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When Joy Leads the Surrogacy Journey
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What happens when both the intended mom and the surrogate choose joy over fear?
In this episode, you’ll meet Maddison and Jesse, an intended mother and surrogate whose relationship was rooted in authenticity, vulnerability, and celebration from the very beginning.
Instead of bracing for what could go wrong, they made a conscious decision to celebrate every milestone, every appointment, and every step of the surrogacy journey. What began as a match quickly became a genuine friendship, one that brought two families together in a way neither of them expected.
In this conversation, you’ll discover:
• What intentional joy looks like in surrogacy
• How alignment turns into lasting friendship
• Why emotional trust matters in matching
• How surrogates and intended parents can build a relationship rooted in celebration, not fear
If you’re exploring surrogacy, whether as a hopeful intended parent or a potential surrogate, this episode offers a hopeful, grounded look at what’s possible when trust, gratitude, and partnership lead the way.
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Transcript
Initial Nervousness and Hope in Surrogacy
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I mean, im I was nervous about the surrogacy process. I had no idea what it was. I was just so thankful because the alternative was so dark. and We really felt like it was a godsend. It was like literally in the nick of time. And so um the whole journey has been hopeful and joyful.
00:00:16
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Part of a surrogacy journey can be bracing for what could go wrong. The waiting, the risk, the what ifs. But what happens when you choose something different?
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What happens when joy leads the story? When a hopeful mama doesn't just wait for the baby, she jumps in ready to trust and celebrate the journey.
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When a surrogate doesn't just carry a baby, she celebrates a mama. Because everyone's story is different. like every Every baby is born differently. Every baby is brought into the world differently. like That's their story.
00:00:51
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The same thing. like I can tell my side of the story all day long, and Madison can tell hers. But like that's my favorite part is when they start becoming the same story in some parts and then interwave with each other. like And these two families being brought together. It's absolutely my favorite part.
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This isn't just a story about a match that worked. It's about authenticity, vulnerability, and a friendship built on joy. Two women, one journey, and a decision that fear wouldn't get the final word.
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This is what happens when joy leads the way.
Rapid Transition and Matching Process
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Enjoy.
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Madison, you are weeks away from meeting Baby Boy yeah and Jessie. Your second time carrying and we like delivery day right around the corner. We're like right in the middle of this waiting. Madison, what has this season like actually felt like for you? Not like the highlight reel, but like the day today, those emotions as you so beautifully put it, kind of you're carrying hope throughout this whole surrogacy process. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I had zero understanding of what any of this was. um and like every day has been just such a wealth of information that's been thrown at me, especially in the beginning, obviously when we were doing IVF. And very long story short, of which I won't go into the whole thing, but I also found out that I had like this illness
00:02:28
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right when we were going to start trying to conceive ourselves. And then we were like, we need to get a surrogate, like pretty much immediately right before we started trying. And so the past year and a half has been just an influx of information, total whiplash, like tornado of emotions. um yeah A lot of uncertainty. And just every day my husband and i are like, what is even going on? like This is like a science experiment, but it's also a child.
00:02:56
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What's going on? I love it. love it. But I think this is so, i mean, that experience is, i think for some, you have you have intended parents who maybe like they they start down the journey, we're gonna start trying, and it's years and years and years before surrogacy is even on the table. And for you, like you said, it was got a diagnosis, oop going straight to surrogacy like that's a lot to deal with and you said like a year and a half ago so we're on a short time span here and there's a baby coming in a couple months here yeah it was it was like the time from diagnosis to realizing we did a surrogate was like basically a two-week period and then the time from realizing that to going through IVF was maybe two months because I talked to my doctor, like basically as soon as I could and they scheduled it. And then the time between like embryo and Jesse was like two weeks.
00:03:59
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yeah We matched so fast. It's been insane. So yeah yeah. So during, I mean, again, like you said, you,
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You had just, you and your husband had just decided you were about to start trying. Now all of a sudden you have this diagnosis and you're just totally thrown. Yeah. Everything's going so fast.
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How have you gone, how have you been able to find hope and joy within this process, even at the beginning? I think that um like
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the difference between the pregnancy journey as it has been, which has been so joyful with Jesse, and what it would have been based on this thing that I have, which could have ended very tragically for like both me and baby. like From the very beginning, we have...
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just been so thankful, right?
Differences in Surrogacy Experiences
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and Because I'm like, I can't be, I mean, im I was nervous about the surrogacy process. I had no idea what it was, but I wasn't like anxious or fearful. I was more just nervous because what is this? But- Sure. um i was just so thankful and jesse can like attest to this like on all of our match meetings we were just like we're just so happy that you exist and we're just so thankful like because the alternative was so dark and we really felt like it was a godsend it was like literally in the nick of time and so um the whole journey has been hopeful and joyful because the alternative was just like devastation right and like you know all kinds of things that could have gone wrong so
00:05:38
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not so much grief. Like we went through our grieving process, like when I got the diagnosis and all that, right. And like handling the medical side on on my end and like, you know I've been doing testing all year. um But the baby, like Jesse onward has been like zero So anyways.
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Jessie, this is your second journey. So we've you know we've done this. What feels different for you this time around? i anything. like to what you were saying to like your conversation, like this being their first go, like this is their first, like we got our diagnosis. Cool. We're going surrogate.
00:06:19
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And between like my first journey, like this was there, like they were in a different situation. It was okay. We've done this, this, this let's go surrogacy. So those come with so much, like so many feelings.
00:06:32
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And I feel like, like with Madison and like, um, the I G's like, when we went to Dallas and we got to spend time with her parents, Like, it was so fun to be like, like, this was all we knew. And so they would ask me questions. I'm like, I feel like I'm a book now, but I'm like, ah but like, I've only done this once, guys. And so it's just been...
00:06:52
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I don't know. It's so different. Like it's so fun and so special, but so different in every aspect. Well, it's almost like there's kind of a sense of um comfort because you like kind of know what's going, like what what's coming up, but you're you're kind of also getting to like experience this like ah for the first time through Madison, which there's just a fun joy that comes from that too.
00:07:15
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And it's so fun. like We have kids of our own, so it's fun to see like them starting out. And Jake will tell me like there's some things like we'll do, and I'm like, oh, i just love it. They're doing things for the first time, and it's so exciting. you know And then you know like our kids are excited, and they'll bring up things like they're excited for to see the baby do and stuff. And it's just, like everyone's at different life cycles, if you will, like at different parts of their life. And it's just so much fun for me to like hear the things Madison and Matt are doing. And like, we joke sometimes about like baby training with the cats and stuff. Like there's just much fun.
00:07:52
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I love it. I love it You guys obviously have just a beautiful relationship. What helped the two of you just build that trust?
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and be able to, you know, have the relationship that you have now? I mean, i i feel like we clicked pretty fast. yeah I feel like, um, I really appreciated the way the application system is laid out with you guys. Right. Um, and the matching system, because, um,
00:08:26
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I felt like you know we put all of ourselves into the application and you know I wrote it in our personality and I tried to be as fun as possible. And then when we got Jessie's profile, I was like, this this is like the same person.
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I love it. She's awesome. And I just really felt like it had been the best you know online dating experience.
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So i mean pretty much from the get-go like as soon as we got through all of the details it was like oh my gosh like I finally got your number I'm so excited it's been like weeks
Educating and Motivating Others
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of waiting until I yeah talk to you right yeah so Yeah. From my perspective. Yeah, no, communication, the day it dropped, immediately I'm like, so we have like the boy chat, which is husbands included. We love that. Sure. You know, and then we have like our counselor chat for like, you know, keep things like business and stuff. And then immediately I was like, separate chat.
00:09:22
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Absolutely. Absolutely. No, I love it. I love it. Well, I mean, you know, Madison, you've really like, again, shout out to Meg and Lauren and, you know the matching and education team, because I do feel like, you know, they just, they're so good at what they do when you got that application. And you know, same to you, Jesse, when you got Madison's application, what, what was it? What was the thing that you were like, I know this match like just totally feels right.
00:09:51
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I mean, ah we looked at it for a good like 30 seconds. not hard. think so. saw the. it was not hard um i think so i saw the When she talked about like, this is my ministry, it was like a big deal, right? Because um that, I mean, we're very faith-driven family. And so that was a big deal. But then all of her answers were just like, I feel like, i have a tendency, like I tell people like I'm a black cat personality and I have a tendency to like draw,
00:10:24
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like pink princesses to me. I'm like, I like Glinda's like all like come to me and I saw her profile and I was like, this is just like another one my pink princesses. Like I love her. um And she just had so much light and she was, i mean, it was just, I don't know. I think the biggest thing for me though, cause I was already sold within 30 seconds is my husband read it and he was like, I love her. And I was not expecting him to be a huge,
00:10:54
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Like, you know, a huge part of the picking process, right? I mean, I guess yeah he is, right? But, you know, as a guy, I mean, like, you you know, do what you want. But he was like, I love her. i Like, let's let's talk to her now. i'm like, okay, well, you know, that's fine. So.
00:11:08
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I love it. What about you, Jessie? I feel like in the beginning we were joking about, like, the QB and the sports aspect. He was like, the stats are there. Because Matt is so... Yes. Yes. So like D1 uterus. Did we do it? D1 uterus is what he said.
00:11:26
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So that's umlarious literally for me, i like I'm okay. Yes. Putting my profile together. I've always joked about that being my one aspect of online dating. Me and my husband have been dating since 15. So like didn't date, you know, met in the halls of the school, you know, love it.
00:11:43
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And so I was like, I never online dated. So like coming up with my friends, be like, what do I say about myself? Like, you just don't know how to describe yourself. Like I just, that was the difficult process for me. And so my first time around, I was literally already in the delivery room, like talking like next time when we do this and my husband's like,
00:12:02
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I think you might be crazy. Like looking at the doctor, like, can you check her head? Like maybe she's in the room. There's no way next time. Like, this is crazy. And so I literally told my husband, i was like, I'm going to be so picky. Like this could be my last surrogate journey. Like, I don't know, like, you know, maybe this is it for me. I'm going to be so picky. He said, okay, well, you start looking. I'm going to finish up what I'm doing on the computer and I'll be in there in a few minutes and we'll look together and it'll be fun.
00:12:29
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I don't think it was 45 seconds later. had already like checked, like that one was a top. Like for me, I was like, oh my gosh, is like ah the first profile. Cause I remember our match one being like, I have a feeling that this connection is like a meant to be connection. She was like, but you tell me, we'll put it out there. yeah And it was like an immediate grab. Like literally like if bestie vibes form, they were already formed. I was convinced like we're doing this at this point. I think that was actually in my application. was like, if bestie vibes form, I am so up for it.
00:13:05
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Yes. Oh my gosh. I love it. That's amazing. And I just remember my husband being like, I'm so glad that we took a really long time to make sure. Yeah. I already found them, Jake. Come look like this is them. I'm telling you now. When you know, you know, when you know, you know, I love it. I love it. Oh my gosh.
00:13:23
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Jesse, you've got, you've kind of already said, you know, you kind of like are in this situation where like you, you kind of feel a little bit like a book, even though, you know, you were like, I've only done this once, but you know, you've, you're feeling pretty confident when, and you've also said like, you really love this idea of like educate everyone.
00:13:39
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Yeah. Why is that so important to you? You know, growing up, I have always been drawn to this. I don't know what it was. I don't even remember. But like, I remember like one, i was like, I'm going to grow up and be a mom. Like, that's the job.
00:13:52
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Done. Princess, mom, obviously. And then I remember just being like, oh, my gosh, I was immediately drawn. One the first time I had seen, and I swear, I think it might have been like a lifetime murder mystery surrogate. movie. And I was like, Oh, dear oh cool. She's carrying someone's baby. from that part of it was cool. Not the other part was a little crazy guys. But I remember being like, that's so cool to do that. And then I had my first kiddo and I was like, I love being pregnant. Like I loved everything about it. Um, and then mom, like being a mom is my whole identity. I feel like I like
00:14:31
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I've always been a nurturer. And so for me, it's so natural and I love everything about it. And so we had our two boys and I was like, would I be okay with just being a boy mom? Like that'd be the rest of our life. And then we ended up having surprised our little girl at the very end. And I was like, I feel so complete. Like I have the one little princess spoiler rotten.
00:14:50
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The two boys are sweet as can be. i was like, it's perfect. No more. Like we're done. And then those thoughts started to creep in and I told my husband, I'm not done. i think I want to do it again. i would totally do it again for someone. And he was like, yeah, that's crazy. I can't believe anyone would want to do that again.
00:15:07
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and he came home and our group of surrogate Southern moms, right? One of the ones that you just had on your podcast. hi guys Shout out to our Illinois girls. yeah My husband came home and said, well,
00:15:21
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One of our, uh, one of the guys I work with, his wife decided to do it. She's joined a surrogate group. Do you want the information? And he brought it home and I had a profile that night and I was so excited. I was like, I can't wait to start this. Like I'm doing it. I was so excited to do it. And I mean, it just moves quick. In my experience, my first but match was real, real quick matched immediately took off and they were on the fast track. They were so ready. And so.
00:15:50
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I feel like, and then this summer I was like, I'm really gonna take my time. I'm gonna see. It was like a five minute snatch and it was like, yep, that's it. Let's go again. Yeah, yeah. Do you feel, so had you heard, I mean, I know you said the Lifetime movie, but do you feel like that that Southern Illinois group, how like is, I mean, there's been such,
00:16:10
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It's been such a beautiful community to watch grow because everybody does just keep talking about it and being okay with asking questions and answering questions. And i feel like that's kind of like where you were talking about the education and the root come from it.
00:16:22
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What I had known about it was so vague. i was like, oh, you just carry someone else's baby, you know? And then, you know, I had known of Paige was another one that like in your small community, you're like, i actually knew someone who lived in our area who did it. Not directly, but there was like a line there, you know?
00:16:39
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And so everyone would have questions. And so I found that being my process, the first go round, I did it. Everyone had questions and everyone feels like, is this a silly question? Is this an overstepping question? And those types of things.
00:16:52
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And I find myself answering a ton out there. And now like I personally, this being my second journey, have had numerous people reach out for being on the intended parent aspect of it, wanting to be a surrogate, like yeah parents who want to pass the information along, like they're having, um, one of their kids was having fertility issues and wanted to let them know this was an option. Like I've talked to so many different people in their journeys and wanting to start families. And that's what I love.
00:17:18
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I love being able to talk to people, answer things. And some things people ask a question and you clarify or answer. And it's like, oh, I didn't know that. Like there was such a miscommunication where they just like assumed things or they didn't know. And I feel like that's a huge difference is just educating everyone.
00:17:35
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Yeah, yeah.
Community Support and Encouragement
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What about you, Madison? How has it been maybe navigating, you know, just the the questions that maybe family or friends, you know, from from the seat that you sit in um Honestly, i was pleasantly surprised at how quickly everyone jumped on and were like, cool. okay My whole family, my mom was like, awesome. My dad's like, great. We're glad that you're going to live through this experience. because I was going to say, yeah.
00:18:04
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Because again, it was back to back with this horrible other thing that was happening. So, um and my grandmother, because I, okay, so I called my grandmother and I wasn't sure because you're a different generation, right? yeah I was so nervous to tell her and she's like, she's like, Madison, there's so many ways to have a family. And I was like, fuck.
00:18:23
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It was so sweet, but it felt like, I was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe she said that line. Cause that's like, that's a line, right. That I've heard so many times. and I was like, okay, modern grandma. So, um, it's been, i mean, pretty seamless. I think my close friends are the ones that just had the most, you know, the most questions because they felt that they could ask me. So they're like, okay, so like, where did you find her? And when can we meet her? And like, I'm Like, and like, so they, they like, can we add her to the group chat?
00:18:55
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like I'm like, yes I was like, I have my own chat with Jessie. Right. Like, like calm down. Right. Yeah. I don't want to bombard her with like 12 people on a group chat. Um, but, uh, yeah, I think it's been a really fun.
00:19:10
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um I think that the craziest part of the process was that when I was doing IVF, like two other of my really close friends were doing IVF. And then um a whole, like I'm part of like this larger kind of women's in business group and like a bunch of them were also doing IVF like at the same time. And I was like, this is like our periods are sinking. Like what's going on? Why is everyone doing it? And so I felt like, you know, it was a safe space to kind of talk about all these things that we were all able to kind of help each other through the very difficult process of like, IBF and waiting for the egg retrieval and like the egg retrieval results and all that stuff. We could really talk through these things because we were all going through it versus it just being like me or like my one friend or like the isolated. that makes sense.
00:19:58
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00:20:19
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00:20:31
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It's a big decision and it's okay to have questions. This is your invitation to find out more. All right, let's get back to the show. And I think that that's one of the things that is so great about being open about your journey, being willing to answer questions, you know, just all of those things, because like you said, Madison, it was like, oh, I had this one friend, then this one friend. And now all of a sudden it's like, oh no, there's like a whole community of people or Jesse, it was my coworker's wife. And now all of a sudden it's this whole community of yeah People and it really for something that is one in six, it feels as if this is, it can be isolating.
00:21:14
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People are, they don't know because no one's talking about it. Yeah. And I feel like people are scared to ask too. Like if they see you going through it, like at first, like I feel like you have to almost like open the door and like, I'm an open book. And like the second you start sharing information, then people will be like, oh, one thing I've always wondered. And then, you know what i mean? That kind of like opens the door. So I do feel like just being open because so many people think that, and to a lot of people, it is a very vulnerable and emotional journey. for everyone involved. So I think it's just that opening the door to be like, I don't care, ask me. Like I might be able to come up with an answer. Have you, have either of you had to navigate maybe negative comments or unkind questions?
00:21:56
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Um, so far, no. good I haven't had any negativity. i have had because I just started putting this up publicly, right? And so I have had like women come into my dms and like like talk about like people i don't know talk about like hey you know we lost all of our our eggs and all the being very vulnerable like about how hard their journey has been and how like devastating it is and they're like we're thinking about surrogacy and we saw your video and i was not expecting many couples who are going through
00:22:36
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a much harder journey than we have like to be very, very honest, right? We've had our own hard medical journey, but the IVF surrogacy thing has been not as hard as so many people have gone through. Right. yeah Um, I was not expecting given that all of our content has been so joyful for people who are in the middle of like pain to reach out or feel safe reaching out. Um, and that made me very happy because I was like,
00:22:58
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Yes, I have resources. Here's my booklet resources. Yes. Yes. So, No, I love that. But I love that you are bringing the joy and there are people that are reaching out because I think it is so easy to, it's the Lifetime movies. It's, It's the headlines. and you know that's That's the stuff that, you know, where a lot of people will get their initial information.
00:23:23
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and in fact, actually, it's really joyful. Like you can have a journey like this where it's nothing but, you know, bestie vibes and giggles all day. And yeah, yeah absolutely. What about you, Jessie? Have you had to navigate any, you know, just maybe negativity at all?
00:23:42
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You know, I won't say negativity just because I'm not met with a lot of that. um Because I feel like so much of it can be explained in an educational resource. A lot of negativity comes from a place of not being properly educated in subjects. And so I feel like I wouldn't say that I've been met with negativity, but I mean, but the heaviness of what this is and what we're doing. Because like you said, there are these amazing stories like were having or my first journey, like they're so special to me and they're a huge part of who I am. But there is the heaviness of people sharing that they were, you know, in a different situation or it wasn't that for them or, you know, random strangers. Like, I'll never forget this one time we were in Walmart and this woman came up and literally touched my belly and my husband's like waiting for the like,
00:24:30
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stranger danger, what do we do type thing. And she was I always wanted to be a mom. And she's like, it never took place. And she just expressed to me like all these losses. And then she went a route of trying to adopt. And then that didn't work out for her either.
00:24:45
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And just more heartache and just hurt and stuff.
Building Relationships Beyond Surrogacy
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And so, you know, she just like was literally drawn like physically and, you know, emotionally and just like put her hands and I literally left there crying. I was like, I don't know this woman. I don't know her story, but like, She felt like that, like once she knew that we opened the door and was like, oh yeah, like it's not ours. Like, cause my kids very bluntly will be like, we're not keeping it. And so it opened door for people who aren't in the circle to be like, um, what's happening here? And we have to be like, we're a surrogate. It's not our baby. We're babysitting.
00:25:22
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And so, you know, she just like immediately then was like, oh my gosh, I always wanted to be a mom and like opened up to me and I'm like crying and I'm like, what a weird, crazy interaction. I just came for bananas. You know what I mean? Like people are just so emotional when it comes to this because it is such a heavy and emotional thing sometimes. yeah But again, i think much more common than I think people really are aware of. And the fact that, you know, like Jesse, you are willing to take the extra five minutes and explain, you know, what the kiddos mean when we say we're not keeping it And, you know, like Madison, you are willing to, you know, put out the journey in a public way and, you know, being vulnerable. it it does kind of give people the freedom to be like, I'm not alone. And that feels so, so good. Maybe like for someone early in the process, maybe they've just matched or they're waiting on transfer or, you know, just something like that.
00:26:20
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What would you say to them about enjoying the journey maybe versus just
00:26:29
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being overtaken by fear or anxiety or or worry? um I would say because yeah, for I guess like the first three months of like including IVF and like the transfer, right? hu It was just, you know, it it it was like nerve wracking. I think that was like what I felt like less scared and more just like, like, is this going to work? It's unknown. It's like so unknown. And you're just like, okay, like I'm hoping, like we talked about this all the time. Like I hope our science experiment, like, you know, sprouts the waiting, waiting for the, like the thing to grow out of the pot. Right. Um, I think for us, I mean, again, prayer is a big thing for us. So we were just like constantly being like, um,
00:27:16
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You know, there's that verse that talks about like God giving you peace that passes understanding. And we like kept going back to that verse cause i was just like, there is just no way for me to earthly grasp this or or process this. Right. um And then, you know, the day at a time thing is probably.
00:27:36
Speaker
It's probably the biggest application of take it a day at a time that I've ever been in because you just can't get ahead of it, right? And also, i think just like leaning into the relationship, like with your DC, right? Because no matter what happens, like,
00:27:53
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what an amazing person that like signed up to like, dude, like this is like probably one of the best humans you will ever meet, right? And just like pouring into that.
00:28:04
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um I think you and I talked about that at the beginning, Jesse, and I think I put it in the first video where it's like, whatever happens, like I feel so blessed to have just had this month even, right? Cause you know, it's rare that you come across such like a beautiful example of humanity, like if you're experiencing it, you're like, wow, people can be awesome.
00:28:24
Speaker
Yeah. So, yeah. Just not – just, like, leaning into that aspect because the relationship is, like, a huge part of this process. It's not just the pregnancy, right, and the delivery. Yeah. Tell me a little bit more about, like, what you mean by that.
00:28:38
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I mean, i would –
00:28:42
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I think Jessie sends me a bump picture like every two weeks and like, you know, we have four Marco Polo conversations a day about non-pregnancy, right? um And so, and I know like, I'm not saying like we don't talk about the pregnancy, obviously, because I'm like checking on her, making sure she's okay. I know she's going through this on her own and I'm not like oblivious to the fact that this happening for her 24 seven. right but It's just, it it seems like it's a very small part of our relationship at this point. Cause I'm just like, I have this new friend and like what happened at school today? And here's what happened with my cat. And like, here's what happened at the gym. And and it's just been such an unexpected gift because I wasn't expecting to get like a really close friend out of this. And so I'm like, what a surprise.
00:29:26
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It's like, awesome me. But I think that's beautiful because I mean, i think it it can, it can almost, if you're only ever asking about, you know, the pregnancy, it can almost, you know, just feel like, well, okay, that's, that's the full basis of, of our relationship. But you guys have taken it a step further and it is the, you know,
00:29:49
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here's what I'm cooking for dinner tonight. Oh my gosh, you'll never believe what my coworker just did or, you know, just what whatever it may be. So no, I think that's, I think that's absolutely beautiful. And I love that that has been such a priority for the both of you to pour into each other and build that relationship beyond, you know, just the, the original purpose as to why you guys, you know, have been, have been matched and are in each other's worlds. What about you, Jesse? Why, you know Tell me a little bit more about the relationship aspect and you know just the just all of
00:30:24
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that part for us, like exactly what she said, like sometimes like our, our commonality we have is, Oh, we're having a baby together, guys. We're joined because of this baby. But like she said, like the other day we were talking about random things, like the weather that led into like parking under a tree and like bird poop being a discussion and like Matt coming on the phone and was like, no, exactly what you mean. Like, then we're all just talking and my husband's like, ah it's so different. Like it's special in its own way, but it's so different. My husband's just like cracking up and me he's like, I love that you guys are talking on the phone right now about random stuff. Like yeah there was the one day we were sitting there and we were talking and my husband is not Marco Polo friendly. I don't think he knows even anything about this app. And we're just sitting there talking to him like sitting at the table with me and my kids and we're doing our thing. Cause the kids are like,
00:31:16
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let's talk to Madison, let's put on Madison TVs. So like we're sitting there doing our usual routine and chatting it up. And my husband's like flexing in the camera. And I look at him and i was like, we're talking to Madison, what are you doing? And he was like, they could see that. I was like, yeah, we're on mar like the kids are like, it's Marco Polo. Like we're talking to him.
00:31:35
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it's It's like that dynamic. Like we're literally just sitting in the kitchen. The kids are doing their thing and Jake's doing his. And it's like, like our families, like that's nothing. Like that's just our evening routine now.
00:31:46
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Yeah. Yeah. It feels weird. I can feel if, they especially over the weekend, cause we don't usually talk that much over the weekend. Cause I'm like, I know she needs like her, like resting time from crazy school. and But on Monday, i'm like, feel like haven't talked to Jessie in so long. And I'll look at it and been like one day. what Like just been so long. And now it, but she always also messages me right after school. And so I always am expecting, like when I have my snack, I'm like, okay, like where is Jessie? Yeah. is go i am like
00:32:21
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I love it. I love it. But I think, again, that's something just the the pouring into each other and valuing that relationship. It can make a journey that can possibly be filled with.
00:32:35
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anxiety and fear and, you know, and it's so unknown and you're waiting with bated breath for, you know, the next test or the next appointment or, you know, things like that.
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00:32:45
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And it just makes it just, you have, you have somebody with you on that same journey.
00:32:51
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And that just feels like, again, that community aspect of it. It's been wonderful. I will say, like, i was pretty aware at the at the very start because everything was so, like, bestie and joyful. i was like, i need to let her know that I want her to be transparent with, if there's, if if she's uncomfortable, like, what the bad, right? Because I'm like, I know, you know, pro-pregnant person, right? But also pregnancy is hard. And so I didn't want the fact that we were just so up here, right, to make her feel like she could
00:33:23
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couldn't say when she was, you know, having headaches or like, you know, the shots are hard or like that kind of thing. Cause that is the one caveat of that kind of relationship. But she feels like, oh i don't want to like ruin the vibe.
00:33:34
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Right. yeah Um, so that has definitely, I'm like, please tell me so that I know. Right. Yeah, Sure. sure Jessie, for women that are, you know, that are considering surrogacy or maybe they're at the beginning of that matching process, what, after having, you know, two journeys and, well, in the midst of our second journey, what advice would you want to give them just sitting in the seat that you're in right now? um I would say personable as possible and be vulnerable. I know...
00:34:12
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like I said earlier, it was hard, like talking about yourself, like raving. It seems like, you know, sometimes just like, how do you talk about yourself in like a humbling way? Because like the person that I am would never just like, these are all the cool things I've done guys. And so,
00:34:27
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For me, like talking to my husband, like, what do I put on there? Like, I like, it was like, I'd never met me before. I was like, do I have hobbies? Like, i I don't even know. That is the worst question ever. I'm like, no, I don't have hobbies. And now I feel like inferior. My kids the other day when I asked that, I was like, do I have hobbies? And they're like, you read a lot of books and you like to nap. i was like, cool, guys. Cool.
00:34:52
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So it's just like that moment of like, just put yourself out there because I feel like the first time I was so scared, like, what if they don't like me? And it's not what if they don't like me, but like, it's okay to not be everyone's person because then you have these matches like me and Madison where I felt like, oh my gosh, this is it. Like I knew the exact moment. I was like, i cannot wait. Like she said, waiting to have that cell phone number and just be able to continue our relationship.
00:35:18
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And I feel like the more you put of yourself out there, like the more that that will be reflected back, like with me being honest about like my faith and like feeling that this is my ministry. I joke around with my friends and say, you know, like my vow to go forth and multiply, I take that very serious, full job. And so for me, that's a huge aspect. Like i was like, my kids have always been firm believers and families come in every shape and size and get here any way they can. And so I love sharing that, like, and I love that my kids know that and doing it like, and watching it through their eyes as well.
00:35:56
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And like my students and the kids in the school, like that's my favorite part. because now like we're not just studying genes and what is it the um the squares with genetics and stuff oh we're asking questions like well what's miss dummett doing down the hall or what's miss jesse doing down the hall you know like they want to ask those questions like so how did you know like they're like it's there like they're understanding it and i feel like that's where the door gets open and like the kids will say well like sometimes other people can have your babies. Look at Miss Jessie and stuff like that. Like they have these moments where they get it and they can explain it. And I feel like that's special to me. Like that's why I do it. And so including that on there, like that, I'm very transparent. My kids are very involved. I wanted someone who's going to ask like, how was so-and-so's day or, oh my gosh, the kids want to see an ultrasound picture. the classroom kids want to see an ultrasound picture. Like I think that's important to say like, that's what I'm looking for in my journey, my end.
00:36:58
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Hmm. What an impact. yeah No, but really what an impact. I've always said, I feel like there's, there can be so much worry from, you know, parents about like, you know, how, how are we going to tell this story? Or like, I know I remember i it was one, maybe my parents or my sister or something. And they were like, what, how are, how are going to tell the kids? I'm like,
00:37:20
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I'm gonna just tell them. yeah and And they were like, I remember it was my eldest. I was like, okay, so so I'm pregnant, but um but the baby's gonna go you know be with their mom and dad. And she was like, okay.
00:37:34
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And like went on. Yeah, they make it so simple. Yeah. Like I get it. Thanks for roping me in. Yeah. Like, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah. No, I love it. I love it. Madison, we are, we're in those final weeks.
00:37:52
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We like nurseries getting ready. We've got all of those things. What are you looking forward to? Besides the obvious. I was like the child, my offspring coming into the world. Your offspring coming into the world.
00:38:08
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Yeah, i I think I was telling someone this the other day. I'm obviously so excited to meet this child, but I am like... really excited for Jessie's kids to meet the baby, right? And that's like, I am so looking forward to that moment because I love them and they are like the sweetest children. And I know that they're gonna like lose their minds. And I just, i have been so blessed watching this baby be like so loved on. Cause we're like not in the same state. We're very far away. Right. And I'm like, I feel so just like,
00:38:48
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I trust them. And I know that that baby is loved, right? Just from the get-go. And I'm like, I cannot wait to see them meet the baby because I know they're going to lose their mind.
00:39:00
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No, a hundred percent. But if I mean, yes, it feels so good to see your baby being loved. Yes. Yes. I'm like, oh my gosh. And then, you know, the baby's going to get here and that he already has like little cousins. I'm just like so excited for that moment, honestly. Other than, you know, you know, holding...
00:39:16
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holding the child, right? Oh, yeah. um But I still can't get my mind super wrapped around that yet. And so the thing I can get my mind wrapped around is just seeing her kids and their reaction. so that's what I'm looking forward to.
00:39:30
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I love that. I love that. Jessie, what do you hope Madison remembers about this season years from now?
00:39:40
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When you think about a delivery day? It does go by so fast. And so just enjoy every season you're in. And you probably don't not like Matt. You're probably just tired and need a snack.
00:39:51
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And that's important to remember in the beginning. It's very important. And that was the hardest thing is just feeling like, like they're all so special, even the hardest moments of parenthood, like they're special. And so you remember, like, I remember being like, Oh, I remember when I just had, you know, my first kiddo in my belly and was able to lay on the couch and feel their little kicks. And then the second one, you know, it's chowing down a granola bar, chasing a toddler and be like, oh, is that a kick? What's happening? And then third one, it goes even faster. And so being able to just stay in these bubbles. And I always tell her that, like, I love being in this bubble with you because, you know, shopping for little outfits or other people being excited, you know, watching your siblings say things that are like, oh, my gosh, you're going to be an uncle. Like, there's so much right now in this bubble that is just, you know,
00:40:46
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amazing and I get to see little snippets of it and I feel so privy to have that. Yes. i love that. I love that. We'll get right back to the show. But real quick, if you're dreaming of growing your family through egg donation or surrogacy, we'd love to help.
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00:41:27
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You don't have to navigate this journey alone. We're here to walk it with you. All right, let's get back to the show. If Baby Boy were to listen to this one day, what would you want him to know about how intentionally and just joyfully that he was brought into this world?
00:41:48
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I mean, he's going to see the vlog. I love it. I love it.
00:41:58
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I love that I got, like, I was trying to figure out like how to live do all these reactions, right? Cause I'm like, I just like,
00:42:09
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if I just wanted people to see the live reaction. Cause I'm like, I know he's going watch this at some point. And I wish I had seen my mom's reactions for all these things. And so I worked for days on like how to get all those cameras working, like all the lighting. I was like, I am going to get all these things. And so especially the one we just put up about like, you know, we're pregnant, like, yeah and that I was able to have Jesse's video of her reaction to her being pregnant, like next to me watching the video. I was like, to give me my Academy Award.
00:42:40
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I'm like a brilliant director. get it. I'm a movie producer. I just, yeah. um So he can watch it, right? um And he'll see all of the good stuff, right? And we have like hundreds of Marco Polos, right?
00:42:55
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On my phone that he can, you know, see when we were, my gosh, Jesse, you remember when we were talking about We had this whole thing about baby ciabatta for so long. And then Matt, Matt, like gave this lecture on what he had learned about ciabatta. And he's like, did you know ciabatta was only created in the 1940s by someone who wanted to like repatriate bread to
Challenges in Explaining Surrogacy
00:43:18
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Italy. And I was like, I'm so glad I got this on camera. um and so yeah the other thing i'd want him to know is just like stop kicking jesse so hard he's just been like oh no literally he's gonna be like she didn't even like it when i kicked her all the time i've literally been like trying to be like baby like literally read the room because like keeping her up at night and you know kicking her i'm like can we can we stop torturing jesse i love it
00:43:46
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I love it. I love it. She's going to be like a soccer star and it'll be like, and here we go. And and this was the origin. the signs were there all along, guys. The signs were there. Yeah. And we even have, we have the footage of, which we I haven't put up, but we have the footage of like the 20 week sonogram and like us seeing his hands for the first time and like just everything I feel like I wanted to see of my parents like back in the day. Right. Yeah.
00:44:13
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But also with Jesse, which is awesome.
00:44:18
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I love it. But I love just like his story is, you know, again, his story is joy. And like you, I mean, the excitement that you have around, like, obviously you're wanting to capture these moments for you. But like you said, like, gosh, I wish I had known what mom and dad were like, you know, whenever these moments were happening. And now like, I get to share this with, with him later. And we get to like, go back and look at all of these things. And, And not forget because it's so crazy how you think in the moment, I would never forget this. And then you think like years down, you're like, wait, what, what was happening? Yeah. Right, right. There I go, but I was looking for, I was looking through the polos because i was looking for more content. I'm like, I completely forgot that that happened. And it was so funny. Right. And I'm so glad I went back through because if the moments aren't captured, it's just so easy to just forget, forget that moment. I just don't want to forget any part of this.
00:45:18
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It's been so wonderful. I am so happy. But I love it. there's so There's such joy. Gosh, baby boy, you are you are so wanted and loved and just pure just pure joy. Pure joy. No, I love it. I love it. Madison, is there any any advice that you would give to a potential intended parent or maybe an intended parent just starting out that maybe you wish you had?
00:45:45
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Um, I would just say ah same thing that Jesse said, honestly, is just like, be authentic, right? Um, because you, the best outcome is when you are transparent on the application. okay And you don't try to be.
00:46:04
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somebody else. I think we had the same kind of feeling initially where we were like, do we make ourselves sound cooler than we are? Like, um like are they even going to like us as we are?
00:46:16
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um And so I think just being confident in your story and who you are as a couple and that there is someone out there um that will match with you and be what you are looking for. And being very honest about everything at the get-go, right? All those really difficult questions. I love that there most of those are covered on the questionnaire, like the things that would be hard to talk about face-to-face, right? yeah Just be completely honest, um unlike on potentially dating profile where you're like, yeah, I'm six foot and I'm like five, seven, right? yeah
00:46:52
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um And then ah i think just a funny thing is like, be prepared for, I think the second half of the the journey, because I've had to like develop a spiel because obviously now that we are telling more people and more people outside of our intimate circle, you know, I meet people at the gym and they're like, oh, I heard you guys are pregnant. And they like that immediately there's like this whole confusion over their face because I'm not pregnant. right sure i struck you have to the further you get in the pregnancy baby's doing may and they're just like they do that like once over thing and it's just like utter confusion and i have to like give like a really fast 10 second spiel about like oh yeah and like i have this this illness and blah blah blah jesse and a period we have a carrier and just be prepared um for that because it gets harder and harder to explain as you get closer
00:47:48
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Sure, sure. I remember I talked to a mom. It was, i think it was Halloween. and like, she was, you know, going around um ah and with, you know, baby and first Halloween costume and everything. And and someone, you know, oh, how old is he? And, you know, it was like, he's, you know, two months old. And they looked at her and they were like you look really
00:48:10
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And yeah, and she was like, oh, no, I had a surrogate.
00:48:15
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Yeah, it's like stuff like that, that you don't think about, right? When you're talking to like the general public and not just like your family. And um I think and the only reason I say, you know, practice your spiel spiel is not just, it's not to make fun of it, but it's just to kind of,
00:48:32
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put a point on just make sure that you know that you're gonna get confronted with questions. You're gonna get in front of a probably awkward questions and always approach it with grace, right? um And just be like, just just be prepared that that's coming and prepare your reactions. you're not like offended or shocked or anything like that. Like you wanna give off the good energy and you wanna be like, you wanna give that education because what we want is for this to become,
00:49:02
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like a really cool normalized thing so that more parents like think of this as an option and more babies are born. Right. So yeah, that's my advice. And also ask your, ask your GC about baby stuff. Cause I'm in stroller like hell right now. Like what strollers do I get?
00:49:24
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I love it. I love it. No, that's perfect. Hey, yeah, she's a trusted individual in your circle. I think she can tell you which stroller to get. Yeah. So, yeah, it's been great.
00:49:37
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It's been really, like, really cool. I'm very, very fortunate to have experienced this. I'm just like, how did this even happen? So. I feel like that's like on the flip side of like the surrogate thing. I totally feel that moment because I remember my kids wanted to go to a water park two weeks postpartum.
00:49:55
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Sure. I'm sleeping through the night. Things are great, but I definitely still have my like little baby belly. I had a baby two weeks ago and instead of walking around with a newborn advertising, like, Hey, I just did this. You know, I told my husband, I said, I'm not sad that baby's not here, but it's so weird because it's public. And to try to explain to people, like, if you aren't in our circle, it's like it didn't happen to you. Because, like, yeah I'm not walking around with it in my hands. You know what i mean With it. Just, like, the little thing. but Where's the baby? That's what I told Jake. I was like, I didn't think it was hard to say goodbye. I was so excited to watch them be parents with my IPs and getting the updates of them doing walks and grocery shopping. And, like, like,
00:50:38
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Being up all night and being exhausted. I loved getting those pictures. And I told my husband, they didn't make me sad. They made me happy. But going out into the world and feeling like so vulnerable because I just had a baby. it was weird that like if you weren't in our circle, it's like it didn't happen. And for me, it was such a huge part of something that had just happened.
00:50:56
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Yeah. So that was definitely something that took some adjusting too, was just being like, I feel like I'm just going to walk around with a sign like, I just gave birth. Like for the
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00:51:06
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longest time. Because you're just so emotional and vulnerable.
00:51:10
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But you're so right. For so long, it is, I mean, like you said, it's a huge part of your life. It's, you know, like, yeah, you're... you're carrying a baby, your body is, you know, obviously like ah going through a lot physically, just, you know, all of those things. And then, yeah, you come from home from the hospital and life keeps going. Everyone wants dinner. They want to go to the water park. They, you know, that kind of thing. And it is such an adjustment to have done something so big. And then, yeah, yeah you're looking around and you're like,
00:51:39
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Okay. Yeah. And there we go. When you were talking, like, I know you said you you just, you felt vulnerable. how did you kind of navigate through those feelings? Cause yeah, it's not, I'm sad because the baby's not here. It's just,
00:51:56
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this is a new reality post this big thing. For me, it's it's amazing and it's special in its own way. And I guess everyone prepares you for being if that was me, I'd be so sad and heartbroken. I couldn't give that baby away. And I'm like, it's not mine.
00:52:10
Speaker
Not giving it away, giving back. my I got to hold it for like nine whole months, guys. And also with my last one, um my last surrogate journey, it was a rough labor. And I remember looking at the parents and going, it's going to be a minute till I want to talk to her. Like, can't wait to come see her, but we need some space. that was I want to her. Thank you. I literally need a nap before I even come in there, guys. That was crazy. Yes.
00:52:37
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And so I felt like, you know, they left the hospital, we left the hospital, everyone was like, I couldn't do that. And I was like, dude, I went home and took like a six hour nap, like crashed. I couldn't do that with my own children. I had to keep something alive. Like, it was awesome. And the best part that no one thinks about, I was the baby for weeks. Everyone came to see me. I got the smile and treats. There was no baby to compete with.
00:53:06
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Baby, it's stealing my thunder. I love it. And so everyone was like, oh, that must have been hard. I was like, it was pretty cool. And like, I got to sleep whenever I wanted. I ate whenever I wanted. People brought us food. So great.
00:53:21
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It is. It's so great. And it's so like, it's so how everybody should be treated. Like, yeah. No, I it. know. It should be the norm, right? Yeah. you know Like, but what do you mean? Yeah, people, can I come over and help you and to just sit on your couch and hold the baby for a couple hours? It's like,
00:53:35
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Gee, thanks. That was very helpful, guys. I will say ah on the other, so on our side of that, right? Yeah. the I'm going back to that question you asked about like weird questions we've gotten. So the biggest weird question I've gotten is like,
00:53:52
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um So like how do you feel about, like like first of all how are you getting the baby? right and I'm like, Amazon. time da baby ah yeah And also, like basically, like do you do you still feel like the mom kind of situation, even though you're not caring? like That's a big one I get.
00:54:13
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Followed by, like ah how do you feel about just like you're gonna go and pick up the baby and you're all of a sudden gonna be mom right and it's like well i'm i am mom right it's like i'm mom right now like i'm i'm currently mom um it's been i saw one of your podcasts where one of the ladies that was on who was an intended parent it was like it feels like i'm getting a puppy Because it's so like, it's the only frame of reference I have. We have sure. sure yeah That's not a negative.
00:54:47
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Some of it feels like I feel like I'm getting a puppy. Right. I think it felt like that until the 20 weeks on a gram. Right. Because he had, he was no longer a blob that I couldn't distinguish, you know, the parts he had fingers. And he had like a leg and he was kicking her ruthlessly and we got to see him move. um And I started to feel, you know, all like the Grinch, the heart gets like really, really big. Right. I started to feel like there was like this pocket somewhere that was like sprouting love that I had. it
00:55:19
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There's like, there's love for like my family and like, I have my heart for Matt. And I was like, there was like a new thing that was like growing. Right. um And every other day I wake up and I'm like, I just, I so many feelings.
00:55:31
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I don't understand yet. Right. um And so I think for both of us, it's kind of that you you really understand like how much of this is like innate, right? Like Jesse is like, I love him like a like a nephew.
00:55:48
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right like love you from afar right yeah and I feel like you know i don't have him but I still feel like mom weirdly enough like i'm becoming mom and then when he gets here I'm sure it's just gonna be like I'm gonna lose my mind and be like oh my gosh have all the emotions right so it's a weird experience because it's disconnected like the two the pregnancy and the mom thing is disconnected right um but you still feel like mom and Jesse still feels like I love him. He's not mine. i have my amazing three kids. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I've always said the best way I could explain it was like the, you know, Jesse, like, right. Whenever people are like looking at you and like, you know, oh gosh, I could never like, that's just so sad. And I'm like, you No, no, no. happy ending was seeing them be parents. I'm not preparing.
00:56:37
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There is not a nursery. There is not a name. I'm not thinking about like, oh my gosh, I can't wait till you know this holiday or first birthday. or you know i'm not I'm not doing any of that.
00:56:51
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And then to your point, Madison, you are doing all of that. Yeah, you are You're making that nursery. You're thinking about names. You're you know, you're talking to you like your parents and OK, grandma, like, here we go. And, you know, just all of those things. And it does that. I feel like mental shift.
00:57:10
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does exactly what it is that we're supposed to be doing, right? Like as a surrogate, it's preparing you for this is the end of this chapter. And as a you know mom, it's like, okay, we're like this, not my my journey to mom has already started. And now we're about to go to the next step of mom.
00:57:29
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Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. I'm like, you, it's like, ah it feels like when you're running track and it's like handing the baton. I love it. Just like throw him at me and I'll take him home. I need to be like, it's been a minute.
00:57:44
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i need a water break. I need a water break. Oh my gosh. Yes. I love it. Well, you guys really, thank you so much for letting us just step into, you know, just this final trimester with you guys before, you know, just, we get to the big finish. I have one last question for you.
00:58:03
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I'm sure you guys know it's coming. But as you know, me and coffee, despite the fact that we are in the evening, we're still having coffee. um I always love to ask, what has filled your cup today?
00:58:17
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So literally or figuratively, what has been the thing that has filled your cup?
00:58:24
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I don't know. I've just been looking forward to this all week, honestly. Like I have just been wanting to share and that has... This filled my cup today because it's when you have something happening that's so joyful, you're like, how many people can I tell? And so the fact that we get to do this, like with the agency that made it all happen, like that literally, I've been like, it's 2 p.m. Okay. I have like two more hours, it's 3 p.m. I have like two more hours. Oh, I love it. So yeah, for me, it just like this whole experience has just been awesome.
00:58:55
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So. I'm the exact same way because I literally, so we had a ball game tonight and I was like, hi guys, I'm only staying for the first half and then I'm going to you know, do this podcast. And everyone's like, you're doing a podcast? What are you doing a podcast on?
00:59:09
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Like I have this secret identity. and Like, you don't know? No. And irish I was like, you know, for the surrogacy thing, you' like, are you going to talk about like everything you're doing? I'm like, yeah, that's like the whole basis of it. yeah Mom's joining me and we're just going to talk about like her side of it my side of it, our side of it. Like it's a whole thing. And everyone's like, well, I want to tune in because I ask you so many questions, but like I can't see what other questions are out there. Like there's more information to know.
00:59:39
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Yes. Yes. No, I love that. This is exactly why we share these stories so that no one is feeling either. No one is feeling alone as they're creating their family. Or if you do have questions like here, come listen, come hear people.
00:59:54
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Cause everyone's story is different. Like everyone, every baby is born differently. Every baby is brought into the world differently. Like that's their story. The same thing. Like I can tell my side of the story all day long and Madison can tell hers, but like, That's my favorite part is when they start becoming the same story in some parts and then interwave with each other. Like, and these two families being brought together. It's absolutely my favorite part.
01:00:18
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I love it. I love it. Well, thank you guys so much. Thank you for just the joy that you are bringing. i am so glad that, it you know, just, I'm just so glad about everything because you guys really, I mean, bestie vibes all the way at 100%, but truly, I mean, you guys are bringing such sunshine and glitter and happiness to, you know something that in mainstream can feel so um headlining and weird and, you know, can have so much um just misunderstanding. And I love just, I'm so grateful for y'all's vulnerability and willingness to to share. And I am just sending all of the easy labor vibes, yeah all of the just just good,
01:01:08
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happiness, glitter, all of the things. So yes, we want an easy labor for Jesse. Yes. That would be great. perless it's easy We all just show up to the hospital pick baby app. That's the ideal plan.
01:01:20
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yeah I love it. I love it. I love it. All the, all the good sleep vibes, all of it, all of it. pray for us face her knee specifically I'll make it through. We'll be fine.
01:01:30
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but It's going to be great. It's going to be great. I love it. I love it. Well, thank you guys so much. thank