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E088: KK'S Corner
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When Marty LeBouef, Stacie Reeves, and Nicole Guidry were about to close down KK’s Corner gas station and convenience store for the night, they had no idea that the final men who walked in would not only take all the money in the store but also take their lives. An eyewitness account has guided police to the incarceration of one of the men involved, but what about the others? Can we help find justice for the victims by re-opening the case to find the other perpetrator(s)?
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Introducing True Crime Creepers Podcast
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Sleuth Hounds, do we have a favor that we are doing you again this week? If you are looking for a new podcast, which let's be honest, we know you are because you've already binged every single episode of Coffee and Cases, maybe twice, I wanted to give you a suggestion to keep you going for your true crime fix. I wanted to tell you about an amazing option. It's called True Crime Creepers. Here's a little bit about them.
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Hey peeps and creeps, let me introduce you to a new true crime podcast, true crime creepers, where we talk about all the real life creeps from con artists to serial killers. I'm Kristin, the true crime fanatic who loves to tell these stories. And I'm Mogab, the true crime newbie who hasn't heard any of them. No, really, she's heard none of them. Hey.
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I guess that's true. Each week, Kristen tells me a new case with excellent victim-centered storytelling. We laugh, we cry, we get scrunch face, but we always stay respectful of the victims and their story while ruthlessly dragging criminals.
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Flaming them. We've covered everything, from con artist Anna Delvi, a personal favorite of mine, to unsolved crimes like the Austin yogurt shop murders. With a five star rating on iTunes, go check us out because we're probably that true crime podcast you've been looking for. You can find true crime creepers wherever you get your podcast. New episodes every Thursday. Bye peeps and creeps.
The Rabbit's Foot Case Introduction
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Kristin and Mogab are not only fantastic storytellers, I literally laughed out loud at some of their episodes I've been listening to, but they're also great people. And Sluthounds, you and I both know, we need to support good people. So check them out today. It seems fitting that our case this week hinges around the conflicting symbol of a rabbit's foot.
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Most of us, not only here in the United States, but also around the world, associate a rabbit's foot with good luck. Many of us even, especially in the 1980s and 1990s, carried a rabbit's foot key chain. Thankfully for the rabbits, those rabbit's feet have long since been made of latex and other synthetic materials, including fake fur. But that was not always the case.
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And while the rabbit's foot itself is associated with good luck, as much as any other item like four-leaf clovers, we really don't know why. In some cultures, the rabbit is believed lucky because it burrows underground and is therefore closer to the spirits. In other cultures, the rabbit is lucky because rabbits are fertile, thus representing new life.
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Some famous people like Sarah Jessica Parker make it a point to utter rabbit rabbit as her first words spoken on the first day of each month and hopes that the rest of the month will bring good luck. The conflict comes in when looking at what was originally believed to give the foot its quality of luck.
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In order to imbue the foot with positive vibes, everything about the procuring of the foot must be associated with bad luck. The worse, the better.
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To illustrate, in order to give the amulet the best luck possible, it would, according to myth, need to be a rabbit captured by a cross-eyed redhead in a graveyard at midnight with a full moon, preferably on Friday the 13th.
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Since the left side is usually associated with a curse, the foot would need to be taken from the back left of the rabbit. And best of all would be if the rabbit were killed on a grave, and the worse the scoundrel whose grave the rabbit is killed on, the better. For there to be luck, the foot must be associated with the worst luck of all.
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The rabbit's foot, just as much as it is linked with luck, has its roots in death and in evil. So when a witness in our case this week recalled when hypnotized one perpetrator carrying a rabbit's foot, the symbol seems, knowing the history, not ironic, but quite fitting.
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Its carrier brought evil with him that day into the gas station convenience store in Lake Charles, Louisiana on July 6th, 1997. He brought death and grief to the family still trying to piece their lives back together, still trying to understand all these years later. This is the story of KK's Corner.
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Oh.
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Welcome to Coffee and Cases, where we like our coffee hot and our cases cold. My name is Allison Williams. And my name is Maggie Dameron. We will be telling stories each week in the hopes that someone out there with any information concerning the case will take those tips to law enforcement so justice and closure can be brought to these families.
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With each case, we encourage you to continue in the conversation on our Facebook page, Coffee and Cases podcast, and to follow us on Instagram at Coffee Cases podcast and on TikTok at Coffee and Cases podcast. Because as these families know, conversation helps to keep their missing family member in the public consciousness, helping to keep their memories alive. So sit back, sip your coffee, and listen to what's brewing this week.
Crime Scene at KK's Corner Gas Station
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So I'm like super intrigued by just the title of this case. Like is KK, is KK a store? Like I'm super intrigued to know. So KK's is the name of this like gas station convenience store. Not Krispy Kreme.
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No, I'm going to bring up some Krispy Kreme here in just a second. Oh, yeah. We have to. But Maggie, the case this week, KK's Corner, is on the Crime Door app. Which we love. So after we finish, yes, you need to check it out. But I have to say, most of the cases on that app usually have
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several podcast episodes or television snippets that are about the case. And the one on KK's corner only had one podcast episode. And that's it. Now two. Yeah, this is not a case that's been widely covered, surprisingly. Well, I'm intrigued.
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Well, just like some of our other cases that we've covered in the past, as I mentioned in the introduction, this one does rely on the use of hypnosis for some of the crucial information. So you know there's going to be a little bit of controversy, right, with that. But there are some elements that the witness talks about while under hypnosis that have been verified.
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So let's do it. Okay, you ready to dive in. Yes. Okay, let's go. So the setting for our case this week is Lake Charles Louisiana, which is in Calcasieu parish.
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And it was in this little convenience store gas station at the corner of Tom Hebert Road and Highway 14. And I've never had the pleasure of visiting Louisiana. I do have a strong desire to see New Orleans. Anthony did get to go to New Orleans, and it was like right when I started teaching at my last school. And so I felt bad asking for the time off, but I could have went with him, but I didn't go. I would love to see New Orleans. You're welcome. Yeah.
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I'm telling you the dedication Maggie. Again, like we talked about last week, zero boundaries for my mental health or personal life. I know you needed that trip and you didn't get it. I don't want to go to New Orleans during Mardi Gras though.
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No, no. Like that doesn't appeal to me. I think that would like overwhelm my senses. I think so too. And you know, because I'm a scaredy cat and I'm like, who's going to try to kill me? Then I'd be like, all these masked people. No, thank you. Yeah. No says I. Right. So while I've never been to Louisiana, I have been to my fair share of convenience store gas stations.
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Me too. And my little sluess hound. She even has a favorite one on a route that we frequently travel. Right. And this convenience store gas station is amazing, not only because it has a wide variety of coffee flavors, which is a plus for me.
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But it also has like 15 different. Yeah. Yeah. And all kinds of candy. So that's why she loves it. Yes, exactly. So I know you'll know what I'm talking about because you're from like Eastern Kentucky. Yeah. So, you know, the gas station that's like on your way to Huntington, that's like shaped like a castle. Yeah.
00:11:34
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That was like always, I think people there call it like a bird's cage or bird's nest or something weird. And people not from there like me call it the castle, but like we as a family would always go to the Huntington Mall before school started. I'm talking like me and all my like girl cousins. And that was like the best thing was we stopped at the castle and it was just the coolest. And that's kind of what that reminds me of.
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Oh yeah, like if you travel a lot, you have a favorite convenience store gas station. Yes, yes you do. And of course, I would say that any gas station store that stocks Krispy Kreme donuts is a good one in my book. Yes. So there's my weekly mention of Krispy Kreme. I told you it'd be coming up. Yes. But gas stations, and I don't know if this is because
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I'm a woman or because I'm just a scaredy cat. But as much as they can be good and they can hold coffee and these delicious treats inside, they're also scary places. Yeah. Especially if you're by yourself. Oh yeah. Yeah. Especially if I'm by myself and it's dark outside. Then I'm like super careful about which stations I pull into.
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So like ones that are extremely busy, but not with people who are just like lounging outside it can be busy that way. Like people actually like pumping gas or getting snacks like that type of busy. Right, and I like the ones that are well lit. And I also lock my car when I get out because i'm like nobody's slipping into my backseat when my back is turned. Yes, so I lock it up. Yes, sometimes I even.
00:13:19
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Like call Anthony, like I've done that several times. Like if I'm driving back to my parents' house, first off, I never stop at the rest area because that's where you go to get kidnapped. So I always go to the gas station, which is like down the road a little, but if it's like time to getting, getting dark, like I'll call Anthony while I'm pumping gas and like I'm that weirdo that's like peeing in the stall on the phone with someone.
00:13:43
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Oh, I totally do that too. Yeah. I call, I call Rodney and it like somehow makes me feel safer. Yeah. Like what are they going to do? But yeah. Right. But at least he knows where I am, if anything. Yeah, exactly. She disappeared from the shell station, you know. He was in the middle stall. She told me. I heard her peeing. Yeah.
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But our case this week took place in 1997. So that was really before cell phones were an item that literally everyone owns. And at midnight on July 5th into the early morning hours of July 6th, well, so KK's corner was at an intersection, right, which is again, usually a good place to stop because it's usually fairly busy. But
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this particular night, it was not this like bustling epicenter of activity. Instead, it was pretty quiet. And they were just about to close up the gas station. So it's like right before midnight. There were only three people there at KK's Corner. 21 year old Marty LaBeouf, who was working the night shift. He was saving money for college. 26 year old Stacey Reeves,
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a single mother of two young twin girls who was also working that night. And then 14-year-old Nicole Gidry. And Nicole was there because she was actually supposed to go home with Stacy and stay the night with her because Nicole was going to babysit Stacy's twins the next day.
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Let's just say this case has so many strange last names. Y'all know I can't pronounce names anyways. I would be on the struggle bus with this one, so I'm glad you're covering this case. A bunch of them I had to look up and I had to like watch videos just to know how to say the names correctly. But just before midnight, a woman did pull up to pump some gas, Virginia Johnson.
00:15:53
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So she gets there and I don't know if this is like, I, I've never had to do this, but I don't, so I don't know if it's like a regional thing where like you have to go inside to prepay for your gas. I know sometimes some stores, you have to do that if you're paying cash. Yeah. Well, maybe that was it because she went into KK's corner, Virginia Johnson did, and she prepaid for $10 in gas.
00:16:23
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When she was in the store, she noticed this muscular white male walk into the store also, and he walked straight to the beer cooler.
00:16:35
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And as she was exiting the store to go pump her gas, because she's just giving them her $10, she's going out to go pump it, a second white male was entering at the same time she was exiting. And she remembered that moment because he bumped into her and he didn't say, excuse me or anything. This is like when I would be like quickly pumping my, heck, I might leave without pumping my gas if I had enough to go.
00:17:01
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Well, she kind of did that. So she told authorities and she reported later to America's most wanted that when that second, especially when the second one bumped into her and like didn't say excuse me or anything, she had this horrible feeling about these two men. And around this time, it was just a few minutes after midnight at this point, Marty's dad called him.
00:17:27
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to tell Marty that he had left him a plate of barbecue in the microwave and it would be waiting for him when he got home. Because this is the Saturday after 4th of July. We talked about this in last week's episode. The 4th of July celebrations, the festivities continue. So this was the Saturday right after, so 4th of July weekend.
00:17:51
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Marty's family had a barbecue and his dad was
Victims Found and Investigation Begins
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kind enough to make him a plate, left it in the microwave so it would be there when Marty got home from work. So Marty thanked his dad. He was like, I'll be home in just a few minutes, right? Because remember, it's time to close up. And then they exchanged, I love yous. Okay, so at first, I thought that perhaps Virginia Johnson was going to be like the victim of today's story.
00:18:19
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But now I kind of think I might be wrong. Yeah. Because meanwhile, Virginia Johnson began to get her gas. And while she was doing so, she's kind of like looking around, as we all do, right? What else are you going to do? So she's looking around and she sees this black car that looked similar to a late 1980 Chevrolet spectrum.
00:18:43
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And then, because it's a convenience store, there's windows everywhere, she glances back into the store and she noticed that the two men who had entered were now arguing near the beer cooler. And whatever their body language seemed to indicate to her, seeing them argue, she already had a bad feeling.
00:19:03
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And seeing them argue made her so nervous that she actually left without getting her full $10 of gas. Like she was like, stopped pumping, put it up, got in the car, left. So did the two men come together to the gas station? I'm assuming so because there was only the one black car that she saw outside. She kind of reminds me a little bit of like how observant my mom is. Like I know I've told this story before, but when we got a flat tire and like,
00:19:32
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a man pulled over and we were like, no, that's okay. Like the sheriff or the police officer is on his way or whatever. When he got back in, my mom was like, okay, his hair was this color. He had a tattoo on this arm that looked like this. He had a pierced ear and this ear, he had a necklace on that was like this. Like she knew all this stuff. Right. And you're like, I just remember that I told him we're fine. He had a, was driving a red truck. That's like all I could say. Yeah. Well, Virginia actually came back past the station around 1230 with her boyfriend.
00:20:02
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And she looked again as they were passing by and she saw that the black car was still there, but now it had its trunk open. And it was now also joined by a red, full-sized pickup truck that had its driver's side door open. So she drove back by like to kind of check and see what was going on or just like by closing it and drove back by.
00:20:27
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That I'm not clear on. I just know that she did go back by and it was about 30 minutes later. And I'm assuming because this is 1997, we probably didn't have security cameras at this gas station. Actually, they did. Oh.
00:20:44
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But there's a problem with that, that I'll get to. Of course there is. They also had a security alarm. Oh, good. And at night, when they would lock up, they would set this security alarm, right? And when the store security alarm wasn't activated that night at its normal time,
00:21:01
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WatchGuard security had actually called the sheriff's department and asked them to have a patrol car go by KK's corner to check the store's doors because the alarm wasn't set. No officer was ever dispatched to KK's corner that night. Not so awesome. At least
00:21:21
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not until a call came in to 911 around 5 a.m. on July 6th from Deborah Tubbs who was one of the two workers who came in for the morning shift. I don't, I'm like sick to my stomach thinking about what you're getting ready to tell me she found. It was bad. Deborah reports that when she arrived at KK's corner around 4 50 a.m.
00:21:45
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When she entered the gas station, she just followed her normal routine at first. And the first step was to disable the alarm system. And that's when she realized, yeah, it hadn't been activated from the night before. And once she realized that, then she starts to take notice of other things. And she notices that the cash drawer was open, the safe was open, and the door to the security office had been busted in.
00:22:16
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So Deborah like quickly reaches over the counter to grab the phone and she calls 911. And only then did the police report to KK's corner to investigate. And I just wonder. You're getting ready to say the same thing as me. Like I wonder if this is one of those cases if had they had like had they gone out the night before when the security people called, if that we would be discussing a different outcome with this case. That's yes, that is exactly what I wonder.
00:22:47
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And once police arrive at the scene, they saw the same disarray that Deborah Tubbs had reported.
The Role of Hypnosis in the Investigation
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This was obviously the scene of a robbery because a few thousand dollars in cash, checks, and credit card slips were missing. But then the case took a much more sinister turn when an officer began to search the store for clues and discovered the bodies of Marty LaBeouf, Stacey Reeves, and Nicole Guidry in the walk-in cooler.
00:23:16
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Oh, and all three of them had been shot to death. Oh my God. Shot multiple times. So as the police are doing their investigation, they actually noticed that the phone lines to the front and back offices had been cut. Was James case.
00:23:38
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Yeah, that scares the crap out of me. Yeah, cut phone lines, which now it doesn't matter because we have cell phones, but back when land lines. Yeah. So they assume that that happened prior to the perpetrators entering the store. And notice I said perpetrators, plural, but more on that in a second.
00:24:04
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So the police assume that fairly soon after Virginia had left the station, you know, when she gets creeped out and she like stops pumping gas and she leaves. Have they talked to her by this point? No, they had not.
00:24:22
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But later on, they assume that kind of this is the timeline that fairly soon after she left the so when the men were left alone with Marty, Stacy and Nicole, that Marty and Nicole were first taken to the freezer and shot.
00:24:40
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And then they believe that Stacy was made to open the safe. And they assume that because Stacy didn't have a key to the office where the surveillance tapes were. So you asked if there were surveillance cameras, there were. So whoever committed this knew they were being recorded. And they're like, give us the keys to this security office. And she's like, I don't have a key to it.
00:25:05
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And so that's when they busted the door off the hinges, and they took the surveillance tape. Wow. Yep. And afterward is when they think that Stacy was also taken to the walk-in cooler and shot. Well, I can't even imagine. You know you're walking to your death. Oh, at that point, absolutely. And what's worse, Maggie, is that there were no fingerprints
00:25:32
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And no other evidence that was left at the scene. That is weird. So it seems like, yeah, like these are people who knew what they were doing. They didn't leave any clues. They knew to cut the phone lines. Yep. They knew where the security footage was and they knew like, had the wherewithal to get it. Like this isn't somebody's first rodeo that you're going to, you know, carry it out and not leave anything behind.
00:25:59
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Deputy Sheriff Donald, with the nickname Lucky Delouche, was the lead investigator of the case. Again, a weird last name. I know, yeah, he had another one. He was the director of the Violent Crimes Task Force, and all of this was under the supervision of Sheriff Wayne McElveen. Okay, I could never live in this town because I could never pronounce anybody's last name.
00:26:26
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So the investigation, though, even from the beginning, it was aided by the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office, the Louisiana State Police, other area police departments, and by the FBI. Wow.
00:26:40
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They interviewed hundreds of people. This case was widely publicized in the area. Crime stoppers offered a $10,000 reward. And after a year with no answers, Sheriff Michael Veen offered a whopping reward of up to $100,000 for a conviction in the case. But the reward is embroiled in controversy. So something else that I will talk to you about in a few moments.
00:27:10
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Oh Lord. There's a lot of conflict in this case. There always is. Always. The one eyewitness Virginia Johnson recalled
00:27:22
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everything that she could about the men. So by the time she realizes what has happened and she hears about it, she contacts police. She's like, here's what I saw. So she shares everything that she could remember about the men, which was mostly that they were both white males in their late 20s to early 30s.
00:27:43
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She remembers that the first man, the one who walked straight to the beer cooler, was around six foot two, kind of stocky tan, light brown hair. And she helped police create a composite sketch of the first man. But her memory was a little bit more foggy when it came to the second one, the one who bumped into her.
00:28:06
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So I'm assuming like they bumped into each other, maybe they were both looking down. Yeah, like a quick exchange or something. Right. So she doesn't really have like a clear memory of what he looks like. So Virginia agreed to undergo hypnosis to see if like maybe there's some memories locked in her brain. Now we've talked about hypnosis on some of our other episodes. Yeah, it's always controversial.
00:28:33
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Yes, and especially when it's used for forensic purposes. In an article that I found called false witness, why is the US still using hypnosis? There's some clear bias in this article. Yeah, it was written by Ariel Ram Khandani.
00:28:58
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And it was published on October 4th, 2019. But she notes that, quote, hypnosis has been used as a forensic tool by US law enforcement and intelligence agencies since the Second World War.
00:29:12
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proponents argue that it allows victims and witnesses to recall traumatic events with greater clarity by detaching them from emotions that muddy the memory, end quote. So like most of us realize this, right? You would use hypnosis because you're trying to recall something that's like, so, I guess, closely connected with heightened emotions, that it's a way to take the emotions away. Yeah, we've talked about before, like kind of how
00:29:42
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We can't really trust our own memories because our brain can trick us. So I guess the hypnosis maybe kind of removes the brain tricking you part. That's what those who believe in hypnosis are. Yes.
00:29:55
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But a lot of people do question the validity of hypnosis because they fear, especially, that whoever is conducting the hypnosis can implant false memories or convolute even more the already problematic use of eyewitness testimony because we talk about all the time, memory is already fallible. So at my high school,
00:30:22
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We had Project Prom, so a lot of schools here have like Project Graduation, we have Project Prom. So after Prom, like we stayed all night long and there was like inflatables and different games and food and all that stuff. So there always was a hypnosis guy there and they would like do a show and they would ask for volunteers from the audience and I never did it.
00:30:44
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And but like it was hilarious like the stuff that they could make he can make people do. And so I always questioned how real it was like I want to believe it's fake. But then I'm like, oh, well, she would never act that like foolish in front of all of her classmates. So he always wondered like is it real or not.
00:31:03
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I'm the exact same because when I was, I didn't see it in high school, but in college, they brought this hypnotist entertainer to school a couple of times. Yeah. And he would call people on stage and they would, he would have them doing things like clucking like a chicken. Every time he clapped his hands or whatever. And I always wondered the same thing. I was like, are these people just playing along? You know what I mean?
00:31:28
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I would never do that though. I wouldn't play along. I just couldn't act that silly. Yeah. But I think it's the portrayals like those, like the ones that make hypnosis into the spectacle or joke that actually make us question
00:31:45
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the actual therapeutic uses of hypnosis because hypnosis, from what I understand, is very often used in therapy as a way to treat things like depression and pain and anxiety and stress and all kinds of other things. And so hypnosis should allow the one who's placed in a hypnotic state to
00:32:12
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access greater powers of concentration that can allow him or her to recall memories that have been suppressed, right? Or to find this space in their mind that's away from whatever's causing them pain. But I think the problem and why hypnosis is so controversial is, and especially when it's used by police, is that when you're under hypnosis, your suggestibility is also heightened.
00:32:42
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right, hence making somebody cluck like a chicken, but also the fear of false memories. Yeah, could they be kind of like planting? Right. Yeah. But when Virginia Johnson was hypnotized, she did recall a few more memories. So she had recalled that the second man had like this Marlboro key chain, which- Like the cigarettes? Yes, like the brand of cigarettes. Okay.
00:33:09
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But under hypnosis is when she also remembered him having a rabbit's foot keychain in his front pocket. That's such a specific memory. Yeah. But I guess, again, if she's looking down and kind of not really looking at his face, maybe that's something that her eyes would see.
00:33:33
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but even under hypnosis, her description of the second man's face, it was still too superficial to create a sketch, but she did provide a second sketch of the first man at that point as well. So we have a pretty accurate sketch of what the first man looked like. The second man, we know we had the Marlboro key chain and a rabbit's foot key chain in his front pocket. On January 28th, 1998,
00:34:02
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So the crime happened in 1997, right? So this is like six months later.
00:34:08
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America's Most Wanted actually aired a segment about the murders at KK's corner in Lake Charles. And in the segment that they aired, they included the composite of the first man that was taken from Virginia's memory. And they included the details about the second man, including those taken while under hypnosis. So it was actually that detail about the rabbit's foot key chain that made one woman take notice.
00:34:38
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Oh, yeah, that woman Lonnie Kemp, she was a Lake Charles resident. So she's from KK's corner area. And she heard the details about KK's corner, about the Marlboro Keychain, about the rabbit's foot in the front pocket. And she knew immediately who the second man was. Thomas Brank Sisko. So
00:35:06
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Obviously, this was like he kept this rabbit's foot always in his front pocket. Right. Right. Right. Exactly. So she immediately calls the violent crime task force to report Cisco. And Cisco was a man who knew one of the three K case corner victims. He knew Stacey Reeves.
00:35:29
Speaker
So Maggie, Lonnie Kemp, the woman who called in, her own daughter was also friends with Stacey Reeves. And Lonnie had actually seen Cisco around and she had even helped him out with some family issues before. So she's familiar with all of them. And she also recalled that even though she believed Cisco lived in New Orleans, which was like three and a half hours away from Lake Charles,
00:35:59
Speaker
that and this is what she reported to NBC News affiliate KPLC Channel 7 out of Lake Charles. She said that Stacy told her probably two weeks before Stacy was murdered that Cisco was going to be coming from New Orleans to Lake Charles. So are they like friends? Are they dating? I think they just
00:36:23
Speaker
like knew each other. They were in the same circle. Right. Yes. And so here's Lonnie, who's recalling this memory of Stacy telling her that Cisco was going to be coming. She knows Cisco carries this rabbit foot. And here's this woman who reports that the last man who saw these three alive had the rabbit's foot in his front pocket. So it seems pretty promising to police, I'm sure. Yes.
00:36:51
Speaker
So the FBI are eventually able to track him down in this town called Metairie, Louisiana, which is right outside of New Orleans. Okay, so Maggie's never moving to Louisiana. Yeah, because the print, I know that was another one I had to look up because Metairie does not look, it's M-E-T-A-I-R-I-E. Yeah, it doesn't look like how you pronounce it. I had to look it up. And once they found him, they interviewed him on May 12 and 13.
00:37:20
Speaker
1998. On May 12, Cisco actually admitted to the FBI that he was friends with Stacy. But he's basically like, well, I haven't heard from her for years since 1989. And I know he told them on that day that he was a heavy drug user and that it was possible
00:37:44
Speaker
that he had had a role in the murders, but you know, because of his drug use, he couldn't be sure. By the next day, the 13th though, Cisco's story had changed. This time he claims, nope, I've been in Metairie the entire July 4th weekend, which remember this Metairie and New Orleans is like three and a half hours away from Lake Charles. So he's like, I most definitely didn't have anything to do with what happened at KK's corner.
00:38:14
Speaker
Well, one of Cisco's neighbors in Metairie later testified at trial that he had actually told her he wouldn't be able to go to a barbecue with her the night of the fourth. And then she remembers she didn't see him again until Monday or Tuesday of the following week. So basically his second story is bull crap.
00:38:35
Speaker
Yes, it is starting to unravel. Then another witness testified that she had seen Cisco in KK's corner visiting with Stacey Reeves on at least two occasions in September of 1996. Which is after 1990 or after 1989. Exactly. So now his first story is unraveling as well. Yeah, so much for not having seen Stacey since 1989.
00:39:05
Speaker
So one would think, after having been caught in a lie twice now, that Cisco would realize, you know, maybe I shouldn't lie anymore. You know, but he continues, you know, he doesn't. Instead he continues to tell multiple versions of that night of July 5th into the morning of July 6th. In all, Cisco names about six different people as accomplices. So he does say he was there.
00:39:35
Speaker
Finally, yes, but his role in the murders varies depending on which confession you are looking at. Perfect. Okay. But some of the six people who he named as accomplices actually had alibis that checked out. So a bunch of his versions of what happened were proven false.
00:39:57
Speaker
Not surprising. And then no, not surprising at all. Two days prior to Cisco's arrest, he made a written statement saying that he did participate in the robbery, but that a different man had committed the murders. Right. So he's at least admitting that this is where I said like his role changed. Yeah.
00:40:22
Speaker
So Cisco then went on to describe though, the murders in such vivid detail. Okay. Okay. Okay. So he's saying I was there. I helped with the robbery. I did not commit the murders, but then you said he can describe the murders in vivid detail. So even if he didn't submit the murders, he did absolutely nothing to stop them apparently. Precisely. Yeah. Because these are details that only somebody present would know.
00:40:52
Speaker
So they know that he was there because he's giving them details that he wouldn't otherwise know. He stated in one of his many confessions,
00:41:03
Speaker
that Stacey Reeves, remember he knows her, had cried to him, begging for Sisko to let her go. But he told her, quote, I couldn't, or this is what he said in his confession, I couldn't because he would kill both of us, end quote.
00:41:23
Speaker
Okay. First off, that makes my stomach turn. It's super sad, but I feel like that's not something you would make up. Like that's pretty specific. Like I feel like that probably, that conversation probably did happen between him and
Cisco's Confessions and Legal Troubles
00:41:40
Speaker
Stacy. It could be, but I don't know if he said the whole, he would kill both of us. Right. I'm not sure.
00:41:49
Speaker
Upon investigation, the district attorney Rick Bryant noted that the other man who he had named, right? The one who he said, no, I was part of the robbery, but this other man actually killed them. The man who he named actually had an alibi.
00:42:07
Speaker
he was with his family playing bingo, which sounds like completely bizarre. Yeah. And I'll be so upset if somebody was just randomly naming me for a crime I didn't commit and I'm at my house playing family bingo. Yeah. And add that to the fact that the FBI actually asked Cisco to identify the man's house. Cause he said that he took a bus from
00:42:34
Speaker
his town into Lake Charles, right? And so they're basically like, which bus stop did you go to? Where does this guy live who you're implicating in the crime? And not only is Cisco not able to identify where the man's home is.
00:42:50
Speaker
But he's like, oh, I rode into Lake Charles on a bus from New Orleans and it took me to this bus stop that was currently in operation when he said, you know, this bus stop, but it wasn't even operational when the murders happened. So like he couldn't have gone to that bus stop. So again, his story is unraveling in yet another testimony. Oh my God. Yeah.
00:43:16
Speaker
Cisco named three accomplices, Malcolm, Bobby, and a third name, but Malcolm and Bobby were both ruled out. And the third man who was mentioned, his only alibi comes from his girlfriend at the time saying that he was with her, which again, I know doesn't make it
00:43:39
Speaker
false, right? Because you could be at home watching television, but nobody's the only one who can verify that you're there. But I, I don't know. That final accomplice does look uncannily like the composite sketch. Okay, so we know Cisco was there. We don't exactly know to what extent. We know there are multiple people involved.
00:44:09
Speaker
Correct. We know that at least two people arrived in the black car in the black shed. Yes. Yes. But wouldn't there be other people as well because there was a truck when Virginia went back by? That's what I'm thinking. But most of the things I've read, they really only talk about potentially two, but I'm thinking there needs, there's got to be at least three. Yeah.
00:44:35
Speaker
Well, then Maggie and another taped interview. Okay. Here we go. Yeah. Cisco reportedly said, quote, I loved Stacy and I would have gave anything in the world, but right at the time I didn't care. I didn't want to get caught lucky because remember that's the
00:44:56
Speaker
the cop yeah i took her into the cooler and shot her i know i shot her multiple times multiple times okay so then i'm sure she did beg him for her life just not right that he was saying it
00:45:12
Speaker
Yeah, and maybe Like this kind of where he was talking about he was doing drugs. Maybe that kind of played into that here Maybe like he was in a state that he didn't care at that time. But now he's like, oh my god Right like realization. Mm-hmm. Well this time, you know now he's admitting to the murder and
00:45:36
Speaker
Right? At least of Stacy. And I'm guessing he's arrested. He was arrested. And then Virginia Johnson was called in and they did a lineup. And Sisko was in it. And she actually picked him out as the man who had bumped into her as the second man. Wow.
00:45:56
Speaker
Yeah, so now we know, not only did Lonnie call in about the rabbit's foot, but Virginia Johnson picks him up, like picks him out of a lineup and he has, well, he has multiple conflicting confessions, but in one of them at least, he admits to the crime. So at this point, he's gonna go to trial and he needs a court appointed lawyer. So a woman by the name of Evelyn Oubre was appointed.
00:46:25
Speaker
And she is going to actually be yet another problem that would come to plague this case. Oh my God. So I know in trial, obviously part of the problem with an easy conviction of Cisco are like the continual shifts in his story because he loses credibility because the story changes like 40 times. And his defense attorney actually used that.
00:46:52
Speaker
to Cisco's advantage by saying that Cisco kept changing his testimony. It was like some sort of an attempt because he was exhibiting a mental disorder that meant that he could be easily manipulated and that he was just changing his story to appease whomever he was speaking to.
00:47:11
Speaker
because of like this difficult childhood that he has starting around the age of six because, you know, there's proof of long-term substance abuse. Is that like a thing though? Or is that just he doesn't want to get caught or like is trying to just please whoever is interviewing him? Right. I mean, that's a fair question. I don't think they ever proved any sort of like mental disorder. Yeah. Mental disorder. Mm-hmm.
00:47:39
Speaker
And then his defense attorney also questioned the validity of hypnosis as a means of identification because remember, you know, there's no DNA evidence. There's no fingerprints at the crime scene. Right. And all she really remembered of him was a Marlboro
00:47:57
Speaker
So I wonder if she would have been able to pick him out in a lineup if she hadn't undergone hypnosis. I don't know. But she did pick him out of the lineup. But again, it's problematic because there's no DNA to prove it. There's no fingerprints to prove it. There's no tape, like Sarayla. Yeah.
00:48:15
Speaker
Exactly. Yep, there's no surveillance tape. He's named like at least six different accomplices, right? And there's like so many lies in each one of the testimonies that it would be, it's hard for a jury to try to piece together the truth. But they did find Cisco guilty. So guilty of just the one death or guilty of all three?
00:48:40
Speaker
guilty of all three, and he was given the death penalty for the murders. Wow. But here comes the problem. Cisco's lawyer, Evelyn Oubre. She was a problematic choice from the get go. Because Oubre, who was now Cisco's attorney, had previously represented both Deputy Lucky Deloosh
00:49:09
Speaker
and his wife in separate domestic disputes. So this attorney was basically simultaneously representing the accused, Cisco, and the accuser, the deputy deluge. So do they not look into that when they're like appointing attorneys to people, like conflicts of interest?
00:49:30
Speaker
So they, she did know going in. So the the representation obviously of Duluth was in the family court and then of Cisco was in a criminal court. And Oubre did let Cisco know of the conflict.
00:49:46
Speaker
but it was later argued that Sisko wasn't fully aware of the implications of that conflict. Because I mean, she would have to cross examine Duluth as she's representing Sisko and cross examine a man who she's representing in another case. Right. And while like, I mean, I'm not obviously sticking up for Sisko, right? Right.
00:50:14
Speaker
I do feel bad for him in this case. I do feel like he wasn't fairly represented. And that like is not the basis of the American justice system. Like he deserves a good trial and a good lawyer. Right. And then, you know, so the one person who to not show a conflict, she would have to be tough on would be deputy Deloosh.
00:50:44
Speaker
Right. And she's representing him in another case. That's just weird. Exactly. And according to the case law report from the state versus Cisco, here's what it said. Quote, because there was no physical evidence linking the defendant or anyone else to the crime scene,
00:51:02
Speaker
The state's case, alleging that the defendant was either the shooter or at least a principal to the murders, rested on the defendant's multiple statements, some 19 of which were introduced at trial and which contained numerous and contradictory assertions at odds with key facts known to the task force. The majority of these statements and certainly the most damning of them were secured
00:51:32
Speaker
by Deputy Deluge alone, or at his direction, all while Oubre apparently represented both Deluge and the defendant."
00:51:45
Speaker
So like the majority of the statements that would seem to say that Cisco is admitting guilt were taken by Deluge himself. So the very person who to fully represent Cisco, Oubre would have to question like ad nauseam. So I kind of feel like, and again, like it is horrible that these three people died and I feel like
00:52:13
Speaker
what whoever did this to him, them, you know, doesn't need to go to court. But I kind of almost feel like Cisco deserves a new trial. Well, he actually got one. So like I said, understandably, I feel like in this case, I'm not saying he's innocent. I actually believe that he is guilty. Right. But
00:52:36
Speaker
I do agree with the court's decision when they ruled, quote, the trial court failed to take adequate steps to protect the defendant's sixth amendment right to conflict free counsel, necessitating the reversal of his conviction and sentence. And just like you said, like I'm not saying he's innocent, but I'm saying he needs a trial that is fair. And then if the jury says he's guilty,
00:53:04
Speaker
then we can feel good about that sentence. Exactly. And that is precisely what happened Maggie. So because of that conflict of interest, Cisco was granted his appeal and there was a reversal of his conviction in the sentencing. And I feel like Oubre should have recused herself from the beginning and then we wouldn't be in this situation. Yeah, exactly. You know, if she had just said, I can't do this. And then we wouldn't have to go through all this rigmarole again.
00:53:34
Speaker
But now the problem arose of like, how do we uphold his conviction, right? If he's truly guilty, how do we make sure? So this time around, Cisco actually pled guilty to three counts of manslaughter. And instead of being sentenced to the death penalty, he was sentenced to 90 years in prison. And I wonder if he did that knowing if he didn't
00:54:04
Speaker
that he was going to get the death penalty? I don't know. I'm guessing so. But here's what's sad, Maggie. The problems weren't over for this case. So in addition to Oubre being a problem, so were Detective Delouche and Sheriff Micklevine, it seems. Delouche's ex-wife has accused Delouche of
00:54:34
Speaker
many acts of sexual misconduct. And I'm not gonna go into the details because they're just accusations. But Maggie, I will say that if they are true, they are the kind of reprehensible act that makes me sick to my stomach to even think that it could happen. So are we saying that it kind of, well, okay, I will say
00:55:03
Speaker
without knowing what it is, like I can kind of assume what it is that if you are a law enforcement person and you do not uphold the law, so if you're doing something sexually bad that you kind of don't have the best reputation or maybe the most credibility,
00:55:27
Speaker
Right. And that's, that's where I'm getting at. So regardless of the truthfulness or the lies in those accusations, and again, they're just accusations, which is why I'm not going into that. Right. And they are made by his ex-wife, so they could just be out of anger. Exactly. They could be, but it is enough to put a mark on his reputation and therefore his judgment.
00:55:47
Speaker
And as for Sheriff Mickleveen, there are two clear issues concerning him. The first has to do with the reward. Do you remember he promised like $100,000 to a tip that would lead to a conviction? Well, that was actually claimed by both Virginia Johnson. I mean, she was the eyewitness after all.
00:56:06
Speaker
and by Lonnie Kemp because she's the one who called about Cisco. Right. Like you wouldn't even know if she had called. Right. And Cisco was convicted. So both of them were deserving and they actually ended up combining their efforts, but they were both denied the reward. I'm sorry. Why is that? Lonnie literally called in Cisco. Virginia literally identified him in a lineup.
00:56:29
Speaker
Thank you. I know. So they originally attempted to claim the reward, but then they waited to pursue it because the conviction was overturned. I remember they can only get the reward if it leads to a conviction, right? Because of the mistrial, because of Oubre. So is that why they're saying they can't get it because it was overturned?
00:56:51
Speaker
Well, then he's convicted again. And so after he was finally convicted again with the new trial, right? Then they're like, okay, now we're going to pursue this reward. But because they waited, law enforcement tried to say that they forfeited any claim to the money. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah, I know. And the second issue that has to do with the sheriff actually involves the sheriff's own son.
00:57:17
Speaker
who many believed could have been involved in the KK Corner murders. So I took a look at this book called Murder in the Bayou, Who Killed the Jeff Davis Eight by Ethan Brown. He claims that the sheriff's office, are you ready for this Maggie? Not really, but go ahead. Had received 30 to 40 tips implicating the sheriff's son in the KK Corner murders.
00:57:47
Speaker
I mean, this is very similar to, um, was it Sabrina's case where her like stepdad is a police officer in the town. And so many things that like, that's kind of why the case wasn't handled as it should. Right. And this was not the first time that the sheriff's son had been linked by accusations to a murder case.
00:58:18
Speaker
So there was another murder case that happened like a decade or so before the KK Corner murders that the sheriff's son was also rumored to be linked to. According to a former deputy who spoke with Brown for his book, but who wished to remain anonymous, she told Brown that the sheriff had actually called a meeting
00:58:43
Speaker
with all of like the sheriff's department, just to say, Hey, my son isn't involved in what happened at KK's corner and don't talk to anyone about the case. Which again, that seems a weird detail to add. My kid is involved.
00:59:02
Speaker
in a way, but then also it kind of doesn't to me in a way. Like, because if he really and truly isn't involved, but people are like talking behind closed doors that he is, I'm sure this dad was really mad and just wanted to kind of clear his son, clear the air, I guess. Right. This particular deputy who spoke with Brown for the book was convinced that the son was involved. And so were a lot of other people.
Theories and Community Concerns
00:59:29
Speaker
And here's why, and then I'll kind of give, I'll play devil's advocate. So a lot of people are convinced that the sheriff's son is involved because the son has a tie to Stacey Reeves also. And all of this though, this is a little bit problematic according to Cisco. Who's obviously not the most truthful person.
00:59:53
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So a good friend of Stacy's named Kevin Abel had been killed because of a drug related dispute. A dispute that according to Cisco also involved the sheriff's son. But Abel's death was ruled a suicide. Interesting.
01:00:18
Speaker
Stacy Reeves never believed that ruling and she was very vocal about her disbelief and one source even said that Stacy had called the Louisiana State Police to implicate the sheriff's son in Kevin's death. So Cisco.
01:00:40
Speaker
said that the sheriff's son had actually paid him money to kill Stacy because she quote, knew too much about Kevin's death. Okay. But I don't really trust Cisco though. So why should I believe what he's telling me? I know. And I mean, again, I promised to play devil's advocate and here we go. The sheriff's son did pass a polygraph test.
01:01:07
Speaker
Right? Which again, we know, who knows about their validity. And obviously the sheriff, he keeps reinforcing that, you know, these claims are only rumors and that his office has worked harder on the KK's corner case than any other case that they've ever had. And they had the FBI helping. Okay. That was what I was getting ready to add. Like the FBI, I think takes it up a notch. Like they're not going to protect the sheriff's son.
01:01:37
Speaker
Right. And the sheriff's son actually volunteered to be interviewed by the FBI. And from what I read in one source, it was the FBI who conducted the polygraph test. Okay. He said, the sheriff's son did, that on the night of the murders, he had been at a party and then he had gone home. And that was an alibi that was corroborated by his girlfriend.
01:02:00
Speaker
And additionally, district attorney Rick Bryant maintains his conviction that the sheriff's son was not involved. But despite those reasons, there are many who still believe that he was involved and basically that, you know, any vouching of his innocence is linked to his father's role. But again, I don't know if the FBI would be like, Oh, I'm going to protect this local sheriff's family.
01:02:29
Speaker
And I feel like, I mean, I don't know this town, but I'm sure it's on a gigantic town and we've kind of talked about like how much rumors can affect people, especially in small towns. And so there are people that, you know, and we don't know for sure. Obviously if he was involved or not, but there are people that I feel like would believe.
01:02:53
Speaker
And under any circumstance that someone is guilty when everything points to the fact that they're innocent just because of maybe how they view that person or, you know, things they might've heard about that person. But, you know, I feel like rumors obviously do not point to guilt. Right. And we just don't know in this case.
01:03:18
Speaker
Oh no, we don't. And another theory is the third accomplice that was previously mentioned by Cisco. So again, one of his confessions, he mentioned three others. And we talked about that there needed to be more than two people. Right. And he had mentioned three, but with those three that he named,
01:03:44
Speaker
Two of them were ruled out because they had alibis checked out, but there was one who didn't. And KPLC, which is that channel seven in Lake Charles, reported that the detectives spent lots of time interviewing individuals in California, Tennessee, and Oklahoma to get more information. And they interviewed at least 17 people in the New Orleans area.
01:04:12
Speaker
Cisco had originally stated that himself and the three others had come from New Orleans to Lake Charles to try to buy drugs cheaper.
01:04:25
Speaker
And 1 officer stated quote, we spent 3 weeks in the housing projects of New Orleans identifying these people interviewing them and obtaining information that was not available to the task force when they began their initial investigation. 1 of the things with this type of investigation is that a person may have information they feel is insignificant.
01:04:48
Speaker
However, it could be extremely significant to us and have enormous weight as to the direction we go in." So they spent a bunch of time in New Orleans interviewing people. And that third person, the one that doesn't have like the rock solid alibi, is from New Orleans. And perhaps even more specific,
01:05:11
Speaker
District Attorney Bryant to KPLC in a separate interview. He was, he said that he was convinced that he knows who else was involved, other than Cisco. And he specifically said in this interview quote, this guy was from New Orleans.
01:05:30
Speaker
He was Cisco's, one of Cisco's best friends, and he's a perfect match to the composite drawing that was shown on TV." End quote. I remember what I said at the beginning. The third man, the one who didn't have a rock salad alibi, matched the composite sketch. And this man is alive still today.
01:05:52
Speaker
But as of now, he has an alibi. It's just not considered rock solid because his alibi, kind of like the sheriff's son, is that he was with his girlfriend and his girlfriend maintains that she was with him and that he was not in Lake Charles. So it remains to be seen whether the other people involved will ever be brought to justice because
01:06:20
Speaker
Are you ready for this Maggie? Probably not. The case was closed after Cisco was convicted, even though he clearly did not do this alone. But he pled guilty to all three. So in the law's mind, justice has been served. Right. But what are your thoughts?
01:06:43
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like realistically this case is never going to be opened back up unless like something major comes through because like I said someone can like someone admitted to it and was convicted of it. So it's closed. I mean we do have someone who said there were two men there. There were also two vehicles there which kind of point to multiple people. I don't know. I know. And I guess the other thing too
01:07:13
Speaker
I feel like there has to be more than one. And even though Cisco gave like 25 different versions of what happened, never once did he claim to have been the only one there. That's true. That was the one consistency, I guess. Yeah. And we're talking about three people who were murdered. So I feel like subduing three people at once with only one person, like that doesn't seem very likely to me. Yeah.
01:07:43
Speaker
And I guess I just question, I get what you're saying about because in one of the confessions he admits to murdering all three, that it's closed in the eyes of the law, but I don't see how it can be closed when obviously there was more than one person there and only one person has been convicted.
01:08:05
Speaker
I really wish we could find the security tapes. Yeah. And there's lots of stuff that's still missing actually. So I stand with Marty LaBeouf's brother, Lane, who wants the case reopened and he wants it reopened so they can pursue other people who were involved. He said in a Facebook post, quote, I think it's time that the truth does come out. I do believe 100% with all my heart that it is a coverup. The people out there,
01:08:35
Speaker
know who they are, that know they were involved with the case, that know the truth. It's time that they come forward and they shed some light on this and they bring the people to justice that need to be brought to justice. The families have suffered long enough." And he's absolutely right.
01:08:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, just like with any case, people talk, people know things and that sheriff said something that seems like minute to the person that knows it may be something big enough to point them in another direction. And just because there's no DNA or fingerprint evidence doesn't mean that there aren't pieces that can link somebody to a crime that are still out there because the gun, the murder weapon is still out there. No, we never found that, correct?
01:09:23
Speaker
Nope. The security tape footage, that's never recovered. Nor were the checks that were taken from the drawer. And I noticed this detail in a KPLC interview with Marty's dad from 2003. He said, quote, there were items that were taken from the victims that have not been recovered, end quote.
01:09:47
Speaker
So I don't know what those items are, but it tells me that there's another thing that could link somebody to the crime. Yeah. And somebody has something. Yep. They have these items. They know what happened to them. Like, you know, maybe somebody in the past 24 years has heard somebody talk like a drunken confession, odd behavior, something.
01:10:15
Speaker
because the world lost a lot on that July 6th day. We lost a young 14 year old who had her whole life ahead of her.
01:10:26
Speaker
Two young girls lost their loving mother and the LaBeouf family lost their baby boy. The one who addressed like Santa to wave at children, a prayer filled young man just exploring his spiritual gifts. And what was left behind Maggie was a lot of pain and anger and even continued tragedy as just recently, one of Stacey Reeves girls, those twins that she had left behind,
01:10:56
Speaker
died from an accidental overdose. After this lifetime of struggling to understand why a tragedy like what happened to her mom could happen. And now her death is adding to that tragedy for that family. And justice still needs to be done. It's certainly not done yet. But if the symbol of the rabbit's foot teaches us anything, it's that good
01:11:26
Speaker
can come from evil. While nothing can bring back Marty, Stacy, and Nicole, that doesn't mean that those responsible for the crime can't all face justice.
Call to Action for Justice and Involvement
01:11:38
Speaker
Sharing their story with anyone and everyone might finally spread to the ears of someone
01:11:45
Speaker
who remember something, someone who can provide information that will ensure that something this heinous doesn't happen again, at least not by the same perpetrators responsible in this case. Let's not let this story end in the graveyard and in tragedy, but instead carry it with us as a reminder that good can triumph.
01:12:12
Speaker
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01:12:34
Speaker
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