02
Speaker
Cause I, like, I, like when someone says cartoon, I don't think, oh, this is like a high level release, you know, like Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, you know, all that kind of stuff.
00:21:13
Speaker
I don't think Frozen, what I think is like cheap.
00:21:17
Speaker
That's really, so I, I appreciate.
00:21:19
Speaker
Like the Little Mermaid 2 where she gets a daughter kind of thing?
00:21:21
Speaker
Yeah, seriously.
00:21:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:22
Speaker
Okay.
00:21:23
Speaker
And like all those garbage ones that I never saw.
00:21:26
Speaker
So I appreciate that not using the cartoon.
00:21:29
Speaker
I am a huge, at least growing up, I was a huge comic book fan.
00:21:33
Speaker
So saying comic book is an artistic style in itself, which is really big.
00:21:40
Speaker
So I don't know, Josh, what are your thoughts on the art?
00:21:44
Speaker
On the art, I think they did.
00:21:45
Speaker
I did think it was great.
00:21:46
Speaker
I feel like...
00:21:49
Speaker
I like the unique direction they've went with it.
00:21:51
Speaker
I think, you know, Dennis Creasel says this all the time on EGPs and Pimalshow, like, we've just gotten so used to, like, amping up the saturation to 10.
00:22:02
Speaker
And granted, like, you kind of are with this, but it's more like... This game is not 10.
00:22:06
Speaker
This is, like, 15.
00:22:08
Speaker
exactly but this is spinal tap this one goes to 11 yeah well you got saturation then you've got like uv lighting in three different ways and like but but the thing is is i feel like the artwork is something you would see more like with what pinball's been lately it's it doesn't feel like pinball artwork but it it does does that make sense like we're not doing this stare like old stereotypical stuff but we're going in a new direction i think they've done a great job with it
00:22:34
Speaker
There are two things that I will point out in the art and I'll see if you guys agree with me on this.
00:22:39
Speaker
There are some themes where the oversaturation, like you are being bombarded with a light show, you're being bombarded with colors, flights, flashing, all that kind of stuff.
00:22:54
Speaker
Sometimes it feels like it's off in that it doesn't feel thematically consistent.
00:23:01
Speaker
Right.
00:23:02
Speaker
And even though Godfather is a great presentation, okay?
00:23:06
Speaker
Vic, you have it behind you.
00:23:08
Speaker
Like, it's there, right?
00:23:09
Speaker
It's a great presentation.
00:23:11
Speaker
The light show for Godfather, it's a little distracting to me because it's not what you would expect in a Godfather universe.
00:23:22
Speaker
Yes, I hear you.
00:23:23
Speaker
The Godfather universe, it's in like the, it's a story going from like the 1950s
00:23:31
Speaker
30s through the 1970s right and so that type of stuff was not present now i i understand why you do it by the way i understand why uh you know eric chose when when we did godfather to bring the pinball element because if you did something with muted tones and brown colors it's not going to bring people in
00:23:55
Speaker
Yeah, it's not approachable.
00:23:55
Speaker
Yeah, it's not approachable.
00:23:57
Speaker
It's not going to work for a pinball theme.
00:23:59
Speaker
So you have to pinball it up a little bit with with Avatar.
00:24:04
Speaker
You are.
00:24:05
Speaker
I mean, this is like a Skittles induced seizure.
00:24:08
Speaker
Like you are being bombarded with colors, lights, sound, art.
00:24:14
Speaker
But it seems consistent with what Avatar is.
00:24:18
Speaker
I was just going to ask that.
00:24:19
Speaker
I was like, because you said that you went into the world of Avatar at Disney.
00:24:23
Speaker
And I would assume like color.
00:24:25
Speaker
Yes.
00:24:25
Speaker
And I feel like that's you get the color on that.
00:24:28
Speaker
And like bioluminescence is, you know, or whatever the, the glow in the dark stuff, that is a huge deal with, with avatar, with the world of Pandora, with that kind of stuff.
00:24:40
Speaker
And you see it a lot on here.
00:24:42
Speaker
So the one thing I want to point about the point out about the art, and I'm sorry if I'm stealing this from you, Scott, but my understanding is, is at, at the thing, I know that they said it in the video and whatnot, but I also, while you guys were there, they really, really stressed, uh,
00:24:57
Speaker
how much the, the Navi use their left arm.
00:25:00
Speaker
Like that's the lore of it.
00:25:02
Speaker
Right.
00:25:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:03
Speaker
And we did, we had some discussions behind the scenes on this.
00:25:07
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:25:08
Speaker
No, go, go ahead.
00:25:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:10
Speaker
You can, you can tell exactly what my question was to you when we were talking about the art.
00:25:16
Speaker
So Scott takes it, has a picture of the side art of one of the Navi's shooting a bow and arrow.
00:25:20
Speaker
I can't remember her name.
00:25:22
Speaker
but she's she's shooting it with her right hand it's like it's like nefteri or uh yeah neateri if you go on pin side yeah you can actually see it on pin side it's that thing right behind you vic yeah so look neateri she is shooting with her so i don't know if that was reversed for some reason but okay it should have been on the opposite side of the cabinet or something like it's yeah
00:25:47
Speaker
it's so it's a nerd yeah okay i and i don't know and again if you're really gonna nitpick on something i that's a small thing the only reason why i brought it up to josh was because they made a big deal about being like immersive in the lore yeah like at the very end the match screen doesn't have numbers because navi don't have numbers so you have like
00:26:12
Speaker
the dandelion seeds that go and like settle on you and they don't have like,
00:26:19
Speaker
metal and they don't have straight edges and so even the inserts are creatively uh painted so it doesn't emphasize that okay that's a very small thing but like even the development video it's 18 minutes long and there's a good little chunk dedicated to them about the specific mode where you're playing with your left hand because you get like five times the points or something like that but as soon as you use the right flipper yep you're out of that mode right yeah
00:26:44
Speaker
And so that's when you said that, I was like, that seems like a small oversight.
00:26:48
Speaker
Like, and I get it.
00:26:49
Speaker
Like we're nitpicking here.
00:26:50
Speaker
Like we've knit.
00:26:51
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:26:53
Speaker
Like, yeah, it's, it's, it's not, it's not a deal breaker.
00:26:55
Speaker
It's like, it's a poster.
00:26:57
Speaker
It's a poster.
00:26:58
Speaker
Okay.
00:26:58
Speaker
Exactly.
00:26:59
Speaker
And it could be that just got reversed.
00:27:01
Speaker
because they were like oh it looks better this way yeah it would like i said it's really not a big deal if you're out there and you're like well i'm not buying this game now because she's shooting with the right maybe you need to reconsider your life options of like if that's really what you're like nitpicking about like maybe it's time like okay okay a little bit one thing i will say and this okay this seems to me um
00:27:26
Speaker
Maybe this is a style vibe that I get from different themes though.
00:27:32
Speaker
Okay.
00:27:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:34
Speaker
If you're going to do avatar, uh,
00:27:38
Speaker
there seems to be some sort of intensity in the facial expressions that you would expect.
00:27:45
Speaker
Okay.
00:27:46
Speaker
So if you look at like them shooting or in a battle scene or something like that, and you know, there, there are times where they have a very aggressive hunter like focus in their face.
00:27:59
Speaker
The one challenge that happens with a lot of art that they, they sell for these different things is,
00:28:07
Speaker
sometimes that emotion seems muted.
00:28:12
Speaker
And if I look at the art picture, again, this is nitpicking, but you know what?
00:28:17
Speaker
We have an hour to talk about Avatar, so I'm going to.
00:28:19
Speaker
You're welcome, JJP.
00:28:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:25
Speaker
Hey, you're getting our full constant.
00:28:27
Speaker
Hey, we paid attention.
00:28:28
Speaker
We paid attention.
00:28:29
Speaker
Scott took pages and pages of notes.
00:28:32
Speaker
I did.
00:28:33
Speaker
Trust me.
00:28:35
Speaker
I would have liked to have a little more of an intense action poster.
00:28:41
Speaker
And again, this is probably way overthinking a poster.
00:28:45
Speaker
But it seems, you know, it's like when you see a shirt that has something that's like, oh, this is, it's a family photo of the avatar.
00:28:56
Speaker
Okay.
00:28:56
Speaker
And they're serenely trying to shoot an arrow.
00:29:00
Speaker
That's different than, hey, I'm going into battle and I'm trying to shoot something with that arrow.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:07
Speaker
Okay.
00:29:08
Speaker
And enough about that.
00:29:09
Speaker
Now, that is totally a personal preference and a personal just evaluation.
00:29:16
Speaker
That being said, it is a great visual art presentation of things.
00:29:23
Speaker
Yes.
00:29:23
Speaker
Okay.
00:29:24
Speaker
So I feel like we've talked about art for like a while now.
00:29:27
Speaker
We have.
00:29:27
Speaker
I just want to ask Scott one question.
00:29:30
Speaker
Go for it, man.
00:29:32
Speaker
Only because you mentioned before how you are deep into comic.
00:29:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:36
Speaker
Are you...
00:29:37
Speaker
Would you be upset at me?
00:29:38
Speaker
Cause I said it was comic book style.
Playfield and Mechanical Design of Avatar
00:29:40
Speaker
No, I, I would not because I think, uh, I also have a different interpretation of comic book style.
00:29:47
Speaker
Um, and there, you know, there's another release we are going to talk about later, you know, uh,
00:29:54
Speaker
Stern has their comic book release, which is very comic book-y too.
00:29:58
Speaker
This feels a little different.
00:30:00
Speaker
This feels like comic book style, but also more of an art project.
00:30:07
Speaker
So I would not take any offense to say it's comic book style because there is a certain style that is associated with comic books.
00:30:13
Speaker
Yeah, I like the way you said it.
00:30:15
Speaker
I've got one more thing too.
00:30:17
Speaker
So the thing I like about it is when you have a mobile or mobile game artists, sometimes they overdo the artwork to make up for like the gameplay or like stuff like that.
00:30:29
Speaker
And so I feel like you're treading a really fine line because you don't want it to come off of like, like shadow legends or whatever that game is, or you know what I'm saying?
00:30:37
Speaker
Okay.
00:30:37
Speaker
I have a better one.
00:30:38
Speaker
I have a better one.
00:30:39
Speaker
Okay.
00:30:39
Speaker
Go for it.
00:30:40
Speaker
The art for Atari centipede is amazing.
00:30:44
Speaker
Yes.
00:30:44
Speaker
Okay.
00:30:45
Speaker
The game, not so much, but the art is amazing.
00:30:48
Speaker
Like, and that's how all seventies games were.
00:30:50
Speaker
Like the art was really cool because the game visual representation was not that cool.
00:30:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:57
Speaker
I agree.
00:30:58
Speaker
All right.
00:30:59
Speaker
So next.
00:31:00
Speaker
Okay.
00:31:00
Speaker
When I first saw this, when I saw the spec sheet before they even released avatar and it said had six flippers for like two under play fields, there's like an upper play field.
00:31:11
Speaker
Did I say six flippers?
00:31:13
Speaker
You didn't say that.
00:31:14
Speaker
Okay.
00:31:15
Speaker
I mean, it just has a lot of stuff, right?
00:31:17
Speaker
And like the first thing that came to my mind was haunted house.
00:31:19
Speaker
And I was like, Ooh, like haunted house.
00:31:21
Speaker
Like it's a fun game.
00:31:24
Speaker
No, it's not.
00:31:25
Speaker
It's one of those ones... Anyhow, it is fun.
00:31:29
Speaker
It's a terrible game.
00:31:30
Speaker
No, it's not Bugs Bunny bash.
00:31:33
Speaker
Okay, it's not Bugs Bunny bad, but it's... It's not bad, but it's one of those things like...
00:31:39
Speaker
you thought you could, but you never stopped to think should you.
00:31:45
Speaker
It's the Jeff Goldblum Jurassic Parks.
00:31:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:49
Speaker
And so when I started hearing this, I was like, oh, crap.
00:31:52
Speaker
JJP is throwing as much as they can into the game to make up whether they feel like the price gap, whatever it may be.
00:32:01
Speaker
And I was like, how is this going to turn out?
00:32:02
Speaker
And then when it came out and I saw it, I was like, this is pretty fantastic.
00:32:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:07
Speaker
You guys played hands on.
00:32:09
Speaker
How did it play with all the stuff in it?
00:32:11
Speaker
Okay.
00:32:12
Speaker
You know, I'll let Vic go first.
00:32:15
Speaker
Go ahead.
00:32:16
Speaker
So I always, it's always crazy when you walk up first to a game because me personally, I'm just trying to keep the ball alive.
00:32:25
Speaker
You're looking at everything, looking at like all the amazingness, you're looking at the wire forms and all that.
00:32:28
Speaker
But I was very happy that we were able to at least play for like a good two hours.
00:32:34
Speaker
It played great, but if you asked me, like, what was I doing?
00:32:38
Speaker
I was just trying to keep the ball alive the whole time.
00:32:41
Speaker
And also trying to hit a couple of the unique shots.
00:32:43
Speaker
It was pretty cool.
00:32:44
Speaker
You hit a couple of shots, and then the ball would just randomly pop out, like, on the right orbit.
00:32:50
Speaker
It had its moments.
00:32:50
Speaker
But, again, it's like, you know, I walked up to it, and I was like – and I see how, like, Scott walked up to it as well.
00:32:56
Speaker
Like, Kale walked up to it.
00:32:57
Speaker
And you guys are, like, studying the machine, and I'm like –
00:33:01
Speaker
I'm like, I wouldn't, I'm not even at that level yet.
00:33:03
Speaker
I'm like, I'm just trying to keep the ball alive.
00:33:05
Speaker
And then I was mainly trying to get into the whole crapsuit battle, if I'm going to be honest, because I wanted to see that on the play field.
00:33:11
Speaker
But it was enjoyable.
00:33:13
Speaker
I had a good time with it.
00:33:14
Speaker
It was, did I understand the game in two hours?
00:33:17
Speaker
No.
00:33:18
Speaker
but i have hunger did you hear my game update it scared me my just to give you guys a heads up because godfather after two hours of like a track mode the guns go off so oh that'd be awesome i i think that's the first time i've heard the the uh the duck fart from the uh the updates so uh okay actually i'm i'm gonna put a pin in exactly what you said and i'm gonna come around to it at the end okay vick okay
00:33:48
Speaker
Okay.
00:33:51
Speaker
Going up to it.
00:33:52
Speaker
So six flippers.
00:33:54
Speaker
Now it, it didn't feel like you were adding flippers just to add flippers.
00:33:59
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:01
Speaker
Which is nice.
00:34:01
Speaker
If you look at Josh, do you want me to just kind of go a little bit around the play field a little bit?
00:34:06
Speaker
And if you want,
00:34:08
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:09
Speaker
So, so there are areas of the play field, but it doesn't feel like it's chopped up into, Hey, the, uh, it like linear, like it's a, it's a sharp demarcation between the, the upper right and the upper left and the lower right and the middle, right and middle left.
00:34:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:26
Speaker
it felt like everything organically flew together or flowed together.
00:34:30
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:31
Speaker
Uh, the, there are some, some challenging shots and I'm looking mainly at the left upper side.
00:34:39
Speaker
Uh, there is a, there is a ramp that you can hit with all three flippers.
00:34:46
Speaker
And I don't think you can hit it with the fourth one, the right upper one.
00:34:49
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:50
Speaker
Um,
00:34:52
Speaker
If I'm going to nitpick, I would argue it's a wide standard ramp, whereas a similar concept was done by Elwyn in Avengers Infinity Quest.
00:35:05
Speaker
And it's a little bit more of a shaped ramp.
00:35:08
Speaker
And so if you're hitting it from the right flipper, it has a little bit more of a trajectory that guides it up.
00:35:17
Speaker
And so it, it, it seemed like a slightly smoother shot.
00:35:20
Speaker
I am not going to begrudge Mark on that because Keith has done, you know, so many games that he's used to doing that trajectory.
00:35:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:30
Speaker
The, but it, it, it is a fun game.
00:35:32
Speaker
The, the flow of it is a lot of fun.
00:35:36
Speaker
The, the,
00:35:38
Speaker
The shots I felt were makeable.
00:35:41
Speaker
Now, I did say Joel did mention, he's like, Scott, I actually, there was one shot that I don't think that you did hit.
00:35:48
Speaker
And I, I was not aware that I missed that.
00:35:52
Speaker
I didn't hit that shot.
00:35:54
Speaker
And it's because you are a little overwhelmed.
00:35:56
Speaker
There's a lot of stuff going on.
00:35:59
Speaker
And, uh, and so I need to dial in about if their shots are super hard, super easy, but I felt that you could at least keep the game going right there.
00:36:10
Speaker
Like, yeah, even, even a, even a professional average player, which I am, I could still keep things going.
00:36:18
Speaker
Oh, by the way, the, the best, uh, the best burn I got over the weekend as I was playing a game with Ron, I was playing Ron from slam tilt until, yeah.
00:36:27
Speaker
And I was playing Elton John and I was, I was really flipping just bad, poorly.
00:36:34
Speaker
And he turned to me and he said, Oh, that's right.
00:36:36
Speaker
Josh is the player in your group.
00:36:41
Speaker
I was like, that's, that's accurate and hurts at the same time.
00:36:44
Speaker
But it was really funny.
00:36:46
Speaker
Cause he was trying to give me like all the rules and like, Ron, I, I've never played.
00:36:50
Speaker
It was dialed in.
00:36:50
Speaker
It was like, I've never really played this game.
00:36:52
Speaker
So I'm overwhelmed, but.
00:36:54
Speaker
Now, Scott, do you know what shot you couldn't hit?
00:36:57
Speaker
Like, well, okay.
00:36:58
Speaker
I believe he was saying it was the, the, the left upper area.
00:37:04
Speaker
um on avatar yeah it was on avatar okay we were just talking about uh dialed in there for a second okay yeah no it was on avatar so no so i'm i'm looking at it i'm trying to zoom in it was like the jungle area right well yeah each spot's kind of so the play fields divide into five different areas yeah of the world so the upper left i want to say it's
00:37:28
Speaker
I see a lot of trees.
00:37:29
Speaker
It's not like where the ball locks.
00:37:33
Speaker
So there's like a vertical VUK and there was another, there's like a wire form that connects to another wire form.
00:37:40
Speaker
And, you know, so maybe it was the ramp on the left.
00:37:46
Speaker
I don't know.
00:37:47
Speaker
I can't remember exactly which one because I thought I had actually hit all of them.
00:37:51
Speaker
But either way, I thought that it was,
00:37:55
Speaker
It was fine.
00:37:56
Speaker
It was fun.
00:37:56
Speaker
There wasn't a shot that I felt that I was completely getting blocked from.
00:38:00
Speaker
So it could have been that I wasn't actively trying to shoot that shot.
00:38:05
Speaker
Now, again, depending on how your play style is, I don't know.
00:38:08
Speaker
I mean, again, I would consider myself average beginner average.
00:38:12
Speaker
I did notice.
00:38:14
Speaker
And again, I was watching all of you guys play.
00:38:16
Speaker
Me personally, I had like a 25 minute game.
00:38:21
Speaker
And I was mind-blown by having that long of a game.
00:38:24
Speaker
And I'm like, does Jersey Jack have these set up in a way to have the game go longer?
00:38:30
Speaker
What did you think, Scott?
00:38:31
Speaker
Were you playing longer than you normally played?
00:38:34
Speaker
For a first-time game, maybe.
00:38:36
Speaker
And they could have had him set up a little bit more of...
00:38:41
Speaker
I don't want to say easier, but more accessible just because they were trying to get us to experience the game flow.
00:38:47
Speaker
So getting into it now, we did talk about they have two lower play fields in this, which I think is the first time two lower play fields have been done.
00:38:57
Speaker
I think so as well.
00:38:59
Speaker
This was nice, though, because they were OK.
00:39:02
Speaker
There are going to be some people that criticize the first play field.
00:39:06
Speaker
Because the first play field you pop down and the pop bumper goes off.
00:39:10
Speaker
However, I did notice sometimes the pop bumper wasn't actively activating.
00:39:15
Speaker
And so I didn't know, was I supposed to be doing the pop bumper or so?
00:39:21
Speaker
I think that's, that's probably more of an early code thing that they're going to fix.
00:39:25
Speaker
Probably just adjust the switch on the pop bumper.
00:39:27
Speaker
So it's either that or legit.
00:39:29
Speaker
It could just be an early code because there was a little bit of a delay.
00:39:32
Speaker
you, you change the targets that the pop bumper is trying to hit with the flippers.
00:39:38
Speaker
Okay.
00:39:39
Speaker
And then it drops down and activates the second lower play field, which is the, it's the mini play field with the two flippers, the crabs and that's the crab suit that you're fighting.
00:39:53
Speaker
So wait, you're telling me there's two play fields down the crab suit.
00:39:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:56
Speaker
No, no,
00:39:58
Speaker
There's a play field above it.
00:40:00
Speaker
That is just like one.
00:40:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:02
Speaker
The pop bumper one.
00:40:03
Speaker
And then you go down to the mech suit one, the crab.
00:40:06
Speaker
You have to hit enough targets to get to crab.
00:40:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:10
Speaker
And the crab suit one, it is a, it is a three quarter ball.
00:40:14
Speaker
So people wondering about, uh, the mini, the mini play fields.
00:40:19
Speaker
So my experience before was like Shrek where it has like a, uh,
00:40:23
Speaker
a half inch ball and it felt kind of unfulfilling just because you're flipping this ball and it's flying around.
00:40:31
Speaker
Uh, the nice thing about this that made it interesting is the lower play field is rotated maybe about 20 degrees or so.
00:40:40
Speaker
Okay.
00:40:41
Speaker
And so you're not shooting straight up and down.
00:40:43
Speaker
So it doesn't just feel like it feels challenging, but not too challenging.
00:40:49
Speaker
Gotcha.
00:40:49
Speaker
So you're still able, you're still supposed to hit some hit.
00:40:52
Speaker
First off, you're supposed to hit the targets.
00:40:55
Speaker
It's like three to five.
00:40:57
Speaker
Three targets.
00:40:58
Speaker
Yeah, three targets that are aligned.
00:41:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:01
Speaker
And then the second time you go down there, it's harder because you have to hit the orbits.
00:41:05
Speaker
But it was fun.
00:41:07
Speaker
It didn't feel like I was a lot of lower play fields.
00:41:10
Speaker
You get there and you're just like, okay, just get this over with so I can get back up.
00:41:13
Speaker
Yeah, so luckily, it's like a timed mode for Crab Suit.
00:41:19
Speaker
You're only in there for the first time for, I think it's like 10 seconds.
00:41:23
Speaker
So you're kind of like, am I just going to be here all day?
00:41:25
Speaker
But then your flippers kind of just die if you run out of time.
00:41:28
Speaker
Gotcha.
00:41:28
Speaker
Gotcha.
00:41:29
Speaker
Well, and also speaking of flipping out pinball, if you go to their Facebook, Zach did actually take a picture in his hand, the six balls, and then the little one that goes in this play field.
00:41:40
Speaker
It's actually not too much smaller.
00:41:42
Speaker
I kind of had to be like.
00:41:43
Speaker
Well, so the standard balls are one-inch balls.
00:41:46
Speaker
Okay.
00:41:47
Speaker
So it's a three quarter inch.
00:41:48
Speaker
So it's just slightly smaller.
00:41:49
Speaker
So it, but it felt natural too, right?
00:41:51
Speaker
Like it didn't feel like you were like that, that Stewie pinball.
00:41:54
Speaker
You feel like you're slapping a BB around.
00:41:57
Speaker
Like it's not it.
00:41:58
Speaker
You know what?
00:41:59
Speaker
It kind of felt it.
00:42:00
Speaker
I think it, um,
00:42:02
Speaker
I think it felt the environment better because it was like forced perspective.
00:42:09
Speaker
It almost felt like the lower play field was farther away.
00:42:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I think, either they mentioned it or it's in the trailer where they said like, that bowl is smaller on purpose to give you that visual look of it being like underwater.
00:42:23
Speaker
It also allows them to do more with the play field because if it's a standard size ball,
00:42:29
Speaker
they're smaller things that you can do with the flippers.
00:42:35
Speaker
You would have to have something a lot bigger, such as like the lower play field in ACDC, which isn't really that fun.
00:42:43
Speaker
It's cool looking, but it's not that fun.
00:42:46
Speaker
Now in ACDC, I'm not 100% sure, but I feel like you're constantly in there until like you drain.
00:42:53
Speaker
Yeah, it's, yeah.
00:42:55
Speaker
Now, real quick, because Scott mentioned about the pop bumper, you're right.
00:43:00
Speaker
Sometimes the bowl would just sit.
00:43:02
Speaker
And I felt like the pop bumper was cool because you should... I took the aspect of you should kind of nudge, but...
00:43:07
Speaker
now that i think of it maybe they should probably incorporate like the left flipper would actually activate the pop and then your right would change the target when you first get in there you don't realize that you have control of the target because i was trying to call out say that now in fairness it does say that on the other side like change the targets like change the target with the flipper so it that that would not be a
00:43:31
Speaker
a long-term confusion.
00:43:33
Speaker
That's like the first time you go down there.
00:43:34
Speaker
Like, what am I doing?
00:43:35
Speaker
Considering that the first time you played, so there were four games down there.
00:43:39
Speaker
The first time you played on the third, third one over and I played on the second one over.
00:43:45
Speaker
And so if they, if the ball both sat down there for a while, that tells me it's a code issue because if it were a switch issue, then, then only one of us would have experienced that.
00:43:54
Speaker
so gameplay was, was pretty fun.
00:43:56
Speaker
It sounds like it's a, did any of it feel unnatural?
00:43:59
Speaker
Cause like there's some games you play and you just like, things aren't feeling like they're in the right spot.
00:44:03
Speaker
Did this all feel like it flowed well and the shots were makeable and whatnot?
00:44:09
Speaker
I, I feel that this is, and it could be that the flippers are much better on this machine.
00:44:19
Speaker
Because when I played Elton, the first time I played Elton John was this weekend too, where the flippers felt snappy.
00:44:27
Speaker
They felt what I'm used to on a standard stern, really, or a Williams, right?
00:44:34
Speaker
So I have a lot of the CGC remakes.
00:44:38
Speaker
The flippers have a very crisp feel.
00:44:43
Speaker
And Elton John felt that way.
00:44:44
Speaker
Actually, Elton John almost felt like the flippers were a little juiced, which they could have been.
00:44:49
Speaker
I was playing it at Interium here.
00:44:54
Speaker
the flippers felt really snappy, which feels like an upgrade from what, like Guns N' Roses feels a little lag on the flippers.
00:45:05
Speaker
In my playing experience, Wizard of Oz is the same way.
00:45:09
Speaker
They don't have that really crisp flip, but this felt very similar to that.
00:45:15
Speaker
So with that, this felt like the most standard release
00:45:20
Speaker
that would be consistent with other high end manufacturers.
00:45:24
Speaker
And I liked the layout.
00:45:26
Speaker
I thought it was a lot of fun.
00:45:27
Speaker
The shots were approachable, the shots were reachable and it felt like the flippers were doing what I wanted them to do.
00:45:35
Speaker
What are your thoughts, Vic?
00:45:37
Speaker
I, uh, so again, for me, for Godfather was the first time I ever experienced a JJP.
00:45:41
Speaker
So from my understanding and research, I believe Godfather is like when the new flippers came out for JJP.
00:45:49
Speaker
Um,
00:45:50
Speaker
They felt great.
00:45:51
Speaker
I don't really want to compare it to Godfather.
00:45:53
Speaker
I feel like it was much... I would say the word snappier.
00:45:55
Speaker
I don't want to copy you, but it felt good.
00:45:59
Speaker
That's the way it felt.
00:46:00
Speaker
It's like the flippers did what I expect them to do on other manufacturers.
00:46:04
Speaker
Right.
00:46:04
Speaker
Now, the one mech I was concerned about because it's kind of like in Godfather, but the...
00:46:09
Speaker
the droid slingshot um sometimes when yeah so you hit the left the far left ramp that will set you up on that top left flipper if you don't hit it it kind of just kind of travels down along the slingshot yeah and i visually i was like oh man this looks like a straight down the middle but it actually wouldn't do that i was actually surprised it wasn't but yeah
00:46:33
Speaker
The slingshot off the droid mech was very cool.
00:46:36
Speaker
I was really trying to focus on the shrimp.
00:46:41
Speaker
I was trying to see how that was.
00:46:43
Speaker
The dive ramp was pretty cool.
00:46:45
Speaker
And I'm a fan of the call out.
00:46:47
Speaker
When the girl said dive, I was like, oh, I got to go.
00:46:52
Speaker
The one shot that I feel was difficult for me personally was the eclipse shot.
00:46:58
Speaker
I don't know why.
00:46:59
Speaker
That right ramp, it was just a challenge.
00:47:01
Speaker
And it's a jump ramp that goes into a spinner, right?
00:47:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:05
Speaker
However, well, okay.
00:47:08
Speaker
It is... I'm going to cut you off, Scott, real quick.
00:47:11
Speaker
So it's actually funny when we were looking at the actual mech in hand on the factory.
00:47:16
Speaker
In the pictures and in the trailer video, that spinner, it looks like it's such a far shot.
00:47:23
Speaker
And it looks like it travels, but it's actually pretty close to the end of the ramp.
00:47:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:28
Speaker
Okay.
00:47:29
Speaker
But yeah, it's a ramp to a spinner and then it brings it down to the right orbit.
00:47:34
Speaker
The challenge with the eclipse shot.
00:47:35
Speaker
And so there is a mode that is pretty fun.
00:47:39
Speaker
It's the eclipse mode where you start, you know, you start the eclipse and it's a, it's a really cool effect because the play field kind of dims and starts going from the right side to the left side.
00:47:53
Speaker
And you are building and building this jackpot and,
00:47:58
Speaker
And then the eclipse shot is you have built.
00:48:01
Speaker
So there was one time where I, I got like $130 million in that mode.
00:48:07
Speaker
Okay.
00:48:08
Speaker
Or not dollars, but no currency, no currency.
00:48:11
Speaker
I got 130 million points.
00:48:14
Speaker
And if I had hit the eclipse shot, I would have got double all of that.
00:48:20
Speaker
And there is, you know, it's a pressure shot.
00:48:23
Speaker
You feel like, oh, you know, so, so it's hitting a shot under pressure that, that certainly was hard.
00:48:28
Speaker
I don't know if that played into it, but that definitely, uh, yeah, that, that was hard to hit at the right moment, but the, uh,
00:48:37
Speaker
We'll get into the lights, but that is, that is, well, actually let's just get into it now.
00:48:42
Speaker
That was a really cool effect as, as it was going across.
00:48:47
Speaker
Cause you had like the really bright lights.
00:48:49
Speaker
And then when the eclipse came, it really fit the mood.
00:48:53
Speaker
Yeah, I loved it.
00:48:54
Speaker
And when we were talking to like the whole team and all that, you don't really notice it off the bat on the first game.
00:49:00
Speaker
But as like the eclipse is leaving, the left side of the play field is starting to like lighten up.
00:49:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's like I don't think you could get it good on a camera.
00:49:09
Speaker
But in person, it was like, no, mind blowing.
00:49:12
Speaker
Okay, that's actually one of the problems with this game is trying to find a good way of capturing it on camera so you can see how it plays.
00:49:26
Speaker
You're telling me Rocky Mountain Pinball Show didn't do a great job this weekend?
00:49:30
Speaker
No, no, they didn't.
00:49:31
Speaker
It was...
00:49:33
Speaker
And that's the problem, right?
00:49:35
Speaker
When you get these games in the wild, it's hard to capture how they feel in person.
00:49:40
Speaker
And, okay, we have seen this before.
00:49:43
Speaker
We have seen this before when people talk about the art of games.
00:49:47
Speaker
And, you know, we saw it with John Wick.
00:49:50
Speaker
We saw all this kind of stuff, and people are like,
00:49:52
Speaker
It looks really good in person, like the foil and the art show and everything like that.
00:49:58
Speaker
But it's hard to capture that in a stream as a feature.
00:50:04
Speaker
But it really is an impressive, immersive element is getting the lights out.
00:50:11
Speaker
And the really, they, they did show some, you know, a prototype.
00:50:16
Speaker
They haven't finalized the play field for the collector's edition.
00:50:19
Speaker
That's going to have the 3d, but go and look at their video.
00:50:22
Speaker
Cause their video shows examples of the bioluminescent printing and it looks really cool in person.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah, they had like the two flashlights going on it.
00:50:32
Speaker
I'm like, whoa.
00:50:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:34
Speaker
And now, at interior, I mean, you can see some.
00:50:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:40
Speaker
So you've got three different UV inks in this.
00:50:44
Speaker
The red looks really cool.
00:50:46
Speaker
Can you really tell?
00:50:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:49
Speaker
He did it on the side art blade with the flame.
00:50:53
Speaker
It was insane.
00:50:55
Speaker
I was like, whoa.
00:50:56
Speaker
When you think red UV, that was red.
00:50:59
Speaker
It looked like a cut LCD trail that was illuminated from underneath.
00:51:06
Speaker
That's what it looked like.
00:51:08
Speaker
Kind of like Tron, like the bike trails off of Tron kind of thing?
00:51:12
Speaker
Okay, even just think of like a lightsaber, like a thin, wiggly lightsaber.
00:51:22
Speaker
I know it was really glowing impressively.
00:51:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:26
Speaker
The one thing I, because we're talking about the lighting on it, the UV on this was amazing.
00:51:31
Speaker
The only thing I can compare to UV is Stranger Things.
00:51:35
Speaker
And I only play that on location.
00:51:36
Speaker
And I don't know exactly how Stranger Things is set up.
00:51:39
Speaker
But when Stranger Things goes into UV, it blinds me.
00:51:43
Speaker
Like I can't see anything, but the UV on this, it's, they did it very clean.
00:51:48
Speaker
Cause JJP is good with that, with their like spotlights that they have.
00:51:52
Speaker
You don't like, it's not blind.
00:51:54
Speaker
You doesn't hurt your eyes.
00:51:55
Speaker
And when you see the flippers like glowing, it was mind blowing.
00:51:59
Speaker
It was cool.
00:52:00
Speaker
And it did visually.
00:52:02
Speaker
Then this was a happy accident.
00:52:03
Speaker
The flippers looked like they changed colors when they did the, and they, they, that wasn't even intentional.
00:52:10
Speaker
They, they turned it on like, Oh, that,
00:52:12
Speaker
That wasn't supposed to happen, but it looks really cool.
00:52:15
Speaker
I mean, we meant to do that.
00:52:16
Speaker
Well, they were they were up front that it was like a happy accident.
00:52:21
Speaker
But yeah, I was just mentioning also the under play fields.
00:52:25
Speaker
They are well illuminated.
00:52:28
Speaker
So a lot of under play fields, it's hard to see anything that's going on in there, but they have so much illumination on the lower play fields.
00:52:36
Speaker
So you could see so well underneath that.
00:52:40
Speaker
I was impressed by that.
00:52:43
Speaker
Maybe I'm the only one that was like, it looked really cool.
00:52:46
Speaker
No, I like the health bar on the crapsuit.
00:52:50
Speaker
It just visually gave you that look of like, wow, you're deep underwater and it would just glow.
00:52:57
Speaker
My only gripe with the crapsuit model is that it has like the two eyes.
00:53:02
Speaker
It looks like cars.
00:53:04
Speaker
Like a Cars character?
00:53:05
Speaker
I don't know what that's supposed to be.
00:53:07
Speaker
Like on top of the crapsuit, right?
00:53:09
Speaker
Maybe that's what the Avatar crapsuit looks like, though.
00:53:12
Speaker
Have you looked at that?
00:53:13
Speaker
Yeah, because someone pointed this out, too.
00:53:14
Speaker
They sent us a picture.
00:53:15
Speaker
Like, why is this weird smiley face on top of the crapsuit?
00:53:19
Speaker
I've seen it.
00:53:21
Speaker
I'm like, it looks like the... I looked at it as like, you know, because I have a three-year-old daughter, I'd look at it as like the cars, you know, like Disney cars with the eyes.
00:53:30
Speaker
That's like the only thing I didn't... I just visually would see that.
00:53:33
Speaker
But the lighting on it and what I really liked...
00:53:37
Speaker
was jjp did a good job that when you are in that bottom play field the lighting on the table it doesn't turn off but at least it's like you know like hey your eyes have to go to the lower play field now yeah right let's see i did take some pictures of that crab suit so let me see if i can get some good okay while you're looking that up the only other couple questions i have so custom speech by stephen lang he's a colonel quarry rich
00:54:07
Speaker
something like that okay the the the mech suit that stabby stabs on the playfield he's in that in the movie so uh how was the call outs like obviously you guys kind of alluded to like the dive earlier but like overall how like how is the sound in the call outs is it immersive like how is it okay i don't really see the smiley face on the crab guy like he looks standard
00:54:30
Speaker
I just see two eyes.
00:54:32
Speaker
White eyes and then two dots for the eyeballs, like the irises.
00:54:38
Speaker
But yes, as far as the quads, I've never seen Avatar.
00:54:42
Speaker
So take that.
00:54:44
Speaker
I don't think there was enough of the gentlemen that you said.
00:54:48
Speaker
Okay.
00:54:49
Speaker
I don't think there was enough of them.
00:54:52
Speaker
This is early code, so there might be more coming.
00:54:54
Speaker
This is really early, yeah.
00:54:55
Speaker
Now, they did say they got quotes from the movie from all the characters they wanted.
00:55:03
Speaker
They didn't list them all off, but they said from all they wanted, okay?
00:55:06
Speaker
So those will be incorporated.
00:55:08
Speaker
This isn't a... And that was one big drawback with Pirates of the Caribbean, right?
00:55:13
Speaker
Is that, oh, you get a lot of sea scenes that don't have... Yeah, you get their pictures, and that's about it.
00:55:20
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:55:22
Speaker
And so, so they had that and there were like 400 custom line, like lines of call out.
00:55:31
Speaker
They also were able to get, so they had a hundred percent access.
00:55:36
Speaker
So this is all of the assets.
00:55:38
Speaker
So I guess let's transition to assets.
00:55:40
Speaker
They had a hundred percent access to all CGI stuff, which a lot of stuff was CGI.
00:55:48
Speaker
So they do have tons of stuff, and the LCD screen is well incorporated in this game.
Market Position and Collector Appeal of Avatar
00:55:58
Speaker
It is probably the... It's the best part of the... If you want to be thematically immersed in this, the LCD screen is...
00:56:08
Speaker
JJP does it the best, 100%.
00:56:11
Speaker
I thought you were gonna say that to date, I think it's the best.
00:56:15
Speaker
I think it's just like everything that's on that screen, the way they have it all laid out, I think it's the best they've ever done.
00:56:21
Speaker
It's the best of JJP so far, absolutely.
00:56:24
Speaker
And the movie clip integration, and this has always been the challenge, right?
00:56:29
Speaker
How do you incorporate movie assets in when you're not taking away from the gameplay?
00:56:38
Speaker
And I'm looking at you monsters when grandpa walks over to the book and flips and you're just dying the fifth time it's happened.
00:56:45
Speaker
It's just so painful.
00:56:49
Speaker
But no, this is great because it just feels like it naturally just flows and the stuff up there gives everybody who's watching you something to see.
00:56:59
Speaker
Yeah, it was visually, it was amazing.
00:57:03
Speaker
I was also trying to see like if there's much repetition videos.
00:57:08
Speaker
Like, you know, inside modes, like on Godfather is like, you know, you get like two or three scenes, not much repetition videos.
00:57:14
Speaker
I mean, you get your standard ball lock, you know, ball lock one animations.
00:57:18
Speaker
But again, the, the, the LCD, the, my biggest, I love the UI that like, I, I honestly think that if the UI didn't look the way it did, I think it would have done damage to the game, but the UI is just, it's beautiful.
00:57:34
Speaker
It's like a chef kiss on that.
00:57:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:38
Speaker
So overall, they've done 10 games now.
00:57:42
Speaker
How do you feel about Atar and where does it land in their 10 games?
00:57:45
Speaker
Is it towards the top?
00:57:46
Speaker
Is it more the middle or is it the bottom?
00:57:49
Speaker
Vic, you owns, I have Wizard of Oz, which is the earliest JJP.
00:57:55
Speaker
That's actually the only one that I have right now.
00:57:59
Speaker
But you have at least two and you played the other ones too.
00:58:03
Speaker
So what is your thought?
00:58:06
Speaker
It's like, I want to say it's like, yeah, it's the best thing.
00:58:11
Speaker
It's just, for me, the theme, it's not a theme for me.
00:58:16
Speaker
As far as comparing it to other games, though, I would rate it.
00:58:23
Speaker
You don't want to say the word, it's number one.
00:58:26
Speaker
But I would probably say, I'm trying to keep everything in mind, though.
00:58:32
Speaker
Animations, callouts, the gameplay, and all that.
00:58:36
Speaker
I think it's top, dude.
00:58:38
Speaker
I would rate it as like a one to two.
00:58:40
Speaker
Okay.
00:58:42
Speaker
It's number one.
00:58:43
Speaker
I'll tell you why.
00:58:45
Speaker
People will now people got pushed back.
00:58:47
Speaker
People push back other other content creators that I was talking to push back and they're like, what?
00:58:52
Speaker
No, have you played Elton John?
00:58:53
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, I have played Elton John and I owned Elton John when it was called Spider-Man.
00:59:00
Speaker
Um, because I don't know when I, when it was Star Trek.
00:59:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:04
Speaker
Okay.
00:59:05
Speaker
And by the way, that's Elton John is a fun game.
00:59:08
Speaker
Okay.
00:59:09
Speaker
I know you have Elton John to this.
00:59:12
Speaker
Elton John felt like a, a blinged up version of,
00:59:17
Speaker
Of an older game.
00:59:18
Speaker
That's what it felt like.
00:59:19
Speaker
It's still really cool, really pretty.
00:59:22
Speaker
It is very Steve Ritchie, but it also just felt like it was nothing new that I saw with Elton John.
00:59:30
Speaker
Okay.
00:59:32
Speaker
It felt like it felt like a, Hey, this is a bigger budget version of what he has done before.
00:59:38
Speaker
Okay.
00:59:39
Speaker
It's not like it's bad.
00:59:41
Speaker
It's just saying I have already seen it.
00:59:43
Speaker
So this is recency bias, right?
00:59:45
Speaker
I owned a similar game.
00:59:47
Speaker
And Led Zeppelin to you on that as well.
00:59:49
Speaker
I own, I own, I still own it.
00:59:52
Speaker
So, and if you look at dialed in, okay, dialed in,
00:59:56
Speaker
is definitely a Pat Lawler theme.
00:59:59
Speaker
Okay.
01:00:00
Speaker
It is a Pat Lawler game.
01:00:02
Speaker
It feels like a newer version of a nineties game.
01:00:05
Speaker
It feels like, you know, the stuff he did in the nineties, still good, but a, a Jersey Jack style on an older, um, a Jersey Jack presentation on an older style game.
01:00:19
Speaker
OK, and you could and you could even argue the same.
01:00:22
Speaker
So Toy Story, Toy Story.
01:00:25
Speaker
There's a lot of Pat Lawler and Toy Story and Toy Story felt like a like Woody shoot out at at Paradise Pier in Disneyland.
01:00:38
Speaker
You know, it felt like it's in the world of Disney now.
01:00:42
Speaker
and it's in the world of Toy Story, but it still just felt like, hey, you're playing a game that's in the world of Toy Story.
01:00:50
Speaker
It's fine.
01:00:51
Speaker
But I played Toy Story, and I played Elton John, and I thought, you know what?
01:00:57
Speaker
And I played Dialed In, I got more time on it, and I felt like these are games that I have felt like I've played before.
01:01:04
Speaker
They're still good, but I felt like I've played them before.
01:01:07
Speaker
Avatar was the first JJP where I felt it didn't
01:01:11
Speaker
brought something new.
01:01:12
Speaker
It brought a fresh approach.
01:01:15
Speaker
It brought thematic immersion that didn't feel like a cereal box or a Walmart or a lunch box, which I kind of felt Toy Story felt like that.
01:01:27
Speaker
And Elton John, again, I love the theme.
01:01:29
Speaker
I love the music.
01:01:30
Speaker
I, the layout is something that I'm quite used to.
01:01:32
Speaker
I knew where all the shots were that.
01:01:34
Speaker
So
01:01:35
Speaker
And considering this has the best flippers, it has the best theme immersion.
01:01:40
Speaker
It has the best light show by far.
01:01:44
Speaker
And by the way, we're an hour into this and we haven't even talked about the topper on the CE.
01:01:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:01:50
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:01:52
Speaker
Okay.
01:01:53
Speaker
So, so, and that shows you just how much is in this game.
01:01:57
Speaker
So that's why I rate this as number one.
01:02:00
Speaker
I'm, I'm still going to come back to what you said before, because in my closing arguments, we are going to talk about who this game is for.
01:02:08
Speaker
Okay.
01:02:10
Speaker
So, so that, that's why I rank this as their best game so far.
01:02:14
Speaker
And I even told them that I told Candace, I told Brett this, I was like,
01:02:18
Speaker
This is your most complete game that you have done to date.
01:02:23
Speaker
And Kate, you could argue that Guns N' Roses would fit into that category.
01:02:29
Speaker
And I totally agree.
01:02:31
Speaker
Immersion, light show, music, music.
01:02:35
Speaker
uh, what brings guns and roses down for me is the, the flippers just don't feel, um, flippy enough.
01:02:44
Speaker
They don't feel snappy.
01:02:46
Speaker
And I think that's just an evolution on JJP, which is why the new version of the flippers are exactly what I expect across different genres of game.
01:02:56
Speaker
I don't have to feel like, Oh, these are JJP flippers.
01:02:59
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:00
Speaker
Okay.
01:03:01
Speaker
So I'm going to get my perspective.
01:03:02
Speaker
I did not play the game.
01:03:03
Speaker
Okay.
01:03:04
Speaker
Um,
01:03:05
Speaker
but i have played every other jjp game except for godfather is actually the only game i've never played by jjp okay um i'm gonna i'm not running out to tell you to buy this game like you still should play it you should still may form an opinion for yourself but i want to lean towards what vic and scott are saying i think this is at their top end and the reason i'm saying that is i feel like we're going into a new direction like
01:03:32
Speaker
when I think of JJP, they've turned the page a couple of times, right?
01:03:35
Speaker
Like the first page was obviously wizard of Oz and Hobbit.
01:03:38
Speaker
And those were, were like, was it Ross is good and Hobbit was decent.
01:03:43
Speaker
And it was like, they brought in Pat Lawler and it brought something in.
01:03:46
Speaker
with dialed in that was just, was different.
01:03:50
Speaker
And now that I play it after all these other games have come out, it's still a good game, but it definitely felt lacking a little bit.
01:03:57
Speaker
Because I say that because then Pirates came out and Eric kind of blew us all away.
01:04:00
Speaker
There was so much innovation in Pirates.
01:04:03
Speaker
And I still love that little play, the little rocking, you know, pirate play field.
01:04:08
Speaker
And people love it too.
01:04:10
Speaker
Obviously, it's because there's not enough made.
01:04:12
Speaker
You can go with all your theories.
01:04:15
Speaker
And obviously, Pirates is still the highest, the one you're going to pay the most money for.
01:04:20
Speaker
I just looked for one, like $19,000, and it's the only one on Pinside.
01:04:24
Speaker
Oh, it's come down.
01:04:24
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:25
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:25
Speaker
So, I mean, yeah, it is what it is.
01:04:28
Speaker
But then we get into Willy Wonka, and that was kind of underwhelming for me.
01:04:31
Speaker
And the gameplay is all right, but it's just there.
01:04:33
Speaker
And Guns N' Roses is a really great experience.
01:04:37
Speaker
But it just, there's something missing there for me.
01:04:40
Speaker
Like, it's really, like, I enjoy the gameplay.
01:04:42
Speaker
I mean, it's the code.
01:04:43
Speaker
I can't just pinpoint it, but I love the immersion.
01:04:45
Speaker
I love the way that they did Guns N' Roses.
01:04:48
Speaker
But the interesting part to me, too, is I don't know if it's because Guns N' Roses is one of their best-selling games of all time.
01:04:54
Speaker
It is their best-selling.
01:04:55
Speaker
It is, yes.
01:04:56
Speaker
Jack did confirm that on our last show, or the last time we interviewed him.
01:05:00
Speaker
Guns N' Roses is the cheapest game you can buy right now on the used market.
01:05:05
Speaker
Okay.
01:05:05
Speaker
That's a volume thing though.
01:05:07
Speaker
It's gotta be a volume.
01:05:08
Speaker
They have the most supply of those games.
01:05:11
Speaker
So like 5,500 is, is what you can buy a Guns N' Roses SE right now on pin side.
01:05:17
Speaker
Okay.
01:05:18
Speaker
Which is interesting because SE was, is like the super limited version.
01:05:23
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:23
Speaker
Like Jack did tell us that they stopped making them because they basically weren't selling much of them because people didn't want them.
01:05:30
Speaker
But yeah.
01:05:31
Speaker
But then with Toy Story, it felt like we took a step back.
01:05:33
Speaker
We got all this immersion and everything from Guns N' Roses.
01:05:36
Speaker
And Toy Story 4 just... I played it, and it's an enjoyable game.
01:05:39
Speaker
The problem is... And this is what I've always said for at least since Guns N' Roses.
01:05:44
Speaker
The problem is people aren't seeing the value for what you get in the game.
01:05:49
Speaker
And Toy Story was definitely that stumbling block, right?
01:05:51
Speaker
It also had the price jump, too.
01:05:54
Speaker
It had the price jump.
01:05:56
Speaker
And that was Pat Lawler's kind of like swan song.
01:05:58
Speaker
And it just...
01:06:00
Speaker
Whatever it was, it is what it is, right?
01:06:01
Speaker
And then Godfather came out, and it was really cool because it was like you could see they were trying to go a new direction.
01:06:06
Speaker
But when Elton John came out, like I get what you're saying, Scott.
01:06:09
Speaker
Like it's – we've seen this just – it's a – how did Robert Downey Jr. put it?
01:06:15
Speaker
It's the same dancer but different leggings, right?
01:06:18
Speaker
That's the way he described comic book movies coming out.
01:06:22
Speaker
But the thing with Elton John was is there was something different about it.
01:06:25
Speaker
And I think it's, maybe it's the light show, maybe it's kind of the interaction with the mechs.
01:06:29
Speaker
It just, it felt like they were going more.
01:06:32
Speaker
And Avatar, it feels like it's a definite jump from what they've done in the past to, to,
01:06:41
Speaker
close that gap between people saying, okay, is this what's in the game worth the value for what they're asking?
01:06:47
Speaker
And I feel like they're really closing that gap of we're trying to innovate in new areas to say, hey, guys, we're still the...
01:06:59
Speaker
How did Jack put it?
01:07:00
Speaker
The Corvette or the Lamborghini?
01:07:02
Speaker
The Ferrari.
01:07:03
Speaker
The Ferrari pinball.
01:07:04
Speaker
We're still the Ferrari pinball.
01:07:05
Speaker
And they are doing stuff stylistically that's different that does make it look a lot better.
01:07:11
Speaker
This avatar to me, from the outside looking in, this is the first time I'm like, yes, this is a game that I say you're still getting the most bang for your buck, essentially.
01:07:23
Speaker
The funny part about Elton John, though, too, as I was looking it up, Elton John is their second highest
01:07:29
Speaker
like value it's still retaining value i had someone message me today i'm like i've been kind of waiting for elton john because i want the game but i want to pay the price and uh they're not going down in price right so that tells me one of two things they've hit a stride of like they're they're they're outputting the right amount of games versus what the demand is right like guns and roses shows that like if you have way too many games out in the wild obviously it's going to bring that value down because then everyone can buy one
01:07:55
Speaker
But I think they're on the right trajectory here.
01:07:58
Speaker
I think they're finally getting their footing.
01:08:00
Speaker
I don't know if it's that transition from where Toy Story was.
01:08:03
Speaker
But overall, whatever you're doing, JJP, this makes me intrigued just going forward if Harry Potter really is one of the licenses you guys hold.
01:08:12
Speaker
I can't wait to see how you do that because let's be honest, I just went through all the lists of JJP.
01:08:20
Speaker
There's no one complaint I could give you is there's no Mac that I feel like has reinvent not reinvented pinball, but there's it's not unique, right?
01:08:29
Speaker
I look at other manufacturers and I feel like I'm just going to point out the Sentinel head, like the Sentinel head.
01:08:35
Speaker
It's, it's a new take on an old thing.
01:08:37
Speaker
Right.
01:08:37
Speaker
But it feels fresh.
01:08:39
Speaker
Whereas like when I look at avatar, I don't see a mech that stands out to me.
01:08:43
Speaker
There's,
01:08:44
Speaker
You've got a lot of toys.
01:08:45
Speaker
You've got the robot with the stabbity stab.
01:08:48
Speaker
You've got the crab suit multiball with the grumpy smiley face.
01:08:53
Speaker
But I don't see an interactive toy.
01:08:55
Speaker
And honestly, looking back across all JJP stuff, since Pirates, I don't feel like there is a mech that interacts with the ball that is unique and different than I can find from any other manufacturer.
01:09:07
Speaker
So that's my thoughts on Avatar.
01:09:11
Speaker
And so, yes, it's top towards the top of this.
01:09:13
Speaker
I would put Avatar up there with.
01:09:15
Speaker
Granted, I haven't played this yet, but like Elton John's definitely on top of my list.
01:09:19
Speaker
It's a great game.
01:09:21
Speaker
Guns and Roses is still a great game.
01:09:23
Speaker
Pirates is still a great game.
01:09:25
Speaker
I think this contends and is up there with them.
01:09:28
Speaker
Dialed in.
01:09:29
Speaker
uh i i guess i'm biased i enjoy hobbit i know it doesn't shoot the best there's an immersion there but i feel like they kind of lost they kind of lost going forward a little bit and then they gained it back so anyhow i've talked long enough for a man that has not played avatar to rate it as high as i have so i've always said guns and roses is the most immersive experience in pinball okay
01:09:54
Speaker
Probably still is probably still is.
01:09:57
Speaker
But when you have, you have to have everything come together to bring it to the next level.
01:10:03
Speaker
So you're talking theme immersion is one thing you're talking play field layout.
01:10:10
Speaker
Another you're talking about snappy flippers.
01:10:14
Speaker
That's another.
01:10:15
Speaker
So all of these things have been focused on at some point in,
01:10:21
Speaker
in all the previous nine games, this one feels like, you know, when you're generating a character in a game, right?
01:10:29
Speaker
This one feels like they're all another duck, just quick.
01:10:34
Speaker
They all kind of leveled up to a point where I don't see any obvious deficiencies.
01:10:42
Speaker
So that's why this is the best version of what Jersey Jack is putting out, okay?
01:10:49
Speaker
I totally understand what you're coming from with the mech.
01:10:53
Speaker
And there are some people who that is a huge deal for them.
01:10:57
Speaker
Having like the mech that interacts with the ball or chucks it, you know, this, this is the, the catapult going into Jackie or, you know, stuff like that.
01:11:06
Speaker
Frankenstein grabbing the ball and throwing it at you.
01:11:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:10
Speaker
Or the Jurassic park head thing that, you know, the dinosaur that grab the eats the ball.
01:11:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:17
Speaker
So there are some people who that's a huge deal for.
01:11:20
Speaker
I didn't notice that being missing in this game.
01:11:25
Speaker
So if that's your thing, then that is a line on your, on your ranking list that you could argue is not as high as other ones.
01:11:33
Speaker
But if you look, if I look at my complete package, what I'm really interested in, I didn't care.
01:11:41
Speaker
I didn't care that it wasn't there.
01:11:45
Speaker
So that's why I would argue this is still the best complete package of the other ones.
01:11:51
Speaker
I would be interested to see what other games would be like with the snappy flippers.
01:11:56
Speaker
I'd love to see what Guns N' Roses is like with the snappier flippers.
01:12:03
Speaker
Because I think I would have a lot more fun with it.
01:12:09
Speaker
if that were the case, maybe Wizard of Oz too.
01:12:12
Speaker
So I don't even know.
01:12:13
Speaker
Maybe I could reach out and say, is there a way of upgrading the old games to the new flippers?
01:12:17
Speaker
Because that would really change the experience.
01:12:20
Speaker
I might be wrong on this, but I think they have a board and apparently it's like a capacitor kit.
01:12:25
Speaker
Yeah, you got to change the cap.
01:12:27
Speaker
I might be wrong.
01:12:27
Speaker
I don't know.
01:12:28
Speaker
I'm actually going to reach out.
01:12:29
Speaker
I'm going to reach out and just ask because that is something I I would be interested in for previous games because that's always been how I've felt with the previous Jersey Jack games is the flippers have always felt inferior.
01:12:45
Speaker
And yeah.
01:12:46
Speaker
And so having the really snappy crisp flippers really does bring me more into Jurassic, uh, into the Jersey Jack.
01:12:55
Speaker
Um, I, okay.
01:12:57
Speaker
This is the first game where I've actually reached out and looked at availability and cost in Jersey Jack in a long time.
01:13:06
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:07
Speaker
That's impressive actually.
01:13:08
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:09
Speaker
And now this is a theme that my kids would go up and say, dad, I want to play that.
01:13:15
Speaker
So I know that my curated arcade is very specific to a family.
01:13:22
Speaker
And, and that's where guns and roses is absolutely beautiful game.
01:13:27
Speaker
And, you know, I, I do enjoy the immersion, but I have young kids.
01:13:31
Speaker
It's not going into my home arcade.
01:13:34
Speaker
You don't want to see skeletons doing it on your, uh, yeah.
01:13:37
Speaker
Okay.
01:13:38
Speaker
Again, there's a family, there's a family mode, but there are other things that, that would fit that thing.
01:13:43
Speaker
And I would argue the same thing with like Godfather.
01:13:45
Speaker
It didn't fit, uh, the, the theme of my, my family arcade.
01:13:50
Speaker
Um,
01:13:52
Speaker
Toy Story, Toy Story did feel like there was something lacking in it.
01:13:56
Speaker
And so that's why I didn't, I didn't pursue that one.
01:13:59
Speaker
But this is the first one where I'm like, yeah, maybe I would.
01:14:03
Speaker
And Elton John is actually a pretty close.
01:14:06
Speaker
I still think it's fun.
01:14:07
Speaker
I will still buy it.
01:14:08
Speaker
But this, this is something that offers something different.
01:14:11
Speaker
Yeah.
01:14:12
Speaker
Now remind me though, Scott, are you a fan of Avatar?
01:14:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:14:16
Speaker
Okay, Avatar is, it's fine.
01:14:19
Speaker
It's one of those themes that I thought was, it was enjoyable.
01:14:24
Speaker
I agree that the movies have a little bit of like typical Hollywood themes that feel kind of tired.
01:14:34
Speaker
I felt like the first one was definitely a commentary on like the Iraq War, which that wasn't a big leap.
01:14:40
Speaker
to see that.
01:14:42
Speaker
And on the second one, it felt like star Trek four and Titanic had a baby and they were trying to save a whale.
01:14:49
Speaker
Okay.
01:14:52
Speaker
Okay.
01:14:53
Speaker
If you're old enough, then you will know exactly what I'm talking about.
01:14:56
Speaker
And if not go and watch star Trek four and you're like, uh-huh.
01:14:59
Speaker
Scott's right.
01:15:00
Speaker
Yeah.
01:15:00
Speaker
You're like Scott's.
01:15:02
Speaker
Um, and so, so I, yeah, it is pretty and it's pretty, it's fun.
01:15:08
Speaker
And I would argue that,
01:15:10
Speaker
yeah, it's not my top five themes, but it's something that is a solid B theme that my kids would be really interested in.
01:15:18
Speaker
And this is where I want, well, okay, well, you know, we'll transition into this, but I do want to get and talk to the topper, but let's talk about who is this game for?
01:15:30
Speaker
Like who would buy avatar?
01:15:32
Speaker
Because we've had a lot of great games coming out in the last couple of years.
01:15:37
Speaker
And so,
01:15:39
Speaker
What is going to purchase or move the purchase price for this game?
01:15:44
Speaker
Who's going to buy it?
Jersey Jack Pinball Challenges and Audience
01:15:46
Speaker
And why would you buy it?
01:15:50
Speaker
You know, honestly, I've talked to many people lately that has been very much like we're not buying into JJP because of the price jump.
01:15:58
Speaker
It is what it is, you know?
01:16:02
Speaker
they just don't want to pay into that.
01:16:04
Speaker
And so... Like for a home collection or for a routing?
01:16:08
Speaker
Yeah, for a home collection.
01:16:10
Speaker
This is the first time I've heard from collectors that are stingy with their money that they've considered buying a new JJP new in box because they felt like this is what they've been asking for from JJP.
01:16:26
Speaker
Yeah, this time.
01:16:27
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I think if you keep up this energy and this uniqueness, I say going forward, it's not gonna be hard to get people on the boat.
01:16:37
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I do wonder because they do limit their, you know, there's a limited edition and there's a CE and, and with avatar, there's a total of 6,000 games.
01:16:47
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It makes you wonder, let's say they do bring out Harry Potter and it's just absolutely wild, right?
01:16:52
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It hits every expectation.
01:16:55
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do they bump that number?
01:16:57
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Like they have for, for Harry Potter, they'd have to, it's an A-list.
01:17:01
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Like 6,000 units.
01:17:02
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That's, it becomes, it's an instant evergreen title.
01:17:05
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Like you could, you could do 10,000, you could do 15,000 units on that.
01:17:10
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Okay.
01:17:11
Speaker
Tell me about this topper though.
01:17:13
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Tell me, I want to hear about it.
01:17:14
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You keep teasing this topper.
01:17:15
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I want to hear about the top.
01:17:17
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Okay.
01:17:17
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So think of the Mandalorian topper, but way better.
01:17:24
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Okay.
01:17:26
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So if, if you look at it, the, the topper uses a very similar, uh, you know, um, technology, it uses the peppers ghost effect that,
01:17:39
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reflects up and it's, it's full body.
01:17:43
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It's the entire tire width of the back box.
01:17:47
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It's quite tall too.
01:17:50
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And so it's visually impressive.
01:17:52
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You can see this all over.
01:17:55
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Now, this is where I would argue you probably want to consider getting the collector's edition because the, the topper comes with the collector's edition.
01:18:08
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Yeah.
01:18:09
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And when you're looking at a comparable topper in a Mandalorian topper, that's $2,000.
01:18:16
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And I would argue this is easily, easily 1.5 to two times as cool as the Mandalorian topper.
01:18:25
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So that's where I would say, you know what?
01:18:28
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You're kind of looking at, and, uh, Kate, you have to look at comparable markets, right?
01:18:33
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So a stern, uh, limited edition is in the 13 five range, right?
01:18:40
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And if you buy a topper for that with like the fancy things like the shooter rod and all that kind of stuff, you're looking at 15.
01:18:49
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You really are.
01:18:50
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You're looking pretty close to that.
01:18:51
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Okay.
01:18:53
Speaker
And so would I rather have a stern L E with all of the stuff, or would I rather have an avatar collectors edition with all the stuff?
01:19:04
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And I would argue that,
01:19:06
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I would rather have an avatar collector's edition with all the stuff if you're going to be buying that because the topper is worth it.
01:19:13
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This could be one of those situations.
01:19:16
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It's not quite as deal breaker as like the Cactus Canyon, like with and without the topper.
01:19:22
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I think you can still buy the standard one and have a great, a great time with it.
01:19:28
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If you are like, no, I really want the cool topper, it's worth it in today's topper market to consider spending the extra $3,000 and getting the topper.
01:19:39
Speaker
This is definitely a game that a family would get into.
01:19:46
Speaker
Uh, now this is where you have to look at what is the market for.
01:19:51
Speaker
So is this game going to be a tournament type game?
01:19:55
Speaker
And this is where you'll always get the, the people who are really into pinball.
01:20:00
Speaker
They're always going to talk about that, right?
01:20:03
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Is that, okay.
01:20:05
Speaker
So who, who's going to do like high-end players?
01:20:08
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I don't know if high-end players will really get into this layout.
01:20:13
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Just because competition players, competition players are also looking for a very specific thing.
01:20:18
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They're looking for a layout that has some, some, some risk rewards, some high skill areas, some easier areas, but like that one shot that is super hard to get that only they can get, or they're looking for like a rule set.
01:20:36
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That's very tournament friendly.
01:20:37
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Okay.
01:20:38
Speaker
Jersey Jack's never done that.
01:20:41
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And so in fairness, I don't know of any like top 100 players who are thinking, you know what?
01:20:47
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I really want to compete on an Elton John because that doesn't seem to be their target audience, which I don't think it has to be.
01:20:56
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This is a game that would really target, hey, I have a home arcade and I want people to come down.
01:21:04
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And I would guarantee Waz does this.
01:21:07
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When people come down, they look over and they see Waz.
01:21:10
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And how old is Waz?
01:21:12
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Woz is over 10 years old.
01:21:14
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And it still looks like a new release.
01:21:18
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People go over and they play Woz.
01:21:20
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And I guarantee if you had this downstairs with all of the other things, it is immediately number one eye candy.
01:21:28
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I want to go over and play that.
01:21:30
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Yeah.
01:21:32
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I got to agree with you on that.
01:21:33
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I have to.
01:21:35
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You know, because we were talking about who's this aimed for.
01:21:39
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I, every time, every time I think JJP,
01:21:45
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I gotta say it, to me, it's for the home arcade.
01:21:49
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It is.
01:21:50
Speaker
It is.
01:21:51
Speaker
For me out here in New York, we don't have many arcades.
01:21:54
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We have Jack Bar.
01:21:55
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They have like an Elton John.
01:21:56
Speaker
I haven't been there yet.
01:21:57
Speaker
There's not many arcades here, number one.
01:22:00
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And they have Sunshine too.
01:22:01
Speaker
They have Sunshine.
01:22:01
Speaker
Yeah, we do have Sunshine too.
01:22:03
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We have a guy in Long Island.
01:22:05
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There's just not many arcades, number one.
01:22:06
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And then number two, there's not many JJP machines on location.
01:22:12
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And, you know, every time I look at my machines, it's like, to me, I'm like, that was meant for a home use.
01:22:22
Speaker
That's just, I, and in that, in that realm though, being home use,
01:22:27
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it comes the price thing.
01:22:28
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That's where people might be upset about the pricing with JJP.
01:22:32
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I feel like I totally get my money's worth.
01:22:35
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It's a beautiful machine.
01:22:36
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Not to mention they're built like tanks.
01:22:38
Speaker
So to me, this is definitely a home use kind of manufacturer company.
01:22:46
Speaker
This is the first one in a long time though, where I feel that if you are on a fence as an operator, you could easily take a risk on this one.
01:22:56
Speaker
maybe maybe maybe not some of the other ones there's your guns there's your guns yeah uh maybe i i could i could understand on some of the other ones i can understand on toy story we're like no it's too much i don't want to put it on location
01:23:11
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And I can understand with Elton John saying, well, okay, but it's similar to what we've had before.
01:23:16
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Godfather, that's an invite.
01:23:20
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You need immersion into the theme for environment.
01:23:23
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This is the first one you're like, you know, actually this would fit into an arcade and not feel out of place.
01:23:28
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Yeah.
01:23:29
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I agree with both of what you're saying.
01:23:32
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And I don't really feel like there's much to add to that as well.
01:23:35
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I think you kind of hit the notes on that.
01:23:37
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I felt like we've wrapped this up in a nice little bow.
01:23:40
Speaker
Now, just real quick, only because for me personally, I do want to touch up on the one thing as me being a JDP owner, the one thing that upset me.
01:23:49
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Number one, the wizard modes are not coded in.
01:23:52
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And number two, I got the impression that Insider Connect is never coming to JJP.
01:23:59
Speaker
So they never talked about – so Scorbit was originally with them.
01:24:02
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They're not doing anything like that anymore.
01:24:04
Speaker
I know Scorbit was taken out.
01:24:07
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It was talked about.
01:24:09
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However, I would argue it doesn't feel – so if you're going to look at reasons why you would resist in buying – and Vic, you just brought this up.
01:24:18
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Yeah, like that's –
01:24:20
Speaker
You wish there were an element of insider connected that, obviously, that's a Stern thing, right?
01:24:29
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And Stern has done a very good job of that.
01:24:31
Speaker
And it really has driven people to arcades with badges.
01:24:36
Speaker
And so on your wish list of JJP things, you're saying that you wish you had an equivalent...
01:24:44
Speaker
type of achievement score thing on JJP.
01:24:49
Speaker
And I think that's a fair criticism because we're a few years into insider connected.
01:24:55
Speaker
So it would be nice if they had something equivalent.
01:24:57
Speaker
Yeah.
01:24:58
Speaker
To me, it's a revolutionary thing.
01:24:59
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People are like, I feel like, like I spoke to kale.
01:25:03
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He's like, people are lined up waiting to get these badges.
01:25:06
Speaker
Now it doesn't be badges.
01:25:07
Speaker
I don't care.
01:25:08
Speaker
Give me something like a me personally.
01:25:10
Speaker
I kind of wish there was a main high score leaderboard and I'd be happy.
01:25:13
Speaker
Yeah.
01:25:14
Speaker
But the other thing I said, the biggest issue I have right now is that, you know, we didn't touch up on it.
01:25:19
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We were, I, at least for me while we were playing, I actually collected Pandora.
01:25:24
Speaker
I would have went into wizard mode and my game just like the back box froze.
01:25:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:25:30
Speaker
Oh, okay.
01:25:30
Speaker
So it's still early code and we, and we knew that.
01:25:34
Speaker
My big issue though, is you're shipping the games out without the wizard mode in and,
01:25:40
Speaker
Being a godfather and I hear pirates, my biggest thing that hurts my heart right now is like, how long?
01:25:47
Speaker
And I asked it, and all they could say is soon.
01:25:52
Speaker
Well, that's always been a challenge with Jersey Jack.
01:25:54
Speaker
To be fair, it's always been a challenge.
01:25:56
Speaker
The wizard mode's not even in godfather right now, right?
01:25:59
Speaker
The final.
01:26:00
Speaker
So kiss the ring.
01:26:02
Speaker
Kiss the ring's not in there.
01:26:04
Speaker
And then, I mean, obviously Toy Story is, but it's kind of...
01:26:08
Speaker
It's like, hey, hey, do it again.
01:26:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:26:10
Speaker
Yeah.
01:26:11
Speaker
So is Guns N' Roses final mode even in there?
01:26:16
Speaker
I remember there was a recent update that like took like two or three, whatever, how old, I don't know what it is though, but I remember seeing the update for GNR and people like, yeah, like, and then like sales went back up for GNR.
01:26:29
Speaker
And now Vic, you can't let, let's, since you are a recent Jersey Jack owner.
01:26:34
Speaker
So updating the code, is that a big deal for you?
01:26:37
Speaker
Or does it, is, is it very, no, no.
01:26:40
Speaker
Sorry.
01:26:41
Speaker
Is it, is it a hard thing?
01:26:44
Speaker
Is it a hard thing to do or is it an easy thing to do?
01:26:48
Speaker
Meaning like in a technical aspect?
01:26:51
Speaker
Is it technically difficult?
01:26:53
Speaker
Yeah.
01:26:53
Speaker
Do you just connect to Wi-Fi and it does it for you or you got to plug it in?
01:26:57
Speaker
Oh, you mean like an actual update?
01:26:59
Speaker
Yeah.
01:26:59
Speaker
Like the process of updating the code.
01:27:02
Speaker
It sounds like it's easy.
01:27:04
Speaker
Yeah.
01:27:04
Speaker
I thought you were talking about like a development standpoint.
01:27:06
Speaker
Like I have to go and code zero to ones.
01:27:09
Speaker
No, no, no.
01:27:09
Speaker
Like if you're like, oh, there's a new code.
01:27:11
Speaker
Is it hard to put it on your machine?
01:27:14
Speaker
No.
01:27:14
Speaker
Okay, good.
01:27:16
Speaker
Now, I will say, I would also personally like to thank Jersey Jack because I am not really the best at updating my Wizard of Oz code.
01:27:25
Speaker
I heard you ask this question.
01:27:26
Speaker
You're like, is there a dongle?
01:27:27
Speaker
I'm like, yeah.
01:27:29
Speaker
Yeah, because, okay, Wizard of Oz, it's also, you know, this is a 12-year-old game.
01:27:34
Speaker
And so they said, yes, there is a way.
01:27:37
Speaker
And I'm not that dumb.
01:27:40
Speaker
Okay, I have a Mac and people said it's kind of a pain to update it with a Mac.
01:27:45
Speaker
And so thankfully, I actually talked them into it and they were super nice about it.
01:27:50
Speaker
They actually ripped and did like the new code.
01:27:54
Speaker
for me and they, they got me some stuff there to help me out.
01:27:59
Speaker
And so I am going to update my wizard of Oz to latest code.
01:28:02
Speaker
Nice.
01:28:03
Speaker
And there's like, they even said, Hey, this is how you hook it up, you know, wifi and all that kind of stuff.
01:28:08
Speaker
And they could not have been nicer about helping me out with modernizing my Ruby red wizard of Oz.
01:28:17
Speaker
And so I would like to give a special thanks to them.
01:28:21
Speaker
And to everything they did to help me out because that's a huge deal to me that I felt like I was kind of stuck.
01:28:30
Speaker
We can't deny it.
01:28:32
Speaker
When it comes to JJP and their customer service, nothing beats it.
01:28:37
Speaker
When you just told me that story, I was like, I'm surprised when they did that.
01:28:41
Speaker
I'm like, whoa, that's awesome for you.
01:28:42
Speaker
But I feel like they would do that.
01:28:44
Speaker
This is Jason Allen, who was the software, who's one of the software guys with Keith over there.
01:28:48
Speaker
He was super nice.
01:28:49
Speaker
I'd like to personally thank him for everything.
01:28:53
Speaker
And yes, I, and he, he even sent me an email.
01:28:56
Speaker
Okay.
01:28:57
Speaker
This is how you do it.
01:28:57
Speaker
And this is what's going on.
01:28:58
Speaker
So, so if you guys, I have an old Jersey Jack that you're interested in bringing up to the, you know, the, the, to modern now that go, go ahead and reach out and they'll be able to help you out.
01:29:12
Speaker
So that's super nice.
01:29:14
Speaker
Cool.
01:29:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:29:16
Speaker
Like I said, I think we're kind of – it's almost midnight your time, Vic.
01:29:20
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I'm here all day.
01:29:21
Speaker
Don't worry.
01:29:21
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Trust me.
01:29:22
Speaker
I got hours.
Expos and Community Engagement
01:29:26
Speaker
So one thing I do want to do, I do want to give a special thanks out to Jersey Jack for inviting us out.
01:29:34
Speaker
Hosting us, for Ken reaching out, inviting us.
01:29:37
Speaker
That was very nice.
01:29:39
Speaker
They were quite accommodating.
01:29:41
Speaker
We'd like to thank everybody at Jersey Jack who was there.
01:29:46
Speaker
Tom Capara, all the team that was there.
01:29:51
Speaker
Brett Abbas was there.
01:29:53
Speaker
And it was just super nice that they took this seriously as we are trying to put the best pinball machine that they know how to make out there and inviting us into their home, showing us the process.
01:30:07
Speaker
And even like small things,
01:30:09
Speaker
Like the, um, the banshees, there's six different, we didn't even bring this up.
01:30:14
Speaker
There's six different banshees.
01:30:16
Speaker
And so depending on what it's a random thing, like the banshee chooses you.
01:30:20
Speaker
So you can, you get six different colored banshees that could possibly come.
01:30:26
Speaker
So I thought that was, I thought that was a cool, a cool touch.
01:30:29
Speaker
But we just like to really appreciate everything they did to make this possible.
01:30:33
Speaker
This is the best way for me to get exposed to a new game so we can talk about it.
01:30:39
Speaker
So it was very kind of them to do that.
01:30:42
Speaker
And so I, again, just like to thank them again.
01:30:45
Speaker
They did not push us for any sort of editorial control over, over what we say.
01:30:50
Speaker
They, they were confident in their product to let it speak for itself.
01:30:56
Speaker
I think if you want to get your hands on this game, I know there's, well, obviously it was a Rocky mountain pinball show, but expo expo is where it's going to be at.
01:31:04
Speaker
And if you've never been to expo, get on it, man, because it's 40th year, like 40th year this year.
01:31:11
Speaker
And I, there's going to be some really cool stuff there.
01:31:15
Speaker
Well, JJP always has an excellent booth too, and they usually have almost all their games there.
01:31:21
Speaker
It's worth your time to get to Chicago.
01:31:24
Speaker
We're less than a month away.
01:31:27
Speaker
One secret, I know a lot of people say it's a pain in the butt if you're not staying at the hotel.
01:31:31
Speaker
It's not that bad.
01:31:33
Speaker
It's not that bad, but at the embassy, you can drive over.
01:31:36
Speaker
It's fine.
01:31:37
Speaker
Yeah.
01:31:37
Speaker
One of the secrets is the hotel actually has a shuttle.
01:31:41
Speaker
So just call up the shuttle and they'll bring you over.
01:31:43
Speaker
No cost to you.
01:31:44
Speaker
Just tip the tip, the driver.
01:31:46
Speaker
Yeah.
01:31:46
Speaker
That's all you got to do.
01:31:47
Speaker
So other than that, I, like I said, I think you guys did fantastic.
01:31:53
Speaker
And it's funny.
01:31:53
Speaker
Cause it's like, Oh, we miss this and miss that.
01:31:55
Speaker
I'm like there, you guys were there for the hours though.
01:31:57
Speaker
Yeah.
01:31:58
Speaker
So, okay.
01:31:59
Speaker
Vic push your show.
01:32:02
Speaker
Push or?
01:32:04
Speaker
Push your show.
01:32:05
Speaker
Promote yourself.
01:32:07
Speaker
Oh, I don't.
01:32:08
Speaker
Where can people
Social Media and Closing Remarks
01:32:09
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find you?
01:32:09
Speaker
Oh, you can find me on YouTube, Vic underscore VP, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok.
01:32:14
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I got a whole Linktree link going on.
01:32:17
Speaker
I'm just very grateful for you guys to invite me.
01:32:20
Speaker
It was very great to meet everybody on Friday at Jersey Jack.
01:32:23
Speaker
Again, big thank you to Jersey Jack and Ken Cromwell for inviting me.
01:32:27
Speaker
I'm shocked that I was like invited and apparently Ken Cromwell watches a couple of my videos.
01:32:30
Speaker
So I'm like, all right, awesome.
01:32:32
Speaker
I was very, I said, I was like, I'm resisting trying to fanboy out and take selfies with Joel and Colin.
01:32:38
Speaker
And, but yes, I'm just grateful for you guys inviting me.
01:32:42
Speaker
We had a lot of fun.
01:32:44
Speaker
Yeah, that's, that's all.
01:32:46
Speaker
I don't, I'm not going to, I'm not going to just explain myself, but yes.
01:32:48
Speaker
Thank you guys so much.
01:32:49
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All right.
01:32:50
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It was awesome.
01:32:52
Speaker
Thank you guys.
01:32:54
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01:33:06
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I know it's a really small number on YouTube, but Josh is Hollywood pretty.
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So,
01:33:10
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I know it's nowhere near it's no, it's nowhere near our other numbers for like subscribers on like Apple and all that stuff.
01:33:16
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01:33:17
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01:33:18
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01:33:22
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01:33:23
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01:33:27
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01:33:33
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01:33:37
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Yeah.
01:33:38
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Obviously, I didn't do a content creator last episode, and I feel bad about that.
01:33:42
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But I'm going to make this one pretty easy.
01:33:44
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01:33:46
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It's great stuff.
01:33:48
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01:33:50
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01:33:51
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It's got an awesome New York accent.
01:33:53
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Thank you, guys.
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Thank you.
01:33:55
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01:33:58
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If you're not buying our stuff, I don't want us to tell you.
01:34:00
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Like we've got a bunch of people that bought the hockey van shoes.
01:34:03
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Yes.
01:34:04
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I had the hockey Jersey and Vans.
01:34:05
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I wore the van shoes all weekend.
01:34:07
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They're really comfortable.
01:34:09
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I was surprised.
01:34:10
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They're really comfortable.
01:34:11
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People are gearing up for expo.
01:34:13
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I like there's, we've got a handful of jerseys that went out.
01:34:16
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Other thing too, really quick about the hats.
01:34:18
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Cause I've had a couple of questions about the hats.
01:34:19
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Yes, we are doing the hats.
01:34:21
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The pre list is I have it top pinned on Facebook.
01:34:25
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The way it works is you fill out a Google sheet and it comes to me and I'm holding onto all those Google sheets right now.
01:34:31
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And I will contact you once we shut down that form, which is at the end of this month, you only got like two weeks left.
01:34:35
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If you really want that hat, you don't have to go to September just in case you're listening in the future.
01:34:40
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So you don't have to be like, I will ship it to you and we can make that arrangement if you're not gonna be at expo, but save yourself some shipping.
01:34:47
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If you're going to expo, I can bring it to you.
01:34:50
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That's one of the main reasons I do a hat push this year is because I'm like, I'm gonna be in Chicago.
01:34:54
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A lot of other people are gonna be in Chicago.
01:34:55
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It's just easy to be like here, boom, save yourself like eight bucks or 10 bucks, whatever the shipping is nowadays.
01:35:00
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It's kind of out of control.
01:35:02
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And really we're not making anything on these.
01:35:03
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It really is just a fun thing for us to get hats out.
01:35:06
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So.
01:35:07
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Yep.
01:35:09
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There's all that.
01:35:09
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Did I miss anything, Scott?
01:35:12
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No, just check us out.
01:35:13
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Josh does a really good job with our social media, all the typical locations.
01:35:18
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And we appreciate everybody listening, spending time with us.
01:35:23
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And if you see us at Expo, please come up and say hi and take a selfie with us.
01:35:27
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We'd love to do it.
01:35:29
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Definitely.
01:35:29
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Vic, give us our last word.
01:35:32
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Oh, man.
01:35:33
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You put me on the spot.
01:35:37
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Oh, oh man.
01:35:40
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I'm excited for Expo.
01:35:42
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I'm very grateful and happy I met you guys.
01:35:44
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Thank you again for inviting me.
01:35:45
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Flip on, my guys and gals.
01:35:48
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Flip on.