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Speaker: Welcome to Wine Mama, a podcast for two bestie moms, whine while they whine. I'm Annie. And I'm Jemina. Let's whine. Today, we are so excited to have our next guest join us. She's a registered dietitian and prenatal nutrition expert who helps women navigate nutrition through fertility, pregnancy, postpartum, and beyond. She's here to help us separate the facts from all the confusing and sometimes downright overwhelming nutrition advice women hear. So settle in because we're talking food, pregnancy, mom life, and everything in between. Welcome to Wine Mama, Haley. ah Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker: We are so excited to have you and to finally be recording. If you all just knew the trauma we endured prior to this recording. Hayley is now one of us. You're that meme. It's like one or that you like but one of us. Hayley is now one of us because we just spent almost an hour troubleshooting.
Speaker: troubleshootings So welcome. And thank you so much for joining us. And for your patience. And for your patience. And for your patience. Tell our listeners a little bit um a little bit about you Well, okay. So my name is Haley Misquick. I am a registered licensed dietitian here in Minnesota. um i have been a dietitian for 13 years now. um I have a gosh, of such a variety of a background. I started in like the public health space, Women, Infant, and Children's Program.
Speaker: I've worked in like food service with like a Head Start, an early Head Start agency. have my own private practice now, but I've also worked in policy systems and environment space of like policies actually being implemented in school districts and in food shelves and all of that great stuff. so I feel like it just like helps me with a little bit of a different lens on when I'm like working with women on really understanding the importance of meeting women where they're at and and using specifically where they're at to help guide them versus like completely overhaul. So I have two boys. They're about to be six and three. um and
Speaker: I, yeah, that's about it. I'm married. I have a husband. Um, yeah, there's anything outdoors. That's where you'll find me. if I'm not doing like my passion of work, doing stuff with nutrition, you'll find me outside probably trying to throw a football and kick a soccer ball at the same time because I have two boys. So.
Speaker: You should have seen guys. Before I was on this podcast, I got on this podcast tonight. I was at a baseball field with my six-year-old who wanted to play baseball, and he has all catcher gear or ump gear on. And I had to wear like, like a helmet and all kinds of, yeah, just raw, like raw life. That is, that is what I'm doing. Running bases, playing imaginary baseball kind of stuff. You know, that's just what is mother had baby spare time that's mother yeah I love it. So my house always was chaos made to be a boy mom. It sounds like.
Speaker: Yeah, I feel like I was made to be a boy mom. um But yeah, it's definitely a different, ah you know, there's definitely outdoorsy and fun and sportsy, kind of tomboyish kind of girls. But having two boys and being a boy mom definitely takes that even up a notch.
Speaker: I can level up. Yes. Yeah. You definitely do level up. yeah Yeah. Well, you have a very extensive background and I was not aware of all that. I'm now like, wow, I have so many questions about other things, but we'll focus on kind of like the prenatal fertility kind of side of this. So what made you specifically want to focus on fertility, pregnancy, postpartum, like that type of nutrition, like where,
Speaker: Where did you kind of decide, like, this is the the place I want to be? So honestly, i mean really at the end of the day, I i feel like i found it found me. Like, I just think, like, there's so many different parts of my life that, like, led me into this space. Because, like, my dietetic internship was on childhood ado and adolescent, like, um obesity, And that that was like the specialization and focus there. I nannied as a, and as like when I was younger, i'm the oldest grandchild um on my mom's side. So I've always been in like this space. And then when I got out of my dietetic internship, I was hired into the Women Infant and Children program right away. i was like my first job. And I did that.
Speaker: I did it in North Carolina. I went to college in North Carolina, fun fact. And then when I moved back to Minnesota, i also worked for the Women, Infant and Children program, way too different demographics. um But um honestly, I like i can't den like I can't deny the research either, because really, when you look at it, like I love women's health overall in general. But when you look at and I love kids and all of that great stuff. But at the same time, when you look at the research on how in packed full of females nutrition and her lifestyle and where her health is at the time of conception. And even before that, right, like eggs are like three generations impact, like the kid you're having, right? Because if you're because you think like your daughters, right, Annie, they have their eggs right now. So like when you have them in utero, like those eggs were there.
Speaker: Like you, your body created those. And so your like all of your stuff is there. And so it's like your mom from, you know what I mean? Like there's so much. why and so it's just like, you can't, you just can't deny like how impactful that research really is. Like if you, like, I guess like when I look at childhood obesity and like these chronic conditions we have, it the impact starts with conception.
Speaker: And so you just can't deny that. And then when I started, like I had worked in the pregnancy world, like with women and children up to the age five. um I mean, a solid, since I've been a dietitian for 13 years. so So for a solid five, six years before I even started trying to conceive. And I knew how and how ah much it mattered of like how your health is when you conceived.
Speaker: But i literally sat there being like, So how do I make sure that I am like a good, like how that I'm good? Like my husband thought I went like crazy because I was just like, I don't know. Like, gotda and then like, when I stepped back, like even as a dietitian, I was freaking out going like, how do i make sure? And like, I got that same,
Speaker: blanket statement advice of like, hey, all got to do is just like pull out your birth control, like stop taking it, have a cycle and then just start trying. and I'm like, there's got to be more to this than that. Like, how do I know that I'm in good health? Like I haven't had a period for like, know?
Speaker: a years at that point. I'm like, what do I even know what my period, like, what does that even look like? When am I ovulating? Like all of these questions that I had. And then even through my pregnancies, like I love OBs. I love midwives. They totally have a place, but I just felt like they didn't answer any of my questions. And then when i had questions that were like ahead, I got told like,
Speaker: Oh, we'll get to that. and I'm like, but you told me to come with questions. And then now I came with questions. Right. And you're telling me that my questions aren't relevant to where I am in pregnancy. So like, why did I waste all that time? So I just, there's just so much to it. And now that I've been in this space for so long, there's so much that like, you're not getting in a conventional setting that I just feel like women deserve better.
Speaker: hmm. That's such a good point. I never thought of it that way of like, come with questions, things like that. And it's like, you're asking legitimate questions and they're just, you know, I'm sure they like try not to brush her off, but clearly they don't know the answer. So they brush it off, right? Like, hmm.
Speaker: We'll talk about that later. know Yeah. Like, oh, we'll get to that. and i'm like, but I, but that's like, if you're asking me what I'm concerned about, like, that's what I'm concerned about. like I, like I, I've got this pregnancy thing going on. Like I was asking like, okay, like what about birth? Like, what about postpartum? Like, what about those spaces? And they're like, oh, we'll get there. And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker: Well, like, wait, yeah, it's like, wait, I want my, I want my answers. I want my answers now. So a with my book, yes, i I hear, let me, let me pull my notes, my notes app, you guys, my notes app has every thought that goes in my mind. Um, also, I just saw you take, take a sip of your drink. You guys, we didn't mention we are drinking the Spindrift cause I'm drinking the cause no politon. Um, Haley, which one did you grab? It's like a non-alcoholic Yeah, I grabbed the, there was like a Fuji apple one that grabbed. So fun. And mocktailed it up.
Speaker: Yes. And so like these little like fun mocktail drinks that Spindrift does. So just wanted to throw that out there that we're drinking these. Jemina could not pronounce it. So I had to, I had to pronounce the Cosno, the Cosno Falden. I've embarrassed myself enough in front of Haley. Yeah. I can't. I will just say your liquidity. Okay. I'm just, I'm going to bow out. um Okay. But back to the questions, because now that we know that there's really so much that goes into the woman's, I don't know, reproductive system and just like our bodies in in general, what are the most important nutrients women should be thinking about during pregnancy and which ones get way more attention than they
Speaker: deserves It's kind of a two a twofold question there. Yeah, I really truly think well, so the thing is, is that I will put the caveat a caveat out there is that I honestly think that overall pregnancy nutrition is so generalized, because at the end of the day, like me, you. like we're not the same person. yeah and I will say like some of the, some of the nutrients that I don't think get enough hype is honestly like clothing is one of the number one, i will say, because it is getting a lot more of a spotlight these days, but it definitely it's taken a time to get there. Um, just because like we're finding more and more with research that clothing works very similarly to folate, which I kind of think folate sometimes is a little overrated. i mean, I get the fact like, um,
Speaker: I get the importance of it, but like folate doesn't work in isolation for neurotube defects or anything like that. And a lot of that stuff is actually happening and developed pretty, pretty, um, like almost done to, done being developed before you even get a positive pregnancy test. Or like if you're someone who's like tracking really well and taking a pregnancy test, like a lot of that stuff is already starting to take, be done when you get that positive test. And so I feel like for women to have to focus on that their whole first trimester and like that,
Speaker: that be something like it's like folate folic acid like that one I feel like it's a little bit overhyped because it it does its job like prior to that positive pregnancy test often and also too um it has like all vitamins and minerals work in synergy like everyone all vitamins minerals they have certain vitamins and minerals that are their friend and they have certain vitamins and minerals that aren't their friend and so to think that like one mineral or like one vitamin is doing like all of the work is really missing the whole fact of how your body works and so choline is another b vitamin Um, one I think is not like, doesn it doesn't get enough hype. Um, I'll say also magnesium, i like women don't understand how much that oftentimes because of how stressed out we are. Um, and there's things going on and just how our world is right now and our soil and all of that fun stuff. Um,
Speaker: Like how fast we burn through it. And then like, iron gets a lot of attention and it deserves attention. But the fact that it's cofactors, like if you don't have enough magnesium, you don't have enough like copper struggles and if copper struggles, iron struggles, right? So it's like that whole chain gets lost. um And so I just think that like iron gets the spotlight, but you forget that he like that iron needs its buddies to be able to be absorbed and to work and function in your body.
Speaker: I would say also like iodine is very also underrated. It's a huge one that your thyroid needs your thyroid, you know, your like during your first half of pregnancy.
Speaker: baby ah Baby is relying on your thyroid, so your thyroid needs a lot. And ah iodine is one of those ah ah one of those minerals that I would say is oftentimes overlooked on like how are you doing with your iodine intake.
Speaker: I would say those are the bigger ones. Is there any ones that you guys like have questions about that you hear about often? Because right like I have a different lens in this space. Yeah, I do because I actually recently saw your post and I found this so fascinating because- oh I, it's about the iron actually, because a guy was edemic during pregnancy. So i had to start taking an iron and I, I've just found your post so fascinating about like, what are they actually checking to make sure? Are they just throwing an iron pill your way? Well, unfortunately I really am, you know, low de deficit in iron and i never knew that like nutrient and vitamins have buddies. do You explained that perfectly because I did research and and
Speaker: I had take my iron pill, but I also have to take vitamin C with it because they're buddies. And i and this is sound awful, but as a nurse, you know, I my children, my family first and I neglected my health. So I let it just go. And I was taking two hour naps a day. night hair started falling out falling out And I, now I'm playing reboot. Right. And like now, mind you, this is a now moment, but like during pregnancy, I also was just like,
Speaker: You know, I'm just tired. I'm pregnant. You know, like I never realized I love that you explained. So I guess it's not really a question, but I do want you to kind of touch base on the hemoglobin ferritin. I thought that was so fascinating because thankfully, like my physician did check a ferritin because again, I have low iron and it's, it's a problem. High maintenance, low iron, you know? Um,
Speaker: So I was just like, I found that so fascinating. So I'm curious if you mind like sharing that a little bit, pal, because I don't think a lot of people will advocate for themselves because they don't know. I didn't know as a nurse, I didn't know. And now I'm in a forever trend of playing catch up. I feel like.
Speaker: Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a very depth of this as well. um Iron isn't, i think everyone wants iron to be very simplistic and iron's not simplistic. Like I'll tell you too, like if you have anything going on, like with stomach acid or gut issues, iron is going to be sacrificed.
Speaker: um And so oftentimes too, like when iron's not getting like when iron's not increasing and ferritin's not increasing with good adherence, Oftentimes there's a deeper issue going on. um Hemoglobin, the reason why I dislike the fact that hemoglobin is used, especially during pregnancy, is because that like hemoglobin can be low in pregnancy because of your normal hemodilution. Because things start to expand in all ah blood volume, all of that stuff, it is natural for your body to have like this like catch-up period. like it's a very That's why there are pregnancy ranges.
Speaker: And oftentimes like when you're getting labs done, everything's on the standard ranges, which those standard ranges, one are diagnostic ranges, but two, they're also not pregnancy ranges. And so they're not accounting for that. Like hemoglobin can be low because your folate's low, like because you have B12 that's low because you have um low like also low iron, like all of those things impact it, but iron's not the only thing that impacts it.
Speaker: Ferritin is like your body's storage of iron. So I like to check ferritin and also like other, so like also you need like serum iron should be grabbed too. Like hemoglobin is not serum iron. Serum iron is what actually is the amount of iron that's in your blood, right? Ferritin is like, what is your body storing for iron? What is its backup pretty much? Where is its backup battery? And how full is its backup battery?
Speaker: um And so I like to look at iron labs, I check iron labs every single trimester, and definitely I'm taking them pre pregnancy if I get the opportunity to, because my thing is like, I want to look at your trend, right? Because oftentimes, like you also have an iron recycling system, like you need about 25 milligrams.
Speaker: or yes, 25 milligrams of iron a day and your body recycles about 24 a day. um And so really, if like, there's a one that like, there's one little guy that's missing, right?
Speaker: um And so that's why you have to like, look at the whole system. And it really it's like getting into the Like as a nurse, you would know like the Krebs cycle and all of that breakdown, right? And so that's why I don't like the fact that like hemoglobin is just looked at and then like ferritin is just looked at because you're then you're also missing.
Speaker: That's why I like to pull an iron panel and then also look at the cofactors. But this is what ends up happening is either i have clients who I'm paying attention to and then they have like a physician It like their OB b pulls it and then automatically just is like, Oh, your iron's low. And I don't know if you saw in that post too, like the, her physician said, Oh, this isn't her, her OB. b It was like, she was seeing a different ob b than her actual OB, b but her OB b like stepped into the appointment anyway. And then, but the OB that she was like on, like that was supposed to be her appointment was the one who read her labs.
Speaker: And it he's like, he said it it it would be, prudent of you if you look at the word prudent it's pretty much like means like you will be like responsible like if you're being a responsible human being um and please like fact check that but when I looked it up I like laughed because I was like did he write that or did AI write that because that's a very interesting word that I have not or is he English or like what's going on here yeah um But, but like then women get like fear monologued too. Like, oh my gosh, my hemoglobin's low. My iron's low. Why haven't we like, almost like, why haven't I been paying attention to this? Like I'm going to be anemic and I'm like, oh, like hold the phone here. Like, Let's take a step back. Let's get all of the data first. And then let's sit like, let's see what's going on. And then we know how to proceed because with iron deficiency, like there's levels of it. And based off of where you are at that level, where you are in your pregnancy really tells us like what path we can take, how aggressive do we need to be to get you to a good spot? Because we don't.
Speaker: I, I want my clients to be in a good spot when they're going into postpartum because I have no idea how delivery is going to go. sure And as you guys know, when you have that first child who comes home with you, you have no idea what's going on. And I'll speak for myself, but most women agree with me. Like you don't take care of yourself. And so I, I especially want,
Speaker: my Like any of my moms to to have a good storage going in, but at the same time, be realistic. Like we're not working against the body either, right? Because the body's intelligent.
Speaker: It knows like what it needs to do, but just keeping it in that optimal space. So Did that answer kind of your question there? yeah Like there's just more to it. And it's like, I can throw an iron pill at you all day. But if you don't have like enough copper, you don't have enough zinc, you don't have enough vitamin A, like, it's not going to do anything. And then iron, unfortunately, one of the and I, and I say this just so you are educated in this space of like, too much iron, like just being thrown on a system that can actually do something with it can cause oxidative stress.
Speaker: Right. Like we don't want an overload of iron either, like two. So it's always like we want to figure out what's going on and dig deeper so we know exactly what strategy we need to be going at.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I love that. That was incredibly helpful because I wish I would have known all of that while I was pregnant because, again, I just took an iron pill and thought that was going to fix it and not realizing, no, that I probably was low in iron pre-pregnancy and pregnancy just made it worse. Delivery probably made worse because I'm in that. When you deliver, especially deliver vaginal or C-section, there's a lot love lost there. Everything takes into account. So that is just like...
Speaker: super informative and I hope that at least helps one pregnant person or Anyone dealing with low iron and out there, because like I would have never until I like put myself to do the research. I always just thought, oh, the iron pill is going to fix it. It's going to be great. No, like there's buddies. I love that. Yeah. I'm telling people that was like, don't just focus on your deficit, like your deficit, focus on like the buddies along with it too, because they always combine.
Speaker: And iron has a lot of research that actually shows that taking it every other day, women absorb it better than taking it every day. So you can take the same amount of like you can take the same ah dose every day or take that same dose every other day. And we see the same amount of absorption happening from it. And so many women have the side effects from an a furious like sulfate is like so hard on your system. There is such more gentle forms of iron. Like if you need to take iron, like iron by glycinate is a great form. It's a gentle. Yes, take it with vitamin C. There's a there are iron supplements out there that have vitamin C in them too, that you can also just get so you don't have to worry about both of that thing together. But then taking it every other day is also a hot tip on that because you'll have less of the side effects. Like I can sometimes I see people where they, you know, they'll have good like bowel movements the day that they don't take it and the day that they do take it, they get a little bit backed up. But then it like helps kind of keep that regular too. Yeah.
Speaker: That's a very fun fact. The one that I take actually states to take it every other day and it comes with vitamin C. It doesn't tell you to take it. I've never seen an iron pill say that. i was like, but i I was all for I'm like, let me out every other day.
Speaker: Yeah. Right. Right. Right. I'm down for that. um So with that being said, you know, there's the nutrients there all this stuff, but there's also like, it feels like there's so many like pregnancy food rules. So like, what do you think are some of like the biggest food myths that you wish would disappear?
Speaker: Like, That you are just like, oh, you kind of like laugh at this point, like, oh my gosh, like this question again. Yeah. you know? You know, i really think it's like the fear around the fish consumption, like really is like, God, like,
Speaker: It's got to go to me. um And the reason why I say that is because like we actually have like good research that actually shows even women who can suit like our guidelines are very conservative.
Speaker: um And people think like, oh, I ate this like. this high level mercury fish once I'm going to have a mercury toxicity. And I'm like, sweetheart, like mercury toxicity is something we build up.
Speaker: Also fish has selenium in it, which binds to mercury and helps you excrete mercury. So it's like nature knew what it was doing, right? yeah like And nature will work its course.
Speaker: Yeah. And we see women who have actually a really high fish consumption and that are going over those conservative limits that we see a lot of iq benefits in their offspring.
Speaker: Interesting. Even for like ah like when they when they've done it at like their five, six, seven year mark too, post-pregnancy. And we still see serum levels of mercury um not that much higher. So it's like one of those things where...
Speaker: people are so afraid in the body. Like I have a lot of women who will crave it and it's because your body knows what it's doing. It knows that the nutrients it needs is found in that, right? Like we're looking at omegas, DHA, EPA, we're looking at selenium, we're looking at healthy fats. Like we're looking at so many protein, um you know, there's so many things that fish brings in that I feel like that's just one of the things that A lot of people already under consume that. Like Midwest isn't like a huge place for fish, right? Right. So it already takes effort for people to consume it. And then it makes it even like more fear.
Speaker: I would say also, gosh other myths that I kind of laugh at is, i think, i think the thing is, is that. i there's this lack of understanding the psychology that happens when you tell someone you can't have something. It's this, the brain wants it.
Speaker: So I don't understand why have we not caught up to like helping women focus on what they should be and what they need to increase. And like what to add into their diet versus like what they have to take out of their diet, because it just makes every woman like sit there and second and guess everything that they're putting in their mouth.
Speaker: And i mean, you see it right now, like we're having a bunch of foodborne illness outbreaks, but yeah we, we constantly see the fact too, that like produces are number one.
Speaker: Like, and really at the end of the day, and it's not to scare anybody, but like, there's not one food that's out there that's a hundred percent safe. Yeah. It's just not like you see recalls on packaged, like more what people would say, like our ultra processed foods, like, right and that's, that to me is also where,
Speaker: it's like you have to put this into context and you it's more so to like runny egg yolks like i could laugh at that it's like look at the quality of eggs you're eating like where are they coming from um And, you know, if you are some, it's like, again, a yolk has so many nutrients that you need.
Speaker: And if the only way you can eat them is that way, then like, let's, like, let's make that be something that you focus in on, like bumping your budget up for eggs a little bit. So you get a higher quality. egg Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And I'm all about like, honestly, I'm all about supporting your local farmer if you have that opportunity. um i mean, in the Midwest, we have farmers everywhere. And so it's like, get to know your farmer and buy from the farmer. Because most likely, i mean, a lot of people have backyard chickens in Minnesota. I don't know if that's a thing across the states, if everyone's just having their...
Speaker: Like a chicken thing going on, but everyone's trying, everyone's trying HOA hardcore rules though. Yes. But it's, it's just like some of those, it's just, there's, there's any food rule that's out there. There is a safer way to consume it. Like deli meat is one of the things it's like heat, heat it up.
Speaker: Mm-hmm. if you want to control the process, make your own deli meat. Like it doesn't take much effort for you to roast your own chicken breast and cut it into deli slices. Like, you know, it's just like you can make those decisions, but it's like,
Speaker: why aren't we just telling women like, Hey, if you'd like a deli meat, like have your significant other. Cause I know one of you guys has questions also too, was like, how in the world do we get protein sources in when they're not appetizing? Like, right. The first trimester. So someone who usually is craving deli meat is in their first trimester. Right. yeah Um,
Speaker: And they're like, I can't eat it. and And it's one of those things where it's like, okay, like where, in I will say like when it comes to food safety though, too, there's a mental side of it too. There's a mental health aspect side of it too.
Speaker: And that looks different for every person. And there's no right or wrong answer on it. And truly in my opinion, ah but that's where like with my moms, it's always talking to them about like,
Speaker: if you eat this, how, like, what are we going to be doing for the next three hours? Are we going to be watching every single sign of our body and like thinking we're going to vomit at any minute and that we're going to, cause that's a mental spiral, right? Like there's, there's a placebo effect going on sometimes, you know what I mean? And so i don't want your mental health to be ruined because you took a bite of a sandwich. Like let's find a way that you feel comfortable, like enjoying this.
Speaker: But that's where I tell them, like, have your significant other grill chicken breast if, like, you can't handle the smell of chicken breast. And then, like, have them put it in the fridge for you. Like, do the proper food safety process. And then have them slice it into slices for you. And then you use it, right? Because you can't smell it when it's coming out the fridge at that point. Yeah.
Speaker: um It takes two to tango. It takes two to get through a pregnancy too. So they some sometimes I'm like, they've just got to buck up and help you out in this in this section of this of this life. um But there's a lot. I mean, is there any specific ones that you guys think about that?
Speaker: No, it's funny. It's funny to me. The ones that you mentioned are like hu the main ones, right? Like I remember, like my favorite, like one my favorite things to order for breakfast out to eat is an eggs Benedict, right? And that's a poached egg. That's a runny yolk. And so during pregnancy, it's like...
Speaker: you can't have that runny oak. You can't have that, that egg like that. So it's so interesting because it's just kind of changing your point of view. Just like you said, like, okay, where're where are the eggs from? Like maybe the egg is the problem, not so much the yolk and how it's cooked. Maybe the egg itself is the problem. So now that you've kind of not like, kind of like busted some of these myths, so to speak, but are there foods that we should be avoiding that aren't these like the fish, the runny yolk, the deli meat, like, yes, you can do those, take those as you will. But there are there ones that we should be avoiding that maybe aren't as talked about like these few that we just talked about here.
Speaker: I mean, i will say there are some that are like hard nose for me. Like oftentimes, um like sprouts are a big one and that's like a paying attention to sprouts. And that's just because one, they're commonly on the recall list and two um two, it's the environment that they're grown in, right? Like the environment they're growing in is like is like a nice, warm, moist environment, which is a bacteria growing environment.
Speaker: But, and then, i mean, I guess, like, I also say, like, you know, raw shellfish, like, that one's always a tongue twister for me. But, like, oysters, like, raw oysters and those things, the risk outweighs...
Speaker: the ah hundred benefits of those um and so those i would say those are like my top two hard nose to be honest with you um everything i feel like almost everything else is like up for debate or negotiation when it comes to like chit-chatting with like a client or mom kind of thing yeah yeah and really talking about the pros cons kind of thing and what the actual risk is Yeah. Also, I feel like like moderation is also key, right? like don't Yes. The power?
Speaker: Or is it like not like shout i don't know if you guys have a firehouse, but shout out to firehouse because they heat up all their deli meat. So I was tearing the right house on the rag. Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, those things like, yes, it's moderation because you think like at the same time, like I also say like go to a like go to a place that you that you trust, like a place that you've been to pre pregnancy, like a place that you that has a good food safety score to write like don't go in somewhere that has like an 80% or something. Like go to somewhere that's like that at 99, right? You're asking for trouble. You know, just like looking for those things. I mean, I think like, I mean, like when you do the eggs thing, I, when I looked at it, like, I think it's one to 12,000 to 30,000 eggs is when you're going to like, that's your risk of salmonella, right? Your risk with produce is so much higher.
Speaker: So it's like, even at like a deli place, it's almost like, yeah the romaine lettuce you're more likely to get a foodborne illness from than the deli meat that you're consuming isn't that crazy because we just like as women where it's so like ingrained in our heads and even like in your parents too right like they are if you're eating something like oh is that like are you oh yeah to you know and so like it's just ingrained in our minds of these, like these things that we're supposed to be doing and things that we're not supposed to be doing. So I find that so interesting that something like produce, which we all try to put in a little bit more into our diets, especially when we're pregnant or like, or postpartum are causing higher, um sicknesses and illnesses than the typical. That's why they won't put it on the avoid list though, because they don't,
Speaker: Because they don't want to put that out there. Right. um I mean, there's people who sit at tables and debate these things before they hit a pamphlet, um you know, like the CDC and all that doesn't just like, you know, put something together and throw that out there. But.
Speaker: it it It's one of those things too. I will say that there are some like herbs and stuff. And I will say another thing I will add on to is that i will say like, also you have to be mindful of like you have some things you have to be a little bit more stricter on depending on like how, like the pregnancy, like how the pregnancy came, right? Like people who are at higher risk, um those different, like had recurrent loss, like those types of things. Some of those times we have to tighten up a little bit, like caffeine isn't something 200 milligrams is like what we want to be mindful of. and that's like We want your average to be 200 or below. right so If one day you go to Starbucks and they accidentally gave you like a triple espresso, we can even that out. but some of Sometimes like with even like how you respond to caffeine as if as a person, that's one thing we have to take into consideration. but Then we do see sometimes where research does show us with the caffeine space of like really being mindful
Speaker: of that when it's a high risk pregnancy. So there are times where we have to be a little bit more sensitive, I would say, in that space too. But every pregnancy is different in that aspect. And at the same time, like I said, but then you have the mental health space of it too. But the fear ends up allowing and making like the under eating lack of nourishing, which we really need. And it makes more limitations on already, oftentimes the limitations that first trimester already brings. It just like makes them even more.
Speaker: yeah And you bring a good point. so like that first trimester and all that, you know, we all know that first trimester brings a lot of morning sickness to a lot of women. So that kind of makes feel eating healthy or eating in general, it makes it feel impossible because everything is just either coming up or you can't smell it, you can't see it, whatever may be.
Speaker: So like, what should women prioritize when they're struggling to keep anything down? And do you have any like go to um pregnancy foods like for nausea or like If you have to eat anything or you're trying to stomach something down, this is like my top, top priority choice.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, i kind of go like cold and bland. So oftentimes, like if you're not someone that has any dairy issues, like I, I leave like the thing is, is you've got to drop this like whole like high expectations, right? Like I say, like, let's bring our expectations down a little bit.
Speaker: um And like, ah and everyone is different on what that looks like, right? Some people don't deal with morning sickness. Some people deal with hyperemesis gravidium, which is a whole different ballgame than nausea that,
Speaker: Let's put in like it normally happens in a pregnancy from the hormone shifts. Right. And so i always like say cold bland. i I say like what you want to try to do is make sure you're getting in a protein or healthy fat source. Now, whether that be like full fat dairy products, be like nuts, nut butter, seeds, seed butters.
Speaker: you know, really looking at like more of those cold things and bland that don't have smells to it. um I like, you know, also cheese is great. Like I'm just like thinking of the things, um but you kind of had to come up with list of like, what are your, I call them safe foods. And what does that look like? And that, and one of the things is, is you have to be okay with the fact that like that list may not be long.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. And it's okay if you're eating the same things. And also too, like sometimes we have to start a little bit with like a carb source and like allow things to settle down and then bring in the healthy fat or the protein. I always say like when you're having, like when you're going through those seasons, it's like, okay, what can I tolerate? And then this is sometimes where I i enjoy the protein craze of like our pancakes have protein in them. Like our waffles have protein in them.
Speaker: Just because of the fact that it's like, okay, like you could tolerate pancakes. So let's just get like the Kodiak pancakes right now to give you a little bit of protein. And then if you can put like a nut, like seed butter, that type eat or full fat, like great old butter on there, you know, just trying to keep those blood sugars balanced because people don't realize that oftentimes when you're riding a blood, a blood sugar roller coaster,
Speaker: That's going to intensify your nausea. Sleep also is one of the biggest things. Like if you have a bad night of sleep, I like I tell clients this all the time that it blows their mind. I'm like, how did you sleep last night? And they're like, I did not sleep well. And I'm like, that is why you're having a worse day of nausea. Because like,
Speaker: that impacts your blood sugar. Like it impacts your gremlin and your leptin hormones that signal hunger and wholeness, right? And so you're going to have a harder day. And so that's why it's like eating frequently. i would say like ginger is one of the things that people don't realize has such great research along with B6, but it's not like grab like a one, be mindful of the products you're grabbing that say ginger on them. Make sure they actually have ginger in them. Ginger ale doesn't really have ginger in it. Um, like, you know, and like, or it's a really small amount and like ginger therapeutic amounts is what we see actually works. Um, so it's really kind of also to like figuring out what your triggers are. Like I was someone who like, when I had nausea, like caffeine was actually my trigger. And I think it was more because like the caffeine dehydrated me.
Speaker: And so my body was like, yeah, we can't do that. You're going have goodbye to that. yeah. So it's just like paying attention to because everyone's a little bit different on like what's triggering. But I would say like, those are my safe foods. um And I know like one of your questions on here too was like, ah like protein bars, like, are they great? Are they like a glorified candy bar? One, it depends on the brand. um, for sure, because some of them are glorified candy bars, one hundred percent.
Speaker: Um, but like they can be helpful in like this type of situation, right? Like a, like a perfect bar for instance is cold and it's like something that a lot of women can tolerate, um, and get a little bit of protein in um, while also getting in some good significant calories and all that great stuff too. So Um, my biggest thing is like giving yourself the ability to have some good days. Um, and I always say like when you're having a good day, those are the days to take advantage of, advantage of.
Speaker: And when you're, when you're having the harder days, it's to just like be graceful with yourself and like do what you can do with also trying to give yourself the protein, the healthy fats. That's, ah you know, sometimes where protein shakes can come in too, because they're cold, they're bland, Depending on how you are with them. Some people they're like, I'm hungry 30 seconds later after them. A smoothie is also one of my go-tos depending on ah how you do with it. Overnight oats is really great. Cold, cold, cold. Again, doesn't smell.
Speaker: um And you can easily get protein in those things and then have like a good substantial... basis and smoothies you can just like sip on. Right. But again, some people, i often say like smoothies tend to work often than the first trimester, they blow in your second trimester and then your third trimester, they're great again.
Speaker: Because like the second trimester, your body is just like so hungry and your metabolism is just going and your body's like, woo we're on a high. and it's like, okay thank you for that you're hungry again and you're like so this isn't working for me i'm now drinking 700 calories and and it's doing and it's doing nothing for my for it to sateate my hunger or whatever the word is for your hunger exactly so that's where i say like some people it works and some people it's not and sometimes i'm like just do half of a smoothie for like as a compliment right like use it as your fruit and your veggie like serving piece of it type of thing so i love that cold and bland
Speaker: that's like That's what i was, I mean, it always, because like it's a lot of times it's your scents. I used to sit in meetings with like essential oils underneath my nose. So if there's an essential oil that you really love, like a lavender or like mint, evergreen was like my go-to. And I would literally put it around my nostrils and like at the bottoms before would to meetings. what you bringing perfume like anything thoroughly like drove me nuts and for some reason I had i worked with women love them but they all smelled beautiful but my first try messed her up like this is not it this is not it so I literally would just like sit there and just like put it all over and that way like it would carry me through the meetings and so I always tell people that too like if you're going to be around something like if you're going to be at like a conference and you're gonna smell warm foods
Speaker: Like bring essential oils, like put it on your wrist, like put it on spaces where you can like put your put it right up to your nose when you need to, to help block out those scents too. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that is. fine It is genius. Yeah. And like it literally putting it right around your nostrils. You're not smelling. It's like a little, a little, a figure. Do a figure eight is what we're saying for the listeners who do not have the video. Do a figure eight on your, on your nostrils. Yeah. so So what you're saying is your scent during that time was ever mint green. everybody Yes. Yes. i'm I'm a mint person in general. Yeah. Mint, evergreen, um peppermint. So, okay. So we talked a lot about nutrition during pregnancy, but what is, when it comes to postpartum, what should a woman's nutrition priorities be kind of immediately after giving birth? Obviously there's a lot of things on a woman's mind, but right after giving birth, where should those nutritional priorities be?
Speaker: Honestly, my biggest thing is like, even if you don't think you need to, please prep for postpartum. like just take the last like six weeks of your pregnancy to double batch every dinner you're having and just freeze half of it like honestly because it will be just a game changer and don't forget about breakfast and snacks you don't know how many times i tell people like hey so when you're packing the diaper bag for your baby don't forget to pack snacks for you too because you're gonna get stuck at the doctor's office yeah because if especially if you're trying to like if you decide to nurse your child like You're gonna be like, would I like my child to scream or do I wanna sit here for an extra 30 minutes and try to nurse my baby instead?
Speaker: And then you're like, crap, I'm hungry. Crap, I'm thirsty. And you have nothing because you're at the doctor. I'm like, girlfriend, this is a lesson for you for the rest of your life. When you pack snacks for your kids, you pack snacks for you. Always have one for you. It's the golden rule of motherhood, in my opinion, a dietitian. I'm like, girl, when you pack snacks for those kids, you better be packing snacks for you. Those snacks for those kids are just as important as those snacks are for you. So grab yourself a dang snack.
Speaker: Yeah. Because you never know when those play dates go over at all the things. Doctor's appointments. But really a big thing. Yeah. The big thing I would say is like warm, warm, like easy meals is like my biggest thing. Anything that says broth, change it out for bone broth.
Speaker: if you If you're someone who enjoys sipping on bone broth, great thing to sip on. um You know, I'm not a big warm bone broth person, but other people are. um And so really like really focusing in on like the protein, the iron. right? Like your body is doing a lot of repair, right? And so we are like your body, not just birthed a human, it like threw out a whole organ, like, you know, there's a lot going on there. um And so, you know, you're gonna want like slow cooked proteins, because they also have glycine, which glycine is really big for connective tissue that needs to be like re-put together and like bring everything down, you know, hydration, minerals like sodium, potassium, magnesium, really making sure that you are hydrating yourself because it's a big thing. It's big. Um,
Speaker: of like everything your body went through. But, um you know, and that's where it's like, you know, be kind to your digestive system. The more you can do like those, like I always say, like focus on like stews and curries, um soups. Those are always like great things to have because oftentimes they have those slow cooked meats. They have some, they have like those, you know, long cooked veggies, all that stuff. So it's broken down really nice for you. um And so that's really what I really like is really thinking of like that iron B vitamins, of course, iodine, choline is still big.
Speaker: I mean, omegas are still big babies brain now is developing outside of you versus inside of you. And like that brain is developing really quickly in the first two years. yeah Um, and so there are specific nutrients that when you are postpartum and you are nursing that your diet is going to impact whether or not, um, the amount of nutrients that baby is getting versus, um, other nutrients are like set, like your body will, your body will just use your stores if it doesn't. And it's like a set amount that's going through your breast milk. Um, so
Speaker: I always just remind moms of that. And that's why i I put a postpartum nourishment plan together for all my moms before they have baby. I'm like, here's your plan until the end of your pregnancy. Once you're once you like birth baby, this is your plan. um I always like to use teas, um like a good turmeric latte, like that is always a really good one just because I help with that inflammation and stuff too.
Speaker: That's incredible that you put a, first of all, it's a lot of and wonderful information, but the fact that you put together these plans, because to be honest, the last thing that we think about, not the last thing, but one of the last things that we think about as women is like,
Speaker: How am I nourishing my body? Like you're in that like fight or flight mode when the baby comes, you know, especially if it's like maybe you're first, maybe you're second, maybe you have a yeah a young child. Like there's a lot going on. So the fact that someone can come to you and get this information and that's one less thing.
Speaker: it's a very big thing that they can like, they don't have to like, they can kind of remove from their brain because it's kind of taken care of is wonderful. Wonderful. People can come to you for that.
Speaker: I mean, you guys, like I've been through this twice. So I know. i mean, that's like, that's where like everything that I've like developed has become from like what I learned, right? Like,
Speaker: um And like the things that I was taught and all of that great stuff, because you aren't paying attention. That's why I look like literally in the nourish, like their nourishment plan. And I said, I said, it as a Google doc, so that way they can share it with their significant other, which I don't share anything else like that. Yeah. But I'm like, okay, like your significant other needs to be in charge of your supplementation. They need to be in charge.
Speaker: And it's like, I literally lay out like a day in the life you need to eat. Now you need to take your supplements here, like, and lay that all out because I want them to be able to walk through blindly throughout their day, because that's what you need to be able to do. Like someone else needs to take care of you and they have a literally a plan on how to do hmm. I love that. I wish I would have had something like that because especially like after my first, like, and even with my second, like I always thought like, oh, I, my milk supply is just enough to feed them. We did have to like supplement with formula too, but I'm like now, like in hindsight, looking back, I was like, I feel like if I would have actually nourished my body and like stayed hydrated and like taken the time to actually like
Speaker: focus on making sure I'm okay too. That may have been a different experience as far as, I mean, I don't know, like as far as like supply or like feeling like I'm, you know, think just, with my first, I had, he had dropped so much weight. And so, you know, that guilt yeah was on me because I'm the one feeding him and like, but I'm too focused on everything else that I'm not feeding myself. So it's like, yeah is he even getting any nutrients? Is that why he's not gaining weight? And, you know, was like a month battle for, to get him back to where we needed to be. And then I felt like a failure because I had an introduced formula so early and that wasn't my plan. It's like, just like the stick, you know, the natural stigma as women. So like that game plan is literally like, that would be my whole grail. Yeah. Incredible.
Speaker: The thing is too, is like, that's what's wrong with our society because every other society, like right there, like, Do you go by Janina or do you go by Mina? Because i don't want to- by so many things, honestly. whatever comes your way. i have four names. I go, away whatever. But literally, like, I wasn't able to take care of myself. Girlfriend, like, you shouldn't have been taking care of yourself. Someone should have been taking care of you, right? Like, that's what's wrong with our society is that, like, women, we birth a baby and they're like, you got this.
Speaker: you've now had the baby so you've got this now and like we sit there and we're like no like i need my mom to come take care of me like that's what i needed when i was like postpartum like i needed someone to take care of me like i was a small child and right that's where like but it's it's a really hard concept and i try telling clients this all the time i'm like no you need to talk to your spouse like you need to like start like ingraining this thing That's why I do like hands down love doulas because they like they're the doula that um has like embedded in my mind. It's like that.
Speaker: I think it's like, it what is it? Like five by five by five plan or something like that. Five days in bed, five days near bed, five days, like like still in the house type of thing. And I know, and that's what i tell my my moms. I'm like, you have to put yourself and imagine that you're going to stay in your bed for five days when you're home.
Speaker: And so who's taking care of everything else? Yeah. While you're in bed, that means you're not getting up. If you picture yourself in bed for five days, you're not getting up and warming that food. So who's doing that? Who's getting in on the freezer?
Speaker: Who's taking care of you? Because that's the big thing. We get in this thing. Like we had to take care of ourselves. No girl, like you need to be taking care of your baby. Someone needs to be taking care of you so you can take care of the baby. Right? Yeah. It's almost like this. I don't want to say pride, but it's like, we want to just, um,
Speaker: and I don't know where it comes from, right? It's just the word type A. I'm type A and I wanted to make sure I had it together. It's me. Yeah, you do. You kind of just want to be like, okay, I want to be able to like take care of myself and do this for the baby. and And like, yes, the husband's help or the mom's come and help. But like, I think like it's just ingrained in our heads that we want to like do, do, do as women and be these I mean, listen, we just had babies. We're, so we're so strong. We don't need to prove to anyone. It's almost like proving to our selves.
Speaker: I don't know. It's like, but it's all like in, it's all in our own heads, which that makes us sound crazy, but you guys know what I, You guys know what I mean. I know 100% what you mean. But like ah the reason why I say it's society issue is because every, like all these other countries have one longer lead than we do. Just like blanket statement there. yeah Secondly, they have people like they, their system of when a mom has a baby is completely different. It's like the entire family. And I know like we're different. Like America, they're like, please do not come over to my house. I do not want to see you. But like their closest family
Speaker: is coming and dropping things off and continuously taking care of the mom. And it's something that they do. Like that's where the whole notion of 30, 40 days of nourishing yourself comes from is from other cultures and how they do that for women in their culture that have a baby. I have a sister-in-law who is Loatian and I tell you, her whole family is on deck when she has a baby. And that's just because that is their culture. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And you don't get a decision. that I'll tell you that. That's yeah what it also sounds like. You don't get a decision. All hands are on deck. But yeah it's like one of those things that like, that's where to me, I'm like, where did we go wrong in our society where like women, we have this mindset that we have to be these strong and people after we've just went through something that obviously proves that we are strong. But we have proven that we are strong species. Like we don't have to keep proving it, but that's just my take on that.
Speaker: Yeah, no. And I, absolutely I absolutely agree with you because it is, um, it is sorry. Jamina is, I, she's error here. um No, I absolutely agree with you because we have to ask for that help, which is fine, right? It's okay to ask for that help, but it's not a known fact of someone coming in and saying, hey, I'm going to do this and you're you're this is just what's gonna happen.
Speaker: you know like And you're right, people come to... people We're like, no, we need time alone. We need, like, don't come over to the house. Like, but again, where, where did that, like, why we, why are we the, the oddballs here? Like, why are we the, um i don't know, like every other country, it's normal to them, you know, like you just said. So um I find that so interesting that we, we are we're like this.
Speaker: Yeah. um There's lots of great questions on here, you guys. I'm just looking at them. That's all. I know. We have a mil we had ah literally so many questions. One of the ke questions that I absolutely loved was like talking at like moms, like, and it's how sometimes literally as chicken nuggets, right?
Speaker: I always, I always talk about it. Like, one of the things that I solely believe in is that like, you should not need to make separate meals between like your kids, all that fun stuff. So I always like my biggest thing is like stocking. always like talk talk to moms about st stocking their like pantries and their their freezers of stuff.
Speaker: That's like one of my biggest philosophies because when like chicken nuggets are completely legit to have protein carb source. Right. So where's our veggies. Right. And that's where I like say like having and like free like frozen veggies if you enjoy them.
Speaker: in like finding like a mix that you like like costco's got like these great like pira vita like mix like sauteed great ones and so then that's where i'm like you make the chicken nuggets for your kids throw some veggies like on the oven or throw them in your microwave whatever works best for you and then or like sometimes like even just having some simple salad stuff like i i always think like don't make it harder than it has to be um just look at like, what are you doing? And how are you going to boost it? Right? Like, how are you going to get in and like the nutrients you want to get in? And how can you simply do that? Like my, my six year old takes cold lunch every so often, and we know which days it's going to be.
Speaker: He tells me what veggies he wants to have in his lunchbox, right? And I just make sure that we get a little bit extra of those things. And then when it comes to pizza night, when it comes to chicken nugget night, it's like, okay, we're doing chicken nuggets like with cucumber slices and mini bell peppers and broccoli on the side right yeah not like or like a simple side salad like it doesn't have to be complicated and I like I just had a cock cock talk ah conversation with a mom about this she was like what do you mean simple side salad I was like stop making it 10 steps like do just the greens with cucumber slices and tomatoes on top and if you got like pumpkin seeds or like something else like sprinkle them on top and like put a dressing on top call it a day like yeah don't like don't even you don't even need the pumpkin seeds like just make it simple and easy for yourself like the restaurant who's charging you ten dollars for a side salad
Speaker: Just make that at home. So, you know, it's where it's like, how much does a bad meal actually matter? Like one, like yeah the whole thing is in like, I always tell parents like with, with your kids, like you have to zoom out with your diet. You need to zoom out. Like you're not, it's not one meal that's going to make or break you. yeah It's the consistency factor. And it's the fact that oftentimes we're like, oh, I had this, I had just chicken nuggets. So I'm just, that's it. Like my whole week's destroyed, right? Like we throw that pity party sometimes. Or like that's where our mindset goes. And it's more so like I always tell clients too, like the next time you eat is the next opportunity you have to change what you disliked what happened last time.
Speaker: So if I'm going to have a bedtime snack and I didn't like the fact of what I did for dinner, this is my opportunity to find a way to get something in that i want to, that I would have liked to have for dinner that I didn't get the opportunity have.
Speaker: It's not Monday. It's not next Wednesday. It's literally the next time you decide to put something in your mouth. Because you're also going to find yourself, like, sometimes, like, you're going to have sports and all these things. And you're like, oh, okay, that meal I was planning to cook is 30 minutes. And if I do the math here, we're not going to make it to practice because that took longer than that. And it's just like, okay, like, then we've got to find something to, like, grab. Like, no one, like, we can't go hungry.
Speaker: Everyone's got to eat. so Right. you know, let's table that dinner for tomorrow when we have more time. And let's just do what we got to do. Like, let's run through, like, let's go get Chipotle. Let's go like you, you know, like those options that you have, you know? um So I always just think and then when the with the question is there such thing as eating too healthy during pregnancy?
Speaker: ah Like, i would say like, I cannot tell you how many women come to me that are like, I eat healthy. I eat like this. And I'm like, That doesn't, like like, literally, that doesn't mean anything to me. Like, the word healthy doesn't mean anything to me because everyone has a different definition of what healthy is. Like, someone thinks vegan's healthy. Someone thinks, like, you know, no red meat is healthy. Like, what is healthy in your definition first?
Speaker: But secondly, like... the biggest thing you need to do is know oftentimes what we do is we eat the same thing over and over and over again. And like, it's okay. Like it's fine. Like to be on pilot mode, but at the same time, like the biggest thing during pregnancy is to be looking at your diet and going, what's missing?
Speaker: What are like, am I getting enough choline? So am I getting enough eggs? Do i need to add, like hide some organ meats and things? Cause those are the two top sources of choline guys. So don't shoot me for the organ meat thing. Cause everyone tries to,
Speaker: come at me about that i hid organ meats during my pregnancy so i experimented on my husband he was always my test dummy for those things um to see like can you taste the difference no oh look at this works um yeah it's like listen don't shoot the messenger it's just yeah of where you can get that yeah yes and so i think like there i think the thing is is like sometimes like what people don't realize is oftentimes when you're eating too healthy or when you are eating healthy you oftentimes are still missing like vitamins, minerals, or micro, like your macro nutrients, protein, healthy fats, carbs, Or oftentimes, like, you don't realize if, like, let's just say, like, your idea of healthy is, like, a whole foods diet. Like, very, like, that's not a lot of processed things. And I hate the word processed because, I mean, a baked salad is technically processed. But that's for a different day. ah But what it comes down to is that you're also oftentimes not eating it up.
Speaker: Like, you... my A lot of women who come to me are shocked at like, how much more they need to be eating, because their diet is really whole food focused. And I'm like, yeah, but you're not like, you're not exceeding 1800 calories, like sweetheart, like we've got to go. Like, yeah, we you need more than this. And they're like, but, but, and i I'm sorry, you're going to have to start figuring out things to like get in. Yeah. yeah We got to kick it up a notch. Yeah. Yeah. We, and because your body needs the resources. So I think like, I think the biggest thing is again, like what I will say is that the generalized advice you're getting is not personalized to you and no one on any social media platform that's putting out, it putting out things,
Speaker: Even me, like, I don't know what your, like, Annie, Mina, like, I don't know what your diets are missing until I actually look at your diet. Sure. And to say, like, this is what you're deficient in. And this is where we need to be focusing in on.
Speaker: Because that's, that's like the whole point. um And that's the biggest thing is like, you have to, you have to fill those gaps that you have. And nobody, most time, i have not found,
Speaker: Like where I literally look often and I'm like, oh, you have like every woman has this same gap. Like there's some overlap and some commonality, but there's not like, like I have like no one size fits all, you know, it's not a one size fits all piece. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. It's really not. So it really, it truly is. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, i want to get to some of these rapid-fire questions. Yeah. Like, we've gone over. So, like, I cannot wait. so I always listen to, like, once the the podcast gets posted, I, of course, always listen to it. i I mean, I'm done having kids. But i just for, like, nutrition purposes – I just find all of this so valuable. And I think listeners who specifically are trying to get pregnant, are pregnant, postpartum, et cetera, are kind of going to find so much value in this. So, um, these rapid fire questions are going to be very interesting to see what you say. So we kind of touched on this before, um, coffee during pregnancy necessary or overrated.
Speaker: That's so tough. Cause you guys like literally my birthday's tomorrow and it's national coffee day. Like I was born on national coffee day. Like, or but that's such a flex. That's such a flex.
Speaker: So I, I will say like necessary for sanity, but still in moderation. Fair. I like these. I like how you're answering. I'm trying to be rapping. No, I like how you're answering these. Um,
Speaker: Craving. So like pregnancy cravings, listen to them or proceed with caution. Listen to them. Um, eating for two, the phrase eating for two, is it a myth or is it a permission slip?
Speaker: That I'm a little confused on like the myth permission slip. Um, I would say permission slim. So you heard it again, another, you heard it first. You guys can eat for two to your heart's content.
Speaker: Wait, I need to go back. i Like I said, I misunderstood that eating for two. going to say myth. Okay. Because I thought you meant like, is it a myth or is it like, do people use it as a permission slip?
Speaker: And I feel like people use it as a permission slip to sometimes eat like a fool. um i and I mean, I'm the most loved, but like I had this pint of ice cream because I'm eating for two. Eating for two, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: probably not the best decision.
Speaker: i feel like I'm either making friends or making enemies with this, but we'll let keep going. That's the fun of this spot that's fun of this podcast. We make, we, I think we make a lot of enemies just by the stuff that we say. So it's fine. jump Join us. One of us, one of us, remember from the beginning, um, lactation cookies, worth it or marketing genius.
Speaker: Marketing genius, though, a snack is a snack and eating it enough does help. Okay. We have discussed, I feel like we've talked about, like I said, a few minutes ago, we've discussed so, so much. So Haley, how can our listeners find you work with you learn more about kind of what you do in your in your day to day? So this is kind of like your time to plug your Instagram, like you, you tell our listeners where where they can learn more.
Speaker: Yeah. So you can find me on Instagram at prenatal.nutritionist. My website is nutritionwithhaley.com. You can also find me on Google nutrition with Haley. I've been getting my Google reviews, making people happy. Hey, ah those, those hold a lot of weight. So yeah. They do. My SEO person's very happy with me. um And so also to then um overall, like I've got my I've got two programs. I have like a track for those who are trying to conceive postpartum or trying to conceive pregnant or newly postpartum. I'd say like one to two years postpartum.
Speaker: nourish my baby Nourish Baby and Me Foundations program is my programs are hybrid one-on-one. You will always get me. All of my program. And then I have Nourish for Hormones for anyone who's done with the baby season. um I'm done with the baby season. So anyone who's done with the baby season, that is what Nourish for Hormones is all about. Both of my programs include testing. You check in with me one-on-one, you get me, but you also get like my courses and my resources and all and like a community of women and calls and all that great stuff inside there. But I don't ever think I can lose the personal piece and like having that connection with my clients. So I make sure that both of those are embedded in that. Or I also have my nourish and discover, which is literally like for the person who's like, I don't want coaching. I'm not there yet. I just want to know my data.
Speaker: And I want my personalized plan. I want to meet with you one-on-one, talk about my data and like get to know what my personalized plan would look like or should look like based off of my data. um That is my nourish and discover. So it's like a one-time cost. You do that. And then I get, we collect lots of fun data. And then I sit down with you on a one-on-one zoom and we go through all your data, talk about it, talk about supplementation symptoms. Where are all these things coming from diet? What do we need to be doing and all that great stuff. So,
Speaker: That is my main squeezes. So like nourish her hormones was built off of my clients who literally like I've been blessed to have be with them during two, three of their pregnancies. And now they're like, Hey, Haley, like I'm done having kids, but I still want to like work with you because things are going on. Can you help me? That's how that was born. And then like other clients are like, Hey, I just want like re up on my testing with you and see how my plan changes. What do I need to be focusing in on now in this season? And that is how nourish and discover, um, became the life. Um, so I always talk with you first and figure out what testing do you actually need and what's necessary. um so even if you've come to me with a list of things that you think you would like to test, we'll still chit chat about which ones are actually necessary. um
Speaker: And then like, I kind of like customize those packages based off of like, what testing do you actually need? And then we collect that data. Once all that data is in, I look at your food recalls, all that fun stuff. And then we dive deep into you and what your plan should look like based off of that. Because I feel like that's a big missing piece of what people don't have. And sometimes moms don't have the capacity in certain seasons of their life to hang out with me every other week. So that's a space where they can still come, get the data they need, and then work on it. And then they just always pop in and chit chat with me whenever they need it.
Speaker: That is amazing. And I love the work you're doing and how vast the work is that you're that you're doing and that you're doing for women. um You're incredibly knowledgeable. I'm like, like I said, I'm like, remember this, do this. like know it's And it's like wonderful. Yeah. I have different like niche questions. So we promise that Jamina's audio issues will be... will ah Maybe. Maybe. Don't promise. Don't don't di don't promiseing don't don't over promise. um yeah It has been so wonderful having you on. i am so excited for our listeners to get all of this information. and to to follow along with you with your journey um and it has just been incredible to to have you here with us and and love it thank you guys so much for having me on and i know like one of the last things that was like on the email was for the mom who thinks she's messing it up i definitely have to like leave my like tidbit on that because yes i always say like always remember that
Speaker: the perfection isn't the goal and like it's just a season is what I always remind myself of um like anything that like is happening it's just a season your kids grow up like things happen whether that's a fertility struggle whether that's pregnancy like if you didn't see like I recently posted even a reel that was like waiting for that like that pregnancy like those two pink lines like in that two-week wait like One day it will be a blur.
Speaker: um And honestly, I believe that everything is just a season. And the fact that like you're worried about it and you're trying to make it things different just shows the love and the care that you have. And like, that's honestly what your body needs, your kids need and your family needs. And don't do it alone. Honestly, be vulnerable, be open, talk to other women because the more often you talk to other women, the more times you hear me too.
Speaker: And there's nothing that's more healing than hearing someone else say me too. Yep. Yep.
Speaker: And that was so, yeah, that was so well said because there is, it's so often that we hear that, right? You finally are like, this is what's going on. And someone's like me too, or they've known someone who's been in a similar situation or whatever that may be. um So that was a fantastic way to, to really wrap all this up and and tie it in a bow. So, so thank you.
Speaker: Yeah, not a problem. I just was like, I saw that and i was like, Oh, this is my favorite one. Like, I'm excited for those things. Because I just think it's like solidarity between women just like needs to happen more often. And just with this society and siloing ourselves, it just gets so tough. So thank you guys again, for having me over and having me on and all that great stuff. And Yeah, 100%. We always need a shoulder to lean on. So again, thank you so much for being on. But as for this show, that is a wrap. That is all our nutrition tea we have for today. Thank you so much for listening. Don't forget to rate and review us on whatever platform you're listening on. As always, tell all your friends and keep on whining.
Speaker: Cheers. Cheers.
