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Episode 340: YachtCon 22.5
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This is the first of at least three YachtCon 22.5 segments. We'll also be sharing interviews with Garth Lagerwey and Adrian Hanauer before hopefully getting together for an IRL even this summer. enjoy.
This week's music: Perry Como - "Seattle", "RVIVR - "Ocean Song", Woody Guthrie - "Roll On Columbia", "Your Journey Begins" - OurMusicBox (Jay Man) (CC BY 4.0)
Thanks to James Woollard, Sounders Public Address Announcer, for doing our sponsor reads. You can follow him on Twitter at @BritVoxUS - if you’re looking for a British Voice to advertise your business or non-profit, please reach out to him.
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Introduction and Sponsorship
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00:00:21
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Show Introduction and Team Mentions
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Hey, this is Christian Roldan. And Jordan Morris from the Seattle Sounders Football Club. And you're listening to... There's no study at this. What? Hey, Ocean! Let's go! Jordan Morris getting in behind Florian Youngford. Jordan Morris! Scores!
00:00:50
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And how's this for a save from Steph and Fry? Here comes Roy Deers from the middle to crowd it to Seattle. What do the Tigers dream of? They take a little Tigers in. It's the Sounders and an S-Com. I feel a lot better than Bob.
00:01:34
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I didn't know what it was. Is that what you young people call twerking? I have no idea. I don't know.
00:01:45
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Welcome back to another edition of no audio is sponsored by full pool wines.
Upcoming Events and Interviews
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I am Jeremiah Shannon, joining me as usual is Aaron Campo and our engineer Lickett. So it is, as we're recording this is February 22, and I did not introduce this as episode 300 whatever.
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I don't know what episode we're on anymore, but I didn't introduce it that way because this is what we're calling Yacht-Con 22.5, which is to say it's not officially Yacht-Con, but it is a prelude to what we hope to do this summer, which is going to be in real life event or series of events. We are in the process of working out what exactly that's going to be, but the 22.5
00:02:36
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version of Yacht-Con as it is right now. It's going to be this show, which is essentially an episode of Nos Adiates. We have an interview with Adrian Hanauer that I think we're going to probably release on Friday. It's an hour long. He sat with me for an hour and somehow I didn't get to everything I wanted to ask him. But we talked a lot about this whole branding exercise that they're going through. We talked a lot about the training facility that they're hoping to build or they're planning to build. And we talked a lot about
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other stuff, including even, I even broached the subject of fan ownership in professional sports. I'll give you a teaser. It didn't go. We didn't get a lot out of that one, but some other interesting tidbits to tease you. And then we also have an interview that I think we're going to air live with Garth Largaway on Thursday.
Catch-up and Offseason Reflections
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So if you're around on noon on Thursday and you want to hang out with Garth, Erin, Lickit and I,
00:03:36
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We'll be doing it. And I think we're going to try to figure out how to just stream that straight to YouTube. So whatever. But hey, Aaron, I talked a lot without letting you talk. How are you doing? I'm good. How are you doing, Jeremiah? You didn't touch on that. You feeling OK?
00:03:52
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Uh, yeah, I think I'm doing okay. All things considered. We're, we're, uh, we haven't talked in a while. It's been, it's been a couple months. It's, it's, you know, we, we last recorded, I think after the season ended ignominiously. Uh, and.
00:04:09
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The offseason flew by. It's been a very strange offseason. The Sounders have already played a competitive game as we're recording this. They will be playing another one on Thursday and then the season starts on Sunday. It's all coming fast and furious. I don't know even if we had wanted to do a preseason yacht con if we had been able to pull it off.
00:04:30
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No, I don't think so. Um, because I forgot that the game, uh, on Thursday was happening until Wednesday.
Season Start and Game Discussions
00:04:36
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Uh, I feel like every year, like this season just like starts earlier, even though it doesn't really, I mean, it's pretty much. Well, this year it did. This was the earliest start. This is the earliest competitive match. The centers have ever played. I do, but it's usually pretty close to this, right? When we're in, you know, it's usually around here and around this time. Yeah. I always just, I'm like, oh yeah, the season starts in like April or whatever at night. I don't know why I think that, but.
00:04:59
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You know, here we are. But yeah, you know, it's good. It's good to be back. I definitely have been bored again because like life is kind of getting back to normal. And so I'm not. It's like now that I have stuff to do, I get bored more easily, if that makes sense, because I'm not just used to just like sitting around constantly. So yeah, so it's very nice to have that distraction back. Hopefully, you know, the rest of the games will be a little more exciting than that first one. But
00:05:28
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You know, not a bad result. I didn't think any time you're down in Central America, if you can get out of there with with clean sheet, I think you got to feel pretty good about it. You know what I was a little struck by was I guess I'm not surprised that people were disappointed with the result. I was struck by how much baggage a lot of fans carried over from last season. Like I was a little like I was sort of taken aback by people.
00:05:54
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being as frustrated as they were with a 0-0 game. I mean, it happens, right? 0-0 games in Central America. If you're an American team and you go down to Central America and you get out with a result, usually you are reasonably happy with that. But there was a faction of people that were really frustrated. And I think a lot of that was they look back at the way last season ended, the six game winless run to end the regular season, and then, of course, going
00:06:22
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out in penalties to RSL in the playoffs in a game they didn't allow a single shot. I hate to remind everyone, but people were still like kind of smarting over that a bit. And maybe I can't blame them. It was a frustrating end to last season. I tend to have mostly positive feelings about last year, but I can see how
00:06:46
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You know, like the home form was frustrating. The the scoring, especially at home, was down. Yeah, it was, you know, it ended on a dud. It ended on a dud. Yeah, I mean, I think we talked a lot about this down the stretch last year, like what had felt like a really great, fun, you know, unimpeachably good season. Yes, really kind of fell apart pretty quickly. But in like a very much, you know, not with a bang, but a wimper sort of way, just kind of.
00:07:14
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forgot how to score and that was that. I think two part of it with the CCL game is that everyone knows that the MLS teams are not the favorites to win the competition but certainly the favorites to you know advance out of these knockouts. Last CCL knockout the Sounders were in they went out yeah to a Central American team so that's got to be part of it. I think people
00:07:36
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The MLS teams are very much the favorites against the Central American teams. But I think people do forget, and I include myself in this, that the gap is not that huge, especially when you're playing down there, especially with the travel and everything like that. I think the Sounders probably got lucky playing in front of an empty stadium. I think that probably helped them a little bit. So they're always difficult games, even if you expect the Sounders to win without too much trouble over two legs.
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there's still not usually just going to be raps and I think that people kind of go in expecting that and especially on the road in CCL that just doesn't happen very often. Yeah, you know what struck me a little bit, I did a little bit of research into the Sounders road form in CCL and they had gone 13 straight on the road in CCL without a shutout.
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uh if you only include games in Mexico and Central America they were something like two six and three uh which is to say not great like uh they they had I don't think they'd ever scored a two goal win south uh in games uh in Central America and Mexico they'd want to you know they'd won some three two game they won a three two game I think they won a one zero game but you had to go all the way back
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to the 2011 Champions League against Monterey when they got that miraculous 1-0 win to find their last shutout on the southern border, south of the United States, I guess we'll say. But it's been a long time and it's to say that this competition is tough and I gotta say Montagua was
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probably a little more athletic than I expected like these were some like big guys like guys that if they if you just transpose that team into MLS uniforms I don't think you'd think oh they are out of place these these are athletes these are not uh these are not like
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I don't know what I was expecting, but it didn't even strike me as a standard Central American team. They were kind of big and they were formidable on set pieces, especially to the degree the sounders had trouble. They had some trouble on set pieces legitimately. There were a couple close calls. Yeah, definitely. I think that to me, it kind of feels like
00:10:01
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As we go along year after year, it feels like the gap between all of the leagues, except maybe at the very top is kind of shrinking and everybody just seems to be getting better. And I'd say that the lower leagues are getting better, maybe at a quicker pace. MLS is clearly much better than it wasn't, you know, 2010, 2011, when the Sounders first started playing in CCL. But I think that the teams are playing are also much better. Yeah.
00:10:27
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It feels like the gap between the MLS teams and the better Central American teams is about what the gap between the league and MX teams and the MLS teams are at this point. And I feel like it used to be quite a bit wider than that.
Player Performances and Tactical Analysis
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And so it makes for fun games. I mean, I knew that we were in trouble very early on. Jordan Morris got played a ball into space. I thought he was in on goal and Mattaga was right back, caught up with him fairly easily, which you just don't see that often. And that was sort of a reminder that
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you know yeah this is not a game that the sounders are likely to run away with because people don't tend to catch up with Jordan Morris in space. What did you think of Jordan Morris's performance?
00:11:05
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Um, I mean, you know, he's, he came back at the end of last year, but he didn't get a ton of playing time. And, uh, and I think this, you know, this probably would have been one of the first times he's gone. He had started in, in quite a while, I think. Um, and you know, he looked, everybody, I would say looked a little bit rusty. I think he and Nico looked the rustiest. Um,
00:11:32
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I'm not worried about anything yet, but I don't think that he blew me away. He still looks like a great player. He doesn't look like he's lost anything athletically, which is, I think, encouraging. That's the most important thing. Because the other stuff you can, you know, pick back up, you can shake the rust off. You can't, you know, get faster again, right? Like, you lose a step, you lose a step. So, I didn't see anything that worried me too much, you know?
00:11:59
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Yeah, I would say I agree with you. He looks sharper than he looked at the end of last season. Still probably not as sharp as he will eventually get. But I thought he showed some aggressiveness in trying to dribble past opponents. I thought he was reasonably effective at doing that. He put in a couple of dangerous balls.
00:12:24
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I don't think he took any shots but you know the Sounders did create a couple really good chances in this one. He nearly set up Nico Ledero for a shot or for a goal and then I don't know who set up Albert Rusnak but he had about as good of a look from 10 yards out that you're going to get and he hit it wide it looked like it may have deflected off of an opponent but either way it was definitely the Sounders best chance and
00:12:54
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They were kind of left ruining that. I know there was also some frustration that I understand, frankly, about the substitution pattern that Brian Schmetzer employed. Most notably, Lao Chu did not get off the bench. Freddie Montero was inserted. I think you can understand Nuhu's entry, like not starting.
00:13:20
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I think you can also understand why he was the first one off the bench. I thought the Sounders were immediately the better team once knew who came on. I don't remember Montagua having any dangerous chances at that point. That was about the last 30 minutes. But the head scratcher, I think, was Freddie Monteiro coming in for, who was it, for? God, who did he come in for? It was for Jordan, right?
00:13:48
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It was Jordan. Yeah, I think you're right. And so, and I thought what would happen would that I assumed Montero would move into the middle and Rusnak would move out to the right, but no, Montero played on the right and was mostly invisible. I assumed the thinking was, okay, well bring in Freddie Montero, and he'll help us with possession.
00:14:10
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even if he's not necessarily going to stretch the defense, but he didn't really, he wasn't super active. He didn't get involved much. And in hindsight, I think bringing in Leo Chu to sort of try to stretch the defense may have been the right call. And again, in hindsight, I think you can argue they weren't really in danger of giving much either way.
00:14:33
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Yeah, I think that I think that for me, the thing with to the concern over true not coming in is less about this one specific game because I do think you're right, whether or not it ended up happening I think the plan was pretty clearly to keep the ball and just see out the clean sheet.
00:14:52
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last year to not getting as much playing time as people maybe wanted was kind of understandable because he's just into a new country. He's he's still a young kid, you know, and and I think the expectation is next year he'll play. And I think every time he doesn't get in when there's a situation where it feels like maybe he the game is is
00:15:13
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you know, maybe the kind of game he would be, he would be useful in that he's not getting in. It's going to make people nervous because the Sounders have a decent amount of money invested in the kid. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it's, it's not often that the Sounders pay transfer fees for guys. It's definitely not often that they pay transfer fees for guys that don't come in and start right away. Um, and so I think people are, you know, they're excited to see what they have. They don't want a.
00:15:40
Speaker
maybe like a Chilini situation or going back even farther Mario Martinez or Thomas Aguirre Bay. I think Chiu definitely has a better pedigree, like I think there are lots of reasons to maybe think that he has a little bit longer of a leash than those guys, but
00:16:00
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You know, prospects are scary in that way, like that's, they might just not pan out, even if you spend a lot of money on them and I think that there's definitely some nerves around that. And then I think some people are always just going to want, you know, to Monday morning quarterback and see the guy they didn't see.
00:16:16
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The guy that didn't come into the game is always the guy that would have made the difference, right? So I think it's always hindsight being 20, 20 as well. But I can definitely understand the frustration because it felt like there were some games last year where a player with shoes skill set could have helped. But I also just like.
00:16:33
Speaker
I mean, ultimately, I didn't see anything from him at any point last year where I said that this guy's got to be playing. You know, like there were games where he looked OK. There are games where he looked completely lost. And I have not seen anything that makes me go, I don't know what Schmetzer is thinking. He's got to get this kid on the field more often. That's not to say I don't think he's capable of having performances like that and showing that kind of promise. But it just doesn't to me yet rise to the level of like,
00:17:02
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What is, you know, what am I missing here about why this guy isn't playing because I just haven't seen anything that makes me ask that yet. Yeah, and I think it's, you know, I think, again, it's important to keep in mind. It's the first game of the season. It was a road game in Central America.
00:17:17
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would I have liked to have seen him play? Yes. Can I understand the logic behind not playing him? Also, yes. And I think it's, you know, I've seen plenty of comparisons between him and, you know, probably the most prominent one was Magnus Wolf-Icrum, who came here as a pretty highly touted signing. He
00:17:39
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made a handful of appearances, showed some promise, and then kind of fell out of favor and went back to Norway where he's been good. But granted, Norway is not the most competitive league in the world.
00:17:55
Speaker
I mean, I get it. I understand there's frustrations, but I mean, I will say that this, like you alluded to, the Sounders have invested a lot more money. They have a lot more reason to stick with him than like Tomás, who came here essentially for free. Emmanuel Saccini also was here on a loan. They didn't really invest a lot in him. I call him Chilini, didn't I? You did. Good God.
00:18:20
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I think he'll
Lineup Expectations and Player Development
00:18:21
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get his minutes. I suspect he might even, you know, I wouldn't be shocked if he was starting on Sunday. The Senators, I think, are going to have to rotate their lineup from Thursday. Brian Schmetter today said that his expectation that they're going into Thursday as a must-win game and then they'll sort of like deal with the consequences on Sunday if they have to. So,
00:18:42
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I don't see any reason why we won't see that best 11 or that ideal 11 that we've been sort of pumping up all along. So basically you take the lineup that the centers had on Thursday and you insert New Who for Kellen Rowe and you insert Joe Paulo for Obed Vargas. And that's a formidable lineup. I would think that at the very least Joe Paulo and Nico Ladero would have to be rotated out for Sunday.
00:19:11
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My hope, my projection is Leo Chu would start in place of
00:19:19
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would start on the left, probably move Jordan Morris to the right, and Russ Nack would move to the middle. And then you probably have Obed Vargas starting for Jau Paulo, which is a nice bridge to talking about Obed Vargas, who I think was probably the, if there was one real bright spot, I thought Obed Vargas as a 16-year-old, I think he's the
00:19:44
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the youngest American to ever start a Champions League match. Pretty like, you know, he wasn't the star, he wasn't man of the match for me, but he was looked every bit the part. And I think that as a 16 year old, that's a lot what you were looking for.
00:20:01
Speaker
Yeah, I think the biggest frustration anyone had with him was there was one situation or one instance where he had like a pretty good look at a shot and didn't take it. That's not a bad thing to have as your primary takeaway from a 16 year old starting in Central America in his first game. And just the fact that the Sounders seem to have one or two kids
00:20:22
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that are breaking into the first team every year now. And doing it and like getting big starts and showing well is I think just really shows.
00:20:33
Speaker
how much the investment in the academy is paying off. These spots like that are five, six years ago gone to USL, tweener, freely available talent guys, guys who have been in MLS for a while and still had a little something left in the tank, but we're never gonna,
00:20:55
Speaker
you know amount to a whole lot and now you know it's 16 year olds that could you know end up being national team quality players and that's just so exciting to see that happening consistently every year. I think it's a huge part of the reason that Garth Lagerweil was brought in in the first place was to you know help rebuild that that academy system and it's it's paying huge dividends and I think
00:21:19
Speaker
In terms of debuts, it's hard to beat Levas. But I think Vargas was pretty close in terms of just being excited about what he could bring. And I think especially because that's a position where the sounders could use a little bit more depth that has the skills that he has and that he had on display. It was very encouraging performance. And I, again, just to have
00:21:44
Speaker
Have these kids every year where you can depend. Like we're going to see some fun prospects coming up through the Academy every year, probably two or three of them. Just night and day from from where things used to be for for this team.
00:21:58
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty similar performance to Josh Atencio's start in the season opener last year, where he, you know, he took the space that was given to him. He made the passes that were there. He didn't necessarily look like a star, but he did all the, he didn't look, there was no moment in that game where it looked like, okay, he's just a bit overwhelmed here. And that's not, you know, it's not an easy thing to go to Central Macro. That grass was left, you know,
00:22:27
Speaker
Long, very long. It didn't, it looked like everyone was struggling to control passes to control their dribble. And, you know, he, I think he was, you know, something like he completed like 92% of his passes I think he attempted the second most passes on the team second only to Christian Roldan.
00:22:46
Speaker
You know, I just think that you project it forward and he's a very good MLS player. You can see why, you know, there's always talk about how, you know, maybe he's the guy who gets the first Academy product who gets sold for significant money. You know, and Danny Leyva is still around. Josh Atencio is still around. Both of them missed most of preseason with various injuries, but
00:23:10
Speaker
You know, it sounds like they're on their way back. Danny Leyva much closer. So, you know, this, I think this is shaping up to be a very promising season. I'm seeing all the
00:23:22
Speaker
Power rankings and stuff are starting to come out and the sounders are right at the top of everyone's list, which I can't help but think is a little reverse jinxy, but we'll, you know, fingers crossed that it never seems to pan out how everyone expects it to. So that might be the kiss of death, but I think there's every reason to be excited about this team and nothing I saw on Thursday is like dissuading me from feeling that way.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah, I think it was a very professional business like sort of performance did not excite anyone. But, you know, like we've seen the sounders going to Central America and fall apart. We've seen other MLS teams do it too. They got in there, didn't give up the goal.
00:24:05
Speaker
Uh, you know, got, got a debut in there. Nobody got injured as far as I know. Got to feel pretty happy about that. Um, it's a, it's kind of a bummer the way that the beginning of the season stacks up. It would have been nice if they could have had the first leg at home. Maybe they go to central America with a comfortable lead and they can leave some guys at home and go in a little more full strength for the opener, but you know, it is what it is. Um, that's going to be a tough opener, obviously. Um, but.
00:24:35
Speaker
You know, that's the way it goes. It's much more important to get out of this round of the CCL and maybe, you know, only get a point at home against the very good Nashville team than it is to, you know, get a win against Nashville. You got to get a little deeper into CCL this time around, I think.
00:24:55
Speaker
Yeah, and again, I think we'll have a lot better sense of how much we should be frustrated or excited after Thursday. If they win this game 2-0 or better, I think we'll be rightfully optimistic about everything. And if they fail to advance,
00:25:17
Speaker
But we have some real frustrations and I am not going to blame anyone for being frustrated, because that would be an unacceptable result, I think, no one's going to get fired over that but that would be very frustrating. For sure. Like, you can't like this seem is way too good to be going out in the first round of CCL to to anyone.
00:25:37
Speaker
And we'll see. To do it twice in a row, especially like shit happens. Sometimes you lose to RSL on the playoffs. Sometimes you lose at home and CCL. But you can't do this stuff consistently.
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. And by the way, let's not go to penalties. Yeah, I agree. I would very much appreciate that. Let's not go to penalties, but also score so that we're like scored more than they do. Right.
New Training Facility Plans
00:26:06
Speaker
Because the zero zero is the only way to go to penalties. But I don't want to do like a monkey's paw thing and have it be two to two or something. Right. No, I don't either.
00:26:19
Speaker
I don't have a transition into this, but I feel like we should talk about this at the top of the segment. We're going to be talking about this a lot probably during Yacht-Con, but the Sounders unveiled some pretty ambitious plans last week. I was out at Long Acres. I was frankly blown away at everything they have planned. I think in my talk with Adrian,
00:26:42
Speaker
It's very, you'll see that it's very easy to get excited about the possibilities. You know, like one of the ideas I pitched is, let's go buy that sign, that Schmetzer Sport House sign that's still sitting on Aurora, taunting me every time I see it. I'm like, how is that? I'm worried every time I drive past it, it's going to get the face. But get that sign off Aurora, move it to Long Acres, and make that your pro shop.
00:27:08
Speaker
And the other idea I pitched, which I hope you'll appreciate is a cafe press like space there where it's like good coffee, good drinks, soccer reliably on and food that is way too good for it has any right to be.
00:27:27
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, part of the appeal of Cafe Press was obviously that it was right in the middle of Capitol Hill and not in the middle of an office park, but I still like the idea. You know, I think it'd be fun. I love the Schmetter Sport House idea. I think that's a great idea. But I do want to repeat that constantly until it becomes I'm going to go with that into reality. It's a really it's a really good idea. I do like the idea of.
00:27:51
Speaker
the facility becoming something of a destination, whatever that looks like. There's not a lot in that area right now, but you know, it's a cool thing. It's that they're spending a lot of money on and it makes sense to, if you're trying to help drive, you know, further drive a connection with the fans and the sounders have always made that one of their highest priorities, having people around your facility seems like a good way to do that.
00:28:18
Speaker
You know, like the VMAC is right smack dab and written people drive by it every day. There's not a lot of connection to that facility among the Seahawks fan base. The Seahawks probably don't need to try to drive that, that connection frankly but you know so I think the sounders going in a different direction and trying to get people in.
00:28:39
Speaker
to the facility, to that space, however they can, is a cool idea. I think that having that connection between the club and having the people in the community truly feel like they are connected to the club in those ways is a really important thing. And however they can do that, I'm all for it. If that's having a cafe there, I think that's a great idea.
00:29:00
Speaker
Well, I think one of the advantages that this space will have over, you know, VMac as an example, is that there's going to be, you know, something like 3000 units of people living there. And so that it lends itself to a lot more organic lived in feel. And I think that's what allows your imagination to really run wild is that it's like, whatever they put there, it's not just there for sounders fans,
00:29:30
Speaker
to come do. Yeah, I think what what makes it so exciting is that this is potentially like a real organic neighborhood. Well, maybe not organic, but it's a real neighborhood. And
00:29:53
Speaker
And you'll have people who live there 24 seven who are able to keep bars and restaurants hopping and have business and you can have some sort of activation spaces. And that's what I think is so interesting about this is that it's like
00:30:13
Speaker
part of a larger development and not just like a suburban park out in the middle of nowhere. Right. Yeah, it's, it's that area is definitely growing. It'll be nice to have that area sort of connected to the rest of the
00:30:30
Speaker
I don't know what you would call call it the region. The region, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's sort of a weird blank spot for a while. It's just like the back of the shortcut to IKEA, you know, so. Right. We definitely need housing, more housing in that area. So that's a really cool, I think, addition to that facility. And I think if you look at like the west side of the property, it is a little more
00:30:56
Speaker
it's a little easier to see the development and that's where the housing element is probably going to be is on the west side of the property and that is a little bit closer to like you know the mall and some other stuff on that over and it's you know closer to trails and things like that and so um you know well
50th Anniversary and Rebranding Efforts
00:31:15
Speaker
It's not exactly in the middle of an activity of a lively area, but it could be if you write 3000 homes there. Right. Exactly. And, and the other part of it, like we've talked about on this show before I feel like we've devoted quite a bit of time on this over the years.
00:31:34
Speaker
But I'm really, really excited, like genuinely excited about the process that the sounders are going through in this march, this thing they dubbed March to the 50th, which is essentially reimagining their visual brand identity and seeking feedback from fans. I think that it was long overdue, but I think it's good at the same time that they're waiting until the 50th anniversary.
00:32:03
Speaker
And I had a funny thought experiment that I had with my wife today. I was telling her about what the sounders are doing, and she's like, oh my God, why haven't they changed the crest? The crest's beautiful.
00:32:17
Speaker
And I said, okay, let me, let me do this thing and I pulled up the crest on a website and I just showed it to him like, okay, look at the, it's two shields, they're interlocking. What are those shields mean to you? I don't know. Look at all these curved lines and sharp edges. What do you think those are representing? I don't know. And it's like, okay, look at the font.
00:32:37
Speaker
And it's like three different font sizes, all jammed together. And some of them have flares on them and some of them don't. It's a mess of a logo. And by the end of it, she said, you're ruining this for me now, they have to change it. And I feel like most people, if they honestly look at it,
00:32:57
Speaker
And especially if you try to use it in any way that isn't literally sitting on a jersey, you find that it's really not a modern mark in any way.
00:33:13
Speaker
It's not. No, I mean, to me, it's... Do you remember there was that band that did that song in like 2010 and they made like a music video? Grammar Train. Yes. That crest reminds me, like, it evokes that time period for me because it just feels very much of that time period.
00:33:33
Speaker
And maybe that wouldn't be the worst sin if that time period didn't have really horrible aesthetics just in general, but that's like a personal thing, right? Some people like that design aesthetic good for them, but you're right that like on an, from an objective standpoint, it has huge problems. And even if what they do is just a
00:33:59
Speaker
It's exactly the same concept. They just fix all of those problems that you've laid out. That takes a huge improvement. What's the concept? I think the other thing that bugs me about it is nothing about that crest actually says there was an overarching concept. It, to me, just looks like a piece of art that someone constructed that they thought, OK, we could turn this into a soccer logo, and we'll slap whatever name on it.
00:34:26
Speaker
they decide and I think that's what really bugs me is that there I don't I don't think there's any like I know that they they said like oh the two shields represent like the community and the club or something like that but other than that I don't know that there any of the elements mean anything
00:34:45
Speaker
They don't. I don't think they do. To me, I think somebody asked me what I hated about it, and I said that it, to me, looks like somebody trained a machine learning algorithm to design the most 2008 MLS looking crest imaginable. And that's, to me, what it looks like. It just screams that era, and
00:35:06
Speaker
I don't know. I just I think they can do better. I think this is a time where it makes sense for them to do better. I know what direction I'd like them to go in. And that's a personal preference thing. But like, I feel like there are a lot of people that just insist to know that it's like objectively good. Why would they want to change it? It's perfect how it is. And those people do not live on the same planet as I do. It's just not good aesthetically. And
00:35:35
Speaker
I think it was like it said, it looked like they designed the logo before they came up with the name. Yes. And I think that that's probably true. I think that that rings true for me.
00:35:50
Speaker
I will say if there's one defense of the logo, and I don't think this is actually a defense of the logo, I think it might be the oldest mark in MLS. Like Toronto FC might have, I'm trying to figure out if Toronto FC has altered their crests. They very slightly altered it in like 2011, I think.
00:36:10
Speaker
The rapids haven't changed. There's too much. I don't think RSL hasn't changed. There's like, there's a lot. Yeah. RSL has definitely changed it somewhat. I don't know. And maybe the rapids might be older. You're right. FC Dallas hasn't changed. There's too much since then. I don't think. But but I would like I think even if the sounders just change it that little to where it's just like a very slight modernization and refresh, I think that's a huge improvement.
00:36:41
Speaker
Yeah. Like if they can change their crest as much as like, I don't know, the rapids have. Cause I do think the rapids have kind of changed theirs a little bit. I think that would be better. Obviously I'd prefer they go a little more drastic than that, but. Yeah. And I'm not like, I've seen a lot of people attempting to design graphics or design logos that they like better. I've seen a lot that I liked. I've seen a lot more that I didn't really like. And I think that is somewhat, it's not so much,
00:37:09
Speaker
Picking a better crest though that is, for me, it's, I want to have purpose, and I think that one of the things that really struck me in talking to people in the organization is that that 2008 crest is, and that's when it was released.
00:37:26
Speaker
was not, was designed almost explicitly without regard to any of the past, of the club's past. And I think that, and that was designed by someone that MLS hired. It doesn't, like Adrian wasn't really involved in it. The Sounders didn't have a lot of employees, frankly. Like they had less than, I think a dozen employees at the time. So it wasn't like they had an in-house designer that was doing this. They weren't going out and hiring.
00:37:55
Speaker
a design firm, it was, you know, like someone putting this together sort of like, and at the time I think people liked it. And it was, yeah, it worked great for the time, but it's time has come. And I think what the sounders should do is what they are doing, which is trying to understand what they want their crest to say to the world.
00:38:20
Speaker
And and this is like the most visual element of that statement is your crest. That's what most people are going to see. That's the way that you're, you know, like you can you can call it silly to worry about this stuff, but it is how you become
00:38:40
Speaker
relevant. It's the way people interpret your brand. And, you know, like, I don't know, I guess there's a modern football, something about modern football in there, but I think this is a good process. I'm happy.
00:38:56
Speaker
Yeah. And I think so far very early, but I feel like they're going about it in the right way. They're not poisoning the well. They're not coming out and saying, we think our crust is shitty and we want to change it. What do you think we should do? Like they're asking pointed questions. It's all marketing speak. And that stuff is all super annoying and like corny. But you can kind of understand what they're trying to get at here. Right. I think they're trying to understand what people want.
00:39:22
Speaker
out of a crest. And I think there is a segment of the fan base that really wants the sounders to just come out and say like, we can't use the Space needle because the Space needle creates too many trademark issues. And if it was that simple, I think the sounders would just say that. I don't think it's that.
00:39:40
Speaker
I'm sure that that is a benefit. I'm sure that they'll be happy about that. But what it comes down to for me is that I know a lot of people that are die hard to understand that don't even buy merch anymore because they dislike the aesthetic of the team that much.
00:39:58
Speaker
That's not good. No, it's not. I own a lot of sounders stuff. I'm wearing a sounders sweater right now. It is a throwback to the U.S.L. era. It is like I think a really cool little design. I think that it's not literally the U.S.L. crest. I don't think the center should literally use the U.S.L. crest or like anything
00:40:22
Speaker
any literal elements from the U.S.L. or even maybe the N.A.S.L. crest, but I think they should draw inspiration from those two things. Yeah. And I would love to see all three eras of the of the sounders represented in the crest in one way or another. I really want to see some reference to 1974 in the crest. I want to see references to the natural beauty of this region.
00:40:48
Speaker
whether that be to Homa or the sound or something else, I am less married, also open to landmarks like the Space Needle or I don't know, like a ferry. But yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of possibilities out there and
00:41:11
Speaker
I'm excited to see when this starts producing things that we can actually debate. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just happy. We've been talking about this for years on this show, and I'm very happy that it looks like there's some movement in that direction. And to hear people from the club almost sound explicitly like they share a lot of our feelings on that is a little bit of vindication, it feels like.
00:41:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's deeply vindicating, I think. Yeah. And who knows? Maybe it all goes off the rails. And in a year, we're like, oh, we didn't know what we were doing. But honestly, I don't think we can end up with something worse, to be honest with you. I think there is a lot of, I know we've been talking about this for a long time, and it's
Sounders' Strategic Decision Making
00:42:05
Speaker
time for a break. But I will just say, there's a lot of fear that
00:42:08
Speaker
whatever comes out of this is going to be worse and that there have been bad rebrands in MLS. And so they don't, there's a desire to not change because of that. And if you like the crust, I can certainly understand that position, but for me, well, it could go bad. It's just like a really bad reason not to do something.
00:42:28
Speaker
Well, and it's, I think it's also runs completely antithetical to the way the sounders have run their organization. Like, this is an organization that I think has rightfully gained a lot of benefit of the doubt. They've done a lot right. They've done a lot more right than they have wrong. And.
00:42:48
Speaker
if they were scared of change because things could get worse, I don't think they would be anywhere close to where they are success wise, because it's a lot easier just to resign everyone every year and never look for ways to get better. You know, like I'll use a recent example, you know, Ozzie Alonzo was still playing pretty well when the sounders made a very hard decision not to bring them back.
00:43:17
Speaker
And he's played, he's going to be going on to his third year. And I'm sure it would have been really tempting to just let Ozzie Alonzo play it out here. But they've, I think you wouldn't have Jau Paulo. And I think you'd have a really hard time making the case that keeping Alonzo would have been better than signing Jau Paulo.
00:43:41
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. I think that the sounders are very good about making the hard decisions, knowing when to be ambitious. And I think they're not afraid of making bold decisions, but they are also thorough in the decisions that they make. And I think especially over the last four or five years,
00:44:06
Speaker
It seems like they've gotten really, really good at this stuff. They've always been better than most MLS teams, but I think in general, like the emphasis they've put on the community elements of the clubs, the connection to the fan base, things like that. They've earned a lot of goodwill over the past four or five years, I think. Yep. Well, I think that's a good place to call this a segment. We're going to come back, answer your questions. You're listening to No Study at This.
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00:45:12
Speaker
Welcome back to Nos Adietes. We got a few questions for you guys that we're going to get answering. Aaron, you want to go ahead and start? Yeah, I'll start. This one's not a question, but it is true. It's from M.G. Amini. Not a question, just looking at our neighbors south of Seattle and feeling even more grateful we've got Hanauer. That is undeniably true.
00:45:34
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know how much people have been following that situation down there but it's, it's right now, looking like quite a mess without getting into too much of it. It's, you know, to the degree that that the timbers always seem to have a mess when it's relating to ownership.
00:45:57
Speaker
this is a bit more concerning and definitely, I told Adrian this and I mean it, I think the sounders are far from perfect, but I do think that as far as sports organizations go, they tend to operate, like I think it's notable that they started a lot of this social justice stuff before,
00:46:23
Speaker
Uh, the pandemic hit and it air, you know, it's like, I think a lot of this stuff comes from honest places and they are, you know, they're trying to, to, to be better and they try to hold themselves accountable. And I think that's that's good.
00:46:39
Speaker
It feels like the sounders took from the iron front kerfuffle some introspection and a desire to get better and Merritt Paulson took from it. I can be as big of a dick as I want to these people and people still come to the games. Right. Yeah. And I would say that's fair. Yeah. The next one, or do you want to, go ahead.
00:46:59
Speaker
Oh, you can ask this. This one probably a better one for me to answer. That is true. So this one's from Kenny Sloth 253. Any update on Jordi Dilem? Alex Villanueva contract. Maybe someday we can have a round up of former sounders overseas. I know Sam Rogers just got a big move.
00:47:16
Speaker
Yeah, so, uh, Jordy Dylan was apparently out at training today. I haven't been to training for a couple of weeks, mainly because the centers weren't here, but I haven't been out there this week. But yeah, Jordy Dylan has been out there. I don't know.
00:47:31
Speaker
how, you know, he's still a ways off from being back so I don't think the cylinders are in any rush to sign him. Alex Villanueva, I have not heard what's going on with him outside, like I don't know if he's, I assume he's still on trial with LAFC, but the season's getting pretty close so I would imagine that situation is going to be
00:47:51
Speaker
clarified one way or the other relatively soon, the Sounders suddenly have a bit more of a open space for him on the roster. If he wanted to come back, I would imagine they would be open to that possibility. But yeah, Sam Rogers just made a big move to, I think it's Rosenberg, which is like the big club in Norway, right? Yeah, one of the bigger clubs. It's the most historically successful club. They play in the biggest stadium there.
00:48:18
Speaker
He was over at Hamcam playing in their second division. He helped them earn promotion. He got a new contract when they got promoted. And then he got transferred for a fair amount of money. It sounds like close to a million dollars to go to Rosenberg. So, you know, good on him. Trey Wingo is the other notable former sounder that's in Europe right now. He is with a Hungarian club whose name I'm blanking on.
00:48:48
Speaker
But they've been in, you know, they had been in Champions League before last year, last year, in fact, and he seems to be he's getting regular playing time. I don't I don't remember. I haven't looked him up too recently. And then, of course, the Andre Edlin now back in in Miami. I don't think there's any other former sounder or shouldn't say that local players. There are former sounders in Europe, but
00:49:15
Speaker
play rules with like real local ties I think those are the those were the three but yeah it's um Sam Rogers be one the pride the one that's most notable to kind of will probably be tracking his his progress as those things go uh if you the sounders don't uh aren't getting anything from his transfer unless maybe they got a small uh fee for uh solidarity payments but
00:49:41
Speaker
They still do own his MLS rights if you were to ever come back to MLS, so I don't know how open he'd be to come in here. It doesn't sound like that they left things on the best of terms, but you never know. Time tends to heal all wounds. Absolutely. Yeah, that'll be interesting to watch. I was surprised when I saw that, but defenders are weird. They have weird aging curves, so who knows. Yeah.
00:50:06
Speaker
Well, this one is from Bill Jones TRPT. We look ridiculously good as a team on paper. What are the reasons I should tamp down my expectations for this season?
00:50:16
Speaker
Yeah, I mean for me the only things that really give me pause are you've got a lot of players, and I feel like this is a pretty consistent theme with the sounders you've got a lot of players that are entering into the stage of their career where they can take drops, where they can, you know, just start to decline.
00:50:36
Speaker
where injuries become more of a concern. They've got key players with some of those concerns. I don't have any particular concerns with anyone outside of Nico. I think that's going to be one to watch. That's the big wild card. If Nico is able to get back to where he was and be reasonably consistent with his availability, then yeah, I think it's going to be really hard for this team to be stopped. But
00:51:00
Speaker
I think it's reasonable to have some concerns about that. So, you know, I don't think there's any reason to think that guys like JP or Rudy Diaz are going to start to slip at all, but it's possible, you know, at their age, they're definitely on the back end of their, of their peak years. So that's it for me. That's always a concern with a veteran team is that, you know, guys just all get old at once, but it's not a huge concern for me.
00:51:27
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'd say the biggest, I share those concerns to the degree that I'm concerned is that, you know, a lot of the expectations are resting on the idea of what if we just added Nico Ledero Albert Rusnak and Jordan Morris to a team that was already really, really good. And that's a great starting point for raising your expectations, but there is reason to think that, you know, Nico won't ever return to his former form.
00:51:54
Speaker
Uh, we, it's probably worth keeping in mind that Jordan Morris needed, you know, a year to really get fully back last time. Uh, and Albert Rusnak has, has never been on, you know, he, we, you know, I don't know if he was the most reliable player, uh, like he wasn't perfect. So like, you know, any one of those three players don't really pan out and.
00:52:17
Speaker
you know, I could see the season not going well. I don't, I think the floor is pretty high for this team, but I could see there's a lot of reasons why they won't, you know, be one of the best MLS teams ever. Right. Yep. I think, uh, the, the biggest thing for me is that there was snack signing is definitely if he and Nico are both healthy, they're not going to get in each other's way. But if
00:52:39
Speaker
Niko does struggle. Then you the biggest knock against the team last year was they struggled to create when they were playing stronger teams or teams that were bunkered in and Roastnack provide some insurance against that. Yeah, next one from third string star. Do you expect this year to be the most rotatable squad we've ever had? Give veterans more time to sit and leaning more into the youth?
00:53:05
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it'll be, it's going to be an interesting one. I don't know that they will rotate quite as heavily as, like I tend to think these things sort of work themselves out more than
00:53:24
Speaker
We ever like to imagine like it's really easy to look at a roster on day one and imagine everyone healthy and available every game and then sort of like, well what's rotation going to look like when this team rotates, and that's all fine and good but like I don't remember a single time when.
00:53:42
Speaker
sounders got through a season and they got to just sort of rotate whenever it was convenient. Like it's almost always like forced rotation and the reality is that Brian is probably gonna use his starters whenever he can and when they're not available there's gonna be rotation. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't, I tend not to get too
00:54:07
Speaker
caught up in the idea of rotating lineups and more just kind of look at the general depth and think like, okay, this team should be able to compete on multiple fronts because even if they have injuries, they have players that can ably fill in. Yeah. I think, I think, you know, to piggyback kind of on what you said, the rotation tends to happen in chunks rather than this guy rests this week or this game or what have you. And, um, and that's, that's where I feel pretty good about this team and, you know, and their ability with guys like Robert Vargas and, and, uh,
00:54:37
Speaker
a lot of the other kids that have come through in the last few years is like those guys can play a month of somebody strains a hamstring or something and not have it be the end of the world. And that's to me more exciting than guys getting a little bit more of a rest because it just doesn't tend to work out that way.
00:54:54
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I mean, as much as as much fun that is. This is from D underscore height talk formations and players 4231 versus 442 diamond. I assume he also would like to know what you think of the 342. What do you what do you what do you think? What do we most likely to see? I think that the three at the back is probably done for and I'm frankly pretty happy about it. Not for any.
00:55:23
Speaker
analytical reasons, I just don't like it. I don't like watching it. I think it made perfect sense tactically last year. I think it worked really well for a lot of last year, but all things being equal, I would rather not see it and see the teams that I like play it just because it's not my bag. I think the 4-2-3-1 or thereabouts is probably going to be the more common shape. I think that's the personnel. I think I'm sure we'll see some 4-4-2.
00:55:49
Speaker
as well. The Sounders do have three guys that are capable of, you know, playing as at a starter level, a tracker. So that's a nice little bonus to have. And it's always, you know, there are always going to be times where things aren't working and the coach wants to mix it up a little bit. So I expect we'll see some 442, but I think
00:56:08
Speaker
you know, that four, four, one, one, four, two, three, one, whatever you want to call it, shape is probably going to be what we see the most. And I think we're probably going to see it be a little bit unbalanced, but probably not as much in years past. I think the days of everything going down the left are probably over with, you know, some recent personnel changes. So should be a pretty, I think, orthodox look to the team this year. It's been a while since we've been able to say that.
00:56:38
Speaker
Yeah, I, I don't, I'm not quite as convinced that we have seen the last of the three back three man for a back line in part because as long as new who's there, I think there's always going to be some temptation to use him, but I don't think we're going to see that formation a ton. Well, I guess we might see, we might see Kellen Rowe playing as a left wing back, but I was thinking that without Jimmy Madranda, they don't have really an obvious player to play left wing back, which is,
00:57:09
Speaker
you know, kind of a problem. But I think we will see mostly four, two, three, one. And I think that probably plays to the roster strengths the most. You know, they have some natural wingers. They have, you know, I think one way to think about it is in order to use three center backs, that means you're effectively pulling a midfielder off. And I don't know that the sounders are going to be
00:57:41
Speaker
better off with one fewer midfielder than otherwise. Like I think that they're going to want to use, they have a lot of, like between Morris, Lidero, Rusnak, Ciao Paolo, and Christian Roldan, you'd have to sit one of them in order to get three center backs on. And I don't see that happening. Yeah, I agree. I think
00:58:07
Speaker
There's always that possibility that you're going to see it occasionally, but I do think that it's going to be rarer than, you know, probably even a 4-4-2 would be. Next one is from Burdo Scott. I know my answer to this question, but I'm very curious to hear yours. Who will record more assists this season, Ladero or Rusnak? I mean, I tend to think it's going to be Rusnak in part because I think he's going to play a lot more minutes. Yeah. And that's also my answer.
00:58:36
Speaker
Yeah, I would love to say Lidero. And I think if he stays healthy all year, he will. But I'm just, I just think that Rusnak based on history, like even when Lidero has been mostly healthy. He hasn't played as much as Rusnak does when he's mostly healthy. Yeah, I think.
00:58:59
Speaker
I would love, like you, I would love to be wrong about that because I think it means Nico is back to, you know, 2017-ish Nico, but just doesn't seem super likely to me, unfortunately. But hey, that's why we signed a guy, right? Yep, that's exactly it. Let's see.
00:59:22
Speaker
This is from SSU Richard M. What's the best place to grab a fight before a defiance match? And I guess we have to assume he means in Tacoma. Yeah, I would assume so. Well, I'll tell you, there's not a lot there. So the answer is probably my house because I can just, you know.
00:59:42
Speaker
have something to eat before I go, uh, cause it's pretty close to my house, but, uh, there's a taco truck across the street at the Fred Meyer. That's there most of the time. That's good. Um, if you're, if you're, you know, if you're mobile, um, it's pretty close to the, if you're driving or what have you, it's pretty close to six tabs. So you can always grab right at the red hot or, um, that, that kind of thing. Uh, red hot's always a winner. Um, but it is, it's in a weird spot because it's not that it's like.
01:00:10
Speaker
Genie is not far from stuff. It's just not close to anything, if that makes sense. It's just kind of in its own little weird spot. But yeah, there's a million good places on Sixth Ave. You can grab food if you're driving. You can always go to Beer Star and get a pretzel, and then head on down to the stadium. You can probably walk there from Beer Star. So there are options. But yeah, if you're just driving to the stadium and hoping to find something
01:00:40
Speaker
grab on foot. It's pretty much the taco truck or the friend buyer deli, which I do not recommend. All right. And I don't really have any suggestions there unless, uh, because I don't know the area around Chini particularly well, but I will note that we're probably going to have some games at Starfire. Uh, we may have a double header or two at Lumen,
01:01:05
Speaker
And the prospects for food at Starfire are even slimmer than Tacoma, especially on a Thursday evening or whatever. So they don't even have that pizza there anymore because that doesn't exist. No, they have. They do have wood shed. I think I think it's called wood shed. Oh, really? OK, there's another. Yeah, there's another kind of like actually upgraded restaurant now. And that's not bad, then.
01:01:32
Speaker
Yeah. And so, yeah, that's that's not a bad option. And that's usually open when the when Starfires, when the stadiums open. So there you go. All right. Last one probably should have had you ask this one. But I don't know. Maybe you maybe you'll surprise me. No. If the sounders were an effects pedal, what would the pedal do? Well, I don't know. You tell me. Yeah.
01:02:00
Speaker
If you aren't aware, I've gotten back into playing guitar big time over the last couple of months. And so I thank Tim for this question. There are a lot of really bad pun answers that I could go with. You could say that there would be a compressor because they're so good at shrinking the field. You could say that there would be a boost pedal because they're just always working so much harder than everybody else. But I'm going to go with a ring modulator because they won so many trophies.
01:02:31
Speaker
Well, yeah, well done. Thanks. Pretty, pretty good. Terrible to huddle by any way. One of my least favorite kinds of petals, but I'm just that committed to puns. Yeah, well, I think you got to commit to a bit and see it through. So I appreciate the commitment. And, you know, this is the kind of stuff people have come to expect.
01:02:52
Speaker
the Higher Wire Act that is no study at this. Very bad content. Pulled off at the last second. Exactly. The hallmark of the show. Well, I'll just say I'm really excited about what Yacht-Con will be this summer. I hope people weren't too, like I just didn't, I think we all agreed that it wasn't quite right to get everyone together and it felt like doing an entirely digital
01:03:23
Speaker
event was going to fall a little flat. So hopefully people agreed with our choice to sort of do this hybrid thing that we're doing this year. And hopefully this is a decent start. Like I said, we've got a couple
01:03:37
Speaker
big interviews coming up in the coming days. But with that, I'm going to sign off. I should say thank you again to our sponsor Full Pulled Wines. But I'm Jeremiah O'Shan signing off for Lickett and Aaron. This is No Saudi Yet This. And remember, you'll never get alone.
01:03:56
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Green Douglas spur where the water's cut through. Down to wild mountains and tangents you flew. Canadian northwest to the ocean so blue. It's Roll On, Columbia Roll On. Roll On, Columbia Roll On. Roll On, Columbia Roll On. Your power is turning our darkness to dawn. Roll On, Columbia Roll On.
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