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The Tape: Volume 1
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In this very special episode of the podcast Steve and Giles take a look back on the tracks chosen in the past 17 episodes to create a purely theoretical (for the moment) "Best of…" compilation tape!
Hear the JD creative process in action as they formulate the ultimate track sequence and consider some alternative takes. There's laughter and tears along the way as the brothers discuss musical near-misses and regrettable artistic choices as well as the odd thing that went quite well.
Warning: this episode may contain hubris.
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Podcast artwork by Giles Woodward
Edited by Steve Woodward at PodcastingEditor.com
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Transcript
Youthful Adventures and Creativity
00:00:00
Speaker
When you were young, you were the king of carrot flowers and how you built the tower tumbling through the trees in holy rattlesnakes that fell all around your feet. And when we were young, we did this Johnny Domino stuff, which is what this are.
Professionalism in Podcasting
00:00:36
Speaker
Hello. Hello, Giles. Hello, Steve. Hey, shall we try and do something professional? Because we're recording this at the end of December, but it's not going to come out until the new year. So to be all professional and prepared and look like we know what we're doing. Yeah. Happy new year, Giles. Happy new year. You see, it's not actually new year, but when it comes out, it will be the new year.
Pros and Cons of Dating Themes
00:01:06
Speaker
But the thing is, right, last episode you told me off for talking about Christmas, saying, oh, it dates it, it dates it. Exactly, that's what I sound like, yeah. Yeah, it dates it. But now you've put a pin through this episode and made it about the new year. So there you go. You're a hypocrite. I am a hypocrite. I am nothing if not a hypocrite.
00:01:28
Speaker
Thank you for joining us for another episode of this podcast where me and my brother just argue about stuff in a really annoying fashion, which is why our partners don't listen to it. Yeah. Because they hear it all the time. What's it like having a partner that supports you? I don't know. I don't know. I'm being supported. I'm being allowed to do this.
Neutral Milk Hotel's Album Significance
00:01:47
Speaker
Oh, right, okay. Yeah, a bit of neutral milk hotel there. Excellent. I wouldn't say that that's my favourite album of all time, but to paraphrase Brian Clough, it's definitely in the top one. I've got a hot take for you. Go. It's a really good album. It's a great album.
00:02:05
Speaker
That's news for everybody listening to this. In an Airplane Over the Sea by Neutral Milk Hotel is a really good album. That's my hot take. Wow. You were telling me the other day that there was something about their earlier album that was an interesting fact.
00:02:21
Speaker
The interesting fact that I learnt in 2023 was that the cover of On Avery Island, the first album by Neutral Milk Hotel, has a picture of Nottingham Market Square. Yeah. So that's Neutral Milk Hotel, part of the Elephant Six Collective, who recorded music in a very lo-fi style in Athens, Georgia, in America. You're like, are you reading that?
00:02:48
Speaker
No, it's all off the top of my dome. That's amazing. I'm freestyling. But they, for some reason, included a picture of Nottingham Market Square. Yeah. From like the 19th century. That's amazing. It blew me away. I had to go and check it and it's actually real. It's fact, isn't it? Yeah, I went away and checked that. Well, according to the intranet,
00:03:09
Speaker
It's real.
Friendship and Collaboration with Neutral Milk Hotel
00:03:10
Speaker
Yeah. The other interesting thing we talked about with Neutral Milk Hotel is that our friend Tom Cox, who appeared on a previous episode, talking about song New Pink Shirt, when we were hanging out with him, he was really very supportive of our music. And he had the idea he was going to do a split single featuring New Pink Shirt by Johnny Domino on one side and Song Against Sex by Neutral Milk Hotel taken from the album on Avery Island.
00:03:39
Speaker
Could that have actually happened? He was definitely talking about it. He was banging to all the Elephant Six stuff. I remember he did as a tape, you know how everybody gave all their tapes wacky names. He did a compilation tape of a band called The Minders and it was called Mind How You Go With The Minders. Nice.
00:04:01
Speaker
I don't remember that. I mean, it would have been pretty good to be a footnote in the Neutral Milk Hotel story,
Legendary Johnny Domino Compilation
00:04:11
Speaker
wouldn't it? It would have been pretty good. I think being a footnote in that story is pretty much all we ever wanted. Yeah, but we didn't manage it. So now we're talking about a conversation which somebody said we might have. Yeah.
00:04:33
Speaker
In the previous episode of the podcast, my brother Charles trailed the fact that in this episode, we will be talking about the mythical non-existent compilation tape so far. That is the best of Johnny Domino and our home recordings. And that is what we're going to be doing. We're trying to come up with a track listing for it from the songs that we selected at the end of each episode. That's right. This is a special episode of the This R Johnny Domino podcast.
00:04:54
Speaker
Let's get on. Let's get on.
00:04:59
Speaker
It's like a review episode, really. So if you're a first time listener, then maybe this is not a good one to start off with. Maybe go back and listen to some of the earlier episodes, because we're just going to be talking about songs that we played before, probably a lot. But if you've listened to some of the earlier episodes, then, you know, carry on. If you have permission, you might dig it.
00:05:24
Speaker
When we first started off the podcast, I think I coined the phrase purely theoretical, best of mix tape. Yeah. And at the moment it does still remain purely theoretical.
00:05:38
Speaker
I don't know. Do you think maybe it might not be purely theoretical at some point?
Creating and Sharing Music
00:05:44
Speaker
Well, we've kind of started believing our own press and a bit of hubris and maybe a bit of ego has come into play a little bit. I disagree with all of these. Okay. All right. But I think you can keep saying them if you like. Okay. However, we have started talking about potentially releasing
00:06:08
Speaker
the purely theoretical compilation tape in some sort of way online on Spotify and various other internet places. Not a physical product, but putting out volume one of the best of This Our Johnny Domino. It could be a physical product. It will consist of all the songs that we have chosen to be the best of in each episode.
00:06:35
Speaker
Now, one thing that we have learned through doing this podcast is that we have a lot of very opinionated friends and listeners because frequently we've had people getting in touch saying, you chose the wrong song. I think it's good that people have got an opinion. Yeah. It's good that people are listening for a start. I want them to share that. Yeah. And you know, I have opinions about music and stuff and that's why we're doing the podcast.
Challenges of Physical Tape Production
00:07:02
Speaker
Yeah. So you don't think it will be an actual tape ever? We had a look the other day at the prices of cassette duplication. Yeah. It's quite expensive. Pretty expensive. And I don't own a tape deck, do you? I know, but it would be nice, wouldn't it? It'd be nice to make a little tape and have a little inlay. It would look like a good thing. Okay.
00:07:27
Speaker
I don't know. This is only volume one as well. It's volume one. Because we haven't come to the end of the podcast as far as we know. Well, from the songs that we've selected so far, the tape would be an hour long. Yeah, which would be a C60. Two signs of a C60 tape. And I know from my nerdish behavior that purely the recordings done by Johnny Domino, we've got about 10 hours of it.
00:07:56
Speaker
No, that's just Johnny Domino. I think you need to edit that out because that's giving people too much information. I think they're going to get scared. Okay.
Best-of Compilation for Spotify
00:08:06
Speaker
I'll edit that out. I might leave it in though because I quite like the fact that you don't want people to get scared. They're going to get scared. That's too much of someone's life. What I'm saying is we barely just scratched the surface of what we've got. Yeah, I know. But when we get to the end, it's going to get pretty bad. Oh yeah.
00:08:27
Speaker
But I don't know that. I mean, we're not just playing the good stuff. I mean, looking at the stuff that we've played so far in episodes, we haven't just selected the best songs we ever did. We've gone through a kind of a good cross section of shit. I'm thinking in particular of the song Bring a Friend, which has the best chorus ever.
00:08:49
Speaker
Yeah, I'm gonna hear that one again. I'm gonna try and get that in another episode again. But do we not record any more versions of that? No, just the one. That was enough. Okay.
00:09:01
Speaker
So yeah, this is going to be a weird episode and we're going to be discussing the track order. Yes. Yeah. And it's going to be a tape. So it's going to have two sides and we're going to maybe listen to a few songs again, maybe, or we're going to just two songs and that's it really. And then by the end of this, we're going to hopefully have decided on the order of the tape.
00:09:31
Speaker
and eventually be able to maybe put it on Spotify or something so that people could listen to the, this, I'll join a domino volume one. Yes. Which is cool. Cause like, you know, when we started this, we didn't really think, but we didn't really have an idea what we're going to do really. So at least it's getting to some kind of, some kind of a point, some kind of point. And I don't think I don't, I, you know, I'm not, I don't like the word hubris. Okay.
00:10:01
Speaker
Well, I'm just going to drink my green tea and I'm going to think about the fact that you think we're full of hubris. I don't know. It's just the fact that it was purely theoretical and now it's turning into an actual thing. Yeah. But people don't have to listen to it. No.
00:10:24
Speaker
Well, that is the story of our life. People don't have to listen to it. That could be our little tagline. We've also got to think about the cover as well. That's your bank. What's going to go on the cover? We need some artwork. I'm going to write down, people don't have to listen to it.
Track Selection and Nostalgia
00:10:43
Speaker
That might go on the front cover as well. Yes, people don't have to listen to it, but we have to create it.
00:10:51
Speaker
and listen to it. There you go. Right. Okay. I'm working on a design while we're making this episode. Yeah. Excellent. I'm going to do a drawing. Okay. So first side of the tape. Yes. Right. Okay. Now in preparation for this,
00:11:13
Speaker
And we've decided that you are going to organize the first side just in an arbitrary manner. We decided that you can do that. And you have bagzied some songs. I'm okay with that.
00:11:26
Speaker
And you've got an idea of the order, right? Yes. So, shall we start off with side one? And it's important, isn't it? Side one of a take. Track one, definitely. This is going to be important. You need something good. Yes. Are we going to have any quotes on this tape? No. Unless they're part of the song.
00:11:48
Speaker
That was a thing that you were really good at. You used to always put really good quotes on the tapes that you made. Yeah, bits of dialogue from TV and rubbish films and things. It was really good. You had some great ones from Planet Nine, from Out of Space, and a lot of other films. I want to hear some of them again.
00:12:09
Speaker
Have you still got the tape? I've still got the tapes. I think you need to get off your arse and digitise some of that. I've still got the tapes, but I don't have a tape deck. Oh, I'm going to buy you one. I'm going to get paid because I've got literally no money. Because it's the new year. And you're dating the podcast right now. Anyway, track one, side one.
00:12:32
Speaker
I've gone back and forth over this and as you say I've bagzied some songs and I think I've left you a lot of good ones for side two. Okay well we'll see, we'll see. Now track one, side one, I've gone for the artist. Hello. I've got a lot to say but not much time.
00:13:00
Speaker
Squeezing it out of my head But after that, well not much happened
00:13:29
Speaker
The reason I chose that one is I remember that when we did start doing gigs as a proper band, we would frequently start with a version of that.
00:13:38
Speaker
And as was pointed out to me by a friend of mine, if we're being completist and God forbid we're going to be completist about this whole podcast thing, but there are other versions of some of the songs we've talked about. Sometimes we've mentioned them, but one that we didn't mention was we did record a full band version of that song, The Artist. Let's have a quick listen to it, shall we? Go on then.
00:14:22
Speaker
Hello? I've got a lot to say But not much time Squeezing a task on my head But after that, well not much happens Don't want to talk small Don't want to talk big Don't want to talk at all
Song Dynamics and Recording Quality
00:14:56
Speaker
Why did you just turn it off? I was getting into that. I just don't like that version at all. I was quite liking it. I like the bass is nice and bouncy. I like the fact it's everybody. That's Elston on bass. Yeah, a bit of Elston on bass, right? A bit of Jim singing. It was nice. I don't know. I think one thing about the volume two of this Johnny Domino podcast,
00:15:22
Speaker
I think we're going to get into some more of the album stuff. We've got to get into some of the old album stuff. Because, you know, I haven't listened to that for a while. No, well, I've got some ideas of some songs that I definitely want to talk about. Yeah. So the latest stuff. Yeah. We've got like, it's not just me and you. Yeah.
00:15:45
Speaker
But yeah, I don't know. I didn't mind that. But more than didn't mind it. I actually liked that version. I want to hear a bit more of it though, Steve.
00:16:15
Speaker
I'm running out of paint Don't want to talk small Don't want to talk big Don't want to talk at all Just want to say nothing About how I just messed everything up
00:16:53
Speaker
Swery. Oh! Why did we do that? I don't know, you see we had it a little bit earlier. Was that a production choice? That was a production choice. I don't know why at all. I don't know. You see, that's just ruined it for you, hasn't it? Well, I don't know. I'd get rid of that end bit. Yeah.
00:17:14
Speaker
I liked it.
Podcast Ambience and Listener Experience
00:17:15
Speaker
The only thing that stopped once that maybe there's a bit of hubris here that's making me not want to put that track one side one of volume one of the Johnny Domino best off compilation is that I was kind of liking the fact that it starts off with going, hello. Right. And on the original version, I have a person who says hello.
00:17:41
Speaker
But on that version, Jim is the person who says hello. And this part of me wants to be the person who says hello at the start of the tape. Well, I think that's good. I don't know whether that's good or not. That's just me being overly proud. I think you should be proud. I'm puffing my chest out. I think you should be proud. It's a good thing. We liked that song.
00:18:10
Speaker
I wasn't thinking it was a good first track actually but I'm kind of warming to it and going for the original version. The only thing that sort of puts me off putting the original version as the first track is it is a little bit Jake Thackeray. Well the reason I had trouble coming up with the track listing for this tape is because it is all over the place. There's no real through line between them other than the fact it was recorded by us.
00:18:36
Speaker
No. So we've got to start off with something. You've got to start off with something and it might as well be something where you say hello at the start. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to sign off on that. Okay. We're not going to do this for every single track because it's going to be a very long podcast. No, we can't do it.
00:18:51
Speaker
But yeah, okay. But yeah, we'll go with that as track one, side one. The artist. Yeah. Good. Okay. And then track two would be, I mean, Jesus, we've been going 25 minutes already. It's all right. People like podcasts are meant to go on for a long time. People just have it on in the background. They'll walk away and then come back and we're still talking. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's just like part of the ambience, right? You know, maybe they're on a long car journey. Yeah. You know,
00:19:24
Speaker
And if you are on a long car journey, please remember to take frequent breaks and be safe.
Nostalgic Critiques of Songs
00:19:31
Speaker
Yeah. And when the fun stops, stop. Yeah, do it. That's a gambling message. Yeah. Can I go on to track two? Yeah, go on. My track two is new pink shirt. Okay. Because I'd like to have a couple of really good songs at the start to grab people.
00:19:50
Speaker
Yeah, and I think I think it was a song that was pivotal. It was pivotal in the history of the Johnny Domino band. Do you think maybe? I just think it was a good one. And we had a whole story in
00:20:05
Speaker
gosh, what episode was it? Give me a second. It was episode five, which is going all the way back. But that was the one where we talked about our friend Tom and him introducing our music to the Delgardo's and we had that whole story of supporting them. So yes, it was quite pivotal. But as we discussed at the time, it was a song that everybody liked. So we stopped playing it.
00:20:32
Speaker
Yeah, we did. We stopped writing songs like that for a long time. Yeah. But again, this has got an alternate version. Yes. Which I think we should listen to because we didn't do it on the podcast.
00:20:48
Speaker
a few months ago. I inserted it into the final mix. But we didn't really listen to it. And I was listening to it again. I listened to it again the other day. Yeah. With fresh ears. Yes. And I think there's something good about the second version of this. I like it. So we should listen to it. It's got, I think it's got really good bass sound. Yeah.
00:21:16
Speaker
It's like got one of the best bass sounds we ever recorded, I would say. Okay. Actually on this track. But there is one thing I would get rid of, which would be the counting, the drum machine counting, which, why did we keep it in? Why? Because we were recording it live. There was no way to remove it.
00:21:38
Speaker
Oh, I just, I hate it. Yeah. Well, we recorded this version in the bakery, which was cables, practice space. So we had various things were going through the PA, including the vocals and the half of the drum machine track. And the other half was going through a keyboard amp. And then Mark's stuff was going through his guitar amp. My stuff was going through a guitar amp and you were going through a bass amp. So we were recording in a room.
00:22:08
Speaker
And there was no way we'd have been able to come in on the offbeat without the click. And there's no way to move it on the four track. And it is particularly irritating. Oh man, if anybody out there has got like some kind of technology that can remove the accounting at the start of this track, like some sort of AI type technology, just do it for us, please. Just do it.
00:22:38
Speaker
If you will only lend us your base And maybe give us some money There is my brother, don't you trust his face I've got a shirt, got a new pink shirt, sick of that old shit I've thrown it away, I've got a shirt, got a new pink shirt, sick of that old shit I've thrown it away
00:23:27
Speaker
I've thrown it away I've thrown it away I've thrown it away I've thrown it away
00:24:07
Speaker
I really don't like that version. I don't know. I think your reaction is too strong. What is it that you don't like about it? I don't think it... Right, this is going to sound incredibly pretentious, but here we are. It doesn't swing.
00:24:25
Speaker
With the drum machine, it's so rigid and there's no dynamics to it in the same sort of way. Although we have got the bass guitar and Mark doubling the bass guitar on the electric and me playing my regular guitar a bit on it. I don't know. I think it's just got different dynamics.
00:24:45
Speaker
I just, I think it's flat. I think it's really flat and I don't think the recording helps it. Maybe if we recorded it on the 8-track when we got it, we could have made it pop a little bit, but I just think it's all a bit dreary.
00:24:59
Speaker
I don't know. I knew you were never going to include that version instead of the first version because I know you're pretty keen on the first version. But I think we sounded pretty good. I liked that iteration of the band and I liked that arrangement. I liked the different guitars and the bass.
00:25:25
Speaker
I don't know man, I mean I used to have a thing about the drum machine and kind of like be quiet. I used to kind of like hate the drum machine a bit and sort of like, I wish we had the drummer but actually I don't know, I don't mind drum machine. I quite like the kind of the regularity of it, you know? And it's, you know, there are bands that use drum machine that do swing.
00:25:51
Speaker
I just don't think it did. But not everything, you don't have to... I don't know. I can't think of a piece of music that doesn't swing that I like. There's lots of music that doesn't swing that I like. Yeah, but I don't think this is going on way too long. This is going to be an absolute pig to edit at the moment. You're thinking about... Well, we're talking about it too much. We're on track two.
00:26:18
Speaker
We've been going for half an hour. Yeah. Well, maybe the rest of the podcast is going to be like really quick. Maybe we're not going to have that much to talk about on the rest of them. So I won't worry about it too much because at least we've got something to say about these ones. Yeah.
Compilation Tracklist Decisions
00:26:35
Speaker
I'm doing a good drawing for the front cover. Excellent. That's good.
00:26:40
Speaker
Yeah, my problem with that song, we probably won't agree. But I did that version of the song, I don't think it... I think the bass guitar is unnecessary to the song. I think it's too... Now this is going to sound even more pretentious than swaying. I think it's fine to be pretentious. Okay, I think it's too masculine.
00:27:02
Speaker
As a full band iteration, it's too masculine. Don't be scared of your masculinity. I'm not scared of my masculinity. It just seems a bit, it's a bit obvious. In a way. It's the undertape version. I wouldn't quite get that far, but I just think it's, it's a bit obvious and that's, that's my problem with it. And I think the recording is quite dull and that click is really irritating. The click is annoying. Super annoying. If someone can get rid of that click, that'd be amazing. I'm sure that'd be easy.
00:27:33
Speaker
do it. I don't know. That would solve it for me. I like the masculinity of the song. And I also, I quite like the irony of the fact that it's a song which is at least partly about not having a bass. And on that version, the bass is my favourite instrument on there. So there you go.
00:27:55
Speaker
But yeah, I think, all right, we'll go with that as the second track. Okay. But probably not that version. If I'm putting it together, it's definitely not that version. Okay. We'll go for the swinging version. Yes. The swinging version. The swinging version that people like.
00:28:10
Speaker
as opposed to the masculine version that no one likes. I don't know, I think people do. I think you will find that some people like that version. Anyway, can we zip through the rest of side one? Yeah, go. Okay, next is, home music is killing taping. No, no, that's bad, bad, bad.
00:28:39
Speaker
It's not too early for that. Okay. Track four would be wack. Okay. Track five would be got it easy. Yep. Track six would be the one that time forgot by the Elvis impersonators. Nice.
00:29:05
Speaker
which is from the episode where we couldn't pick a winner. And in the poll and the comments on the podcast and in various places, it was a dead heat between that song and none of them. So because of that, we've said, well, that song.
00:29:27
Speaker
Then after that it would be say something, then reaching for a reason by Jimmy Dorito, and then ending on the last mod. That's the end of side one. I think that's a good ending track for side one. I like that because it leaves them on a slightly pensive, thoughtful note.
00:29:48
Speaker
But that side one, but you have a problem with the positioning of how music is killing too. Yeah, it's like a wacky song. It's too early for a wacky song. I think we put that one down before reaching for a reason.
00:30:04
Speaker
okay yeah and then they're both about home recording yeah that's the home recording section of the tape okay yeah okay i like that is it all right yeah i can dig that that's cool that's that's side one side one mmm complete
00:30:30
Speaker
Side two. And this is your side of the tape? I've been given the responsibility for the track order for this side. Bring us home. So I'm going to start off with Vision Cube. Ah, from the first episode. I think it's a stronger opener. Whatever your job is, you can help by making sure you understand your vision. And then by applying it to what you'll do, keep your Vision Cube handy to remind you what the vision is about.
00:31:24
Speaker
This is a bit upbeat. Then Europop.
00:31:30
Speaker
Nice. Then we're going to go with reader and the poster girl, which is a favorite of mine. Yeah. But good position for it, I think. Then we're going to go a bit of a fun track. We're going to go with Potential Bomb. A fun track. Well, recorded on the old four track that didn't work properly. Didn't even have four tracks.
00:31:53
Speaker
bit of a sing along with our friends. Beautiful. An old folk song. And then we're going to go a bit of a gear shift to Max. Yeah. Which is like the full band version of Johnny Domino recording on an eight track. So it sounds professional.
00:32:26
Speaker
A reminiscence on the gig with Mick Artistic. And then we've got No Lizard King, where you allow the hippie to come out. Then 4x4.
00:32:44
Speaker
Yeah. Which we picked on the episode with our friend Dick. Yeah.
Musical Influences and Memories
00:32:50
Speaker
Yeah. And it's a song about riding around in his Land Rover. Yeah. And he liked that one in particular because it sounded like a lumbering Land Rover. Yeah. And it was a bit of a controversial choice for some people because they wanted us on that episode to pick the Jimmy Dorito song, Reap the Wind, which is a good one, but we went for this.
00:33:52
Speaker
But there is an alternate version of this. Yeah.
00:33:57
Speaker
It's not as lumbering. Well, it's not even slightly lumbering. It's not. It's quite limber. It sounds like it's being sung around a campfire. It does a bit. It reminds me of a band like Gomez or something. Don't talk to me about Gomez. Don't talk to me about Gomez. You know how I feel about Gomez.
00:34:24
Speaker
I might have found a stick to prod you with here. You've opened an old wound. Yes, I suppose out of any of our songs, this is the one that sounds the most like Gomez. Is it? Yes. But the real reason I hate Gomez is that A, one of the band members is from Derbyshire.
00:34:43
Speaker
So why do you hate them for that? I'm getting onto it. Reason two is they won a Mercury music prize for their first album. A lot of which was recorded on a four track tape recorder. Okay. You don't hate them because of that.
00:35:00
Speaker
Well, I don't like the music anyway. But they got our Mercury prize. That's our Mercury prize. We should have won it. Is it? I mean, yeah, we didn't release anything, but that's our Mercury prize. We was robbed. Yeah, right. Okay. Whatever. Yeah. But so, yeah, I don't know. I think this version is quite good, actually. If you remember the earlier version, it's got the
00:35:26
Speaker
very sloppy drumming. Yes. And is it me playing the guitar on it? On which version? On the first version, on the one that got onto the mixtape. On that one, you're playing the low guitar. Yeah, yeah. And I'm doing the high guitar. So it's got me kind of twanging along on the low guitar doing the bass kind of sound. Yeah. And this version, we've cleaned it up, we've cleaned it up. And I think you're doing
00:35:53
Speaker
the guitars on it i'm doing all of it and it's got a drum machine right yeah and is it just me singing on it no we're both singing okay but it's got some quite nice singing on it i think i don't really liked it i was listening to this the other day i was thinking
00:36:11
Speaker
God, this is great. This is really good. I've discovered something good in the back catalog, in the tape mountain, that perhaps I haven't heard for ages and actually it's a little jam. It's really good. And then it gets about halfway through and it kind of falls to bits. It's just boring. It's just like, oh my God, get on with it. It's the equivalent of somebody
00:36:34
Speaker
running with the ball from like the edge of the penalty area and then getting three quarters away across the pitch. Yeah. Past all the defenders and then literally just falling over. I'm loving the sporting metaphor. I know. It's pretty good, isn't it? I'm experimenting with that. It's definitely an experiment for you to talk about sport. Yeah, I might do some stuff about tennis next. Ooh, that'd be good. Yeah. You know what's the thing about Gomez though, right? Yeah, yeah. You got to remember,
00:37:04
Speaker
that they didn't have a conversation with the published author, Tom Cox, about possibly doing a split single with Neutral Milk Hotel. You know, so screw them. So who's the winner? Who's the real winner? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Gomez. Gomez stole my Mercury. Yeah.
00:37:31
Speaker
A vehicle away from me There is nothing round for a while And it doesn't smell the same I wrote a song in my head last night And it sounded alright I wrote a song in my head last night And it sounded alright I am keeping on right All the snow This is the biggest deal you will ever make
00:38:32
Speaker
This is where it gets flat, isn't it? I don't mind that, mate. This place is awful.
00:39:01
Speaker
So I just walked out the room there. No, I hate this. I'm not having this on. I'm not having this on the podcast this shit. What do you mean you're not having it on the podcast? It's on the podcast, man. It's quite awful guitar playing. You're not taking it off. I'm taking it off. I've got the headache. I've got the headache. It's fine.
00:39:40
Speaker
It's really flat here as well.
00:40:21
Speaker
And some of the electric guitar playing at the end, it sounds like something off the second Stone Roses album. That is gold. That's podcast gold, that is. That is bloody awful. Yeah. In fact, did we record that around the same time as Bring a Friend? No. Yeah, it's from the same batch of songs. Yeah, exactly. You were definitely going for that guitar thing at that time, weren't you? Not necessarily, because it's from the same batch of songs as New Pink Shirt. I don't know.
00:40:51
Speaker
I didn't think it was that
Ending the Compilation on a Heartfelt Note
00:40:52
Speaker
bad of us. I quite liked it. Apart from the middle section where it all kind of goes a bit like we've run out of ideas. We've definitely run out of ideas. But I like the singing. I think the singing is good and there's good bits in it and there were good ideas in it. We didn't really work on it hard enough. We didn't put enough effort in there. I think I'm going to give us a minor score for efforts. But we are going to keep the original version of 4x4 which is
00:41:21
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It's got a bit more charm to it, I think. Yeah, I agree. And then after 4x4, back to the track listed. I did enjoy your reaction to that, that was fun. 4x4 is track 7, I think, on that side. So two more tracks on that side. And then you've got Drunken Master, which we're not going to argue about because we both like that one. And then ending the tape with a bit of sincerity.
00:41:49
Speaker
and genuine emotion with music of a golden age.
00:43:00
Speaker
the map.
00:43:04
Speaker
You want to journey through the irony and through the fun tracks and then end with something that's a bit more heartfelt. I think that's a good way to end.
00:43:17
Speaker
You see, I wouldn't have chosen something so sincere for the last song.
Future Volumes and Ideas
00:43:21
Speaker
I would probably have had Music of a Golden Age as the penultimate track, then end with Europop. Just to undercut the sincerity because, you know, it's like the development of the grand third album. You've got the murder mystery and then you've got After Hours, just a cute little song to finish it off. So you're not left reeling from this like eight minute
00:43:47
Speaker
emotional workout. I'm thinking more loaded, you see. Okay, you're ending on oh sweet nothing. Yeah. Okay.
00:43:55
Speaker
There you go. Let's end with sincerity. Let's keep it sincere. Yeah. Yeah. Are you all right with that, then? We're happy with the track listing. Yeah. OK. So that's it. So we've done it. Well done. Well done, Steve. Thank you. Yes. We've achieved a track listing for the best of this or the best of Johnny Ommo. Is it the best of this or Johnny Ommo? Or the best of Johnny Ommo? I think it's the best of this or Johnny Ommo. Ah, there you go. So we've got a title. There you go.
00:44:24
Speaker
Volume one. Volume one. How many more to come? Many. Many more. Many, many more. And what's going to be on the front cover? Any ideas? What should we put on the front cover? Do you think we should just have either a nice picture of me and you smiling? Yeah. Nice photo. Yeah.
00:44:51
Speaker
or a drawing of the tape logo thing, or none of the above, maybe something a bit more random, like a picture of some cooling towers or a rabbit.
00:45:07
Speaker
Well, you are the visual artist of the band. I think you're the art director. So you should really decide. I quite like the idea of having the tape logo. That's probably a bit obvious. I don't think anyone wants to see a picture of us both. I think we go for like a really misleading cover and go for like kind of some sort of like really psychedelic Roger Dean style landscape. Okay. You go in full gizzard. Full gizzard. Right. Yeah.
00:45:39
Speaker
Well, that's your call. Alternatively, something that looks really like... I don't know. I mean, do you want to go down the kind of the pavement album cover, like the kind of ripped up collage kind of scrawled writing, you know, which is kind of...
00:45:59
Speaker
the thing that would perhaps fit in it, right? It would be in keeping, wouldn't it? It would be in keeping, because it would be that style of thing. Or, yeah, or a hand drawn kind of Daniel Johnson kind of thing. See, there's so many options. Which one are we going to go for? Why don't you do all of them? Do all of them? No, don't. No. So we could combine, like, yeah, wouldn't have got it. I think we combine those things together.
00:46:28
Speaker
Combine the Daniel Johnston drawing with the collage with the Rog Dean. Yeah. There you go. Okay. And a nice picture of me and you smiling. Aww. There you go, that's it. So that's the end of this episode, I think.
Episode Conclusion and Future Content
00:46:49
Speaker
Is it, Steve? I think that'll do. Okay, you're a bit worried that we've gone on to, don't you? Yeah.
00:46:56
Speaker
At what time are we on at the minute? What's the count? 54 minutes. 54 minutes of pure gold. Thank you very much for listening to this rambling, possibly more rambling than normal podcast. I don't think it is more rambling than normal. Okay. I don't think so. I think it's as rambling as normal. Okay, that's good. We're going to come back in the new year.
00:47:22
Speaker
with volume two of this Arduino and choose some more tracks. We've got more stuff to sift through from the Tate Mountain and we're still also obviously accepting submissions from people. Send us some stuff, send us some songs, send us some old recordings and you know we may include you in the show.
00:47:48
Speaker
And I've got a few more ideas for things that we might do. So at the minute, we're going to keep rolling with it. Absolutely. And hopefully, you know, you'll keep listening to it or at least having it on in the background where you'd go for a long car journey or doing the washing up. Yeah. Okay.
00:48:17
Speaker
I am telling you, you are awesome. I'm not an addict.