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Star Trek Discovery Discussion: Through The Valley of Shadows
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Captain Pike is confronted with a choice in order to obtain the Time Crystals but it leads to knowledge of his future that could change his fate. This discussion was recorded at the time of the episode airing.
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Introduction and Timing of Broadcast
00:00:02
Speaker
Holy shiitake mushrooms. We're back on another exciting episode of Starfleet Boy where we have a casual and informal conversation about Star Trek. I am i'm so happy ah that PJ is here tonight. We're doing is something brand new for Starfleet Boy. I've never just gone on right after Discovery airs. So thanks for joining me, PJ. Hello, hello.
00:00:26
Speaker
How's it going? Great to be good. Thank you. I really appreciate you coming on. right. I'm just going to start with this because this is something you and I've talked about. I'm going to share my screen here and ah
00:00:40
Speaker
we're going to do our summary and all the usual things, but I just have to show you that this is the bridge of the enterprise. i swear That is, that is the clearly the bridge of the enterprise.
00:00:56
Speaker
Look at that. What is that, PJ? Where did you get that from? It's on the Twitter. Twitter's fucking crazy. It's on the Twitter. Oh, okay. Yeah, that... but
00:01:08
Speaker
there's but You can clearly see number one at her station. yeah so i
Spoilers and Revelations in Discovery
00:01:15
Speaker
am just so fucking thrilled right now. And I just had to show that.
00:01:19
Speaker
so You should have warned for spoilers. Nah, it doesn't matter. Oh, wait! Everybody! no, I'm joking. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Spoilers, go on. I had no idea that was... that was I believed it too. I actually thought you were right on.
00:01:33
Speaker
ah They did a really good job of hiding this ah from the audience. ah So kudos to the Discovery team. They let that rumor ah fly.
00:01:44
Speaker
right. I just wanted to show you that just because just yes it looks more like. a ah Should we put it back online? Did you see the chairs? The chairs look exactly like they're supposed to. Hold I'm going to put it back on. Hold on.
00:02:00
Speaker
And I'll send you the
Summary of 'In the Valley of Shadows'
00:02:01
Speaker
link. You know what it looks like? It looks like a mix between old school and Star Trek VI bridge. It totally does. It's amazing. hello it It is very reminiscent of the Star Trek VI bridge to me in the way it looks.
00:02:15
Speaker
In the feel, right? But look at the chairs, right? I know. it It's a stone thing. It's completely...
00:02:22
Speaker
I can't gauge how people are going to respond to this. I have no idea. I love it. don't care anymore. I really don't. I have no idea if people are going to be like, this crap or this is excellent.
00:02:34
Speaker
My understanding is that this whole thing is a whole reimagined universe. So I think they're going to make a difference. You know what I think? I think we just have to decide for ourselves. Like, I think that, like, I think CBS is playing it smart to be mysterious because it creates controversy and it creates, like, a lot of discussion and a lot of, like, I think they're smart.
00:02:55
Speaker
I just really think it's great. I think it it's all great. So do you ah do you want to do the episode summary for In the Valley of... What is it called? The Valley of the Shadows? In the Valley of the Shadows? As I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death or something.
00:03:09
Speaker
I take a look at my life. I take a look at my life. Very nice reference. That's definitely where they got it from. They listen to Gangster's Paradise. no Well, it's from the Bible, though. It's that thing. Yeah, I know. But you're right. They did listen to Gangster's Paradise.
00:03:25
Speaker
Through the Valley of Shadows. I wish they played it during the episode. That would have been like a completionist thing. That would have been awesome.
Significance of Time Crystals
00:03:35
Speaker
Wasn't that for that Michelle Pfeiffer movie, by the way, was that, what was her the movie where she plays like oh a Oh, Dangerous Minds.
00:03:41
Speaker
Dangerous Minds. That's right. Thank you. Good. Good. That was very fast recall there. I'm happy. I'm having a beverage, an adult beverage. I'm not allowed to say what it is on YouTube because i think you'll get, I'll get, um but it's, ah it's Andorian in origin, as you can see.
00:04:05
Speaker
So ah you want me to do this? Yeah. I don't have any summaries that I would love it if you do it. I don't have anything written down, so I'm just to have to do this from memory.
00:04:19
Speaker
That's the best to do it. Starts off with Michael getting a message from her mother. Then Spock walks in. He's like, yeah, the captain wants see here They go and discuss ah control a bit, but their main objective now is to go to where this red signal appeared over a Klingon planet called Borath.
00:04:41
Speaker
So Pike's like, yeah, we got to go there. We got to keep on mission. We can't go after control. And even though Michael wants to, because discovery is a a liability, a huge, huge liability. And they need to stay as far away from control as possible. So as they go to Borath, Michael escapes or you know mutinies again.
00:05:03
Speaker
And goes there with Spock. Oh, wait, did you say Michael Muniz again? Saru gave her permission. I know, I know, I know. I'm just joking. You're such an ass. Oh, yeah, yeah. I just want to talk about that.
00:05:17
Speaker
Yeah, she does get Saru's permission, but s Saru, make i find that funny. He's like, I'm different now after the Vahari. And it's like, we do we know. don't have to say it that my Now that my testicles have dropped. Sorry. Sorry.
00:05:32
Speaker
Now that my gangly have fallen out. Yes, Saru, it happened weeks ago. You've you've been saying this like 18 times. It's almost as bad as how many times they say all sentient life within the course of this season. It's like a million times.
00:05:46
Speaker
All right, wait, we're not in the nitpick corner. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, moving on. Anyway, Pike goes to Borath, and he goes to one of the the monasteries where the time... Oh, yeah, L'Rell is on the ship first. She goes to the ship, and we see a Klingon D7 and all that stuff briefly. That was awesome. Sorry, it was awesome. yeah it was good.
00:06:05
Speaker
Okay. Anyway, she says ah she says to Pike, she reveals that the Borath, they protected time crystals for generations.
00:06:17
Speaker
And now they don't mess with time anymore, even though just 20 years prior they were almost in the... Anyway. I get it. I get it. And and you know and and and why that what why would the Klingons themselves have such a problem getting a time crystal when it's on Borath?
00:06:32
Speaker
i might i Yeah, but yeah. Okay. We got to talk about that. That's for sure. Get into the juicy part of the episode. yeah Mike goes down there and he meets what turns out to be Vogue and Laurel's son.
00:06:46
Speaker
I'm going to interpret your summary for a second. Because of the controversy of Vogue, Tyler... supposedly being dead and the baby being dead, it's determined. Pike determines I got to be the guy that goes down there. So basically like Laurel can't go down there and neither Tyler.
00:07:03
Speaker
Right. That, yeah, that's the reason Pike is there. Like they Tyler could have gone down there or Laurel, but because of what happened in episode three, they can't be seen or he can't be seen anyway. And she's a high chancellor. So it would be, it would be a conflict of interest, I guess, for them.
00:07:20
Speaker
Yeah. But anyway, pi Pike runs into Valk and Laurel's son. I forget his name. But anyway, he's played by Kenneth Mitchell.
00:07:31
Speaker
Oh, that was Ken Mitchell? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. ken Mitchell's amazing. He's always doing everything. That's crazy. Also, I just want to point out that I believe Michael Dorn made an uncredited cameo voice thing.
00:07:46
Speaker
Yeah, on the pad that Michael grabs toward the end of the episode, the voice on it is Michael Dorn, and I'm pretty sure. Shut your fucking mouth. Now have to watch it and another time just to make sure.
00:08:00
Speaker
We hear three computer voices in the entire episode, and one is from the Discovery and then the Section 31 ship, and then that pad is a completely different male voice. yeah How do you know it's Michael?
00:08:13
Speaker
How did you figure it? It just sounds like it. Because as soon as I heard it i was like, oh, my God, that's Michael Dorn. I could be wrong, but it's I looked into the credits, and it's not – it only names two computer voices, not the the third one, so.
00:08:26
Speaker
Oh, wow. So, yeah. ah mean where ah Where was I? You were talking about how Pike had to go down to the planet. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Burnham and Spock's Mission
00:08:35
Speaker
The good part. To get a time crystal. Yeah.
00:08:38
Speaker
So. By the way, the son of Voke and Lorela's Tanavik. Go on. Sorry. Tanavik. Okay. and I may be getting all these scenes out of order but anyway you you're doing a good job keep going keep itching great Pete goes down and he talks with what's that guy's name again to not look to nofic once once known as the son of none but now he is there and that's when Pike find when they're having that conversation he finds out that oh your laurel son and he asks him how is that possible because you're only
00:09:15
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a couple of months ago you were an infant and it's just time magic it's like and all of a sudden time works different yeah yeah and time antily plants and trees grow in a matter of seconds like all of a sudden it's like it it no makes no sense but what it makes no sense but does it exist explain why it's lord of the rings it's uh okay but wait we real quick question i don't know we don't have fathery who's like the like the you know memory alpha in his mind but doesn't borath come into play with kalis later on in ds9 like it or like isn't there a ds9 borath episode with kalis or something like i can't remember or or maybe it's tng i can't remember there there is a ds9 episode where uh wharf and jadzia and uh i think wharf's brother
00:10:05
Speaker
I'm not sure. if i Go to ah try to find the sword of Kalos, wasn't it? Right, right. Or something like that. But isn't there an episode where there's like an imposter Kalos? No, no, no. Listen, they they do find the sword of Kalos. And what happens is it acts like the ring from Lord of the Rings where it makes them like really paranoid and crazy and shit.
00:10:25
Speaker
And then they start they start turning against each other and they realize, you know, But i I feel like this planet Boreth comes out in Voyager. Some one of this I have it's all jumbled in my mind. It's not the first time it's been mentioned in Discovery. Right. Right. I mentioned before. Right. So.
00:10:41
Speaker
So I like this new twist. Anyways, go on. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt your summer. You're doing a good job. coach
00:10:48
Speaker
So anyway, along the course of events, Pike manages to convince the guy. Any other kids in that way, too. Yeah, like I'm never gonna know that he's hearing as you hearing about he's he's He's never gonna show up again, I don't think but uh He gets the time crystal, but the catch is that for Pike to take it he has to see a future that If he takes the crystal that future is locked it's inevitable I can't change it.
00:11:23
Speaker
Yeah, But if he if he sees his future and walks away and doesn't take the crystal, then he can change that future. So anyway, he makes the ultimate sacrifice and he sees a horrific vision of himself.
00:11:38
Speaker
as a fleet commander or a fleet captain, lee captain just like it's supposed to happen. I was so happy. And he say, and he saves a bunch of people and gets horribly irradiated and die. I wonder doesn't die. He almost dies.
00:11:52
Speaker
And then he sees a vision of him in the chair. The chair. where he was where he He's just a melted, burnt mess. And and man, very well done.
00:12:02
Speaker
I must say. and I have to say, i like tears flowed naturally from my eyes. like I couldn't stop myself. It was such a good scene. It was so good.
00:12:13
Speaker
was so well done. Anyways, go That's probably the best Easter egg they've ever put in discovery. But it's the best like thing. I think it's like fulfilling some really cool shit. We'll talk about it more in our like meaty part. But yeah,
Starfleet Principles and Klingon Culture
00:12:28
Speaker
go on with this summary. Good job. Now Pike knows he's going to suffer that fate and he's going to know that for like, i don't know, the next seven or eight years.
00:12:37
Speaker
So that's going to. Yeah, however long it takes. Exactly. So anyway, ah when Spock and Burnham go up, they meet up with, or when they drop out of warp in the shuttle, they run into all these dead bodies. They beam one over that's not as ah frozen, I guess, or it's a fresher corpse.
00:13:01
Speaker
I guess the guy's dead, or was he? I don't know. So they beam this guy over. turns out he'd like die He was still alive. He had still he still had vitals. yet Yeah. So they they rescue him, and it turns out to be a ah crew member from the Shenzhou that Burnham had served with before.
00:13:22
Speaker
So anyway... He was like a nobody, like just a quick... Cameron Gant, Lieutenant Gant. Yeah, Lieutenant Gant. He's also a character in some of the novels, or one of the Discovery novels.
00:13:36
Speaker
Oh, right on. Yeah, Desperate Hours.
00:13:41
Speaker
Something like that. I think that's the name of it. i don't know. Cool. I know. Anywho. they're trying to regain ah control of the control or the Section 31 ship that they're on.
00:13:54
Speaker
And it turns out that Gant is infected by control and ah reveals the plan that Burnham is the one they want. Burnham is their locutus of sorts.
00:14:06
Speaker
Right. And the only way to... truly ah achieve their goal is to eliminate her through assimilation. that she's, and, and to absorb her, they think she's perfect. Basically is what it is.
00:14:20
Speaker
The recognizes Burnham as the one thing they can't beat. So why, why not just join with her and then learn from that? Maybe. Well, they she's an anomaly. She's an, they can't account for what she's the anomaly, right? she They can't really account for what she's going to do. She's like, ah she, so they're like trying to like convert her so that they can just like end that. Yeah, exactly.
00:14:44
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Yeah. ah
00:14:49
Speaker
Yes. So the Gantt goes after her. And then when she shoots him, all the nanobots like pour out of him and like chase after her.
00:15:01
Speaker
And then Spock stops the nanoprobes by magnetizing the floor. And...
00:15:08
Speaker
and Yeah. Is that it? No. Oh, shit, shit. I completely missed the the main part. So anyway, at the end, they're all on the bridge and all the Section 31 ships show up. There's like 30 of them and they're going to go after. They start showing up. Yeah, that's right. They start showing up and they surmise that, oh, they're coming after us.
00:15:32
Speaker
And then what happens is... they realized what They realized what they should have realized what a few episodes ago or two episodes ago is that the ship needs to disappear or be destroyed. you can't If you can't erase the data.
00:15:44
Speaker
So now they have time crystals. So what's going to happen is the spore drive is going to be combined with the time crystal probably. And they're going to send it all the way in the future. Or how would that work?
00:15:56
Speaker
well Well, so like, anyways, that they they say they're going to like, the time chris they say that the they have to destroy the ship. They decide that that's like Burnham suggested, of course.
00:16:07
Speaker
And Pike's like, okay, that's what we got to do. But he hails the XO of the Enterprise. hes like rendezvous the yeah He's like, rendezvous with these coordinates. um he's like I'm just trying to figure out...
00:16:18
Speaker
I know we're going to talk about it because I have answer for you. I have an answer for you. But wait, wait. So like just to get through the summary because, you know, I'm like OCD. I got to get through the summary.
00:16:29
Speaker
So they say they got to do that. And then boom. ah yeah that We got to abandon ship. We got abandoned ship. Episode ends. Holy shit. Preview for next episode. We get a lot of shots of the Enterprise, so we know it's going to be there. You just saw the bridge, so and we're to see the Enterprise.
00:16:47
Speaker
There's going to be hell a lot of battles. Part one, part two, I predict. I've never watched the the the trailer for the next episode yet. You don't watch them?
00:16:57
Speaker
No, they don't have they don't put them on in Canada on TV or on Crave. because Well, Crave, it's a day later anyway. but oh We don't get those. We have to wait for some like some guy in Russia or Yugoslavia or somewhere like way overseas. because whoever I can't show it to you right now because I'll get a copyright. ah That's what I'm saying. done bri that's what i'm saying like It's very hard to get even on YouTube. got to wait like a couple of hours.
00:17:25
Speaker
when we brought When we end the broadcast, I will share my screen and show you next week's episode of Strattrick Discovery. But it looks insane! All right, so summary's done.
00:17:39
Speaker
i just I guess the first thing we should talk about is like... ah you know, that the whole the whole thing that you said at the end. So i i let's just go to
Time Travel Implications in Discovery
00:17:50
Speaker
predictions. um So based on what I've seen so far and what seems to be happening, all right, so we know that the Discovery is going to be around in 900 some odd years because it's in the episode Calypso. So ah cant but it's not going to self-destruct, right? Is that safe to say? Yeah, well, definitely, and unless they don't consider that canon anymore. so
00:18:12
Speaker
Or continue well it content discontinuity right yeah well i think calypso is definitely gonna tie into this season it seems so obvious doesn't it like time yeah i really agree something's gonna happen uh another thing the time crystal i always wondered like you know how in season one you have like the opening credits and you see these green crystals right like i was like dilithium crystals are clear like why are those crystals green right have we been seeing from season one all along in the opening credit sequence
00:18:43
Speaker
Time crystals? Has this been going on since like season one? like Has this been something I've been planning? Wait, you you can see color in the ah and the opening? Yeah, it's they're green.
00:18:53
Speaker
Yeah, well, see, i have I'm colorblind, so I have a problem. Oh, I... no Well, PJ, let me assure you that I can see color, but you can, I can only explain it as like, imagine your TV and the colors turn like way down.
00:19:08
Speaker
Oh, cool. Yeah. So there's, you know, there's, I saw on YouTube sidebar here. ah There's these glasses that correct colorblindness. Did you know I know. I know people have tried to, I've mentioned it to me over the years, but nobody has a pair.
00:19:23
Speaker
I should order a pair, I guess. oh of it we Audience, if anyone is connected to this technology of colorblind correction glasses, can you please contact us at Sohail at StarFootBoy.com? I'm not entirely sure about those glasses because they're several different types of colorblindness. We'll have to determine what kind of colorblindness you are, but obviously blue-green sounds like what you are. you didn't know that the time crystals were green...
00:19:53
Speaker
peter the episode with the squiddy probe, someone said, like, pointed out that it was or wasn't green. I'm like, oh, I wouldn't know.
00:20:04
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Oh, don't remember. And then the nanoprobes that went into leap Leland, people like the green dot. I'm like, okay, whatever. i don't know. What are you... you know you know what You know, when you see a traffic light, the green light, that's not green at all. That's like pure or white to me.
00:20:18
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah. but i can see certain shades certain certain shades anyway. What do you see in my room right now? What do you see in my quarters here? All I see are three colors, blue, black, and red.
00:20:31
Speaker
Fascinating.
00:20:35
Speaker
You're close. It is blue, black and red, actually. in my Good job. I was very saturated colors that I can see right on my screen here. Anyways, like I'm pretty confident I haven't gone back to look at a season one.
00:20:51
Speaker
uh, opening titles, but the crystals, whether they were tinted or not, were always there in the opening credits. This season, I did notice they were green from the beginning. Like I was like, okay. And then this time crystal, the raw time crystal, it's, it's not a refined one is green.
00:21:09
Speaker
Very curious. Very interesting. Like I like that. I like when shit, shit like that is right in front of your face the whole time. and it comes, it turns out to be something interesting. ah i I really think that this is a defining episode of Star Trek Discovery.
Captain Pike's Vision Quest
00:21:26
Speaker
I think that this is an episode that, like to me, felt like it like it just felt right. It just felt like so Star Trek. And mainly, it's because of the Captain Pike vision quest scenes. like that was like
00:21:40
Speaker
Everything else was okay. like It was good. like i got i loved it. But the Captain Pike stuff is what I ate up the most. And I thought it was so great. like what What do you think? Yeah, well, that Easter egg is the best part of the episode, and that's kind of a problem.
00:21:57
Speaker
Because a lot of that... Well, actually, you know, I forgot to mention in my summary the Stamets, Tignatero. Oh, yeah. There's the whole Stamets, Tignatero, and Culber thing. That was very cool. I like that all She's subtly trying to get them back together.
00:22:12
Speaker
She's, like, talking to Stamets in the lunchroom, and then she's talking to... I think she makes an excuse to see Culber and goes to sick bay. And at first she's very brazen. And he, but they ah begin to like each other, I guess.
00:22:28
Speaker
They start laughing and joking around and Tig or I'm sorry, Reno tells the story of how her wife died during the Klingon war. And right.
00:22:41
Speaker
It's in so many words in so many ways kind of telling Cobra like, you know, don't walk away from a good thing. Stuff like that. Going back to the beginning. That was actually nice. That was better than most of the other stuff. So I didn't like Larelle.
00:22:56
Speaker
I can't stand the way she sounds. Oh, can't stand her loved her. I have to say I loved her in this episode. Well, let's let's let's go in order a little bit. um So at the beginning of the episode, one of the things that it's really hard to do summaries, by the way, so I don't blame you, but um you left out the whole thing of like,
00:23:14
Speaker
you You mentioned ah that Burnham was watching like one of the messages from her mother where she's talking about like after the time store, she's like pretty depressed. She's like bummed out. She's also angry, apparently enraged.
00:23:26
Speaker
And she is watching her mom's logs. And the one she happens to be watching at the end of the episode is the one where she's like after the time storm, which quote unquote Stein, whatever the time storm is. We I don't think that they really address this in the in the show yet.
00:23:44
Speaker
She's like, I'm coming back for you and your father. So I think she's referring the time storm must be like whatever ah is wrong with time that she's trying to correct. Right. So maybe I don't know. It's all so convoluted, though. It's also not. I don't even try to. makeite But I think they're going to tie it all in. I think it's all going to connect. I really do. Anyways, Amanda ah Grayson.
00:24:11
Speaker
hails ah Burnham and she's like basically the gist of that scene is like she's like you know telling her how like it was so depressing that she found her mom but she lost her and then Amanda says like she you've found her, you find her again, that you are like, whatever, like that's like, you know, basically it's suggesting that we haven't seen the last of Dr. Burnham.
00:24:34
Speaker
And, and I believe that because I think Dr. Burnham's like, yeah, I believe text track fatheries theory is correct. Like Dr. Burnham will have to die. So she'll travel back in time to just before,
00:24:49
Speaker
the events of, ah you know, ah where, where the Klingons invaded on Dutory Alpha and she'll actually die in that timeline.
00:25:01
Speaker
So that's why Michael and ah Leland both remembers her dying. So I think that's going to happen for sure. Mm-hmm.
00:25:12
Speaker
You mean like she has to so that's probably smarter than what ah but it would see the thing about that is if she goes back and Michael like, you know listens to the big old fight that she we know that she heard she said it in season one and then all of a sudden it doesn't jive like that. I mean when we see it in the last or yeah, the last episode wasn't it perpetual infinity, right?
00:25:39
Speaker
when we see that flashback, it's not the way Michael says it happened. So is Michael is lee way is like having paradoxical memories? You know what i mean? like she She thinks she remembers it, but now she knows, like oh, I didn't really remember it that way.
00:25:51
Speaker
And then when it really happens, she's going to be like, oh, I do remember it because it did happen that way. under You nailed it. Exactly. That's how time, that's the thing. you know It's fucked up because it is messed up.
00:26:03
Speaker
you met You made a statement about time travel is like why use it, right? like But if you're going to use it like and you do it well, I think you could pull it off. There's a few occasions where like time travel... like Do you watch Doctor Who at all?
00:26:16
Speaker
No. Okay. I think Doctor Who does a great job. at like i mean I mean, it is the definitive time travel show, right? So it has yeah it it it kind of has to do the a great job.
00:26:29
Speaker
the The idea of time travel is always cool, but a lot of a lot of movies and TV shows, yeah ah the rules are too all over the place. Like in yeah Back to the Future 2, you know and when Griff...
00:26:44
Speaker
Biff in 2015 goes back to the 1955 and gives his younger self the almanac to make himself rich to create an alternate 1985. that's fully That's fully explained, but what is never explained is that how does time travel work in regards to getting from one reality to another?
00:27:04
Speaker
So essentially they
Complexities of Time Travel Narratives
00:27:05
Speaker
set up a rule where if you changed of the past, you then create a branch of reality that is separate. That was one thing way up until a point, but when at the point you changed it, it becomes a separate branch of reality.
00:27:17
Speaker
Are you able to travel back to that, to the past that you came from unaltered or the one that is altered? They never really get into that stuff. it's like Yeah, it's true. But I will say this. so Ultimately, what you have to remember is time travel...
00:27:31
Speaker
is always from the perspective of the time traveler. That's the only thing you have to remember. like so Ultimately, you have to remember, we as the audience are the fucking time the ultimate time travelers, right? like Because we know everything, right? Supposedly.
00:27:47
Speaker
we?
00:27:49
Speaker
Kind of. At the end, we do. We always know in the end, right? like That's how it always works. like When Discovery's done and and finished and like they figure all this shit out, we, the audience, are the ultimate time travelers. We're the ones who know how it comes happens, especially when we rewatch it.
00:28:05
Speaker
What did you think of ah Baby Volk's makeup? Loved it. I also liked... It's the most subtle Discovery Klingon makeup they've Yeah. You know why? Because they had him in a cool monk's uniform, and it was pretty awesome. Yeah, I have to agree.
00:28:21
Speaker
it looked It looked pretty good. i I had this feeling when I was watching... i i I have to say I was the most against the Klingon redesign. I still wish they had figured out a way...
00:28:33
Speaker
to come to just do it. I just wish that from the start they had done it like TNG style like there would have been no harm like new but new people new to Discovery would not have cared that it was it. They look like TNG Klingons. Yeah, I mean, or that they looked even like TOS Klingons like people new to Discovery wouldn't have cared about that.
00:28:55
Speaker
But look again, go when you see that episode, just study his makeup because there it's as close to TNG g as I think you're going to get. I think so. I agree. No, I noticed that. I noticed that he was different. I i love that character and I thought it was pretty cool.
00:29:09
Speaker
And you see the other monks and or or the guards in the monastery. they look They look so different in comparison to him. Even when you know when he's walking down the hall with Pike and you see the other Klingons in the background.
00:29:21
Speaker
Very, very big difference, I find. Different he felt different from this character. So just that care like you felt more like just that character design is a kind of opening up the door to seeing more traditional Yeah, it's like they're they're easing the audience into it. Right?
00:29:39
Speaker
I think it's also interesting that like klingons you know Klingons have always had this like mystical, religious ah kind of spiritual aspect to them. i kind of like that there there's this whole time crystal. What do you think of the whole time crystal thing in general? like I kind of love it, but I'm curious to hear what you think about it.
00:29:57
Speaker
It's just it's magic. I know it's magic. I know it's magic. but like I know, but okay in the okay in the within the context of me understanding that this is a sci-fi fantasy series, which it is,
00:30:09
Speaker
That's just the way I feel about it. And that actually helps me like you know get through it. You know what i mean? Because um I don't want to compare it to more science-y Star Treks. So anyway. it's it's is I like the fact that it gave us that flashback or that flash forward of Pike.
00:30:27
Speaker
I mean, I'm thankful that they have the crystals in the episode for that reason. But it's just, ah you know, it's an obvious plot device to have discovery. It is obvious. Jump through time.
00:30:40
Speaker
Yeah, but it is obvious. don't like the the idea of these time crystals. are like They have the the the most dangerous thing in the in the galaxy. Really think about it. Which is why which is why they're so protected, right? and Yeah, I actually kind of like that the Klingons realized this is over the last 20 years at least.
00:30:59
Speaker
Or perhaps the monk the monastery the monks at the monastery, even 20 years ago, were overtaken or something. or um but but Did the Federation steal the time crystal from the Klingons and the Klingons were trying to get it back? here's the thing yet Well, here's the thing. So there's two instances that we know of.
00:31:15
Speaker
of time crystals that have left Borath, right? One is Harry Mudd. Obviously, time crystals were introduced last season yeah in the hair in that Harry Mudd. That was a tiny one, though little tiny A tiny one. still. He was able to loop over and over yeah you know within within a certain time.
00:31:33
Speaker
And then the suit itself, like that's an obvious thing. And the Klingons were so hardcore. They were trying to get this shit back, right? Like, so what it's totally new, like, okay, so here's the, you know, obvious, the obvious conundrum is like never before have we heard of fucking time crystals. Never like, you know, we have TOS.
00:31:53
Speaker
We have all the movies. We have TNG. We have Voyager. i just figured it out. Well, go ahead. to tell Tell us the theory. what why Not Borath itself, but at least that part of Borath with the time crystals will probably end up being destroyed.
00:32:08
Speaker
What happens when you blast all those time crystals to smithereens? Is there some kind of like weird vortex or wormhole that it creates? that accidentally sucks Section 31 chips back into the Delta Quadrant thousands of years ago.
00:32:25
Speaker
All right. i You lost me at that. You had me and then you lost me. You had me and then you totally lost me. No, no. In all seriousness, I think that monastery is going to be like blown up.
00:32:38
Speaker
It's going to be destroyed. that That whole area where I think the time crystals only exist in this area as as far as we know. So just blow it to smithereens and you never hear from anybody using time crystals ever again, then they're going to to it the old fashioned way and slingshot around the sun.
00:32:58
Speaker
I was just going to say, if they only wait a few years, time travel very easy. You really don't need a time crystal. but You just need a lot of ah so to slingshot around a sun. It's true.
00:33:12
Speaker
um ah I had a question in my mind and now it's gone. Fuck. Oh, here, let me pull up my notes. Um...
00:33:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, like, um i think you know I think that obviously they'll they'll definitely resolve that time crystal crystal thing. But I do like it. I like it that it ties into Pike's story. I like that everything, you know, I really liked how they kind of get, like, Pike has foreknowledge of his future and he still decides to go ahead with it. Like, every most people that come to this thing, they see their future and they're like, oh, fuck no, and they leave.
00:33:51
Speaker
and then they can...
00:33:54
Speaker
I kind of laughed out loud when Pike... after he sees the vision it' very good acting. Like he's very frightened, but then like he puts his hand on his chest. He's like, you're something like you're a Starfleet officer. you say he's i think I actually wrote the words down because it's the new code by which I will live. It's service, sacrifice, compassion, and love. your star That's what a Starfleet captain I'm like, he's saying this. He's like, it was just, it was funny.
00:34:26
Speaker
It was good, but it was funny. It was meant to be serious, but i actually it was like an unintentional humor, I guess. your Your uncomfortable laugh was because you were trying not to cry. I know. i know. I know. why i um What did you think of like the Spock Burnham going on a mission together? Like all that stuff. Like what was what was warrior your thoughts on the whole the whole idea of like.
00:34:54
Speaker
That was the least interesting part, except for the fight at the end. That was an awesome fight, by the way. like The phaser blasts. They blast right through Karram,
00:35:06
Speaker
ah um Cameron, Gant. ah She like blasts right through him. It was very T-1000 Terminator type stuff going on there.
00:35:16
Speaker
Most, if not all, episodes this season include some sort of big action sequence and like not between ships necessarily but like physical action sequences within rooms uh and like every episode now what about the d7 oh yeah
00:35:37
Speaker
That was nice. Too bad we couldn't the interior. Do you think it's going to be around in the battle next week? like is that Is it still there? like like because I don't think it left, right? like that like It's still hanging around, right?
00:35:54
Speaker
i We only saw it once, right? We only saw one quick glimpse of it, I think. So it's hard to tell if we're there, where they are. And like, a there's only just the one establishing shot. So it's probably all they could afford. ah probably have Yeah, you no one you're such a cynic. I love it like like That's all they can afford.
00:36:24
Speaker
Um, what else did have in my notes here? i took notes. I watched it two times today and I'm all, I've been drinking a little bit. So this is actually an unofficial episode of drug space nine.
00:36:35
Speaker
ah I only watched it once. I immediately started watching the comedian episode of a twilight zone, which is on tonight.
Twilight Zone Mention
00:36:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Well, actually, we saw that we got both episodes on the same night here in America.
00:36:52
Speaker
So we got the comedian. You haven't seen the you know, the the actor who is in the next one with the 30,000 feet there plane episode. He was ah he was the guy who's like,
00:37:04
Speaker
Captain ah commander, it's the Enterprise in Star Trek first contact on the defiant of the define I forget his name but something Smith and then warfs like ah prepare for rhyming speed or something I Really have to go back and listen. oh yeah. He says today is a good day to die That's the right. I never hear that saying uh let's talk about okay so we had that cool scene with the um everyone having like lunch or dinner or whatever and reno's back so like okay everyone's been like we want more reno we want more reno right like obviously so like she comes back how how did you how did you feel about that like what did you think about reno
00:37:49
Speaker
I liked the whole lower deck scene in the cafeteria. That was nice. Where the mess hall, you get Linus, you get, uh, Detmer or Wichigan and, and you get Reno and, uh, yeah.
00:38:02
Speaker
I don't like Sam. just he's sulking too much, man. I can't stand that way. he He's fucking depressed. He lost his husband.
Culber and Stamets' Relationship
00:38:10
Speaker
Like whatever. Like, come on. But dude, but he also what but do it approached him two episodes ago. It was like, you know, let's talk. He's like, i don't think there's ever going to be a time. i know that was that was like a dick.
00:38:23
Speaker
That was like totally a dick move. It was not cool. I agree with that. that I think Culber is going to be the one like kind of showing up at the door with flowers and all this stuff, trying to win him back. But do you think like, don't you think that's like that? Don't you think that's appropriate? Because Culber was the first one to be like, fuck you. Let me live my own life. Like I'm not the same person I was. Right. And then he realizes, oh shit, wait, maybe I am the same person I was.
00:38:48
Speaker
Yeah, he was having like growing pains, you know, when you're born again. you Like who could know what that's like, right? yeah It's true. I agree. Like it it probably took it ah while for his mind to settle in. And, you know, Stamets being as intelligent as he is should have had a little bit more understanding.
00:39:09
Speaker
But come on. It's like, like I, I can't speak to this, but you've been married before, right? Correct. Married? Hell no. Oh, okay. But you were like in a LTR, long-term relationship.
00:39:21
Speaker
Not really. All Pass. I'm getting too personal here. All right. So my point is that like, I feel like,
00:39:32
Speaker
damn it it's probably just i don't know i can't i can't even imagine i've never been in a situation like that but i i have seen married couples like interact in in very intense intense ways and so i can i can only imagine that like it felt it felt realistic to me anyways yeah yeah well what if uh what if stamets sees a culper with somebody else that'll set him over the edge Well, you were like, take me to Vulcan. I want to teach, teach some classes.
00:40:01
Speaker
Keep my mind off this crap. How did you feel about the reveal that um ah Jet Reno had a wife? Like, you know, with the, with the, with that whole reveal of the sick bay scene.
00:40:15
Speaker
Yeah, that was nice. she ah it was It gave me the feels because you know she lost a spouse in war, the same war right that she escaped death.
00:40:26
Speaker
she escaped a ah death ah
00:40:32
Speaker
it's best it's it's best that she's ah telling him this because you know like I said earlier he's really trying to beat it into his head that you shouldn't throw away a good thing and maybe you know like whilst while you know he was like Culber was dead right so yeah and he came back ah you know what the more think about it why isn't why is Culber the guy who's got to go after him like bullshit you're You're like Team Culber, obviously. Stamets should be like stalking him and stuff and you know trying to get back with him. and but
00:41:11
Speaker
I don't know. well i't i think I don't think the writers know. I think the writers just write these guys episode by episode. on think no but i I think that scene kind of established that Stamets is a little like different. you know He's kind of like an OCD type... like You know, very like yeah he's very particular. He's like, he's what we would call in the modern day a head case.
00:41:33
Speaker
A head case. I like that. and on it And like, I mean, you're dumb. It just means that you're like, right. You have a weird personality. Right. You know what I agree with? And Culber and Reno are like more of the salt of the earth. Like they're like more like real down to earth kind of people. Like they're not like as, as kind of, I like your, I like that. I think that's true.
00:41:53
Speaker
So it's like, it's ultimately, even though it's kind of unfair, it is all ultimately up Culber to like be the sensitive one, right? Cause Stamets is, he has a hard time with sensitivity. He has a hard time with like connection in general. Like he's just so caught up in his like,
00:42:11
Speaker
like they've they've done that in this in this season really well where they've like established that stamets is like just like so caught up in like work and you know i can almost understand that it's like you get into a project and you just like really dive deep you go into the rabbit hole to like tie into another discovery ah you know like thank you here like speaking of stamets uh and getting into the spore drive stuff this was the most subtle uh The most subtle way to present sport drive jump they've ever done.
00:42:43
Speaker
Yeah was just very It's a wide shot and it's you see like a little tiny few and they don't even address it They don't even do black alert or not like until that's any time They're just for the rest of this season at least and it might go into season three I mean, I'm thinking they might have the sport drive in season three still and when they need it they're gonna jump to places As long as they have standards capable of connecting to it, yeah it's going to be around for sure. Yeah, maybe they'll kill off standards.
00:43:12
Speaker
Okay, so like ah I know we're jumping around all over the place, but going back to ah the monastery, there were some pretty interesting things there that are happening there. Like there was the pillar of the past, the pillar of the present, and he unlocks it and it opens up the like gate to all these time crystals, right?
00:43:32
Speaker
and so then like ah apparently like that that one time crystal it's almost like destiny like there's this been whole this thing this this whole season where it's like destiny versus like i guess randomness or whatever and pike's always been on the side of destiny and like here he is there's this time crystal it has his destiny and then and then um uh vokin laurel's son is like i honor you captain and he actually like like it it seems like a big deal it's like he actually presents he breaks the fucking time crystal off of the monastery gives him it's like not everyone gets this honor right so like obviously captain pike a la indiana jones chose correctly like or whatever right yeah but now now his fate is sealed right
00:44:19
Speaker
when we see those ah scenes of the future, he's in his like fleet fleet captain's uniform. So it's obviously not going to be... ge I don't think they're going to resolve this this season. Do you think that... like
00:44:33
Speaker
Do you think there's going to be a Captain Pike show? What do you think is going to happen? we ever going to see that realized, or is this it? Right now, the it's 2257. doesn't become captain until 2264 or 5. twenty two or in the show it's a twenty two fifty seven right he doesn't become fleet captain until twenty two sixty four or five Oh, there's a lot of time yet to go. and um And I'm just guessing, and this could be wrong, I'm pretty sure that accident happens in 2265. Okay.
00:45:06
Speaker
okay Because he's already given up command of the Enterprise, and whatever refit it had could have taken a year, maybe six months, who knows. So you don't think that happens on the Enterprise, the accident, whatever they're depicting?
00:45:20
Speaker
Oh, the, the, no, that happens on, uh, the fleet. Yeah. Oh, is he flew? Oh, is he fleet captain of the enterprise? I never considered. Yeah. I always thought he went, he was like just a fleet captain on another ship.
00:45:35
Speaker
They don't say it's unclear. don't, by the time Kirk becomes fleet, but by the time Kirk takes over on the enterprise, Pike is already an invalid. Like he's already like in the chair.
00:45:49
Speaker
Uh, The menagerie, I believe, takes place in the year 2267. Okay. It could be 66.
00:46:00
Speaker
So the accident hasn't hasn't happened years ago, but when they first see him, this Kirk's only finding out about this for the first time. Right. accident His accident would have had to happen right in the mid-2060s, I guess. Okay. So he's got a long ways to go. I mean, they could do a whole series with Pike and Stone. I want it so bad. What do you what about you? Yeah.
00:46:23
Speaker
But it's a smart move that they're kind of saying they're using this ah the plot device of the time crystal and him seeing his own fate as a way to say to fans, this is definitely where the timeline is going.
Excitement for Concluding Episodes
00:46:38
Speaker
There's no doubt now that this course of time that is happening right now. Right. It's for sure. it's well Yeah. We'll lead into, ah you know, all that stuff. Like Pike is, will eventually go to Talos four again, the way we see it in the menagerie in a way.
00:46:57
Speaker
But yeah, I love all that. All that stuff with Pike, it's just time crystals and time travel. i'm just I have a very wait-and-see attitude about where this is all going to end up, and I have a feeling you're going to get some answers, but not all of them. I used to think we were going to get every single question answered, but it seems like episodes pop up, and then there are 10 more questions we have to ask about what's going on that aren't answered and we're just like oh it's going to be answered at the end but do we will it really be answered at the end i mean there's i don't think i mean it can't possibly be right like it's got there's like a lot a lot of time still now between now and and like the manager or even just tos two episodes left so that's going to be interesting to see where they're going to go the the next episode looks like
00:47:49
Speaker
well I haven't seen it, but the ah the trailer, but that picture you showed me the way you described the big battle. And you said, that did you say the D7 was going to be there or something?
00:48:00
Speaker
I know. I'm i'm one i'm hoping the D7 will be there. There's no evidence that will be there. No, no. That was just me being hopeful. i hope I really hope so. That ship looked awesome.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yeah, they're leading into something big, but yeah. And then i I, you know, more of this Borg stuff or this control Borg stuff. think it's great that it's like ambiguous. Like I don't think they've gone into any further. And like I really like the theory. It's super Borg if you think about it. I mean.
00:48:34
Speaker
Yeah, but like so if Control's from the future and part of it came back to the past, like it would know who the Borg is, right? Like it's 950 years something else. or some they are you know in the future like so it would know everything like that's the thing like even a fragment of future information would put control at an advantage and give it the opportunity to create things like nanobytes and all that stuff you know i don't know why i'm calling it nanobytes but like you know the nanites or whatever like that are able to like you infect you and stuff like that scary shit scary shit like it's pretty good
00:49:07
Speaker
They definitely have to be defeated at the end. I want to see how that happens. for sure. like I mean, obviously, like the they you know what would i have to I have to give ah Discovery props for something. We know how those of us who have like seen Star Trek and watch it, like inherently we know how everything turns out. right like Ultimately, like there's no surprises really in Star Trek's every, but I feel like they do a really good job of building tension and chair and and like uh creating mystery which is i think just as good as like not knowing i would rather still still even with all these exciting things i would still rather have a show set in the future like past tng like that's just me personally like i would rather have that but i'm not gonna lie i really look forward to watching discovery every week like i think it's doing a great job of like keeping my interest and like you know
00:50:02
Speaker
despite any like qualms I might have with it, like overall, I'm very entertained by Discovery. like Just on a show level, I'm entertained by it. I'm enjoying it. like I actually love all these little things.
00:50:14
Speaker
Even though the look is something I may not agree with, it I'm starting to warm up to it. I have to admit, like I'm getting used to the fucking Klingons. like i yeah like I'm getting used to them.
00:50:25
Speaker
And I'm like less concerned about why how horrible... horribly wrong they are. Yeah. Because I'm starting to like the show a lot more. So i yeah I see what's going on.
00:50:38
Speaker
Well, after a while, like the only way to watch it without being a frustrated fan is to look at it as its own thing. Right. Right. And even when it's like really making those hardline connections to continuity that's already been established like, you know, 50 years ago, 55 years ago,
00:50:56
Speaker
fifty five years ago like referencing the cage and and Referencing Pike's eventual fate which I love the fact that they film that scene and show the whole thing like they didn't just do stupid little flashes They actually gave us some contact a real meaty yeah and then I'll just go back and watch that that part of the episode like over and over again probably not the whole thing you know like I'll watch the episode again, but there's certain things that I like to go back and, ah scenes like i I always go back to episode nine of last season, that fight between, uh, Cole and, uh, Burnham.
00:51:35
Speaker
Yeah. And she jumps and then she's beamed out while she's jumping. That was great. Yeah. and And that goes up in this scene. And I like the the camp, the end scene with a the Borg, or I mean the control guy and then the nanoprobes and all that stuff pouring out of him. And, you know, why don't they just shoot him in the head? they they
00:51:59
Speaker
But anyway. It wouldn't make a difference. To me, those type of scenes are, like, really well done, but there's a certain level of campiness to them. And it's like the guy, the evil guy taken over by the robots. He's like talking with a altered voice. It's, it's cliche, but it's fun to watch at the same time.
00:52:16
Speaker
So did you know from all ah like, were you like, yeah, that guy's totally controlled, right? Like, or were you, cause I was surprised. I was actually generally surprised when it, when it, when it happened.
00:52:27
Speaker
It crossed my mind, but I thought, like, maybe not. Maybe Control was going to infect him and during the course of the episode. Later, yeah, because he was, like, he was even reluctant to go back on board the ship. So it was just, it was really well done, I thought.
00:52:39
Speaker
I knew he was going to die. Somebody said that on Twitter earlier. It was Sean from Trek on the Tube. No, it was Sean from Trek on the Tube. Yeah, it was Sean.
00:52:50
Speaker
Credit to Sean. It was good, yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. I, well, I, I don't know. Do you have anything else to add to this episode? Should we get to our like closing thoughts and ratings?
00:53:02
Speaker
Uh, well, I want to go back and watch it again. Cause I only saw it the one time, but I'll probably like it more the second time. Oh, wow. Good thinking back. up Thinking back in it. I like it more. Uh, I'm especially appreciative of the design they had for baby Valk.
00:53:20
Speaker
That was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. That was probably the best Klingon design makeup or the most like TNG, I guess.
00:53:32
Speaker
All right. So just, just, I've just, I don't know if I'm risking myself here, but I'm just going to show that bridge one more time here as I give my closing thoughts on this episode. um So here we go. Here's the, here's the, and obviously the enterprise bridge.
00:53:51
Speaker
It was, it was rumored that this bridge would not would not make an appearance on Star Trek Discovery, but this image um makes it obvious that it will be in one of the next a couple of episodes.
00:54:06
Speaker
And I just want to you know I know you're getting probably getting tired of this, everyone is, but I give this episode another 10.
00:54:14
Speaker
it fell I just loved it. I'm loving the ride of this whole season. This season two is like what I would have loved season one to be. But I have to say that even season two is, is even for me, ah enhancing season one. Like there's all these things from season one that are, that are being explained in season two and making season one even better for me. So I, I'm really enjoying season two a lot. Um,
00:54:42
Speaker
The show, like on a on fundamental level, i have a lot, like I just disagree with a lot of the choices, but overall I think it's doing a really, like choices visually. i have to be very specific here, but overall I'm really enjoying the season and and that's why I give it another 10 because it was a knockout episode.
00:55:01
Speaker
The Pike scene, the Pike thing made me get really emotional. i start I actually cried during it, which is really hard to get me to cry. And so it was awesome. So,
00:55:11
Speaker
That's all I got to say about that.
00:55:14
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I would, uh, I was going to give it a 6.5, but I think I'll give it a seven now. Yes. Because I, I,
00:55:27
Speaker
In comparison to the last episode, i did i did like some things a lot more than liked design-wise. I liked the way the monastery looked.
00:55:40
Speaker
liked everything in the monastery except the stupid fast-growing plants and all that. I love that. but i Okay. Okay. The, the Spock Burnham, uh, into controls, uh, ship was fun at the end.
00:55:56
Speaker
was kind of mediocre going along. Uh, love the Pike stuff and, his time on Borath. Uh, I liked the way Larell looked. She looked very, actually quite beautiful, I must say. Yeah. For a Klingon.
00:56:12
Speaker
That neck is still hideous, though. that Whatever it's called. Waffle neck, I think is what people are calling it. But I have to say, this was like an image we saw like way back in the beginning, and it's finally now we saw her in this like outfit. like that you While they were filming that episode, they put out on Twitter her dancing to Demi Lovato or something That's what it was, right? And Ash Tyler was like dancing around her, or Shehzad Lateef.
00:56:39
Speaker
so yeah what's the average between 10 and 7 10 plus 7 is 17 no hey siri what the average of 10 and 7 the average 10 and 7 is 8.5 8.5 this episode
Channel Promotion and Sign Off
00:56:53
Speaker
the average of ten and seven is eight point five eight point five this episode Yeah, it's building up to some fun stuff. I got to see that. I got to see that preview for next episode.
00:57:06
Speaker
All right, well, we're going to sign off in just a minute here. um Hey, ah PJ, do you have anything to promote or talk about? Because I'm going to post this right away. Like, so this will go on tonight. ah No, you can come and visit my channel, Botrek, or you can visit my other channel, PJ's channel, or you can find me at PJ's channel on Twitter.
00:57:29
Speaker
What can people expect from obviously boat track boat wreck? I like to call it is a Star Trek themed channel, but what can people expect on PJ's channel? uh pj's channel is totally random it's like if i go and see a movie on a thursday uh knowing i can get like 50 views which is sweet man
00:57:53
Speaker
but no i like i'll do like little like two or three minute movie reviews that are totally that are totally unprepared and unscripted you can totally tell do you also do star trek content on on pj's channel yeah i had some older videos like i did a video when uh
00:58:11
Speaker
a new Star Trek show was announced. It wasn't even called Discovery or we didn't even know when it was set. That was back November 2015. But for the Star Trek stuff, go to Boat right? Yeah. but for the meat for the star trek stuff go a boat wreckck right yeah I put videos on there occasionally.
00:58:30
Speaker
I really like to do the Hangouts, like this audio-only thing. The last one I did was with Fathery from Textrek and Sean from Trek on the Tube. Trek on the Tube, great.
00:58:44
Speaker
Well, I want to discuss. I want to discuss. I want to have a discussion with all you guys on my channel. What? I'm ready. Season ends. I'm ready. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. ah so check that out. And obviously Starfleet Boy is this.
00:58:59
Speaker
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00:59:24
Speaker
And PJ, I'd love to have you on an episode of Drunk Space Nine because I know you drink the alcohol. And so it might be fun to have have that that time with you. i I should quit alcohol. I drink too much.
00:59:36
Speaker
All right. We'll figure it out. wait Maybe it'll be your... you but Maybe I can be high and you can be drunk. Designated runabout pilot. that's i like that. That's a good idea. All right. So audience, thank you for joining us. Please comment below and let us know what you thought of the discussion.
00:59:54
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And live long and prosper. And we'll see you next time. Thank you very much. Peace.