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German captains, added sailors, and electronic fog--oh my! The case Maggie and Allison bring you this week explores the mystery-- from the realistic to the bizarre-- surrounding a still missing ship, the USS Cyclops. Has the Devil's Triangle claimed another victim?

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Bermuda Triangle Mysteries: Amelia Earhart and USS Cyclops

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We have all heard it before. The disappearances, the missing people, the airplanes gone silent, the ships never returning home, the Bermuda Triangle. But what is it about this mysterious place that keeps us up at night thinking? What lies in those ocean waters that we attribute to the adventurers never coming home? We've all heard the stories of Amelia Earhart, who because we have no idea what actually happened to her, credit the Bermuda Triangle to her disappearance.
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We try to think and we try to reason. There's no way. There has to be some reasonable explanation. A small airplane and one lone flyer gone missing. Perhaps she ran out of fuel. Maybe she was captured when she crash landed somewhere. But the Navy's largest ship and over 300 men.
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How could a ship over 500 feet long simply disappear? Okay, so it was wartime. Perhaps it met its fate when an enemy ship sunk it. But why has the Navy never been able to locate it or any of its missing sailors? Maybe it was pushed off course and crashed somewhere on some remote island. Again, it's 2020 and searches are still being conducted to locate this vessel.
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So why have we not found a single tangible clue? Perhaps their fate lies in something more supernatural, more mysterious. Perhaps their fate lies in the Bermuda Triangle.

Podcast Introduction and Audience Engagement

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This is the story of the USS Cyclops.
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So.
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Welcome to Coffee and Cases where we like our coffee hot and our cases cold. My name is Allison Williams. And my name is Maggie Dameron. We will be telling stories each week in the hopes that someone out there with any information concerning these cases will take those tips to law enforcement so justice and closure can be brought to these families.
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With each case, we encourage you to continue in the conversation on our Facebook page, Coffee and Cases, because as these families know, conversations help to keep their missing family members in the public consciousness, helping to keep their memories alive. So sit back, sip your coffee, and listen to what's brewing this week. Make sure you stay tuned till the end of this episode to hear the winner of the t-shirt contest.
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Okay, so as you can tell, we're spotting it up a little bit this week. Not only will I be narrating our episode this week, but we also have our very first guest appearance. Welcome! We have our little sleuth hound here. Hello.
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are you excited yeah yeah she's been waiting to join us for one of these episodes since the beginning so we thought today would be extra special we would just change it up everywhere that's right let her have some some fun and put some comments in yes
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So today's episode came to us as a listener's suggestion, so lots of firsts today.

Imaginative Theories: Atlantis, UFOs, and More

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And when I started looking into this one, I told Allison that I really wanted to be the one that did this story. Things like the Bermuda Triangle have always fascinated me. It's been a place where my imagination can run wild. I picture the lost city of Atlantis, UFOs, and all kinds of just different supernatural things.
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Me too, like I love ghosts, I love supernatural, I love everything just out of the ordinary. Well then this is gonna be a perfect episode for you. Perfect little sleuth ale. Because this story has a lot of supernatural and odd elements.
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So I think for our listeners it's going to be important that we talk about where the Bermuda Triangle is because we do have listeners from kind of all over the world. So Allison and the little sleuth hound, I didn't know
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how familiar other cultures were with the Bermuda Triangle. Right. And you're right, we've got listeners from all over the world. So I do think that that's important. Thank you, by the way.

Bermuda Triangle's Geography and Shipping Lanes

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For those of you that don't know, the Bermuda Triangle lies in a section of the North Atlantic Ocean. And according to an article that was published by The Sun, and The Sun likes to have really long article names, where is the Bermuda Triangle? What is it? Why do planes go missing there? And what are the conspiracy theories?
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It covers an area of over 440,000 miles of sea. 440,000 miles? So yes, growing up I thought it was just like in the Caribbean and like tiny, but it actually stretches up into like the actual Atlantic Ocean. So I've heard of conspiracy theory that there's like a huge magnet and it like sucks the planes and boats into like the magnet.
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We will talk some conspiracy theories, some that are similar to that that I have heard before, and then some that I was like, okay, that's weird. So it's actually one of the most heavily traveled shipping lanes in the world, because again, I guess I thought that it was like completely avoided, but it actually isn't. It has ships crossing through it all the time to get to different ports in America, Europe, and the Caribbean. But it does not sink.
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That was my thinking too. I thought, I guess maybe I just thought every ship was like the Bermuda Triangle knew. But I guess that doesn't happen. I'm learning all kinds of stuff today. So basically any cruise ship that you go on is going to pass through the Bermuda Triangle at some point or another. Especially if it's like
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like northern Caribbean, those types of cruises. Because it just covers so many miles of sea, it would be difficult to avoid.
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So as you can guess from today's intro and from our conversation, we do have a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding the Bermuda Triangle or more fondly referred to as the Devil's Triangle. Very promising. So again, according to the Sun and that article that was mentioned before, over 1000 people, which is a lot, are believed to have lost their lives in the Bermuda Triangle within the last 100 years. What?
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Wow. So again, things I didn't know. Pretty common though. Like 10 people a year. Yeah. I know it's a large piece of ocean but that still seems like a really high number. Enough that you would think that there's there has to be a theory. Right.
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and there are theories, and a lot of them.

Conspiracy Theories and Phenomena

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So people have speculated anything from aliens to a crystal ocean pyramid under the water, gas explosions, all of these theories have been put forth to kind of explain the disappearances that have taken place there.
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So we don't really have time to mention them all because, believe me, it's like a wormhole of conspiracy theories surrounding the Bermuda Triangle. There are so many. But I do want to take a minute just to mention some of my favorites before we get down to the details of today's show.
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If you listen to episodes two and three, you'll remember us talking about things like spontaneous levitation and ball lightning. That sounds like witchcraft. Well, a lot of episodes two and three were very strange and part of this episode will be as well. So today I'm bringing you electronic fog. So just adding that to our list of irrational fears that we talked about with the dialogue past episodes.
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Yes, I have now added electronic fog to my list of ears next to the black hole and spontaneous limitation. Right, that you're gonna get sucked up into. What even is electronic fog?
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Okay, so good question. According to the Sun, it is the most notable theory of the Bermuda Triangle, even though I think it sounds cuckoo. Electronic fog is actually a weather phenomenon, which sticks to an aircraft or a ship. It said that the fog causes the equipment on aircraft or ships to malfunction, so like your compass would just keep spinning, like your GPS might not work, that type of stuff. That's crazy.
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Yeah. So for all of us directionally impaired people, we can just go ahead and add that to the list of things that scare us because I can't even find my way around like the closest large city to us without my phone. Oh, Rodney makes fun of me all the time. He's always like, you literally have to type into map like into your phone, into Google maps, like five times in a row to go to the same place. And I'm like,
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It gets crazy when I don't know my way home from like here. From school to home? Which roads to take? Well I think especially if you're a passenger you don't pay as much attention but like I get lost just on roads and anything will always be like will you just turn west? Okay Christopher Columbus. Where should I come to McDonald's? Yeah, how do you know which way west is?
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Yeah, except when my car tells me which direction. But so with this electronic fog, is it basically like these particles? You said they attach themselves to ship. So it sounds like it's kind of like a magnet. Right, and it throws everything. It's like a disease or something. Yeah, it was very strange. So that was one of the really weird conspiracy theories.
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Another possible quote reason that the Bermuda Triangle is susceptible to failed aircraft or shipwrecks are these things called hexagonal clouds. Never heard of that either. So this is actually the newest explanation and these are clouds that cause these terrifying 170 mile per hour
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wind air bombs? Air bombs. Add that to my list of irrational fears as well. So I was actually curious and I did look this up and because it seems fake to me, but it's not. It's real. It's a real thing. These winds are powerful enough to generate waves of more than 45 feet high because these air bombs crash down to the ocean and then create waves.
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That does not sound real. That is crazy. Well, I mean, I really did think so. And then when I googled it, it had it on NASA. So I was like, okay, real. Incredible source. So the more research that I did, they have actually debunked this theory as something that occurs within the Bermuda Triangle.
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But it is real. So it is a real occurrence. It just might not be what causes the shipwrecks and the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, they said that the ocean water wasn't like what it needed to be in the environment. Which is probably like salt temperature, even like maybe how salty it is. Yeah.
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So from all the research that I did, most scientists seem to agree that these waters, just in general, seem to be particularly rougher than surrounding waters. They're also filled with reefs. So perhaps that's the more quote unquote scientific explanation. But we always say boo. Boo to scientific explanations. Those aren't as entertaining.
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I would be more interested in, like, if they said, oh, well, poltergeist knocked the ship over the waters. Instead they're like, oh, the waves are rougher than normal waves, so it just sunk the ship.
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So she would have been with me with the Eddie as possible explanation for the dialogue episodes. But what we don't have an explanation for is the story that we're bringing you today.

The USS Cyclops: Disappearance and Theories

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The story of the USS Cyclops. That's a really cool thing. I thought so too and again I think it's because I like love Percy Jackson and like Greek mythology so I immediately went there in my mind.
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So the USS Cyclops, according to Greg Norman's article, more than 100 years later, the great mystery of the vanished USS Cyclops remains unsolved. It was built in 1910 in Philadelphia. The world had never seen anything like the USS Cyclops. She was massive, spanning over 500 feet long. She was the Navy's largest ship at that time. She?
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Yeah, so that is a good question. So she, I don't know why, but we refer to like boats or cars as she. What? Female. Yeah, the femininity pronoun. Have you ever seen those ships that have like the woman, she kind of looks like a mermaid, she's on the front of the boat, so you can kind of see it there. Yeah, but what, like, things are classified as male.
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I don't know. Good question, little sleuthound. This is why you're here to question. So after the US declared war on Germany in 1917, the Cyclops was in the process of changing from a coal driven ship to one powered by oil because its use of coal was considered a major weakness.
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that's interesting to me because well here in Kentucky anyway you know you can even get license plates that say friends of coal and so you know here it's kind of something that we celebrate so that's interesting that I mean it is I guess a
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a dirtier yeah it's a dirtier form and i'm wondering if it had like i don't know but i'm wondering if maybe the weight maybe coal weighs more than oil and maybe it made it like made her lighter so maybe she could travel faster not really sure
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It was during World War I that our ship meets her disastrous fate. The Cyclops was set to deliver 10,800 tons of manganese when she... Okay, so I had to look it up. And it is essential for your body. Your body needs it to just function. You can actually have a deficiency of this in your body.
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How come I never knew this before? I don't know. I didn't know that it was that important. Well, okay, I didn't know it existed. And then I was surprised that it was so important. But it doesn't come in like a form of its own. It's usually with some other type of element. So I'm assuming they had like ores that contain this. And that was in February of 1918.
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Well, that 10,800 tons of manganese did arrive in the harbor in Rio on February 15th of 1918. And we know that from a report that I read by Captain Lawrence Brennan of the U.S. Navy. He goes on in that report to say that on February 22nd, she departed for Baltimore. But...
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she never made it. For some reason when she left Rio they added an additional 73 sailors on board with literally zero explanation of why they were added. So it's like they were prepared for something bad that was going to happen and they were like let's add some more sailors. Yeah so was it a coincidence? Was it purposeful? I think not.
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We don't know. The American Consulate General of Rio boarded the ship claiming that he wanted to enlist in the U.S. Army.
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American Consulate General in Rio says, hold up, I need to get on the ship because I want to be a part of the U.S. Army. With 73 random soldiers or sailors. Interesting, okay. Now, Allison, in our little sleuth hound, what is odd is that the U.S. Cyclops didn't follow her intended route. What? A route that would have taken her directly to Maryland with no stops.
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Instead, the USS Cyclops makes port in Barbados on March 3rd, a mere 1,800 nautical miles from her destination. You'd think that if they went off track that they would have tried to find like a shorter route, but this one seems like it would be a longer route. Or they would let someone know
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So how do you compare nautical miles to land miles? So I googled it. That's how you know. And for us land dwellers, 1,800 nautical miles is a little more than 2,000 land miles. So in the grand scheme of the ocean, they weren't really that far away from where they were trying to go.
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So why would the world's finest ship make an unscheduled port? Why would almost 80 more people get on board without any explanation? Maybe she was suffering from mechanical problems. Many specialists have said that even though the cyclops was called a living coal mine because she could hold so much coal and she actually had two big scoops on her that could scoop huge amounts of coal, she wasn't fit to carry the more dense
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manganese. Okay so it's too heavy and maybe they just realized it so it's kind of like if you're moving and you've got all your furniture and they're like hey if we have to go through one of those weight stations and it's too much weight we're just gonna throw some of your furniture off the truck. It's kind of um as you said earlier they changed it from coal to gas so maybe that's why because it was too heavy to carry the manganese. Wait did they change it to oil before?
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They changed it to oil as soon as we entered the war in like 1917. She was in the process of changing from coal to oil. Okay, so it could have still had coal on it. Yes, but they're thinking that maybe just the weight was too much for her. Maybe it was a combination of these things or perhaps it could be something more sinister.
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So we know that after leaving Barbados, the USS Cyclops was never seen from or heard from again. There's no wreckage, no survivors, and no distress call. I think that's weird because you'd think that a ship so glorious, a ship so big, they would want to try to save it or any passengers on it, or even
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the material that they were trying to get there. Right, because they had something important on board. It was a really large ship, so you think it would be able to easily be found. So obviously there are many theories, both plausible and not, that surround the disappearance of the Cyclops. One popular theory circles around the Cyclops' captain, Captain Whirling.
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There are several reports that say the captain was not all he appeared to be. Oh, now that sounds interesting. Spooky spooky. This is a theory I can get behind. Yes. So remember Allison and our little sleuth hound. We are just entering World War I when the Cyclops meets her end.
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okay this is the first world war that we have against germany in a time in history where everyone literally thought everyone was a german spy or a communist oh yeah trust no one yeah even your own family that is true so according to an article and i'm going to go ahead and apologize in advance for this last name pronunciation because it's a doozy so according to raj bhattacharya
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In his article, the USS Cyclops and Amazing Disappearance, Captain Worley was actually hated, and I mean hated, by his fellow staff and officers. Like, to what extent? Like, what do you think? I think there was a very big amount of animosity. I think it was like one of those things where it's obvious that you aren't liked, and they just kind of followed orders because they had to.
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Right, because he's, I mean, he's captain, so what are you gonna do? Right, it's what he says goes. So they just were not a fan of him, and many actually accused him of being pro-German, which, like I said, was a big no-no if you're on a US Navy ship. Right.
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So the crew didn't just dream up this hatred or this idea of Worley being pro-German. He actually was born in Germany and oddly enough was born under another name, which he later changed. Sketchy. That is sketchy. And we don't know why. There's no record as to why this name change took place.
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So it could have been completely innocent, because I know a lot of people when they migrate to the United States, they will change their name, Americanize it, or something like that. But it could just as easily be some sinister past that he's trying to cover up. So that's my thinking too. Is it just when he immigrated here, he changed his name so it sounded more American?
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Is it something deeper than that? Perhaps he had to change his name to hide something from someone. Another weird coincidence, remember the U.S. Consulate General of Rio? The one who just strangely boarded the ship with 73 other men to, quote, join the army. Right, let's go. Totally normal.
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Well, he was also a very popular figure in the Brazilian German community. I'm not liking where this is going. So we have a captain who is pro-German and a random add-on who is very popular in the German community. So could that be why he joined?
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So my speculation on this theory is maybe Captain Worley and the US Consulate General were following orders from someone else. I think that's a likely theory. I think when the Cyclops stopped in Barbados and more coal and supplies were loaded onto her, it was purposeful because far more was loaded onto her than what was needed to reach her final destination.
00:23:36
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Oh, so was their plan actually to go someplace else? And because of whatever happened to her, she just never made it. Yeah. So I do think that's one of the theories. Maybe their plan was to get her to Germany, which I kind of touch on in a little bit. Or maybe their plan was to make her as heavy as possible and just
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let her go. So was it sabotaged from the beginning? They knew she was going to sink and that was the plan. So like some sort of death mission, right? Like they get on it knowing that they're going to die for quote unquote the cause, whatever that is. It's kind of like when like on 7-11 or 9-11.
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Let's just start again. When on 9-11, when they bombed the planes, even though they knew that they were gonna be on it and they were killing themselves, so it's kind of like that because they're- Extreme nationalism. Yes. That blind nationalism. Yes. So did Captain Worley and the Consulate General work together to sink her? Or, like we said, did they take her back to Germany? Hence, there's no distress call.
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Maybe they were taking her back to Germany. So why would they do a distress call and if they purposefully sank her again? Why would you do a distress call? So I'm sitting here thinking in my head that she went down in the Bermuda Triangle But you're right. She could have made it to her destination No distress call because the captain knew the plan the whole time but the crew is just
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Bye-bye. Yeah, and remember he did add 73 more sailors on board. Now I could not find if those were American sailors that were added or if those were from another nation. So perhaps these people were added to like take care of the crew. So maybe the crew was kind of held hostage so they couldn't. So something was sinister than just more added to the trip. Yeah.
00:25:50
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So maybe just something a little more creepy than what we would like to think happened. So maybe Captain Whirly never intended for the Cyclops to make port in Baltimore. So maybe, just maybe, his intent was for the Cyclops to be lost forever. So Allison and our little sleuth found another popular explanation of the Cyclops tragic end lies in her weakening frame. Now I know that we aren't much for like
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scientific or probable explanations. Boo. Not as interesting. Boo to science. I mean I want to be a scientist when I grow older, but boo to all the boring science explanations. The only thing is if it's something like electric fog or ball lightning. Right, no scientific. But I do want to mention this one because it at, as I said, it is realistic and worth mentioning.
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So one sailor got off board in Rio and he wrote that the ship would often sway when large waves struck the ship. And before leaving Rio, Captain Worley actually reported that the Cyclops starboard engine was an operative due to a cracked cylinder. I don't know which side starboard is.
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So anyways, one of her engines were not functioning. It was cracked and she was down to one engine which in turn decreased the speed that she could travel. So we already know that she was loaded down because remember they added more supplies to her when they made this unexpected port. So she was loaded down with coal, manganese, and other supplies as well as more people.
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So maybe her weight mixed with the ocean waters and a poorly functioning engine was just too much for her to handle. I mean that sounds reasonable. Yeah. That boobs are reasonable anyways. So it is possible that her hole could just split under the pressure due to structural failures.
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We know from earlier in this episode that the water she would have been passing through, the waters of the Bermuda Triangle are rougher waters. So there is a real possibility that she met a storm she couldn't beat and she sunk due to her heavy load. Right. I mean, again, with the crack in, the cylinder, all that extra weight, I mean, it does make sense. But again, you also mentioned
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No wreckage is found. So, I mean, I know the ocean is deep, obviously. But I feel like if we could find the Titanic, how could we not find this ship? A ship that is huge, in fact. One theory that I didn't really go a lot into says that maybe she sunk to like the bottom of a really deep trench.
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And it's, I forgot how many miles long, but it's like, I guess as of now, we don't maybe have the technology to locate her if she was at the bottom of that trench just because how deep it is. So since she was weakening, it isn't unfathomable to think that her sinking happened quickly, so quick that Worley couldn't place at a stress call.
00:29:09
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I mean, I get sinking quickly because she's so heavy, but I feel like you'd have a chance to send a distress call. I just think he's a little sketchy. Yeah. I don't know if he can be trusted.
00:29:24
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So, another theory, and the last one that I'm going to mention today, is that of the giant octopus. What? Yes, you heard me right. A giant octopus. There are some who believe, according to Greg Norman's article, more than 100 years later, the great mystery of the vanished USS Cyclops remains unsolved. These people like really long, horrible titles. That's a really long, horrible title.
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The Cyclops met her fate when a giant octopus entangled her in its tentacles and drug her to the bottom of the sea.
00:29:57
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Okay, so this is like some mythological creature action. So this is much more akin to what I think of when I think of the Bermuda Triangle. Yes. Right, some giant unknown sea creature grasping onto you and dragging you to David Jones' water. So Allison and our little sleuthound, do you remember how long I said the USS Cyclops was? I remember it was long, but how long? So she was well over 500 feet long.
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which is very long. Yes, that's five football fields. Yeah, which is kind of hard for me to wait. Is that yards? That's yards. We teach words. Wait, I was like, wait a minute. So it would take an incredibly large octopus to be able to pull the cyclops to the ocean's floor, even without her already being weak.
00:30:53
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I don't know if such a thing exists. Some people who claim this theory say that the USS Cyclops was passing through the Bermuda Triangle and she just so happened to pass through the territory of a giant octopus. Some say a giant squid because I guess that's more believable.
00:31:14
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I don't know why. And they were captured suddenly in its trap explaining the lack of an SOS call and the lack of debris being found. I mean I would be freaking out if like giant squid arms like came up out of the water. I just keep picturing like release the Kraken! Like in the Pirates of the Caribbean movie.
00:31:36
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Some scientists say the likelihood of this happening is nearly impossible because I didn't know this, but apparently there are creatures like this reaching around 200 feet that only live in the Pacific Ocean.
00:31:49
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Well, so giant squid, just this is in the wrong part of the ocean. Right. Like this is in the wrong ocean for this to happen. I'm just gonna add that to my list of irrational fields as well. So just don't go to the beach on the west coast. Don't go anywhere. The squid might come after you. They say that the waters in the Bermuda Triangle would not be susceptible to this kind of animal. How you know that beyond me. Right.
00:32:18
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Yet there are still some who say, and this makes sense, we don't know every animal that lives in the ocean. I mean, that's true. Yeah. Nor do we know a lot about the Bermuda Triangle. True again. Until I started researching this, I didn't even know ships pass through the Bermuda Triangle. So, I mean, learning stuff every day. Or that it was as big as you said it was. Right. No idea. So why would it be hard for us to believe that a creature like this does exist?
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So I guess that's just it. We don't know. We don't know why no SOS call went out. We don't know why no debris has been found over 100 years later. As a number of ships lost at sea shrinks, we keep expecting the Cyclops to turn up. But she never has. As technology advances, it seems finding a ship over 500 feet long would be an easy thing to do.
00:33:09
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Yet, she still lost. Was she sunk by a German U-boat? Was she capsized due to her heavy load? Is her disappearance something that can be explained by a simple scientific explanation? Or does her disappearance line something more fanciful?
00:33:25
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We often think of the Bermuda Triangle as something mysterious, dangerous even. It's a place where our wildest dreams can come true. We think of the lost city of Atlantis, mermaids, and underwater crystal pyramids. When we think of the Bermuda Triangle, our imagination runs wild. What we don't think about is the frightening aspect of the Bermuda Triangle, the disappearances, the deaths,
00:33:48
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It didn't get the nickname Devil's Triangle for no reason. We tend, or at least I do, to think of this place where fantasies can come true. But for the sailors aboard the USS Cyclops, perhaps it isn't. Perhaps it's the place where nightmares come true.

Listener Interaction and Giveaway Winner Announcement

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