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Episode 23: Top 10 games of All Time with Ingrid
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Ingrid joins us to count down the greatest games of all time!
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
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Music
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Hello and welcome to a very special episode of Mate Let's Play for two reasons. The first being that this is episode two of our top 20 games of all time, meaning it is numbers 10 to one. So the most important list, but also the most important reason why it's a special episode is we are joined by someone who we have remarked on multiple occasions is our only person who listens.
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Welcome Ingrid. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me. Or should I say kind
Guest's Gaming Background
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of coercing me? Yes. that No, very happy to be here.
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And um i feel I feel like we are very much privileged to have an established university graduate. this then Yes, I'm very pleased to be finished with all of that. That severely cut into my game time. I did, I know that. know that. And I felt it too, personally.
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universities need to take more, ah have more understanding about people's hobbies. when they Absolutely. and i see yeah this Agreed. um I thought you would have done your thesis on some sort of board game equivalence to whatever you were studying. Unfortunately, there's not a great deal of intersection between board games and migration law. Possibly
Recent Gaming Experiences
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one of the most boring topics there is. Puerto Rico? The dark history of immigration.
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Yeah. So yes, we are here to count down our top 10 games of all time, which will be hopefully we'll dig into why these games mean so much to us and whatnot. But before we get started, does anyone have anything just quickly off the bat that they've been playing that sort of caught their eye over the last week or so?
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My re-entry back into ballgaming, hopefully much more frequently, last weekend was at Game Day in Brisbane and finally got to play Clans of Caledonia on the table. That was really special.
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yeah Nice. Such a good game. It is a really good game. Outstanding. it's f but BGA do a good version of it. However, I think the live play is better. i don't know if you felt that, Ingrid.
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Yes. I fumble when I play bit on BGA. I'm like, yep, I'm just going to put here, here, here, here. Then I'm going to sell here, buy here. And I absolutely... I do not score very well.
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However, in a live game, and I was taught that by death at your birthday party, Steve, many, many years ago. yeah. Memorable for many reasons, aren't they?
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It was it so much better, at that live game. So... How did you feel the live game went when you played it? I always find with and the difference between BGA and a game on the table, not so much light to medium games, but heavier games I much prefer on the table because you really need to just sit and invest and think and plan. And BGA for me, I just sit down and go, oh, got some turns, and I just click, click, click. And I don't really invest and I don't really that whole competitive thing.
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is it doesn't feel like a real game on BGA whereas on the table i'm like this is real I want to win I'm going to plan this out and and get my best result so yeah I do prefer it on the table you're not competitive at all are you no oh no no no no ah well I keep it well hidden let's just say I've just outed myself funny you mentioned that about BGA because I'm playing a game of Azul at the moment and every now and again I'll have a game of Azul going. And about two months ago, I signed up to the board gaing well World Series of Board Gaming BGA group and they're running tournaments and the winner of the overall tournament gets free entry to the World Series of Board Gaming next year. I'm like, oh yeah, I'll throw my hat in the ring knowing full well that I am not anywhere near that kind of level.
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But I'm in the Azul tournament and I was about four or five turns into this game Azul before I realised it was the Azul tournament one. So now when that game comes up, I'm like, all right, I actually have to think about this. Like I have to look at everyone else's board and I actually have to pay attention to what's going on, which you would do in a live game, but you wouldn't do necessarily on BGA. So I don't think I'm winning the first round either. So I think that that dream of winning my way all the way to Vegas is already over and we're not even finished the first round.
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so I wonder if we'll hear about Azul in someone's top 10. ha
Board Game Strategies and Tournaments
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However, if you're not playing me in Azul, Steve, you're going nowhere, where mate. Oh, I'm well aware of that. You've got to be an absolute arsehole.
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There were certain times where i'm like, oh, I really want those cubes, but they're not going to be there i on my next turn. They're not going to be that silly to leave me them. And then like I'm like, ooh. i've I've got all the reds already. So that's good.
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But we'll see where that leaves me. I was going to quickly just mention that my wife and my son and I finished Clink Legacy Season 2. Oh, well done. Which was pretty awesome. It was an epic day day of gaming on Sunday where we played the final three episodes of that. And, yeah, it was it was well worth the time. We all really enjoyed it. So just a shout out to Clank Legacy Season 2. Obviously, I can't talk about much of it because there's spoilers. But it's if you like Clank, if you like Acquisitions Incorporated, which I had no idea about, but... um
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Many people do, and they are extremely hilarious. So the the content on the cards is funny, the storyline is funny, but the gameplay is awesome. So that definitely well worth it. If it wasn't a legacy game, it would be in my top 20. Wow. you go.
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um I have played nothing this week. Absolutely nothing. um However, ah played a bit of BGA, so I'm not going to include that.
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I watched three how to play videos to have Vantage. So that is hitting the table tomorrow. Nice. I asked Lauren, would you like to join me in a game of Vantage to tomorrow?
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So I pointed out, she goes, no, don't Vantage. Surely she didn't say yes.
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She was out. And then I tried to explain it to her and she goes, oh God, no. So, and look, you both know, Lauren, it's not her game. It's not her game at all. um So I am going to play solo now, Vantage, and I hope that I can get the first round through.
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However, I did buy Civilution. um during the week. And just, I traded, like, I've never done this before. Like, I've been watching this guy on YouTube, FroggyFlips.
Top Board Games Discussion
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If you're not into it, start following this dude. He is, I think I mentioned it to you, Steve, during the week. But it is good. And normally I just throw so much shit away.
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But I ended up trading in my PS4 and a heap of PS4 games. this Civilution became free. for me. And normally would throw that in a bit.
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All those games I've bought. And Civilution looks brilliant. Looks absolutely. So Ingrid, Shane and Kev, we are playing it playing it together. That's our first game we're going to play. I'm going learn it with you. going to play it all together. Very keen.
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Yeah, it's looking like a massive euro. Heavy... It's a Feld, isn't it, too? It's a Feldian Civilization game. Yes. yeah One of the main reasons I want to play it.
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It is a 4.2, I think, isn't it? It is burgundy on steroids. Let's face it. it's It looks really good. well Is there going to be some Feld games mentioned tonight? i want Maybe. Oh, maybe. Maybe.
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I know. I did have Castles of Burgundy my 20 to 11, so and I will just spoiler. It is my highest Feld, so there's no Felds on my top 10.
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But I've got a feeling it might not have been the last time we hear about that game. We often mention something that's coming up on Game Found or Kickstarter or some news.
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um Lords Waterdeep. is being redone by Restoration Games. That's awesome. It is going to be awesome, yeah. Fantastic game. First worker placement game I played.
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And it's one of Lauren's favourites. We we pull out all the time. Ingrid, have you played Builds of Woodenick? Never played it. I'd like to try it, but at the same time, I'm thinking if it is a bit of a starter euro, will I be a bit underwhelmed by it?
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yeah I still play it. It's in my top 40 still. um It's and the, i think they're including the expansion in it. ah yeah And the expansion makes it really cool. So um like it brings corruption in and it you have to make these choices about taking stronger actions that may penalise you in the end game versus taking the weaker actions that won't. and yeah Yeah. Are they going to update the art?
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I hope so. Yeah. but The front of the box is horrible, right? but However, the cards in the game, and they're good. Such a good game.
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ill Definitely. and i love the whole idea of building out. building out the building so you're you're actually adding variation to what you can do in the game because the buildings are so different that they each give you another spot to go, give everyone on the board another spot to go. So every game has a different feel. It does.
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Oh, that does sound good. All right, put it on the list for a game that we'll have to play together. Yeah. I just have to update the box because that box was horrendous. and But the box doesn't fit in on a Calico shelf. Like, it's just terrible. Well, not even that, just the lid. The lid is this thick. Like, it doesn't yeah it doesn't go all the way. So, surely they'll fix those little problems. And the expansion, honestly, that massive box for what was only a few cards, it's just ridiculous.
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When I got the expansion, I threw out the original box lid because it had already busted by that stage. And so, my game is the bottom of the original and the expansion lid on top. Expansion lid.
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That worked out well then. Yeah. I just wanted to mention it because it it was such a cool news. And I think it made the board game hall of fame last year too. So good timing, like good way to advertise your game for sure.
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It's a good game. how do we want to do the order? or right Can we start with our guest, Devona? Absolutely. absolutely And then finish with you, Shane. You can round off the list at the end. How's that sound?
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Okay, sounds good. All right. All right. Well, number 10, Ingrid, what have you got for My number 10 is going to probably surprise you because as you know, I'm very much a Euro girl, but this is not a Euro.
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ah And it's just a good old fashioned dice chucking game. And it Zombicide. And we've only got, well, we have tried, we've got one of the expansions, I think the Toxic City Mall, but we just like the base game. We are just happy. When I say we, my partner's name is also Shane. So I probably will need to call you Mr. T, Shane.
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So it's it's probably the lowest ranked game on my list and it's the only cooperative game in my top 10. It doesn't get to the table that often, but when it does, we have an absolute blast.
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We've, Shane and I painted the minis. We always seem to play with same characters. So we've over time given them their own personalities, like Doug. Doug is just terrible. Amy always misses, just absolutely useless.
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And that it just comes down to me always throwing badly when I throw for Doug. But it's, yeah, it's it's great. We found that there aren't a lot of scenarios scenarios in the book that comes with the game. So I've downloaded a heap of other
Gaming Strategies and Styles
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scenarios and we've put them all in a sleeved booklet and everything. So I've got a really good selection of light, medium, heavy, depending on how much time we have to play it. And yes, Zombicide is a great fun game.
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i remember the last time I can't remember whose copy it was. i think it was at your house, Shane. But they had a whole bunch of bit black pi yeah well and they had a whole bunch of expansions or new characters. And I played with a character that was essentially Prince.
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And someone else was playing as Queen Elizabeth the second And I'm like, this is fantastic. Like, you've got Prince and a Queen. Like, you had it all going on. So and a lot of people say that's the game that they play just to sort of no one cares about the result, just throw it out and have a lot of fun. Is that how you see it?
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um we We like to really strategize. We think long and hard about, well, if I go around that way and you go that way, but you'll have to make a lot of noise. And so we do take it pretty seriously. And I don't like those, I can't remember what they're called, where at the end of the round, new new walkers and runners and fatties pop up in areas because they always spoil our plans. But we do plan it out a bit.
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But, you know, if if we lose, who cares? We had a good time along the way. nay Yeah, it's it's one of those games where you honestly leave your brain at the door. Yeah.
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Just have fun. Yeah. Just have fun, let it go. It's great game. All right, well, sticking with the no Euro theme, my number 10 is a big game, and I think it it's either the first or so the highest or the second highest amount of money I've spent on a game. Certainly the highest amount of money I've spent on a game that didn't include any expansions when I first bought it.
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but it is a game that was on my list for a couple of years and then it dropped a bit lower last year after a pretty bad play of it um that involved you, Shane, not because of you, but but you were there, mainly because I went down a dungeon and killed us all before we could actually get into the meat of the game.
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But I have played it a few times this year and ah it's rekindled its love for me and it's this beautiful big tower sitting in the middle of the table and it has returned to Duck Tower.
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It is a fantastic game. And while I say it's not a Euro, it does have a bit of planning and organization in your terms. Not a lot of luck. it It is a lot of resource management and it sort of has a bit of a gloomhaven-y feel and you know Isaac Childress is involved in it, so you can understand that. But that that there is a lot of important decisions it's not just a smash them all but yeah in the end there is a tower shooting out skulls and you're defeating monsters so you can't argue that it's a euro but uh definitely more than just your standard amerithrash game so yeah but it's a lot of fun i was so happy that the game itself was good after getting it and having this huge big battery powered tower that shone lights everywhere and you're using an ipad
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It could have very easy been very gimmicky, but it actually is an excellent game to play. So my number 10 is Return to Dark Tower. Look, it was very good. it was It's kind of like that disappointing date, you know.
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hey You've got all this hype about meeting someone and it's an awesome game or awesome person and then it just fizzles out really fast.
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And that's how it went. ae We were actually on the way to win. We were doing well. I felt so guilty. That's why i said like we could just carry on like that didn't happen. You guys were like, nah. like Now I feel bad because I brought this and it's not small and I brought it all the way down to Brisbane to play it with you guys and then I killed it.
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i will That's good. I look forward to playing it again hopefully it can change my mind.
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ah My number 10, the only board game that's broken our board game group of me, Phil, Pastor Nick.
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It's broken us.
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And it is such a good game though. We all love it. The four of us love it. We played it for a month back to back. However,
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I don't think of I've ever played a game where we're all going to flip a table because we were ready to kill each other. And that
Tactics and Competitive Gaming
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is Arcs. Arcs is brilliant.
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It is such a good game. um And for us to get to that point where we're ready to kill each other, you know i was a good game. Even for Pastor Mick. Pastor Mick is so calm.
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But he was so competitive in this game. And, yeah, it's brilliant. Arx is just one of the best, I don't know, card playing, trick taking, battle games that you can never come across.
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So it's going to, it's seriously, this will climb. And we will continue playing it because we are such a good group of board gamers together. That reminds me because that was, you were doing that when we first started this podcast, I think.
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And he kept coming back with the stories. And it was like, we had a great time. It was really fun to learn. And the next week, it wass like we were good. There couple of little ah arguments, we were fine. And then the next week, you're like, we decided not to play it for a while. Because everything erupted.
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Broke our game group. Is that from the same designer as Root? Yes. Yeah, it's Cole, Cole Whirly.
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Oh, yeah. So, Cole Whirly, you know, John Company, a stack of games that is done. But this one is just, it's in your face, honestly.
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You can't hold back. And the only way to play it is really, really super mean. So... Hence why you like it. I love it.
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All right, well, let's move on to number nine, Ingrid. Number nine. So get ready for a major run of Euros from here on out. I am a one-trick pony pretty much. um Actually, this one is probably more of a Euro hybrid, but it's a game that I don't actually even own, and I depend on Mr. T to bring.
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So I wonder if you can guess. Ooh, I reckon I've got an idea. Yes. yeah, now I know which one is. I'm guessing it's the one that maybe Shane mentioned last week about he always plays it with you.
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No, no, no, no, that's truly a Euro. No, this is a not 100% sitting in the Euro camp, I would say. It's from 2017.
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ah I'll tell you, The Godfather, Corleone's Empire. That is like such a fun game. So, well, I've only played it a handful of times, but they've been very memorable games.
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So This is a game that Lucky Phil really loves to pick on me. he loves Assassinate me as often as possible, send me into the Hudson River, swim with the fishers.
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I try not to take it personally. um he does that across multiple games, though, so i don't know what's going on there. But, yeah, it's it's a great game with the right group of people who enjoy a bit of take that.
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Great game, Ingrid, and I couldn't agree with more because – and I love playing this game with you guys, so – It is such a fun game. But you do. You do need to have the right people to play this game with because people can get very offended pretty quick.
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Yeah. Excellent. Yeah, especially when a certain person keeps getting the car bomb card over and over. Yeah, over and Yeah. Is the car bomb card equivalent to, like, the Loki strategy in Blood Rage?
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Oh, no, no, no, no. Okay. No, God, no. No. No. cut The car bomb card, you're pretty much wanting to clear out whoever else is in your region so that you can get get the territory at the end.
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So
Game Preferences and Storytelling
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you are literally putting 20 people in the Hudson River in one ball. ah very good That's how it can be.
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But it's such a good game. Yes, great choice, Ingrid. Well, for my number nine, i actually, earlier today, i was a bit excited about doing this episode. I won't lie. And I said to my wife and son, what would your like favorite games of all time be?
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And Raphael said that this was his favorite game of all time, which is Cthulhu Death May Die. Okay. Yes. yes Yes. I agree. Okay. Yeah. We've been playing, we played so many of it. We've actually done the thing that in so many other games we haven't done, which is we've got season one, two, three, and four and all the expansion bits that go with it. And we've played through them. Like we've played all of the modules. So we've mixed up the character. We've got like a character sheet about an inch thick now, like all the different ones that have come through. And, you know, we play in the most random episodes. I think I'm going back to the one,
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There's two. There was the ice cream truck that was poisoning the town. and So you had to make sure you saved the people, poisoning them by messing with their heads. So you had to make sure you saved them while also keeping them away from the ice cream truck so they didn't get poisoned again. and then But the the all-time one was...
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the the moose that you had to send into a spaceship and then explode them all. you It's just ridiculous. ah But so much fun. And just like the way they do comedy in that game,
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like It doesn't feel forced, but it just makes you laugh and giggle all the way through it while also making serious decisions and the idea of going more insane to get stronger. So there's this balance between how much do I push it and yeah how how much do I try and stay less insane?
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and And it just seems no matter what you play, whether you win or you lose, invariably it comes down to like it was always super tight at the end. So it's it's obviously very well played, tested and balanced as well. So yeah, lovely game, huge on the table. In fact, we are planning on playing it tomorrow morning. So yeah, Cthulhu Deathmany is my number nine.
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Did the absurdity in those scenarios come in a bit later? Because Shane and I have seasons one and two. I'm not sure if we've started any of season two yet, but they're very standard scenarios.
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Yeah, definitely. they get more invented later? dont yeah Donkey was in season two, wasn't it? Donkey's in season two. I can't honestly I can't remember the order because we were doing them in order and then so Raph got the box that had the birthday scenario and a couple of other ones and we just jumped to that and then we sort of sort of jumped around since then but yeah I think the first season was a lot tamer a lot more like a lot more but not believable it's not maybe believable is the right word but like a lot more
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Like you're reading a H.P. Lovecraft novel. Yeah, I'm a Lovecraftian. Yeah, yeah. Not just what can we do with this system kind of thing. Yeah. little bit like Zombicide, right? Like it gets crazier as you go further.
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Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Well, my number nine is probably the most aggressive game I play on BGA.
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Oh, i know what this is then. I am super mean in this game. I'm highly ranked and I just love playing it. And you know what?
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I don't hold back. I'm an absolute a-hole in this game. And my number nine is Azul. It is such the prettiest game.
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It is pretty. It's just such a pretty game. But
Themes and Mechanics in Gaming Experience
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who would have thought that pretty game could be an absolute see you next Tuesday of a game? It is. It is an absolute.
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You have to play it mean to win in this game. And ah ah i've I've won this game on 15 points.
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like Wow, because you just kept blocking everyone else. Yeah, I just kept being an absolute ass. Just everyone else. Just taking what they wanted. yep And you can win this game on very low points, or you can win this game on absolute high points, where I've actually got, I think i've scored one of my highest scores in this game, is ridiculously high score.
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However, that's probably not the way to play it. You can't play to try and win at a high score. You've got a play to win at a low score. So there's my biggest tip for you. If going play this in competition, play to win at a low score.
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And be mean. Super, super mean. Maybe you should be joining the World Series of Board Gaming. um And, you know, it's great.
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Azul, love it. Brilliant. Have you tried the dual version that's on BGA? No. you play You can play dual on normal Azul.
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Yeah, no, this quite good. It's the best way to play it. Yeah, look, I honestly play Azul at two-player games. a Okay. All right. Number eight. What have you got, Ingrid? All right. My number eight.
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It's the first of my Steffen Feld games in the in the list. The first of your Steffen Feld games. Yes. um This is one of the oldest games in my list too. It's from 2011. It's got a very interesting action selection, Mancala style, and it is Trajan.
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So you're moving pieces around your bowl on your player board and you take the action of where the final piece lands. So there's a lot of planning required to get to where you want, but you've also got to consider lining up your next turn or the turn after that even.
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So it's it's a typical field where there's lots of mini games on the board, you know, the point salad thing. So you might be tempted just to do one or two things, but it's a classic one where it's best to do a bit of everything.
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wouldn't say that the art is particularly interesting. It's not terrible, but it's just, it just works really well. I think it's very well balanced and i I always enjoy it.
00:27:42
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It is. It's good game. You liked it that day. I think we showed you around my place one time. yeah You told it to me. The art is terrible, but it's a good game.
00:27:54
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Yeah, that's my number good game. Excellent. and Well, my number eight, I describe this game as being right in the middle of my Venn diagram of ah being both a mad board gamer and also someone who loves to travel.
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And this game is also about a destination that I have traveled to multiple times and absolutely love, and that is Let's Go to Japan. Oh, wow. It's a new entry, is it?
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it Well, new entry in the top 10, yes. so Yes, yeah. It was as high as 17 and 24, so it was on its way up. But i just I just keep coming back to the game. I love it.
00:28:32
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I play this game very non-competitively and more just to try and organise a holiday that I'd want to take. So it has that feeling of...
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yeah Sure, the points might work out for me this way, but I'm not going to want to keep going back and forth from Kyoto to Tokyo. i want to plan it properly because I used to be a travel agent. so I was going to say, this is the travel agent of Steve.
00:28:56
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Yeah, but it's it's so it's so good. And I love the concept of the game. The guy had literally been planning a holiday to Japan and then it got COVID cancelled. So he was like, well, what am I going to do with those even all this information I have about Tokyo and Kyoto?
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I'll make a board game. So you you get that feeling. And since
Cultural Reflections in Gaming
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we play this game, There are things that I want to do when I go to Japan next that I'd never thought of actually doing because in the game, every card talks about something you could do. And then it gives you a bit of a blurb about the history of it or, you know where you can go to do these things. I'm like, yeah, I almost want this game to plan my next holiday to Japan. So...
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I love it. Let's go to let's go to France is coming soon. Yes. so That's more my style. yeah the The way the game plays, it's quite unique. You're building up your days of your holiday from Monday to Saturday. it's almost It's a planning game because once everyone's got their six days, you just run the holiday from Monday to Saturday. And what I love about it is on every day, you've got the highlight of the day, which is the last card on your stack.
00:29:59
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And I just love going through the day and go, oh I started off going to the markets. and then at is But the highlight of the day, it was clearly blah, blah, blah, whatever it is. It just gives you those same feelings of going on a holiday. So let's go to Japan.
00:30:13
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Great game. Would play at any time, including today when I set up another game on BGA. so Nice. Funny how that game came out at the same time as it became dirt cheap to go to Japan.
00:30:25
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wonder if they yeah i you they knew something. 2025 was the year of, yeah, everyone went to Japan, everyone I knew. m And ah I think I've only ever played it live once and I played it a stack of times on BGA. yeah And BGA is a good, it's a really good place to play it.
00:30:45
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So, and learn it as well. really easy to teach to because it makes sense right like if you're going to spend the day walking around the temple then you're going to burn some energy so although you might get some good things from seeing the temple you'll also go backwards on the on the exhaustion track or whatever yeah they call that so or if you want to go to like to stay in a capsule hotel that's a cheap option so then you'll get a bonus because you didn't spend as much points there's much money so yeah it's just cool love so many different things about it i love so nice
00:31:17
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Well, my number eight is controversial, very controversial.
00:31:24
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It um is my first Martin Wallace game in my top 10. Okay. Can anyone guess what might be? Controversial Martin Wallace game.
00:31:39
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I mean, well, firstly, I'm guessing it's not Ark Maupol because I'm assuming that's higher. Yeah, that's higher. London? No, controversial. Think controversial.
00:31:50
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Oh. so you're on Oh, Age of Steam. Age of Steam. Well done. I don't know. you mentioned Steam Power in the last list, so I thought maybe it was still an actual game. no. of Steam is just brilliant. And, Martin, you designed it well. This is your game.
00:32:06
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No matter what bullshit happened behind the scenes, it is your game. I love it. And... You know, it's it's
Games in Social Settings
00:32:16
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up there. I love the, you know, there' the share buying, all the economic ah economics of the game. You know, the map closes in on you. There's so many maps out there.
00:32:29
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So many maps. And they're holding conventions. Age of Steam conventions that people attend and play this game. So, Martin, well done, mate. You've designed one of the best games in board game history.
00:32:46
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Forget Brass. I think that.
00:32:51
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Honestly, age age Age of Steam is age seems better than Brass. Brass is not even anywhere in near my top 30. Both Brass and Age of Steam fell in my 21 to 30, so i I have them actually quite similar, but Age of Steam is, yeah, it's like the quintessential train game, right? Yeah.
00:33:10
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It's a quintessential Martin Wallace game. So, well done. My number eight, Age of Steam.
00:33:19
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All right. So my number seven, it's it's a a hero. It's a really great game. Better on the table, Lagrangia.
00:33:33
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Oh, yes. I know that this was a really, I remember one night teaching you this game over BGA, Steve, and I just thought you poor bastard having to try and learn this on BGA, but you did very, very well.
00:33:45
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um But yeah, it's it's great on the tape, especially the latest version with the Kickstarter upgrades. Very nice. It's got a stack of cards, a gazillion cards. So I find that really helps with the replayability because You know, the cards that you're picking up through that game will really change what your focus is each time. So you might in one game go hard on the buildings. Another game you might decide to become a pig farmer and and or you just go a varied farming contracts route. It's yeah, the games are are really different. Of course, you've got also the luck element with the dice being your actions or your resources. Other people can take that last one that you desperately needed and then you've got to you know, think of ah plan B. So it's economically really tight and you have to really watch where your money's going.
00:34:35
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But if you can get a good engine going, it is so satisfying. It's very beigey green. So would have liked it to have been it been a little bit more colourful. But no, I really like Lagrangia.
00:34:51
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It's funny. I've played this a few times with you on BGA. on bga And you did a great teach because i I am somewhat competitive when I play against you guys. ah But what's interesting is, and I'm interested to know whether this is the same for you when you play it, is that when you start up a game and you invite me, most of the time I'm like, oh, sure.
00:35:11
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And then like turns rounds one and two, I'm just clicking buttons. And then something clicks and I'm like, oh, hang on. I now remember what I need to do here and and i and i can it's all is not lost. i can still get into the game and be competitive. Is that how... you like i doubt that's how you play it, but I feel like it isn't a game that needs you to strategize from turn one.
00:35:33
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No, because it's very much you'll get a different card and then you'll think, oh, now I've got to... work around this. Each card has the different things that you can do with it as well. So you might really want it for the extra money or the extra pick space, but then it's got that delicious, you know, upgrade sort of extra power that you can do if you play it in your board. So it's always very different. I, i for some reason,
00:36:00
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Game rules, I will learn them one day and they will just slip on straight out of my head and a week later I'm having to reread rule books. So although we love Luserta games, they are a full like one hour relearn before we play. But for some reason, Lagrangian rules just stick.
00:36:19
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And I think it's just because everything just makes sense. It's a bit like Kanban. Actually, that's the one Luserta exception because it just makes sense. Yeah, yeah it it sticks. But yeah, it's it's just a terrific game. I'm surprised that it's not more talked about. ah You know, not more people are sort of talking about it or playing it.
00:36:41
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Give it a go. yeah Yeah, I'm actually keen to play the real version because, well, more accurately, your for Flash Kickstarter version because I actually found a copy of the old version and yeah you're right, it hasn't been hit with the color brush yet. So um it's hard to get to the table because I've got to get past that. But also, like my wife, that's not her. She's an artist. She needs the thing to look good too. So
Personal Gaming Stories and Interaction
00:37:09
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it just doesn't, it never hits the table in my house, but if I, I'd love to play a physical version on the table that looked as good as the gameplay is. So yeah. Yeah. and but Speaking of controversial games, my number seven new to the top 10 has been in my, it's been very close to the top 10 in the past, but it's the first time it's cracked the top 10. And the reason it's controversial is whenever I suggest a game of this in our BGA group,
00:37:38
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someone puts a middle finger emoji
00:37:43
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i did it today yeah and it happened again today and this game is obsession uh what a slow burner this game has been i played it i think the first time maybe back in 21 22 and i was like this is a cool game and played it a couple times and it was like it was funny we got into the theme and all the rest but Then I played it a few more times where I i was just playing the game and i'm like, no, this is actually really cool how you literally decide what action you're going to take and making sure you've got the right things to be able to do that action because what you get from that allows you to either get more actions, to purchase more actions, or just be able to meet the requirements to do actions later in the game. So there's actually quite a lot to balance as far as when you do things and
00:38:27
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what guests you're going to invite because they will impact what you can do as well. And it some of the best things about this game is when I first played it, whenever I got an American, I was always like, oh, useless. They're worth like negative three victory points. I don't want an American.
00:38:41
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because it's Victorian England and the English just hated Americans. Yeah, so like if if any American in the game is like, they could be like, oh, this is the daughter of a famous, you train company owner ah from Pittsburgh, negative three points. Like there's nothing negative about her except that she's the daughter of a train baron from Pittsburgh.
00:39:03
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um But she's the daughter of a train baron, so she brings a lot of money. So even though she's negative three victory points when you play, she might give you 800 And you're like £800, a lot of money.
00:39:14
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But then it affects your reputation. So therefore, you can't host certain events until your reputation goes up. So you've got to weigh that up. And I just like it's so easy and so well linked to the theme because you could just imagine...
00:39:28
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these uppity pompous British people going, well, don't want to go and have a cup of tea at that place. That was always full of Americans. Like, oh, I wouldn't want to do that. Like you could fully tell the story of why you are suffering and you can't run these events for people.
00:39:42
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But then as you get more prestigious, more more people want to come and see your place. And then there's a national holiday. So no one's working. So anyone will come on that day because there's... there's less there's more options there's less options because there's more people out and about it's just it's very cool um and i know shane loves it so i love talking about it more and more but obsession just one of the best uh link uh mechanism to theme link games i've played but ah even if you dislike the game shane you cannot argue that this is the best supported game by the designer i've never seen it this is the designer's one game
00:40:20
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And he is so involved with the community. He has come up with, people come up with random different ways to change the game or edit the game to so suit a certain thing. He will take those ideas on board, play test them a ton, and then bring out an official rules that matches that. So this is another option that you can play with. If you like this person and you like and you don't like this in a game, or if you like this in a game, but don't like this in a game, you can you can literally modify it however you want. so That's cool.
00:40:49
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Yeah, he he's he loves it. So, yeah, Dan Halligan is... you i don't know we'll ever design another game, but if this is all he does, that's okay. So my number seven is Obsession. Okay.
00:41:02
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Sorry, Shane. It's okay. that's forgot I have... Not so dear on Confluence. So... No, no, no, it's not. I'm not up there with that. However, i have the best expansion for this game.
00:41:16
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And I'll leave that when we turn the podcast off and I'll share that with you and Steve. So, and Shane and Steve, we will hear my expansion to obsession that we can never, ever share on a podcast.
00:41:31
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Oh, I'm intrigued. My number is seven. Um, it's my... i love this game. Um, Eric Lang.
00:41:45
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Blood Rage. It's that simple. Brilliant. Vikings. Fighting over territory. It's not my number one Eric Lang game. Far out, okay.
00:42:03
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Dropping some big hints here, I like it. I do love Blood Rage. Um... However, like ah as i I think I've won Blood Rage once, and then Helen has just... We taught Helen Blood Rage.
00:42:18
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The whole way through the game, she was complaining. That's the Helen race. Crushed us. Crushed us. And then every time I played Blood Rage with Helen, she has crushed us.
00:42:30
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She is brilliant at the game, so... It's awesome. I have a painted Blinked Out set that I painted myself. So how could I have it as my number seven? That's it.
00:42:43
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Fantastic. yeah All right. So number six. This is the only game in my top ten by an Italian duo whose games I love. And I wish we could jam 15 games into 10 because i love, well,
00:43:01
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well It's not the same combination of designers for all of these games, but Talitum, Tekinu, Teotihuacan, fantastic games. So Simon Luciani and Daniel Tashini, but you probably won't guess the game I'm talking about.
00:43:18
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I'm going to guess Sulkin. No, i love Sulkin as well. Marco Polo 2 in the service of the Khan.
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00:43:28
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This is a really good game. Really, really good. It's a good game. Really good game.
00:43:33
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Something just really clicks for me in this game. Again, this is another one of those games where i don't have to refresh my refresh on the rules. It just sticks in my brain. um It does have a terrible rule book, but it's once you've learned it it's just so elegant. If you have a plan and it doesn't work out because whatever it that space is now gone, you can pivot to something else.
00:43:57
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um I have played the first Marco Polo and I just I got frustrated in some places and I just I think that this second game fixes all of those problems and it's a better game.
00:44:10
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So yeah, that BGA implementation is fantastic as well. Never say no to a game. Oh yeah. Shall I send you an invite?
00:44:22
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but i mean I would need to relearn that game a lot before I joined you on PGA. and We've played it together, haven't we? Yes, we have. We played it at a game day.
00:44:33
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Yeah. And I really enjoyed it. It was at your house, I believe. No, I think it was at a game day at Royal on the Park. Okay. um I loved it. So, yeah really good game. And the way you taught it was awesome as well. so Thank you.
00:44:50
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well need number series Sorry, my number six is the smallest game on my top 10. In fact, it's essentially a deck of cards and some poker chips. And that is Cooperative Poker the Game, the gang.
00:45:06
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so Really? You're six? Yeah, I love this game. i would play this any time. a There are certain groups that this game really sings with, and not because we win, but just I love playing this with people who know how to play poker because it it it melts their brains in ways that...
00:45:26
Speaker
It shouldn't. Like, poker players should be able to figure this out, but they can't get past the idea that you've got to be secretive in poker. So in this, it's a cooperative game. So you're trying to work with the or other people, and it's just watching them melt their brains over that idea and not understand how to give the right clues, but then eventually getting there and just... the I've never seen game that gives you so many high five moments when you get the order right, when you're playing with six people and you get the order right for the third time, you're just like, my God, we finally bloody did this game. remember once we played this and you were involved, Shane.
00:46:04
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We played this at the at the community place. And we had six people in and we just kept on winning two. and then we had to win one more to win because you've got to win three out of five. And we kept on losing and losing. And you just, after a good hour, you're like, no, I'm done. I'm out. I can't do this anymore.
00:46:22
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So you jumped out and someone else jumped in and we literally won on the next turn. So it was Shane's fault. SK was out too. Yeah. He came back and got me a pat it. He said you guys all did much better after he left.
00:46:40
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Yeah, and I left too. So so everyone in new to the podcast, SK is Ingrid's partner. His name is Shane as well. so Yeah, I love it. i the thing that annoys me about this game is that a lot of people don't want to play it because they don't like poker and it it's so not poker that it is a cooperative card game that uses the poker system like you can enjoy this game whether you like poker or not uh in fact again you might enjoy it a lot more than you think you would because you don't like poker it's it's just such a great way to talk to people through your cards and
00:47:16
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um you get these little bonuses when you you don't get it right which help you and then you get these little negatives when things are going well for you to slow you down just it's it's just such a magic game for what is essentially deck cards you don't even need to buy this game to play it but you should because it's like 15 bucks so support the designers but yeah there we go number number six for me is the gang also when you entered into my top 10 it was number 22 last year so but i was what i'm saying it's your number six He's not happy with your seven or your six, Steve.
00:47:47
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No, I'm not. I'm not. I've played a lot of smaller card games in the last year, and and it's always the first one. Whenever I get them out, it's always in the top of the pile, like we should play this first. So, yeah, maybe maybe the way I've been playing games in the last year is influence, but I've loved this game since the first time I played it. so oh You know what It is a very diverse list tonight.
00:48:10
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you should You really should put your your next one in a shit real confusion, just to really piss him off.
00:48:17
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It's like he's disappointed in me. it's It's like he's my dad and I've come over and said I want to be a bartender. And
Favorite Games and Impact
00:48:23
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he's like, son, you're in the third year of uni. What's going on? Don't piss out that.
00:48:29
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All right, my number six, Steve's going to love. I'm going to call it straight out. Steve's going love my number six. Okay. And it's my only Garfield game in my top ten.
00:48:43
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Oh. Ingrid knows what it is because she's not in the way. It's mean. It's super mean.
00:48:53
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I wonder if I've got the right one. You have to play it mean. Is it Chaos Order? That would be my guess. Is it Architects? It is Architects. Okay. Yeah. That type of mean. I get you.
00:49:07
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a mean game. And it's such a good game. and Look, Chaos Order is good fun. It's nowhere near my... Chaos Order is probably in my top 50.
00:49:21
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But Architects is definitely in my top 10. Because is brutal. It's a great game. it's beautiful fun. You can do so much stuff with this game.
00:49:33
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And you can burn people on the way as well. So put them in prison, dump them away. They're going to pay you to get back out. It's perfect. So that's it. Yeah, absolutely.
00:49:49
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All right. Well, there's got to be a Martin Wallace game in my list. Like Mr. T, I'm a fan. There has to be. I love London. I love Anno 1800. But the game that makes my number five...
00:50:03
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You've already mentioned it. It's between your 20 and 30 something, but it's Brass Birmingham. It's fantastic. There's a reason it's number one on BGG. It's just... Most people would know know it or know of it, just your classic network building, resource management, lots of strategic decisions.
00:50:21
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It's perfectly balanced, I think. i I actually like the dark art design. Yeah, and me too. Yeah, it's moody. It's just cool.
00:50:32
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um i haven't played it enough to fully master it, but I've loved every game. It's a classic.
00:50:40
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The last time I played it, I played it with Helen and Raf and we all scored like crazy scores. Well, what I thought were crazy scores. Did you do something wrong? Well, that's what i I went back. I was like, I was certain we must have because like I won on like 190 and my previous best score was like 160. And I'm like, am I, did we just, I know, we couldn't find anything we did wrong. So then I Googled like average winning score in a game of brass Birmingham and turns out 190 isn't that spectacular after all. might have played the game properly for the first time. It's way higher than what I get.
00:51:13
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It's only happened once. so Wouldn't it be though, because we we all know Martin really well. Martin, let's play Brass Birmingham together.
00:51:26
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Take some nice photos of us all playing it. Martin, if you listen to our podcast, you know, we're all here tonight. Let's play Brass as a group. You're on notice.
00:51:39
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you notice I've actually played a Martin Wallace game with Martin Wallace and that was Australia at Brisco a few years back. And I was at one point, I couldn't really do much. And he was like, you know what, Ingrid, you should do this, this and this. I'm like thinking, I don't know if that will help me. but Anyway, I did it because this is the designer telling me to do it. And this is one of the first times I'd met him, if not the first, it was the second time.
00:52:07
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And, um no, you know what this move actually did was help him. Yeah. So I learned from that. He's a sneaky bugger. Oh, yeah. If there's one thing I know about Martin, is he yeah he's he's in it for himself when he's playing game. That's for sure. Yeah. He's all a win.
00:52:27
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And I played Chinatown with him last weekend and he was actually very nice. I had to say, Martin, if you give me that, I'll give you this. And I promise i will help keep my promise. and and And he was the same. He was like, there you go. No, I didn't because I didn't get the opportunity.
00:52:43
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ah But he gave me something which didn't really help him all that much. So he was very sweet. Nice. All right my number five is a former number one. it was number one in 2023 2021.
00:52:59
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So it's always been, it's it's actually, I think it's the only game in my list that has always been in my top 10. Oh, I think i know Except for the first year because I hadn't played it. The first year ever did top 10, which was in 2018. So it was too long ago. But this has the distinction of being ah the first game where when we when i started the board game barbecue, I started a a segment called Swear an Oath.
00:53:25
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And this was the first game I swore an oath to play. And I'm so glad I did because I love the game and it's just a stay up. And you mentioned the designer already, Daniel Tashini. This is TOT. City of Gods.
00:53:40
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had Last year it was number two. So it has moved down a couple of spots. But I mean, to top five is top five. Just a brilliant game. So love to play it. love to I'd love to play it more with the expansions because I do think they're all excellent. But in order to do that, you really need to play with someone else who has played with all the expansions. And it's a lot to just throw in. Or maybe a couple of modules you could throw in. But the unfortunate thing about it is on on BGA, it is just the base game. So I'd love for them to add the expansions in so you could...
00:54:12
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add modules here and there and let me mix it up a bit. But yeah, tremendous game. Best of the T's, best of um any of those games from those well-known Italian designers, in my opinion. So, yeah. Yeah, great. Good choice.
00:54:25
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um I remember we played that at a board game day in Brisbane. Oh, yes. I prefer to forget that game. Let's give all the details. He absolutely want to forget this, Dan.
00:54:42
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It was me and Shane and Steve. And don't know what you did, mate, but you were going really bad throughout the whole game. is like you Except for the first turn. I had my first turn and you guys were all just like, holy shit, what are we doing for you? he's living up to his reputation. Yeah, I scored like 17 points on the first turn, but then ended the game by like 100. And we're all like, claim to fame, we beat Steve in this game.
00:55:12
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That was so good. That was so fun. Yeah, and you just and they're just me looking really puzzled like I'd never played the game before.
00:55:25
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Great
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00:55:26
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memory. it was. It was good fun. All right. So my next one, my number five, is one of my favourite games. I love playing.
00:55:38
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At a game day. We did good in saying. Phil, whoever else wants to join
00:55:49
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We've had plenty of people jump in as that fourth or fifth player, haven't we? Ingrid's going to go, yeah, I know what game you're talking about. yeah And there's two versions of it.
00:56:03
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So which one you want to go for, I don't care. Because they're both so much fun. I'm going to go to the quirky side. I think Ingrid will go to the English. no no No, I agree with you. I like the quirky one.
00:56:23
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Yeah, Unk Morpok or Nantinarking is my number five. It is such a fun game to play as a group. And you play mean.
00:56:34
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We have not had many. We had a lot of games that go down to the last round where anyone could win. And it is super, super cool.
00:56:47
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So, Mr. Wallace, you've done
00:56:52
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again. I do have a sign there. Oh, cool. We played that game at your place, Steve, you were there. And I completely forgot that one character, there was one there might be more than one character, but could actually be played by multiple players.
00:57:14
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And so that's what happened in that game. Two people were the same person. I was so confused. i asked what is going on because two of you had the same person.
00:57:24
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Anyway, it was only after. It was like, oh, no wonder now it'll make sense. I was just doing everything wrong. That was, I really enjoyed it. It's only time i' played it and I really enjoyed it. And I, i all I remember, i don't remember what I was aiming for, but I remember coming up with a plan early to try and make it look like I was aiming for something else, not realising that I was just feeding Shane's victory condition.
00:57:48
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Oh, dang.
00:57:52
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But no, yeah, really I really enjoyed that. I'd love to play it again. It's such a good game. Really good. all like Like Unkball Brock, you've got the wooden blocks, whereas Nantin' Nantin' got the nice miniatures.
00:58:06
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However, cards in Unkball Moor Brock are just so quirky and fun. and they're much better. So.
00:58:17
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Yeah. That's my choice. All right. Number four. And you you mentioned Kanban EV in your top 20. Yes, I did. he And I do love Kanban EV. But I think I actually prefer On Mars, which is my number four. it It's my heaviest game in the list. It's a 4.6 on BGG.
00:58:42
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yeah But again, this this doesn't feel yeah because it makes sense. You need oxygen and water to do that. You know, it just everything is goes in a logical sequence.
00:58:55
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So i find in in terms of games, in like in the weight range that I prefer, i like the two and a half to three and a half or 3.8. this one is much higher, but If somebody else will set it up for me, I will always play it. It's just amazing.
00:59:13
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um I find Luzerta games that are a bit hit and miss with me. i really like Kanban. I like The Gallerist. But I was a bit underwhelmed by, was that one you mentioned last week, Steve? Escape Plan.
00:59:27
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Oh, really? and And completely confused by Weather Machine, which I think needed some house ruling to make it work for two-player. But on Mars is just quality. It's just the the components, the artwork.
00:59:42
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It's beautiful. Yeah. hey choice I still would like to play that game again only because every time I played it, there's been a reason why it's been an awful game. So I don't necessarily hold the game. i don't really hold the game at fault for that, but I haven't had a good experience. So yeah. But that's, yeah, that happens sometimes.
01:00:04
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My number four is a game that i first played when I was at the Dice Tower retreat in 2023 and was very enamored by it to the by to the fact that actually came home with it after that trip and have bugged people to play this game ever since and shane on a couple of podcasts ago finally got his second copy of it to the table did some 3d prints and spoke very highly of it it's a car racing game and it's heat pedal to the metal a lovely game that is really it's the best racing game game um
01:00:39
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Like, I'm not to, no spoilers, but there's no more racing games on my list. would have thought? But ah it's ah just, it it it really does capture it so well. And ah I've got all the expansions, but you don't, that's only because I play the game a heap. You don't
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01:00:52
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need them.
01:00:52
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You can just go off the base box. I have also found some fan-made tracks of classic racing tracks, such as Monza, Monaco, Bathurst, Melbourne, even the Adelaide street circuit for you, Shane. Wow.
01:01:07
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uh so like you can you can go as deep into this game as you want but it's it's just so good and it's the only and what makes it so good is that you can play it solo or with four players or with seven players and every game feels the same because the legends that you add in as the non-playable characters are really competitive but also really simple to manage they take next to no time so there's cars everywhere there's action everywhere it's it's just this to and fro of how far do you go past the corner so you can make sure you don't help somebody else out but at the same time you don't want to go too fast around a corner because you burn out just great so uh heat pedal to the metal will always be up for a game of that so that is my number four also it was number four last year
01:01:55
Speaker
Such a good choice. don't get that game. You say it's simple, but no. is. it is it is I was the same as you, Ingrid, until I learned how to play it on its own with people much better than learning how to play it BGA.
01:02:20
Speaker
Well, I did get an on-the-table initial learn with Haig, who's very good at teaching games, but we only had time for to get half half the game in. So I was, yeah, it yet still was a little bit unclear. And then we attempted on BGA and Shane and I were both like, we don't know what we're doing. So maybe we need someone to show us on the table again. Yeah. um I learned it.
01:02:45
Speaker
on the table with you my game group. So he passed a Nick Tortoise to us. He did really well, loved it. And then I went, I know how Steve loves it so much.
01:02:58
Speaker
So really, really cool. There you
01:03:05
Speaker
It's not cracked up yet into my top. that That would be very surprising if it had after only a few handful plays. No. Alright, so my number four,
01:03:19
Speaker
it is, bear with me, let's look it up.
01:03:26
Speaker
Economic game, think, don't know if I've taught Ingrid it yet.
01:03:36
Speaker
Steve, maybe?
01:03:41
Speaker
When you're completely fulfilling a power network.
01:03:47
Speaker
yeah I haven't played the game, but I've heard you talking about it a lot. And I've got it. I just need to get it out. We have recently played something like this, Shane. The designer starts with FF.
01:03:59
Speaker
Yes. Power Grid. Power Grid. Yeah, Power Grid. and yeah for those The one thing I know about this game, and I'm just going to throw it in here first, because I was very disappointed to hear that there was a Friedman Freeze game that didn't start with F, but it's because the German pronunciation of Power Grid is Funkenschlag.
01:04:16
Speaker
going to show up. Yes. Starts with next. Sorry, I'll get out there. It still starts with the next. And it is brilliant. Love Power Grid. and With all the expansions, Pastor Nick again taught it to me.
01:04:35
Speaker
ah just love economic games where you are just fulfilling so much and people are blocking you all the way. It's mean. It's a mean game. um But it is fantastic.
01:04:51
Speaker
It's especially good with past next card display thing. with the Oh, yeah. That's awesome. It's nice. he' He's done that really well with that. and But then there's expansions as well that will take Power Grid into almost City the Bigger Shoulders realms.
01:05:15
Speaker
which is really, really nice as well for me. So, Power Grid, up there. Nice. Okay, number three. Number three, here we go.
01:05:30
Speaker
I think this might surprise people because it's really shot to my top nearly top spot with a bullet. I only started playing this game this year, but it just really clicks with me. And it's Fromage.
01:05:42
Speaker
Have you one yet? Oh, wow. Yeah. ah us yeah I really like it. it's um It's designed by the guys who did Search for Planet X in between two castles. um So, yeah, centred around that cheese making theme. I'm not even a big cheese lover, but it's it's just beautiful art. I really like that mechanism with the central board that turns. So you have to keep an eye on where your worker is. And if you want to make a short term commitment or a long term commitment, depending on what's coming up.
01:06:11
Speaker
I like the different player boards which change your goals each game. I don't know. It just really works for me. We actually got a week ago they new standalone expansion for Maggio got it to the table this afternoon. oh it's magnificent. It's basically from Maggio.
01:06:37
Speaker
and duplicated, same rules, but just with four new kind quadrants. So if you had both games, you could just pick the four best or just, you know, really mix them up.
01:06:48
Speaker
And Shane and i just, we're already after one game thinking that we like these four quadrants more than the quadrants in Fromage. So maybe my number three should be Fromage, but I don't want to say that just yet because only played it once.
01:07:03
Speaker
But yeah, it's it's fabulous. Can't wait to play it with you. Nice. Great game. All right. Now, um my last my top five of last year. So my number five last year was Andromeda's Edge, which was my number 11. My number four last year was Heat, which was number four. My number three last year was Cthulhu Death May Day, which was Dye, which was number nine.
01:07:26
Speaker
My number two last year was T.O.T. Wa Khan, which was number five this year. And my number one last year is my number three. So I've got a new top two. So... My number one, which had been number one for two years, and it's just super solid. But the other two games, I just get to the table more and look forward to getting to the table more.
01:07:45
Speaker
So A Feast for Odin has dropped to number three. Still just probably the the the highest, well, definitely the highest Euro game on my list, like out and out Euro game.
01:07:56
Speaker
It's just the the game of decisions. And I think I've played it so much in the last couple of years that BGA has helped with that, but I played it so much that I kind of just play it the same way every time now. And that's probably why it's dropped down from number one, where in previous years, I was always exploring different ways to do things. And and now I'm kind of like, well,
01:08:20
Speaker
ah yeah unless something strange happens in the first couple of turns, I kind of know what I'm doing from the start, which may have taken the shine off it just a smidge, but still, I mean, classic best of a game, best just Viking game, best everything game, except for two that follow. So great tro if you haven't, yeah, if you haven't tried it, give it a go. it is far less daunting than it looks.
01:08:42
Speaker
So yeah. Feast for Edmund number three. I've done that as well, Steve. I go in there and I think I'm going to do it a different thing this time. Like this time i'm going to do animals, all the way, animals, animals. And then end up going, nah, I'm going to raid. have a plan. No, I'm going to go raid now.
01:08:58
Speaker
Yeah. I did do something interesting the last time I played by accident, which was um I raided and I got 16. So I grabbed the the the crown, which is worth two victory points. But then I realized I had nowhere left to put the crown.
01:09:11
Speaker
So I had to go and buy an island that I didn't need so I could place the crown. Did you end up with more negative points in the end? Well, actually I still ended up winning, which was which was fine. But it was, ah yeah, it probably was ah to my detriment that actually took the crown. You got greedy. Yeah.
01:09:30
Speaker
It's very difficult to play on BGA. I find with that, it there's so much going on in so many places. you have to scroll left, scroll up, scroll right to be able to go to the different parts of the board.
01:09:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's it sings on the table, there's no doubt. But it is, it is a yeah. The set up and tear down does hurt it a bit. I'm very interested to see about the Danes, which is apparently feast for Odin 2, which is coming out or coming to Kickstarter next year. So
Game Expansions and Immersive Play
01:09:58
Speaker
very interested to see what that brings, whether that...
01:10:01
Speaker
goes along the same trend as some of the older games that have gotten a redo where they've spent a lot more time fixing that time to table, time to play sort of thing. So I'd be interested to see whether it does something like that. So, yeah.
01:10:17
Speaker
That's it, my number three. Very good. My number three is my favourite game to play with Ingrid, Shane,
01:10:30
Speaker
Phil and myself and anyone else who wants to join it is the Godfather Koleon's Empire. Yes. My number one area.
01:10:43
Speaker
It is so much fun. You have just throwing people everywhere, killing people, taking over territory.
01:10:55
Speaker
is so cool. Is that our first crossover? That's our first grasshopper. think Yeah, it is. And we love it.
01:11:07
Speaker
And what I like about it, Ingrid, whenever we get a ballgame day, you say, can you bring the Godfather? Or can you bring Uncle Bobrock or Auntie?
01:11:20
Speaker
And Overrunner. And Overrunner. Yeah, yep those three. The three you ask me always to bring. So such fun games. And we've brought people into those games as well. So and
01:11:35
Speaker
the last board game barbecue day i went to, we brought another lady into, was her name? Yeah, Nick. Nick. She loved it. And she ended end up buying the game.
01:11:48
Speaker
Yep. And and we brought Nick into Coloma as well.
01:11:57
Speaker
And I end up giving Nick a Coloma sign card by the designer as well. Cool. That's good. all right I really need to play Coleon's Empire. Yes, you do. I learned it many years ago and never got it to the table. Like, early on in the hobby, I bought it and I never played it and then I sold it. And then it was like four years later when Shane, he started talking about how amazing this game is. I'm like, what have I done?
01:12:26
Speaker
So... And you just never see it on the second-hand market. I keep looking out for it, thinking I've got to own this myself. And nope, it's never there. You don't need to own it because I own it.
01:12:37
Speaker
Yeah, well, that's right. that All right, top two. Here we go. All right, yes. Well, actually, my number two, we talked about already because I said I played it last weekend. So Clowns of Caledonia.
01:12:51
Speaker
had only ever played on BGA, learned it on BGA. I've been playing it consistently for the last few years. again, waiting very patiently for it to come up on the secondhand market. No one wants, if you, if you have it, you don't want to sell it because it's just so good.
01:13:05
Speaker
um But it finally came up early this year or last year as an add-on for the Kickstarter for millennia. yep dude So we finally got that a couple of weeks ago. we have played millennia too. it's It's interesting. And we have to play it again to really um make an opinion about it. But,
01:13:24
Speaker
But, yes, Clans of Caledonia, as of finally two weeks ago. Number two. have it Yep, that's it. It's so great. you You can play with different clans each time, try different strategies.
01:13:38
Speaker
Apparently there's a new expansion as well, Industria, which I hear really good things about in a huge box. But, yeah, I'm happy with the base game. It's great.
01:13:49
Speaker
There we go. I wouldn't have prompted you earlier if I knew it was going to be a number two, but that's outstanding. No, well, I actually forgot it was my number two. and I said, oh, yeah, we played this great game last week. And then afterwards, oh, actually, I'll be talking about that. Yeah.
01:14:04
Speaker
Cracking game. it's We we've got a copy of it. We were lucky enough to eventually find one. But, yeah, because we got I got taught by Def, my wife and I both did, and both of us were like, this is a cool game, and it took us forever to get a copy of it. so I also don't want to sell mine you're correct yes yeah all right number two was my number eight last year so it's crept up in into the coveted number two spot and it's the number one and two here are almost interchangeable I had a really hard time with these last two games um but this one there's a reason the other one just pipped it but
01:14:43
Speaker
This game is my most second most played game of 2025. That's got a lot to do with the fact that it's got a good BGA adaptation, but also an excellent solo mode.
01:14:53
Speaker
So the physical game has hit the table a lot more because of that, and also just playing it with people. has a great theme, but as we sit here and you guys wanted to have a couple of Dutch Courage drinks before we did this podcast, I don't really drink alcohol much anymore, so it's not a theme that I should gravitate towards, but distilled.
01:15:10
Speaker
oh god distilled is just an amazing game i love again this is another one a bit like a bit like obsession and it looks like i'm getting the same response from shannon um where the mechanism's really tied to the theme like it's so easy to teach because you you're teaching the theme not the mechanisms and i love when games can do that like it's Pretty simple. You've got this. It requires these types of sugars. You mix them all together. You take off the angel share. That's what you've got.
01:15:39
Speaker
make it And you put it in a bottle and you sell it. That's that's the rules. like That's the game. You don't even need to know. There's no other resources. Everything that's in the game is just there. it's Except for, of course, the specialists upgrades you can do and those sort of things. But just a stunning game. I've gotten the all the current expansions and they add cool things like um Africa and Middle East, but also different sugars. Like you can buy um high fructose corn syrup now, which gives you two of any sugar that you're chasing, but doesn't really add any victory points or money because it doesn't add any flavor. It's just extra extra sugar. So...
01:16:16
Speaker
so But lots of other things too, like the the new cards that offer that are one coin deer at a buy, but then they also have some sort of victory point earning condition on the ingredients as well. I only use those for people who've played the game before, but I've backed the new expansion. i don't know if I'm that excited about the cocktails expansion, but what I am excited about is in that expansion is a second washback area. So you can actually make two drinks.
01:16:41
Speaker
per season, per round, which will be an interesting way because you've got to split what you earn, but split what you gain between the two barrels, which means you've really got to, you can't do it early because you're not going to have the goods to do it early. So I'm interested to see how that works.
01:16:57
Speaker
But just a stunning game that I'll play anytime.
Game Preferences and Comparisons
01:17:01
Speaker
It's the reason I bought Luthier, which I still haven't tabled since I poured a drink all over it. But I can't see it being better than the steel because It's distilled for the, just reading the rules of Luthier, it sounded a bit convoluted and I'm sure it's not when I get into it distilled. I got taught this by a guy who was struggling hard to teach it. And it was in a really bad environment to learn a game. And I remember i messaged the chin wag at the time. And I said, if this guy, if I like this game, then this game is amazing. Cause this has been an awful teach and an awful first game experience. And I came away from that experience going, that game is awesome. So
01:17:39
Speaker
it can it can It can shine amongst the hardest conditions and it absolutely sings in the best conditions. So Distilled, my number two.
01:17:51
Speaker
I think Shane is deciding whether he wants to be part of a podcast with me ever again. We both are very silent. club I've only played it a couple of times, but I i much prefer Luthier.
01:18:06
Speaker
Yeah, Luthier amazing. And I am a whiskey drinker.
01:18:11
Speaker
Luthier is brilliant.
01:18:14
Speaker
I'm sorry. I'm sure i we'll get it to the table eventually, but at this stage, I mean, if you I hope it is. I hope that, you know, Distilled is number three next year because Luthier above it because that just means I played a more awesome game than Distilled.
01:18:27
Speaker
Good, good. That is good. and And look, to be honest, Ingrid, Shane, and I... oh Played Luthier for, what, six or seven hours?
01:18:39
Speaker
Yeah, a long time. Oh, we did have dinner in the middle there. Yeah, we did. But it was good. We took out time. It was so good, though. We enjoyed it. So, yeah.
01:18:51
Speaker
Anyway. All right. My number two.
01:18:57
Speaker
Mr. Steffenfeld. What is it?
Calming Games and Aesthetics
01:19:00
Speaker
Castle Burgundy. Castle Burgundy. Yes, it is. Love, love, love this game.
01:19:10
Speaker
I'm doing really shit on PGA right now, though. I'm playing with Ingrid and Shane and Kev, and Jesus, is my game. Shit. Anyway, i think we're all doing really bad. We haven't even been watching the scores. We're all doing bad, you ask me?
01:19:23
Speaker
When I've got the scores. So...
01:19:28
Speaker
Castle Burgundy's brilliant. That's a good game.
01:19:33
Speaker
I've said. It's such a calming game, isn't it? Like you just can just set it up and play it and... You roll dice. Yeah. Off you go. Pick a tile.
01:19:47
Speaker
Although I do have a feeling, based on the last thing that Ingrid said, that we might not have heard the end of it. Yeah, so we're up to our number one games. because ditto.
01:20:00
Speaker
Is that your number one? Second crossover. Yeah, it is. oh Oh, yes. Yeah. Well done. Specifically the Awakened Realms edition because I'm super visual and like pretty things. We had the original the original one and and it was it was okay. I didn't like the beige and the yellow and the green were all a bit too much similar and it didn't really. I liked the game mechanism, but I was disappointed by the aesthetics.
01:20:27
Speaker
But then that edition came out and it's just, I mean, we had a table in our spare room where it's just set up and there's, for a while, we just had a game constantly on the go. we just, every time we walk past that that doorway, I'll just go in and take my turn. It's just so beautiful.
01:20:44
Speaker
Stefan Feld, I really like a lot of his games, every game of his that I've played, actually, Bonfire, Amsterdam, Merlin. Maybe you could say he's my favourite designer. Sorry, Martin.
01:20:57
Speaker
um But yeah, dead keen to try civilization as well. it's yeah And the vineyards expansion. That is great. Yeah. You guys killed me in that. Yeah, we trust you. Well, because actually I don't think in the end it was so bad, but we were trying to say, Shane, you really should maybe put some things on your vignette because you can really get some points on that expansion. I was playing normal. Yeah, you were. Yeah.
Game Expansions and Scoring
01:21:29
Speaker
ye So, and then at the end it was like, and we just add on 50 points or whatever it was for that. Yeah. But yeah, it'll have to be a very special game to dislodge Castles of Burgundy from my number one spot.
01:21:43
Speaker
Oh, that's heartwarming for me. There go. So it was Shane's two, Ingrid's one, and I had it all the way down at 13. a effort by one game to be in three. It just speaks to the quality of that game. 100%. I do recall the first time i played with the Vignards expansion was with my friends, Joe and Shannon from Emerald. And Shannon just leant so hard into the vineyards and Joe and I touched on the vineyards a bit and we thought we were doing really well. that We got to the final scoring and she scored like 390. And ninety and we're like, we didn't even know that was possible in this game. correct you like yeah wow I was the same when Ingrid and Shane, they scored these immaculate scores. I'm like,
01:22:24
Speaker
Hang on, how's that possible? yeah yeah We scored our best scores ever and we're over 100 behind. All right, my new number one, and it's coincidentally, this game actually was taught to me by Ingrid.
01:22:45
Speaker
ah minutes ago. so um it's it has been the absolute highlight of this year for sure. It's game that's got a lot of playtime. The group up here love it. We've played all the different versions of it that you get in the base box plus the expansion.
01:23:02
Speaker
ah just Let her get let guess. I'm wrecking my brain here. Okay, I'll start narrowing it down for you. is that it? Is that a, not a game day, but like a meetup, game meetup?
01:23:18
Speaker
I think it was at Ashgrove, if I recall correctly. um We played a couple of games at Ashgrove that day. You taught me two games. This was this was one of them.
01:23:29
Speaker
Are you getting any closer? No, I can remember playing Wonderland's War, but you taught us that. Oh, there it he is. I don't believe I did. There it is. Oh, was it that?
01:23:40
Speaker
Yeah, didn't you taught me that game. you taught us that game. Well, maybe Ben taught both of us that game because I learned it on that day. Oh,
01:23:51
Speaker
Maybe it was Ben or or Dave, crew. Yeah, no, because attributed i attributed you that teach to you. So there you go. i need to need to ah give credit elsewhere.
Engaging Game Mechanics
01:24:02
Speaker
No, well, I wish I'd just gone, yeah, yeah, well, you're welcome.
01:24:07
Speaker
But that was your copy, wasn't it? No, no, it wasn't my copy. So, yeah. ah Because I've only got it recently. i only got it last year. So, yeah. There you go. That was fun. but It was such a good game and it is such a good game and it's really benefited from multiple plays. Like, I think that's what's shut it up this year is that Manuel, Lily, Helen, myself have played it at least like nine or 10 times. And we played with, there's A, B, C and D versions of all of the chips. So they all do different things. And then the expansion is really cool where it makes the shards,
01:24:44
Speaker
so much more involved in the game so there's lots more negative points there's lots more ways that you do things that give people shards and whatnot which um it's just it's just such a great way to play a battle game it's it's like someone played quacks of quedlinburg and a war game and went yeah we i can make this work i can i can have a war game with pulling chips out of a bag and I remember when it first went at that day, only the only negative I had about it when I first played that game with you, Ingrid, was that it went a bit long.
01:25:15
Speaker
ah which kind of meant that I didn't go back to it straight away. And it's not like it doesn't go long now. It's definitely quicker because we all know what we're doing, but the time just goes by. Like you just, it's just one of those games that you are so invested in the game that you look up after three hours, three and a half hours and go, what, how is that the time? Like, it feels like we've been playing this game for 20 minutes.
01:25:38
Speaker
So good. The expansion is just a very simple expansion. adds a few things, but what it does is it changes and it brings you a whole new deck of Wonderlandians, so they're all different. They all have different abilities and powers.
01:25:52
Speaker
They've just released Wonderland's War. Well, not released. They've kick-started Wonderland's War Duel, which would be awesome because Helen loves this game too. that That'll almost go down to an hour.
01:26:03
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So... I think so. i mean, even if you played Wonderland's War at two, which we've never done, but I imagine it would go a lot quicker, but yeah I wouldn't want to. It's it's almost like Scythe. You want to play it at four or five. You want to have the most chaos going on at once rather than like you don't want to be in a situation where people just get regions because they're the only ones in there. You want to have battles in all the regions. And it's just, I want to like, I just keep looking at it and going, on to play it again. And we are so lucky that Joe and Shannon, again, are friends from Emble, they gave me their copy or we did a switch for Dwellings of Eldervale and,
01:26:40
Speaker
um As much as I love dwellings, I had Andromeda's Edge at that point. so But I'm so lucky because not only did they have the extended beautiful version, but he'd already painted all the miniatures.
01:26:52
Speaker
So they all look amazing. And it's just just a delight. i just I can't get enough of the game at the moment. I'll play it. it's the Whenever Manuel and Lily come over, it's the first game i say, do you want to play Wonderland's War? And nine times ten, they're like, yeah, let's do it. Yeah.
01:27:07
Speaker
Can't get enough of it. My number one, new number one, it was at number 39 last time. So it's big jump up. power Yeah. Yeah. It's that's, there's good reason. So there it is.
01:27:18
Speaker
Talk to me by not Ingrid apparently. Oh yeah. That was disappointing.
Celebrated Board Games
01:27:25
Speaker
ah Let's close this out. My number one, no surprise.
01:27:30
Speaker
What would it be? Is it still big shoulders? It's still big shoulders. There we go. i love this game. Such a great game.
01:27:42
Speaker
Just finished playing it on BGA and I came third. DG still kills us. Well done, Dave. I scored terribly in that game and I thought I played well, but I scored terribly, so obviously you didn't play well. Such a good game, isn't it?
01:27:59
Speaker
It is brilliant. So, it's still big shoulders. My number one game. and I've taught it to SK. Ingrid, I haven't taught it to you yet.
01:28:12
Speaker
Yet. Yet. But we can play it one day soon. We'll put it on the list. We'll put it on list. We'll play it on BGA because that's the best way to play it because the math in the game, math.
01:28:27
Speaker
Math. Oh. Someone's heard him when I say math. It's the only way to, it's very easy to play it on BGA versus playing it live. Cool. My number one. Are we going to do a couple of honourable mentions?
01:28:49
Speaker
Oh, 100%. I can talk about board games all night. It depends how late you want to stay up. I just feel really bad that I don't have a single Garfield game in my top 10. It's just outrageous. It's a travesty. Well, that's okay. That's okay. I like all the West Kingdom games in particular.
01:29:06
Speaker
I had a great time playing Raiders of the North Sea. Circadian's First Light, great game. So, yeah, I had to just mention Garfield games in there. It is the first time I've not had a top 10 Garfield game either. that's Yes, but you had Paladins in your top 20, didn't you? 20 in top 20 and Hedon 12 as well. But still, yeah. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
01:29:28
Speaker
Yeah, they're great. And other quick party game honourable mentions would be Las Vegas, Flip 7 and Scout. Three wonderful games. Great little filler party games with the right crew.
01:29:41
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Oh, and Over Roma. Yeah, that was in Shane's top 20. Yes, yes. i was very impressed with that.
01:29:53
Speaker
There is a game that sits at 29 on my list, which I've only played a couple of times. It's fairly new. so I wouldn't be surprised if this jumps up. And I wouldn't be surprised if you guys, especially Ingrid, after you mentioned the the weight of games that you like, this might fit in there and that's Galactic Cruise. Yeah. I really enjoy that game. And I feel like maybe after a few more plays and once I understand it a bit more, I can see it going up.
01:30:19
Speaker
So, yeah, really cool game. Yeah, I've put it as a favourite in BGA. I'm looking for the advantage going up in my books.
01:30:31
Speaker
It looks good. I'd be very keen to hear about that. It's going to go up, I think.
01:30:40
Speaker
A game that's been in my top 20 all the time, except for this year, fell out was Space Base. It fell out to number 24, but a great family game. It just still gets a lot of plays, but there's just too many good games these days to keep it in the top 20.
01:30:55
Speaker
And they just keep coming. It's relentless. Yeah. How dare they? It's great. Any other honorable mentions?
01:31:08
Speaker
I think I'm done. I think ah for me, the the big standout for me this year compared to last year's, and Shane, your response to the gang is probably um sounds like a bit of a surprise to you too.
01:31:22
Speaker
ah Small box games. So the gang and Expressions both made by top 20, but just outside of the top 20 are some other like small box games. Like, I don't know if you call Sky Team in that area, but Sky Team was close by, Draftosaurus, Arapamine,
01:31:38
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Flip 7, Kabanga, like those little games, Trio, ah we've just been playing them so much. And it's ah it's hard not to, it's hard to look at a game and say, oh, this five minute card game, how does that compare to three and a half hour game of
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Wonderland's War? But they they are, they are,
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equals they you just got to think about they have their experience you get with them and yeah that's right it's you can't judge one over the other because it's uh like ah um a heavier game or a lighter game it's just which one do you want a table like what do you want to play kind of thing so um i wasn't surprised that a couple of small box games got in the top 20 given the year that we've had or we've played ah had a lot of intro intro game nights and things like that so yeah yeah
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All right. Well, that'll round us out then. Top 20 or top 10 of all time. Thank you, Ingrid, for joining. I hope you had a great time. It was definitely great to hear a different perspective on the podcast. That perspective being Euros.
01:32:37
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Hey, you had Zombicide on your list and no one else did. So that sounds was we're not gonna we're not going to give you that Euro only tag, that's for sure. Well, thank you for inviting me. I've had a great time.
01:32:50
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right And if ah you're listening, with we we will be back for one more episode before the end of the year because we've decided to do a Christmas list, top 10 games to play during the festive season. So there may be festive games. There may not be. There may be games you play with big groups or easy to have people join in because you might come across people aren't gamers. Whatever that may be, however we want to figure it out, we'll figure out 10 games and talk about those in the next episode. But then we'll be off for a bit of a time after that. So thank you Shane.
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Thanks. Thank you. I dabs. It's pleasure. I see you guys. not heard that
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It's an initial based IW. I figured that Sorry, you got it. All right. Have great night, everyone.
01:33:41
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And we'll see you the next pod. Thank you. Bye.