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5G Conspiracy Theories
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Josh and M investigate 5G conspiracy theories, many of which seem spurious, but some of which seem based upon a modicum of genuine worry. What good reason might someone have to be suspicious of the 5G rollout? Listen in to find out!
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Who is Ari Nicholson?
00:00:00
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Breaking news! We've discovered the name of yet another of our mysterious funders, one, Ari Nicholson. Who is Ari Nicholson? Well, a better question is, who isn't Ari Nicholson? Our crack team of researchers, i.e. me, yes, our crack team of researcher, has been trolling Google images to try and find evidence of Ari's nefarious involvement in world events.
00:00:21
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Now, let me just check my notes here. Now, given we have no idea of what Ari looks like, this has proven to be quite difficult, but the evidence is in. And I can confidently say that there is evidence of Ari being in the crowd surrounding JFK
00:00:37
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posted assassination by Lee Harvey Oswald, allegedly, lurking in the background of the Moscow trials, attending a guillotining during the French Revolution, and this is quite possibly the most incriminating piece of evidence yet, I have a photo of him as one of the assassins of the dictator, Julius Caesar. A photo of the assassination of Julius Caesar. Yes. A photo from 23 BCE.
00:01:05
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Yes. Photo from before the invention of the camera and celluloid film. Yes. That's amazing. I know! So who is Ari Nicholson? He's a malcontent who appears to be thousands of years old. That too. And we salute you, Ari Nicholson. And also ask that you don't attend any events near us. It seems that when you come, all hell breaks loose. Just like Julian Sands.
Why are we ranked among the top 35 conspiracy podcasts?
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The podcaster's guide to the conspiracy, brought to you today by Josh Addison and Dr. N. Denton.
00:01:50
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Hello, you're listening to the podcaster's guide to the conspiracy, or are you? Is this in fact the podcaster's guide to 5G technologies featuring me, Josh Addison, and the world's foremost expert on everything to do with 5G, Dr. M.R. Extended? See, I really thought you're going to do the...
00:02:06
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watching, sorry, listening or watching. Given this is also a video podcast. This is a video podcast. But no, you went in a completely different direction. Sure did. As am I because I have breaking news. You do? I do. We have received an email, which starts
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Hi there. My name, and I'm going to redact the name because this person has not asked their name be read out on the podcast. I'm the founder of Feedspot, which means you'll be able to work out who that is with absolute ease. I would like to personally congratulate you as your website, the Podcaster's Guide to the Conspiracy has been selected by our panelists as one of the top 35 conspiracy podcasts on the web.
00:02:48
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Goodness. I personally give you a high five and want to thank you for your contribution to this world. This is the most comprehensive list of top 35 conspiracy podcasts on the internet. And I'm on it. I'm honored, not on it. Honored to have you as part of this. We'd be grateful if you could help us spread the word by briefly mentioning about the top 35 conspiracy podcast lists in any of your upcoming post, not posts, post, post.
00:03:16
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Fair enough. Well, that's certainly news. It's a thing that happened. I'm reading over your shoulder right now. There's even a photo. There's even a photo. Yeah, that's a real thing. So yeah, have some free advertising, dude, from Feed Spot. Nice to know that we are among the top 35 conspiracy theory podcasts. I have looked at the list and there are podcasts I recognise on that list. So it's not just a random assortment of conspiracy podcasts.
00:03:45
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They're our legitimate competitors to our crown as the podcast about conspiracy theories originating from outside of New Zealand, which features an actual expert in conspiracy theories, one of the hosts of which I think we are. We are the monarch. Could possibly be the best. We had a premiere in that particular category.
5G: Health Concerns and Conspiracy Theories
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But yes, we mentioned this at the start of last week's episode, how M had contributed to an article for the spin-off local site, all about 5G and the conspiracies. So I'm a 5G expert now. Apparently you are, yeah. And at the time, so gosh, we should do an episode about 5G, shouldn't we?
00:04:24
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which we're going to do now. And then at the end of that episode, or possibly during the bonus content, but afterwards, during the bonus episode, we were like, what was that thing we said we were going to do in episodes? Because we could not remember something that we had mentioned 35 minutes earlier. But then we remembered, and now we're doing it. So everything works out.
00:04:40
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We also asked our patrons to email us about what we forgot to do, and they didn't. But that's because I also put a tag at the end to say that we had remembered what it was. So obviously our patrons are the kind of people who listen right to the end. You could also be one of those patrons. Yeah, so it's been in the news a bit, the old 5G technologies and people's worries around it and where there are worries and new technology, you often get conspiracy theories. So I think we can justify talking about it for any besides. Shall we get to it? I think we should.
Understanding 5G Technology
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So 5G, not 4G, not 3G, not yet 6G, but 5G, as the world's now most knowledgeable person when it comes to 5G technologies. Why do we have so many Gs? I don't know. G stands for good, surely. So the more Gs, the better. So 5G technology is good, good, good, good, good. For genitals. And 5 genitals might be considered by some to be either too many or not enough. Not enough. You want an even number usually, but anyway. That depends on your kink.
00:05:44
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No, that's true, that's true. Now, in this particular case, the G simply stands for generation, which is a little bit boring. Yeah, and unfortunately is also kind of a brand name, which is a really boring brand name. We're going to advertise a brand new way of transferring information from one part of the world to another using wireless technology. We need a snappy, snappy name.
00:06:06
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What should we call it? Well, we had second generation wireless technology. Yes. And we had third generation wireless technology. We had fourth generation wireless technology. So, quite obviously, let's call it Whippo Snippo. We're going to call it 5G.
00:06:25
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Yes, no, I mean, I was actually mildly interested to find out in researching this that there was a first generation mobile network was the one they first invented in the 1970s. The second generation came along in the 1990s and 2G networks gave added support for text messaging. 3G networks was sort of the first time I think the phrase, the sort of G thing for the generations came up 3G.
00:06:52
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cellular networks that you use the internet over your phone. 4G is what most of us are on these days, which is basically faster internet over your phone. And 5G has been rolled out in a few cities around the world, but in most places is imminent. And that's super fast internet, basically. Fiber-like speeds over your cell
00:07:13
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So basically it's low latency wireless internet so it reduces the overheads for data transfer which makes it so remarkably faster. Although going back to the point it's a brand name makes this interesting because it's not as if 5G is one suite of technologies or technological solutions.
00:07:35
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5G is a brand name to a variety of different approaches to achieve the super fast internet on your phone or internet of devices thing. So the 5G you have in your country might actually differ in a kind of hardware level from 5G elsewhere, but the benefit is all 5G networks are meant to be in some way interoperable.
00:08:00
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Yes, I mean, I know that in New Zealand, one of our cell phone carriers, two degrees, has talked about they're going to be rolling out a 4.9G network. In other words, it's not what they're putting out. It isn't actually 5G technology, but it's just about the same. So they give it the funny little name. I remember things got a little bit fishy, though.
00:08:21
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Because you had the iPhone 3G, which was the first 3G iPhone, but it was also sort of the third generation of iPhones, I think. And then the next lot of iPhones were called fourth generation, although they weren't on 4G technology because that didn't exist yet. I do remember a whole lot of confusion around when
00:08:40
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4G sort of became a marketing term. There was a lot of talk of 4G phones, but sometimes that meant a phone that supported 4G networks, and sometimes it meant the fourth generation of that kind of cell phone, and everything got very confusing. But that's neither here nor there, neither here nor there, because 5G is the thing.
Health Concerns Linked to 5G
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It is. 5G is the word. 5G is the word. Now, we're talking about 5G on a conspiracy theory podcast.
00:09:06
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That presumably means that people are concerned about 5G, Josh? Why are people concerned about 5G? Well, I mean, it starts with fairly ordinary health concerns that you seem to get pretty much any time any new technology comes around and kind of goes a little bit silly the further you look.
00:09:26
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So initially, I mean, there are people who object to 5G in claiming that it poses some sort of a health risk. There are people who liken it to sort of tobacco and asbestos that we're rolling this stuff out without giving proper care to the potential dangers. And in a few decades from now, we're all going to have brain cancer or something. Or evolve giant hands. So the specific claims are, one is that it causes electromagnetic hypersensitivity, which is
00:09:57
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A plot device in the... Is a plot device in reticule soil, yes. So, I mean, electromagnetic hypersensitivity is a thing, sort of, in that there are people who claim to suffer from it and do, indeed, experience
00:10:14
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adverse reactions to something or other, but it's not a medically recognized condition. It's thought to be sort of an example of the nocebo effect, the opposite of the placebo where people... Or a psychosomatic illness. Yeah. So in that people who claim to suffer from EHS, electro-ignitic hypersensitivity, when subjected to sort of blind trials and sort of, you know, put in front of a box that may or may not contain an electrical device that might set off their EHS, can't reliably detect it, basically.
00:10:42
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These people do clearly suffer from something. There are actual symptoms, but those symptoms don't appear to be caused by any sort of electromagnetic radiation. And then, yes, they're more along the lines of some sort of placebo or psychosomatic effect.
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But it goes on. It's supposedly 5G can cause EMR poisoning, where EMR is of course electromagnetic radiation. As opposed to some kind of new dance craze. Should be. Yeah, so EMR poisoning apparently consists of nosebleeds, headaches, eye pains, chest pains, nausea, fatigue, vomiting. I always say tinnitus, but it's really tinnitus, isn't it? I say tinnitus.
00:11:24
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Dizziness, flu-like symptoms, and cardiac pain. Sufferers of EMR poisoning also report a tight band around the head, pressure on the top of the head, short-stabbing pains around the body, and buzzing internal organs.
00:11:44
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Too many bees, Joshua. Too many bees. Apart from the fact that that's such a broad range of symptoms that could possibly be caused by just a bee. Well, yes, I mean, the symptoms are so vague. You should be expecting people generally to be suffering those symptoms in a given area at any particular point in time. Nothing about that picks out a particular illness other than people get sick all the time, yeah?
00:12:11
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See, I'm hip and down with the kids. You're entirely down with all of the children. I'm so, so cow. Of course, the other thing is that adverse physical symptoms to an oversaturation of electronic technology is essentially the black shakes from the film Johnny Mnemonic, which is a good film.
00:12:29
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Johnny Mnemonic is a good film. I don't care what you say. I don't care what anyone says. It's good. It's got, it's got Johnny, it's got Keanu Reeves and everybody loves him now. It's got Dolph Lundgren as a freaking cyborg. It's got Udo Keir. It's got, it's got Nanofilament thumbnails and it beat Takeshi. It's a good film and I don't know why everyone bags on it all the goddamn time.
00:12:51
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Leave Johnny Mnemonic alone. I'm feeling you've just blown the levels on this podcast so high that no one's going to hear your rant about Johnny Mnemonic, a perfectly adequate film. Great film. Anyway, apart from giving us the Black Shakes, 5G technology, of course it's going to give us all cancer. You get numerous Ks. It's radiation. Radiation gives you cancer. Simple as that.
00:13:18
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Or is it? Well, I mean, it is true that radiation is correlated with cancer and certain radiations, certain parts of the spectrum.
00:13:30
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We've got causal pathways as to how they cause particular types of cancer. But also radiation is everywhere. You are bathing in it right now. Yes. And then there's other talks supposedly early exposure to 5G will end up resulting in learning disabilities and children and so on. So for starters, there's a bunch of health concerns.
00:13:52
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And yes, as you say, there are different kinds of radiation. So the radiation you get from, say, nuclear weapons, yes, that's known to be very cancerous. X-rays can be cancerous. That's why X-ray technicians go outside of the room and make you wear a lead apron and all that sort of stuff. And why X-rays are now comparatively short compared to X-ray imaging from, say, 20 or 30 years ago.
00:14:15
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But scientists generally draw a distinction between so-called ionising radiation and non-ionising radiation. So basically ionising radiation can ionise atoms, it can knock electrons off of atoms and when that happens to the atoms that make up the human body it can end up damaging our DNA and causing
00:14:33
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we use ionizing radiation in microwaves because it's useful for heating things up which is literally causing damage to things but when we cook things we cause damage to cells anyway so it doesn't matter although of course when microwaves became a thing everyone was concerned that eating microwave food would give you cancer could be taking those ionizing radiation into your stomach lining and processing it through your
00:15:00
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your slimes and residual organs. But yes, so the sorts, the wavelengths used in cell phone technology are basically non-ionizing radiation. They simply don't have enough energy to be able to damage your DNA. Which is kind of evident by the fact that one of the problems with 5G
00:15:20
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is that the signal is so weak that it actually has a problem penetrating objects. So one of the issues they're going to have with 5G reception is you require more cell towers to basically blanket the environment with a 5G signal you'll be able to get inside your house. That's how weak that part of the spectrum is going to be.
00:15:46
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Yes, which of course then gets seized upon as another danger of them, the fact that these cell tiles are going to be everywhere. We are going to be being bathed in 5G radiation from all the angles. Josh, you're bathing in it right now. Well, we are bathing in it right now. Even though it is night time where we are recording, we are bathed in electromagnetic radiation from these lights around us, paid for by your patronage dollars. Thank you very much, patrons.
00:16:10
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Although, I mean, my point was more, there's stuff going on in the part of the spectrum we're thinking about using for 5G anyway. It's not that that part of the spectrum is empty of any noise whatsoever. There's stuff going on there. We're simply going to tap into it and make use of a part of the spectrum that we are not currently using for other tasks.
00:16:35
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Now, another point on the whole carcinogenic thing. Apparently, the World Health Organization classes mobile devices as a Class IIb carcinogen, which is something that people do pounce upon. Class IIb carcinogen, though, is quite a broad topic. What are some of the things that are also a Class IIb carcinogen?
00:16:56
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Scrolling down for that. Oh, here we go. This is from Michelle Dickenton, also known as Nanogirl, as reported in an article in the New Zealand Herald. To put into perspective, however, other items in the 2B category include coffee,
00:17:17
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Pickles and being a carpenter. I think nickel is another one. Or maybe they're confusing nickel with pickles. I don't know. Maybe just anything that rhymes with the word pickle. It's carcinogenic.
00:17:28
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Stickels, nickels, fickels, plickels, kickels, ixticles. They sound fairly carcinogenic to me. They do. But the point is, a 2B carcinogen is sort of, it's kind of along the lines of a thing that maybe could be carcinogenic.
00:17:47
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But we don't have any evidence that there is, or that maybe in massive exposure... That's true. If you have a lot of carpenters, you will get cancer. That's why I try to limit my carpenters to one a day. I wonder about those various foods that are mildly radioactive, like Brazil nuts and bananas, is it? I wonder where they get classed.
00:18:08
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I mean, apple seeds are an interesting one. If you eat enough apple seeds, you will die. Apple seeds are very, very poisonous. But the dosage you tend to have if you eat an apple whole is so low it will have no effect. But if for some reason you were storing all your apple seeds in a jar over the course of a year, as one Japanese man did, and then you decided to eat the contents of that jar one day for reasons which we won't know, because said man is now dead, you will die.
00:18:40
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Apples are carcinogenic. They are mildly. Very mildly. So there's a whole bunch of health stuff. There are some other concerns about 5G. Some people think 5G's been killing birds or bees or possibly even dogs.
00:18:56
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Bee dog birds? Dogs with bees in their mouths when they bark, they shoot bees at you? That is a weapon of war that would be quite terrifying to say. Quite frankly, if 5G technology is harming them, I think that's a good thing. It's true. The last thing you want is a dog with a bee, although the only thing to stop a dog with a bee is a good guy with a dog with a bee. Precisely. Yes. So there's a bit of that. And that's been basically, there have been a couple of times when there have been mass bird deaths and people say 5G was to blame, although
5G’s Impact on Weather Forecasting
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We've talked about mass bird deaths in recent notes. Have we? Either in the patron episode or the news episodes. Spontaneous bird deaths. Did we? I don't know. You never recall any of the news segments. That's probably true. I do block them from my mind. And it's not just killing the wildlife. There's also, it gets to the extent of 5G technology could be messing with the weather, causing earthquake. Basically all the stuff that they used to blame HARP on can be blamed on 5G.
00:19:54
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on the weather front there is actually a legitimate concern about 5G which does relate to weather but not weather manipulation because it turns out that the part of the spectrum that we want to use for 5G transmission
00:20:09
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It's also the part of the spectrum that meteorologists currently use for weather prediction. And so the concern is, if you swap that part of the spectrum with telecommunication data, you make it quite difficult to engage in weather forecasting. And given that the kind of weather forecasting we're looking at here is extreme events like hurricanes and the like, suddenly you've got a system which kind of works to warn people about impending natural disaster
00:20:39
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that may not work because people are watching cat and dog videos online. And this is actually a really big fight that's going on in the States at the moment. So there's a fight between the Federal Communications Commission under Ajat Pai, who was appointed there by the Trump administration, and little organizations such as NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration who are basically going
00:21:07
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We need to actually work out which parts of the spectrum we're going to use and not give carte blanche permission that everyone use all of it because otherwise we lose very vital scientific data which is actually saving lives. And there is a concern that the FCC will allow anyone to use the 5G spectrum
00:21:28
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Because the Trump administration is very business focused, as is FCC under Pi, and also the kind of weather forecasting that's going on there might also contribute to reporting about anthropogenic climate change, which the Trump administration would rather people not engage in.
00:21:45
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So there is a serious concern here, and there is a suspicion that there might be a bit of a conspiracy going on as well. No, conspiracy. It's a good thing you mentioned that because this is a podcast that talks about conspiracies and conspiracy theories. Really? It is. No, that's what we've been doing for the last five years. Oh, I thought it was all about pillow fighting. No, no, I thought it was. I thought it would all be leading up to an excuse to me say that I like Johnny Mnemonic, but it turns out. So you're saying that if I do this, it's not part of the podcast.
00:22:15
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No, and it probably wouldn't be picked up by the microphone either, so this is just some prime content for the video watchers. They're me being beaten in the head. You know someone is going to extract this off YouTube and it'll be serving somebody's disturbing sexual fetish, a la Tickled by David Ferrier. That's going to be... One of the first conspiracy things we looked at. My disturbing fetish as well. Well, there we go.
00:22:37
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But no, conspiracy is in conspiracy theory. So far we've just been saying people are a bit scared of it, but then that immediately leads to sort of conspiracy theorising where they'll say that either
00:22:48
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People know that this stuff is harmful, and yet they're actively seeking to ignore or cover up that fact so that they can roll out their technology and make money off it. Or, I mean, one thing that comes up a lot is when I've sort of seen records of people protesting against 5G
Are there long-term studies on 5G's health effects?
00:23:05
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technologies. The claim has never been tested. The FCC is just chucking it out there. And so in this case, it's not even that people do know that it's harmful. It's people don't care whether or not it's harmful.
00:23:17
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But either way, that amounts to the fact that people are choosing to ignore these either known dangers or potential dangers for the sake of making money. So that's one angle to it. But the thing is, the reason, I mean, so it might be true there hasn't been any longitudinal study of the effect of 5G on the population for the shear fact that it's non-iodizing radiation. So the... It's also non-ionizing.
00:23:46
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True, it is true. It doesn't actually... We probably do want some iodizing radiation because here in New Zealand we are low in natural levels of iodine. That's why I put a lot of salt on my phone. Yes, you're quite right. It's also non-ionizing radiation. The iodine is actually irrelevant to this entire discussion. It is, completely. Scrap it from the record. No more iodine.
00:24:04
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So the fact that we know that it's not part of the electromagnetic spectrum which causes harm to organic matter like ourselves means that we're quietly confident that, well, unless the laws of nature change, it's actually perfectly safe to use. Now, people are concerned about the bee stuff in particular.
00:24:25
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because we still don't quite know everything about the ways that bees communicate. So we're fairly sure it's all based on dancing. That's actually true. But there might be other things going on which there... Well, in the same way that birds use attraction towards the north or south poles as part of their navigational technology. Technology is probably not the right word. Technique capabilities.
00:24:51
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going for, it's possible that parts of the spectrum might be things which insects are sensitive to, but it's not as if it's completely untested, it's just that the kind of longitudinal testing that 5G opponents want hasn't been engaged in. No, no.
00:25:10
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But yes, as you say, the science would suggest that it's not going to be harmful to human beings, at least. But that does not dissuade people. Now, interestingly enough, in looking at this, I see that there are not just conspiracy theories about 5G.
Is Russian Disinformation Influencing Anti-5G Sentiment?
00:25:26
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There are also counter conspiracy theories about anti-5G theories. And most of those come around.
00:25:33
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seem to be conspiracy theories about Russia. Well, yes, that's the thing. So supposedly, RT America, RT is what Russian television is? Russia Today. Russia Today America, which is a Russian TV station that broadcasts in America. It broadcasts both in Russia and also has a branch in America.
00:25:54
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Well, no. So, RT Russia is a Russian language one. RT America is the English language one. In the same respect, there's BBC America. But I don't think there's any, I don't think there's a CBS UK or MSNBC UK, it seems to be. It's only other people who go to America to educate the unwashed masses. Fair enough.
00:26:17
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But yes, so apparently for at least a year now, starting in 2018, RT America has been leaning fairly heavily into anti-5G content. They've been airing various articles and interviews with people all about the dangers of 5G and how it's all going to give us all cancer and so on, which has led people to suggest that
00:26:38
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A large component of 5G scaremongering is basically Russian disinformation. So a fellow called Ryan Fox, who's the chief operating officer of New Knowledge, a technology firm that tracks disinformation, has claimed its economic warfare. Russia doesn't have a good 5G play, so it tries to undermine and discredit ours. That from an article in the New York Times. And it's pointed out that within Russia, apparently 5G technology is actively promoted.
00:27:07
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to the extent that supposedly there have been news articles in Russia saying that 5G is actively good for your health, that sort of, you know, bathing yourself in 5G radiation is like good for your skin and rejuvenates you and all the sort of things they used to
00:27:23
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talk about radium when it first came out that causes people to get throat cancer. Back in the days where they used to make radium energy drinks, because it glows, it's green, it contains energy, it must be good for the body if you ingest it. Yes. The celebrities who endorsed those drinks all died.
00:27:42
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Yes, so the claim there is that Russian companies are looking to roll out 5G technologies, Chinese companies are looking to roll out 5G technologies, and these companies' technologies would be competing with American ones, and the claim is that this is trying to sort of possibly hobble the development of American technologies by turning public opinion against it or something like that to allow the other countries' 5G technologies to gain some sort of competitive advantage, which
00:28:12
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I mean, it sounds like something Russia would do, question mark.
00:28:17
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Well, I mean, if it is a situation where Russia doesn't have the technological foundation to run an effective 5G itself or can't compete on the world stage for the deployment of 5G, then yes, you can imagine a kind of disinformation campaign to make 5G unattractive to people outside of Russia as well. Now, of course, what's interesting about this
Huawei, 5G, and US-China Relations
00:28:43
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is the political aspect of the rollout of 5G, which has its own particular conspiracy theories. So you may be aware.
00:28:54
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There's a bit of a tiff going on between the UK and the US at the moment about 5G technology, because America would rather that... I'm going to mispronounce the firm's name again because I want to go... Hawaii. Pretty much. Brilliant. I always go... Who or why? Of course that's wrong. Hawaii.
00:29:16
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are a major Chinese firm which may or may not have connections to the CCP. And they are promoting their 5G technology overseas. So our country, Aotearoa New Zealand, has had a big debate as to whether we will use Huawei 5G tech in our
00:29:35
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cell phone transmitters, the UK has said they're going to, and America has said, but you can't, because all the intelligence stuff indicates that Huawei puts in backdoors which will allow the Chinese government to snoop.
00:29:50
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upon what you're doing, we would rather you installed American 5G technology which has US backdoors which allows us to snoop upon what you're doing, which is basically the debate here, which superpower is going to have access to your data to harvest. But there are conspiracy theories galore, not about 5G as a spectrum and the danger it poses, but
00:30:17
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who's producing the equipment and thus whose government is going to be able to use that data for their own malignin? Yes, and I mean, this has also caused a fair bit of confusion in recent times with people sort of saying, oh, can I have my Huawei cell phone then? Is it spying on me? And so it's not the phones, it's specifically the infrastructural technology around a 5G network. People are worried that
00:30:46
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that they could be in some way compromised and so that all of your cell phone data that's going through these networks could be monitored and who the hell knows what else. But yeah, as you say, it kind of comes down to whose government do you want spying on rather than avoiding
00:31:05
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And yeah, and so that's been the thing certainly here. There's been a fair bit of debate about whether or not we want Huawei to be supplying us with 5G technology. Last I heard it might just depend on the networks, the various cell phone companies might, you know, some will be using some technology and some others.
00:31:22
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Yeah, others are saying, look, it's possible to ameliorate against backdoors in the tech by imposing other security layers on top of it. So basically prevent that information from ever being accessible to the actual repeater stations themselves, which is basically part of the big debate as to
00:31:39
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Whether we use the tech but we use things on top of it, whether we don't use the tech, whether we go for another country's tech because it's politically convenient, it all ends up being a big political issue in which there are conspiracy theories being thrown around by people in power to dissuade you of using other people who are in power and their technology.
00:32:00
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Now, one final point, returning to the whole 5G is evil because it gives you cancer and kills baby birds.
Comparing Historical and Current Technology Fears
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There is the question of why 5G? We said when we mentioned it before, we sort of said it's kind of becoming the new 1080 poison in New Zealand, the issue that people who have some sort of beef with the government will bring up.
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There's all the stuff about 5G and the dangers of it around. Why weren't people worried about 1 through 4G? But of course, the reply to that is, well, actually, were they? Yes, because people have been concerned about new technology since time immemorial. Cell phones cause cancer. Radios cause cancer. Reading will cause a human's brain to overheat, which is why people shouldn't read particularly often.
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new forms of technology, whether that be the printed page, radios or cell phones, there is going to be a certain amount of scare mongering by people are going, but we don't know what happened if we use this for a long period of time. So yes, it does kind of seem like 5G is just the issue du jour, but the fact that all these technologies have existed previously is kind of a challenge when you're saying, OK, hang on, you're saying 5G is bad,
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But isn't it just the same technology we've had since the 1970s? So what's different about 5G? And people do try to answer that, but it generally just sort of seems to be, oh, it's such a big jump. Its frequencies, there's
00:33:37
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So much more, so much more, because as we said, so many more cell towers is going to be so much more of it, because it's a much bigger jump from 4G to 5G in terms of the bandwidths used and
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the claims that the higher the frequency you get when it comes to radio frequencies, the higher frequency they are, the more damaging they are, which I believe is actually the opposite, isn't it? The damaging ones, your x-rays and your radiation. The slow-moving ones. The lower frequency ones. The high-frequency ones actually bounce off things, which is why you need more cell phone towers.
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So when it comes to people actually answering why is 5G a problem when previous cell phone networks haven't been, assuming they don't believe that previous cell phone networks were a problem, it definitely comes down to a question of quantity rather than being any sort of great qualitative difference.
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Or maybe it's all Russian disinformation. Which is a possibility. I mean, we actually can't rule that out. We know that Russian disinformation is largely, when I say largely, is a significant contributing factor in the belief of ancient alien beliefs in the US. It turns out that a lot of the
00:34:55
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websites and Twitter accounts that promote ancient alien Ufology style beliefs are actually originating from Russia, which is leading some people to go. This appears to be an attempt by particular parts of the Russian infosec community to make Americans look stupid and it's working.
00:35:15
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So who knows? I mean, there could be, I mean, obviously, it doesn't have to be one thing either. I mean, as we say, people have been freaking out over new technologies since new technologies have existed. So it could be the two working in tandem. It could be that Russia, what do you call people who produce Russian disinformation, disinformationists?
00:35:34
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Disinformation agents is the easiest way to phrase it. That'll do. Russian disinformation agents saw this sort of groundswell coming and so then capitalised upon it. You know, there are plenty of possibilities. But either way, when you actually look at the science behind it, it does seem that these particular conspiracy theories don't seem to have much to talk about. They do seem a bit suspicious, don't they? Just a wee bit suspicious.
00:35:57
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So there we go. You've now been schooled in 5G technologies and their conspiracy theories by the most knowledgeable person on 5G technologies in the entire history of the human race, Dr. M.R. Extentive. I don't think I'm overselling you there. No, definitely there's not going to be anyone responding to this podcast or YouTube video with things that we got wrong. No, it's inconceivable that there would be. And of course,
00:36:21
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The fact that you have listened to slash watched this episode of this podcast means that now you also partake in this expertise and can probably consider yourselves among the leading experts in 5G technology throughout the world. We have damned the entire human race. Are you saying that we were 5G technology all along? No. Johnny Mnemonic was 5G technology.
00:36:47
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And 5G technology is awesome. That's all I'm going to say. Dolph Lundgren is the Russian threat to 5G. Yeah. Well, he was the Russian threat to Rocky, so why not? Yeah, precisely. So, enough... Oh, actually, I missed a pop culture reference before as well because... Sorry, I have to bring this in. We forgot to mention this earlier.
00:37:07
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One of the things I was reading about the dangers of 5G technology talked about the fact that because 5G technology allows such faster, low latency internet communication, it's not just people on their cell phones. Lots more devices will be able to talk to each other. Like your vibrator. And what have you. Like your vibrator, perhaps, if you've got one of those. And if you haven't, why haven't? Which caused people to say, also, all the machines are going to start talking to each other. Skynet anyone?
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So I figured, if we're going to have Johnny Mnemonic references, we'd better get a Terminator one as well. 5G technology just in time for Terminator Dark Fate. Not sure how I feel about that. No, I'm very, very confused by it, in part because James Cameron is making
00:37:52
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five more Avatar films? And he's produced from Dark Fate? Okay, so someone who's decided to make five Avatar films is not someone who's making good life decisions? No, no, I don't think so. That said, I didn't hate Genesis. Like, it wasn't a good film, but it was much better than it should have been by all rights.
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I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying it should have been an utter chiropractic. I'm just trying to go... And it wouldn't decide it was just stupid fun. It was, but it was so stupid. Well, so, so stupid. Unlike the Patreon bonus content which is coming up.
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after the break. Yes, we'll be talking about the whale oil saga, which we kind of put a full stop on last week, but we've actually got not one, not to be the first stop, but to be the first dot in an ellipsis, which means it's going to keep on going forever and ever. Almost certainly. As I feared. So yes, we have two updates on the whole whale or whale, so whale ogre saga, which is kind of appropriate, given Cam Slater, but no, the whale oil saga.
00:39:01
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which also means there's going to be a quick review of this particular volume here, Whale Oil by Margie Thompson, which is a fairly interesting rave. For our podcast listeners, Dr Dent, this is holding that book directly in front of the camera. It's a physical artifact possessed by the two of us. Well, possessed by you, really.
00:39:23
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Actually, it belongs to my brother, Lawrence. It doesn't even belong to him. It's borrowed from a friend down in Wellington. Well, there we go. The position is an intangible concept. It's very well travelled. So there'll be a quick review of that. And finally, we'll be talking about Jeffrey Epstein's plan to create Superhumans, which includes in it, and I quote,
Epstein’s Bizarre Preservation Plan
00:39:46
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Mr. Epstein told someone he wanted his head and penis to be frozen.
00:39:50
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Well, we've all felt that way one way at one time or another, I suppose.
00:39:55
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Indeed you have, indeed you have. So that's all I think we have for this particular episode. So we're going to start recording and then start recording the new patron bonus episode, which all of our new patron bonus listeners can bonusly listen to. That's an adverb, I assume. The rest of you are thankful listening anyway. If you want to become a patron, please do, but if you don't,
00:40:23
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You know, no pressure. Yeah, just continue living your... You do you, you live your life. The lives that you live that don't have patron bonus episodes in them. But to all of you in general, goodbye and good night. Goodbye. And good night.
00:40:50
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And remember, remember, oh, December was a night.