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Speaker: Good morning and welcome to another episode of Sweetness and Light.
Speaker: I'm one of your hosts, Justin, a.k.a.
Speaker: Justy, along with... Another one of your hosts, Eric.
Speaker: Good morning, Justy.
Speaker: How are you doing?
Speaker: You know, Mr. EGCM, I am living la vida loca, as you like to say, right?
Speaker: Uh...
Speaker: Occasionally, I suppose.
Speaker: I don't know that I've ever used that term, but I'm aware of it.
Speaker: I thought it was a very Canadian phrase, is it not?
Speaker: It was probably Canadians who've said it.
Speaker: Dude, how are you?
Speaker: You know, I'm pretty good, thanks.
Speaker: How are you doing?
Speaker: How's the family?
Speaker: I know that you've been taking care of a sick wife three times COVID in a very short span of time.
Speaker: Well, first of all, thank you for asking.
Speaker: Secondly, what I'll tell you is that we had an argument last night about how many times she's gotten it.
Speaker: Because I said, you know, if I'm just looking back here, I think you've got it three to four times.
Speaker: She's like, no, this is at least the earliest thing, the most I've ever gotten.
Speaker: It's twice.
Speaker: I'm like, Kelly, I don't...
Speaker: I don't think that's right.
Speaker: I started counting things off and she goes, well, that wasn't COVID.
Speaker: And I'm like, but you test the positive.
Speaker: I think it was a false positive.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: So we both agree, though, this time it was COVID.
Speaker: She is recovering.
Speaker: I want to get your take on this.
Speaker: So she's incredibly snotty today, but she decided to take the kids with some friends to a water park here called Typhoon, Texas.
Speaker: Now, I'm grossed out by the fact that she's so snotty and willing to go into multiple pools and make a deposit.
Speaker: What are your thoughts?
Speaker: Yeah, I mean...
Speaker: There's reason to be leery of some of these places anyway because of other people.
Speaker: When it's your own people doing it, that makes you question people's judgment.
Speaker: Public pools, as we know, certainly ones that have kids are already receptacles for a lot of bodily fluids, certainly a lot of urine, and obviously saliva and snot and stuff are getting in there, not to mention blood.
Speaker: I guess, millions of dead skin cells.
Speaker: But that's the price of swimming, right?
Speaker: Like, I mean, that's just what happens.
Speaker: But when you're adding in viruses to that, that's part of the mix you don't necessarily want.
Speaker: You know you're ingesting human bodily fluids.
Speaker: The other piece of it is a little extra, as you like to say.
Speaker: It's a little down.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Now, I guess people talked for a while about that...
Speaker: That purple dye that if kids were peeing in pools or adults, it detected it and sort of made a stream coming out from showing the shot.
Speaker: Now, what can you tell me about that?
Speaker: Well, I will tell you a side note here on that.
Speaker: So we have a pool at our house, right?
Speaker: And so we were about to have a party when we first got it as kind of a welcoming party.
Speaker: And I said, listen, Kelly.
Speaker: Can I buy some of this stuff to just see?
Speaker: Because I think that I always thought adults more than kids.
Speaker: It'd be great fun.
Speaker: But I wanted to call out adults that did it.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I wanted to see people.
Speaker: And you can't buy it.
Speaker: I tried everywhere.
Speaker: I went to Leslie's.
Speaker: I went to all these different places and they don't sell it anymore.
Speaker: So I'm bummed.
Speaker: So anyone out there that can get it for me, I would love to put it in my pool just to see who's really doing it.
Speaker: Now, you think that the reason that they don't sell it is because so many people are peeing in pools.
Speaker: I mean, it's just that like in a public pool, like in a public pool of hundreds of people, you'd have purple streams, you know, shooting out from different.
Speaker: If you could watch it like, you know, if it was like sort of like a fireworks display or like, you know, your black light, if that worked, it would just be like shots going off all over the place every few seconds.
Speaker: It would be like, yeah, it would be beautiful in a in a in an asparagus kind of way.
Speaker: I think you're 100% correct.
Speaker: And I think what nails this point is that my wife is part of a group called the Hot Tub Book Club.
Speaker: So they basically talk about a book that they read in a hot tub.
Speaker: Well, she said the last time they win, it was at a friend's, I think it was Monica's house, actually.
Speaker: They were in the pool, in the spa for four hours drinking alcohol and no one ever left.
Speaker: I'm like, you know that they're, and she's like, yeah, I peed at least four times.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: So there's a lot going on.
Speaker: So, you know, for any of the water sports people, this is like combining various kinds of water sports together. 100%.
Speaker: Can you imagine, like, I wouldn't want to be in the water after, like, a polo match, you know, between the blood and everything else.
Speaker: You mean a water polo match.
Speaker: Or you would.
Speaker: Or you would if that's your thing.
Speaker: Correct.
Speaker: It's not my thing.
Speaker: And did you notice how I had to toss it out there because it's been at least six episodes since I've said it.
Speaker: Water polo.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Incorrect.
Speaker: Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker: I'll tell you this.
Speaker: So a couple things.
Speaker: It's funny both of these subjects because there was just an article in the New York Times about an older person who is not athletic and has taken up water polo in his 80s because it's such an easy, relaxing sport to do.
Speaker: I sent that around to my friends who were like junior national team and coaches in Canada and stuff for water polo.
Speaker: They admire the guy, but they're a little horrified that some guy in his 80s is claiming that water polo is a low-impact, simple, non-athletic sport for non-athletes.
Speaker: They're happy he's out doing something and exercising and keeping in shape in his 80s, but they don't like what he's saying about their sport.
Speaker: One of my buddies is like, well, you know him.
Speaker: I mean, Ross.
Speaker: Ross was a champion water polo player and a...
Speaker: And he coached the national team.
Speaker: And he's like, I'd like to think I was athletic in my youth.
Speaker: And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure you're very good at the flexed arm hang.
Speaker: And how did he take that?
Speaker: He sent back a laughing emoji.
Speaker: And, of course, this is all in a group text.
Speaker: So I sent back – he sent a laughing emoji, but I don't know that he meant it.
Speaker: I think it was like – I was going to say, I –
Speaker: I would take offense to that.
Speaker: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker: I think that's sort of laughing on the outside.
Speaker: Yeah, but not laughing on the inside.
Speaker: Hey, here's something interesting, though.
Speaker: So this is going to both blow your mind but also dash your expectations.
Speaker: I hate to do this to you.
Speaker: In fact, I almost don't want to tell you this because it's – given what you just said, it's going to be very – it's very hurtful for you and –
Speaker: especially that you asked, you know, you requested that our listeners help you with this?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: This is from Wikipedia.
Speaker: So, you know, we never say the most credible source, but a source.
Speaker: You're an indicator die.
Speaker: And by the way, for our longtime listeners, you might remember in the early days of this show, we used to read from different sources all the time.
Speaker: We just, you know, we brought in the facts and we let people discuss them.
Speaker: Here's one more.
Speaker: Here's revisiting the
Speaker: The early days of sweetness and light.
Speaker: Urine indicator dye is a mythical substance that is supposed to be able to react with urine to form a colored cloud in a swimming pool or hot tub, thus indicating the location of people who are urinating while they're in the water.
Speaker: A 2015 report from the National Swimming Pool Foundation
Speaker: one of your favorite organizations, called this the most common pool myth of all time, with nearly half of Americans, including at least half the people on this call, this show, with nearly half of Americans surveyed by researchers,
Speaker: believing that the dye existed.
Speaker: Urine is difficult to detect, as many of the naturally occurring compounds within urine are unstable and react freely with common disinfectants such as chlorine, creating a large number of disinfection byproduct compounds from the original organic chemicals in urine.
Speaker: In an article published in 2000, so before you might even have been trying to scope out Kelly's pee and her friends,
Speaker: Snopes confirmed such a dye did not exist.
Speaker: Rumors of the origin of urine indicator dye go back at least as far as 1958.
Speaker: And the story is commonly told to children by parents who do not wish them to urinate in the pool.
Speaker: A 1985 biography of Orson Welles describes him using such a dye as part of a prank in 1937.
Speaker: Oh man, so our boy.
Speaker: So right around the time, you know, so War of the Worlds and Citizen Kane.
Speaker: War of the P. And yeah, and you're an indicator die, all from Morrison.
Speaker: Holy crap.
Speaker: I'm sorry to dash.
Speaker: I wish our listeners could see Justy's face right now.
Speaker: Just shattered not just your expectations, but a long-held belief.
Speaker: I mean, your world has just changed for the worse.
Speaker: Oh.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: And I got to tell you, it was so funny because I've asked for it.
Speaker: And when I went to Leslie's, which is a huge national chain, I think it may be the largest pool supplier out there.
Speaker: And they acted like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Like we used to sell it.
Speaker: And I don't know if they're now.
Speaker: I wonder if they were just humoring me like, oh, this guy's an idiot or...
Speaker: Well, it may well be because they didn't want to.
Speaker: I mean, you're a, you know, you were probably a current and certainly possible future customer.
Speaker: Why would they want to tell you you're a buffoon?
Speaker: Oh, yeah, yeah, sir.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: We don't carry that anymore.
Speaker: No, I'm not going to say that we ever carried it or it's real, but I'm just going to tell you we currently don't carry it.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, that product that you're talking about that could conceivably exist.
Speaker: It's not in stock here or anywhere.
Speaker: Or ever.
Speaker: But if we were to have it, you'd be the first to know.
Speaker: When it's invented, I mean, when it comes in, we will call you.
Speaker: If you want to just put your name on this list right here with the other seven people who keep on asking about it.
Speaker: And we put them in the remedial pile every time.
Speaker: Now I do have to ask you though, because, so have you ever like, do you know what a pee strip is?
Speaker: Like what?
Speaker: Oh, I thought you were going to ask if I had ever peed in a pool and I, and you know the answer to that.
Speaker: Oh, I pee all the time.
Speaker: I'm going to fully admit it.
Speaker: Of course I don't.
Speaker: I'm like, I have, I'm, I am a, I have class.
Speaker: You're a bad person.
Speaker: You got to pee in the pool.
Speaker: It's part of what you do.
Speaker: I mean, I certainly pee in the ocean.
Speaker: Well, that's totally natural and that's expected and it recycles it.
Speaker: Although it makes you quite all of those rental wetsuits that you use in scuba diving and stuff like that.
Speaker: Oh, God, that's why almost every time, never rent.
Speaker: So there's been so much, you know, again, bodily fluid and bodily, you know, and skin and everything else and, you know, and whatever other the last person.
Speaker: But so much urine has passed through the crotch of those.
Speaker: I mean, they must be designed with that in mind, right?
Speaker: Just like you can puke through a regulator and it's designed to not only to accept that, but to...
Speaker: but to deal with it beautifully.
Speaker: Like I think, you know, I've told the story about how that girl puked through a regulator and the otherwise dark, you know, dark and on a stormy day, California waters in the kelp forest.
Speaker: And it suddenly became beautiful because all of the colorful fish swam over to, to eat her, eat the chum that she, that she provided them.
Speaker: But yeah, that's a, you were in the middle of saying something.
Speaker: I was, but we got so sidetracked.
Speaker: All I'm going to say is that I think we've belabored this point enough, but all I'll say is that I think a good person and a respectful person pees especially.
Speaker: I don't pee in my own pool, but I'll pee in someone else's without question.
Speaker: So that's interesting.
Speaker: So you're marking your territory.
Speaker: So essentially you're laying claim to other people's pools to some extent.
Speaker: Well, my theory goes like this.
Speaker: Most people don't take immaculate care of their pools like I do.
Speaker: Like, I mean, I clean the filters all the time.
Speaker: Like our pool is awesome.
Speaker: And I go to most other people's pools and I can tell they don't care about it that much.
Speaker: So I'm like, well, if they don't care about it, why should I?
Speaker: But you assume they're peeing in your pool.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: I'm just astonished, to be honest, because it never even occurred to me to pee in someone's pool.
Speaker: Shut up.
Speaker: I know you're a super nice Canadian, but you're totally not serious with that.
Speaker: I'm completely serious.
Speaker: I'm a little shocked and disturbed, and I'm going to think a little bit more.
Speaker: I think about that as a public pool issue.
Speaker: It didn't even occur to me that it's a residential pool issue.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: You, my friend, I don't know.
Speaker: Well, I know I'm a little naive.
Speaker: I'm a little, yeah.
Speaker: I mean, our friend, you know, friend, Erin Ray, who, you know, who's involved in some of the projects I've been doing.
Speaker: And I've mentioned I'm in a writing group with her.
Speaker: People were talking about the last writing I brought in last week and had some suggestions.
Speaker: And she's like, that's fine.
Speaker: But Eric writes so PG or maybe PG-13.
Speaker: So sweetness and light.
Speaker: Oh.
Speaker: Wait, wait.
Speaker: She thinks you write PG-13?
Speaker: I would say you are easily an NC-17-R kind of guy.
Speaker: She doesn't tell you very well.
Speaker: She knows me very well.
Speaker: And I mean, she's like, you know, she's Marika's best friend.
Speaker: But she, here's the thing.
Speaker: She writes the dirtiest stuff I've ever read.
Speaker: Like she sent me a short to read.
Speaker: And even – you're absolutely right.
Speaker: I mean I'm a total NC-17 person.
Speaker: And Contacts, the short that we shot recently and are in the midst of doing post-production, is a pretty racy over-the-top thing.
Speaker: Like we had the sound person who's doing sound editing for it.
Speaker: said the first time he watched it through, he couldn't even, he didn't even listen, he wasn't even listening for issues with sound or anything because he was laughing out loud so much.
Speaker: And it was so, and he said, you gave me so many images that I'm never going to get out of my mind.
Speaker: And he found it, I said, I wanted to caution him before he watched it that it's a little off kilter.
Speaker: And he goes, it's very off kilter and very disturbing.
Speaker: But Aaron, on the other hand,
Speaker: You know, as soon as you get into this, I mean, there's this thing she sent, like without any warning.
Speaker: That was the only thing because I didn't know, like, I didn't know what I was reading.
Speaker: I just thought it was, you know, another project.
Speaker: Oh, wait, wait, she didn't preface it either?
Speaker: When she sent me the thing?
Speaker: No, she didn't mention that there was...
Speaker: Butt plugs and like, you know, and a lot of other types of, you know, a lot of anal, surprising amounts of anal penetration, you know, from just something that someone just sends you just to read, you know, and I mean, hey, I'm, you know, I support ass play, obviously, but, but.
Speaker: But it was just like it.
Speaker: Yeah, it was unlike me who warned this guy.
Speaker: It just came to me.
Speaker: And like when I say it came to me, I mean, she sent it to me.
Speaker: So by Aaron's standards, I and every other writer in the world is a bit PG-13.
Speaker: I got it.
Speaker: You know, I feel like this is it.
Speaker: The gauntlet has been thrown.
Speaker: There's a challenge given that I need to take this up because I've never read her writing, but I'm willing to challenge her on this.
Speaker: I mean, it's kind of incredible because she had, you know, I read contacts in this writing group and, or we had it read.
Speaker: They don't let you read any of your own part yet because you're listening to other people read it.
Speaker: And so she's seen tons of the stuff I've written.
Speaker: And most recently, we've been reading, like I've been bringing in stuff from,
Speaker: Weekend in Paris, which is the screenplay Justy and I almost sold to Paramount and that we're resurrecting.
Speaker: And we just got into the big black fist section.
Speaker: And then a week later, Aaron's saying I write PG-13.
Speaker: Well, Eric, I think that – I think this is a good challenge because I think this is something that you and I need to work on to raise the stakes.
Speaker: Yeah, no, she's definitely – Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: So thank you, Eric.
Speaker: I've already thanked the group in the credits for Contacts because they had a great idea that for one – they gave one note that was really helpful for that script.
Speaker: And Justy's actually seen the movie, so I can tell you that it's the conversation between Tom and Ivan was written at – well, that conversation was there, but it was them sort of sitting at Ivan's home.
Speaker: And they're like – the whole point of this is lack of human contact and how disconnected everybody is and that over-reliance on technology.
Speaker: Why don't you make it like a Zoom call?
Speaker: And I'm like, yeah, that's a great idea.
Speaker: I should have thought of that.
Speaker: I got to tell you.
Speaker: So first of all, it's a great suggestion, but it is – when you're in the creative spirit, it does get you when they're like something so obvious and you're like, shit, why didn't I think – Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And you having seen the movie very early cut of it, but it's having – that's pretty effective, that Zoom call, right?
Speaker: Like, I mean that – It's one of the funniest moments to be honest with you.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And to be honest, it's probably, you know, it's both more effective thematically, but also maybe even funnier that it's the way that they're interacting through the screens and stuff.
Speaker: I'm just going to push the envelope here and say it's incredibly effective and it really is, it puts a bow on it is what I would say.
Speaker: It ties it together nicely.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So as a result of that, I thank the entire group, the breakthrough writing group, like, you know, within the context.
Speaker: Thanks.
Speaker: By the way, getting back to the pools, though, and pool hygiene and your, you know, your meticulous, obsessive cleaning of your filters.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: You do have a very abrasive tongue, so I guess you have more.
Speaker: It's easier for you than for other people.
Speaker: But our friend Yula, who's a former girlfriend of our good friend Paul, the diplomat, who's currently in Taiwan.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly, the law group.
Speaker: She, another one of her many boyfriends over the years, owned a pool company, like a pool installation.
Speaker: Hang on, Eric.
Speaker: I'm just going to pause there for a second here.
Speaker: Let's correct that statement because I'm sure she's going to listen to this and not want to hear that she's had many boyfriends over the years.
Speaker: Several.
Speaker: Several.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: In one of her forays.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: One of her prior boyfriends was a pool company owner.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And he told her, and so this is him, and she subscribes to this.
Speaker: And now I had mentioned this to other Eric and it's made him very leery.
Speaker: He never uses public hot tubs or anything because he said, if you've seen what's in the filters in public hot tubs, you would never use them either because the filter is stopping most of what's, you know, but there's so much.
Speaker: Like most of them are clogged.
Speaker: They're over full.
Speaker: You know, stuff is penetrating.
Speaker: And by the way, what's in there that he's talking about specifically is,
Speaker: A lot of fecal matter.
Speaker: That's exactly.
Speaker: I knew you were going to go there.
Speaker: Oh, that's horrible.
Speaker: Because it's blowing.
Speaker: You know, I mean, these jets are blowing along your bodies and they're blowing through your bathing suit, you know, up your up your crack and cleaning everything else out.
Speaker: And then it's all just going back and getting.
Speaker: Again, that's why there are filters, but he said those filters, even as a professional, someone who's one of the guys who goes in and maintains, you know, whatever the hotel or the club or the, you know, or the residential place.
Speaker: He said nobody cleans them enough.
Speaker: He said by the time he gets to them, they are...
Speaker: coded in feces and not just one person's.
Speaker: I mean, so it's just like a melange of many, you know, and it's certainly like, you know, at a hotel or a club, like, I mean, you've probably had hundreds of different people.
Speaker: So, I mean, I guess the nice thing is it's like a testament to diversity.
Speaker: I mean, it's everyone's poop getting together, but it's, um, is that what you want?
Speaker: I'm not sure I want a camaraderie between them.
Speaker: I want some, that's where I want them to be fighting.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't want them fighting.
Speaker: I want, I want separation of that, of those, those, those feeks.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So anyway, so, so it was, you know, just one little button on our discussion.
Speaker: So there's no, no such thing as urine dye indicator, sadly.
Speaker: And so for the, the create, you know, for, for the chemists and biochemists listening, please go ahead and make that or the pool maintenance people.
Speaker: We support it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And we're, we're here for you and we'll invest and we'll buy and we'll test.
Speaker: We'll test frequently.
Speaker: And, you know, use public hot tubs at your discretion, but be aware that you're lounging in feces.
Speaker: You know, I think on that public service announcement, we need to kind of end this show.
Speaker: And I want to say that I'm just going to make a declaration right off the bat here that I am done with public pools the rest of the summer.
Speaker: I am so offended, but I know next year I will have forgotten all this and won't care anymore.
Speaker: And I'll dive in and then you'll bring it back up and I'll stay out of the pool next year too.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, just remember the one rule of swimming in public pools and especially hot tubs, immerse yourself and swallow.
Speaker: On that note, we bid you adieu.
