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Welcome to the Lunch Hour!
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Our inaugural episode introduces - THE LUNCH HOUR!
The Lunch Hour podcast is a production of the National Association of Advising in the Health Professions (NAAHP, inc.). In each episode, we will further the discussion of best practices, emerging issues, and meaningful conversations in the health professions.
The Committee on Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion (CDEI) hosts episodes centered around creating a more just and equitable health professions community.
Our music is Afrobeats by FASS Sounds
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Introduction and Purpose of the Podcast
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Hi folks, in this, our very first episode of the Lunch Hour podcast, we are going to be introducing you to
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lunch hour podcast. We're going to set the stage for what this is all about, introduce some of the key players, and let you know what you can expect from future episodes. This is going to be, I think, a very fun, hopeful hour of your week every few months, but we're also hoping to get some other folks across NAP really engaged and involved
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and just present content in a completely different way than what you're perhaps used to. So we're really excited to have you join us this week on The Lunch Hour.
Meet the Hosts: John, Misty, and Zuri
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All right, so welcome to the lunch hour. This is a production and the official podcast of the National Association of Advisors for the Health Professions from here forward known as NAP.
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I am your host this episode. My name is John Moses Bronson. I'm a NAP member from Penn State University in beautiful University Park, Pennsylvania. I'm joined by two of my wonderful colleagues from the CDEI for NAP. Misty, I'm going to popcorn you first to introduce yourself, let the listeners know who you are.
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Awesome. Thanks, John. I am Misty Wakuhala-Pointe. I am the director for pre-professional advising at the University of Illinois, Chicago, where it is gray and cold and kind of snowy today. So not at all beautiful, but here we are. And just as a reminder, I am currently one of the co-chairs for the Committee on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, which is the group that's bringing you this podcast. And we're really excited to be doing this.
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All right. Popcorn Zuri. All right. I am here. Um, I am Zuri Obadle Bennett, and I am, um, also one of the co-chairs for NAPCDI. My role, full-time role is a pre-health advisor assistant director at Johns Hopkins University. Um, I am personally a Jersey girl and an implant to Maryland. So I've been here working in pre-health for about, uh, seven years, almost seven years. So I'm really glad to.
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Be here with both John and Misty kicking off this idea, moving it from idea to action. So we're really excited to join in the conversation today.
Origin of the Podcast: Empathy Mapping and Podcast Medium
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All right, so where we're gonna start today is where did this idea come from? Because we might not always associate like a national advising association and the podcast hand in hand. So, you know, this is something that we had talked about for a while, but where did the original idea thought process behind this podcast really come from?
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Gosh, Zuri, did you come up with the idea? I don't remember. Honestly, I think it was one of those byproducts of the empathy mapping situation that we did in 2021 all the way to 2022. I think it was one of those things that people kept emphasizing their interest of using podcasts as a way to inform themselves. So it might have actually been John who was like, we should do a podcast. And then we looked and said,
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Okay, do you know how to do podcasts? I definitely know it was John that said we can do this, which I appreciated for sure. And I don't know about y'all, but for me, I think we do so much reading and so much like intake of information, visually, that sometimes it's nice to think about things in a different way. And I use a lot of podcasts just to like,
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think about history. I love history podcasts. I love social commentary podcasts. So to maybe combine a little bit of that for our NAPCDEI feedback and allow people to think about the topics that we've been discussing over the last few years in a new way that they can access, you know, when you're doing dishes or going for a walk made a lot of sense to me. Yeah, it's always nice to put, you know, 1.5 on speed.
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You can listen much faster than you can. You're one of those people. Yeah. For me personally, I think about, you know, one of the things that we, you know, at Penn State, we started a podcast and that was in response to a couple of things. Like we have 20 campuses and trying to find times that work for students at 20 different campuses that function in 20 different ways.
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It's really difficult. We have a lot of first-generation students who are busy at different times of the day. So having one session on a topic at 6 PM on a Thursday, we knew that we were losing people. And thinking about how we do a lot of the content delivery outside of conferences with NAP, it's a lot of webinars, which are wonderful and great.
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but they are at one specific time. And there's a recording, but sometimes it's like hard to feel engaged with a recording where there are like, there's a live audience there that you were not a part of. It can feel like
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Like you're a weird sort of, it's sort of like a voyeur type of thing. Like I'm here, but should I be here? It's a weird interaction, but podcasts are designed to sort of like bring the listener in and tell a story. So it seemed to me at least like we could take this concept to an idea that we were applying in one way for students and apply it for our colleagues.
NAP Mission and Podcast Goals
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And there's also a respectable place to like play random music inserts. We can have some fun with this somehow.
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Yeah, if you hear like random sound effects, they are real. I built some that I thought would be fun. So we will see some of them are very cheesy and I do love them. Okay, so when we
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So we were like, okay, this is something that we can do, and having the ability to do something, and it actually being a good idea are two different things. How did we take this idea and say, this is how we could perhaps live in the NAP universe?
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So, um, like I know Zuri for you, you talked about, you kind of like looked at NAP's mission and how this could be an alignment with that. So can you talk about sort of our goal with how this podcast will help accomplish that? Yeah, for sure. Um, you know, there has been a lot of intentional, um, decision-making as it pertains to the association from all
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fronts and the hope was to kind of break down those silos between committees and initiatives going on within NAP with the hope of NAP CDI playing a crucial role in advocating and supporting from the national level to the regional to be able to allow people to feel
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One, welcomed in the association, regardless of background experience, their own identities that they hold and those they serve within the pre-health community. And then also serve as a resource to help have those critical conversations as it pertains to all of DEIJ, right? So diversity, equity, inclusion, and justice. So that in mind, DEIJ, pre-health,
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Um, spaces, um, we want it to really foster meaningful conversations in different ways. And we've done that through presentations and holding workshops and webinars. Um, and I think the podcast is just another format in which we can do that and continue in that misty. Yeah, no, I would totally agree. I mean, I think, um,
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Gosh, we've been doing CDEI together for four years. And we've had a lot of accomplishments, which have been great. And I think with the podcast, it's yet one more way to connect with different members in different ways and touch on different areas of interest to continue to learn and grow because none of us are. I mean, you can't be an expert. We're all learning and we're all
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engaging and to do that together in a way that's different and interesting and allows us to bring some different voices in that aren't just the folks who are on the committee for CDEI, I think is really exciting. Yeah, I think
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One thing I think that we're consciously trying to build towards is cultural humility. If any of us have looked at the surprise changes to the AAMC core competencies that came out without notification or fanfare, that's one of our new core competencies that we're trying to build for students. If we're not arming the people that are supposed to help guide
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our students on these journeys with these important tools. How do we expect our students to A, know how to do it, but B, how to demonstrate it or be able to articulate it in their future applications? Yeah. 100 percent agree. Absolutely.
Understanding Community Needs through Empathy Mapping
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So, Zura, you've sort of like dropped this idea of like this empathy mapping project that this committee undertook.
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And so for some of our newer members that may not have been a part of that, can you explain how you and Misty sort of like ninjid this thing across the entire organization and what some of the key takeaways that we learned from that work?
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I just want to give credit due here. Zuri brought the empathy mapping idea to the committee. So without your knowledge of what this was, I don't know that we would be where we are as a committee because so many of our conversations and so many of the things that we have decided to work on have really come out of this process. Like the results side came out of empathy mapping. So I just wanted to put that out there before you start describing the process.
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Oh, wait, wait, really quick. It's like the little light bulb goes off. I love it. And I appreciate that. And I accept that compliment. Um, I definitely, um, I think this diet, empathy mapping. No, I know for sure. The empathy mapping idea has come out of my own
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interest of diversifying my inputs. And I've had the opportunity to be in innovative spaces when it comes to impact driven entrepreneurship, where empathy mapping is used as a core tool for understanding users and how do you empathetically move through environments where you're not assuming that you understand what people need and what they're thinking and what their thoughts and feelings are around particular issues.
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Um, but instead you do an active process of understanding that. And so, um, taking transferring that experience, I thought it was like, well, as a co-chair and member of a committee that it felt like so much weight was being put on our shoulders to have answers and advocate for groups. Um, I didn't know everything and know everything, right?
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I'm like, I'm working off my own identities at this point and the experience is dead. And so I'm not wanting it to be biased from my own perspectives of DEI. I thought it was best like, why not find a way to assess and gain insight on what the greater NAP community was feeling about issues. And so,
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I personally felt like I should essentially bring forth an idea that moved us away from assuming we knew what the membership wanted to see.
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and move more towards having an understanding and then almost qualitatively bringing it together to bring forth possible solution. Yeah, these topics are so complex because it's not even like it's a single dimension, right? Like if we were only talking about like one type of identity, like it would be a lot easier to sort of like reach towards building like a singular understanding
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But that's just not the situation. And what I really like about the empathy mapping tools, it's supposed to take these super complex interrelated things and to be able to unpack that in some meaningful way.
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Cause the questions themselves aren't actually like that difficult. They're really accessible for folks. Like it's like, what are you seeing? What are you hearing? What are you doing?
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you don't have to have a master's degree in diversity, equity, and inclusion to engage with that topic. And so because it's an accessible tool, everybody felt like they had a seat at the table, even our majority of advisors who are majority identified, because it is an area where a lot of those individuals do shy away from because of like,
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that lack of knowledge or perceived lack of expertise. So, you know, Zuri, you talked a lot about the process itself. Can you talk a little bit about the process of how that information got collected itself? Yeah, for sure. And I'm going to tag Misty in this because I think our memory together is definitely better than my memory alone. I will definitely say it came out one of just
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setting up, um, we kind of ran a trial with some of our leadership, um, as a way to say, okay, well, this format work, we knew that one, we wanted anonymity to be a component of collecting the information and then how we could do it with, um, large numbers where anonymity actually can still be preserved. Cause it's one of those groups are too small then
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we know who's talking versus there being an opportunity for people to voice their authentic thoughts, concerns, and feelings. And then we kind of facilitated that through presentations at our regional conferences. So I can let Misty kind of talk about like how we went about doing that. Yeah. I mean, and I think the anonymity piece was really important.
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especially when we're talking about things related to diversity, equity, and inclusion that people, no one wants to feel
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like they are putting themselves out there for a public shaming if they say the wrong thing or if they come across as ignorant or, well, nobody wants to come across as ignorant. And I will say, I don't think anybody did, for those of you who participated. You all actually were very thoughtful.
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which we really appreciated. And we used a online tool. Zuri, I don't know if you remember the name of it, but folks were able to go in and type anonymously. And it was a bit challenging because
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We had I think 30 people in each screen essentially trying to type all at the same time we gave everyone a minute or less to respond to the questions in order to keep people from thinking too long or trying to read other folks.
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responses while they were typing them. So we were asking people to type all in the same space at the same time. Um, and it did get, you know, occasionally confusing, but I think once we got the hold, the hang of it, um, it made it, I dunno, a little nerve wracking, but still kind of fun to be like, can I get my responses in before the time is up? Yeah.
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I don't remember the tool specifically, and I think there are actually other tools that function the same way. Even Google Docs, you can kind of do it as well because you can protect anonymity. I guess for the data people, if they haven't seen our sway and our presentations for the everything happening, especially new members. So there were about a total of 245 participants across all regions.
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and nine total empathy map sessions. So within those nine, 245. And we had presented them with a number of topics and then they were able to choose. And so that's how we kind of got the qualitative data. And that sway is actually fully still accessible and part of resources. And I think it also led us to develop more resources.
00:19:10
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as it pertained to the topics that we brought forth, which were cultural humility. It was cultural competency and advocacy, which to your point earlier, John, about the AAMC's surprise new competencies. One of them is cultural humility. And what I found interesting is out of that empathy mapping
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I think eight of the nine groups chose cultural competency with the Central Association for Advisors of the Health Professions choosing advocacy. But I think a lot of that came out of the sense and part of what we're trying to do here with the podcast is that folks don't feel culturally competent.
00:19:51
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And then this idea of can you ever become culturally competent or is the goal to work towards cultural humility and understanding, which ties really back into what we're trying to do and that advocacy comes from a feeling of cultural humility or at least a feeling of preparedness maybe that you have a little bit of groundwork and you're ready to kind of be more active
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in that? Yeah, for sure. I guess to circle back to John's also question was like, what are the products, right? Like what else came out of it? So one huge participation across the National Association, I feel like we had a great response to it. I would also say that a plethora of resources to help
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Membership feel like they can learn about aspects of DEI in a no judgment zone. It was produced in so those list of resources anywhere from books to read, podcasts to listen to, even structures of courses that you could run for students or your colleague peers as well.
00:21:10
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And then one big one that people that we actually went and piloted at the national, our regional, well, national conference and then regional conferences was the experience exchange, which was a direct result of hearing that groups of advisors want to also feel like they have a community
Future Content: Topics and Guests
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within the National Association and
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being able to not just talk about the students we serve, but the identities we hold ourselves and how that impacts and leads the work that we do.
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And for folks who aren't familiar with the experience exchange, maybe we should describe what that was and what that is. So with the 2022 conference in Denver, we piloted three sessions of what we called experience exchanges. So one was for BIPOC individuals, one was for LGBTQIA individuals, and one was for individuals who identify as disabled or neurodiverse
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And essentially, they were opportunities to come together and meet other folks who are part of the NAP community, who hold those identities. Because the idea for those came out,
00:22:31
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kind of in the middle of the committee planning process, we weren't able to sort of get ideal times for those. So we ended up running them twice, I think, so that folks who had multiple identities could attend more than one session. And they went well. I mean, we got great feedback in terms of folks who participated, feeling like it helped them build community, get to know each other. I don't know what other feedback you guys
00:23:01
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thought was particularly relevant, but it was enough for us to sort of say, okay, we should continue to try to manifest these at different conferences. So this summer, even more moving parts, or in 2023, even more moving parts with the regional conferences, every regional conference hosted experience exchanges. Similar topics, I believe Southern hosted one for first gen college students. So did Mia.
00:23:31
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And yeah, yeah. And again, great experiences that came out of that. So I think moving forward, we anticipate certainly in 2024, and we hope continuing on even after that, that there are opportunities for folks to gather and connect and
00:23:49
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have a way to find each other especially in the National Conference which tends to be quite large and help make those connections because I think the more that we feel supported within our own professional organization the more that we can support other folks and our students as well. Agree. Yeah figuring out how articulate like our own value add because of these identities that we hold and how that makes us
00:24:19
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more skilled, more experienced, more valuable advisors. It translates directly to these skills that we're trying to develop in our students, you know, especially with the recent decisions by the Supreme Court
00:24:33
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An individual's ability to advocate and to articulate their journey and distance traveled in very specific, meaningful ways has only gotten more important. And the impact of being able to do that well is going to be very seen and very visual in the cohorts that we see going into these schools and future admission cycles. Agreed.
00:25:02
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So we've kind of like brought people up to speed on like what they can sort of expect from here, and at least in this episode, where it came from, the tactics that we use to get here. What can folks expect from the future of this podcast? What does future episodes look like? Where are we searching? What are topics that we're considering? Hasn't it? So Misty?
00:25:33
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I'll take it. I mean, I think, so diversity, equity, and inclusion, and I'm going to include the J for justice. I mean, it's such a big topic, and it really encompasses everything in our world, right? And as I said before, it's an ever moving subject. The world is changing. Our society is changing every moment.
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So it's not like we can ever say, oh, we've reached the pinnacle. We know everything. So I think ideally, we will continue to have guests from a range of different areas, not just medical schools or not just physicians, but folks who are thinking about topics, individuals who are working in health care, individuals who are working in policy,
00:26:30
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folks within the NAP organization who have opportunities for advisors or new ways of thinking about things to be a part of the podcast here and talk about how DEI and DEIJ are incorporated into their committees or into the work that they're doing
00:26:52
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with the advisor or with the new blog or those sorts of things. So I guess that's the lovely thing about DEI is it's not just we talk, we're not just going to talk about admissions or, you know,
00:27:11
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the Supreme Court decision, although no doubt that will be encompassed throughout our conversations, especially in the next year as things are so unknown at the moment. But I look forward to the podcast really growing and changing with the times.
00:27:33
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It's like we're creating all these little time capsules of conversations at the time in which they're created. And hopefully five, 10 years down the road, fingers crossed this podcast will still exist. And I think that we'll see that we're still having a lot of the same sorts of conversations, but hopefully that needle has tipped.
00:27:53
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significantly further forward, or at least a little bit forward, you know, fingers crossed across the board. But yeah, with recordings of presentations, they're often hard to find. But with a podcast, it gets to live across time. I recently read this quote that like feels kind of appropriate here. Plus, it just sounds pretty to me. Like if art is how we decorate space,
00:28:23
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then like sound and music is how we decorate time. And like this podcast and the conversations that we have are just showing the decorations of the time in which they were created. And I think that'll be something really interesting to look back on in the future.
00:28:43
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I know that we have a big, big, big, long list of potential speakers and topics. And I hope that our listeners, if there's something that you in particular see coming up, even if you feel it might be super regionally relevant, that is totally fine. We all have something to learn. Even if you feel it's a very local issue, local issues have global implications. And so we would love to have
00:29:10
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other ideas from our membership and our listenership tell us like, yo, dogs, let's talk about this. Yeah. Or this has become important. Yeah.
Engagement and Real-Time Conversations
00:29:23
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Yeah. Well, and I think in a lot of ways, I mean, not to
00:29:27
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put down in any way written materials, but there's a long lead time with that. People feel like they have to do research and write it well and it takes time to be published and then get it out there.
00:29:46
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you know, publicize that to people. Whereas I do think with the podcast, to some extent, it's fairly immediate. Yeah. Where we're not overly rehearsed, we're just, you know, having a conversation. And I think that's really what this podcast will be, are conversations. And conversations flow where the questions or the mind sparks with that little ta-da sound.
00:30:16
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Oh, you mean this? Yes. When we have that moment and we go, I need to follow that in a way that when you're writing, your brain is moving much faster than you can write.
00:30:29
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and we can speak and have those conversations and the emotion and maybe even uncertainty that comes out in our voices is really reflective of the emotions that we're feeling at the time in a way that writing is a little bit more distant. So to your point, I think with the podcast and with these conversations that they are immediate and they are sort of that timely moment. To add to your immediate
00:30:58
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response comment. I don't want to put the plug. I don't know if you have a sound for like, oh, here's the news. Okay. I want to thank the leadership for diving in on this. So one of the things is like, you know, there's one thing as a committee to
00:31:18
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Um, or even, you know, part of any type of entity to have an idea, but to have leadership that supports and provides ways to be able to move ideas to actual fruition is super important for change. So, um, I think one of the things that allowed us to move from, I think we could do a podcast to actually having one, um, had to do a lot with there being a process to put in a request for proposal. So for those.
00:31:47
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that don't know, right? And are listening, there are opportunities to join committees and have opportunities to make very quick implement, like low hanging fruit suggestions that can really make huge impacts to the way that the association benefits you and others in it. And so it was really, our idea was met with enthusiasm and support. And so we were able to,
00:32:16
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honestly hit the ground running really quickly. And so we hope that our listeners are just on a journey with us on making this a valuable platform where we can all learn and grow and be able to gain perspectives that are valuable to the work we do every day. Absolutely. And maybe hear what it's like when we're all together just chatting about these topics as a group.
00:32:44
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Yeah, it's a little bit of a peek behind the curtain, so to speak, to use my dated Wizard of Oz reference. But sometimes it's nice to see that the wizard is really just a man in a coat. And it's not that. And full of people chatting with each other about these topics. Yeah, we are learning, too, because like you said, it's a moving target. There are people with PhDs in these areas that continue to learn every day.
00:33:14
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And so you can't, we, no one person can hold themselves to that standard because it's just simply not achievable. And it's an unhealthy place to put your expectations or place expectations on other people. Yeah. 100%. Agreed.
00:33:33
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So in upcoming episodes, like we said, we're going to try and cover a lot of different areas. We do not have the time, resources, funding to be a weekly podcast. So if that's what you think this is, I'm so sorry, sister. If anyone wants to fund me to have this as my job, that might be OK.
00:33:56
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I would love to if all I had to do with was this all day, I could I could do it twice a week podcast. There you go.
00:34:04
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But that is not the reality of our lives. But we are hoping that we will get some engagement from some of the other committees if they have the time, bandwidth, and interest. I know that there have been conversations of taking some of our things that we're already doing, like maybe webinars, town halls, things like that, and how do we
00:34:29
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You know, also at the same time, also create a podcast out of those same things. How, how do we take what we're already doing and share it in this format as well? Don't know what that's going to look like. You know, I'm not, I don't currently nor plan in the near future to work for NAP, but you know, you never know. I could be convinced of anything for the right salary.
00:35:00
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But anyway, we are so thankful for you all, our listeners, for joining us for this introductory episode of The Lunch Hour. We look forward to the opportunity to engage in meaningful conversations around DEIJ and the health professions. Please stay tuned for upcoming episodes. We are fingers crossed, hoping to have another episode out within the next month-ish.
00:35:26
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Yes. Every quarter you have at least one episode. So, you know, we got to find a way to get the listeners suggestions. That's a good question. So if you are a listener and you're like, wow, I would love for you to talk about X. You know what? Go ahead and email me, John Moses Bronson, cute little old me.
00:35:52
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at Penn State University. You can email me at jrm68 at psu.edu. Please put nap podcast in the deck line just because I'm sure you're all aware that we all get mountains of emails and I am no exception. So feel free to reach out to me. I can get those things sort of in a nice convenient space for all of us to talk about and we can
00:36:20
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especially if you have leads for it. Hey, you yourself, if you're an expert on a topic that you'd like to share with a membership, oh, hot diggity dog. That's a lot easier to manage. I'm from the South. I lost the accent, but the culture's there. Say, if you are doing something interesting, innovative, you are excited about something that you're doing with your students or for your students that relates to DEIJ,
00:36:50
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Let us know. Yes, we're going to definitely make this not only about informative aspects, but we want it to be highlighting, highlighting different that her jersey just came out of me real strong, highlighting different accomplishments and work. We want to share best practices and good opportunities because I think that like, you know,
00:37:16
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why make a new wheel if something is working well and we can just, you know, tweak it to fit what works for our population. So we hope that people feel like this is only a, well, not only that it is an open door policy, figuratively speaking, our NAP CDI door, so that we are reflecting the thoughts and feelings of the membership and not just our own.
00:37:45
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sometimes often very much brilliant ideas, but not the light. And I will say I have been grateful for folks in NAP who have come along with us on this wild ride over the last few years and who engage with us and commit time and energy and give us suggestions and we're excited to bring y'all along on this new
00:38:11
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roller coaster ride that we're gonna go on here. And if you don't feel like you have all of the world to offer, just start with something small that you can offer. I wasn't super involved with first. I was the cute little person in the corner, like, I'm gonna listen. And it just took saying, hey, I can design a poster.
00:38:37
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And then we grabbed on to John and never let him go. And now we're best buddies. It's true. It's true. Whenever we're at the same conferences, we like shark each other out. Yeah, I definitely and I'll say the last thing I'll say is like, sometimes your best ideas come out of personal frustrations. Yeah.
00:38:57
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I know I personally have served on committees, whether within my role in other associations that I've been in, where it felt like it was a revolving door of the same conversations and no one was getting out. And so definitely wanting to say, okay, what can we do? Whether how small, incremental is really been the focus for me as co-chair and just say, okay, let's be about it, not just talk about it.
00:39:26
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in some small way. So I definitely advocate for just sometimes taking that small leap and putting something out there and then knowing that it's a process.
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All right, I'm going to wrap this up because like if honestly, if we get started, we could really go forever. Please stay tuned for upcoming episodes. We have a couple irons in the fire for our real premiere episode. This is sort of our intro premiere episode. Think of it as like the Diet Coke version of like the full sugar Coke that we're going to get later on.
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This is like you're just one calorie sampling of what this podcast is and what it can be. So please stay tuned. We want your feedback. We want your engagement. You are the essential piece of this mission. If you are not liking, engaging, wanting from this, we are missing the mark and we need to retool. So please engage with us if you can, want to.
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Think about it at two o'clock in the morning. I don't care if I get a 2 a.m. email. I will feel bad for you and say sorry, you can't sleep in my response to you. But until next time, we are just so grateful that you were here, but keep striving for a more inclusive and just help professions community.