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2. First Person Shooter Weigh In
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In our new episode we look at classic first person shooter video games and compare and contrast their good points and bad points to determine who's picks will crowned the best. We go from Halo and Timesplitters 2 to Call of Duty, Bioshock and Titanfall. Who will win? Where does the FPS sit now in terms of pop culture? You will have to listen to find out!
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Episode Introduction
00:00:26
John Holt
Hello and welcome to episode two of the Media Mega Rumble where films, TV, video games and characters step into the ring and battle it out to see who will be crowned victorious.
00:00:43
John Holt
I mean, yeah, this is episode two, right? Yeah, we'll go with that.
00:00:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, I think I think so. It could be Yeah, we've got a lost
00:00:48
John Holt
Okay. Nevermind.
Topic Introduction: Classic FPS Games
00:00:52
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
episode already.
00:00:52
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And we're maybe
00:00:53
John Holt
uh let's let's move on moving on my name is john hold and with me is novelist and former writer for whatculture dot.com james brigginshaw how are you
00:01:05
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
i I am very well and I'm sitting as still as I can.
00:01:09
John Holt
I did notice that. all right Don't move. to today Today we are looking at classic first person shooters and comparing their good points and bad to decide who will emerge
00:01:24
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
know
00:01:26
John Holt
victorious. And that's out of James and I FYI. So this is kind of a weigh in of the first person shooters rather than a than a fight.
00:01:37
John Holt
And we determine between you and I's choices who goes through to some fictional UFC fight where they fight God, whoever God might be.
00:01:48
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah And Dana White claps us on.
00:01:50
John Holt
Yeah, exactly. So you ready to get to round one?
00:01:55
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
a Yeah, okay.
00:01:58
John Holt
okay
00:02:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I'm ready as I'll ever be.
00:02:02
John Holt
And here we go.
Highlight: Halo Combat Evolved
00:02:03
John Holt
So round one is James's pick, which is Halo Combat Evolved from what year James?
00:02:09
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
This was from the year of our Lord, 2001.
00:02:12
John Holt
Versus my choice, which is Call of Duty Modern Warfare, the original from I think it's 2006. Yeah.
00:02:20
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:02:21
John Holt
OK, so. Weighing in. Let's get some stats and some ah Let me yeah ah put our balls on the table when you go first.
00:02:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Well, my calls have been on the table this entire time.
00:02:37
John Holt
Give me a run down.
00:02:37
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So
00:02:38
John Holt
Give me a run down. Halo combat as well.
00:02:39
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Halo Combat Valve. So it came out in 2001. I can't remember if the remake slash remaster came out in 2012 or 2014, but it was ah part of the ah Halo Master Chief collection that came out in 2014, which for me is one of the best kind of games bundles ever, but I digest. So 2001 developed by Bungie and released by Microsoft.
00:03:08
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
uh on the uh an xbox exclusive now i'd cast your mind back to the last time you could truly truly say uh that uh xbox had an exclusive that never you know uh i don't think so yeah exactly i mean i to be honest i think it'll be only a matter of time before a halo property goes to sony but there we go um so this game was released to
00:03:21
John Holt
That don't happen no more.
00:03:30
John Holt
Yeah.
00:03:35
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
a staggering amount of acclaim. I mean ah it was famed kind of at the time where you know gaming in its kind of modern iteration was still quite new but it this was one of those games where websites you know gave it like a hundred out of a hundred and said this is literally the perfect game.
00:03:52
John Holt
Yeah.
00:03:55
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah Is it the perfect game? No. Is it the perfect first person shooter?
00:03:58
John Holt
Oh.
00:04:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yes and I think The thing that I've tried to rate this on, John, is two things. So one, you've got to have a strong campaign.
00:04:11
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And I think of all the games you and I have mentioned, but all all of them have a strong campaign. But where I think what tips something from
00:04:16
John Holt
Yeah.
Impact of Halo on Gaming
00:04:19
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah great into kind of legendary or forever living the pantheon of of great game design is
00:04:27
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
How good is a multiplayer and how accessible is a multiplayer? And I mean, again, it's
Highlight: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
00:04:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
kind of too much to cover here almost with Halo, but and the multiplayer is it's really iconic. ah Obviously now everything, especially with the remastered Halos, everything's online, but like for Halo, although you could play online, I believe in some limited capacity,
00:04:53
John Holt
Yeah.
00:04:54
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
i will always kind of know this game through you know just having a good old four players split screen and it yeah had some of the best um level designs for example there's a level called boarding action where there's two sides uh of a level in the middle there's a big space chasm and in order to jump from each side you get in various teleports and you get a sniper rifle and you just be like king of that level so
00:05:17
John Holt
Yeah.
00:05:24
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Some of my best memories growing up are playing,
00:05:29
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah, so literally, I mean, and then driving a warthog down Blood Gulch and I'm just firing at the fucking cliffs and then I got shot in the head.
00:05:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Like, it's just so many, you know, this this game kind of started the the meme before it was a meme because they had like, that I think it was Red Team versus Blue Team and it became an invitation
00:05:50
John Holt
oh yeah
00:05:51
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Again, there's so much here that I'm gonna try and really condense it down. So multiplayer is is fantastic. You know, back in the good old days of like, ah couch, multiplayer, it's the co-op's great and fairly seamless as well.
00:06:06
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
The campaign is you know meaty, there's a lot to get into, there's alternate routes through levels, there's some of the best enemy designs you've ever had in levels, some of the best story.
00:06:17
John Holt
Oh yeah.
00:06:17
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
you know It definitely takes where's its heart on its sleeve in terms of influences like Starship Troopers, and mainly Starship Troopers. There's also quite a big bit of Warhammer lore in there. It's got some of the some really iconic characters, so the Master Chief and Cortana. ah There's few kind of better kind of gaming duos, if you like. It's a really well-written script.
00:06:42
John Holt
Mm hmm.
00:06:42
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah
Influence of Modern Warfare
00:06:43
John Holt
Mm hmm.
00:06:43
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Even though there's a remaster, the original still holds up really well in terms of, I mean the remaster is pretty much a shot for shot remake, but the original is still very much playable and in the remake you get to switch between kind of the polished version and you can switch back seamlessly between that and the original Halo so you can truly see kind of where the contrast is.
00:07:05
John Holt
and
00:07:06
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah and And I think as well, this this game's importance cannot be understated enough. The Xbox was pretty much dead on arrival until, ironically, it was a release title.
00:07:19
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
When this release, this was including myself, I bought an Xbox just to play Halo and i actually had to have my Xbox taken away by my parents because I played it so much.
00:07:28
John Holt
And... Really?
00:07:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, and this single-handedly saved the Xbox, you know, the PS2 slash three. I think Sony by that point was kind of, you know, it's still in the ascendancy, but Xbox was able to keep ah kate kind of abreast or more or less abreast of them because of this game. And then obviously you had Halo 2, Halo 3, which those games were kind of juggernauts in their own right. but You know, and I think as well this game, again, there's just so much to talk about it, but I think if you take anything away from this is a, yeah, pretty much kept Microsoft in the console war, but also Halo is what I would define as like the prototype for the modern shooter. So what happens when we cover them, but I would say all of the games that I'll listen
00:08:22
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
probably all the games that you list are directly or indirectly influenced by Halo, if it's not necessarily for the straight gameplay or campaign, but like some of the the the the shooting mechanics, even things take for granted, like some of the reloading action, some of the user interface kind of stuff. um I mean, ah yeah, I could just go on about this game forever. I just think it is... the It's just modern shooting kind of redefined. And as I say, this has been a template for everything going forward. And it's so iconic. And I think it should be revered and celebrated as much as it was back then. And I think it is.
Debate: Halo vs. Modern Warfare
00:09:05
John Holt
okay interesting because you told me pre this halo combat evolved and i thought that was something else but you're talking about the original halo on the original xbox which which i have actually played so this throws me for another loop yeah i thought you meant like oh combat evolved was like the third one or something like that
00:09:10
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Uh-oh. Mm.
00:09:19
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yes, so yeah. did did you think i meant like Did you think I meant like a kind of spin off?
00:09:32
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
it It's weird because I always called it Halo. But when I was yeah but when i was kind of looking looking up at it looking up at it, it wasn't like
00:09:35
John Holt
you united Yeah,
00:09:42
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
above me. When I was researching it I did see it and to be fair on the original know cases and stuff in 2001 it does say Halo Combat Evolved. It doesn't quite roll off the tongue but that is its kind of full name.
00:09:55
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah
00:09:55
John Holt
Interesting. So like this is on the original Xbox and I was thinking while you were talking, absolutely I was listening to you, but like what I thought was so like With the original Xbox, I feel like a couple of Halo games come out of that during its life cycle.
00:10:14
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yes, so you had Halo 2, you had Halo 3. You might have had Halo ODST. No, that might have been on a 360, but you definitely had Halo 2, which is arguably is good.
00:10:26
John Holt
Yeah.
00:10:28
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And then Halo 3, which got mixed reactions, but I thought it was really good.
00:10:31
John Holt
Okay. So what was? Because during this period, I'm not really much of a gamer, if I'm honest. Like the only way I played Halo was round a mate's house and I didn't like literally play it through to completion.
00:10:44
John Holt
I didn't even know it had an online thing. I just played a little bit of the campaign and that was it.
00:10:48
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:10:50
John Holt
But like with the PlayStation 2, what was the first person shooter equivalent that was exclusive to the PlayStation 2? Was there anything?
00:11:01
John Holt
Maybe a game we're going to reference in a bit, but I don't want to spoil it.
00:11:04
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, possibly. I mean, my second choice came out a year later and I oh goodness me I can't remember if this game came out on xbox I want to say it did but I can't no that's that's a very good question though I'd like to see yeah I might have a have a look afterwards and just see what the what the ps2
00:11:18
John Holt
OK. All right.
00:11:32
John Holt
It must have been something, but I can't for the life of me place whatever what it was.
00:11:36
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
The only thing, I can't think of what it was p s two on over for I know for PS3, they had Killzone, which was a lot more kind of influence.
00:11:43
John Holt
Oh, Killzone. The original Killzone was a PlayStation 2 game, but it was very, very late in the life cycle, and I think it was a kind of reaction to Halo, if I'm honest.
00:11:49
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh, that was PlayStation 2, wasn't it? Yeah.
00:11:57
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Hmm. Yeah, and that I think had similar, shared a lot of qualities like it had that kind of, that American macho militarism slash war hammer, dark, grim dark humor.
00:12:08
John Holt
Yeah, I mean, Killzone 2 literally nearly made my list. It is a stunning game.
00:12:13
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It really, really ahead of its time.
00:12:13
John Holt
It's so good.
00:12:16
John Holt
Yeah, it really was.
00:12:17
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It's great.
00:12:18
John Holt
Yeah. Okay, well, now I'm slightly scared ah the um no gonna that I'm not match up to the stats of Halo and the impassioned argument that you just made.
00:12:23
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
to Do your worst.
00:12:31
John Holt
So I'm gonna push forward my fighter. I'm like, hey, mister, here's my fighter. easy on me so my champion of round one is call of duty modern warfare now let me tell you a little story i was not as i just referenced during the playstation 2 xbox original era i was not much of a gamer i kind of played any sort of Marvel vs.
00:13:04
John Holt
Capcom or ah random racing game. I played odd Resident Evil games here and there. I really wasn't into it that much. I think like when Enter the Matrix came out, I played it straight through in like one day.
00:13:19
John Holt
I think that's as fanatical as I got.
00:13:21
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I mean, great game.
00:13:23
John Holt
yeah but so the playstation 3 came along and i remember playing it around mates house and i was like right i've got to get one of these so i got the playstation 3 with the big 42 inch hd screen tv in around about 2007 i want to say and so i was all set up i was like this is excellent now i don't think it was it was such an epiphany for me because
00:13:36
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh.
00:13:51
John Holt
like having it hooked up to that big TV with the HDMI cable and that level of clarity and then playing Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, literally just playing the beginning when you're playing is like soap in the campaign and you're getting shouted at and you have to do like, it's like basically a training course, isn't it?
00:14:09
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, and you did the assault course, yeah.
00:14:11
John Holt
That's the one, yeah.
00:14:12
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and
00:14:12
John Holt
So like literally, it was such a massive jump like between the generations. I really felt it. And I had a little panic attack. I'm not going to lie.
00:14:23
John Holt
like a problem like I was drinking a lot of Mountain Dew at the time, but like I had the jitters, let's say.
00:14:25
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:14:32
John Holt
The jitters. So once I got over my fear, I sort of cruised through the main game in no time at all because those campaigns are only like four hours, something like that.
00:14:43
John Holt
It was a good time.
00:14:46
John Holt
I can't remember the story. I think you like going to get some terrorist figure or something like that.
00:14:51
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah
00:14:51
John Holt
Story doesn't really didn't really matter to me that much because I was so sort of like in awe of the action of the the way that it controlled of the graphics and all that, that it really didn't matter.
00:15:03
John Holt
Where I really got obsessed was with the online play, like obsessed with it.
00:15:07
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah
00:15:10
John Holt
Like I didn't do like triple platinum or whatever people do, but I played it like religiously for a good like year, like two hours a day, easy.
00:15:19
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:22
John Holt
And I got like, I can still hear like sound effects in my head. I could see the maps.
00:15:26
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:15:28
John Holt
I just it's all like up there. It's just burned in my memory, like just places to hide weapons to pick all that stuff. And it was just like awesome.
00:15:36
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah
00:15:38
John Holt
It was just absolutely awesome. And i yeah, a level of realism that we sort of take for granted now. But back then it was so like revelatory. And I think like that was like the fourth Call of Duty game, like technically.
00:15:51
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, well, it was because you had Call of Duty t one, two and three, which were all World War Two. So this was obviously it's called modern warfare for it.
00:15:56
John Holt
Yeah.
00:15:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So it speaks to itself. but It's such a such a huge shift away. And it's not even, you know, it's not even just like, oh, this is a new battlefield, which it was. But there was a lot of, you know, kind of Cold War stuff and a lot of stuff, you know, behind enemy lines and stuff.
00:16:07
John Holt
yeah yeah and that's the thing like
00:16:11
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It was still on a grand scale. But it's like, oh, here's the kind of story behind the stories that you hear. It's ah phenomenal.
00:16:20
John Holt
Because I think like Medal of Honor was sort of similar and I felt almost like Call of Duty was almost like a cash-in for like Medal of Honor and Battlefield like you just mentioned.
00:16:32
John Holt
So for it to suddenly become in its fourth game like this transformative experience and then just basically be a blockbuster franchise. I mean it's still going now and it's crazy the level of devotion this thing has even like what are we like 20 years on?
00:16:47
John Holt
Easy?
00:16:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:48
John Holt
20 plus? um So yeah, I mean, I was a Call of Duty loyalist due to this game. I bought every game for the next eight years. I think I skipped Modern Warfare 3.
00:17:01
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah that one of the black ops ones oh that was not great and then i think a lot of people dropped off there
00:17:02
John Holt
And then I checked out around 2015 when that one with Kevin Spacey came out. I think that was... No, it was called Advanced Warfare.
00:17:16
John Holt
Yeah, so I dropped off then. um And I'd say, again, going back to the narrative, it's only narratively OK. I think Modern Warfare 2's narrative is much better. And Black Ops, the original, that narrative is superb.
00:17:30
John Holt
um So for the nostalgia factor alone, this is my choice for a classic first person shooter. um I still actually have it downloaded on my PS4 and I still go back to it every now and then.
00:17:43
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
aye I have it somewhere. I would also say as well, yeah, the campaign isn't, ah you know, as iconic as a lot out there. However, I will give you two examples, at least I hope it's from Modern Warfare that I think hopefully you will make people think that the campaign is actually pretty top tier. So the first one I would say is when that nuclear bomb goes off,
00:18:06
John Holt
That's from Modern Warfare 2.
00:18:08
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Bollocks, are you sure? Oh, no.
00:18:10
John Holt
Yeah. No, I really remember that being a big deal and I remember my mate being like, yeah, it's so good.
00:18:17
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Okay, all right. Well, this this one, please, God, please go from this, be from the first game, where you have the ah sniper sni a bit in a Chernobyl.
00:18:27
John Holt
Yep, that's Mon Morphet. That's the one where you shoot the guy and literally it doesn't matter where you hit him, his arm still flies off.
00:18:36
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah. And the guy's like, ah oh, you've got to use a Coriolis effect. And I was like, what the fuck is a Coriolis effect? And how does some like random like Scottish sniper dude know anything about the Coriolis effect?
00:18:48
John Holt
Yeah.
00:18:48
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
But there were, you know, that that whole kind of those first few levels where it's like you're in, you know, some, I guess, some generic country in the Middle East, like that kind of, like it felt like you're in black walk down.
00:19:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Like, I think as you say, where Call of Duty,
00:19:05
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah modern warfare probably outstrips the others is just its dedication to realism like you you do feel like you're there and you saying like oh I had a basically a panic attack slash PTSD doing that kind of thing like I get it and like the adrenaline when you're in the helicopter and stuff like it feels realistic and it feels like the attention to detail is there I'd also say it was the first Call of Duty that I could remember where it did have those really iconic characters like soap and
00:19:11
John Holt
Yeah.
00:19:27
John Holt
Yeah.
00:19:35
John Holt
The funny thing is, every single voice in Call of Duty, like I recognise and I could name the actor, like without even looking it up, like as soon as I played it, it was like, I'm Craig Ferberos.
00:19:41
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Really?
00:19:47
John Holt
I used to be in EastEnders and now I'm a pretend soldier.
00:19:51
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh, was one of the people Craig Fairbroughs?
00:19:54
John Holt
Yeah.
00:19:56
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
That's cool. I just remember him from one of those gangster films where he killed someone with a pizza cutter, so me someone.
00:20:02
John Holt
Yeah, he's done all right. And then I think like Liam Cunningham was in there, I'm pretty sure.
00:20:06
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yes and then as the series went on you had like ah Gary Oldman was in there like say Kevin for what it's worth World of War is probably my favorite
00:20:13
John Holt
he he was like Gary Oldman was like Demetri in Call of Duty, World at War, and Kiefer Sutherland is like the the American dude. Yeah, that was wicked.
00:20:29
John Holt
You know what? It's too janky. I played more of that game than I did Modern Warfare, but it's so janky.
00:20:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
a
00:20:36
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
interesting
00:20:38
John Holt
Like, really janky.
00:20:39
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I'll tell you what is amazing. and but No, okay. two Two more moments and make the campaign iconic. It's all coming back to me now, as Celine said. The bit on the ship at the beginning, fuck fucking dope.
00:20:51
John Holt
Yeah.
00:20:51
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
That's it, yeah.
00:20:52
John Holt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:53
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And then the second one, because I was so, the last mission, the Mile High Club, fucking...
00:20:59
John Holt
Oh, yeah.
00:21:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
like so so iconic like i could never finish that level and veteran i hated it and it's so broken but my girl i loved it loved every second of it like uh and yeah the multiplayer as well again this was one of those first kind of multiplayer game for it it felt like i don't know i don't want to over engineer it but it felt like you were like in another world it was like the first
00:21:04
John Holt
Yeah.
00:21:09
John Holt
yeah
00:21:24
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It was like one of the first online games where it's like, I could literally like live my life in this, in this mode, like, and then, you know, maybe it started a strange trend where people would wait for the multiplayer and then more resources.
00:21:31
John Holt
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:39
John Holt
Well, that's the thing. I was talking to someone at work about this when the last Call of Duty came out and he was like, no, I didn't even download that the the story. I just went straight to the multiplayer.
00:21:49
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, I don't get it.
00:21:49
John Holt
right These kids just don't even know they're born now. like What are you doing? like you Losing out on all of the nuance and the the riveting story of the Call of Duty franchise.
00:22:03
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
If you can't shoot AI driven generic Middle Eastern soldiers, who can you shoot?
00:22:08
John Holt
Yeah, you need to practice.
00:22:09
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
You know?
00:22:10
John Holt
That's the thing. I felt like the campaign was practice for the online.
00:22:15
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Well, they said that, didn't they? I don't know how true it was, but they said like, oh, like a lot of soldiers, like at certain levels where they had to play Call of Duty because it's so like realistic and this, that and the other.
00:22:27
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I don't know how true that was, but.
00:22:28
John Holt
Interesting. That wouldn't surprise me though.
00:22:30
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
it's just It's certainly built up the kind of mythos around the game. um Yeah, but great game.
00:22:36
John Holt
Definitely.
00:22:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I have no complaints for this one whatsoever. Great show.
00:22:41
John Holt
sweet Okay, well that's a 20-minute fight or weigh-in rather done. We're both, even though we've just been standing on scales, we're very visibly sweaty. So what do you reckon?
Highlight: TimeSplitters 2
00:22:54
John Holt
Because I'm like, I'm swinging I'm swinging towards you. You won that round, if I'm honest, because I forgot so much about Halo and its impact.
00:23:02
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah
00:23:05
John Holt
And I think that that game kind of stands alone in its generational era.
00:23:10
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, I would say, yeah, for me, I think i think Halo is a clear winner. However, I think in any other generation, modern warfare would be the winner. It's like the ultimate warrior of its generation.
00:23:29
John Holt
Yeah, but it's not.
00:23:30
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
but
00:23:30
John Holt
That's the thing like.
00:23:32
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It's the best of the rest, basically.
00:23:33
John Holt
OK, this is going to sell things. Halo, the original, does it have a the grappling hook and B, does it have the warthog?
00:23:44
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
has a warthog it uh halo infinite had the grappling hook i believe but the warthog is still like the one oh i mean all the vehicles you didn't even i didn't even touch in any of the vehicles and stuff so
00:23:48
John Holt
OK, all right. OK. OK.
00:23:58
John Holt
See vehicles. That's probably swung it for me.
00:24:04
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, and like, yeah, I i think Halo wins, but ah I don't think it, it's not like, I'm not like proud, it's be cool if you do like, I'm just, yeah, I'm just like, you know, it's just one of those banana skins where you're like, look, that you won, but there's no, you know, there's no glory in winning necessarily, like, okay, you've done well, and they've given you a few licks back, but you can't, don't rest on your laurels, Master Chief.
00:24:14
John Holt
I'm not proud. This is a hollow victory. Yeah, yeah.
00:24:30
John Holt
yeah well there's two more rounds so don't go peacocking out the ring just yet so james takes round one with halo combat evolved so let's move into round two which is time splitters two versus bioshock and so time splitters two i want to say this is from the year 2000 and
00:24:37
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
mincing with your big green soup.
00:24:58
John Holt
four
00:25:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Do you know what? I thought it was, but it was originally released in 2002. So what I didn't realize is I i picked all these games but and I found out the year afterwards.
00:25:08
John Holt
Oh, OK.
00:25:13
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And the other game I'm gonna talk about came out in 2002.
00:25:14
John Holt
Hmm.
00:25:16
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So clearly, like, I mean, what what a kind of heyday for ah for shooters. But yeah, I think Time Splitter 2 came out for PS2, GameCube,
00:25:30
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and i think it came out for xbox but like
00:25:34
John Holt
but I thought this was a PlayStation exclusive.
00:25:37
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Do you know, maybe it was, maybe I misremembered it. Maybe I was just so busy playing Halo that I i don't know.
00:25:42
John Holt
Hmm.
00:25:43
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, i think I think to be fair, you might be right.
00:25:46
John Holt
Hmm.
00:25:46
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and And also the reason why I chose this game is also a reason why I didn't pick what most people would say it would be the go-to default great shooter of all time.
00:25:57
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Because most people would say, in some form another GoldenEye 64, and I would, potentially agree with that. However, time splitters 2 is basically a far more demented version of GoldenEye64, but for the modern generation.
00:26:14
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So it shares...
00:26:14
John Holt
dude don't don't tap the table dude no no keep going just keep going
00:26:19
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Okay. Did do you need to repeat anything? Okay. i It was ah my demon that lives under my death's attack. It's quite So ah yeah, so TimeSplitters2 shares a lot of ah DNA with GoldenEye64.
00:26:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So there's this's got the same or similar sort of interface. Like if you go into the pause menu of TimeSplitters, it is pretty much exactly as the pause menu is for GoldenEye.
00:26:53
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I feel like it has a lot of the same...
00:26:56
John Holt
Yeah, this was this was a big multiplayer thing, wasn't it?
00:26:56
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
come
00:26:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It was a huge multi-player thing, but again, like,
00:27:00
John Holt
Yeah.
00:27:02
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and
00:27:04
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah, so, ah sorry, I was looking at the wrong one there. Yeah, and it's just, sorry, let me to start that again. So, Yeah, as I said, she had a lot of DNA with GoldenEye64 right down to, you had an odd job character who is small and and annoying and nobody could be him so the monkey he was small and annoying and nobody could be him, and Similar weapons as well, although there were lots of weapons from like across history, because that is a premise of time splits too, that I can't really remember the plot to be honest, but you have to go through time.
00:27:39
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
is different characters and fight lots of different enemies and lots of different cool worlds.
00:27:39
John Holt
Yeah.
00:27:43
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
He had like a cowboy world, an Aztec world, a kind of Victorian haunted world. And for those missions, you had different characters, ah yeah different weapons, different enemies, ah different kind of ways of playing through it.
00:27:58
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
The story was good, but multiplayer was an absolute blast. So and one of my favorite modes on that is one of my favorite modes of all time is where somebody, I can't remember but if it's called like zombie or something like that, but somebody set on fire, like green fire, and then they have to spread it. And then it spreads to each player until there's only like one left on the map. And it just, it's, it's, it's, there's a lot more kind of carnage to it than there is in, in GoldenEye, but there's ah just endless replay value. You've got loads of characters to unlock, loads of really cool weapons. You know, you can be on a cowboy town as an astronaut,
00:28:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
firing a crossbow like it's it's just that kind of um i don't know what you want to call it like rng or it it it just it was silly but it was it was it was really good uh and um yeah like i say a lot of the characters were very memorable and they felt quite meme-able like i remember me and my friends would always make jokes about uh
00:28:49
John Holt
Mm-hmm.
00:29:07
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
about some of the characters, like there was a guy called Hector Barbosa, who was a cowboy and we would call him Hector Barbouse. And that was, I mean, when I was 14, that was hilarious.
00:29:15
John Holt
and so
00:29:17
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Like we had hours of fun crying with laughter.
00:29:20
John Holt
peak hilarity.
00:29:21
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah. And while I think my argument for time splits too, maybe hasn't been as convincing as Halo, what I would say is for a friend's stag do, we went to like an internet or a gaming museum and there was a game
00:29:35
John Holt
We travelled through time and shot each other.
00:29:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah in real life.
00:29:39
John Holt
No, go on.
00:29:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And then we played the games. And then we played a GameCube and we put time splits too. in And it was incredible. but Like there was no like, no weird controllers.
00:29:52
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
like Oh, how does this be? Or how does it just go completely natural? Just slide straight back into it. The graphics still hold up.
00:29:57
John Holt
Hmm.
00:29:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
The kind of humor still holds up. And just the general bonkersness of it.
00:30:04
John Holt
Hmm.
00:30:04
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I mean, we all did a round where we all did like rocket launches only in like the hangar or something.
00:30:10
John Holt
Well, this sounds a lot like GoldenEye multiplayer.
00:30:10
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And we just...
00:30:14
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
That's the thing, man. that there are There are a lot more similarities. And I mean, there must have been developers who worked on both, but...
00:30:22
John Holt
Yeah.
00:30:22
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
There are so many similarities. And I think gameplay wise, I honestly don't think there's that much separating that and GoldenEye. GoldenEye did it first and on, frankly, worse hardware.
00:30:34
John Holt
Yeah.
00:30:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So fair enough.
00:30:35
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
But TimeSplit is too, I think. It's a bit of an underdog. I think it it holds its weight with the big boys, even though you wouldn't necessarily think of it first.
00:30:46
John Holt
Interesting. I mean, I have no familiarity with this game whatsoever. Outside of I had a mate who was obsessed with it, and I think it's the game they're playing in Shaun of the Dead.
00:30:54
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Hmm.
00:30:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yes, it is. Yeah.
00:31:00
John Holt
where Sean sits down and says, player one has entered the game and Ed goes, and you got work and then it goes, player one has exited the game.
00:31:08
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Funny joke, but my me being me, I was like, those sound effects aren't from that game.
00:31:08
John Holt
I think that's the game.
00:31:15
John Holt
Oh, really?
00:31:16
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
No, it doesn't say play one.
00:31:17
John Holt
He stood up and walked out. I am done with this charade.
00:31:20
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I I was that kind of guy uning where I would get drunk and then whenever we had talked about Shaun of the Dead, I'd be like, actually, that's not actually sound effects from the game. And I'd also be like, actually, Heath Ledger wasn't the best joker.
00:31:32
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So just a little insight into my life there.
00:31:35
John Holt
oh you're that guy okay i mean this game is popular like it's just been re-released on the playstation store weirdly enough like time split as one and two i don't think they've done remaster on it on it or anything like that they've just made it playable
00:31:35
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
That's the kind of play I was. Just enjoy.
00:31:41
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Hmm.
00:31:53
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I find it interesting, what is it that, did you just not have the the hardware for it? Or was it just, it wasn't your...
00:32:00
John Holt
No, I had a PlayStation 2. It's just during that period, again, where I was just like a very, very casual gamer, like not even casual. I wouldn't say even qualified. It was like literally one game a year.
00:32:13
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
just find it interesting that, and I just be genuinely interesting, not on like a psycho colors, yes I do. I find it funny interesting that you, Obviously with Halo, you like fair enough, I associate it with that.
00:32:26
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And I'd say time splitters, although not as revolutionary. I don't know. just It surprised me genuinely that you haven't played it. Not that there's anything where people can play whatever the fact they want.
00:32:36
John Holt
yeah ah so if it came out in 2002 literally that is the year i had six girlfriends it so i was i was a bit of a wow i wanted to be a player and then i was sort of like an accidental player and then i was just an idiot by the by the end of 2003 i was just like what have i done
00:32:45
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
All right, mate. Cheeses. Fucking hell.
00:33:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
The line between player and idiot is ah is a razor wire, is that thing?
00:33:03
John Holt
Yeah, I was literally that skinny kid in the pretty fly for a white guy video by the offspring.
00:33:10
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and that worked i I can see you pulling that look off and I can see why i can see why the woman went.
00:33:11
John Holt
Literally exactly him.
00:33:14
John Holt
Yeah, absolutely. When when I was like 22 or something like that. And yeah, so and even then, though, I was kind of like in in between girlfriends, I was kind of spending all my time like watching movies and listening to music, really.
00:33:32
John Holt
I was out a lot back then, like a lot.
00:33:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
hmm jesus
00:33:34
John Holt
I used to go to the pub like five nights a week. Can you imagine that now?
00:33:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
i think i'd develop like liver poisoning or yeah yeah yeah it's true i would be hung over but i'd still i'd still i'd still crack on but yeah
00:33:42
John Holt
Yeah, I did that for like about six or seven years straight, just down the pub, like every night, even Monday. And I just went to work the next day, like weren't no thang.
00:33:57
John Holt
Oh, crackers.
00:34:01
John Holt
Anyway, I don't think you convinced me there, so I'm going to move on to my champion.
00:34:01
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
bring me kid is thinking about it
00:34:07
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I didn't think I did. As soon as I started speaking, I was like, ah, I've not really. Anyway, yes.
Highlight: Bioshock Narrative
00:34:13
John Holt
So this big daddy waddles into the weigh-in scales, immediately breaks it.
00:34:17
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah
00:34:21
John Holt
A ghostly little girl pops out his arse.
00:34:27
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
In a plunger and just goes, I need Adam.
00:34:30
John Holt
Yeah, so Bioshock came out on the PC originally in 2007, was then ported to the PlayStation and the Xbox, I want to say, in I think 2008, possibly 2009.
00:34:31
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Fucking Adam.
00:34:42
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:34:46
John Holt
I didn't play it till 2011, just purely on the recommendation of a mate. And this was a moment, even in 2011, when the game was like three years old, something like that. And I just went, wow.
00:35:02
John Holt
This is incredible. it It does something that I had not experienced in a video game up until that point. I'm sure there's plenty of examples you can show me at some point. But in terms of a narrative, so... Bioshock is technically a first-person shooter, but it has a lot in common with an RPG. It has a lot in common with a survival horror movie.
00:35:27
John Holt
but I'm sticking to it being a first-person shooter just because of the game mechanics. You do have a gun for most of it in your right hand and you have the left hand which is like
00:35:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
your your adam hand
00:35:42
John Holt
Yes, like embedded with various chemicals and things like that. And it's just like right from minute one when you descend down into ah the undersea kingdom of Rapture.
00:35:54
John Holt
And it's just like you're looking around and it's just there's all this stuff to see. There's all this detail. It's just incredible. It's like this retro 50s version of the future that's just gone terribly, terribly wrong with like gene splicing and all the rest of it.
00:36:07
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
your Adam hand, wait.
00:36:12
John Holt
Essentially now, like Rapture is a hidden kingdom. now It does some stuff with your character where it's a little bit born identity.
00:36:26
John Holt
and you're being like guided or manipulated by this voice on a radio where you always almost see the guy and then you don't see the guy and it's like you start to believe does the guy exist or does he don't want to spoil it but it does some amazing things in terms of pulling the rug out from under you um it's also got like really weird
00:36:39
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:36:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah
00:36:52
John Holt
Moral choices to it in that like and I'm not sure it made a difference to the ending. I've heard mixed reports I've only Okay, be yeah because ge because Yeah, you got these like little haunted girls with these glowing eyes and you can either like farm them for their majestic What you call it?
00:36:58
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I think else you you get two different endings spend on what you do to those little girls. Play the games for an alert, otherwise that sounds weird.
00:37:18
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
it's cool It's called Adam, the the magic, like hypoplasm or whatever it's called.
00:37:20
John Holt
Adam. That's it, yeah. You can either, like, harvest them for that and essentially kill them, or you can save them. Now, I chose to save every single one.
00:37:34
John Holt
And I feel like I still got the ending where they all jumped out of a blue well and fucked me up. But I could be misremembering it. That's how I remember it. I don't know.
00:37:44
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I saved everyone apart from all of them.
00:37:49
John Holt
What?
00:37:51
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I i killed them, John. I killed them all.
00:37:52
John Holt
Did you?
00:37:53
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Not just the men, but the women and the children.
00:37:55
John Holt
it and and Did you still get punished for? well I imagine you didn't get like rewarded for that though.
00:38:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Uh, no, I can't remember the ending now, but I, I, uh, it's been so long, but I, yeah, I don't think it was good. I think, and I think maybe it was one of those games where it's like, there's, it's like Silent Hill, like there's lots of endings, but maybe none of them are particularly like good.
00:38:08
John Holt
No.
00:38:16
John Holt
Yeah.
00:38:16
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
But you say get the moral victory for saving loads of little girls. so
00:38:20
John Holt
Well, yeah, like I felt good about myself and then the game made no difference. It doesn't sound like it made no difference with you, like killing them all either.
00:38:25
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah. yeah
00:38:27
John Holt
Goddamn. Right. I'm going to replay it and it's going to be a slaughterhouse.
00:38:33
John Holt
So you get those those really annoying drones.
00:38:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh god, I don't remind me.
00:38:39
John Holt
You know, the little helicopter things that go.
00:38:44
John Holt
Oh, so annoying.
00:38:46
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And you can never see them, you're like where the fuck are they? They're like janking around and they're like where the fuck are they?
00:38:49
John Holt
Yeah. Yeah. But like when you get enough of those on screen, sometimes like it or you lost some frame rate stuff. But when it was absolute carnage on screen, it was like good times.
00:39:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Scary as well, very scary when it wanted to be.
00:39:01
John Holt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:04
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Some of the early sequences with like the doctor and stuff or the surgeon were like genuinely scared the shit out of me.
00:39:11
John Holt
Mm.
00:39:12
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And the bit near, I think it was the first game, maybe it was Bioshock 2, but the way you had the boys with the, but the that ah had the little helmets on, they used to scream when they see you.
00:39:24
John Holt
Oh, I think that's Bioshock 2, yeah.
00:39:26
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh, for God's sake, I keep doing that. Okay, well, ignore all that.
00:39:29
John Holt
Because Bioshock 2 is like, it's weird in that it's kind of almost like DLC, but not really.
00:39:36
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah yeah yeah the jump between one to two was barely noticeable and then from two to infinite was like holy jesus like this is you know not just because it's set in the sky but like it was just completely
00:39:37
John Holt
And it's kind of like a side story to your story. But there's not really much going, there's not much to hang your hat on in Bioshock 2. It's almost like they had materials left over and they just had to cash it in quite quickly.
00:39:56
John Holt
oh yeah i feel like infinite it feels too much on rails yeah but that was early that was like 2013 as before this multiverse mumbo jumbo
00:40:05
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, and the whole time travel alternate universes, I'm kind of done with that, you know. Close enough, mate, close enough.
00:40:22
John Holt
But like Boroshock, this is such a classic game, but I will say I went back to it a couple of years ago and it didn't really hold up.
00:40:29
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
No.
00:40:29
John Holt
It kind of felt a bit too mechanical and like still the production design is beautiful and I love that world and stuff, but it just felt too rigid, you know, compared to what came afterwards, obviously.
00:40:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:40:43
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, and I find a lot of the mission design to be quite repetitive, a lot of the hallways and stuff. While I agree, like the art design is like fantastic and the setting is is is incredible, that first kind of journey through Rapture is like but one of those most iconic scenes. But I feel like once you're in the kind of nitty gritty, it does feel Yeah, it does feel a little bit kind of generic.
00:41:12
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I'd also say like a lot of the shooting, I ah find it interesting you said, you know, it's kind of not really a shooter, but it kind of is because you've got guns, but it it doesn't feel like a shooter in the sense that the guns don't have a kind of appropriate like weight to them.
00:41:27
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Like when you shoot someone, it doesn't feel like, wow, I'm really like I'm in control of this.
00:41:28
John Holt
yeah you're right no it wasn't like call of duty or anything like that it was a bit more flimsy i think they they cared less about the right hand and more about the left hand yeah
00:41:35
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:41:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yes the best bits were where you melted ice or you've electrocuted water like stuff like that was cool because it felt quite rewarding and you're like although i haven't got a big fucking sawn-off shotgun i've got you know this power so that's that stuff was a lot more rewarding and i i agree i liked i like the story and in the sense that the twist is like genuinely great i do like the whole utopia gone wrong thing however i do feel like it is
00:42:04
John Holt
Yeah.
00:42:10
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It's not necessarily a story we haven't seen before. i We all knew like straight away, like oh, this has all gone wrong because this Andrew Ryan character wants too much power and sees himself as a god and all this sort of stuff.
00:42:23
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
but it well yeah i mean It does resolve itself in a ri in a really, really cool way. It is one of the best video game endings.
00:42:29
John Holt
Yeah.
00:42:31
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
i
00:42:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I think it is a classic, but I think it's maybe a bit more, as you say, if you were to come back to it, it's maybe a bit more uneven than people remember it for, maybe.
00:42:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
There's so many iconic moments, but I
00:42:52
John Holt
Hmm.
00:42:53
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
kind of, I think you are you argued yours far better than Heinz Blitz 2, however, having played both games, i would I would swing towards time splits too, but if you were like, it has to be Bioshock, I'd be like, fine, put it in.
00:43:10
John Holt
But I see I haven't played time split as two, so I can't really say.
00:43:16
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
But then I feel like for time splits too, just to get in just on the basis that I played both, because I played both, but I enjoy time splits two more. But that doesn't mean it's a better game, really.
00:43:30
John Holt
Well.
00:43:32
John Holt
What do we do here?
00:43:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
it's a tough one they used it so there's nothing about my time split as i've mentioned it convinced
00:43:34
John Holt
So we.
00:43:38
John Holt
No, not really, because... See, what what didn't convince me? Where you slipped up, Monsieur Bruggeshaw, was ah basically, when you compared it to Goldeneye, and I played Goldeneye again recently, round a mate's house for a party, and we loaded it up and it was on their Xbox One,
00:43:53
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah
00:44:06
John Holt
And it did not hold up at all. Like really did not, man.
00:44:08
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
don Golden eyes really fucking janky. Timesplit is too, is not that janky. Don't get me wrong, it's got like some old, you know I don't think you could, you had the, they quite mastered the kind of 360 kind of like aiming thing.
00:44:28
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I think it was still very much like very much in the same,
00:44:29
John Holt
All right.
00:44:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
it just I don't know because like golden eye was a lot of like greys and greens and a lot of fucking cuboid figures whereas time splits too just had a bit more kind of a bit more life to it a bit more kind of craziness to it and I think for me like a a quite obvious reference to GoldenEye.
00:44:55
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Like I say, there's many like UI elements that are set. So the other thing the game has that GoldenEye has is like, you know, GoldenEye is like almost cowardly, most brave, most kills, whatever, like, ish each it time splits too had that as well.
00:45:06
John Holt
Yeah.
00:45:09
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And it shares a lot of
00:45:10
John Holt
Oh, interesting.
00:45:12
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
it It shares a lot of commonalities. it's just this's just There's just more, there's more characters, there's more levels, there's more weapons, there's more cool ways to kill people.
00:45:23
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So it's not necessarily saying that's better, but if you wanted Goldeneye, but just wanted it a bit zany and just fucking everything, just throwing everything in a kitchen sink and just seeing what sticks, then John Splitter 2 is a game for you.
00:45:32
John Holt
Yeah.
00:45:36
John Holt
okay okay hmm hmm really you don't love it this changes everything not just in in this episode
00:45:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah
00:45:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It's tough. I like Bioshock, but I don't love Bioshock. No. I think it's a good game. I think it's a really good game actually, but, and it has influenced a lot of, you know, like Atomic Heart is basically like, oh, it's Bioshock, but in Russian. And although that wasn't great, like it, you know, it has influenced a lot of games, especially the whole,
00:46:08
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
having like a weapon and then having like magic in the other hand like it sounds like a really weird thing to say like oh it championed this but it really did pissing me off i knew how to electrocute water
00:46:12
John Holt
yeah
00:46:17
John Holt
Yeah, you basically taught me how to live.
00:46:25
John Holt
the The trick is to what you just said, every time you leave the house, a weapon in one hand, magic in the other.
00:46:33
John Holt
That's how I go out now.
00:46:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
but that advice ah What if they're both the same if you catch my drift?
00:46:38
John Holt
Wow. Yeah.
00:46:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Well, then I get arrested and get put on a register.
00:46:44
John Holt
All right, like ah God's sake, why is this always so difficult?
00:46:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It's a tougher one than I thought. To be honest, I thought putting the games side by side, I thought Bioshock would win automatically. But I think so.
00:46:56
John Holt
Now you're sticking to your principles.
00:46:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And I never usually do. I usually have chameleon.
00:47:01
John Holt
We we do have an option here.
00:47:01
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I flake it.
00:47:04
John Holt
we We have the option of declaring no contest.
00:47:10
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, totally just not.
00:47:11
John Holt
We know' don't use it often, and it's only our second episode. But I'm declaring a fucking no contest on this bitch.
00:47:19
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
They've both taken steroids beforehand, we're like, boys, what? Why do you take steroids?
00:47:24
John Holt
Yeah.
00:47:25
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
They're like, no, I just, I didn't know they're illegal or not, but yep. And Dana White's slicking on and Vince McMahon's in the audience and out they're ashamed of you, so go on, off you fuck.
00:47:33
John Holt
Alright.
00:47:35
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
No, we're just throwing them out then, like that's, okay.
00:47:35
John Holt
Cool.
00:47:37
John Holt
Yep. Yep.
00:47:41
John Holt
Get out.
00:47:42
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
That's the unexpected, job but let unexpected things happen in...
00:47:46
John Holt
in Wayans.
00:47:48
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and It's like one of those weigh-ins where like Tyson Fury went like crazy, Derek Chisora was like sitting on the table, like it was one of those ones.
00:47:54
John Holt
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:57
John Holt
It's like Don King was standing in the middle and he got his head ripped off.
00:48:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And he's all lads, lads, break it up and he's like, money, money, money, money, money, money.
00:48:06
John Holt
but Don King!
00:48:06
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
money
00:48:08
John Holt
Come on now lads, let's pack it in here.
00:48:11
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Let's pack it in and say, oh, so much fucking money.
00:48:13
John Holt
Yeah. Come on, we don't act like this, we're not the English!
00:48:22
John Holt
Anyway, that's round two is a no contest. Both both both of them are. Get out, you fuckers. Go on.
00:48:29
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
you both.
00:48:30
John Holt
They're little bolluxes.
Highlight: Medal of Honor's Influence
00:48:31
John Holt
All right, so um round three. Round three of this epic weigh-in is ah Medal of Honor Allied Assault, which is James' champion, which came out what year?
00:48:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:48:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
2002, as I say, I didn't realize how influential these games were until I put, because I i gave you this list a couple of weeks ago and I did no research when they came out.
00:49:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I just said off the top of my head, this, this, this, and they've all, I just think it's remarkable that we've had, even compared to the one, and Bioshock is only what, that's 2006, seven, something like, so like an amazing era.
00:49:13
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
We haven't even covered Gears of War, an amazing era for shooters.
00:49:16
John Holt
That's not a first-person shooter.
00:49:18
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Well, it's not, but it... yeah Oh, sorry, I thought...
00:49:19
John Holt
Look, I haven't said the titles yet. Like, Metal Dawn of honour Allied Assault versus Titanfall 1 which came out in 2014, followed by Titanfall 2, which came out in 2016, I think.
00:49:34
John Holt
um Bit of a cheat for me, but but if you look at it, Titanfall, the first game on the Xbox One, is technically a game you would get given away for free now, because it's just all online, there's no single player.
00:49:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
00:49:48
John Holt
Titanfall 2 brought in the single player and had a kick-ass multiplayer alongside it.
00:49:48
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
even
00:49:53
John Holt
So, medal of honor allied assault which year did you say this came out in again i think you're right because again i think i've played this one and i didn't buy it because i was too busy with girls but what i did do was my brother borrowed it and i played a little bit of it on the sly
00:49:58
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I believe it came out in the year 2002. Hmm.
00:50:15
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Hmm. Well, luckily for you, I've never been busy with girls. I've been at most, ah
00:50:24
John Holt
Well, you're about nine years old at this point, so I would hope not.
00:50:26
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I had my time in primary school.
00:50:30
John Holt
Oh.
00:50:31
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I held hands in the playground.
00:50:33
John Holt
Oh, Jesus.
00:50:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
but I got married in the playground, so good.
00:50:36
John Holt
Oh.
00:50:36
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So yeah, medal of honor, allied assault. So what to say? So published by EA back when they were like a respected, ah publisher and developed by a company called 2015 Inc. and I've never heard of them before or since. So this is I guess your kind of cookie cutter at least on the surface ah kind of game where you're an allied hoorah GI and you're going to storm the beaches of of Normandy and kill all those pesky Nazis.
00:51:12
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah So very much, so so there were a few Medal of Honor games before then. So I think there was, I played the original Medal of Honor on PS1 and that was a rough experience even when a PS1 was like the cream of the crop.
00:51:29
John Holt
Yeah, talk about a shooter on rails. like that's That's a game on rails with cardboard cutouts coming out.
00:51:31
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh.
00:51:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh, yeah, really, it really did, yeah, resembled like one of those like Western shooting galleries where just like a person would just,
00:51:39
John Holt
Oh yes.
00:51:41
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
pop out from a balcony. So I mean, and so this was, for me, this is but one of the first shooters where I'd say it and it was it was kind of an event. So I'd put it ah kind of in the same vein as like you know going to the cinema you would play this game you'd say to your friends did you do this did you do that did you do that beach landing on Normandy like there were so many cool moments like that the beach landing at Normandy ah they did it again with medal of honor frontline they've done it with other world war two shooters i think have done it to death in
00:52:22
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Call of Duty as well. I think they did in Call of Duty 3, if I'm not mistaken. This game, this level, I've not seen or played anything like it before. I remember sitting there with my dad and, you know, you would be crouched behind one of those big pill boxes and you'd hear the bullets whistling past you, splatting into the into water on the beach, men running past, guts going everywhere. And you're just literally running and then ducking for,
00:52:51
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
trying to get every little square inch and then you get the famous bit where it's like bangaloras we need bangaloras and then you get the big fucking proddy explodey thing everyone goes over the top and and the machine guns is that so just so you know obviously world war two was a terrible terrible time for literally everyone involved but in terms of it really kind of but kind of shows you the exhilaration of combat and and I think it genuinely puts you in the shoes. Now you look back now and it seems a bit archaic but it really showed you at the time like this is what people went through. Saving Private Ryan came out I think in the year 2000. I think it's
00:53:31
John Holt
Not yet.
00:53:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
1998 okay so fair enough okay maybe it was a few years since but there's undoubtedly that entire level is based on that opening sequence of Saving Private Ryan which again I mean what to say about that that hasn't already been said it's just it's just so iconic it's just one of the it's just one of those gaming moments and doom when you pick up the first BFG it's it' it it's up there for me um
00:53:57
John Holt
Okay.
00:53:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I also think ah that and you know this was the template for Call of Duty. So the two of its creators of Allied Assault left a after Allied Assault came out to create a little team called Nefinity Ward, who then went on to develop.
00:54:19
John Holt
Oh.
00:54:20
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Call of Duty. So all that amazing work that they did in Allied Assault, which they carried through to frontline. But there's less surprise of frontline because they'd already kind of done the big set pieces. But this is a template for not only Call of Duty, but Call of Duty, all the kind of modern warfare. This was the blueprint in terms of shooting mechanics, the just whole thing where like a level or a moment, it's like a set piece.
00:54:46
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It's like being on a roller coaster, but not necessarily in a negative way. It's, you know, you're experiencing something literally as if you're there.
00:54:49
John Holt
Mm.
00:54:52
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And that is one of the things that gaming can do that almost no other medium can do as well. It's making you believe that you're there. And this game made me believe I was there, you know, solid shooting mechanics, you know, cool setting, iconic levels.
00:55:09
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Just great, one of the greats. And I don't necessarily know that it is remembered as one of the greats, but I think it's so iconic. And for that level alone, I think it deserved all the Oscars.
00:55:21
John Holt
all the academy awards see see i don't know if i played this one or not like because the way you described it now i'm a bit like okay the game i remember was a lot more like felt a lot more on rails is there a bit when you're in a submarine in this game
00:55:22
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
All the Academy Awards, yeah.
00:55:27
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
um
00:55:45
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
hmm god i don't remember maybe front line because front line was the sequel so it was a lot more it was a lot more polished so maybe it was yeah but i'm not saying it wasn't but yeah it's i but it was cool because you had like a lot of like behind enemy lines like stealthy missions and then you had these big bombastic fucking charging up the beach like
00:55:51
John Holt
Hmm. Really, it could be. Hmm. Interesting. Okay.
00:56:12
John Holt
Hmm.
00:56:13
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
just great stuff.
00:56:15
John Holt
Huh. All right. It says medal of honor, allied assault. That is your champion.
00:56:21
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
oh
00:56:21
John Holt
ah I don't know how I feel about your your ah yeah your sales pitch there. um
00:56:31
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I think in a similar ish vein to Halo in that it's what it said. And I say this as somebody who doesn't like it being like, well, this did it first, there you go, it's better. But I just think, you know, I, I cannot stress enough how I just genuinely felt like I was in Normandy. Like it was, it was absolutely wild. Like, it was just cool, man. And it's World War Two. And it was a prototype for all World War Two shooters going forward. And it just, oh, just just hit different.
00:57:05
John Holt
right well let's put a pin in that because
00:57:08
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and Like a grenade pin. Oh.
00:57:13
John Holt
Striding over with size 32 feet and and a massive set of iron shoulders, rocket launchers mounted upon them, and then a little guy in the middle going, hello.
00:57:28
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I think a better comparison would be it's Kane. And he's being accompanied by Hornswoggle.
00:57:35
John Holt
Yeah, but Hornswoggle is riding Kane.
00:57:40
John Holt
In his chest?
00:57:43
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
What, so he's walking backwards like a crab?
00:57:47
John Holt
No, it's just like in Kane's chest, there's like cavity in Kane's chest.
00:57:50
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh, what like, um, total recall kind of thing.
00:57:53
John Holt
Yeah, exactly.
00:57:55
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Okay. Okay.
00:57:55
John Holt
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:56
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh, now I'm interested. Now I'm interested.
00:57:58
John Holt
Okay, we need to sit back a little bit.
00:57:58
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Hmm.
00:58:02
John Holt
There we go.
00:58:02
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It's just the excitement about... board
00:58:06
John Holt
so all right So like
Highlight: Titanfall 2 Mechanics
00:58:08
John Holt
I said, this is kind of a cheat, but the reason is the first one is online only. It's basically a free to play game in this day and age. But it was early on in the expo and we didn't have much else to do. ah The second one has that, but also has the narrative on top of it. So cards on the table, balls on the table, whatever you want to say.
00:58:30
John Holt
these two are my favorite first person shooter games of all time these are my favorite this is my favorite so i have lost hours if not days of my life spent online in these games ah The mech action is superb. There is no bigger rush than getting your Titanfall from your mech dropped in by the dropship, you getting in it, killing everything in sight for a little bit until you eject and the thing self-destructs and takes everyone with it. That is the best rush I've ever had in an online multiplayer game. It is amazing.
00:59:18
John Holt
um Plus the mechs are just really cool like there's enough variety with them and you know customizable options and things like that they're really cool and like they've all got like your special sub weapon things like poisonous gas things like I think one of them has got like what's it cluster bombs all sorts of stuff like that it's just cool as hell plus you have this Like if you think about like value for money, right? This game is your standard first person shooter, but then it's also alongside it. It's this mech shooter as well, like something like what's called armed core, something like that. So like just talk about value for money. This is like literally two games in one.
01:00:09
John Holt
And like the first person element, when you're not in the mech, is just as polished, just as high class, and just as cool as anything I've played in terms of a first person shooter. And then the mech thing is just flawless. so If you look at the the narrative of Titanfall 2 as well, it's a really, really cool story.
01:00:33
John Holt
And it's basically what it boils down to. It's got a lot of heart to it. It's all about a kid and his mech, which is just wonderful. I think we can all relate to that because we've all had a giant robot at one point or another.
01:00:45
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
We've all seen the iron zone.
01:00:46
John Holt
Exactly. And you know it's just got these incredible set pieces. like Just think about like the time dilation. you know part of the game where one part of the the time stream is like on fire, the other part isn't.
01:01:01
John Holt
And it's not never really certain when you're going to flip between things. Then there's like the the factory that you see like where it starts literally manufacturing like colonies.
01:01:14
John Holt
And you're wool running through these like civilizations, like diagonal, like going through this gigantic gargantuan factory.
01:01:18
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:22
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah. That is a great level.
01:01:24
John Holt
And it's just it's just incredible. I mean, the campaign isn't that long. You could do it in like five or six hours, but the multiplayer just keeps me going forever. I think they're still actually updating it, like literally eight years on. They're still doing like updates for like Timefall 2. And they literally, but this is the thing. These games were never huge, but the people who've played them like me literally adore them.
01:01:51
John Holt
And there is I haven't gone online in a while, but you could always get a game for like a really, really long time. And it's just incredible. And um they really need to make a Titanfall 3. And if you're not going to make a narrative Titanfall 3, just literally bring out a new free-to-play version. Just microtransaction it up the arse. Just give us more, because we want more.
01:02:17
John Holt
And you will make money I think at this point because this game has been given away on PS Plus, Xbox Gold, all the rest of it.
01:02:24
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
01:02:24
John Holt
So, Titanfall 1 and 2, those are my champs.
01:02:28
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So my riposte is you're not going to like one bit, but you're going to like the other bit.
01:02:29
John Holt
We'll see you.
01:02:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I'm going to throw out, or I'd like to have thrown out the first one. The multiplayer is great, but obviously, well, for me, the second one, the multiplayer is better.
01:02:46
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And I think that can be only one like Highlander. So ah personally, I would get rid of one. However, that being said, The campaign for Titanfall 2 is the best first person shooter campaign I've ever played for literally every single reason you said and for that reason alone and I'm not even including the multiplayer which is still it still great.
01:03:05
John Holt
Hmm.
01:03:11
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I had a little flutter on multiplayer and I don't know I always get really upset at multiplayer games with Joe Public because they're better than me and I don't like that so But yeah, those two levels you described are absolutely amazing.
01:03:26
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And yeah, like you say, it's just as good being in the of being out of the mech than it is in it. The story is surprisingly like really deep and emotional. And I was quite sad at the end.
01:03:36
John Holt
Yeah.
01:03:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It's phenomenal. And I think it adds to the mystique a little bit where the game like inexplicably, or maybe there are reasons, but inexplicably just fucking bombed and like it was, and it's, it's, it's, it's incredible.
01:03:53
John Holt
Yeah, it makes no sense to me.
01:03:58
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And even the, i yeah.
01:03:59
John Holt
It was literally down to about a tenner within a year of release time. It's ridiculous.
01:04:04
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And even now, I appreciate the games quite old, but even now you can still pick up like a pound like an entire.
01:04:09
John Holt
I think he's literally like three quid.
01:04:11
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah. But like even stuff like those little assault courses you do at the beginning, like yeah people would do these crazy runs where you would just like glance off the side of a building and just do the entire course in like three seconds.
01:04:23
John Holt
Oh yeah.
01:04:25
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Lest We Forget, John, Lest We Forget, this game and all of its kind of weapons mechanics, et cetera, were pretty much lifted and shifted to a tiny game called Apex Legends.
01:04:42
John Holt
Were they really? But I hated that.
01:04:45
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Uh, like all multiplayer games, I, I grew to hate it, but for.
01:04:51
John Holt
I literally they like released in the wake of PUBG when it was like the first PUBG sort of.
01:04:55
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, it it was like after he had like PUBG, I think Fortnite and Apex would have been about the same time.
01:05:02
John Holt
Yeah.
01:05:02
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Um, for the time, I would say for about two, three years, I loved Apex. I couldn't play second of it now, but back in battle royale, the shooters were all the thing.
01:05:13
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and they're rather competitors other than Fortnite. Yeah.
01:05:17
John Holt
I look back on that whole PUBG battle royal shooter thing as a bit of a sad moment in our culture, you know.
01:05:22
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Oh, it is. It really is. and Especially as everybody who... Or I feel like everybody plays it. It's like, oh, it's like the Hunger Games.
01:05:32
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Like, watch Battle Royale, you bastards.
01:05:35
John Holt
Yeah, but it just wasn't even that interesting. Like like I said, ah I was bored to tears on Apex Legends within like an hour.
01:05:37
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
No.
01:05:42
John Holt
And I just deleted it. Because give me a team deathmatch any old day of the week.
01:05:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, I mean, I liked, yeah.
01:05:49
John Holt
Or capture the flag session. like What are we doing on a massive island in this six of us?
01:05:55
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, I mean, I know with like Call of Duty, for example, like they've got their own battle royale mode. So it's, yeah, I know what you mean. It's kind of become a, and not really a necessary evil, but just pretty well.
01:06:08
John Holt
It was always just a way to flog kids, like microtransactions.
01:06:12
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I mean, let's be honest, yeah. it It was seen as like the only acceptable way to do it.
01:06:14
John Holt
Yeah.
01:06:16
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
They're like, oh, it's gambling. And you're like, but what if we're trying to sell it to kids?
01:06:20
John Holt
Yeah.
01:06:20
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, i okay.
01:06:21
John Holt
Was this kids gambling with their dad's money?
01:06:21
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Well, I'll buy it. Yeah, exactly.
01:06:25
John Holt
And thus gambling with their lives!
01:06:26
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So your life will be forfeit if you kind of afford this 799 skin.
01:06:28
John Holt
Yeah.
01:06:30
John Holt
yeah
01:06:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So yeah, I think, ah yeah, but I think that's pretty cool that they were literally like, we're just gonna use like a lot of our asset assets from, this like old game, the old game that nobody played and it become like part of the, you know, it's so if if I don't like Fortnite, but if it took its template from Jedi power battles, for example, or a Nazi Republic, then I'd be like, fair enough. A terrible example. So yeah, I'm happy to give this
01:07:10
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I want you to have this, John. I i want you to have this lovely turkey treat, but with conditions. I want that first i want that first one out of here with a
Discussion: Evolution of Shooters
01:07:24
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
slapper hairdo.
01:07:24
John Holt
So you're saying if I remove Titanfall, the original multiplayer, which isn't really even a game, it's just a multiplayer system, then Titanfall 2 stands alone and wins.
01:07:32
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
yeah Yeah, basically, yeah.
01:07:37
John Holt
Is that what you're saying? Oh, OK. Well, that's interesting because that means that we both have won a round and the second round was no contest.
01:07:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
God.
01:07:48
John Holt
So the whole thing's been a draw. What the hell?
01:07:53
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Shit, well, yeah, but now we've got obviously the ultimate decision. Nice.
01:08:04
John Holt
The ultimate decision. What is the ultimate decision? Because a draw is a draw, is a draw. Like games end in 1-0. Games end in 1-1. Games end in 2-2. 3-3 sometimes. It's only the NHL where you're not allowed a draw. They keep playing until someone dies. I mean, until someone scores. It's called sudden death.
01:08:33
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And some football knockout tournaments.
01:08:35
John Holt
So what do we want to do here, James? How violent do you want this to get?
01:08:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I want... I want to do...
01:08:41
John Holt
Because we could walk away right now. I need a number two really bad.
01:08:46
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And I'd say, and if there's more dramatic music, this would sound much scarier if it's not over till I say it's over. And I'd say it's Halo Combat Evolved versus Timefall 2.
01:09:02
John Holt
Alright, well, this was kind of a weigh-in. I think you've missed the point of a weigh-in, but...
01:09:05
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
oh okay oh i see what you mean yes once again i did miss a point entirely oh okay dramatic no i don't want to do it now i've realized what i've done i
01:09:06
John Holt
Alright! Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright! Let's have it, yeah? Let's have it!
01:09:17
John Holt
so So... No, no, for fuck all that. Right, what wins?
01:09:24
John Holt
no no you open this door boy you gotta be prepared to walk through it because you've got your halo combat evolved game and i've got my 16 years hence titanfall 2 game so what no one's now
01:09:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
We basically, we've we've had a weigh in, we've done the thing, we've like, oh, we flex our muscles, been a little bit cheeky, and then I've just gone in and been like, he says, I'm really horrible about your mum, and we're like, what?
01:09:50
John Holt
Yeah, and you snooked yourself, Sunny Jim, because you've got Halo from the year 2001. You haven't even got Halo Infinite.
01:10:01
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
No, it's true, it's true. I mean, it's the best halo, but
01:10:06
John Holt
When I asked you about grappling hooks earlier, you should have said yes.
01:10:09
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
You know what this is? You know exactly what this is. This is Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. in e In every conceivable way. One of them's a big hitter, but he's he's seen better days. The other one has seen better days. It's kind of irrelevant, but also kind of cool to a certain group of people.
01:10:30
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and
01:10:31
John Holt
but only fights people who are going to lose.
01:10:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
But only fights people who are going to lose.
01:10:37
John Holt
Yeah.
01:10:38
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I, look, let's let's let rethink things here. i I made a mistake.
01:10:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I'm willing to, I wanna walk like, look, where look, too much blood has been spilled or not enough blood has been spilled or too much neutral blood has been spilled.
01:10:47
John Holt
Oh, you want to walk away now. Oh.
01:10:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
So I think, look, we we all have our winners. The thing is actually, I don't i love both of those games and anyway.
01:11:06
John Holt
Hmm.
01:11:07
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Like, yeah, I don't
01:11:08
John Holt
Do you want to shake hands and walk away? You want to shake? I wish I wish this this could have seen that video. That was so funny. It's just James is literally screaming just like nods, eyes wide.
01:11:22
John Holt
I just want to walk away now.
01:11:23
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
like this game anymore. It's getting quite scary and it's hurting my feeling.
01:11:27
John Holt
Oh, bless you.
01:11:29
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I mean, let's, let's do a deal or no deal. If you have to choose one, what would it be?
01:11:33
John Holt
Yeah.
01:11:36
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
No thinking, just literally like boom.
01:11:38
John Holt
It's going to be time for two only because I've played more of it.
01:11:41
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Okay. I mean, it'd be Halo for me. So it would be a draw anyway, because this podcast would then be another six hours of us arguing about why our game.
01:11:46
John Holt
You're right.
01:11:53
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And do you know what, having played both of them, having we played Halo to death and having played Titanfall for only, I'd say 10 hours, they are genuinely matched, which I think is a big a compliment to Titanfall 2.
01:12:13
John Holt
fair do
01:12:13
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
And look, you made a concession for me, so let's, ah you say tomato, I say tomato.
01:12:18
John Holt
Okay, we'll call that a draw.
01:12:18
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Let's go.
01:12:20
John Holt
We'll walk away. ah you know Everyone knows their stats now.
01:12:24
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
The status quo has been,
01:12:25
John Holt
They know where they're placed in the league. No one's going to get ideas above their station ever again.
01:12:34
John Holt
I mean, depending on whether or not over 30 people listen to this, we might get some fallout. Now, I'm just going to say a couple of things. I've never played a Doom game to completion. They kind of annoy me a little bit. I've never played a Quake game. I played Unreal Tournament 3. I liked it a lot, but it was an online-only game, so it didn't qualify.
01:12:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
ah So for me, the Quake series is good.
01:13:05
John Holt
Oh!
01:13:06
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I don't necessarily think it's great, Doom, yeah. But, like, everybody goes, yeah, Hulk Hogan's great, it's great. What an exciting contest that was, how exciting. Oh, the same guys, one of us, next 30 years. Let's see something different. That's why I didn't choose GoldenEye, because again, oh, GoldenEye's the greatest shooter of all time. Well, there, okay, episode over in two minutes. So, it's, it's do Doom gets a special place for,
01:13:39
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
having a great first game, the great last game, that medieval one looks very, very, very simple.
01:13:44
John Holt
Oh, that looks so cool.
01:13:46
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
It looks amazing.
01:13:46
John Holt
But you know what? I'm not going to play it. I'm going to be so tempted to play it, but I'm not going to play it because I know I'll be in the exact same position. I'll be like five, six hours in. I'll just be like, no, this is annoying me.
01:13:55
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, it'll just make you angry. It's true, it's true.
01:13:58
John Holt
Yeah.
01:13:59
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
But, you know, and I would say to certain people who may or may not agree with my choices
01:14:08
John Holt
fuck you
01:14:10
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
up yeah I love you to bits, but like, strategy games have their place, all right? Civilization is as good as anything else out there.
01:14:16
John Holt
Yeah. Well, this is the thing. I was just literally thinking about that. I feel like the first person shooter has sort of fallen out of favor. Like they were like literally everywhere at one point.
01:14:24
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah. simply
01:14:26
John Holt
And I ah feel like now they've been replaced by RPGs. Obviously you get a Call of Duty game every year.
01:14:32
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
me
01:14:33
John Holt
Everyone's into Fortnite or whatever.
01:14:34
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
this is it third person battle royale mate then that's still that's still the the agreement I mean you summed it up when you said your friend with was it modern warfare 3 where he's like yeah download with multiplayer not the campaign like cry yeah and I did the opposite I played the campaign and then did the
01:14:37
John Holt
Yeah. Yeah, but the campaign-led traditional like first-person shooter I feel like that's it's sort of slowly going the way of the side-scrolling 2d beat them up, you know Yeah, it's literally like the most recent one that came out last year
01:15:03
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Didn't download the multiplayer. But then it turns out the campaign was like one of these weird open world ones. So I was like, with Call of Duty, uninstall, nah.
01:15:11
John Holt
honey I'm done yeah I mean yeah I mean we'll see what happens there really but first-person shoes I would love
01:15:13
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Dreadful, mate, dreadful.
01:15:19
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Hmm.
01:15:23
John Holt
If someone wants to, I mean, I haven't set up an email address actually, so I don't know where I was going with that, but like maybe comment on our blue sky or our ah Instagram and just like say which one of the most recent Call of Duty games is the best and I will play it.
01:15:40
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah, and call us out on any of our bullshit and then we'll maybe come back to you.
01:15:43
John Holt
Yeah, argue with us, that's what we want.
01:15:47
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
Yeah.
01:15:47
John Holt
So thanks for listening, everybody. You could all know we've got to do one good thing.
Conclusion and Anecdote
01:15:52
John Holt
So one good thing is obviously how we end the podcast in the world of doom and gloom. We just tell you one good thing that we've done in the last ah week or so.
01:16:00
John Holt
So last week, last week I was I was bedridden with the stomach flu.
01:16:00
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
just stop thing Yeah, yeah.
01:16:04
John Holt
I watched a film from 1993. which I wasn't allowed to watch when I was a kid because it had boobs in it so I watched Romeo is bleeding with Gary Oldman in it and it is fantastic it does something with the concept of a femme fatale it's like you want to see a dangerous person here they are is fantastic worth watching 100% great film stands up James one good thing
01:16:31
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
and um i uh regardless of how it ends today i asked somebody something i didn't think i would and it's probably going to end in abject disappointment, but hey, I went for it.
01:16:45
John Holt
oh well there we go confidence that's always a good thing um brimming with it absolutely so you can find us on blue sky as media mega rumble dot bsky dot social on instagram and threads as at media mega rumble we'll be back soon with more epic carnage and we will talk to you soon bye
01:16:54
OOOOOL' BRIGTOWN
I'm brimming with it as you can see.