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*WARNING* Lost audio file for Mario Edwards in final 8 minutes of episode!
In Episode 4, Page Whittle, good buddy of Dawson and Mario, appears on the pod to reflect on the incredible Super Bowl matchup between the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles.
With many NFL Quarterbacks potentially on the move, the three of them discuss the wild "Quarterback Carousel" that is about to unfold this off-season. Which teams are going to make that push to acquire star QB''s such as Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, or Derek Carr?
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Transcript
00:00:01
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Welcome
Introduction and Guest Welcome
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back, everyone, to the fourth episode of Going for Two with me, Dawson Danner, and my counterpart, Mario Edwards. We first would like to apologize for not coming out with the episode last week. Mario was in the middle of grieving for the most recent Super Bowl loss for his beloved Philadelphia Eagles.
00:00:28
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We're
Guest Background and Favorite Teams
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back and we're back for another episode with another one of our buddies who is making a guest appearance. Mara, you want to introduce them? Yeah, so I was down on the dumps, but I'm glad to be back. We'll get into that later. But yes, one of my lifelong friends, noted him since I was pretty much out of the womb, four days apart, played music together, went to high school together, hung out in college, you know, everything outside of that. My very good friend, Paige Whittle.
00:00:59
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Hello, everyone. It's a pleasure to be on the show. Thank you, gentlemen, for having me on. Very excited to talk all things NFL with you guys today and looking forward to getting going. A little bit about me from Grass Valley, California, where Mario and I grew up. Graduated
Super Bowl Recap: Chiefs vs. Eagles
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from Chico State in 2021, the summer of 2021, with a double major in music, recording arts and industry.
00:01:28
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I'm currently career searching a little bit, but holding down a little bartending job at Central Coast Brewing Company in San Luis Obispo. Some of the sports that I played coming up through my childhood and whatnot included soccer, baseball, basketball, water polo, swim, and even some golf in high school, which was quite fun.
00:01:57
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Um,
Mahomes vs. Brady: Record Comparisons
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and for the most part, my favorite teams are, are all the Oaktown, all the Oaktown sports teams, uh, the Oakland athletics, the warriors and well, unfortunately now the Las Vegas, but it'll always be the Oakland Raiders in my heart. So that's a little bit about me.
00:02:20
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There you go. Thanks. Thanks for being here, Paige. So we'll just get into it. What a game for the Super Bowl. I know, you know, Mario, you probably, we were on the wrong end of the stick there, but as a fan of just me personally watching that, that was a great game. The Chiefs obviously came out victorious with a 38-35 win. Came down to the wire for sure, but
00:02:49
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So what do you guys think? What did you guys think about that game? First of all, what about you, Pidge? As just a fan of the NFL, what did you think?
00:02:57
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I thought it was a great Super Bowl. In years past, some of the Super Bowls have just been, in my opinion, just field goals and just kind of boring lackluster. I like seeing a lot of passing, a lot of running, scoring touchdowns, keeping it interesting, keeping it close, having fun. It just makes for a much better viewing.
00:03:21
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Um, and actually I got to watch it with Mario, which was really fun and we got to root for the, the Eagles together. So it was awesome. All like hands down. Great Superbowl. Yeah. That was a, that was a fun time hanging out with you watching Superbowl. Unfortunately, uh, on the run wrong end of the stick there, but it was nice having all, you know, it was Paige's family, Paige's friends that are all Raiders fans.
Super Bowl Analysis: Mahomes and the Chiefs
00:03:41
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So they were obviously rooting against the chiefs, but yeah, yeah, it came, came up short. Um, great Superbowl. I thought it was an all-time classic, honestly. I mean, like.
00:03:49
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Like Paige said, it's one of those Super Bowls that you would, that you want to watch is, you know, high scoring, high action came down to the wire. Um, so that was fun to watch, uh, definitely was back and forth, which was even made it even better. You know, Eagles, you know, start not hot.
00:04:07
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And then, you know, by 10 and a half time and kind of giving up that lead. So Dawson, that kind of leads me into a question I have for you. What do you think, you know, was that turning point in the game when the Eagles kind of, you know, when you thought there was kind of turning tides and the Chiefs were starting to take over, what did you think was a turning point there?
00:04:25
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Yeah, man. Well, just to piggyback off both of what you guys said, that was an all-time classic for sure. You got to love when there's just offensive firepower. But to answer your question, I mean, dude, going into halftime,
00:04:40
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the Eagles were at 24-14 with a 10-point lead and I don't know if you guys remember but there was you know I think I'm pretty sure that last drive before halftime Mahomes was was seen on camera you know on the sideline grimacing with that ankle and it I mean me as a fan like I was like dude this Super Bowl could be over
00:05:00
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Right? Like he might be done. Oh yeah, totally. And I was like, wow, it's going to be interesting to see if he even comes back out here or if he does, if like, you know, they're going to give him some pain meds at halftime and all that. But that first drive out of halftime, uh, 10 plays, 75 yard methodical jive by Patrick Mahomes to cut the deficit to three. Um, I think that right there, uh, made me personally go, we got a ball game.
Mahomes: Future GOAT?
00:05:29
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And it's insane to think that Mahomes, even with a hobbled ankle, is still considered one of the top quarterbacks in the league. But Paige, for you, man, I was going to ask you. So Mahomes, obviously, second Super Bowl win and all that. Now, with Brady retiring, do you think that he is now
00:05:56
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Obviously, there's been comparisons about how he could be the next Tom Brady and everything. But I mean, there's certain statistics that really show that he might overthrow him. So I mean, what are your thoughts on that?
00:06:07
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I was just about to say, there's some pretty interesting statistics out there for sure regarding Mahomes and the career that he's building up. So in all honesty, I could very easily see him being the next Tom Brady, in a sense, right? I mean, he's got that prowess, that composure.
00:06:32
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in in prime time games where it's like oh this is the super bowl that we're playing right now and I'm just gonna go out there and have fun is almost what it seems like sometimes right I mean you see him take the field and it's just like
00:06:45
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it's like he just owns it already. And it's like, what, his third, fourth, maybe fifth season, something like that. And it's just like, this is really impressive. I mean, come on, Mike. So, so to answer your question, it's actually his, uh, his sixth, his, that was his sixth NFL season and some
Jalen Hurts and Eagles' Future
00:07:02
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statistics that I wanted to throw out there. I mean,
00:07:06
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In comparison to Tom Brady, through their first six NFL seasons, Mahomes has been in five conference championships to Brady's three. Brady does still lead him in Super Bowls. He had three in his first six seasons, while Mahomes had two.
00:07:28
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NFL MVP is Mahomes with two, Brady with zero. So it really seems like he's on the trajectory of just potentially overthrowing him. But Mario, I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean, I think when you compare the stats like that, obviously Mahomes has the potential to be just as good if not better than Brady.
00:07:51
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But it's just crazy to think about how composed he is, like Paige was saying. Poor Paige, you've got to play against him twice a year for the last six years. It sucks. It's terrible. Sorry for you. Part of me is just like, well, this is probably going to be a loss. But it'll be a fun game to watch, nonetheless. Yeah, no, you guys always, I mean, you guys usually play them that good at least one game in the season, which is fun. But yeah, I mean, we play them hard. Yeah, you always do. And the thing is, by Holmes, he's just like,
00:08:20
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He's surgical. He's able to pick apart these defenses, which is crazy because the Eagles had one of the top defenses, one of the top passing defenses in the league last season, and then they just come out. It doesn't even phase Mahomes. They had protection. The Eagles didn't get any sacks, which I thought was a huge deal in the Super Bowl. They didn't get any sacks. They're known for their sacks.
00:08:41
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third most all-time sacks of all time. I'm pretty sure it was third or fourth time. Don't quote me on that, but right around that number, they'd got no sacks. And then
Travis Kelsey's Legacy: Greatest Tight End?
00:08:48
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my homes had all the time in the world. And when you give him the home's time, he's just able to do whatever he wants. And it kind of showed like you said, Dustin, just throughout pretty much the whole game, the first drive coming into the game and then, you know, out of the second half as well. So he's lethal. Yeah, definitely. But kind of the switch gears here, Mario.
00:09:09
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So obviously, I mean, the Chiefs were the champs.
00:09:14
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I definitely think Jalen Hurts proved to the nation that he is indeed the future of the Philadelphia Eagles. I mean, this was a stat line too in the Super Bowl. He was 27 to 38 for 304 yards and a touchdown and also had 15 carries for 70 yards rushing with three touchdowns on the ground.
00:09:40
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As a fan, it was really cool to see him really go toe to toe with my homes till the very end. But for you, as an Eagles fan, obviously you guys are going to have a lot of different players that you're going to need to re-sign this offseason and everything. But do you think that he is the type of quarterback that can get you back there in the next, however much longer he is under contract with the Eagles?
00:10:06
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Yeah, I mean, I think he is him, to be honest. I mean, Jalen Hurts is that guy. I think he proved that. You know, it is going to be difficult to get everyone back. I think most of the free agents that we're going to have to worry about getting back on is going to be on the defensive side. Besides, I mean, Miles Sanders is up for grabs or he's a free agent and Boston Scott. But, you know,
00:10:26
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Hershes, you know, progressively got better every single year. You know, um, last year made the playoffs this year, made the Super Bowl. And I think that just, just with those stats, you could see how good of a quarterback is he is. And you kind of, when you talk like, um, I was listening to the Kelsey podcast with the brothers and, uh, even, um, Travis Kelsey was saying, you know, look, Jalen hurts could have possibly won Super Bowl MVP with the Eagles still losing.
00:10:51
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which was crazy because those stat numbers, I don't even know. I think he's, there's only one other quarterback that had three touchdowns in the Super Bowl. So I just don't, I think he can, I think he's going to get him back to the Super Bowl at some point. I don't know if it'll be next year, but you know, I think he's that guy and I think the Eagles are going to stick with him. So.
00:11:07
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Yeah,
Controversial Super Bowl Call: Fair or Unfair?
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totally. I mean, going off of what you said about the Kelsey brothers, I mean, Paige, a pretty cool moment that the two Kelsey brothers played each other in the Super Bowl. Obviously, you know, her, their mom was in the stands, ducked out in half Eagles, half Chiefs gear and everything and all that. But besides that cool moment and everything, Travis Kelsey, I mean, we're all in the same fantasy league year after year.
00:11:31
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that guy is putting up numbers that are just outrageous. And I don't have the stat on me, but I'm pretty sure during the Super Bowl, when he scored that touchdown, I think he's one touchdown behind Jerry Rice for the most touchdowns in the postseason. So, I mean, when you think of Travis Kelsey Page, do you think this is another guy that could be in the conversation as one of the greatest tight ends of all time?
00:11:56
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, through and through fantasy and in just actual real life football, right? I mean, this guy does it all. He's insane. I mean, there's no arguing that he's a beast. He gets open. I mean, his yards after catch the whole night, the touchdowns, the
00:12:15
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completion percentage or the catch percentage, it's all there. I mean, the dude's a freaking beast. And to also kind of tag along onto what you were saying with that moment in the Super Bowl. One of my favorite moments was they panned a Travis and he's all stoked about making a catch or something. And then they're like, and the other brothers on the sideline having a snack.
00:12:47
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It definitely showed that those two guys are just two of the biggest personalities and characters in the league. I love those brothers.
00:12:58
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Like, you know, we've actually, obviously they haven't responded, but I actually reached out to them on our podcast, like Instagram through DM and told them that, you know, Maro and I are doing this, like kind of like framing it after them, like just two, like two buddies, like just having a good time talking sports. But I love that. That aside,
00:13:24
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I mean, this is for the both of you. Pretty controversial call at the very end of that game. It was a holding call on James Bradbury, the corner for the Eagles against Juju Smith-Schuster of the Kansas City Chiefs.
00:13:42
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For me personally, I thought that call was pretty ticky tack. I looked at replays after the game and I did see a hold. But in my opinion, it wasn't excessive enough to call it in that big of a moment. So I'll start with you, Paige, first. I mean, what are your thoughts on that call and how it just was the outcome of the game in a sense?
00:14:06
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Yeah, I mean, in all honesty, I think it was just unbelievably heartbreaking for me because I just I hate seeing games and and by the, you know, the fist of the referee, right? The the call of the ref. I think that that's just like, it's lame. It's like, come on, man, especially after a Super Bowl of this caliber, where we are witnessing greatness on both sides. It's like, come on, I just
00:14:30
Speaker
I don't know. It's definitely a bit of a bummer in my eyes and I just don't like seeing games end like that. I like to see, you know, them really going toe to toe all the way to the end and not getting some lucky call that's gonna, you know, put you in a field goal range and then kick a, you know.
00:14:49
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an
NFL Narratives and Injuries
00:14:50
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easy field goal for the win so that's kind of where i'm at on it it was definitely a bit of a bummer but at the same time it was a whole so i i don't know if that was the time to necessarily call a hold of that magnitude it you know it makes me think about like you know the playoffs where
00:15:08
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There's that clear pass interference against the saints. It's calls like that where they either happen or they don't. And it's kind of like, was that really warranted? Was it really that big and that apparent? And did it really mess them up? And the other thing that kind of got me was I almost felt like my home's overthrew them.
00:15:30
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on that pass. Was that even really a catchable ball? Maybe it was, but that was one thing I noticed that I felt like people really weren't talking about. Was that even catchable? No, totally. I thought that same thing, but I actually heard on the Colin Cowherd podcast that when a hold is called, it doesn't matter if the ball is catchable.
00:15:56
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because it's when it's before the ball was even in the air, technically. But again, like you said, who knows if the flag when the flag was thrown exactly and all that. But definitely, it was a bummer. But I mean, Mario, what are your thoughts that must have been heartbreaking to know that right then and there?
00:16:15
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your all hope was lost, right? Yeah, I know. Once that penalty was called and it was the first down, it was pretty much immediate. We knew that game was over. Like Paige said, you hate to see it at the end of a game like that. Yes, it was a hold. When you look at it, I mean, Bradbury himself admitted it was a hold. When you bring it down to the last play, tell me, when you think about it, it's like,
00:16:38
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It was a hold, so you can't, I mean, you can't put it everything on that one play, right? I mean, like there was plenty of opportunities when the Eagles could have had chances to do something, you know, positive and they kind of let them get all the way to that point. Yes, the ball, it looked like the ball was overthrown. You probably wasn't going to catch it anyways, but that's part of the rules that, you know, like you just said with the hold.
00:16:58
Speaker
But it's just heartbreaking, you know, because you would have loved to see to see what Jason or Jalen Hurts could have done coming out. You know, if they kick the field goal and see what he's going to do on the, you know, on the other side of the ball and see if you come back with that. I mean, the difference is he probably would have had, I think it was about a minute, 40 minute, 30 seconds. I mean, that's a lot of time.
00:17:16
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No timeouts. I mean, still, the way that the Eagles were driving on the Chiefs all game, you know, I think we go down and we kick a field goal and we make it to overtime. But, you know, like you said, like you both said, it's a hold. And at the end of the day, you can't argue that. But it was a bummer to see, you know, the end of the game kind of go off and end like that. But it is what it is. And we live to fight another day.
00:17:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, definitely. One other play I wanted to mention that was sort of overshadowed by that holding call was earlier that drive, your Eagles had Mahomes at like a third and short or something, and he scampered that 25-yard run to get him into field goal range. That was killer. Do you guys remember that? Yeah, that was killer. Of course. I mean, that play, to go back to what we said about Mahomes and his ankle, right?
00:18:10
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Like going into halftime, I was thinking, is this guy going to be like 100% coming back? It's just insane to think that a guy of that caliber, right, he is able to, even if he's hurt, fight through adversity and gain that, get that first down to get his team in a manageable field goal opportunity.
NFL as Entertainment: Storylines and Interests
00:18:30
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But then like you said later,
00:18:33
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That pissed me off, though, because I was like, okay, is his ankle really hurting that back? He's all limping on the sideline, and he busts out a 35-yard run. I'm like, fuck you, dude. I mean, yeah, you got to respect the play, but at the same time, that's kind of like the brawn, you know? He always kind of acts like he's super hurt, and he just kind of wants everyone to be like, yeah, I'm the man. I'm that guy. And that, to me, was like, all right.
00:18:56
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It makes you wonder how much of it's for show, right? Yeah, it's just kind of like, it's like how much like you just want to do that to like maybe catch some more eyes, get the, you know, maybe some of the single moms at home who are watching the Super Bowl, like, Oh, my God, he's so strong. Dude, like, yeah, okay. But like, also most, most NFL players who suffer a high ankle sprain are done for six to eight weeks.
00:19:19
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So how true was that was invalid was that actual diagnosis? Was it really a high ankle sprain or maybe did they bump it up a little bit to make it all that more interesting and kind of showcase it a little? I don't know.
00:19:39
Speaker
The NFL's an entertainment business, right? That's what it's classified as. I mean, yeah. And you know, the stadium they played in was the State Farm Arena. And who's my home's sponsor guy? State Farm. Interesting. That's just a fun fact that sounds a little weird, that they wouldn't even give an Eagles a chance in the last drive. Damn, boys. We might have a controversy on it. The boys over at Going For Two calling out the NFL.
00:20:08
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But seriously, though, all joking aside, I think that, you know, that Super Bowl, just what a game.
Derek Carr's Departure from the Raiders
00:20:14
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And I think that Mahomes proved that, you know, there's all this he said, she said about whether or not guys like Joe Burrow or Josh Allen, you know, are in that same category as him. But I think that he proved once and for all that he's in his own stratosphere when it comes to talent at quarterback. But
00:20:38
Speaker
So now with the Super Bowl over, obviously, you know, football season ended pretty sad times for all of us. But this this offseason should be pretty interesting, especially at the quarterback position. And, you know, just to just to start things off your page, I mean, Derek Carr was just released by your Raiders a couple of weeks ago and
00:21:04
Speaker
Obviously, I mean, he ended his career there really unhappy, not really Josh McDaniels and his relationship, you know, who knows how that ended up. But I mean, you as a Raiders fan for all these years, I mean, that's been your guy and everything. So how do you think this is going to affect that franchise and moving forward? I mean, here's all I have to say, dude, they the way that they treated Derek Carr at the end was, I think,
00:21:33
Speaker
disgusting, quite frankly. That dude has done nothing but stand by this team and be a leader and be someone with a voice and a mentor to others and just so much.
Raiders' Offensive Struggles and Carr's Future
00:21:48
Speaker
I feel like he's given the Raiders a lot, right?
00:21:53
Speaker
to treat him in the way that they did was just very disheartening to see and just the whole way that they went about it. I mean, finding out what I want to say on Monday or maybe even Sunday, I read an article about how his brother David was talking with some CBS sports analysts or something or CBS HQ, something like that. And he revealed to them how
00:22:23
Speaker
what's his face, McDaniels had completely taken away his ability to change plays at the line of scrimmage. And I was like, oh, that's some behind the scenes stuff that we didn't know was going on. And it's just like, I just wonder what other behind the scenes stuff was going on. And it's just, it's kind of sad to see someone who we've rallied behind for so long
00:22:50
Speaker
go out in a way that's just like, see ya. We don't want to pay you. We're not going to end up paying you the rest of your contract that was guaranteed and kick you to the wind in a sense. Kind of a bummer. There's a lot of great things about Derek Carr. I got to say, even with his ups and downs,
00:23:12
Speaker
That guy's played great. Maybe the last three seasons haven't been all that we've been hoping for as Raiders fans, especially with those massive additions to the offense. But then again, there's a whole other conversation to be said about the defense as well.
00:23:31
Speaker
I feel like our defense has been lacking for so long, right? Yeah, you guys have a tough time with the defense for sure. But would you take Carr back this year if the Raiders didn't chip him off? Would you want, as a Raiders fan, do you want Carr back in your team? Do you give him another chance? Do you hold on to that? Or would this powerful of an offense and the amount of time that he's had to do something and he hasn't really done much, do you move on?
Derek Carr's Potential with a New Team
00:23:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think with the system that's in place right now with McDaniel's and Ziegler's, the GM, I think it's probably the right move. Carr definitely showed that
00:24:12
Speaker
It was not a great fit for him, per se. I think he had a lot of opportunities to really do some stuff this season. And we can all say that we saw him overthrow Devontae Adams multiple times and overthrow wide receivers, not hit open man. There's so much that can be said.
00:24:36
Speaker
As an organization i get it with kind of the way that they're moving another thing i saw recently was how. Mcdaniels and ziegler really want to move in there guys right which is kind of a telltale signs kinda like oh.
00:24:55
Speaker
So you were just kind of trying to get through this past season. It was kind of weird. It was like, why wouldn't you just try and make it work with what you got? But I don't know. Regardless, seeing that was just a little like, oh, maybe this was a season that was already kind of thrown away by them because they were just working with what they had rather than with what they wanted.
00:25:15
Speaker
South. Yeah, but what else could you want, though? I mean, in an offense, you got a top five running back in Josh Jacobs. You just signed Devonta Adams. You obviously just came there because Derek Carr was there. You got a top five tied in, one healthy Darren Waller. You got a decent offensive line. I mean, you got Hunter Renfro running the slot. It's just like, damn, I mean, I don't know what the issue was. I personally think that that was all Mike McDaniels. I think that guy is overrated as shit.
00:25:45
Speaker
I completely agree. I was just about to say, dude, in 2016, when Derek Carr was under Jack Del Rio, and he was comfortable, and he was doing his thing, man, I swear, that team was unbelievable.
Potential Teams for Derek Carr: Saints or Jets?
00:26:01
Speaker
I remember watching that first game versus New Orleans, and with seconds left in the fourth quarter, we scored.
00:26:09
Speaker
and then rather than going for the tie we go for two for the win and Crabshoe catches the frickin two-point conversion in the top left of the end zone and that was the start to our season and i just remember goosebumps
00:26:24
Speaker
literal goosebumps running through my, just ravaging my body, dude, and just being like, dude, there's something different this season. I swear. And, and, and here's my biggest thing. I think, I think car was comfortable in that offense. I think car was given the ability to maybe be a little bit more of a leader. Um,
00:26:46
Speaker
And then again, I mean since that time, I think the injury that he sustained that season wildly changed his playing style. I think the six coaching changes that have occurred since that time
00:26:59
Speaker
have been a very, I mean, that's very difficult, right? Going through that many different offensive schemes and coaches and coaching staff. I mean, what else is a guy to do? I mean, there's only so much, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, right? I mean, how many new tricks can you teach somebody before it's like, there's just too much, like, I want to be able to do what I want to do, right?
00:27:25
Speaker
Yeah, totally. I mean, kind of going off what you said too, I mean, with the six coaching changes and all that car dealt with and while being a member of that team, I mean, obviously, I mean, Derek Carr, I think we can all agree he's not, he is not a terrible, like he is not one of those quarterbacks that you look at and you go, that guy's not good, right? He is, he is top caliber when he's at his best. And in my opinion, although it was kind of a,
00:27:53
Speaker
a weird situation on how it was handled when he was released and how he was unhappy and all that. I personally think it was time for him to find a new home and for the Raiders, I mean, to move on and find their next franchise quarterback. Because I think, like you both mentioned, that you gave a guy like Derek Carr all those years and to get over that hump, right? But with that injury, I mean, he hasn't been
00:28:23
Speaker
He was an MVP race that year. And since that year, he has completely just dropped off, not in terms of talent, but I think just the situation was too much for him. And I think he is the perfect candidate for a new team. And I mean, that moves into my next question for you, Mario. There's
Raiders' Next QB: Rodgers or a Rookie?
00:28:43
Speaker
a lot of reports, you know, Derek Carr's already making visits, getting calls from different teams and all that. For example,
00:28:52
Speaker
the New Orleans Saints are on that list, as well as the New York Jets. But those are just two teams that are in desperate need of a quarterback. What franchise do you see as a great fit? Not necessarily that you think that you will see him in that uniform next year, but what team do you think should go after a guy like Derek Carr?
00:29:13
Speaker
That's a great question. I mean, yeah, Derek deserves, you know, another chance for sure. I mean, when you look at his numbers, he's pretty much leading the Raiders in every category. There is passing yards, touchdowns, all that stuff. Completions. Yeah, completions, you know, whatever you want to say, he's pretty much owning every record. He's going to get another chance.
00:29:33
Speaker
You said the Saints, I think personally that the Saints are in the driver's seat in this one. I think he's one of those quarterbacks that for them would fit in that offense with Alvin Kamara obviously having a running back that he can dump. Derek Carr's not a guy to take these deep shots all the time. That's never really who he's been with a running back like Kamara to fall back onto.
00:29:55
Speaker
I think that is an attraction for him personally. I could also see him going to the Jets, obviously with the defense there, they're in need of a quarterback. But with my gut feeling, I'm thinking Saints. So yeah, Paige, what do you think? Yeah, no, I do nothing but agree. I would honestly like to see Derek Carr in the Saints uniform.
00:30:17
Speaker
Um, you know, definitely some big, big shoes to fill there with, uh, with the exit of juberies, obviously, uh, no shoes have not been filled since he has left. Um, I was always a big fan of juberies. I've always been a big fan of the saints. Um, so I think, I think car could go there and easily flourish. Um, and I think it'd be pretty cool for that to have to happen, especially in the wake of, of, you know, juberies leaving the NFL. Um, so.
00:30:46
Speaker
Again, I mean I could see him also maybe going to the commanders There's a dark horse. Yeah, here's another that's another franchise that has just been in But kind of going with off what you said Page about, you know with the accident drew breeze the Saints, you know also in that dire need of a quarterback I think that
00:31:15
Speaker
I think we're, I'm agreeing with both of you here. I think the saints are the perfect fit because like you said, Maro, Derek Carr is not that, you know, beat you over the top, um, carve you up kind of quarterback. He is the type of guy, you know, he likes his checkdowns. He likes, you know, having a reliable weapons on the outside. And I mean, the saints, obviously Michael Thomas. I mean, that guy has just been, ever since he broke that receiving yards record, he's been,
00:31:43
Speaker
dealing with injury, but who knows if he's going to be back. So there's a weapon and then Camara, like you said, but I think that he, him in a saint's uniform is becoming more and more like realistic, I think. And I think that'd be a great fit. But I mean, now with the Raiders vacancy, the page like,
00:32:02
Speaker
You know, obviously before Tom Brady announces retirement, you heard reports that, you know, he might be interested in reuniting with Josh McDaniels, you know, his long lost or offensive coordinator in New England. Yeah. But I mean, now that you guys kind of.
00:32:19
Speaker
that he's no longer an option for you, what do you guys do from here? I don't know where you guys are in the draft, but do you guys maybe trade up to get a quarterback? Or are you waiting for a big name like an Aaron Rodgers, which we'll get into him later, Lamar Jackson, those type of guys? Where do you guys go from here as a franchise?
00:32:43
Speaker
Yeah, they've definitely left us wondering, right? I mean, there's not a whole lot of depth. I don't think Olstitum is gonna be the starting guy there. I mean, it's kind of moments like this where it was a bit of a bummer to lose people like Marcus Mariota. I mean, he had a pretty good season in Atlanta, not the best of all time or anything, but certainly that depth and that experience in the depth of the quarterbacks.
00:33:13
Speaker
would have been nice to have but in all honesty I kind of see us either like you said making a making a jump in the draft and trying to get one of those quarterbacks or you know
00:33:28
Speaker
getting a fixer upper for a couple years, maybe see bringing Aaron Rodgers, see what he can do, see if he's got anything left than tank.
Aaron Rodgers' Future: Raiders or Elsewhere?
00:33:36
Speaker
I mean, I think he does. I think. Yeah. I mean, and then you also got Devontae right there too. It's true. That chemistry comes back just like full bore. I mean, those two were unbelievable together. So from my current standpoint,
00:33:52
Speaker
I kind of want to see Aaron Rodgers come over to the Raiders and see what he can do. Just because I know who he is, I know what he does. Chico, so what can I say? I think that would be pretty fun to see those two reunite and see what comes of it.
00:34:12
Speaker
Yeah, that's it. Now this is a perfect transition to talk about Aaron Rodgers. I mean, he is another one of those big names on that quarterback carousel that is going to be going on this offseason. And I mean, he spent his 18 year career in Green Bay. It's another one of those things. I mean, every offseason you hear, is he coming back? Is he retiring? But
00:34:36
Speaker
He's just got drama all around him, right? But I think that he is another guy that he either needs to retire or find a new team, because I think he is just treating the Packers with so much disrespect. Year after year, he's in that hiatus of, oh, I'm not going to let him know whether or not I'm coming back until the very last minute. And the Packers got a guy like Jordan Love waiting right behind him to develop and everything.
00:35:06
Speaker
But I mean, Mario, so if the Packers do in fact let Aaron Rodgers walk and decide where he wants to go in the soft season, I mean, Jordan Love in Green Bay, is he the answer? Because we haven't seen much action for him in game.
00:35:25
Speaker
I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, that's interesting you asked me that because the only time I've actually truly watched Jordan Love is actually this year when Aaron Rodgers went down, went down versus the Eagles and he came in and he actually, the actor didn't play too bad. He was decent. Yeah, he was, he wasn't bad that game. Do I think he can fill Aaron Rodgers shoes? That's a tough question to answer. I don't think so. I mean, that's just a, for anyone, that's just hard to, you know, come by.
00:35:50
Speaker
I don't know where he ends up, honestly, because I would love to see him at the Raiders. I feel like he has that attraction to Devontae, a good offense. Going there makes sense. But I don't know, man. I mean, you've got a couple other teams in the running too. I've heard whispers of the Jets as a big landing spot for him as well. That would make sense.
00:36:11
Speaker
Titans But like I don't think he's you know, when we when we think about Aaron Rodgers, he's not gonna go to NFC I think the Packers can you guys confirm the Packers said they weren't gonna trade him to NFC team, right? No. Yeah, it's been So pretty sure confirm that, you know, obviously the Niners with their situation a quarterback day were a team that Could possibly you know make calls for a guy like Aaron Rodgers and even before Brady retired There was rumors he might go there. But I think I mentioned this like last episode I'm
00:36:41
Speaker
I'm a believer that there's this almost unwritten rule in the NFL that you do not trade your star quarterback or let alone just star player within the conference because the last thing you want to happen is play him and have him beat your ass. Yeah, but think about this. Think about this because you got last time this kind of rings about Brett Favre. Who do they trade Brett Favre to? The Minnesota Vikings. What are they thinking? I think they learned their lesson.
00:37:07
Speaker
They did. They totally did. But to go off that, right, you mentioned that Jordan Love, it's going to be a very like tall task for him to be the answer to fill those shoes of Aaron Rodgers. The Packers, I mean, if you think about it, the last 25 years, they have been so fortunate that they went from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers for, and they've just had those two guys leading their team for the last frickin'
00:37:35
Speaker
forever in our lifetime, literally in all our lifetimes. But it's really interesting to think or to just wonder where he will end up. But I honestly think the New York Jets is or the Raiders like
Lamar Jackson's Contract and Trade Scenarios
00:37:51
Speaker
we both like we all mentioned are great possibilities because
00:37:55
Speaker
I also believe that these star players, they're really big on going to big-time cities. And with Vegas being the way it is, that's a really popular city to live in. And as well as the Big Apple in New York, no one will say that they would not want to live there and play for a team in New York.
00:38:22
Speaker
I think so now that we've kind of gone through Carr and Rogers, another guy that is surprisingly on the radar as well for teams this offseason is Lamar Jackson.
00:38:36
Speaker
And it is crazy to think that guy is, I mean, there's reports that he's not happy with what the Ravens are offering him in terms of a contract extension, because he's got so many different players to live up to, like the Josh Allens, the Kyler Murray's, those guys are getting contracts that are out of this world. And Lamar believes that he deserves that. And I could agree with him. I do think that he does deserve that. He definitely does.
00:39:05
Speaker
I also have to think that you can't not look at his injuries as well. And I think that plays a big factor on why the Ravens are so hesitant to extend him with his contract. But I mean, Paige, you just said that you do agree that he deserves that contract extension. So if you're the Ravens, I mean, do you make it happen and do not let him walk away?
00:39:31
Speaker
I mean, that's a guy who's stuck around for you, right? I mean, last season he wanted that money, right? He was chasing it, but...
00:39:41
Speaker
they didn't give it to him. And he still stuck around and was like, you know what? Well, I'm gonna show you then. I'm gonna show you what I'm made of and I'm gonna show you what I can do. And, you know, yeah, it sucks he got hurt. But then again, he's Lamar Jackson. He's a mobile quarterback. That's the risky take, right? With a guy like that. So, I don't know. If you're the Baltimore Ravens, I think you gotta give him a chance. I think you gotta go for it. I mean,
00:40:10
Speaker
What else is there? I mean, you got Lamar freaking Jackson. That's insane. I mean, he's a walking video game, right? Like, yeah. Come on. I think that's got to mean something. So I get where you're coming from on the whole injury thing and the injury that he sustained this season. I get that. But I think that's a risk worth taking with a guy like Al Jax. So totally. And then I mean, Mario, there's been reports, you know, that the
00:40:40
Speaker
The bearers do in fact have the number one pick in this year's NFL draft, but there's been reports that a lot of these analysts out there are saying that the most realistic landing spot for Lamar Jackson is
00:40:56
Speaker
Are you ready for it? The Chicago Bears. What? Yeah, literally a straight swap, Justin Fields for Lamar Jackson. Before you guys react, I know it's crazy to think, but the Bears, they have a ton of cap space, so they do have the money to pay Lamar Jackson if the Ravens don't want to. What I've been hearing is the Ravens see Justin Fields
00:41:22
Speaker
you know, with the year he just had as a good replacement in that offense. Because I mean, John Harbaugh in Baltimore, he loves that, you know, run first mentality. He loves getting the quarterback moving. And I mean, we can all agree Justin Fields had that type of year. But Mario, I mean, do you think that that is a good, like,
00:41:42
Speaker
trade situation for the Ravens or do you think they're getting, they're getting screwed there? I mean, first of all, why, especially for the, when I think about it, when I think from the bear side, why, why would the bears want to do that? Because I mean, you got Jesse Fields, he's, you know, he's, you know, two years in the league, two or three years in, he's still on his rookie contract. Then you're basically just swapping and skipping to pay a guy a bunch of money. Um, when Fields hasn't even shown his full potential yet. And you know, Lamar,
00:42:11
Speaker
Lamar has a great quarterback. I don't know why everyone keeps, you know, saying, you know, he shouldn't move somewhere. I guess he's just not getting paid, but you got to look for the Ravens. It's like anytime you have a quarterback that's going to, you know, progressively get better. You have the Jalen hurts, got better and better. He's going to get the contract. Josh Allen's got better and better. He's going to get the contract. Why aren't the Ravens willing to give that up? I just,
Bears' Draft Strategy: Trade or Build Around Fields?
00:42:32
Speaker
I mean, who is, who are the Ravens paying that is really that much money that they don't have the money to pay? You know? Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:40
Speaker
Yeah, I honestly think that it doesn't even come down to whether or not they have the money to pay him. I personally think that it all comes down to they fear how he's been injury riddled to start his career.
00:42:57
Speaker
Lamar Jackson. And obviously, like you said, the straight swap is kind of interesting because I don't think that that's an upgrade whatsoever for the Ravens. But with that number one pick in the draft, though, too, they
00:43:14
Speaker
If they don't, so say they don't make that trade, right, Paige, with the Bears, or with the Bears with the Ravens, do you think that the Bears with that number one pick, do they trade out of it and get more picks so that, because obviously there's a lot of quarterbacks that are coming into this draft that are like, a lot of these teams are well aware they're going to go early on, right? It's going to be quarterback getting taken. So do the Bears, there's been reports that they might,
00:43:44
Speaker
they might draft a guy like Bryce Young at Alabama. But I mean, do you think that Justin Fields, you've got to let him just continue to progress in Chicago? Absolutely. I mean, coming off the season that Justin Fields just had, I think you would be a little bit insane not to give him another year at least. And I think you could trade away that pick
00:44:12
Speaker
and still get something pretty decent out of it. You know, at least maybe some money in another pick somewhere else or, you know, whatever it may be, maybe a couple picks. I mean, there, here's my thing. I don't think they're hurting for a quarterback right now. I mean, Justin Fields just had one of the best fricking, if not the best season of his life. So in all honesty, I would say, why wouldn't you like, why would you take a guy like, you know,
00:44:43
Speaker
Why would you take a guy there? I just think that's silly. I think you can make up some value elsewhere if you were to save that and trade the pick.
00:44:52
Speaker
Totally. I mean, Justin Fields is, I mean, I think it was very apparent this year that, I mean, that guy was running for his life and still making play after play. So I agree with you there. I think that the Bears would be smart to trade out of that pick and maybe get a couple, like two or three first rounders and build around Justin Fields. Because I do think he is the future there. Totally.
Dak Prescott's Future with the Cowboys
00:45:18
Speaker
And you can't just bail on him now.
00:45:21
Speaker
But, um, this now, I mean, I mean, there's just three right off the bat, uh, big names that could be on the move. But, uh, another one that, you know, it's, there's been reports that he's remaining very like stationary, like where he's at, uh, currently, uh, but Dak Prescott, right? Is he just, is he going to be on the move? Cause he's another one of those guys that is very like,
00:45:51
Speaker
just up and down when it comes to the playoffs. And the Cowboys are the type of organization that I wouldn't be surprised if they end up just bailing on them.
00:46:01
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, here's, here's what I have to say. I've seen that guy play a lot of football. I've seen him play some great games. I've seen him play some horrible games in games where he shouldn't have even played that bad. I mean, right when they're in the playoffs with Amari Cooper and CD lamb and Michael Gallup and Dalton. I mean, all those guys, he had all of those weapons, Zeke Pollard, all of them.
00:46:26
Speaker
And they just couldn't get anything going offensively? That's just crazy to me. That was just insane. I mean, was it him who got sacked by Atlanta like four or five times or something like that? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong team. But I could have sworn the last time that they were in the playoffs, they had a rough go. I mean, a rough go. And it was like, you guys are supposed to be the best offense in the NFL this year. I mean, you're the top ranked.
00:46:55
Speaker
Or at least like what the heck's going on here? Right. Oh, exactly. I mean, all the points you just made, I totally agree. And one of the main things, though, that is very shocking to me is that a team of, I mean,
00:47:16
Speaker
America's team, the Dallas Cowboys, right? They just cannot get over that hump in the playoffs. But I don't see them, you know, trading doc for a replacement. I think that you got to just continue to ride him out until he, he retires and just go from there. But, um, it's pretty interesting. And now, I mean, uh,
00:47:43
Speaker
Going into the last season, you know, in Miami, there was a lot of reports that Tua talking about Loa is not the guy, but, you know, now with Tyree Hill coming in, Jaylen Watt on the outside, Mike McDaniel coming in being that offensive-minded coach that Tua needed. He showed ups and downs this year. You know, he started the year off hot, got some wins against, I mean,
00:48:09
Speaker
When you look back at it on the schedules against some pretty poor teams, but then once he saw, you know, playoff teams, he sort of struggled.
Tua's Last Chance with the Dolphins?
00:48:17
Speaker
But I mean, Paige, do you think that he is going to he's got one more shot? Like, is this the last year? Because it's been now a couple of years since they drafted him.
00:48:28
Speaker
But a team like the Miami Dolphins, they are another team that I feel like they just want to cut the crop and they give them three strikes. This is it. This upcoming season. And if you can't perform, we're shipping you. What do you think?
00:48:43
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, what I have to say is that I think down that stretch to, um, to it was dealing with a lot of injuries. I mean, his whole concussion, his scary concussion sequel, right? Oh yeah. I mean, that whole thing was like, what are you doing? Why is he still out on the field type stuff? Right.
00:49:05
Speaker
So I don't know. I felt like they pushed him maybe a little too hard at points or maybe he pushed himself a little too hard, whatever it may have been. Right. So in all honesty, I feel like he got to give the guy one more year.
00:49:20
Speaker
Um, that's, that's just me. I mean, I felt like he performed really well. I feel like, um, he had some really unfortunate injuries, especially when it's that head, the head injury that messes with people and, and, and having that happen at the quarterback position too, where you are the mind of the offense and you're conducting people and running plays. I mean, serving the field, making gut calls, changing plays, whatever it may be. I mean, I, I feel like a lot of that has to.
00:49:49
Speaker
come into play, especially with a head injury like that. So him personally, he did, I think was extremely impressive this year. Um, and I think he's the man there. If he can stay healthy and he keeps his head on straight and he, you know, not maybe get two or three concussions, whatever he had this season, if he can keep his head on straight, I think he's going to be solid. So.
Bills and Raiders' Potential Next Season
00:50:15
Speaker
No, I agree. I think that a guy like to he gets a lot of hate. But like you said, I mean, dealing with those injuries, he wasn't the same since that, you know, fiasco on the field when I mean, he could he passed out and he couldn't even move his extremities and all that. But you got to give him one last shot. Because the reason why I ask is because
00:50:37
Speaker
The Dolphins are one of those teams that are involved in landing a guy like Aaron Rodgers, a guy like Lamar Jackson, those type of guys. But I totally agree with you there. You got to give Thio one more shot. And I think he's the guy there for now, totally. And for those who are wondering why Mario hasn't been talking, I think we might have lost him. He's dealing with some bad weather out in Sacramento area. Yeah.
00:51:06
Speaker
pretty unfortunate that this happened while we were on air, but, um, he will be back next episode, but, uh, can you hear me? So it's me and the rest of the way, uh, go. We've got a little bit of time left. Um, I mean, just to recap, I mean, what a Superbowl great end of the year and, uh, ton of noobs that could happen this off season at the quarterback position. And I,
00:51:34
Speaker
love. Even though it's a, it's a downtime year that the NFL season is over. I love, you know, just kicking back, eating my popcorn and just waiting for things to unfold, uh, trading wise and acquisition wise throughout the NFL because it's one of those sportsmans that
00:51:52
Speaker
there's just something going on every single day. And now that we talked about, you know, the Super Bowl and with the quarterback Carousel and all that heading into next season, I know this is, you know, we're going to call this the way too early prediction, but what team do you see like sort of making coming out of the rafters very dark horse and
00:52:20
Speaker
like being very, you know, casually sneaking their way in to the playoffs and making a run.
00:52:28
Speaker
I mean, again, we'll see how, you know, obviously moves play out this season. While I'd like to say the Raiders, I just, I don't think that that's really going to be all that plausible. I mean, if we land a guy like Aaron Rodgers, maybe, maybe somehow they make that happen. Finally. And that, that, that fricking Aaron Rodgers to Devontae Adam connection is just unbeatable again. And if that's the case,
00:52:53
Speaker
I mean, if they get somewhat of a defense out there, I think that offense is too scary, man. So we'll see. I think the Raiders could have a shot at it if they play their cards right.
Rams' Comeback Potential
00:53:05
Speaker
But in all honesty, maybe not even so much of a dark horse, but just a team I'd like to see there and to get it done would be the Buffalo Bills. I would really like to see them make it to a Super Bowl with the team that they have.
00:53:20
Speaker
I mean, that's kind of who I'm rooting for. Besides the Raiders next season is is is freaking Buffalo. I mean, I just feel like they've they've got it. They've got what it takes. And they've just unfortunately not made it, you know, totally. Going up against guys like Joe Burrow in the playoffs and the whole thing that's going on in Cincinnati is just insane. I mean, those guys are playing great football and that's tough, you know, so.
00:53:49
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe their head got in the game a little bit too much this postseason. It didn't really look like they were playing that backyard football like they're accustomed to. But I would say I'd really like to see the Buffalo Bills go all the way next year, man. They're a fun team to watch, and I freaking love Josh Allen.
00:54:09
Speaker
Yep, totally. And what a surprise during that whole spiel when Paige was talking. Mario's back from the dead, everyone. He figured out his technical difficulties. Mario, so where are we left off at?
00:54:29
Speaker
Obviously, you don't really know what, obviously, Paige just kind of talked about, I asked him, what team do you see next year in the NFL sort of, you know, making, being a dark horse and making a run to win the Super Bowl?
00:55:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:37
Speaker
That's it. I like that pick a lot. I really like it. Me too. Another team I'm going to mention, I know you guys are going to think I'm being a homer. Yeah, if you stay in the Rams, do it. The Rams will be back next year in the playoffs, boys. They will.
00:56:00
Speaker
From the top to the bottom to the top again, there's just no way I'm not I'm not predicting Super Bowl victory right now. Okay, I'm saying they will be back in the playoffs next year and Dude Matthew Stafford was injured all year. We had a record-setting 15 different starting offensive ones this year
00:56:25
Speaker
Who knows how the heck like Cooper Cooper cuff went down. I mean, like I said, not predicting anything too extreme, but I do think the NFC is weak next year. I mean, guys, think about it. Aaron Rodgers might be on the move. Tom Brady's gone. The Niners quarterback situation. Who knows what's going to happen there? Yeah. And I mean, obviously your Eagles, Mario, they'll be back with jail and hurts at the home. And then.
00:56:56
Speaker
I hate to say it, but even though the Cowboys do let down the entire population every year when it comes to the playoffs, you can't count them out. But I think the Rams will be right in the mix there. I
Fantasy Football League Memories
00:57:07
Speaker
really do. I don't know, man. Dude.
00:57:21
Speaker
One thing that I don't think you know is they got a lot of, just like the Eagles, they have a lot of players that could be on the move because they don't have the money to sign them. Yeah, cap space. Cap space issues. That's true. Cap space issues. What I'll say is, in all honesty, I think Matt Stafford is a pretty impressive quarterback. I mean, only behind Derek Carr since 2015.
00:57:46
Speaker
Uh, is, is Matt Stafford sitting at number two for, uh, the most fourth quarter and game winning drives. Yeah. So, uh, him sitting at 19 and Derek Carr sitting at 23. So. Damn. That's an interesting step because all I think about when I.
00:58:07
Speaker
watch my team is the negatives. And I just know Matthew Stafford, I mean, I think he leads the lead by a landslide in terms of pick sixes. So hopefully he can work on those next year. But I was surprised to see that stat. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have guessed Stafford there only for that, that very same reason that you just brought up dos with, with the six and the interceptions. So yeah, totally.
00:58:31
Speaker
Totally. So yeah, now with Mario back, I mean, just to recap, I mean, we all along with I think most of the population, we couldn't ask for anything better in terms of that Super Bowl game.
00:58:44
Speaker
I mean, what a great ending to another great season and can't wait to run it back next year in fantasy with you boys again. Oh, yeah. Paige, are you coming back or? I will. I will. I might be a salty bastard, but.
00:59:10
Speaker
Not even the top, just the middle, for Christ's sake, man. I mean, I don't think I've ever played worse in the fantasy league. It's that bad. I just can't do anything right. But hey, you know what? Third, here's the charm. Third time's the charm. I'm going to be back. I'm not giving up on you boys yet. And we'll see what we can make happen next year. Yes, sir. I love our league. Me too. Because all of us are knowledgeable about football.
00:59:41
Speaker
every week. It's a tough matchup because all of us know what we're doing in the waiver wire. All of us know how to draft and it's going to be another great year next year, but that pretty much wraps up our
00:59:56
Speaker
our fourth episode of Going for Two. Sweet. Another great episode, just talking sports with these two boys. Paige, it was an honor to have you maybe sometime again in the future. I would love that. It was an absolute pleasure, boys. Seriously, thank you so much. I love
Episode Conclusion and Next Preview
01:00:14
Speaker
talking shop, love talking fantasy, love talking football, all things NFL and Derek Carr. Thanks for having me on, boys, and it was an absolute pleasure. I hope to do it again soon.
01:00:43
Speaker
Agreed. Nice. So on behalf of us here at Goin' for Two, thank you all again for tuning in and listening. It means a lot to us.
01:00:55
Speaker
We'll be back next week. I think Mario is gonna be traveling for school. So I'm gonna have a surprise co-host that you guys will be interested to see what he's got to say, but stay tuned for that. But again, thank you for listening and we'll see you next week. Thanks.