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Speaker: Welcome back to Coffee and Cases. Sadly, Allison and I are still practicing social distancing, so this week's episode will be that solo yet again. In my fantasy world, we would have been back to normal by now, but it appears that'll be just a dream for a little while longer. So if you're new to Coffee and Cases, please know that our podcast has changed slightly as our world is adjusting to a global pandemic.
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Speaker: The Oxford dictionary defines disappear as, quote, to cease to be seen, to cease, to no longer be. It's hard to imagine someone simply disappearing or no longer being seen. One minute he or she is with us, the next they're gone, to be seen no more.
Speaker: As a true crime podcast, we often talk about people who disappear. In the case of Amy Mihalovic, she was taken from an open shopping center. In the case of Lorene Rand, she was taken from her home. You see, what these cases have in common is the fact that disappearing was easy. There were multiple ways our victims could have been kidnapped or simply walked away, out the door, the window, down the alley, behind the ice cream shop.
Speaker: How our case differs today is simple. Our victim went missing from a place with only one way in and one way out. How is it possible to go missing from a place with only one way in and one way out? It cannot be a question of simply getting lost. Even though I have literally no sense of direction and can get lost walking around my subdivision, I think I could find my way out of a place with only one exit.
Speaker: For an experienced adventurer, this type of thing should have been easy. Unlike most of us, our victim today wasn't scared of a tough adventure. In fact, he was described as fearless. He was cave diving in one of the most dangerous caves in the world.
Speaker: When our victim today read the sign warning him to turn back, he swam on. The words, stop. Prevent your death. Go no further. There's nothing in this cave worth dying for. Do not go beyond this point. Didn't stop him. Instead, they sent a thrill through him. This cave held the escape and the adventure he longed for. This is the story of Ben McDaniel.
Speaker: Welcome to Coffee and Cases where we like our coffee hot and our cases cold. My name is Allison Williams. And my name is Maggie Dameron.
Speaker: We will be telling stories each week in the hopes that someone out there with any information concerning the cases will take those tips to law enforcement. So justice and closure can be brought to these families. With each case, we encourage you to continue in the conversation on our Facebook page, Coffee and Cases podcast, because as we all know, conversation helps to keep the missing person in the public consciousness, helping keep their memories alive. So sit back, sip your coffee, and listen to what's brewing this week.
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Speaker: Okay, sleuth hounds. So just a little disclaimer before we get into the show today. I do want to let you all know that my house is literally insane today. We are in the process of moving so we're packing up things. So you are very likely to hear doors opening and closing. My dogs are going crazy today. So you might hear barking. You might hear who knows what you're gonna hear. But
Speaker: Remember we're recording from home right now, so things are just gonna be a little different, so I ask that you bear with me.
Speaker: Our show today centers around Vortex Springs. Vortex Springs is located in the Florida Panhandle, and is a popular destination in the hot summer months. You see sleuth hounds, Vortex Springs is fed by the cool water of an underground river, and as a result, stays a nice 68 degrees Fahrenheit. Since the spring is constantly moving, the water stays clear and cool, and as a result, it's a popular spot for scuba divers.
Speaker: This sounds very familiar to an underground sinkhole or cenote. My family went snorkeling in in Mexico a few summers ago. The water was so cool and clear and after walking through the city of Tulum, where the sun was beating down on us and there was no wind, it was exactly what we needed to cool off. So I can see why something like Vortex Springs would attract so many visitors yearly.
Speaker: Vortex Springs offers more than 1 ,600 feet that's been measured so far of underground cave diving exploration. In fact, Vortex Springs conceals one of the largest known underground caves in the United States. However, the underground cave can be dangerous. The tunnels get extremely narrow and for the inexperienced diver can result in death. In fact, in the early 90s, several divers died exploring the cave.
Speaker: Since moving to Florida in 2010, Ben McDaniel found himself drawn to Vortex Springs. You see, Sleuthhounds, Ben loved adventure. He loved to climb cliffs and to scuba dive, all the things that I would be way too scared to do. But according to the article, what happened to Ben McDaniel unanswered questions, Ben became an open water diver at the age of 14.
Speaker: Ben McDaniel was remembered by his friends and family as a fearless individual who was passionate about his hobbies, particularly scuba diving.
Speaker: Ben found the open water of the ocean too easy, so he soon took to cave diving. Now, cave diving is not for the faint at heart or the inexperienced. Holding the certification requires about two months training and 125 logged dives with an instructor or a co -certified dive buddy.
Speaker: Welcome to my house. Although Ben had completed over 250 dives, according to his girlfriend, he was not a registered cave diver since those dives had been done solo. In fact, in my research, I found only 1 % of scuba divers are registered cave divers. This, however, didn't stop Ben from exploring vortex springs. In fact, he was a regular visitor to the spring, and it wasn't unusual to see Ben resurfacing from a cave dive.
Speaker: On August 18, 2010, Ben would enter the underwater cave system at Vortex Springs and never re -emerge. Ben entered the cave just as the sun was beginning to set. We know this because two divers were leaving the cave as Ben began his descent. As I mentioned before, Vortex Springs was dangerous. So dangerous, in fact, that there was a locked gate to keep inexperienced divers from leaving the basin. But this didn't stop Ben.
Speaker: You see, Sleuthhounds, the key to the gate was kept inside the shop and had to be signed in and out by divers. This was how the owners kept tabs on who was inside the cave and when they would come out. But, Ben had figured out a way around this small inconvenience.
Speaker: Ben was actually able to lift the gate up enough that he could dangerously swim underneath the gate, and this is what employee Eduardo Torrin saw him doing on this fatal day. Eduardo had come to known Ben over the past several weeks, and when he saw him trying to get past the barrier, he actually turned around and unlocked the gate for Ben.
Speaker: Now, this seems weird to me, but apparently, according to many of the sites I looked at, was normal for Eduardo to do. In fact, Eduardo did it so often that he would hang around the spring and wait for Ben to resurface before leaving for the night. But something was different because on this day, after getting out of the water, Eduardo actually goes home for the night, leaving Ben alone inside the cave system. I think we all look for ways to escape our reality.
Speaker: I honestly think it's a natural defense in our brain. When the world gets too hectic, I think we find ways to escape reality by jumping into something we enjoy. For me, that is jumping into a new book. When my brother died, I actually read the entire Harry Potter series in two months. I think we all look for a way to cope, a way to escape. And I honestly think scuba diving was that escape for Ben.
Speaker: Sadly, the early 2000s had not been easy for Ben or his family, and his move to Florida had been his chance to start over. According to the TV series disappeared in the episode called The Vortex, Ben had been a successful contractor in the early 2000s, but like many others, suffered the loss of his business when the economy fell. On top of that, his marriage had fallen apart,
Speaker: And then, on top of that, his younger brother, the person who went on all of his adventures with him, suddenly died from a stroke. So to say the least, Ben's world had been turned upside down.
Speaker: When Ben's parents offered him their family condo in Florida, he jumped at the chance to start over. He had a new girlfriend. He'd rescued a dog named Spooner from the shelter. Spooner was his new partner in crime and went everywhere Ben went. He took up scuba diving again, enhanced the story of Wartek Springs.
Speaker: Remember that Ben went to the underground cave system on August 18th. Well, two days after, the Holmes County Sheriff's Office is called when Eduardo notices that Ben's truck is still parked in the same spot it was the day he went into the cave.
Speaker: When police take a closer look at Ben's truck, they find his wallet with about $700 inside and some rented scuba diving equipment. Divers volunteered to look for Ben's body. In fact, according to what happened to Ben McDaniel, three teams of 16 divers accepted the call and searched for the body of Ben McDaniel for 36 consecutive days.
Speaker: The only thing they found, you ask? Two decompression tanks discovered at the cave's entrance. Okay, so if you're like me, you have absolutely no clue what decompression tanks are. So, of course, I googled it. And according to Wikipedia, it is essential that a diver decompress using these decompression tanks. Wikipedia says, quote, when a diver descends in the water, the hydrostatic pressure, and thereafter the ambient pressure, rises.
Speaker: Because breathing gas is applied at ambient pressure, some of the gas dissolves into the diver's blood and is transferred by the blood to other tissues. An art gas, such as nitrogen, continues to be taken up until the gas dissolves and the diver is in a state of equilibrium. While the breathing gas in the diver's lungs, I wish the point the diver is saturated for that depth and breathing mixture, or the depth, and therefore the pressure is changed. During a synth, the ambient pressure is reduced.
Speaker: and at some stage the inert gases dissolve in any given tissue will be at a higher concentration than the equilibrium state and start to diffuse out again. If the pressure reduction is sufficient, excess gas may release in the form of bubbles, which may lead to decompression sickness, a possible life -threatening condition. It is essential that divers manage their decompression to avoid excessive bubble formation and decompression sickness.
Speaker: So that's a lot of science, but what I can tell from that, basically they have to get their gas levels back to normal or there could be serious consequences. So many assume that Ben never left the cave since his decompression tanks were found. Though all was searched, nothing was found besides those tanks. According to several reports I read, experienced divers would have been able to tell if Ben had been in the cave because any disturbances he would have made
Speaker: while inside the cave would have taken a while to return to its previous state. Sam would have been disrupted, scuff marks would have been found on the rocks, etc, and there was nothing like that. Ben also left full air tanks that were discovered outside the entrance of the cave, which was perplexing to investigators for two reasons. The first was that the tanks were filled with like regular air, like stuff we would breathe
Speaker: like here on land, which is inconsistent with what Ben would have learned by reading up on cave diving. And his parents actually insisted that he had been doing that because cave diving often requires a special mixture of gas depending on certain factors such as the depth you're going. Secondly, cave divers place extra air tanks along their way inside the cave so that they are within reach if the divers should need them when they're in the cave. So this is odd.
Speaker: to me. If you all listen to The Boy in the Chimney, you know that I'm literally petrified of drowning. Snorkeling in Mexico definitely pushed me out of my comfort zone, but I did it. But there's literally no way on god's green earth that I would scuba dive into a cave and have to rely on emergency oxygen tanks. But I do envy people who are brave enough to take those chances of adventure.
Speaker: Now, according to the show I quoted earlier, Ben had been setting up on how to properly cave dive. Remember Sleuth Hounds, he had 250 dives under his belt, according to his girlfriend. Apparently, Ben had also been mapping vortex springs on his previous trips of exploration, and those entries were also found by police.
Speaker: Cadaver dogs picked up a scent along the bank of the spring as well as one in the water, but when the county health department sampled the water, they found no indication of a spike in bacteria consistent with decomposition. Apparently, fish and eels would be attracted to the smell of decaying flesh and would gravitate towards that area of the cave, but when divers went to the furthest reaches, there were no fish present like there would have been if someone were decaying in the water.
Speaker: As I mentioned before, dozens of divers explored the underwater cave in the hopes of finding Ben, and all of them turned up empty -handed. Finally, on August 22nd, Ed Swarson, often referred to as the best diver in the world, arrived at Vortex Springs. Now, according to Ed, 99 % of diving rescue missions turn into recovery missions, meaning that the likelihood a lost diver will surface alive is around 1%.
Speaker: At the time when Ed arrived at Vortex Springs, he had a pretty extensive resume. According to Wikipedia, Ed began diving in 1995 and within a few years expanded to cave diving. In 1999, he joined the International Underwater Cave Rescue and Recovery as one of their original members and later founded Cave Adventures in Florida in 2003.
Speaker: He had extensive knowledge of the cave system inside Vortex Springs. Ed later became a hero in 2012 after four rescues that year.
Speaker: For his efforts, he was awarded the Divers Alert Network Hero Award, heroic merit awards, and instructor trainer of the year from the Professional Scuba Association International. He also aided in the rescue of the soccer player stuck in the cave system in Thailand not long ago. Despite the fact that several divers mourned Ed against heading into the unknown parts of the cave.
Speaker: He decided to take on the challenge anyways and search for Ben. That loud noise that you heard was my cat falling off the bed. According to the article, diver vanishes without a trace in an underwater cave, but it may not have been an accident by Tom Carlson. The diving expert made three separate dives, going further into the caves than anyone had gone before. He found no body,
Speaker: nor any evidence that anyone had ventured further in the cave than he had. There was no way he declared that Ben was still in that cave. In fact, he said the sand was quote pristine when he got far back into the cave, further solidifying that Ben had not been that far into the cave. All the while, Ben's parents were holding on to the hope that his body would be recovered. I can only imagine their heartache when the diver
Speaker: resurfaced empty -handed and then yet again another diver would resurface empty -handed. Even with experts like Ed telling the family that Ben was not inside the cave, the family refused to face the facts that something else might have happened to Ben. They began offering rewards to divers who were willing to go into Vortex Springs and look for Ben.
Speaker: The family hired the man who first met the caves to look for Ben and to record his findings. He too found nothing. In the Tom Carlson article, he says that they offered $10 ,000 to anyone who could find him inside the caves. When nothing turned up, they upped the reward. They offered $20 ,000 for someone to find Ben in the cave.
Speaker: still nothing, then $30 ,000 and that is when tragedy struck Vortex Springs once again. In one search for Ben, a diver named Larry accidentally died inside the caves.
Speaker: Guilty, Ben's family pulled away the reward offering and lashed instead to a new theory, one far more sinister than Ben being lost inside the cave system. Ben's family actually begins to believe that he was murdered at Vortex Springs. According to the article, The Missing Diver, Ben McDaniel, an article by Emily Thompson, the McDaniel family hired Leon Marie Carty, a private investigator.
Speaker: While investigating, she found some unsavory characters associated with Vortex Springs. The former owner, Lowell Kelly, was charged with driving an employee into the woods and accusing him of stealing money and then literally beating him with a baseball bat. The ex -employee managed to escape into the woods, but was left so shaken and so upset that he moved his family out of town and swore he would never return.
Speaker: On the evening, Ben disappeared and inebriated Kelly showed up at the spring and asked if it was too late to go diving. Too coincidentally, Kelly died under suspicious circumstances. Two years after, Ben disappeared. He was found unresponsive at his home after suffering blunt force trauma to the head.
Speaker: Nevertheless, police refused to treat it as a homicide, much to the dismay of Lynn Marie Cardie. Police do question Eduardo because there is suspicion that he was paid off to let Ben inside the cave and leave without waiting for him as he had done every other time. But he passes the lie detector test easily. And that ends the line of suspicion. However, his test was odd.
Speaker: He was only asked three questions while a normal test lasts hours and the suspect faces repeated questions. Ben's father believes that the true story of what happened to Ben died with Kelly. Another theory is that Ben may actually have died in the cave but the owner did not want bad press for his business so he actually disposed of the body on his own.
Speaker: Yet another theory that has gained some ground is that Ben faked his own death. Remember Sleuthounds, Ben had lost a successful business and as a result he actually owed the IRS $50 ,000. Many think that he did enter the cave.
Speaker: but waited just at the edge of the gates long enough to let Eduardo and his friend leave the spring. This type of submergence wouldn't have been considered deep water and didn't require decompression or anything like that. Many speculate that Ben filled the tanks with normal air to have them there knowing that he wouldn't need them. This could also explain why there was no oxygen tanks along his way back. Many speculate that when the coast was clear he left the basin and is hiding somewhere in Mexico.
Speaker: As you can all gather, Ben's story has gained worldwide attention. In fact, a renowned cave diver named Jill, and she's actually a film producer, contacted Ben's family wanting to produce a documentary about the mystery. Jill and her husband, Robert, have produced four documentaries, one of which was called The Water's Journey and it aired on PBS.
Speaker: Jill's initial motive for visiting Vortex Springs was to take footage of the cave dive to present to Ben's parents in an effort to demonstrate the dangers of cave diving and help them to get closure. But after reading Ben's log books, Jill discovered that he was mapping the cave and had made at least one dive to its furthest reaches. Since then, she changed her mind about their approach, concluding that there wasn't sufficient evidence that he wasn't in that part of the cave.
Speaker: leading her to the decision to make the documentary focused on his disappearance and to call it Ben's Vortex. And sadly, Sleethounds, this is where the story ends. We know nothing else. Nothing about Ben's whereabouts. Nothing about Ben's body. Nothing at all. When all avenues have been extinguished. When all routes explored. What happens next?
Speaker: Does the family give up hope or continue searching for answers and closure? With our victim today, I know his family keeps hunting for answers as they search for peace. Ben loved adventure. Ben was fearless. Ben had his entire life in front of him.
Speaker: His family has started a support group. They help other grieving families. They lean on each other for support, but they still long to know what happened to their son. Maybe you hold the missing piece of this puzzle. Maybe you can help turn this case around. If you have any information about Ben McDaniel, please check out the Facebook page, Ben McDaniel, missing but not forgotten, or contact the Holmes County Sheriff's Office.
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