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Terror Train (1980) Review | New Year’s Eve Slasher Horror | Half Hour of Horror Podcast
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The frights you forgot, revisited in half an hour.
In this episode of Half Hour of Horror, the horror film podcast from Love Horror, we revisit Terror Train (1980), the cult slasher movie that turns a New Year’s Eve party into a deadly ride.
Starring Jamie Lee Curtis at the height of the early slasher boom, Terror Train follows a group of college students celebrating New Year’s Eve aboard a moving train. What begins as a costume party quickly becomes a nightmare as a masked killer begins picking off passengers one by one. Combining classic slasher horror tropes with a locked-location mystery, the film has become a cult favourite among fans of early 1980s horror.
More than forty years after its release, we revisit Terror Train to explore why this overlooked slasher continues to attract a loyal following among horror fans.
In this horror podcast episode you’ll get:
• A spoiler-filled synopsis of Terror Train (1980)
• Our honest horror movie review and discussion
• Behind-the-scenes trivia and production facts
• A look at the film’s place in early 1980s slasher cinema
• Our final verdict and horror rating out of 5
If you enjoy horror podcasts, classic slasher movies and early Jamie Lee Curtis horror films, this episode explores why Terror Train remains an entertaining and underrated entry in the slasher boom.
Half Hour of Horror is a horror movie podcast presented by Love Horror, the UK’s home for horror reviews, interviews and features.
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Half Hour of Horror'
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome to Half Hour of Horror with Love Horror. Who are Love Horror? I hear you ask, somehow. ah Well, its editors are myself, Alex Humphrey, and my co-editor, Tom Atkinson, who is joining me on this podcast. Say hello, Tom.
00:00:29
Speaker
It's me, right here, Tom Atkinson. Doing good? How are you doing? doing good, Happy New Year. Happy New Year, everyone. It's sort of like a New Year themed, maybe. It is. Ooh. Bit late, though. Bit late, but that's okay. We're still sticking to, I mean, we record this at the end of January. When it's released, hopefully it will still be January. I don't know, but I'm telling you, we did do one in January. We tried. Yeah, tried.
Focus on 'Terror Train'
00:00:53
Speaker
So yeah, so Half Hour Horror is our podcast where we take a deep dive into horror movies that haven't appeared on our website. And on this episode, we have a slasher, slasher from the 80s, starring Jamie Lee Curtis.
00:01:07
Speaker
No, it's not Halloween. It's Terror Train. territoryop Yeah, directed by Roger Spottuswood, who went on to make Turner and Hooch, Arnold Schwarzenegger's The Sixth Day and the Bond movie Tomorrow Never Dies, which I didn't realise. It also stars David Copperfield, the first living illusionist to be honoured with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
00:01:31
Speaker
And he, as you guessed it, he is a magician with it within this film. um And most exciting of all about Terror Train is it's a 80s slasher that somehow we've never seen.
00:01:46
Speaker
how How has that even happened? If it's a slasher and it's from the eighty s surely that means it's awesome, doesn't it Well, I don't know how it's happened. I don't know how we would have not seen this. I i thought I'd... I'm not saying, oh, I've seen them all, but especially with Jamie Lee Curtis. Yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis. How did this slip the net?
00:02:04
Speaker
It's a really funny one, slip in the net, actually. i know I know we say that with each of these episodes, but um yeah, it sort of feels like if you're going to appreciate Jamie Lee Curtis's work in the... Which we do. The big ones. Yeah. You should see all of it. So you've got something to compare it to, right? Yeah. but we haven't yet.
00:02:20
Speaker
so No, we haven't. That's why we're here. But today we will have. Exactly. You will know by the end of this podcast what we think of Terror Train. Yeah. So how it works.
Podcast's Time Challenge
00:02:30
Speaker
Yeah. We're going to we're going to it's called hard. It's called. It's good. I can't remember for an hour or half an hour. It's half an hour.
00:02:40
Speaker
It's half an hour. It's called half hour of horror. It usually takes an hour. Normally we talk for an hour. It's called half hour of horror. i how it works is not yet, but we're going start a timer. We're going to talk for half an hour.
00:02:53
Speaker
ah fill all our thoughts in and that's our time. So that's how it goes. um But before we do that, got a couple of things we need to clear up. I was just going to say, it's well last in the last episode, we did actually manage to get the talking about the film in the half an hour. hour wow We did that. So I'm i'm optimistic that we're going to do it again. we We've hit our groove now. we're going to stay how how How we know when it's been half an hour, that's an important So that's a good question. So we're going to have a warning a warning sound. And um yeah every every every time we have an episode, I have to, you know, search far and wide to get the the just the right sound. Sometimes getting guest guest stars in to make noises for me. things yes This time I've been out and about been out and about, managed to track down an old train and I found this.
00:03:44
Speaker
Perfect. All aboard.
00:03:50
Speaker
So that's what we're going to hear when our time's up. So when you hear that next,
Props and Playfulness
00:03:53
Speaker
that's when we'll stop talking about the film in theory. And then the other thing we need to do is we have tributes. We have a tribute to our film.
00:04:01
Speaker
So your me first, you first. Who's going to go first? This was a hard one. Can I go first? Because I feel like you're going to do better than me. and Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, were apart from the ah bottle of champagne in the background there, because obviously New Year's Eve celebrations, a bit of champagne. Yeah, I get it. I get it.
00:04:21
Speaker
Hold on second. I've been interrupted by my cat. That's distracting. Anyway, um that's what a creepy door opening behind me was, folks. Don't worry. It wasn't um a slasher about to kill me. So simple and effective.
00:04:36
Speaker
This is a like it classic 80s style. I it. I'm going to try and put over my headphones. I like And on top of my hat. I really didn't think this through properly, did I?
00:04:47
Speaker
No, you didn't. There you go. It works. Now I feel very New Year's Eve. You're ready. New Year's party. How about that? You do look, I mean, and they do wear these in this film, so. Very cost effective. That is good.
00:05:00
Speaker
It could have almost been a prop from the film. It's signed by Jamie Lee Curtis or David Cobbfield. I'd like to think so. Maybe. Let's pretend. Right, mine, I've got two parts to mine. So the first part, I found this lovely little toy train that I found. It my dad's. That's very cool.
00:05:18
Speaker
That looks very much like the train in TerraTrain. Yeah, it's a proper, from a train, from a, like a motorised train set one. Yeah, yeah. But it's not just the train. This is the two parts. So we've got the train here.
00:05:30
Speaker
I've also got, from my son, this magic bag so as you can see bag is the bag is empty i'm gonna do i'm gonna go all david copperfield on your ass right now so this is an empty bag got my hand all the way in there look so you see in the camera completely empty it's empty it's definitely empty it's empty it's an empty bag we'll put the train in the bag we'll say the magic words jamie lee curtis and then as you see look The train's gone. Where the hell did it go? Where the hell did the train go? Where the hell? Look, put my hand all the way in. It's not there. we'll say the magic words again.
00:06:09
Speaker
Jamie Lee Curtis. We'll do it backwards. and and Ah, look! There's a train! It was there all along. There you go. That's arguably more entertaining than certain parts of this film that we're about to talk about. There you go. I did some magic. Could the high point. I themed it.
00:06:28
Speaker
Magic and a train. There you go. Completely themed. So, yeah, I think we're ready. we can We can get aboard. We can get ready to start the ah to start the time. Are you ready?
00:06:39
Speaker
Okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, God, no, I'm not really. I haven't got the clock. Where's the clock? Oh, God. Where's the clock? It's been too long. We need clock. um I was going to just say, actually, on the magic front, um it was the first time ah David Copperfield had been in a, this is an early fact, but just because you did a magic trick, first time David Copperfield had been in a film and apparently he hated it so much because he had real trouble learning his lines um that he never was in a film again.
00:07:05
Speaker
The film again? Okay. i'm not not Not as a character. like early as like early yeah A bit early, but ah he's perfectly good in it. I quite like him in it. thought so. He's got very impressive eyebrows.
00:07:17
Speaker
He's got very impressive eyebrows. was admiring his eyebrows for a lot of the film. Were you? Anyway. um Okay. I'm going to start the timer. okay Let's go. Here we go. See if we can do it.
Plot Overview: Revenge on a Train
00:07:27
Speaker
Okay. I'm going to take off with the synopsis.
00:07:29
Speaker
So in Terror Train, a group of college students board a lavish New Year's Eve costume party aboard a train bound for Montreal, eager to leave their exams behind and ring in the new decade in style.
00:07:43
Speaker
For Alana Maxwell, however, the journey is anything but celebratory. Years earlier, she was involved in a cruel fraternity prank that left a shy student psychologically scarred.
00:07:54
Speaker
An instant, she has never truly escaped. As the train speeds through the frozen night, partygoers mingle, drink and show off their elaborate costumes while a magician...
00:08:05
Speaker
David Cockfield. Yep. Cockfield. Hired for the event, provides entertainment from carriage to carriage. But before long, the festive atmosphere begins to sour. One by one, the guests are brutally murdered, their disguises stolen by a killer who uses their endless supply of costumes to move unseen in the crowd. With no way off the train and no idea who to trust, Alana realises that the murder might be connected to the long-buried prank and that the past is finally catching up with them. Oh.
00:08:35
Speaker
Yep. Because it's a Sash film and that's always what happens. That's always what happens. Yeah, God, it it was, wasn't it? The way it starts, you're like, wait a minute. This feels very, very familiar.
00:08:46
Speaker
Yeah. So like, as we say, this is this is a fitting film for January because it's set on New Year's Eve. So you get a year, you get the first, how many, was it? How many years? Three years ago. So that's a New Year's Eve party. And they've got that weird kind of hazing ritual, don't they? It's I mean, we both went to university. There's none of this in England, is there? We just don't get this.
00:09:05
Speaker
Thank God. Culturally. They don't do this kind of stuff at all. No. I mean we don't have houses. It's not Harry. I think people, if you're listening to this and you're not from England, you probably think we have houses like Harry Potter. That's just people. We don't do that. If only. In fact, Americans do houses more than probably English people do because there is, because the fraternity houses.
00:09:25
Speaker
So, you know, stop, stop thinking it's us. It's not us. Yeah. But yeah, they do that. There's a kind of hazing ritual, isn't there? Of like everyone, all the boys have got to get laid. Yeah. And they kind of picking on that, picking on Kenny, aren't they? To get him to one guy. Yeah. It's not really clear why they pick on him. Just now not really lucky, dude.
00:09:44
Speaker
It's quite, but so, and the other important element is that they're all pre-med. So they're all doctors, aren't they really? so yeah which makes sense to why when they get Kenny to go up and take his clothes off and Jamie Lee Curtis is all like, over here, Kenny, give me kiss, Kenny. When he gets in bed, he gets in bed with a horribly bloated, disfigured, mangled corpse. Yeah.
00:10:07
Speaker
ah and But there's a reason they've got that corpse because they're pre-med students. ah yeah Because he's got a hand, doesn't he, as well. There's a bit where he a fake. He has a severed hand as well. Yeah, like a severed hand for some reason.
00:10:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So that's the beginning, isn't it? That's your set up. And then it's three years later and they're all going to do it They're doing another party, but this time on a train. Yeah, I was going to say that that set up did feel very clunky. don't know about you, but it just seemed very like... the transition from what that first prank bit or... Just that first prank thing. It was all a bit like, yeah yeah it kind of felt a bit weird, like really like a bit of a rushed idea. And Jamie Curtis as well wasn't sort of part of it. She's not... Yeah, she's not... she She was acting like she didn't know what was going on, but how would you not know? Like, what did they tell her was going happen? you know.
00:10:55
Speaker
Yeah, so your synopsis kind of makes it sound like she's innocent, but she's not that innocent in this. No. Because, yeah, well, she's not in the bed with someone. she can surely You can surely see there's something in the bed.
00:11:07
Speaker
So either way, it's pretty cruel because even if you've just got him to take his clothes off and there's nothing in the bed or it's a guy or whatever, it's still a mean trick and she's still part of it. So...
00:11:19
Speaker
ah Her character's a bit weird in this because she's not kind of as innocent as she then makes out three years later. It's more... She's quite righteous for someone who was actually involved in it, isn't she? Yeah, and I think she um was... Yeah.
00:11:32
Speaker
But that said, yeah is a bit clunky. I do quite like... Things I like straight off the bat, I like that they're pre-med students, that you've got this element that they may have the, they may get these things. It's not unrealistic that they can play these prints on each other because they've got these things. I don't, I quite like that.
Setting and Atmosphere
00:11:51
Speaker
I do also like that three years later, they're getting on a train. i think it's really good that you've got the setup of is the confined, you know, the carriages of the train. they Once they're on, they can't get off. There's limited space. I really like that. And as you said, everyone turns up um dressed up to the party and you have ah Ed um is Groucho Marx. And you have this really good bit in the beginning where he's kind of wandering around being annoying. And then hes he he kind of wanders up with a sword through him and everyone everyone's like, oh yeah, really that's really good. Like, good gag, mate. And then you're like, no, he's literally been severed with a sword. And the killer dresses up as him and gets on the train. And again, as the setups go, I like the idea that the killer...
00:12:36
Speaker
constantly changes their costume. I'm surprised it hasn't been used in more films, really, because it's actually really good technique. It really keeps That is the one very clever idea about it, actually. It's that kind of kills person takes costume to carry out next murder. Because it completely works. You don't really... They don't know who the killer is. They assume people who are alive that aren't alive. we ah We completely know who the killer is because we've seen them kill those people and take their costume. So yeah I think as setups go...
00:13:05
Speaker
This beginning bit, this big you know, okay, I agree that bit in the beginning is a bit bit clunky, how we're getting there. But once you're on the train, everyone's dressed up, you've got the people from the past, you've got new characters, new college students and stuff. That, I think, was all quite good. i was quite i was quite, pun ah pun intended, i was quite on board for all of this.
00:13:26
Speaker
So how about that first death as well? that I thought that was like probably of the best that happens. yeah Well, because he gets stabbed by the sword, then the train rolls over him as well. yeah, yeah. Unnecessarily. But like I say unnecessarily, but like that was brutal. I mean, yeah it set the bar quite high in terms of what I was expecting to happen later on. Yeah.
00:13:47
Speaker
No, I liked that. That was quite good. this He does the second killings, the guy in the lizard suit, isn't it? And he kind of, which is the he smashes his head against the glass, doesn't he?
00:13:58
Speaker
Which is also quite nasty. um You've also got the kind of the guys running the train, haven't You've got the conductor of the train and the kind of crew of the train who involved. And they, with that one, it's kind of interesting because they find the body and the toilet's all covered in blood and it's all like mad.
00:14:15
Speaker
And you think, oh, okay, this is sloppy. But then when he goes back, the killer's then is cleaned up and then is in the suit and is all like, oh, all drunk. And like, oh, he was just off his face. Like, that's quite good. Again, that was quite good. Like, I quite liked that. It was something. Yeah. It was a bit unbelievable. So the window, the mirror was fixed and the blood was somehow cleaned up and the body was disposed of. But I don't know. Overthinking it probably. You can chuck off the train. I've to yeah Yeah, no, there is that. Although, without anyone seeing, I don't know. I did i was feeling very picky when I watched this because there's a lot of holes in it. No, that's fair enough. I'm going to say it early. It's pretty poorly written.
00:14:58
Speaker
And yes at times, they put bits in it to try and sort of fix the problems. Like, the one a really early one that I thought was quite funny was... um when the conductor is talking to a lady at the station before the train leaves. Yeah. He goes, oh, I wish we had a radio on the train because, you know, if something happens, we're not going be to tell anyone.
00:15:20
Speaker
Like some really kind of early set up. Yeah. You're like, well, that yeah gets that covered then, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. No, no, that's true. Yeah, no, that's true. Yeah. No, no, no. No, I'm not saying it's not without his flaws. It's definitely got is' definitely got flaws. um But yeah, I think the setup is is decent enough. They're on the train. They're partying. They're drinking. They're they're getting it on. They're doing drugs.
00:15:42
Speaker
deb Jamie Lee Curtis's boyfriend is getting off with other women. Yeah. You've got a band. you got they've got They've got a lot of entertainment on this train. they' got a band. Yeah, they have. They've also got David Copperfield and his assistant doing magic. a thought like you I know you said he yeah he didn't enjoy it and all that, but I think all the magic in it is pretty good.
00:16:02
Speaker
Oh, yeah, great. The tricks are really good, aren't they? as Apparently he said... oh yeah, go. Well, no, as say, I read that he just... They're all real. He just did the tricks that he did. they They weren't like... They're not like in in camera or special effects or anything. He's just he's just doing the magic he's he's known for, which i think is quite good. And in terms of...
00:16:23
Speaker
being kind of a bit mysterious and a bit weird. And he's obviously like, they set up quite early on that Jamie Lee Curtis kind of fancies him and he fancies her. He's kind of eyeing her up a bit, isn't he? And they kind of have a few looks, which sort of look of mystery.
00:16:39
Speaker
Yeah. He looks very mysterious and alluring. Yeah. I quite like that. Yeah. and i ah Apparently he did say it was quite a challenge. He said it was quite a challenge making the film because he didn't want to reveal how tricks were done, but he was obviously being filmed from lots of angles and they had lots of cast and stuff there. So, um yeah, he said that was a challenge.
00:16:59
Speaker
I don't know if he was just using that as an excuse for why he couldn't remember his lines. i don't know. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I like how it looks as well. I think it's very well lit. And I like the confined, like say, the confined space, the fact that they're kind of, they the the you know, the carriages are kind of moving. You do get the kind of sense, the motion of the of the train, don't you? I think it does have that. It's a very narrow train, isn't it?
00:17:21
Speaker
Really narrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is very narrow.
Character Dynamics
00:17:25
Speaker
It's not many carriages. You start to repeat the carriages quite a lot. And I couldn't get the sense of what was where. They only seem to have two toilets as well, which is a bit weird. I'm glad you said that. I really struggled with that as well. I really struggled with the layout.
00:17:41
Speaker
And I was a bit like, how many carriages are there? And that that weirdly messed with me. Well, yeah, they seem to keep like trying to go to the toilet to have sex when they seem to have more spaces they could be having sex with than just a toilet. I didn't understand that. They've beds everywhere. And yeah yeah, I don't know why. yeah And the key that everyone tries to use the toilet that's out of order. Oh, yeah it's a body in there.
00:18:02
Speaker
Damn it. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, it kind of it kind of, after this initial kind of bit of speed, the film kind of slows down a bit now, doesn't it? You've got quite a bit where there's not very much happening, I would say.
00:18:16
Speaker
There's kind of just a conductor wandering around. Jamie Lee Curtis is wandering around. Doc, who's the kind of, should we say villain? He's the kind of, he was the one behind the Hog Knight prank. He's kind of being yeah drunk and obnoxious and heckling David Copperfield and not believing magic. recognise the guy?
00:18:34
Speaker
No. Who's he from? The actor. He's from something that you that you love. Hart Bochner, his name is. i'm sure I hope I've pronounced that right. No. Hart, if you're out there.
00:18:46
Speaker
He's from Hard. is he? He's Harry. He's the really irritating guy who does coke and gets kitten shot. He's that dude. Fair enough. He's quite irritating. So he's quite good at playing an irritating person, isn't he?
00:18:59
Speaker
ah Yeah, he is. He is quite good at being irritating. i did I didn't like him in this. Jamie Lee Curtis doesn't like him. No one really likes him. No one likes him, I don't think. He's that he's the one that you're like you' hoping that he does get caught by the killer. Yeah.
00:19:13
Speaker
yeah He's really manic as well. like When he freaks out, he like screams a lot. like He screams really hard. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he goes mental, doesn't he? Yeah. no He's nearly as bad as the the guy that they played that the prank on, ah kenny Kenny something. Kenny, yeah.
00:19:30
Speaker
Kenny Hampton or something like that. Yeah. Uh, okay. Hampson, Kenny Hampson. He, at at the very beginning when he freaks out, he does the biggest freak cause he weirdly wraps himself in a curtain. Um, I don't know why saw that. He spins around, doesn't he? He spins around like a helicopter.
00:19:45
Speaker
Exactly. For no real reason. And then door Doc um just runs into a room at one point, locks all the doors and starts breaking the locks and yeah looking in all the cupboards. and And you're a bit like, because, yeah, because that's the next death, isn't it? He, his friend gets killed while they're watching the magic.
00:20:03
Speaker
And this is that kind of like classic slasher movie, like Boy Who Cried Wolf death or the same. There's quite a few. i think I think the film's kind of, it's riffing off the kind of idea of pranks and like, if you're going to prank people, the kind of, you know, Boy Cried Wolf, if you're going to,
00:20:19
Speaker
say something like that, you should expect that no one's going to believe you when it really does happen. So he's like freaking out because his friend's dead and everyone's just like laughing at him and ignoring him. And he's like, he drags the guy like through the carriage, doesn't he? He's dead. and it just That's the weirdest murder. You don't really see You don't even see him actually getting killed though, do you? Or did I miss that? I'm assuming, you know, he's just slumped over as there will be spoilers. I'm assuming the person can do it because they are in the room.
00:20:48
Speaker
yeah but I don't know how they do it. is it because he Is that the trick where David Copperfield is seems to be on stage and then he's he's not on stage anymore? He's behind them. That's it. He pops up behind and that's when Doc notices that he's not awake. But they've both weirdly been sitting while he's on stage kind of in a bit of a drunken stupor. They've become overwhelmed with tiredness for five minutes and one of them doesn't wake up, which is bit weird. All this drinking and and drugging and shagging on the train. How do you feel about doc's abilities to try and resuscitate someone who's ah injured because um he's a doctor, right? Med student. Yeah, they don't do anything, do they? They're all medical students. They don't do anything. Well, drags him through a train. is that is that what Is that what doctors do? It's like if someone loses consciousness.
Costume Intrigue and Mystery Execution
00:21:38
Speaker
I've done basic first aid at work courses. I don't think you do that. No, recovery position. Oh, they didn't take yeah drag drag. Drag body. drags No, don't drag them screaming. No, recovery position. Yeah, check the airways. Check that it's safe. He didn't do that.
00:21:51
Speaker
Check the airways. and Maybe then do some like, you know, do the compressions. Staying alive. none of those things. He did none of those things. He screamed. He screamed. He screamed a lot. He screamed. But yeah. They also try and pull the emergency stop on the train. It doesn't work.
00:22:06
Speaker
Yeah. And that's not... Which actually quite like that one. Yeah, that's not the train's crap. That's because the person, the killers sabotaged I'm assuming. Well, yeah, no, there's no one driving the train at that point. That's the bit like, actually. That's how they find out. Yeah, where are those people gone? I didn't really understand where they'd gone, those people.
00:22:24
Speaker
Again, you don't see that. There's a lot of is's a lot you don't see in this film. It's weird because with that first murder, you don't see him getting stabbed. Do you see him getting stabbed? I can't remember. You see him walking around a know do.
00:22:36
Speaker
And then you see him getting driven over by the train. So you think, oh, wow, there's going to be it's going to be a bit graphic. Then after that, you just sort of see the people afterwards and quite often... Yeah, it's a pity, isn't it? It's pretty well hidden.
00:22:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's a pity because you've got a potential here because he's changing costumes and stuff. You've got the potential for like quite a lot of... murders and him changing and people not really catching up with what's going on like that. Definitely. I think there's definitely the potential here to, to have quite a good way. He's constantly changing the costumes by the time they actually realize he's in one costume. He's already killed someone else and changed costume. that it There's quite a lot here that could be played with and they're not really kind of playing with it.
00:23:16
Speaker
um they They evacuate everyone off the train. They do stop the train, don't they? And they get everyone off eventually. Yeah. And they arm the other train crew with axes to wander around the track. and They've got a lot of axes on that train, haven't they? Do you notice how many axes they have? Yeah, I don't know. A lot of weapons. Why would you need an axe on a train?
00:23:34
Speaker
don't know. And in that whole final section, like swords just turn up everywhere. Like there's just a sword. Like someone just needs a sword. A sword just appears. They're like, I've got sword. Brilliant. And not even just like magic swords. Yeah. It's his fault, but they're very sharp for like, you know, I would imagine a magician swords would be like look sharp. Yeah, I guess. But be, you know, really be, but they're effective. It's a trick. Yeah. It should be a trick shouldn't Oh, yeah. So obviously Doc's girlfriend's been killed as well. Sorry. She gets a throat cut, doesn't she? Oh, yeah.
00:24:06
Speaker
Yeah. She gets a throat cut. That's another bit of an obscure one because the the guy in the costume weirdly decides to put a dead hand on her first, like a severed hand.
00:24:17
Speaker
But that's because that's a revenge. Yeah, isn't that back to what happened to him earlier? I mean, that's, you know. Yeah, it must be. Okay, but you're not buying it though. i just I just thought it was a bit like, don't know, just a killer. It's great. It's great for the movie.
00:24:32
Speaker
in ah In a real situation like that, you'd be better off just, you know, just advice to anyone thinking about this at home. But, yeah. if you're on a train. But yeah as you say, Doc is very weirdly weird behaviour now. He goes back on the train with Jamie Lee Curtis. They now they they proper think it's Kenny. They're like aware that it's Kenny doing this. He's come back for revenge. It's been three years. Because also, don't they say they know as well that he he'd killed someone previous to the incident that happened?
00:25:03
Speaker
Yeah, that weirdly comes out as well, doesn't it? That he a bit of a psycho. That that does also, again, feel a bit like sloppy writing where someone yeah has got part of the way through doing it and thought, wait, would he have really gone psycho after just this one thing? Oh, maybe he is a psycho. yeah and Yeah, yeah. But then Doc runs off and locks himself in a carriage.
00:25:25
Speaker
um which is, you know, we all know this, Slasher 101. You don't lock yourself away from everyone like that. It's obviously going to be the carriage where the killer is. Stay together. is Yeah, it is. he does It's like a lot of like him like opening a cupboard and then pulling away some suitcases. Goes on so long.
00:25:44
Speaker
Yeah, and then he gets dragged under, doesn't he? And then they go in and find blood everywhere and his body kind of does the classic like fallout of the yeah thing. um The killer, again, a bit like the severed hand in that murder, pays very close attention to detail because what they decide to do is they grab him round foot, pull him to the floor,
00:26:03
Speaker
Somehow, between killings, they've painted their nails to look like his girlfriend's nails and put on his girlfriend's ring so that it could they could then put their hand on his shoulder and he would only look at their shoulder and go, oh, it's you.
00:26:18
Speaker
It's you. What was the name? Was it Mitchie, wasn't it? The girl who got murdered. he's like, Mitchie, it was just a prank. Yeah. There is a reason for the for the for the for the painted nails, though.
00:26:32
Speaker
No, well, it's Mitchie's painted nails, so i did go back and check. Oh, did you? Oh, God. Wow. Thorough. Yeah, because that bugs It's not the same nail. Wait a minute. Why? Oh, God.
00:26:43
Speaker
Yeah, so attention to detail by the killer. Well done. That's off. Good. look at Look at you taking this seriously. You really are. This is a deep dive. I wasn't lying. Yeah. So, yeah, so they kind of were barreling towards the end, really. Jamie Lee Curtis gets put in a room on her own because they're aware that she's literally the only person left that he might want to kill. Again, bad idea. And they have a big fight, don't they? There's a lot of, like, the killer's dressed now, the killer's dressed as Doc. So kind of, it's like a monk, like a mad monk, would you say? Yeah, yeah, a witch face. Yeah, horrible. Yeah, an old man face and robes.
00:27:21
Speaker
Um, you know, the bit where she's in the cage and they have a fight. Yeah. I read that during that fight scene, it was a stuntman that she was doing the fight with, not the actor. yeah And i am she slams the cage door against the his face. The production crew was supposed to replace the door with a collapsible one, but forgot. So it was actually metal and it punctured the man's face. And Jamie Lucas was set. She left the set and wouldn't come back for two days.
00:27:50
Speaker
Because she just like smashed the stuntman's face in, basically, because they'd mucked up. Yeah. I mean, this was made... But did they keep that footage in? So that footage is in it, is it? I don't know. The actual... don't know. Now I do want to go back and watch that again. Yeah.
00:28:04
Speaker
I mean, this is... what I don't know if people, are horror fans out there may or may not be aware. This is a kind of Canuck-sploitation film. So it's the that's the films that were made during the 70s, 80s period in Canada using predominantly Canadian crew and actors.
00:28:20
Speaker
um And it meant they got massive tax-like... um benefits from it didn't they so they could be made very very cheaply so that's why as you say it's it's it's so they're going to um well mean they don't say where they are but it's obviously the snow because it's up it's in canada somewhere and you've got canadian actors in it like the guy that plays kenny and a few of the other people in it are canadian and and the crew all that they were canadian so it's kind of there were quite a few of them at the time they don't They usually don't, you don't really know they're in Canada. They're kind of pretending they're not in Canada, which I think is kind of funny, but yeah. But my point is you can tell this film's quite cheap. It does look quite cheap, not in a bad way.
00:29:01
Speaker
It's just its scope is quite cheap, really. I think they make the best thing. That's cool.
00:29:08
Speaker
I think that's what bugs me about it is that if you look at a lot of the other films from the period, I mean, she, uh, Jeremy Curtis, this was her, I think it was the third film. Cause I think they filmed this before, um, from, um, they were doing them at the same time. In fact, Oh, was it the same time? Yeah. good They were both in Canada, weren't they? Because Prom Night was filmed in Canada as well. Let me have a look. Where's my little... word I've got... She had three films come out in 1980. She was doing well because the film came out in 1980 as well. Prom Night was late 79, filmed in Toronto in August and September released in 80. Terror Train was in Montreal November and December of 79 and released in October of 80. So she really was making them like... did Went from one to the other. um yeah uh again yeah so yeah november and december it was shot over right just two months two months of filming for that yeah yeah that explains a lot maybe so did you hear about how it was written as well have you have you got the facts on the writing of it
00:30:13
Speaker
Oh, I got the about the name of it. Yeah. Is it to the name? Yeah. So yeah, a little bit. Yeah. So one weekend night after seeing Halloween and silver streak, Daniel Grodnick woke up and asked his wife, what do you think about putting Halloween on a train? His wife answered, That's terrible. He jotted down terrible train on a piece of paper on his nightstand. In the morning, he changed the title to terror train, wrote up a 22 page script and made a deal with Sandy Howard's company at 3am that afternoon.
00:30:45
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Like that explains it to me because it is really sloppy. Like this is a, This is a time when there was a lot of poorly put together horror that we still love anyway. And usually because of the gore.
00:30:58
Speaker
yeah And I think that's what lets this down is we could probably overlook what I could. Maybe im I've got more of a problem with this one maybe than other people might, but I would probably overlook the sloppy story in the holes. Yeah.
00:31:11
Speaker
If the kills were like, yeah, no, can I can, can't, creative and memorable and stuff. I do agree with you there. Yeah. No, no, the kills are not, are not, not as memorable as they should be. I do agree with you there.
00:31:23
Speaker
It's weird for him to have based it on, you know, Halloween. Like a lot the films in Halloween are actually quite graphic. So you're thinking, if you're thinking i'm going to do Halloween on a train, you know. Yeah.
00:31:35
Speaker
No, i i think it i think it I think it's got a lot of potential, this film, and it runs out. I mean, we're nearly there, but the final reveal,
Revelation of the Killer
00:31:44
Speaker
I think, is interesting. Would you say it runs out of steam?
00:31:47
Speaker
that what you'd say? I would say that, yeah. So basically, yeah, so the the killer gets thrown off the train, but they've not been thrown off the train. They're on the side of the train um and they climb back on, um but not before Jamie Lee Curtis has gone to where David Copperfield's hanging out because they're convinced it's David Copperfield because they find... In the, in the, is it in the, um the, what's it, the book, the, what are they called? Those books that they have in America. Again, we don't have them in England. That's why I don't know the name of them. um Yeah. Oh, yearbook.
00:32:19
Speaker
That he was in the, he was a magician in whatever. So they're convinced it's David Copperfield, even though he doesn't look that much like the actor that played anyway. ah But then she finds David Copperfield in his own sword chest, impaled with swords. So it's not him.
00:32:34
Speaker
um So there's one final fight and in fact it is revealed that Kenny was in fact in plain sight all along but actually the magician's assistant. So we've got now... Now what i thought was in drag good about this yeah what I thought was good about this is there are quite a lot of films from this period where that reveal, so a kind of gender-switched reveal, is done quite gratuitously and quite kind of like...
00:33:04
Speaker
shockingly and like you know kind of a lot of these were inspired by psycho but it's it's supposed to be like oh look how mad that person is they're a man dressed as woman how mad is that yeah i mean and i know we've both seen films where it's way more gratuitous of like oh you know you know revealing that this person has a or whatever or they don't have or whatever we've seen films where they do that in horror films I quite like in this that there is this kind of gender swap, this kind of transgendered element, but it's not actually gratuitously done or even dwelled on.
00:33:40
Speaker
i think it's quite good. Alana just rolls with it. Yeah, and I quite like that. Yeah, and I quite like that. And I ah kind of had a little inkling that maybe that was what was going on, but I wasn't sure. And I think it's well done. And actually, the very end,
00:33:55
Speaker
what really happens is that Kenny kind of just, he starts repeating the things from the beginning, doesn't he? Like, oh, you know, about kiss me and like, we're getting a lot of the lines that happened during his traumatic yeah moment. yeah And then he just goes mental and starts spinning again. That was a bad idea. It's a bad idea by him to revisit that. Yeah, he shouldn't.
00:34:15
Speaker
Because he starts spinning out like a windmill again, doesn't he? Yeah, he starts spinning out like windmill again. and the the conductor comes in and basically just smashes him over the back ah with a shovel. And you see him fall this like insane distance into the icy water and just be like gone.
00:34:33
Speaker
and Dead on impact. Dead on impact. That is literally the last shot is a train going away. But I mean, as endings go, ah quite like that. I quite like that doesn't dwell on it. we're just It's just revealed in this kind of... why it's not, oh my God, like I ah quite like that.
00:34:49
Speaker
um But that all said, I do agree with you that this film is not, it doesn't have the good enough killings to justify the slowness and, you know, it doesn't balance back out.
00:35:03
Speaker
no No. No, doesn't, unfortunately. In my head, it's either... The only reason you're going to hold back on kills is, one, you've really not got enough money for, um you know, the gore, which I would have thought wouldn't be an issue in the 80s, really, because, you know, they just...
00:35:19
Speaker
made things happen with what they had about. um Or the other thing might have been that they were trying to get it below a threshold for a rating. Like if they wanted it to be on TV or something. like Sometimes people do that, but it didn't really feel like that.
00:35:35
Speaker
It just felt a bit like they hadn't really... It felt a bit rushed, I suppose. And if it did only take two months to film, maybe they did just, maybe there was a lot of stuff that they needed to, that they work wanted to come back to and reshoot and they just didn't get a chance. Maybe Jamie Lee Curtis's schedule yeah like got in the way, you know?
00:35:54
Speaker
Yeah, it just feels like she was a busy bunny at this time. whos She was, she was a hot hot ticket. um Yeah, I think yeah I agree. I think it's like, It's got a good idea.
00:36:04
Speaker
And then instead of, yeah, instead of just the script just being like, you know, really graphic kill or like really cool kill or like, oh my God, it's that person. Oh no, it's not that person. It's this person. A lot of that, they just kind of then went into kind of just that middle section is quite boring. It's not much going on. And yeah,
00:36:22
Speaker
you're not really there's not really an investigation going on either i don't really even remember what's going on in that middle section but it's not no it's not ah it's not what should be going on in the such a slasher there should be way it's not scary enough there's not enough stalking or enough kind of like yeah it's not gory and it's not scary it doesn't it doesn't really fit either of those does it kind of sits in the middle somewhere unfortunately from such a good idea and good set up It is. In my notes I've written that there's just not enough sort of from the killer's perspective. And I know like that sort of gets overplayed. You don't necessarily have sort of like, you don't have to have first person POV or whatever.
00:37:00
Speaker
But i just feel like um considering the film shows its hand very early and it tells you who the killer is in the opening sequence. So throughout the film, you're basically thinking it probably is this person who freaked out in the press. is Kenny. yeah which I think is like prom night, isn't it? Is is's prom night like that as well? I believe so. Yes, I believe. I've not, it's a long time since I saw prom night.
00:37:23
Speaker
Yeah. So that kind of ruins it a bit because you're a bit like, is it him? And and when it is, you're a bit like, oh, okay. um But yeah. um oh The train has left the station.
00:37:34
Speaker
we missed our train. um We're going to miss the party train. We missed the deadline. That's that's for sure. um But yeah ah yeah, it's just, yeah, there was a lot of questions I hadn't yet. More, because there there was too much time when, like you said, it was just sort of dialogue for dialogue's sake and we weren't really seeing what the killer was doing. No. Like maybe a body being dragged somewhere or... yeah rob rather also doesn't it doesn't It doesn't give you more because they're not math they're not that interesting. The characters aren't that interesting. they're not i i think Jamie Lee Curtis really liked this character for some reason. I've read interviews that she liked this character more than the one in Prom Queen. yeah But it's they're not very good characters. You don't really need to know that much about them. even Even the Kenny character, you don't really need to know too much about. Not really. And you're not even not getting that anyway. so yeah So what is happening in that middle? It's not enough. It's not entertaining enough.
00:38:30
Speaker
it's not horrible enough definitely so and Delana's costume was awful as well her her yeah her you know fancy dress was terrible don't if it was supposed to be pirate just biglousy big blousy big blousy shirt like pirate style everyone else has got like masks and yeah there's some good ones on there yeah disappointed let down but just because there's a couple of other things that freaked me out don't know whether you laughed when you saw these as well but there was one where that scene you talked about with the cage um when she was fighting with him well and he was weirdly breaking the lights for some reason don't know why yeah yeah that was a bit that was weird and then also like she sprayed him with a fire extinguisher that I think was water but like freaked out like it was like yeah acid or something it's like oh Yeah, that's a real sloucher thing, isn't it? Yeah, they do that a lot. The other really weird one was where he pulled her earring out. He's got a pin on the floor and he pulls her earring out. Oh, got it. Just one. Oh, yes. For no particular reason. And I'm just like... Yeah, that's... Yeah, that's... he didn't even mean to do it. was just a bit like, why?
00:39:35
Speaker
a bit like, why? I don't know. It's just like... It's sort of... The camera really, like, focuses on the earring and, like, the pulling out of the... And I was just like... That is horrible, though. It's horrible, but are you bit like, is that as is that is that the best you can do? I guess I was feeling at that point. Is this supposed to make up for the fact that we didn't see... Yeah, maybe. Not good enough. yeah Not bloody enough.
00:39:56
Speaker
Maybe. Maybe. Someone should hope for all... Oh, yeah. know, we give some facts. Well, I've got a few other little facts. Not many. You know, we're talking about the name of the yeah the name of it. It was that yeah we went from Terrible Train to being called Switchback to then Train to Terror and then Terror Train.
00:40:17
Speaker
So I think Switchback's not a bad name. Switchback's good, yeah. Yeah, Switchback's quite good. I do like Terror Train, though, is the name. that's Yeah, Terror Train's quite good. The actor that played Kenny, he wasn't, did you read about him? He wasn't actually, he was a drag performer and he didn't, he turned up with a friend to the casting and they were just like, oh yeah, we want you. And he didn't really know what he was then involved in. LAUGHTER So and then he wound the director up a bit because he didn't really know that you're supposed to turn up on time. And he was just a bit. He just didn't. He wasn't really an actor. He was just he was a performer. But I think he gives a good performance. um I thought he was really good, actually. Yeah, yeah. No, he was very good. Unfortunately for for him, Derek McKinnon, he became embroiled with an actual
Real-Life Eerie Connection
00:41:01
Speaker
murderer.
00:41:01
Speaker
ah He was the neighbour and acquaintance of Luke Magnotta, a one-time porn actor who was convicted of the 2012 murder of a Chinese college student whose remains he dismembered and maimed, oh, dismembered and mailed, sorry, to several local schools.
00:41:17
Speaker
In an interview after Magnotta's arrest, McKinnon speculated he may have been inspired by his character in this movie. Wow. um I don't know about that. That feels like a weird bit of self-publicity because I don't have anything do with what happens in this. But and i yeah, how crazy is that? So you do a horror film that's horrible and then years later, you're neighbour of ah ah a horrible murderer.
00:41:39
Speaker
Yeah. And already that idea of sending like mailing parts of people to schools, that feels like way more of a scary slasher film idea than Terror Train now. Yeah, it I like it have made a better film.
00:41:52
Speaker
But, you know, yeah obviously respect ah trying to be as respectful as possible to the people have lost their lives in that terrible tragedy. Sorry. Yeah. But yes. um Yeah. Horrible. ah Yeah. My only other one is that um there's a this did that someone did remake this. Did you know?
00:42:08
Speaker
No, i did wonder. Well, feels like it would be ripe for a remake. Yes. So that there's a film called Train from 2008 starring Thora Birch, which started as a remake of this, but then turned into an original project. But a remake of Terror Train set on Halloween was produced by T-U-B-I,
00:42:30
Speaker
and Canadian company Incendo Productions. it was shot in Montreal and released on Tubi's streaming platform in 2022. So there is a real remake of this called, guess it's just called Terror Train, but it's still on Halloween instead of New Year's. Oh, amazing. I'll check that out actually because that Tubi is like a free platform, isn't it? It's like a free TV streaming platform. So, yeah, so it's probably on there. So, yeah. Yeah, no, I think, like said I said, yeah, I mean, as you say, in my kind of like in summary, I think it's a good, it's got a good, it's got a good idea.
Conclusion and Recommendation
00:43:03
Speaker
There's some good ideas within it. Being on a train is good idea. Being at a party is a good idea. A killer taking multiple different, um,
00:43:11
Speaker
costumes is a good idea. i like all of that. Unfortunately, i don't think any of those things are done well enough within this. It's not a good film. It's not very well made. The actors are okay, but they're not brilliant.
00:43:23
Speaker
um So I, Overall, no, I do not think it is a classic. I don't think it deserves to sit in a pantheon and of great slashers. It's okay. I think if you're a Jamie Lee Curtis completist, you should see it. But I don't know there's that much to recommend, really. like Unless you just love 80 slashers so much, you have to see them all, like Pokemon. Yeah, the moment which I suppose I feel I do. I mean, how would you rate it out of five? many stars would you give it?
00:43:51
Speaker
Like two to three. Oh, yeah. Good. Yeah, good. I'm glad that that's not going to make me sound too harsh then. because um would you What's your thoughts then? It was. Well, i really wanted to I really wanted to like this. And I did think pretty much anything with Jamie Lee Curtis in from that era is going to be watchable and probably quite good for, you know, one way or another. And I would almost argue with the guy, the guy who came up with that original idea, he said his wife ah said it was a terrible idea. I feel like the idea is pretty good, actually. Yes, yeah, the idea good. Like a slasher on a train.
00:44:26
Speaker
Yes. That's pretty original. But what happened was it was the execution of and I think it was like three people that ended up sort of co-writing it, and maybe it got diluted and confused there. Yeah. but um So, yeah, i was I was left disappointed, really, with this one. And I think I would probably give it I think like you, i think it'd probably be something like two and a half stars, I think, which is it's really bad an 80s slasher. Do you know what? That's okay. We hadn't seen it. I think it's good that we've watched it.
00:44:55
Speaker
You know, these can't they can't all be winners. because it's It's nice to have something that's a bit, you know, different. um You know, yeah. That's okay. I wanted to use another train analogy, but couldn't think of one quick enough. Something to do with it being disappointing. Leave the station.
00:45:09
Speaker
It doesn't leave the station. It ran out of steam. We didn't do Love Horror Links. Have you got any Love Horror Links for us, Tom? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so i have actually. um So arguably a couple of my ideas ah might be just as bad as this. So don't shoot me if you go to follow these links and you hate what you see.
00:45:30
Speaker
So the first one's a good one. And I know you're going to agree with me this, with with this one, Alex, midnight meat train. Oh, I love that. That's a brilliant film. That's a really Bradley Cooper and Vinnie Jones starring in that one. Yeah, exactly. Don't be put off by Vinnie Jones. He's actually really good at it. Exactly. He's amazing in that. He's the subway butcher serial killer, um killing people on trains. I remember that being very bloody and quite disturbing.
00:45:55
Speaker
and um Yeah, as as in horrors set set on a train, i think that's probably the best. I think it's based on a Clive Barker novel as well. Yeah, something to do with him, definitely. Oh, I'd forgotten about that. Oh, good one. Yeah, definitely. Well written and well executed, that one. Then there's another one that's really weird that's called ah Night Train to Terror. Now, I haven't seen this. I've read about it and I've seen the trailer.
00:46:19
Speaker
ah Not much of the film, it had such a similar title, I thought, you've got to put it in there. It's 1985, so a bit more recent. oh But if you see the trailer, you'll feel like it was... older because it looks very bad.
00:46:32
Speaker
But that's an anthology film. And weirdly, the wraparound story, it's an anthology. And weirdly, the yeah the stories in the anthology aren't set on the train. But by listen to this for a weird idea.
00:46:45
Speaker
The wraparound is God and Satan on the train to Vegas. And they are like having an argument about who's the best. And they sort of decide the fate of the people in these stories.
00:46:59
Speaker
So really weirdly connected to a trade maybe for some reason. That is a mad idea. Yeah, it's really weird. But um just watch the trailer. if if Even if you don't watch the film, watch trailer. The trailer's entertaining in itself. And the ah the last one, ah Bloody New Year, which is a British slasher i seen set on New Year's Eve. And that's about Haunted Hotel, ah where a bunch teens go to spend their New Year's Eve and all get picked off. But is that's, again, a bad film. I think that's 1987. Yeah. Pretty bad, pretty low budget, but yeah sort of so bad it's good territory.
00:47:36
Speaker
That's okay. but it Fast fun, though. but we Yeah, we like that. I've got a few. Well, Prom Night. We did say Prom Night already. There's an amazing Prom Night worth watching. Not good. Worth watching for Jamie Lee Curtis's disco dancing. There's a great disco dance scene.
00:47:51
Speaker
with Jamie Lee Curtis. Worth watching for that. Doesn't it also have a record for the longest chase sequence the longest continuous... There's some sort of... I should have fact-checked that. had a record up until the time where it was like... It's when she's running along a corridor.
00:48:09
Speaker
yeah yeah I'll find out. sorry Interesting. Train to Busan. That's a good film. Zombies on a train. Of course. Yeah. That's the best of all of these, I think. Yeah, that is very good. But it's zombies. But yeah. My other one I've got is Horror Express 1972.
00:48:26
Speaker
um That's a very good film. um It's got, um it's got, oh God, Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee in it. And the reason I mention it is because there was ah a a great crime author, one of my favourite crime authors, John Connolly, he wrote a book about this film called horror express. The books are express. And on our website, there's, we've got a review of horror express, but we've also got a review of his book about horror express.
00:48:55
Speaker
um So yeah, so that's, that's good. That's um kind of, um it's on a train kind of supernaturally, but they're great together. They're like almost like kind of like they're the kind of, they're the two leads. They're like the two goodies in it against this supernatural entity. That's very good. But yeah,
00:49:11
Speaker
Yeah, you can't go wrong with Peter Cushing, can you? No. Or Christopher Lee. They're both great. ah Yes, they they were my one. So, yeah. butlthough we did we did well. we got within we're in We're in the time. We did all right.
00:49:23
Speaker
I think so. I think we just about squeezed that in. I think we could argue our corner with that one for this episode. But, you know, without thinking too far ahead, can you remember what the next one is or do you want me to tease you? Well, I can remember what the next one is. It's a chilly one, isn't it?
00:49:43
Speaker
Well, I think it goes well. It's good for February, which is when we will be when it will come out. It's a definitely a cold film. is. The coldest. One of the coldest. And I think it's a film as well that we won't be kind of like, oh, is it good? Is it going to get good score? um yeah But tell everyone, tell the folks, what is it? What is it?
00:50:05
Speaker
It's The Thing. John Carpenter's The Thing. It's 1982, I think, off the top my head. ah Is that right? Is it 82? How have we not got a review of The Thing? on the Big spoiler. No, I don't know. This is why we need to do that one because so many times we write about that on Love Horror yeah and we don't have something to link to. It's true. Actually, in fact, we need to get all of these reviews onto Love Horror as well in pod form so you guys can find them. um Yeah.
00:50:35
Speaker
Yeah. So looking forward to that, though. Definitely. Next episode. Yeah. Get even colder, even colder than January, February of sub zero. Yes. Well, no. Well, that that's that's us. As we say, Happy New Year. Thanks for sticking with us. um We're still going. We're still here. um And we will choo-choo, choo-choo on.
00:50:56
Speaker
I don't know. We'll be here again for the thing. Yep, that'll be that'll be next month. um Thank you for loving horror as much as we do. Any any last words, Tom?
00:51:06
Speaker
Thank you. Yep, just pack parka for the next one because it's going to get icy. It's going to be icy. I just felt like that was going to be good. But very good until then, see you in the next episode. Bye!