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Fans react to DISASTROUS Seattle Sounders loss to Portland Timbers!
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We react and take calls following Seattle's Cascadia derby against the Portland Timbers at Lumen Field as the Major League Soccer season resumes.
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00:02:29
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Well sir, we got a scorcher today. Gonna be real scorcher today. Quite the scorcher today. Well it's gonna be scorcher.
Seattle Sounders' Poor Performance
00:02:50
Speaker
There is no passion, there is no vision, there is no aggression, there is no fucking mindset in this football club. Nothing is there. What the hell is there in this football?
00:03:04
Speaker
Good evening, everybody, and welcome to your first post-match live following the Major League Soccer restart. MLS is back. The Seattle Sounders are back, and they just got absolutely smoked.
00:03:19
Speaker
five to one by the Portland Timbs at home at Lumen field in front of 35,000.
00:03:29
Speaker
Was that the worst L in Seattle Sounders history? Was that the worst performance in Seattle Sounders history? We're going to talk about that and a lot more. We'll be taking your calls later. And I'm sure that is going to be very calm and normal discourse.
00:03:43
Speaker
Uh, Noah, what what's up, man? I don't even know how to intro this. ah are you How are you feeling right now? how are you feeling right now I'm not feeling good.
00:03:56
Speaker
um i walked into this match already having just an incredibly shitty week. Just like one of the top five worst weeks of my entire life. I thought, you know what? I'm going to let the Seattle Sounders take it from here. You know, Don Garber, he said...
00:04:13
Speaker
We'll take it from here. MLS, we'll take it from here. And you know you know what they did? They took it from here. They took my money. They took it out of my pocket, threw it in my face, spit in my mouth, slapped me in the face and said, oh, you like that?
00:04:31
Speaker
You like that? Why don't you watch the worst game of fucking soccer you've ever seen in your entire life against the team that you absolutely hate? Let's perpetuate every stereotype possible. Let's have Albert go snack. Let's have 75 year old Jordan Morris pretending like he can't play anymore. Oh, and don't worry. Maybe he's injured.
00:04:49
Speaker
Maybe he's injured? No, don't worry. Oh, and then, you know, the Timbers score five on you. Three of those in, what, 16 minutes, 17 minutes? Three and seven minutes. Let's get it right. minutes yeah My bad. Adding 10 minutes to that. Don't sell them short.
00:05:03
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okay no No sign of summer signings, folks. Who
Fan Reactions and Perspectives
00:05:07
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knows? ah God only knows who they're signing, but don't worry. They're loading up the Tacoma Defiance so that they can make a run.
00:05:14
Speaker
I am at a point in my fandom where there's certain games that... that Change you that change you I am NOT a crash out most of the time I'm a crash out some of the time this game this game has made me a full radical.
00:05:32
Speaker
This game has absolutely made me a full radical. We're converted to brigade. Like I'm like genuinely converted to brigade. And that's not even a joke. i' Like I'm on brigade now. brigade ah I mean, we got so much to talk about and i don't even know where to begin with this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind is just, uh,
00:05:57
Speaker
how kind of How kind of shocking a like a result that bad is considering you've had six weeks off for the World Cup and they intentionally put these rivalry games like right after the World Cup craze is winding down to try and build excitement, to try and build hype around MLS coming back. You know, we'll take it from here.
00:06:21
Speaker
um Don't worry, guys. We'll take it from here. You know, to take an L in that situation is one thing. To get 5-1'd by your arch nemesis, your arch rival, on your home field is quite another. And I think kind of what, you know, we're, I think, speaking semi-ingest, saying that we're converted to brigade. But, like, the thing about an L like this is It's about more than the singular L in in the standings. I think sometimes you feel those kind of fork in the road type moments ah where kind of just everything changes. And I think time will tell if this is one of those moments where we kind of see everything get flipped on its head. But going into this match...
00:07:08
Speaker
I felt one way and coming out of this match, I felt another. And, you know, you're, we're going to, I'm sure we're going to have callers and brigadiers talking about how they predicted this. This was different than anything. Anyone's been complaining about. This was a game where they were, know,
00:07:24
Speaker
Not competing. No. they and They didn't even show up to play their biggest rival. Yeah, exactly. Who doesn't have a fucking coach? They don't have a fucking coach, Ari. They don't have a fucking coach. They have a guy named Jack Cassidy, you know. They have a dude who looks like the fucking chiseled, like fucking mean guy. Honestly, they should hire Jack Cassidy after after that. But what i' what what I'm saying is like...
00:07:50
Speaker
that this To me, this is different than like anything that anyone has been complaining about or talking about or kind of anything that we've been talking about with with this team. Something that I have appreciated about this team over the years is that stuff like that doesn't happen to them that often. Even in the worst of times,
Criticism of Team Performance
00:08:09
Speaker
yeah you can usually count on this team and these players to to compete.
00:08:14
Speaker
to go out there and and throw down look like they're gonna they're gonna play and die for the badge even in games where where the result doesn't go their way you can at least point to a baseline of competitiveness that was not there in this game and you know we talk a lot too about how there are there are outlier results over the course of a long and MLS season for every team But not not like that and not for this team. Even against that team who we've talked about a lot has had Seattle's number over the last few years. yeah it It does not go that far off the rails as a matter of normal course. So that leads to to me like a different feeling coming out of it and a different type of discussion that we need to have than we usually have after poor results where it might not go their way. But like
00:09:04
Speaker
for them to be that non-competitive in that situation, it was egregious. And we're going to have the Schmetz presser pulled up as soon as it starts. And I'm curious at what he has to say, because this is the worst L of his Sounders career, I have to imagine, like in terms yeah like in terms of like...
00:09:21
Speaker
depth of how bad it got in the scoreline and the circumstances and everything like we'll we'll see what he has to say but uh no i wanted to ah before we get to the schmetz presser i have i have a question for you yeah i have a question for you and i have a question for you as well chat i have a question how is it possible riddle me this This team just had a six-week break for the World Cup. They have not played a match in six weeks.
00:09:52
Speaker
Okay. How is it possible after a six-week break? Okay, wait, it looks like Schmitz is... All right, yep, yep, yep, yep. I'm going to hold that thought.
00:10:03
Speaker
It's a good thought, but I think we do have the presser starting in just a minute here. ah We got an empty podium. Going to try and turn up the audio for you guys.
Injuries and Fitness Concerns
00:10:19
Speaker
Okay, it's definitely not started yet. All right, I'm going to get back to my ah my take. What was I talking about?
00:10:31
Speaker
Riddle me this, Chad. Riddle me this. How is it possible after a six-week break that you come out of the six-week break with more injuries than you had before the six-week break started?
00:10:46
Speaker
How is that possible? I looked at the injury report report today. There was more guys on it today than there were before the World Cup break. It was everyone who was already injured plus Christian Roldan, which Christian Roldan injured with the USMNT. Unlucky. Stuff happens. But, you know, I was out at ah Long Acres this week, and I saw everyone asking Schmetz about the injuries, and it's just, you know, how's the starting center back? He tweaked his hamstring again. He's still out. He's not going to play.
00:11:18
Speaker
All right, Pat, how's the starting right back? He has a chronic hip issue that we've never known about, actually. So he's going to be out for the foreseeable future.
00:11:28
Speaker
okay how about the uh dp number 10. button for us the mic should be coming around from tim here jeremiah are you gonna lead us off or please well brian i guess what can you just say about that performance not good enough not not near not even close to the standard that we set at the club you a night where you're going to celebrate three legends three big people that are you know vital parts of this story the franchise 50 years celebration the grass is perfect zero excuses for that performance it's not good on you know and all you know I'll add on me too I got to own that that's the worst loss we've faced and it's the worst loss the
00:12:27
Speaker
I guess, did you see any signs that something like this could be, like,
Coach Schmetzer's Response
00:12:31
Speaker
were you worried that there was something like this in the? Never. Not in a million years. credit Credit to their coach. He had their guys fired up.
00:12:41
Speaker
ah So, you know, credit to the Timbers. But I didn't see it going. I thought we had a good week of training. I thought the guys were all motivated. Yeah.
00:12:54
Speaker
You know, we're just trying to break down some of the goals there. Goals change games, obviously. Paul's offside by half a yard. ah You know, Kalani has that chance in the beginning. And then they come down and score that first goal and seem to take all the wind out of our sails.
00:13:09
Speaker
And then going to halftime, trying to make some adjustments. You know, you give up a stupid foul.
00:13:18
Speaker
Defending on set pieces, you know, it's something that we can prevent or we should be better at. That second goal sunk us. You know, and then the third goal, I mean, Jackson's carrying a yellow and he doesn't want to step into midfield and, you know, they run back past four of us, just not good enough.
00:13:36
Speaker
we'll come down to Moz next.
00:13:40
Speaker
Yeah, Brian, you pretty much said, you know, but let me go a different way. Just what did you think about your overall defending? And it looked lack of communication between the conviction, yeah lacked intensity, lacked smarts, lacked ah desire.
00:13:58
Speaker
you know, you could say when Peter Kingston came on, You know a little spark there, you know, Stewart coming on trying to do something, but the defending was poor. And then, yeah, leave it at that. Okay, we're going wait for the mic to come around. Next up, Nico Moreno.
00:14:17
Speaker
Reminder for those on Zoom, if you have a question, hit the raise hand function button, please. Nico, go ahead. ah but Brian, just wondering if there's anything specifically that that that concerns you. we said you know the the lack of winning duels, you said the transition defense, you know is there something specifically that concerns you moving forward? And Jordan Morris, you took him off at halftime, just wondering if that was health-related or tactics. that is health-related. He's got a tight quad. We got to take a look at it.
00:14:46
Speaker
ah That was an injury substitution. As far as the, you know, am I worried about stuff, you know, to, to go a little bit with Maz's question, look, what I'm concerned about is at home, we like to, you know, be on the front foot, press higher up the field, but I got to take a look at, do we have the right players to press higher up the field? You know, again, that first goal, you look at the way they, you know,
00:15:14
Speaker
got past our pressure and if we can't, if we don't have the players, if we don't get the tactics right with the defending and higher up
Tactics and Injuries Discussion
00:15:24
Speaker
the field, then we're gonna to change that. So I'll take a look at that over the two days.
00:15:28
Speaker
Diego.
00:15:33
Speaker
when i a umbi this ah casede mass de la herrotaque of to forces <unk>ion and ritaro ah There's an old saying that says that you learn more of out of the lost from the winnings. What is the lesson that you're learning from this lost? well we'll Well, we'll dissect the tape and we'll make sure we go over all all of the areas that we were deficient in tonight and try and correct them ah before a tough road trip to Austin and Philly.
00:16:08
Speaker
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00:16:31
Speaker
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00:16:41
Speaker
Other questions on this side? OK, we'll come back around here for follow ups. Maz, you have one? OK, Jeremiah.
00:16:55
Speaker
Yeah, is there anything, I mean, you you mentioned the the tactics of pressing high up, but is there anything tactically that you feel like you just got wrong on this one?
00:17:09
Speaker
yeah Again, without having look at the tape, you know what I felt at halftime, it was one goal, it was one mistake. We we committed to press higher up the field. They got past us. They had strong running ah inside of Nuhu behind Jackson. I think we could have picked that up, but the problem happened higher up the field. So again, Jeremiah looked tactically.
00:17:33
Speaker
would I come to a home match against our our rival and try and take our foot off the gas or not press press high up the field? No, I probably wouldn't do that ever.
00:17:45
Speaker
So I don't know if that tactic is right or wrong. Maybe the application of those tactics is where I need to dig into to figure out, to make sure that the players all understood their roles and responsibilities in those moments. That's something I can work on.
00:18:00
Speaker
But overall, I wasn't going to sit back and let the Timbers have the ball. All right, we'll take one or two more. Nico, go ahead, please. but With so much on the line today when it came to Derby, the restart of the second half of the season, and you know how how do you make sure that this type of result doesn't affect the momentum or or the the start of of the second half of the season for this team? Well, it it's a bump in the road. It has affected the start. That's three losses in a row if you want to go back to the the first part of the year. And so, yeah, something has to change.
00:18:35
Speaker
So it's a pretty strong group mentally. They're a little fragile right now after this, but we'll get them back up on the horse on on Monday and and, you know, we'll get some guys back from injury and we'll be fine. Don't make a miss anybody. We'll leave it there. Thanks, all. Locker room's open. Thanks, everybody.
00:18:56
Speaker
good but the up you're good There you had it from a not very happy Brian Schmetzer. i guess as we get Noah back in here, let's ah let's talk about let's give our little reaction to the ah to the press conference and then we can we can keep it pushing with our takeaways from the match itself. ah But there is a lot there from Schmetz. But where I want to start, Noah, is what he talked about with ah energy and intensity. Because ah how often have we talked about over the last few years ah how when it comes to these Seattle versus Portland Derbies, which team seems to always have the edge in those two departments every single time? yeah It's the Portland Timbys. ah
00:19:41
Speaker
Are the Portland Timbys a particularly good soccer team in 2026? No, yeah famously, they're not. They're not. They do. You know how many points per game they were averaging coming into this game today?
00:19:55
Speaker
One. One point per game. Not even 1.01. Literally one. One exactly point per game. They were toiling away, battling with St. Louis City SC for 13th place in the West. I've heard that that's the best place because, we i mean men you know. We have a lot of Timbs fans in chat right now, which is fine.
00:20:16
Speaker
I wouldn't expect nothing less and you know, I'm sure we want to be here. Yeah, honestly, honestly, for like call like fair play. Yeah, ah but like it's not like the ah the T the opposition in question here is so good that they should be able to do that to you ever know, let alone at home under circumstances like this. Yeah, ah so When I look at this game and what went wrong, it's not that the Portland Timbies are a better team than Seattle right now. It's not that their roster is better. It's not that their players are better. It's not that they spend more money. It's that they care a lot about games like this. When they go into these games, A, they are trying to save their season and springboard themselves a lot of the time. This is always their Super Bowl. Always their Super Bowl. which I realize coming from us right now sounds like the biggest cope of all time. Which is our Superbowl, which it is. But that's what I'm saying, man. Like for them to come out and you, you know, you know that this is their Superbowl. You know, this is, they don't care about winning MLS cup. No, they care about winning this game. That's all they, that is all they care about. So you know that they are going to come out and they are going to look like Real Madrid. And that is that first goal that Kevin Kelsey scored like low key, like, Every single person in the press box was like, yep, hats off.
00:21:38
Speaker
Hats off. If you can break down a defense with a nice pass like that, and frankly, Jackson Reagan deciding that he doesn't want to defend and New Who not talking to him, telling him he has a man on his back, it's like, all right.
00:21:48
Speaker
Yeah, and you know, should New Who and Jackson Reagan have let Kevin Kelsey split them completely unmarked with absolutely no one tracking him or picking him up? No, they should not have done that. They should have defended that better. But if Kevin Kelsey is going to hit...
00:22:03
Speaker
the number one play on sports center, top 10 and punch you in the mouth. That stuff happens sometimes. Yeah. And what do we talk about all the time? It's like when you hit that adversity, especially in a rivalry match, it's not the fact that you conceded a goal or went down one zero. It's how you respond. And I think this team has usually been pretty good about responding in those types of situations. ah But in these Portland Derbies specifically, and in this game,
00:22:32
Speaker
The response was catastrophic. There was no response. There was no response. That's the problem. There was no response. There was a corner kick Hassani Dotson half-ass goal at the end that like in some ways feels more offensive to me. I'm pissed that he scored that. Than if we would have just been 5-0 blank. Yeah. And I want to say something that's also embarrassing to me. It's the fact that all of you are watching and none of you have liked the video. Listen, if you hate us, if you're here for the Portland Timbers shot. There's so many people. Totally. I don't care. Just drop us a like or a dislike. don't even give shit at this point. Honestly, to the channel Road to 4K. Road to 4K.
00:23:09
Speaker
Watch the crash out. It's going to happen. this I mean, at this point, what what do we have to say other than this is a turning point that could turn into an absolute disaster? Yeah, and we're going to talk about that ah more, but let's let's talk about the game itself a little bit more and just how badly this ah this went off the rails.
Management and Financial Criticisms
00:23:27
Speaker
Before we do that, sorry, Timbo Slice Sounder with 20 Bomb. Thank you. Thank you for the 20 Bomb. We really appreciate the support in these trying times. That's going to buy us are sorry our hotel room in Portland. Appreciate you, Timbo. Timbo, you better call in later when we're all crashing out. Yes. um
00:23:44
Speaker
So Kevin Kelsey scores goddamn number one goal on SportsCenter top 10. That was a sick goal. Like, honestly, that whole sequence of play and then the header that he hit, incredibly high degree of difficulty. Before we go, I can't even talk about the game yet because, Ari, we're not talking about the most important piece of this. Fucking Jordan Morris is injured again. Well, okay, actually, I'm glad you brought that up because... Fucking Jordan Morris is injured again. was soapboxing. Did you see the way...
00:24:12
Speaker
that Schmetzer reacted to that, he went, I mean, I think that's what we all did. God, we're so back, dude. We're so back. We're so back. It's an injury again.
00:24:24
Speaker
An injury substitution. i know not But the thing is, it could have been performance-based. That's why you had to ask that question. He had five touches. He had five touches on the ball. He had a fucking re-aggravated injury off five touches on the ball.
00:24:39
Speaker
So, okay, I want to, i'm glad I'm glad you brought us back to this because bra I was so boxing on this right before the ah the presser and just, you know, pontificating on how, just how it's possible that you have a longer injury report coming off a six week break than you had going into the six week break. yeah And you know, there's people in chat already saying, you know, don't make the injury excuses.
00:24:58
Speaker
I want to clarify this right now. That is not excuse. there There is no excuse at all, yeah even with the injuries taken into account. I just think it's remarkable that they somehow ended up with a longer injury report coming out of the six-week break yeah and going into it. And also, you know, it's not an excuse, but it doesn't help the situation. No. Why is that? How is that possible? no How is that possible? like Don't worry, Ari. Pedro de la Vega has no timeline for return. I'm so glad that our designated player striker is permanently injured and can't go longer than 60 minutes. Our designated player that hasn't played in four fucking years, it's about his contracts about to expire without him playing an entire full season, can't play, and we have no idea when he's going to come back. And Albert Rusnak,
00:25:44
Speaker
Brigade coach? Where was he tonight? I'm not sure that I have ever... I don't know. Should we just knock out a little bit of that discourse? Yeah, I think we should. i think we should.
00:25:55
Speaker
Because there i mean you know there's going to be a lot of victory lapping on that. I'm sure Brigade is having a field day ah right now. ah But... Like... Everyone was awful.
00:26:08
Speaker
Everyone was one was awful. Kalani maybe was the only somewhat okay saving grace. And I mean, I thought if you're on the field for, it for a five, one, you might as well just take, i thought I thought Roth rock had some moments in the first half. His dive was really good. do you want to talk about the dive? Let's talk about the dive. So he tried to draw a penalty at the end, which I can respect, ah but it was a blatant dive while he was on a yellow card. So it got VA art off correctly. yeah,
00:26:34
Speaker
Dude, like he should have been sent. He should have been sent off. It's actually like Paul Rothrock should have been sent off. Like, are we, am I, are we missing something? Like that simulation? No, it was absolutely simulation. And I think the ref bailed him out by saying the foul was outside the box. I didn't think there was a foul at all. I don't think the guy, I think the replay so that I saw pretty clearly showed that he wasn't, there was no contact at all. So I think he got bailed out there. Yeah. ah And you know,
00:26:59
Speaker
would we Would I care even if he did get sent off right there? Only insofar as he would be suspended for the next game. But like... At that point, it's like, dude, I'm sorry. What's it matter? Yeah, like that was not even... then And like Gianni's saying the ref is helping us trying to save face. Absolutely. Like, absolutely. that If it's tie game or something, he'd probably get sent off. Yeah. But because...
00:27:22
Speaker
The Sounders were losing by four goals at that point. He was like, ah screw it. I'll let him stay on. it' That's how bad it was. It's egregious. That's how bad it was. It was egregious. And it was a... I mean, I think i think Paul Rothrock would probably admit that that if you gave him the truth serum, he would probably admit that he dove there. I mean, it was obvious. I mean, that's that's like, sure.
00:27:40
Speaker
I mean, don't... Like... itt that You know, that's neither here nor there. But ah that was just a funny little, oh, they got a penalty kick. There you go. Yeah. And you watch dignity goal. And then you're like, that's not that shouldn't be. That's a dive. That's dive. That's a di nots a dive. So there was that. Where were we? We were talking about the injuries. I was just saying that, like, what's the point of like, we don't even have a team anymore.
00:28:03
Speaker
Like you said it the best. We are at a fork in the road at what the Sounders are, who the Sounders What this build is. What what this is What anything is happening right now. You have... Maybe you're going to play in Luma... This is the...
00:28:18
Speaker
this is this is the like the influx needle moving moment where the Portland Timbers could potentially point to this match and say, we ended the reign of the Seattle Sounders. Oh, they're going to point to this match and say, we're about to save our season. And they might, they might see that's what we're going to find out in the days and weeks and months to come is what exactly the fallout is from this. Because I think fork in the road is a good way to describe it because ah it is,
00:28:50
Speaker
the most one of the most, if not the most horrendous games and results in the history of the club. yeah It is also just one game. And going into this game, if you asked me about the state of the Seattle Sounders and their roster, I would not have told you that it's as dire as the brigade would lead you to believe and that they're going to lead you to believe after a game like this. This team, you know, for however negative we've been tonight and are going to be negative throughout this season,
00:29:14
Speaker
this show, this team was at 1.88 or whatever points per game. They looked insane going on into this game. Like the start of the season was... They've been at two points per game for most of the year up until the last couple games before the World Cup break where all the entire squad got injured and they had a couple really bad L's, a really bad 2-0 home L to the Galaxy that I had wiped from my memory that I had to ah look up. So yes, the last two games before the World Cup break looked...
00:29:45
Speaker
Pretty bad. Yeah, not that bad, but pretty bad. But on the balance, they had won seven games and we're at 1.88 points per game. So you could at least look at it. And if you wanted to tell yourself that this roster was in a place where it could actually contend for and win trophies. there was at least a case. Yeah, there was a case to be. There was a case. People can deny that if they want, but they're at based on the performance on the literal record and the points per game. You could make that case based on those things.
00:30:14
Speaker
Now we have the context of more performances, an entire break. And it's like, all right, well, it's time to realize that that wasn't fake. Oh, we froze. Our video froze. We got too hot.
00:30:28
Speaker
We got too hot. Oh, we're good. We're good. We're back. Guys, we got we cooked so hard that we literally made the guy heard I know you heard. was cooking. I had a great take right there. I hope you all heard that. Is this roster done?
00:30:42
Speaker
That's, that's what we're going to find out. Like, like what, what in this roster is salvage? Well, cause think about the lineup tonight. Yeah. Like I, I just talked about the injuries and how dire a situation it was, how more, much more dire it was than it should be given that you just had six weeks off. But look at the the lineup that was out there tonight. Yeah. You had Tino Lopez out there. Tino Lopez has been playing well yeah this year, but let's, okay. Actually I have somewhere where I want to go. Yeah. Let's go I have somewhere. So I, I mean and guys, we will take calls.
00:31:10
Speaker
yeah Please watch. We're just, we need to get our distances first and then we'll get my catharsis is more important than taking yes right now, yeah but okay. So Noah, but going into this game, i was actually pretty concerned.
00:31:22
Speaker
Yeah. and like And I definitely did not see that coming. I did not see a 5-1 coming, but I was pretty concerned. And the reasons were as follows. ah Christian Roldan not playing in this game, injured with yeah the USMNT. And when that happens, the starting double pivot for this team is Hassani Dotson and Snyder Brunel. And After watching that game and thinking about how that setup has looked really all season when they've had to run it out, it's just not complimentary skill set. No, it's not that that pairing cannot run the double pivot in the way that this system has to have for it to function.
00:32:05
Speaker
effectively with when chris with Christian Roldan in there. So that was... The system in general... That was red flag number one yeah right off rip. And it's really... It's not even about Hassani or Snyder as individual players. You and I, we love Snyder. In fact, if I had to pick... If we were doing positives and negatives and I had to reach for a delusional positive, I thought Snyder at the start of the game... Man, he almost... They almost scored a couple times in the first 10 minutes. yeah Snyder had...
00:32:31
Speaker
One good shot that was saved, I think. And then they come on Miller cleared a Snyder goal off the line. If that goes in, maybe things are different, but that double pivot, it just doesn't have the bite and physicality and ground coverage and dirty work there. Christian Roldan does all the dirty work for this team every single week, every single game. I hope anyone who doesn't appreciate it appreciates it now after watching that because I don't think that you can run that double pivot anymore. You can't. And there's going to be a lot of talks about moving off Jordan Morris and Albert Rusnak and getting a new DP9 and moving off Pedro De La Vega. And I'm not even here to say that that discourse isn't valid, but you need to sign. You need get someone on this. You've got to figure out the pivot. You got to figure that out, man. We were walking. That not, like, you can't run that out there. We were literally walking back across the bridge, and the first thing that came to my mind was, wow, isn't it incredible that year after year after year, this team cannot function without Christian Roldan? It's become the Ozzy Alonso It's literally the Ozzy Alonso thing, and we're doing it all again, and guess what?
00:33:35
Speaker
Christian Roldan is an incredible player. I love Christian Roldan. You love Christian Roldan. He's not going to leave the team, but he's going to age out and you need secondary options as he starts to play. He's going to have less durability as he ages. And we're at this point where you have fucking Hassani Dotson is his backup. No disrespect to Hassani Dotson. Got a goal tonight.
00:33:56
Speaker
Kind of the only bright spot, but still that has been a bust though. It's, been a We should say it. We should say it. Brigade's going to give us a hard time if we don't say it. It's been a bust. It's been a bust. It's been a concern, at least in the position that he's playing. $800,000.
00:34:12
Speaker
eight I just, I mean. the whole The whole kind of point of that idea, which i you know you know, let's acknowledge. We bought into that idea at the time. And I, you know, I watched a lot of Hassani Dotson on Minnesota United. To where I thought that I. Danny Leyva.
00:34:29
Speaker
How does Danny Leyva change see this result? Does he change it at all? See, I don't think so because that's not the skill set that I'm talking about yeah it's like ground coverage and dirty work. you like You have to set up your formation much differently. And like honestly, a guy on this roster who...
00:34:47
Speaker
did and could have filled that role in a more like for like way to Christian was Jao Paulo. But without him, if Hassani Dotson doesn't have that skillset, which he's not really providing, then you really, you have no double pivot in the way that you need for Schmetzer ball to function. And I think at this point, after seeing how far that went off the rails, they, they literally, they can't run that double pivot again. And then it's like, well, what do you run? Who do you have that has that skillset? Nobody. So this roster has to get that. Otherwise you are just fundamentally in a situation where when Christians out, you are charged and that might sound dramatic, but look what just happened. They shipped five goals. They look, they let the 1.0 points per game, Portland Timbies bam, five goals on them made them and play them off the field.
00:35:34
Speaker
Real salt, Real salt, Madrid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that is, that's, that's issue number one that I had right off the bat. And I was worried about that. I was concerned about that. And my concerns, I think turned out to be well-founded. And again, man, it's not like, it's really not like blame game. It's skill sets, acknowledgement, and like what these players bring to the table. And, uh, you know, there'll be a lot of Craig Wybes discourse. I'm sure we've been, we're ready to We're ready to have it. We'll do it in the in the calls, I'm sure. But like anyone who wants to say, man, 800K on Hassani Dotson for what he's providing in this system, for it to for results like that to happen when he has to play, that that's a bad look. That's not good, guys. That is not good. And that was honestly the second thing that I was kind of thinking about going into the game was the the pressure on Hassani Dotson specifically, You said you noted that very specifically that like this is this is the the game for him to figure it out.
00:36:35
Speaker
this is This is kind of the biggest pressure that he's going to have. And if he doesn't he doesn't figure it out, well... And like i really like i really don't mean to make it a thing of like oh it's all Hassani's fault it it's it's not it's the it's just what that double pivot is skill set wise that's it and if that's what it is then you literally that's not a playable setup no it's not's not not if the Portland Tibbs can do that to it so that's that's that's ah that's something uh And then the other thing is ah the fact that Yamar is still out after the six-week break, which is something I was going to get to. yeah but like, i you know, i don't mean to keep harping on this, but the fact that ah he got this injury, what, like the second or third game of the season? Like a long-ass time ago at this point? oh don't worry. Kim Keehee's also out. That was a really good fucking re-signing. I forgot to mention that. Thank you for re-signing 47,000-year-old Kim Keehee. I get that he's making like nothing and he's not costing anything, but he is using an international spot.
00:37:35
Speaker
Well, and like you need you. If Yamar is out, you, that's the roster spot that you need to be able to fill in in a situation like this. It's just fucking penny pitching. Ari. I'm so fucking tired of it. I'm so fucking tired of it. And it's like, it's one of those things where it's like, I really like Craig Weibel as a person. I really don't think that he's, he's done the wrong thing with the amount that he's done. I think the problem is we're fucking broke.
00:38:02
Speaker
We're fucking broken. We won't spend a goddamn single penny on a transfer fee. We won't spend a single fucking penny on anything. And we're spending money on people because they lived in Seattle at one point or because they are like, we're a formerly really good prospect without an injury and we can get some kind of deal on them. It's just, it's fucking infuriating. I'm watching Sporting Kansas goddamn city court Mo Salah and we're going to have like...
00:38:31
Speaker
We'll probably sign a guy from the Defiance. God, you sound like such Brigade right now. But it's funny to like that, dude. I'm done. I'm done. I've given you an opportunity. I've absolutely given you an opportunity to show me that you can do it on a budget. It's worked for a little bit, but now we're here, okay? We won Leaks Cup. Amazing. That was incredible. That was a really good ragtag squad. It's 2026 now. What have you done for me lately? What have you done for me lately?
00:38:58
Speaker
Fucking nothing. So... Let's spend some goddamn money and maybe we should bring tribe in. Oh, we got to bring tribe in. try we like to go lit We got everyone ready to throw down these takes. I cannot wait to hear what you all have to say. ah There's like 10 of you in here right now. So if it takes a minute, ah sorry, but there's ah yeah a lot of you in the queue. We'll try and be efficient. There's also 500 people watching. So yeahs yeah, there we go. All right. You ready ah tribe?
00:39:27
Speaker
yep all right Welcome to the call, Tribe. um i'm just I'm not even going to say anything. You just take it from here. take wall or trap Well, it's time to get rid of Morris. He's doing jack shit. He's he's costing us a DP spot. That's that's just insane. we We're going to sign...
00:39:44
Speaker
five fucking players in the summer from the Defiance. That's just going to happen. It's every single year. It's every single... It feels like it's every single month that we hear about something like that. It's getting really old at this point. We can't beat the Timbers. We we just can't. We've done it once in the past how long?
00:40:01
Speaker
Who cares? We we we have... a a very, very cheap ah general manager who doesn't want to spend anything, nothing. When was the last time we signed an actual banger player? De La Vega. And how did he he turn out?
00:40:16
Speaker
He's pretty injured, right? We haven't had a great signing in so, so long. We went from, we went from, Roldan, Ladero, and Joao Paulo to fucking Hassani Dotson and 19-year-old Schneider Brunel.
Recruitment Strategy Issues
00:40:33
Speaker
What the fuck? No, genuinely. And we went from Raul Ruiz Diaz to fucking Morris, who plays once every fucking month, it feels like at this point. It's it's the most painful, inferior. You know, I don't even care. It's so bad, I even care anymore. I just don't even care anymore. It's just so fucking painful. I don't know what to think.
00:40:54
Speaker
So Tribe, this is my question. Is the cheapness a GM issue or is it an ownership issue? Because I think that's what needs to be talked about. Man, if I took over, I would i would buy it out for $500 and still spend more. That's how bad it is. Genuinely. It's both.
00:41:11
Speaker
I think the fans should own the club completely. That's what should happen. Like some Green Bay Packers? Absolutely. we We would spend a lot more. It doesn't matter. Our broke asses would spend a lot more than them. GoFundMe would go crazy. GoFundMe for a Sounders DP. That could be good That's a good bit. egg That could be a good bit.
00:41:33
Speaker
i We would raise like 10 mil. Yeah, easily. And we're going to bring in Sala. Fuck Kansas City, bro. We're bringing in Sala. Sala is about to go live in Kansas City. yo Literally Kansas City, Missouri. Like, well I'm sorry, Kansas. can't Let me just pause for a second.
00:41:53
Speaker
Sporting Kansas City, yeah the club that had the same coach, sporting director, general manager, and also somehow they're more passionate about professional wrestling than they are. yeah But more, more, they care more about professional wrestling than soccer are the front runners to sign one of the best strikers to ever play the fucking game.
00:42:15
Speaker
And the Seattle Sounders, zero transfer rumors in like 10 years. Here's the thing, though. Here's the thing, though. And then Tribe, I'll toss it back to you. But like a result like this, I'm curious what effect it has on that mentality, because up until now, they've been able to say and we've honestly we've been perpetuators of this viewpoint. Like I'll ah I'll say that, but they've been able to say, well, yeah, but we win.
00:42:38
Speaker
Yeah, but we went looked our trophy case. look at look at Look at where we're at on the table. Look at how we perform. Look at how we compete. Look at look at our club. Look at our culture. shit let Shit like that happened tonight never happens to us. So like that that's what they were able to say when anyone levied this criticism. And I think as long as they were taking results and things were going their way and they were stacking trophies, they had a point to make.
00:43:02
Speaker
After some shit like that, you don't really have that to stand on. No, I completely agree. I could believe it's it's a joke. I mean, how how does Robert Lewandowski go to Chicago? Griezmann going to Orlando? Salah probably going to Kansas? How do we not have anybody?
00:43:19
Speaker
How? How do we? The club? don't even need it to be a guy like that. guy like Rui Diaz. Spend a couple fucking million dollars someone. It's just crazy. The best line in this club has ever made are Nicholas Ladero and Raul Rui Diaz. Yeah, I don't need washed up fucking 47-year-old Antoine Griezmann to make me happy. need a 28-year-old Peruvian guy who's really short and loves to post really weird TikTok videos. That's what I want.
00:43:48
Speaker
Why can't we have that? What have we lost as a club? I think... I don't know. I'm curious to see how this changes like the tact from ah from the ownership in the front office because like you can you can get away with money balling when you're winning and when you're stacking trophies when you're getting smoked on 5-1 by your biggest rivals at home front of 35K.
00:44:10
Speaker
Azel is cooking. San Jose of all teams just bought the golden boot leader from an A-league on a U22 deal this week. Fucking San Jose. Yeah. Yeah. And guys, I see there's more than 10 people trying to get into Q. Yeah, sorry, Q's lit. We're poor. If you donate, we'll upgrade the StreamYard subscription. Give us one last take to bring it home, and then we got to we got to get James in here. yeah No, absolutely. It's just crazy that we're not getting any emotion like these other ah poverty clubs, genuinely.
00:44:40
Speaker
um yeah Last thing I'll say, ownership has to change. management has to change i think brian it's not really brian schmetzer's fault i think this was just an anonymous brother i'm too pissed i came in holy shit thank you uh it's just it's just a painful thing i'm gonna forget about this and look forward to the world cup final i'm gonna try to enjoy the world cup final with this in the back of my brain just nagging me until we finally beat the timbers uh but but with that being said i
00:45:12
Speaker
Yeah. Fuck the Timbers, man. This is horrible. mean, they're not going to win anything. Let's be serious. Honestly, yeah. No. We will. We can't say shit. We can't say shit right now. I'm trying to cope, but it's like can't really say shit right now. The Timbers are dying. Yeah.
00:45:29
Speaker
All right, we'll see you next time. right, Tribe. Thank you for calling in. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. Okay, I'm kicking you. I'm sorry. Okay, if you were trying to get in the queue, there's a spot open now. just ah This is a star-studded queue. got James. Are you ready? We got everyone up in here. we got Caleb. Okay, let's go. let's James. James. Okay, you know what, James?
00:45:49
Speaker
let me Let me... First, I got to start with an open letter. An open letter to James, the leader of the brigade. You know, I was... I was wrong.
00:46:00
Speaker
I was wrong Maybe I was right at some point. Maybe I was right at some point, but at the end we landed on James having the correct opinion. What I have ever thought that was the case. James was right. But it's like, I just, I would like to, I would like to formally accept.
00:46:17
Speaker
I would like to formally have my application into the brigade. I'm handing it in and I would like to know if I'm approved to be entered in. It is gratefully accepted. Noah.
00:46:28
Speaker
and you will hold a place of pride amongst us until you ah until we win a game and you change your mind and you're feeling enthusiastic again. and ah you know. I'm glad that you know exactly how I am. The first win over the Colorado Rapids, we're going to be right back on the screw the brigade. I may have seen a few episodes of your show. Yeah, few, yeah.
00:46:52
Speaker
Yeah, so Ari, you asked at the beginning
Comparisons to Past Losses
00:46:54
Speaker
if this was the the worst Sounders L ever. I don't know if it's the worst ever, but it was the worst I can recall since the three ni loss to Sporting Kansas City in 2016. That got Ziggy from...
00:47:08
Speaker
which in some ways was worse because clearly nobody cared. and I think the people cared in this game. They just played very badly. But just to that, the, I, cause I've seen a couple people already make that comparison that that 2016 team was in way worse shape than this team. yeah That team was like at one point per game. This team was at 1.8 going in. So i think it is a little different in that way, but yeah, like, yes, continue.
00:47:31
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I mean, the, the point I wanted to make was that that game was a, a turning point. Siggy was fired Ladera was brought in.
00:47:44
Speaker
So you can always turn things around in MLS. The regular season does not, you don't have to win every game to get in the playoffs and go on a hot run. But we need to look at this as a new Sporting Kansas City 3-0. I don't think Brian should be fired.
00:48:00
Speaker
I am a little worried the message is getting stale, but I have no confidence that Hanauer can replace him. it's gotta be Craig Weibel. You know, I know you guys always ask, you know, is it the money? is it the general manager? Part of the reason that he is does not have money is his own incompetence. Okay. If I was an owner of a soccer team and I gave a guy $7 million dollars and he signs a guy who has a reconstructed knee and comes in with an injury and he never plays, I'm not going to be anxious to give him another $7 million. dollars Fair enough. And on top of that,
00:48:34
Speaker
why did we Why did we only get $3 million dollars for Obed Vargas? Because Craig Weibel botched his contract and didn't lock him down. So the money problems are real. And at some point, we need to talk about whether Hanauer is fit to lead this club, either ah in terms of competence or finances.
00:48:52
Speaker
But anybody can do what Craig Weibel does. You can do it. I can do it. Anybody control the and MLS free agent list. Anybody can wait until somebody's shopping Petkovic or Jesus or Areola around.
00:49:07
Speaker
It's not hard. Literally anybody can do this. So he's got to go. There's no urgency when you listen to his latest press conference. He's still talking about how, oh, you know, I want somebody who can come in and affect the team right now. He's been saying that for years. What if he's done?
00:49:23
Speaker
I talked to him. When he got the two years ago, then that guy would be ready to make a difference like the two U-22s who just scored against us for Portland. Yeah. I literally just like, I was on that presser, right? I asked him the question because he, he started the conversation by saying, sorry guys, I'm literally making a thumbnail while while I do this. Cause this is the life of Noah. But ah I literally asked him because I was like, he he had said, you know, MLS needs to do more to like bring in talent and we need to like build up this league to be like a top five league. And I, I wanted to ask him directly because it was such a funny like response. I said,
00:50:02
Speaker
so how do the Sounders directly relate? Like how do the Sounders specifically help with that goal? And he was like, well, you know, our style of play and we're such a big club and blah, blah, blah. But he never said making signings or pushing the needle on all of those kinds of things. So it's very clear to me that that's just like not even a thought in their minds. Like they think that their job is done in terms of, ah but building up the allure of the sounders in MLS. It's now Academy and, you know, like pushing people forward. We don't need that top end signing. We can sustain ourselves.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, they kill it. They're clearly wrong because, you know, they need to, they need new DPs. I mean, I, You know how I feel about Rusnak. It was a bad game. I don't think he's even a good player at this point. The argument used to be, is he a DP? Then is he a good fit for ah Schmetzer system? And now it's just, is he any good? And I don't think the answer, but being a bad player
Morris' Performance Concerns
00:51:04
Speaker
is one thing. Jordan Morris can't play anymore.
00:51:07
Speaker
If yeah he was taken off for an injury, ah he can't play because of injury. And if he was taken off for performance, I i was sad. ah watching him play. I watched him get the ball and try to run and he he just doesn't have it anymore. Oh man, when he and Diego Chara were in the foot race. I was like, it's 2016 again. What is happening? And Diego Chara beat him.
00:51:30
Speaker
Diego Chara beat him. he He just doesn't have it anymore. And i would hope that... um You know, that this club's done a lot for him. um Obviously, it's given him opportunities. It's paid him a lot of money.
00:51:43
Speaker
It allowed him to do the Swansea loan when that was very much not in our financial interest and ended up being a complete disaster with the ACL tear. um The club's given a lot to him. i think it would be admirable if he would take a lower buyout.
00:52:01
Speaker
because i don't and Because I don't think that we have the, it would probably cost $3 million dollars to buy him out based on his contract. I don't think we have that. I think it would be Admiral if he just said, you know, i'm I'm just a detriment to the club at this point, the club that i grew up in, the club that I love, the city that I love.
00:52:19
Speaker
And i need I need to make something happen here because it's ah he he just doesn't have it anymore. And I love Jordan and it pains me to say that. we we We know you do. I think the whole the hardest part of the Jordan Morris situation is like he he's the club's top goal scorer. He is someone who has been... contributed to a ton of winning and a lot of trophies. that yeah That's the point that I... ah I don't know. I feel like I might need to do a whole like podcast on that topic at so at one juncture or another. But ah it is it that that was tough to watch tonight. That was tough to watch him coming out with the ice pack on the quad. And it's just like, dude, like...
00:52:57
Speaker
It just feels kind of inevitable, you know? yeah So anyway, James, give us one more spiel and then we got to get Gianni in here. You know, ill I'll give you two quick ones. One, Portland did not have a good record, but they spent a lot of time investing in young talent so that once you got the bum manager out of there, they could come out and thrive. We need to be, we should have done that years ago. The best time to do that was two, three years ago. The second best time is now. And the last thing I'll say,
00:53:26
Speaker
is there have been a lot of people in the Sounders media, and I'm not referring to you guys, totally not, who have done a lot of legwork for Hanauer. You can cook us too. I'm not talking. We're here for it. There are a lot of people who parroted Hanauer's talking points that spending doesn't matter in MLS. There been people who said, oh, Morris, he's a real DP. You know, Craig Weibel is cooking. You just have bad taste.
00:53:52
Speaker
You will need to own some of this too. OK, you are part of the reason that it got this bad in terms of spending, in terms of GM competence and use your platform for change. Demand new DPs, demand new U22s and encourage people to boycott the season tickets. If we don't see major investment in the roster this offseason, it's been five years. It's about time.
00:54:17
Speaker
James, absolute fire. Great call, brother. We appreciate you. Thank you for having me. yeah readyium m We'll get you on the next one. Bye, James. All right. I mean, that dude, James was kind of spinning. I'm ready for Gianni, though. The thing is, yeah we got to get we had two heaters, but now I already know Gianni's about to... I've watched him just like trying to hold it together ah in his chair. and i can't wait for the Gianni take. Are you ready, Gianni?
00:54:45
Speaker
Yeah, he's nodding. He's nodding. Welcome to the stream, Gianni. Gianni, take it away, man. Take it away. 5-1 to the Timbys at home. First game after the MLS restart. After the World Cup, the momentum, it was all there. The new fans were there to be taken, and you got 5-1 by your biggest rival at home.
00:55:03
Speaker
What's up, man? how are you feeling?
00:55:07
Speaker
Brother, how are we how am I supposed to be feeling right now? like I feel exactly how you think I feel right now.
Need for Strategic Overhaul
00:55:15
Speaker
I mean, that was that was some absolute fucking dog shit that we laid out there. It was impressive, honestly. puppy couldn't have done better, honestly. yeah Just shit literally all over the bed.
00:55:30
Speaker
Yeah. where's your Where's your mindset at? like do you think that you Are you feeling like this is a fork in the road like we've been talking about? or are you coping? What's going on?
00:55:41
Speaker
No, this has to be a turning point. um We went into this break on a two game losing streak. That was pretty horrendous. Like, I don't remember if everyone else remembers because that seems like a lifetime ago.
00:55:57
Speaker
Those games weren't good. And we said, ah going into this break, it's going to be fine because we're going to get a break. We're going to get healthy. Yeah.
00:56:08
Speaker
We're going to come back. We're going to play the Timbers. It's going to be this turning point in the season for us. I know that we've been doing well, but we were actually on a a downward slope already. Yeah. And we said we're going to use this as a bounce back game.
00:56:21
Speaker
Yes. What part of tonight felt like a bounce back is my question because we were like a dead drop. We bounced off the field. Yeah, we bounced that ass out to like Long Acres where we might as well just play the rest of our games in front of no fans. If this is how I'm not sure if you've seen it a bird hit a window before, but it felt like that kind of bounce. No, that's what you'd like. That's the most galling part about it. You had six weeks off to like get healthy, get recalibrated, lock in, put the last two crappy games before the break behind you and get ready to go contend for some trophies. If you go out there and you even say it's like a competitive, hard fought, entertaining to to draw. Yeah. know, we're all probably sitting on this postgame show feeling like there's drop points. We're pissed off. We're doing the Craig Weibel discourse or whatever. But like to get five one to like like let that whole storyline of the energy and intensity be totally on the side of the Timbs, man. It's so egregious. No, just getting absolutely bammed on like it was our fucking job. Oh, like three goals in seven minutes. Have you ever seen that? ah Sure, yeah. When I was playing, like when I was playing, when I used to scrimmage down levels, like that's when I used to see that kind of shit. Like this was actually horrendous. This is not the same pro level soccer. feels like
00:57:51
Speaker
I mean, they might as well have walked off the field after halftime. Did they not? Coming out of the break that flat. Honestly, did we not? After you got smoked on in the first half. How do you how do you go in after that first half, which was awful?
00:58:05
Speaker
and i was now yeah I was actually texting with my father. i was like He's like, okay, I'm turning this off. It was at the 77th minute. I'm like, oh, at least you quit at the 77th. The Sounders quit in the first Like, it was fucking horrendous. Like, I don't know what the fuck we were doing out there. We were talking about that in the press box. there was There was one point where Jeremiah was like, are they, like, tanking for Super Draft picks? Yeah, we were all... so Yeah, like, there was, like, I don't... I don't even know. Which time? You mean when Nuhu and Reagan both decided that guy who's running for the ball isn't worth chasing? Or when Nuhu decided that I am not going to go out to try and challenge this cross?
00:58:45
Speaker
Yeah, like it it was just dumbfounding watching us the best defensive team in MLS, like tied for the best defensive team in MLS.
00:58:57
Speaker
to just yeah what was What was worse tonight, the offense or the defense? I guess the defense, but like... No offense. No, no, no. no ah The defense probably stopped them from scoring seven.
00:59:08
Speaker
Yeah. ah The offense didn't score one. Well, they did score one. let's not go I'm sorry, I'm sorry. i'm sorry ah Yeah, you're right. Hassani Dawson didn't get the consolation goal. They were down 4-0, got a dignity goal at the end, and then still conceded another goal. Yeah.
00:59:24
Speaker
Do you think Portland was actually defending at that point? Or do you like, let's see how many goals you guys can score in five minutes. Yeah. i Like, this was just absolutely insane. don't mean to rush you, but we we do have 10 extra people in the queue. So I want you to give your final crash out and then we will... Where do we go from here, Gianni? Yeah, where do we go from here What's the... Where, like... Where do we go from here? A full-on fucking teardown, boys.
00:59:52
Speaker
Okay, so you're there. You're there. I mean, like... Which of our DPs are working out? How many of our TAM players are currently playing up to their contracts?
01:00:02
Speaker
Not a lot. Not a lot. ah We have a bunch of players that we've pilfered from Defiance that we're hoping can fill the back end of this roster. How's that working out for us?
01:00:14
Speaker
Not that great. So the what we're looking at is late stage A's money balling. yeah Everyone else has caught on to the way that we were building our teams, the way we were finding like players that were underperforming that we could buy at a cheap and repurpose.
01:00:35
Speaker
They're looking at the same players that we used to look at as TAM players from outside the league. The ah cost of players outside the league has gone up our willingness to spend has not followed that trend we are falling behind the market and i know that everyone wants to blame craig and yes to a degree craig is to blame for the paid for signing no qualms about that yep he owns that one
01:01:08
Speaker
What about our inability to spend to buy out Raul? What about our inability to spend to actually pay players like to come in? like We're not paying any transfer fees for our DPs. We have to get them on freeze.
01:01:25
Speaker
We're being hindered by the actual money man, Adrian Hanauer.
01:01:33
Speaker
we We can only moneyball for so long trying to find wins in the aggregate
01:01:43
Speaker
until everyone catches on to what we're doing. As soon as you do that, you have to try and find another another area to exploit. You know what Miami's doing?
01:01:54
Speaker
They're finding a way to exploit the rules. Yeah. Yeah. You got to play that game. You do. You need to cheat. You got to cheat to win. If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
01:02:05
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like you don't have to be trying to give up 10% of your club to a player. You can also be signing them on a TAM to become a DP. What we don't need to be doing.
01:02:21
Speaker
Don't worry. They did that. It's called Jesus Ferreira. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I can't wait until he is the next DP signed. And at least he's like 25. At least he's like 25. I mean, yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong. It's great that he plays. How many goals has he scored?
01:02:39
Speaker
yeah yeah no i mean don't get me wrong it's great that he plays how many goals has you scored
01:02:48
Speaker
uh like six or something something are we talking all ah forever like four i don't know i see we i get your point i get your point no i mean like yes i get would you he's more facilities here but he is i get what was he signed
01:03:06
Speaker
Well, what do you mean, like position-wise? He was signed to be our striker, right? He was signed to be as a... He was signed as a nine. He wears the number nine. No, he was he was believed to be ah the next up-and-coming striker for this team.
01:03:23
Speaker
That is not only an indictment on our ability to honestly... like find attacking talent because we didn't realize what he actually was when we bought him.
01:03:40
Speaker
But also we, we decided, you know, that escalator thing that we did with Jordan, I bet that's going to work again for our favor work again in our favor. Absolutely.
01:03:52
Speaker
Well, Johnny, good stuff, man. It's a, trying times out here, but we appreciate you tapping in. And you yeah yeah, one more take? One more take? One last thing.
01:04:03
Speaker
Yeah. um I think the message might have gone a little stale from Brian. I mean, I don't know if you guys watched that hype video and got the same viewpoint I did out of it.
01:04:17
Speaker
But it honestly seemed like a bunch of the players when they said, oh, yeah, Portland, what's good about them? Just like jokingly. Oh, yeah, nothing, nothing. Nothing's bad about Portland. Nothing's bad about Portland. They do not give a flying fuck about this rivalry.
01:04:32
Speaker
It's hard to argue that right now. I know that Schmetzer hates Portland. It does not seem like this team actually fucking cares about this rivalry at all. And I get that some of these players are from Seattle. It does not seem like they actually fucking cared that this game should have been one of the most important games of the season coming back off the World Cup straight back into Seattle after. Like, I know that we didn't know that U.S. was going play here.
01:05:06
Speaker
There was a lot of momentum in the city going for soccer. Yep. Yeah. val how much much is better How much of that do you think is left right now?
01:05:19
Speaker
That was a packed stadium, by the way, who was the second in minute at the 62nd minute. We're walking out.
01:05:30
Speaker
Joke. Absolute joke. This was not supposed to be empty tonight.
01:05:37
Speaker
The sounders did this to me. What a way to end it, Gianni. We love you, Gianni. We'll catch you the next one, brother. Godspeed. Cheers.
01:05:47
Speaker
All right. I'm kicking him. All right, we got an extra spot open. Someone get in there. that we We know that a bunch of people are trying to get in the stew right now. It's open again. There's only 10 people at a time. Hit those super chats. buy more space. Jesus, you are up next. He's got the thumb up. so All right, I'm getting Jesus on here.
01:06:06
Speaker
What is up? I'm going to be listening while I'm in the bathroom. Don't you worry. All right. Talk to me. What do think? How you feeling?
01:06:19
Speaker
ah I have never felt this disappointed and sad since I think when the Seahawks lost to the Steelers back in 2022 or 2023. Oh, this felt like that shit. This felt like that shit. Yeah. And then just like when as soon as I saw the hype video when it was in all what's good about Portland, I knew they did not give an absolute fuck about the rivalry. And honestly, like it just gave me a sense of deja vu from like 2016.
01:06:47
Speaker
Mind you, I've been a fan of this team since 2009, and I have never felt more disappointed than ever. And I was even thinking in my head, like, where where are the signings? Where's the Loderos?
01:06:59
Speaker
Where's um the Obafemi Martinez? Where are all of them at? like why do this close Why do you think that is about like why the team can't seem to get up for this rivalry? Because I can't like fathom that in my mind. like you know I don't play in these games, but like even going to the stadium today, i was juiced. Seattle-Portland, the history, the rivalry. I wrote about it all week. I was interviewing people. And then like for them to just not be locked like that, can't...
01:07:27
Speaker
i can't like I can't square that in my mind how you could not be up for a game like this. Honestly, i don't know. I feel like the Seahawks and 49ers rivalry, the Seahawks have more hatred than the Sounders have hatred for Portland. And mind you, um Portland loves to talk a lot of shit. And I've been to Portland for the airport. Mind you, that airport sucks.
01:07:50
Speaker
It's a beautiful airport. The only good thing a beautiful about Portland is their damn airport. But their team sucks. Well, yeah, their team is not is not good, but they're always up for the Seattle games. You can you have to give them that. like they're never yeah They are never going to come into a Seattle game with the type of mindset mentality that Seattle came into that game tonight. Never. You will never see that. It doesn't even matter who's coaching. and It's just implicit. you know it's in It's in their DNA. thought that How is that not in Seattle's DNA?
01:08:19
Speaker
I don't know. Honestly, that new coach, like Phil Neville, I'm a United fan. And I'm sorry to say this, Phil Neville hold that team back dearly, really bad. I went to last year's Derby. um It was in October in Seattle.
01:08:33
Speaker
Pedro de la Vega scoring in the 16th minute. And it was a really fun game and just not seeing him play, seeing him just injured. The whole roster at this point is just like they're just aging. It reminds me when Russell Wilson had to carry that aging roster in 2021 before he got shipped to Denver.
01:08:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good point, man. Well, Jesus, I mean, what do you think? where where do you ah Where do we go from here? Like, what's the what's the path forward? Like, do you have to blow it up like Gianni was saying? or give us give us one last take on ah how you're feeling going forward before we get – we got to get Caleb here next.
01:09:15
Speaker
Honestly, i don't know what's next for this team. um i really, really miss going to Seattle. Couldn't go to any World Cup games. But the thing is, is just blow it up. Blow it up. it's It's the same stuff. um Everybody on the team's past their prime. We need new stars up. Like, honestly, we need new stars up. It's...
01:09:33
Speaker
We had the same stars. Just seeing Jordan Morris out there, and I'm a Jordan Morris fan, and seeing him just play like that hurt. It was one of the most like sad parts of being a Jordan Morris fan. And I have his Funko Pop up there, and it it sucked.
01:09:49
Speaker
Honestly, his Funko Pop might be playing better than him right now. Yeah. Yeah. I could put in the Funko Pop and you could still bag a hat trick. Yeah, bro. Exactly. Just toss him out there, set him on the 18-yard box and see what we can do. Start passing in the Jordan Morris Funko Pop, bro.
01:10:04
Speaker
Yeah. Might as well go play some FIFA right now and do my my best impression of career mode. Yeah, you got to do the blow off some steam thing where you go and you put it on easy mode and you play against the Timbers and then you score like 40 goals against him.
01:10:19
Speaker
I'll probably score 15 goals against the Timbers. Might as well. Even as a Barcelona fan, going to have to continue to that. But I still love the Sounders and Sounders for life.
01:10:32
Speaker
There we go. Well, Jesus, thank you. We're going to go and
Caleb's Critique of Management
01:10:35
Speaker
bring on our man Caleb now, but ah we'll talk to you soon. Great call, Jesus. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. sorry All right. Let's get Caleb in here Let's get him in here. Caleb! Caleb, he has got the De La Vega drum set.
01:10:50
Speaker
He is tapping in. The Sounders just lost 5-1 to the Portland Timbies at Lumen Field. Caleb, take it away, man. What ah what do you think? Well, ladies and gentlemen, like as we always keep doing this as a tradition, if you have not yet liked, shared, and subscribed to this video, please do so now and share and get your yeah get Get your subscriptions into QED Coffee because Monday night Monday's show with Nico and Ari is going to be an exquisite one. i can tell.
01:11:26
Speaker
um my adding dead and like the video, share, comment, and subscribe. 747 of you degenerates watching. There better be that many likes on this video. We never do two beers in one show, but you know what? doing two beers in one show. ah Caleb, what do you I mean, where do you even want to Where do you want to start, man? I know you got takes. You just take it wherever you want.
01:11:51
Speaker
Well, I keep saying this... and i'm gonna say this like what like before i was rudely interrupted by the technical difficulties back when there was a loss at a certain place here in salt lake called america first field cook
01:12:18
Speaker
with the loss of that that was already a warning to show that we were not ambitious and I yelled it and I keep saying it we have given Garth asylum We have given Craig asylum.
01:12:36
Speaker
We have given Freddy Juarez asylum. We've given Danny Mussofsky asylum. We've given Albert asylum.
01:12:47
Speaker
At one, what place, Ari and Noah, has they came from from that asylum that we've granted their asylum and stamped their approval to become Cascadians?
01:12:58
Speaker
Real Salt Lake. Real Salt Madrid. Thank you. And i keep saying it, which every sounder fan, I have been waiting for this day for it to absolutely bash us in the fucking skull because it is absolutely atrocious that I keep saying that we are RSL 2.0 and can remember when you both said it, can we say it?
01:13:27
Speaker
12 years of former RSL general management. Can we say that? 12 years. 12 years. Shout out to the 12. Shout out to the 12. 12 years of RSL.
01:13:41
Speaker
Not general management, but mid-management. So so may I ask you, gentlemen, how does it feel now to have 12 years of RSL general management infiltrate the treason, the Palpatine of Garth, which I'm being very nice still. I'm being very G rated, which, you know, I can which I can really up it up, but I'm not.
01:14:07
Speaker
I'm just saying like, yeah, now you see the Palpatine are. Will you wheel and will you yield and say that I was right and that you were wrong? Emperor Palpatine, you cooked.
01:14:23
Speaker
Yeah, man, we're getting cooked by James and Caleb, but we deserve it. I've said this, that we have been RSL 2.0, and now I ask you both, how does it feel for this RSL 2.0? Has this showed enough? are are are we still are we start Are we Seattle Sounders, or are we still RSL 2.0?
01:14:43
Speaker
I mean, i will i'll so I'll say that you know there were parts of the RSL era that I did enjoy. They won some trophies off it. They did, yeah. A couple rings. If I'm defending myself, I would point to that.
01:14:56
Speaker
But, I mean, you know, you're cooking. You are cooking. I have said this. ands and Oh, okay. okay yes Yes, yes, yes. You said it. you Go ahead. go ahead After this game, you know. It's all fair It's all fair game. It's all on the plate. it's on you've You've dished it up. You've served it to us. And you're like, let me know how it tastes. And so, you know.
01:15:19
Speaker
From my first episode from when we had that Danny Mussofsky win against FC Dallas, and I made my personal contact of my first ever appearance on this grand performance stage of a show, that I've said, what you see now is the five years of what those former ah RSL acquisitions was doing here.
01:15:49
Speaker
absolute cook your full screen caleb keep cooking i have said that since the first episode i have aired on lobbing scorchers and the fans yes i know the fans they was ah like i give the fans i give you fans the greatest achievement of trying to forgive being the sea holding the seattle emblem of element and integrity that you all have that i give the grandest praise to and that's what made me believe in this club since day one but now it is time to grow up because this is never is not enough anymore we have literally have been this ah rsl 2.0 shadow that is why we've won champions league because of this ah rsl 2.0 shadow that is why we have this so-called the garth ambition was because he left Can we just please move on? i promise you, once we move past this ah RSL wave, we will thrive in the best way. I promise you for the children and the children's children and the children's children's children's children's children's children's future for this goddamn Crest of Cascadia that I love.
01:17:09
Speaker
please for the democracy and the power that you have in the sport, you have the power to vote this. Now it is all on you. Cascadia. I yield my time and back to the platform of ari and Noah, like, share, and subscribe.
01:17:27
Speaker
I mean, cinema, i that was, I think that you literally are getting a standing ovation. from From everyone in the in the below us here.
01:17:38
Speaker
Wow. Absolute fire as always, Caleb. I mean, I think we can get in here on that. We let you absolutely full screen there and and hit the start of the campaign of the ah Craig Weibel GM vote. We will continue to follow that. And Caleb, appreciate you can you rock, dude.
01:17:58
Speaker
Thank you. Good seeing you, dude. All right. Oh, now we got Kenny in here. Man, honestly, terrible L. Incredible call queue. Incredible call queue. We got some more space open now.
01:18:10
Speaker
Jump in the queue if you want to jump in the we're getting everyone in this. Oh, we're not stopping this damn live stream until we talk to every single person. We are not stopping this stream. I don't give a fuck that it's Thursday night. Who cares? Thursday. Let's hit these super chats really quick. Um...
01:18:29
Speaker
We had $5 from Azarada. Thank you so much for the $5. And we got ah OPT Athletic Club with the $5. As an Atlanta United fan, I preemptively share y'all's pain. Hang in there. ah ah We have Atlanta United fans feeling bad. ah I can't deal with that, man. I can't deal with Atlanta United. This comment hurts worse than anything. Than the loss.
01:18:54
Speaker
Being like, oh bro, don't worry. You're you're with us now. You're with us now. And it's an Atlanta United fan. And he's right. And he's right. And he's right. ah And he's right. No, no, no, no, no. And Hunch with the 10 gifted memberships. Dude, you rock. Thank you, Hunch. I can't wait to get Hunch in here. We gotta got to get Kenny in here. Kenny, you are muted, but make sure you unmute your mic. Unmute your mic, Kenny. What's up, boy? Welcome to the stream. Kenny. Oh, my God. Talk to us, brother. but We did.
01:19:26
Speaker
to Look, I got to eat the crow, man. i was anti-brigade. i mean, I love I love the production, you know, but I mean, and Jesus beat me to my take. um This feels like, you know, late stage Pete Carrollism, right? Carrollism.
01:19:48
Speaker
um I don't want to like put that on on like them and on Schmeck yet, but like it's vibes. Okay, but who Gino in this situation? Gino Jordan Morris? Yeah. because we're i mean Russell Wilson is already gone. Nico is already gone. And his replacement is here.
01:20:08
Speaker
Anyway, that's not really important. Oh, my gosh. I was happy with Resnex production, and people were telling us he's about to fall off of a cliff once the penalties dry up. Well, people have been saying he's been bad the whole time, which I would still argue, even in spite of tonight, that that is not true. But me saying that holds no water right now. I have nothing to say. For the team, it's just so inconsistent. It's like, I don't know what they're going to put out next week. We might win 3-0 on the—what are we playing? Austin? I think we're on the road a lot. Yeah, we're on the road Austin. It's Austin, Philly, and then Portland, and then League Cup all at home. Oh, my God. They have to go to fucking Toluca. have to go to fucking Toluca. Oh.
01:20:53
Speaker
tallluka Can we, like, plan a watch-along for that game so can all just deal with that together? I just don't know what this team's going to give us each week. It feels like before the World Cup break, we were like, oh, God, we're we're miserable. We just lost to one of the worst – or we just drew one of the worst teams in you know, terrible fashion. and then the next week we're like, oh, my God, are we back? It was like, you know, a multi-goal victory finally.
01:21:19
Speaker
um so I just don't know what we're getting each week, and maybe that's because of the – The lack of depth, we shipped out all our young depth, basically. Oh, Cody Baker.
01:21:30
Speaker
Cody Baker, come Okay, you wanna hear one of my other ah old takes that hasn't aged well? I said once that I believe Cody Baker could one day captain the Sounders because of his heart and his passion for the club. Hey, you know what, man? Like, I understand what they're getting at with these selling all the the homegrown guys.
01:21:50
Speaker
But, like, when you so when you keep shipping on, like, guys like RBW and Cody Baker who grew up here and fight and bleed for the badge, maybe that's part of why you go into these Portland games and there's guys out there that look like they just, like, don't care. Yeah.
01:22:07
Speaker
And then James has won me over. James James has won me over. James Cook. We've sold those guys to make room for Paul Areola and Hosani Dotson. Where's Paul Areola, by the way? He played. He played.
01:22:23
Speaker
What's he up to? I thought he was going to do something this season. Man, he looks so sick against the Vancouver Whitecaps and CONCACAF Champions Cup. Remember? Remember? He looked so good. Dreaming from the car after Vancouver CCC where we thought this team was the was the just greatest man. Take that. felt like it literally a year ago. Take me back to Canada in the car.
01:22:44
Speaker
Country road. Yeah, yeah that was the that was a great drive along. um But then you look today, we had 16 outfield players suited up.
01:22:56
Speaker
And some of those were Yusuke Nome and Pete Kingston. All respect to them. Maybe they should have fucking seen the field, I guess. He did, and Pete played well. Pete cares. Pete cares. Oh, yeah, Pete did come in.
01:23:09
Speaker
Well, um and then we have seven people out too. I mean, I've defended the medical staff a lot, the training staff, and Brian says we got the best strength and conditioning in the league. And it's like, you know, Brian knows better than me what who he's working with, right? But, um you know, after a six-week break that's freaking crazy, you know, fuck the Portland Timbers. Let's go beat the shit out of them and...
01:23:36
Speaker
on August 1st, it's coming up real quick boys. God. Anyway. oh my God. you have to play him again in two weeks. Two weeks, basically, yes. Death would be preferable to this. this stuff with Death is... Let's go slaughter. Hey, hey, guys. They had a new coach bounce.
01:23:54
Speaker
They had a new coach bounce and all that. They don't even have a coach. He's not even their coach. He's just a guy. Hey, he's something right. Jesus Christ. He sounds like a detective from a 1950s film noir movie. Yeah, like...
01:24:10
Speaker
And he just, oh my God. Anyway, Kenny, give us one more take and then we'll we'll get Jake in here. One more take. um
01:24:20
Speaker
I don't have any fucking takes. let's get some Let's get some reinforcements in here. Oh, yeah, yeah, I got a take. um Go ahead and vote Craig Weibel out if you want. I don't think ownership would even fucking honor that vote.
01:24:33
Speaker
Why would they? We were just talking about this. Okay, you hit your take while Kenny's still on here because I think he'll appreciate this bit. Well, we were... and We were talking about that vote like on our walk over to the studio from the stadium, which we left early. we were like i was say i was saying, like, man, like... We are fake fans. We're fake fans. We left early. When it's 4-1 in the 78th, I don't give a shit. like yeah we Like, they were taking up a free kick to about to score it, and we were like, does it even matter if it goes in? Like, no. No. Let's just go to the studio. We can rip the show immediately. Yeah. ah But we were talking about the vote and I was saying like, I don't think that he would ever lose. Before the game, I was thinking about it and I was like, I don't think he would ever lose that unless the results got so bad. They would have to be so much worse than they are now. But what we were talking about was like, dude, they literally, he could lose that vote and they could just not tell anyone who's going verify the results. Stop the steal. We got to protect the integrity of our elections. need protect integrity of our elections.
01:25:31
Speaker
Okay, this January, I have a plan. We're all going to storm Long Acres. This is what I was getting at, Kenny. going to Long Acres. We will storm Long Acres for the integrity long acre of our club and our country. Mike, if Mike Pence has the courage. No, no, no, no, no.
01:25:51
Speaker
No, that the Michael Jordan meme. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Atlanta was grouping us in. I was like, we no, no, no, no. He has the courage. Let me get out of here. Bye-bye.
01:26:05
Speaker
Uh, he's, done he's gone. Kenny's out. Kenny just dips. He's out on the Capitol. That was fire. That was good. We did just get $50 donation. From who?
01:26:16
Speaker
Uh, Belly Boy Brady. Bell Boy Brady. Not belly. I'm so sorry. Bell Boy Brady. Thank you for the 50 boner. Oh, skis. heart. Appreciate you. Love the show. Keep cooking, boys. Thank you so We love you for that, brother. That's going to pay for our Motel 6 for the away trip to Portland. And we also got a $1.99 bomb to Can My Sound or Heart subscription go to Caleb? I will see what we can do with that. Don't you worry. We'll see if we can get him a donation there. Jake, you are in the car. You look like you're safe, though. You're operating on the road. You gave me a thumbs up. We're going to let you on. Just keep your eyes on the road, all right? If becomes clear that you are... Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're okay. You're good. All right. Here we go.
01:27:02
Speaker
Jake, hello. Yo, what up? How are we feeling? ah I mean, i feel a little bit better than I did when we had over 1,500 days of drought between championships.
01:27:17
Speaker
I think there was a big period of time where we weren't winning any games and today fucking sucked. But I like this in a bully ball. Masaze Di Rosario is a bully ball player and I'd love to see him the field tonight.
01:27:33
Speaker
I mean, i was interested, you know, there was a conversation in the press box because about 15 minutes in Ari was like, yeah, I'm going to need some moose in this game. Let's see moose right now. And we kind of went back and forth like, is this a Dave Rosario game? Is this a moose game?
01:27:49
Speaker
um I don't know. I feel like I'm... I don't know. I like Darrow, but it's like, it hasn't really hit. So I don't know. The offense was just so bad. It was just so bad. Like, I don't even think like bully ball would have.
01:28:06
Speaker
I mean, Osase was out there at the end. Like he and Moose were, is I don't even know. I like it. Just keep cooking. i keep it up Yeah. yeah I'm just trying to look for some positives because there was few and far between. I'm pulling up our biggest drought in all of our club history as like the low point compared tonight.
01:28:26
Speaker
you know, fully ball with Osaza was a high point. Kalani Cotarianzi was a high point. Snyder Brunel, who didn't have an excellent game, played with X-Doc. Like, those were some guys I love seeing out there.
01:28:42
Speaker
game was fucking terrible, though. No, but it was fucking awful. I mean, I mean, I guess we got to see Stu Hawkins play, which apparently Georgie was really excited about and posted an Instagram story hyping up. He's living his best life on the Colorado Rapids. He's like, i don't even want to on. I don't fuck i want to be on y'all's team anymore. god I'm in Denver. I'm in Denver chilling. It's great. Commerce city. Sorry.
01:29:10
Speaker
Okay, so the other thing, though, we have, like, I think fewer players. I don't know if this is a fact or not, but fewer players than Kansas City started with this year. So I can't imagine we go into this transfer window without signing at least a player. Imagine it. Imagine You can imagine, but also that player may play in the USL.
01:29:35
Speaker
Like, that player might be Mark Bronick.
01:29:40
Speaker
like Like that player might be um ah Cody Phoenix because Cody Phoenix is the next left back on the fucking depth chart.
01:29:50
Speaker
So yeah if you deplete the whole depth chart, the next player that you sign has to compete. So forty chess by Craig Weibel right there. no but yeah, you think about it, they know the system, but they're going to be hungry. And yeah, we really like what we see. Yeah.
01:30:08
Speaker
Yeah. Jake, we have a good idea of a potential signing. Jake, I want to get your reaction to this. Free Leo Chu. Leo Chu is not currently playing in Brazil. Could he be an option in a U-22 slot? Bring him back.
01:30:25
Speaker
Bring back Leo Chu. mean, I wasn't like a hater on Leo Chu. I felt like he was fine. He got a lot of hate. He scored some goals about against Kansas city, which we didn't do this year. That would have been nice or at least, you know, got in the assist to get the goals. So i yeah, i mean, why not bring Leo to back?
01:30:45
Speaker
How, what the hell at this point, who cares? But ah any last, ah any last takes here, Jake, I want to make sure you're, you're on the road safely. Oh, yeah. We're good. You're keeping me awake. I've got keep driving to Bellingham. So here we go. Sweet.
01:31:00
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Shout out. That's where I went to college.
01:31:04
Speaker
All right. Sweet. All right. We appreciate it Jake. And we will talk to you soon, my friend. We got Hunch up next. We got to get the Hunch call in. We got Hunch and then we... Oh, my God. We got like five other people after that. don't worry, guys. We're going to continue on. We are keeping it rolling. If you are in the queue, you are getting on the show. There's no question about it. So if you guys want to keep tapping in, keep tapping in. But let's get Hunch in here. We got to get Hunch in here.
01:31:30
Speaker
Hunch. Hey. Talk to me, brother. The Seattle Sounders just took arguably the worst loss in the history of the club. I got hear what you thought. Why are we getting, okay, I'm sorry, hunch before this, why are we getting hated on by the ah RSL bros podcast where they said beating Portland at home isn't for everyone. And then it's real Salt Lake beating Portland. How are we catching fucking strays? That's where we're sell where we're at. What is happening? We deserve it.
01:31:58
Speaker
This like the deserve fucking game is gone. Oh, so the defiance could have done better than that. Honestly. Yeah. Straight up. Honestly, straight up straight they would have played harder. In fact, they fucking did. They fucking did in the U S open cup.
01:32:14
Speaker
they wanted They almost beat that. Oh my God. Yep. That is the worst loss. That's the worst performance I've ever seen in this team. And yeah I, I, I've been like trying to hedge that and be like, i don't want to be a hyperbolic, but that was no question. Regis. yeah I was at the red card wedding.
01:32:34
Speaker
Same. I, uh, I saw the SKC that got, uh, Ziggy fired. Yep. Same. This is worse than that. du It's worse. Okay. So I agree, but like, say why.
01:32:50
Speaker
I mean, BS said it the best. No smarts, his words. No energy, no urgency.
01:33:02
Speaker
But whose fault is that? Right. Whose fault is that? Is that the players? did it Do they not know better? they not know to go out and play with energy? That's what I can't wrap my mind around, man. It's not that you lost the game. It's not that you lost the game.
01:33:19
Speaker
it's that you lost the game that badly, but also with such an egregious and obvious lack of, when you concede three goals in seven minutes, that's not a talent issue. yeah That is not ah like in ability issue. That is a mindset issue. That is, your your your head is somewhere else other than the field, other than the game. And for that to happen in a Derby match against your biggest rival coming off the world cup,
01:33:47
Speaker
What the? They didn't have six weeks to prepare for this. ari You got to understand. i would have been you this was like you hundred we three This is three games in seven.
01:33:58
Speaker
Oh, no, wait. say Hang on. Let's check the calendar. Oh, wait. We did have six weeks off. Oh, but it wasn't at home. Wait, it wasn't home. Okay. Well, I mean.
01:34:11
Speaker
and It was on grass though. It was on grass. Yeah, the turf. It was the turf. me tell you. I don't know if you guys heard, but Mauricio Pochettino called Christian and he said, listen, I know we got embarrassed in Seattle, but I'm sorry for what you just had to witness because holy shit.
01:34:32
Speaker
Hunch, Chad is asking for your cat to give it to him. Yeah, let the cat see. The cat. Can we get the cat on the mic? Get the cat on the mic. I've tried to stop her. No, no, no. We want her on the mic. We want her on the mic.
01:34:48
Speaker
I've convinced her. Okay, okay. not Positives, negatives. You want a positive? Yeah, sure. No. I'll give you a positive.
01:34:59
Speaker
At least we haven't lost 7-0 at home, motherfuckers. That's true. Take that. Another positive. That's good cup. I like Another positive.
01:35:12
Speaker
The amount of gam and tam that the Sounders have after transferring Cody Baker. Yeah, at least they got the war chest. Got the war chest. Cody 32 or something. Come on. do you think there's a chance that this actually has check out this cope guys? Okay. Yeah. You guys think there's a chance that this actually has a positive effect because, cause Hanauer and the powers that be look at this and they're like, yo, like all the money balls, chest thumping we've been doing kind of looks bad right now. I think we got to actually do some shit. Do you think there's anything to that?
01:35:44
Speaker
No, zero. so None. and And here's the thing. but let Let me first go to James. Yeah, I, I get what James has to represent.
01:35:58
Speaker
And I wish to subscribe to his newsletter. But my perspective was I was excited about Resnack when he joined, which, by the way, his name is pronounced Resnack, not Rusnack. And not that I'm on Twitter anymore, but you could look up the fight that I got into with Taylor Twelman,
01:36:19
Speaker
the PR representative from MLS, ah James, the announcer from the yeah Seattle Sounders in stadium and myself where I provided evidence that is past to character that I would not like to be involved in a Twitter argument with. for what no this was years ago where I proved my case. Okay. Yeah.
01:36:40
Speaker
We're not there. he would say This could be a recent blue sky interaction. and not be tell we go twitter con down This is like at least two plus years ago where Taylor came back at me for mispronouncing his name. And then I provided a clip of him pronouncing his own name in a press conference. And then the MLS PR, it doesn't matter.
01:37:00
Speaker
ah i I was a fan. I thought Russ Neck was the great... like He was a good foot a great fit for us when we brought him in. And I was on board. And even when he got signed DP, I was like, okay, fine.
01:37:13
Speaker
He's been a good DP. No, no, no. He has not been a good DP. He's been a good player. And what I would love to see from any journalistic outlet that we possibly could, you know,
01:37:29
Speaker
encourage is a comparison of his position versus all the other positions dp and non-dp but especially dp across the league statistically and then look at what they get paid for their stats versus what he gets paid. My point does not go with that at this at this time.
01:37:51
Speaker
But presently, and for the last year and a half, and especially if you take out PKs, he has not performed at a DP level. He just hasn't. And if he has, and people want to still be on that side, well, look at what the team did tonight.
01:38:06
Speaker
And if he truly is that valuable, get something for him and get the pieces in place that we need to fix this. So either he is the answer and the performer at that level and can dig us out of this, or he's that valuable and we can move him, free up a DP slot and fix this team. Now, here's what I'll say in addition to that.
01:38:32
Speaker
Look at the trend. Look at the trend from the beginning year to now. And i wish I could have spoken on the USMNT previously. Real quick, from the start of the World Cup to where the USMNT ended, Bosnia notwithstanding, they trended downward every single match.
01:38:53
Speaker
Their performance was less and less and less and less and less. They did not face adversity. They did not get better. The Sounders went on the road, and we would have thought, okay, you know they're going to be born to the flame. Iron sharpens iron, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah They're going to get it done in road matches and be better and come home and get the upswing.
01:39:16
Speaker
The opposite has been true. Why is that? We talk about the depth of this team. We beat
01:39:26
Speaker
Austin But the youngest roster in the in the history to face the field away. How can you not manage to not get five goals against you against your most hated rival with six week lead time after they fired their coach?
01:39:45
Speaker
Like, what is going on? This is a failure across multiple levels. ah Multiple levels. And I'm not saying fire whoever. i have been on the assistant's coach for a while. I'll be honest. I think the assistant coach bench is sycophantic towards the head coach.
01:40:03
Speaker
Wow. Cook more. No, yeah. I think they are more reliant on appeasing the head coach than they are making their...
01:40:15
Speaker
um opinion slash perspective represented. And if you want to go back, you can look at Traore and Pineda, who did not care about that because they always knew their careers were going to expand further. And their careers were on, from a coaching perspective, the upswing, which looking at where they've gone and what they've done, you could argue that's true.
01:40:39
Speaker
The coaches on the bench here are either set for retirement or more concerned about staying on the bench than they are about bringing their perspective to the room as it relates to strategic ah initiative in terms of we need to focus more on making some of our players more dangerous with ah goal scoring opportunities or...
01:41:05
Speaker
From the perspective of at halftime saying like this person is not getting it done or I I I advocated for this or this or this and it's not working But I think they're too timid and when you have a head coach go to be your assistant coach You can argue invariably that they're sitting there waiting for their next opportunity and they're not gonna upset the apple cart Furthermore I predicted and it's true Before Rustic took his free kick into the box. I was like, he's going to kick this ball out of bounds and no one's going to touch it.
01:41:37
Speaker
What did he do? Yeah, I remember that one. Six weeks. You have six weeks. You can't come up with a play. Get the fuck out of here. I swear to God. i I have left a couple games before they ended. And usually they're PKs after the Portland game.
01:41:59
Speaker
MLS playoffs. I stayed for that one, then we lost. And I was like, okay I'm not staying for PKs anymore. I'm just not because it's it's a toss-up and it's fine. If we win, great. If not, I'm just not to sit here and torture myself.
01:42:09
Speaker
I left this game early. It's the first time I've ever done it. I left it early. That's the worst loss. Yeah. No, I mean...
01:42:19
Speaker
It's the most, if it's not the worst loss, it's the most embarrassing and most consequential loss. Like, I think i think that's the truth. Like, maybe maybe not You have all of the momentum.
01:42:34
Speaker
You have all of the momentum from the summer of soccer, the entire city of Seattle being highlighted as the best venue. You bring out all of these players, packed, sold out, Lumenfield, maybe not the upper tiers, but you know the bottom deck, it's looking great.
01:42:52
Speaker
running promotions, getting people out there. And this is the fucking way that you thank Seattle for showing how much they love soccer, man. Fuck that. I predicted at halftime.
01:43:04
Speaker
I, and you again, check the list guy. What I said was if I was the person in charge of making substitutions at the half, I would pull half these people off the field in favor of youth for people who actually wanted to go out there and fight.
01:43:17
Speaker
And not because I expected a different result. We were already on one nothing. And at that point, I expected to lose, me, myself. And even then, if I was a coach, I would be consequences be damned i'm gonna put people out there who want to fight this other team and i don't mean physically like yo red carl i want them to fight physically you're telling me 5-1 and we didn't even get one brawl what the fuck is this dig the passion is gone from this rivalry by the 65th minute they had more corners than we had shots Yeah.
01:43:47
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Yeah. Hunch, I don't want to cut you off, but like, fine do we do like, give us, give us like your, your final, your final. This is embarrassing. This needs to be a shake up top to bottom.
01:44:00
Speaker
The ownership will not do that. um may i expect I don't know. After this man, they're like public perception that it's at some point. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
01:44:12
Speaker
I've said for a long time, as far as Morris goes, his best attribute was the speed. And they never, they failed. And I don't blame Jordan for this. I blame all of the staff over all the years.
01:44:25
Speaker
They did not press him to develop a skill set outside of just run fast over the top. And that has a half-life. He was never going to be able to sustain that. And we're seeing that in real time.
01:44:39
Speaker
He cannot continue as a DP. There's no question about that. i don' yeah somebody We need somebody who's lethal there. You want to try and discourse about that? There's just, like, not even a discussion. to Like, ah with Morris and De La Vega, it's like, you know, the situation is what it is. Like. I would bet, again, if that was a journalistic institution, I would look at the last three or four years and compare the DPs of time games played versus not. And I would bet you we have paid for more not played games across all our DPs than played games across the three of Exactly. And that's honestly, that is such a huge issue right there. Like they have been able, honestly, credit to them. They've been able to paper over that and get by that and money ball around that for a long ass time. And my argument for a long ass time has been like, all right, well, yeah, is it ideal to play with one DP at all times?
01:45:28
Speaker
No, but they still win. They still took down messy in a cup final. They still have 37 fucking trophies since 2016. So like, who am I to question in that case? But so like, and I think there has been validity to that perspective for a while, but you see a game like that and that starts being less tenable, man. It just does. Well, you took down Messi because you had one of your DPs who basically contributed to Puska to destroy the CCL tournament. He literally went God mode the entire tournament and won MVP. Yeah. yeah And he doesn't play other than that.
01:46:00
Speaker
No. and and And to be honest, the majority of teams that are not LA, New York City, or Miami really only operate with two. We can't get away with one and a half.
01:46:12
Speaker
no Yeah. All right. We appreciate you calling hunch and we will definitely see you soon. Thanks for calling in. Thank you, brother. We got Tyler next. Then we got Maverick, Timbo, Manu and Nat. And then that might be it. We'll see. Yeah. But, uh, let's get Tyler in here right now. He's got the brick wall background. He is ready to absolutely cook.
01:46:31
Speaker
Tyler. What's up, man? I dropped the league championship, uh, leagues cup background. Cause it's been, uh, it's little dark, a little dark today. Yeah. Yeah. yeah It's a good good year for me to quit drinking while i'm watching Sounders games. Oh, yeah. That was ah that was a poor choice. We're gonna but theses we're just going to. I mean, you got you guys go at it. my I think my question for you guys, just to kind of kick it off, a lot of good takes from everybody on the calls, lots of anger, obviously, which is understandable and totally reasonable. I think my question for you guys is who...
01:47:06
Speaker
looking at the Sounders roster the way it is right now, who is interesting to you on the Sounders roster? Who's interesting to you? Man, see, that is actually such a good way of framing it because there's the talent and the ability question, and then you can say, oh, well, he's not durable, but he's so talented like De La Vega. Who is interesting? Who actually is like, I'm going to pay money to go watch that guy every week. There was the Laderos and the Ruiz Diaz's of years past you could say that about. Who can you say that about right now? I honestly think you could say that about Jordan Morris at one point. I think as recently as last year, went healthy, like, like when healthy, like I, you could say that about the team because they were performing at such a high level, man. Right now, my answer for that to that question is Paul Roth, Ross Snyder Brunel. Yeah. And that's like, I mean, I, am I missing anyone obvious? I'd say De La Vega, but it's only interesting. Cause it's like, I'm interested in if he can actually stay on field. Yeah. It's real love Island with De La Vega. It's Yes. But no, like I love what you're getting at there because that's important, man. Like outside of like the footballing merits of it, the perception of it and like who do I like, who do I want to go watch and who do like casual fans want to go watch? There was answers to that question in past years that I don't know that they have right now.
01:48:34
Speaker
Yeah. So that's my larger point that I just kind of wanted to hammer into on this after really disappointing loss that i that genuinely, I think in years past, if situations were not quite what they are now, I think this could have cost someone their job for sure. i don't think you can take an L like this to a rival in that circumstance with all the preparation time, incredibly say i can lead this team, you know, for the second half of the season, which is not, doesn't, doesn't really sit with me, but I don't think that's goingnna happen. I don't think you're goingnna fire anybody. I don't think, I think the vote on Craig Weibel is going really interesting. Yeah. well so Can I, can I, can I pause you on that? Like, yeah what do you, what do you think about that? Like, cause I have been very of the mind. Like my, my take on that has been like, i think the idea that he could lose that vote is overblown because that vote
01:49:26
Speaker
I think people put stock in the vocal minority more than it actually has influence. Yeah. Right. Like the, uh, the idea that he could lose that vote to me, he would only ever lose that vote if the results were so bad that it dictated it. And to me, that's like for this team, like if you're down at 1.0, 1.2 points per game,
01:49:46
Speaker
maybe like one five with this team because the standards are a little higher but like they were at 1.8 points per game going into this game like who like what casual fan that does barely even knows who craig weibel is which that's most of the fan base who's gonna vote to like oust the gm when the team is at 1.8 points per game but then they go out and do that you know you could look at it one of two ways i think the voters self-select a little bit because the people who are voting tend to be the people that are a little bit more dialed in, I think, to the team because only like, true isn't the highest percentage something like 39% or something like that ever? Yeah.
01:50:22
Speaker
It's a very, I mean, it's a relatively small percentage. mean, Sounders have a ton of seat ticket holders, which is great, but it's a relatively small percentage. So i do think it self-selects for people that are paying a bit more attention than the average fan. Yeah. And and great point by Asa as well.
01:50:37
Speaker
It will be interesting. I think this is going to be one of those, like, it's kind of, well, I'm old. So Ross Perot as a third-party candidate, like, is there viability? I think we're going to start getting closer to that number with this vote unless...
01:50:50
Speaker
Here's my larger take. This is where I wanted to go with the interesting thing, and I want to get this out before getting sidetracked on the Weibel stuff. I think this is the this is a real pivot point for the Sounders. I think if they go and they take this result and they just demolish Austin next week, if they're like...
01:51:07
Speaker
just kick the ever-loving crap out of that team, I think people will be able to kind of write this off as an anomaly. Maybe there wasn't good mental preparation, but they're going to have to win 4-0 against Austin, I think, to erase this.
01:51:21
Speaker
And if they don't, if they tie, or if they don't score, if it's a zero zero draw, i think the momentum starts to get a little bit real behind yeah at least the fan base and the season and ticket holders who are really dialed in.
01:51:35
Speaker
Maybe they don't get to 60 percent, but will they get to 45 percent, an all time high of voters? And a majority of those voters are saying no confidence in Weibel. I do think that's a possibility. it It's a very real possibility. Here's the problem.
01:51:48
Speaker
They need 40 percent participation to remove him. right in the last In the last two votes in 2018, that vote which voted to retain, so it didn't matter. He was retained. which last vote,
01:52:10
Speaker
ah and ninety percent cast the vote of retention' not even close two yeah and there's more season ticket holders I would assume, today now, than there were before. Hearing those numbers makes me feel like, honestly, it would have to get like significantly worse than this for the participation to get to a point where he would actually lose that vote.
01:52:29
Speaker
Yeah, or or it has to get bad enough that people are going to campaign actively against it in a way, against him in a way that's going to be heard. But I do think what's working against us in terms of the front office, what's working against the front office right now,
01:52:43
Speaker
is that question of who is interesting on the team? Who are you going to watch play? And there is a narrative that's really easy to point to that says, okay, so what are your what have you done? You've had these four summer transfer windows where you haven't done anything. I'm going to put good money on it. That's going be five.
01:52:58
Speaker
I don't think Weibel said anything that makes me believe They're going to spend any money. There's been no accountability for the money that has been brought in through the transfers. It's not a lot of money, but there's money that came in from the club world cup. There's money that's coming through transfers. There's the money the league gives you every year. There's no accountability for any of that spending. We don't know what's happening, what's being considered. And I just want to like,
01:53:21
Speaker
Like Kevin Kelsey is a great example of a guy who is making less money than Hassani Dotson to to be a more interesting player by far than Hassani Dotson is. And I know they're different positions and it's not apples to oranges, but this is the fresh comparison. He makes less than Hassani Dotson. Oh my God. I didn't even know that. Yeah. Tyler, why'd you have to tell me that shit?
01:53:44
Speaker
And then the the last thing I'm going to say is for numbers, Diego Char is 40 years old. yeah I know you mentioned the thing about him catching ah Jordan Morris from behind from behind that happened in the game, but just so everyone's clear, Diego Chara is 40 years old, and he has about 37 million miles of MLS play on his body, including 80% of that being turf play. So i don't I don't know what the answer is there because I don't think you can buy out Jordan. I i think it's extremely optimistic to to say like, oh, well, he's going to take a
01:54:17
Speaker
got cut or like step away from the team or whatever. That's not going to happen. They would have to trade him somewhere. They have to trade him. They have transfer him, loan him. Something, something would have to happen for them to cost. And they're not going to do that because that was his salary.
01:54:31
Speaker
His salary is absorbent for the amount that he's dead weight on the books. It's not even that though. It's not even that though, man. Like I'm going have to do a whole different show about the only way that you can, there is one way you can do it. Call me for that one, by the way. you can Yes, you can do, there's one way you can do it. You can extend him.
01:54:49
Speaker
yeah I'm like, and I'm not even joking. It's the only way out of this. It's what we did with Rui Diaz. Guys, guys, we're taking really bad press. We just lost to the Timbs five to one. We're not signing anyone for a fifth straight summer. How do we solve this situation? that We extend Jordan Morris. It didn't stop them from doing it with Rui Diaz under a different front office though. That's literally what they did with Rui Diaz. They had to get the cap number down. They extended three years. Wasn't like a three-year extension or something? Yeah. That was crazy. The guy was washed when they... Turbo. He was cool. Turbo. Yeah. i like I fully expect them to extend Jordan Morris. Yeah.
01:55:24
Speaker
Honestly, at this point, support it for the bit. yeah feel like they have to do it. i feel like they have to Anyway. I mean, like, legitimately... I'm hoping... it's It's actually a positive thing if they do because like if he could ah he could essentially retire during that time and then like there's opportunities. anyway Strategically, it makes sense what you guys are saying. It's just the principle of it. The and press thing they would get for extended Jordan Morris would be fucking incredible. It would be so bad.
01:55:52
Speaker
Yeah, but I it's another point though and it's one I've raised before is that the communication currently with this front office to the season ticket holders and the fans has been atrocious and it continues to be atrocious and I just can a loss like this like help them realize, like, because I feel like what's happening is, like, they feel emboldened and entitled to do that because the results on the field are, good have been very good and they have a lot of trophies.
01:56:17
Speaker
Can something like this, like, be a catalyst? am Am I coping? Like, do you see what I'm saying? Well, I think you, your first, the first indication is that the answer's no, because Schmetzer only took five questions, and I was quite serious in saying I thought he should have been out there for an hour.
01:56:31
Speaker
I genuinely thought he should have sat there. Listen, I'm Genuinely, I feel like sometimes when there's a loss that bad, as ah as a reporter, there's um ah almost like no questions to ask that haven't been answered by the play itself. like But i think so I think that to an extent, sometimes you know people don't really ask those questions. But I was shocked. Seven minutes.
01:56:57
Speaker
Yeah, the comms guy cut it off, too. I was like... I forget his name. I've worked with him before. Alex. yeah Yeah, Alex. Alex is great, but he cut off the, he cut off the questioning. That was not a lack of questions available in the room. He was literally like, I'm glad you pointed that out. Great place to leave it. We're ending this now. i I don't think you can do that. I don't think you can pull the coach after seven minutes after you lay a giant turtle on the field. Like they did like that. You, there has to be accountability and it starts on such a small thing of,
01:57:26
Speaker
being willing to face the press of sending a player out to talk about the performance they did they they talked to Snyder Brunel for one minute and 30 seconds because I actually said i said there's no way they made Snyder Paul Rothrock and Snyder Brunel I said they were going to make Snyder Brunel go out and do it I said it in the game chat I said I bet ten dollars that they will send Snyder Bernal on. And that is... Actually, I'm going to be honest with you guys. like high power yeah I've been trying to keep it light all night because of how bad that was. That pisses me the fuck off. It's so infuriating. That pisses me the fuck off that they would send...
01:58:02
Speaker
The fuck did Snyder Brunel do to have any accountability? you should That's the one guy on the team that should be able to go home and not say anything. Jordan Morris can answer some fucking questions. I'm just scrolling the cap hits on the Sounders salary yeah the exact chart here. you know I don't see ah Snyder Brunel on here. I see a lot of other names on here, though, that didn't fucking show up. He's 18 years old.
01:58:24
Speaker
He should be a senior in high school. Also, it's his third time. It's his third time being sent out, by the way. yeah That's his third time. No, that's that day. And i will I will say on this topic, too, because this is a big pet peeve of mine. A lot of and MLS teams do this as a cop out because when their star players lay an egg and they don't want to talk about it, they send out the the young guns and the academy of kids to to take the slings and arrows for it. And it doesn't surprise me at all that they made Snyder do that.
01:58:49
Speaker
But like they like, honestly, man, if there's anything they they deserve to get cooked over more than anything, like that is it to me, man. It's also just said like the culture of the locker room and someone not being like, bro, no, I'll take I'll do it. Yes. I'll do it. Jordan Morris has been on this team for how long?
01:59:06
Speaker
He can't sit there and say, I'm fucking devastated that I got hurt. And it is partially my responsibility yeah that I wasn't able to convert. And now we're back in this position and I am i am devastated. I hate the Timbers. like You can't even do that. You have to pull Paul Rothrock, the one guy who actually gives a fuck about this. Who should also be able to shower go home after that game, by the way Yes, yeah yeah exactly. Yes. He was playing hard. He plays hard every single game. um Like he should get to get in his car and go home. He and Snyder shouldn't even be out there, man. Like but the dive was actually the best part of that. of the yeah yeah I was like, he still cares enough that I can try to do this marginal dark arts thing at 92 minutes into the game. And maybe we get something. Great point. Great point.
01:59:52
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's just, it's, it's sad. Anyway, so we were giving him, we were giving him shit for diving, but like, yeah, like, well, I wanted to do something. wanted to come back. You can't even send out Hassani fucking Dotson who scores of the goal. Yeah.
02:00:08
Speaker
First Sounders-Timbers rivalry game gets a first Sounders-Civil rivalry goal. At least you can steer it to be in the positive. There's at least questions to be had there. Fucking fucking so one minute and 20 second Snyder-Brunel press conference. Get the fuck out here. That's so bad, man. That's so bad. It's not acceptable. I mean, it's not. It's not acceptable. It's not.
02:00:30
Speaker
yeah ah Tyler, great call, man. Any last quick take you want dish out there before we get out to Mowin? I hope that this makes them makes make a move that's interesting. Give us a Tam guy. We've got money for a Tam guy. Don't tell me we don't have money for a Tam guy. We've got money for a Tam guy. yeah We can sign a fucking Tam guy. Get a Tam guy. Get ah Aravina, who scored the last goal for the Timbers. Great.
02:00:52
Speaker
Great example of a guy that we could literally get today. and have like five guys on the field where it's like, yeah, that's who an MLS team should be signing with these roster rules. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
02:01:03
Speaker
Well, Tyler, great stuff, man. doing more like you grab You brought some thought compelling stuff to the table there. So appreciate that. And ah we'll catch you on the next one. Appreciate you. brotherler We got Timbo and then Nat. Oh, hell yeah. We got Nat and then we got Valkyrie Maverick and then we got Brian and then that's it. So we said we committed to staying here until the whole queue was finished. That looks like the whole queue. But if you want to get in here, go ahead and tap still.
02:01:28
Speaker
Uh, I did have to say a hunch did, did give us a check in. The cat is still pissed off about the match and is talking about it Okay. Hell yeah. Hunches cat. Uh, all right. We got to get Timbo in here. We're getting the whole all-star Timbo and then Nat. Hell yeah. honestly can't wait for these two calls. Timbo, you are on the stage in the Seattle Sounders just embarrassed themselves five to one against their biggest rivals. What did you think of what we saw tonight?
02:01:51
Speaker
I actually, be honest you, enjoyed the last 90 minutes of the show compared to the 90 minutes I was in the the fucking stands. That's what we're here for. It's fucking the this this last two hours much, much better than the previous two hours. I will say this, though, for you, for you two fellows. I'm surprised you guys didn't leave at three. Oh, you fucking left a four. Oh, you cowards. What? I mean, you know, we i was zero I was able to stay. I was able to stay the entire god awful extra 10 minutes and still get back down to the South Sound.
02:02:23
Speaker
mean, I'm disappointed you boys tonight. I'm just going say that. Fair, fair. um You know what? And when that 3-0 happened, I'm next to ECS and we're chanting come on Seattle, fight and win.
02:02:36
Speaker
I don't give a... 3-0, I don't give a fuck about win anymore. I just want fight. Dignity. Just just fucking fight. Give me fight. Give me fight. and and And there were some people who did that tonight. I would say um Hassan Dawson did that tonight. I think Paul Rothrock did that tonight. I think Jose...
02:02:56
Speaker
You know, Day Road did that tonight.
02:03:00
Speaker
A few other people did that tonight. um I'd say Peter Kingston did that tonight. ah Yeah. I think, you know, Snyder Brunel. I think the guys who were in the fucking press conference fucking fought tonight.
02:03:12
Speaker
And fucking guys like... Jesus did not. Al did not. like and And I was going to get up and and defend Al because he's kind of, if if you trace it back enough, he's like my cousin in Czechoslovakia. But honestly, if you're a fucking DP guy. You fucking don't want to come up and answer some fucking questions. Like you've been with this team long enough. Can we just stay on that, man? Like, i don't want to like beat a dead horse, but now but actually we that is that is actually emblematic of a huge problem.
02:03:42
Speaker
It's a real problem in ah in the locker room now. i was At the start of this game, I was really excited about Captain Nuhu fucking running the show. i was like, oh, we're going to have a nice defensive performance tonight. How fucking wrong was I?
02:03:55
Speaker
I'd like Nuhu to ask answer some fun questions. He's been a part of this team long enough. He's been a part of the academy. He likes to take five ins
02:04:03
Speaker
questions. The fact that there's no one to step up in that situation and be like, you know what, man? like I might not feel like it's my fault. I might not want to do it. I might hate that I have to do it, but I need to to step up and be the one to do this. like i'm dude Dude, I'm sorry. When's the last time Jesus Ferrer had a press conference? I don't care who does I don't care if it's Jesus. I don't care if it's Albert. I don't care if it's Jordan. What what about Paul Arielle? Sending Snyder so something youre out there to do it.
02:04:32
Speaker
Sending Snyder out there to do it, man. I can't i can't with that. can't. I don't want to hear in a press conference from Peter Kingston Dino Lopez or fucking Snyder Brunel the rest of the goddamn fucking season period. I don't want to fucking hear from them. They're kids.
02:04:46
Speaker
Not the guys that need to be doing that. So I will say this about the press conference though. Paul Rothrock tonight reminded me of a player we've we haven't thought about in a long time by the name of Will fucking Bruin who fucking owned that shit and fucking said hey this shit's fucked up.
02:05:05
Speaker
We understand it's fucked up. We're gonna do better. Yes, what I remember exactly the interview you're talking about. I was at that interview and I remember thinking like, thank God there's a vet on the team that's willing to like say this. Who's that guy right now who will do that?
02:05:20
Speaker
And honestly, I think Paul Rothrock is the guy will cash who will fucking who will cash those fucking checks with his ass. Because I think, yeah I mean, i really do. And I think Will Bruin was that same kind of player. And that same kind and that's why when Will Bruin comes to town for whenever Indiana related or what, you know, he's beloved. And I think Paul Rothrock, you know, is earning that position and in Sounder Legacy.
02:05:45
Speaker
But... probably i would really like to fucking see Jay Moe or... any these veterans on these on this team have been here for countless Timbers Portland, you know, or Timber Sounders games.
02:06:00
Speaker
We have never fucking lost a game like this at home. Five fucking goals in Lumen Field. That's fucking not heard of. It's disgusting. <unk> God fucking. We score five on the best in fucking CONCACAF. We don't get scored on by bottom of the table fucking Portland Timbers. In our motherfucking house when it's a fucking full house on a Thursday night. Coming off a World Cup that you hosted.
02:06:24
Speaker
Correct. Man, like this whole conversation, ah you know, there's a lot of ah a lot of blame to fly around and stuff. I'm not going to say a negative word about Paul Rothrock or Snyder Brunel.
02:06:38
Speaker
Like the fact that they went out there and they took the heat for this, it pisses me off. But like... Those guys, man, they're absolved as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely. I'm im i'm good with that, too. I just for the rest of these guys, you know, say what you will, but I just want fucking fight. I want if we're not going to fucking win a game, I want you to Zidane these motherfuckers, headbutt them in the fucking chin.
02:07:02
Speaker
like and just Yeah, there was not even a brawl. I was saying the same thing. like There wasn't even like no red card, no fight, no brawl, no nothing. like You can't even do a little pushing and shoving? There was yellows, it and and even Paul Rothrock was willing to take the red on that non simulation, and it's just kind of like... wo Why the f... You know, why is it... Why this is Diego Chara's last game? Why don't we fucking make something of this tonight? Like... Yeah, what was Neymar? What the let's know fuck? I don't give a... Okay, we don't condone... All right, all right. It's Diego Chara. Of all the people that you would be justified in injuring, it would be Diego Chara, the most yellow We're going to get clipped. We're going to get clipped. We don't wish injuries.
02:07:43
Speaker
i really I really do. i hope I do appreciate that Diego Chara was at this game tonight. Diego Chara fucking... life. Diego Chara owns Seattle right now. He really does. I mean, he owns Jordan Morris. They should make him the mayor of the city. They should give him a key to the city. I got to call up Katie Wilson. She's going to give him a key to the city at this point. That's what we all deserve out here. We all deserve it. Yeah. So all this talk about Weibel tonight, I was thinking about this before the game too.
02:08:11
Speaker
You know, how much i really miss Chris Henderson and some of the scouting ability of the Sounders Club that we used to have find guys, you know, we talk about Peruvians, we find them like Rui Diaz and guys like Ladero. I would really love to have a scouting guy like Henderson back on this team.
02:08:29
Speaker
I think he's not doing too hot. Let me let me be clear. I think the Sounders have good scouting ability. I think what they don't have is the ability to pull the trigger on anything. Like, like it it doesn't matter how you're scouting if you're unwilling to skyline. I don't think De La Vega fucking joins this team if fucking we had it actually good scouting ability.
02:08:52
Speaker
Just based on based on everything you kind of see sign wise and granted, yes, he did kick the shit out Cruz Azul. Like some of the things we've seen out of De La Vega are great. But but it's no consistency compared to like guys like Rui Diaz and Ladero and guys who have come in under Henderson. Yeah.
02:09:10
Speaker
like As a De La Vega. I love De La Vega too. I want him to come back healthy, but we're fucking out of time at this point. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. the the The window to move him was at the beginning of the year. I don't fucking know.
02:09:25
Speaker
Where do you move him to? Based on anywhere. you' he's his guess but but i like Who's who's who's buying him after he arrives here and there's play. Someone will buy him. Someone will buy him. Quote from Craig Weibel himself. The player that we get the most interest from across the board is Pedro de la Vega.
02:09:46
Speaker
So I mean, fucking anything. I don't I don't care. Honestly, whoever wants to or whether it's Dallas or Austin or Real, I mean, we got to sign that check at this point because he's not playing.
02:10:00
Speaker
I think a great trade would have been Pedro de la Vega to Dallas for Jesus and Areola. Think of how great that trade would have been.
02:10:13
Speaker
You get an open DP spot. which probably then would go to Jesus, but we don't need to talk about that. I mean, it's just, yeah. That's fine, too. I just... I think this team would love to see a big DP signing, honestly. Major De La Vega at high end is why he was signed, but Ladero and Raul were signed because of their mentality and day-in, day-out ruthlessness.
02:10:38
Speaker
Like, I mean, Rudy has Fox in the box, baby. Like the guy. yeah and And honestly, I remember i remember that 20 that 2018 playoff loss to Portland was worse than tonight. This was fucking rough tonight. This was this was on the fucking level.
02:10:53
Speaker
But i just remember Rudy as making his penalty and fucking and we didn't win that shootout and just walking on that motherfucker feel dejected. Like you knew that guy had fucking passion and fucking wanted to fight and win.
02:11:08
Speaker
Yeah. So fighting when that's that's my frustration. I do. I'll finish out with this thing. I do. I do have one or good thing to say about PDX.
02:11:17
Speaker
Tillamook ice cream is fucking delicious to fucking nurse this fucking loss. That's facts. Good thing that Tillamook was ah their sponsor for fucking. That's about it. fuck yeah Timbers otherwise.
02:11:30
Speaker
but mean they on um yeah whatever yeah I don't even think about them. I'm not even mad about this game or anything. I'm not mad. You're not mad. You're the bad one. yeah fucking I'm definitely mad. fucking I had to stay through those extra fucking 10 minutes. hoping youre you europeanized Well, Timbo, great call as always, brother. We got to get Nat in here. but Cheers, boys. Be good. yeah Cheers.
02:11:54
Speaker
Have a good one. We'll catch you next time. All right. Let's get Nat in here.
02:12:00
Speaker
Matt, you was up, man. Let's start off by saying, fuck this game. Everyone come out on ah Saturday to Salmon Bay National Championship game.
02:12:12
Speaker
ah It's going to be lit. We'll be there. We'll be there. i'm going to go to the bathroom, but I'll be right back. Yeah. So if you hated this game, come see good footy and see a championship trophy. Get lifted Salmon Bay.
02:12:27
Speaker
I don't know what the ticket info is, but I'll let not give that to you. Well, the USOW National Final, that game is sold out. Okay. can come to the parking lot at Interbay for free, or you can watch in the bushes for free.
02:12:43
Speaker
Come to the bushes. going to crazy. That's Saturday. You can still get tickets for battered FC. They're playing tomorrow ah in the playoffs. And after we win, we're going to play again on Sunday.
02:12:57
Speaker
get tickets for that game tickets.upthebridges.shop but about this sounders game um so uh sorry timbo i did not i was also not watching this game um i had my own soccer game and i saw the odyssey and think that is like the way better thing to be doing And it's like, I am so happy I was not at this game. And um and like i've i've seen like a car I've just seen like a little bit of the reels of the goals. But besides that, I've just...
02:13:37
Speaker
This this podcast has been great. um Just and I've been so proud to be a Sounders fan. Let's still listen to it. Like, obviously, this sucks. It's like, what the fuck is going on with the Sounders? But I've been so happy to be a Sounders fan right now because we care and we're all like, yeah.
02:13:59
Speaker
What was that? Like we what was that? we care and like ah like I've been saying like um the Sounders are like even when the Sounders front office right now they they're saying like that we want to they're gonna we build a stadium in Long Anchors like the Sounders fans are going to make noise that's not happening like we are making we make noise when we are mad about what's about what's happening with our team and like it
02:14:33
Speaker
They do have to listen to Ed Somerset. So happy to be a Sounders fan with that. And like the Timbers, they only have one trophy. Like they don't even have a, they've won the MLS. Well, they have two. That doesn't count. MLS is back. MLS is back, Nat.
02:14:50
Speaker
MLS is back. They hung the banner. Okay. One MLS cup. One MLS cup. In the MLS is back tournament. Dude, you don't, the bubble, bro. Don't disrespect the legacy of the bubble.
02:15:03
Speaker
Bro, we have two MOS Cups? They only have one. Yeah, no, they're like... When did they get on KKF Champions Cup? leave They're having a great night, and they should. They should. you know i know there's a bunch of them in here.
02:15:14
Speaker
They should have a great night. They can dunk on us all they want for tonight, but like reality is they're not that relevant. But i do have to but i did like this point that you're bringing up about ah Jordan Morris not going out here after this game...
02:15:29
Speaker
That is annoying me. I defend Jordan Morris so much. I defend him being at the World Cup in 2022. defend him getting his – of him initially getting the money because I was like, okay, he was a player who came – who got people ah into the stadium because people are like, we have this loco guy, and, like, he's so fast. He's making runs. He cares so much about this team. He's scoring giant goals. He's scoring a hat trick against FC Dallas. Like, he is it's he is excited to be here.
02:16:04
Speaker
but We have not seen, i have, like, during this World Cup, like, well, Sounders have been, like, at different events. And, like, I don't know, maybe Jordan Morris did show up on the Sounders barge. But, I don't know, I haven't seen, like, him posting at all during the World Cup. Like, where have you been, Jordan? You are a you are the one of the faces of this club right now. And he should have, eat like, come on, come on out. I know he's sad that he might be injured again. but like, tell me that.
02:16:34
Speaker
Like, you got to talk more, bro. like and like i Like, I'm starting to turn on, like, we got to move on from Jordan Morris. And, like, so that means it's bad.
02:16:46
Speaker
There's just, man, there's just no way. There's just no way you can tell me that the two guys who had to answer for that were Paul Rothrock and Snyder Burnell. Yeah. That's literally the only two guys that played well. Like, am I out of my mind? Nah, I don't... like yeah how How is that what Also, even if they had not played a good game, you're telling me you're going to throw the literal child out there plus yeah a guy who's not who's making, like, not even Max Tam.
02:17:14
Speaker
You have... millions of dollars in salary, years of leadership on the field. And let's throw out the guy who played fucking ah Toronto FC two, three years ago.
02:17:28
Speaker
Like what, what are we, what are we even doing? Where have we even gone astray as a club? Where is the heart in the culture of being a
Performance and Identity Changes
02:17:38
Speaker
sounder? Where is the, like,
02:17:40
Speaker
You know, yeah it gives me an even greater greater appreciation for Paul Rothrock, man, because yeah not only did he go out there and take take the hits for that when he shouldn't have had to do that, but I could tell, even watching the game tonight, I noticed this. First of all, he actually played pretty well in the first half. yeah He had an offside goal that you know could have changed the game, but also I thought he had a couple of really nice individual turns and plays. He looked like Seattle's most ah dangerous player. So like they just he shouldn't have had he shouldn't have had to do that, number one, but he actually played hard, number two.
02:18:15
Speaker
So i don't know. yeah Yeah, I like the the thinking about like he's diving late and like maybe he he should have gotten a yellow card for diving, but like he's doing that. He cares. like and like He is someone who clearly is... he I think he recognizes how fortunate he is to...
02:18:36
Speaker
have the skills he has in his playing professionally because like he he like went out uh like he he's worked so hard and like in the off season he was trying to find more money and he ended up coming back to seattle because he realized that we love him the most and we'd be all sad if he left so i like like he cares so much and he's always happy to be here that's why he's always like smiling the best uh on the field and just in every photo like we love paul rothrock we're and yeah can't be mad at mad at him i feel like also yeah this is just another way that it feels like the sounders have changed from what they were before because we're usually i feel like in other times we've had tough losses like we would get an interview from steph fry
02:19:25
Speaker
um And he would be very, he would always do it. like He would always do it. It didn't matter if they lost five to one or they won five to one. He would always do it. it's yeah I don't know why to why that bothers me so much, but I just think it's emblematic of like such a potentially larger problem.
02:19:44
Speaker
the The team does have a different vibe. And, you know, maybe it started. Maybe it really started with the with the logo change. We're going back to the logo change. Like, no one was asking for the logo change.
02:19:57
Speaker
um Everyone loved our old crest. I think... I thought that shit was worky, ugly as fuck, but hey, you know what? It was... It had sentimental value. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. Yeah.
02:20:09
Speaker
It was, like, ah one of the rare clubs. yeah Now our now our ah crest is, like, the same shape as, like, a lot of clubs, and it was, like, very much its own, and I like that about it, but yeah I don't know. Since then, like, people... This new... The new crest, it became kind of more generic, and we have became...
02:20:31
Speaker
more generic and like with it with everyone that they say like it it does feel like yeah we had a packed house today uh because of the the world cup uh the world cup hype but like it is really true it's like if i tell people oh you should come to the sounders game with me i'm saying like um Because like the Sounders games are awesome. It's like, I like it. I love the experience for all the years that I've had there.
02:21:02
Speaker
It's, you can't really point. It's harder to point to a player now. It's like this guy, this guy is someone you have never seen play soccer ever before.
02:21:12
Speaker
And like, you can like say like, oh yeah, Paul Rothrock, he's fun to look at. Andrew Thomas, he he'll do something funny. He'll talk back to the other team, but like Like for the other people, like it's like, yeah, we don't have Pedro because he's injured a lot.
02:21:28
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's tough. It's tough. We need be needed sighting players again. Sorry to cut you off your nat. Give us your final take here and then let we're going to keep it present here since we're rolling on our final few ah callers.
02:21:44
Speaker
Yeah, anyway, like, I think we're gonna we're going to bounce back against Austin. Like, we will be fine. But, like, come on, front. could like it it Jordan, but yeah, I'm going to leave it with what what I was saying about Jordan. Jordan, come on.
02:21:59
Speaker
Say something. Like, be the face of the club again. like Like, just be honest with us. feel like is pretty honest with us. Be honest with us. If he just came out and said, listen, I'm struggling and like I'm not... people are want People would respect that. Having two kids is hard. Yeah. And I don't even... I don't want to make my whole take on this just about Jordan, man. I just think that's like...
02:22:24
Speaker
the fact that it was that it was The fact that it was the only two guys that played well, that says something to me. like yeah I don't know. And the 18-year-old. Yeah. I don't know. Rubs me the wrong way. Nat, good stuff as always, man. We got Valkyrie and Maverick up next. so We're going to get them in here, but appreciate you, brother. We'll catch you on the next one. Bye.
02:22:46
Speaker
All right, we got a two-person call, looks like. Nah, we got Valkyrie and Maverick. Let's get them on the stage. We got the dynamic hero. Yeah, can you hear us? Yeah, hear us?
02:23:02
Speaker
Oh, no. I can't hear you guys. That's okay, just reboot it. We'll bring you back in. Reboot and we'll bring you back in. can't hear you guys. she hear yes All right. we We kicked them out. I'm going to kick them from the studio and then they can join back. Valkyrie Maverick, tap back in. We'll get you guys in here. Tap back in We'll get you back in. Join back in. Join back in and we'll get the text sorted out. But ah let's get Brian in here next. Yep.
02:23:28
Speaker
Brian, can you hear us? Brian is muted. Brian, you're muted. Hello. bri There he is. Brian. What's up, man? Are you a Sporting Kansas City fan by
Caller Brian's Criticism
02:23:42
Speaker
chance? I just saw your profile photo here. and it No, no, no.
02:23:46
Speaker
SoundBase fan. Unfortunately, right now. Well, talk to us, man. 5-1 to the Timbys. Yeah. Well, first off, I didn't even watch the game because I was going out.
02:23:56
Speaker
I was out and doing other stuff. Thank God I didn't watch it, but I saved myself from that. But the whole I feel like this has been coming like for years. like me personally, i've been on the we've been on a downfall probably since 2024, would say, is when I think we've been on a slow downfall.
02:24:19
Speaker
And just everything with the roster building of this I've not been a fan of the way we've built this roster. like I don't think it's been good enough to win an MLS Cup, which I know we won Leagues Cup last year, but that was without Jordan and Albert. And it's a League Cup, you know, it's cool because we didn't have it. But, you know, we should really be competing for the and MLS Cup, which we haven't done since, what, 2020?
02:24:47
Speaker
2023 when we well famously 2020 you know they totally didn't play a game and we totally didn't get the most they got pretty damn close in 2024 like if they literally they win that galaxy game they probably wouldn win it but they didn't yeah and at this point you're right like it's been since 2019 since philip has been acquired yeah and do they look particularly close to acquiring philip right now not based on what i just saw so that's yeah Yeah, it's I mean, like, we're kind of just stuck in in the middle right now. We're not terrible, like, to the point where we're going to miss playoffs, but we're not good enough where we're going to win the cup. We're just in the middle where, you know, we'll make it to the playoffs, get a first round exit, maybe second round, maybe the occasional year we'll get to the conference final, but we're not good enough to win it, I don't think, with the squad that we have at the moment.
02:25:40
Speaker
What do you think needs to change in that regard to get back to contention? I think we've got to reset our DPs because Jordan and and Pedro, you know they just can't stay fit. and i don't think like Pedro has shown his DP quality when he plays, but he just can't stay fit. And then Jordan, he's just past his best. like He's looking rough out there. Albert, he produces. you know i feel like...
02:26:07
Speaker
He couldn't be a DP, but if we had like two other really quality DPs, but we're not going to spend any money. We know like this summer will be what, five in a row that we haven't spent money? Yep.
02:26:19
Speaker
Yeah, and... Like, I really wanted Griezmann, you know? Like, I felt, you know, he loves Seattle Mariners. I thought that could have been a slam dunk. But I'm not even asking for us to sign, like, superstar, like, Messi, Griezmann, Lewandowski. Just give us, like, we players like we used to sign, you know, Raul or Lodero, players like that. Like, that can be helpful, you know, help us win. Because right now, our squad just not good enough.
02:26:45
Speaker
for like It's kind of sad how we used to be, like, the top of the top in MLS, you know? like we Like when TAM players became available, like we were straight on to that. And now we don't even have any U22s. Our DPs are pretty useless, to be honest. And it's just sad.
02:27:04
Speaker
You know what I want to say right now, just off what you're cooking off, Brian? and you know i'm i'm I'm flowing off the cuff right now, but want to just take a moment to voice my appreciation and admiration and gratitude to Nicholas Ladero.
02:27:18
Speaker
Yes, right. Because I think so much of the success this club has had, but also like the struggles they've had to recapture those heights, really come down to the fact that for...
02:27:33
Speaker
four or five years or however long he was on this team, this team had a centerpiece of a guy that he he, would not have let that happen. No, he wouldn't. not He literally, if he was on this team and he was on that field, that would not have happened. in And that's because he did let it happen. He, I'll tell you what, he's the first one out there to take responsibility. Yes, yes, that very true. Even though he didn't even really speak English that well the entire time he was on the team, he would always go out there after a loss. Yes, I will say that. And he would answer questions about it.
02:28:04
Speaker
But you know what he did every goddamn day he went to training, every goddamn game he played? He set the standard, and that standard was at a level that everyone else on the team knew that if they didn't meet it, there was going to be issues. And that was in large part because of him and his leadership and what he brought to this team.
02:28:22
Speaker
And not just on game days, man, everything. Every time he went to training, every time that he was part of this, he set that standard and he made sure everyone else in the locker room was ready to meet that standard. And I don't know. I like i think it's clear they have not been able to replace that.
02:28:40
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. Right now we don't have that one guy's centerpiece that you know he he's going to demand a certain level and if you don't meet that he'll let you know like even just like then with sending out you know Snyder and Rothrock for the press conference like that should be one of the most like senior players like Christian or Jordan you know shouldn't be Snyder but he's 18 like and Rothrock it shouldn't be him like I don't know how that they even allowed that to happen like that's just confuses for
02:29:12
Speaker
It's because that when there's a bad L like that, none of the star players want to answer for it. And they go, we don't want to talk to the media. We're going to just go home. And then PR goes, all right, well, then I guess Paul and Snyder have to do it. That's a sad state of affairs is what that Honestly, we need some players with some balls to face the reality right now, which we just lost 5-1.
02:29:35
Speaker
Just embarrassing. and I've seen it coming for years, but... And I don't know where we go from here because I don't think we'll sign a DP. i mean, the DP that we we will probably sign is Jesus, to be honest. like We ain't going to sign anyone. So it's not looking good at the moment.
02:29:53
Speaker
Sad state of affairs. Sad state of affairs. Brian, thank you so much for calling in. Do you have any final last takes here or are you feeling good? I think I'm good. All right. We appreciate you calling in.
02:30:05
Speaker
Thank you so much. Thanks, Brian. Good stuff, man. Talk soon. Alright, Valkyrie. Valkyrie, this is it. This is the last call of the night. Alright. Let's get him in here. Oh, oh wait, wait. on me that's all I got you. Can you hear us?
02:30:20
Speaker
Yeah, can you hear us? Yeah, you sound great. Let's go. got we got a crew here i got walt here we were at the game dude let's go ah all right well if you guys have made it all the way to this part of the video and you have not liked and subscribed then you need to fucking get on it thank you it's true because we're here and two hours and 30 minutes into the stream this is real grinder territory ah dude we we were we were there from the beginning and fucking love you guys everything
02:30:56
Speaker
and we love you back. i got a big, I'm mad because My number one scorcher for tonight is we need to stop talking about ownership because tonight was about pride and about the players and they did not perform.
02:31:13
Speaker
So stop stop saying adrian needs to do something. Stop saying that Craig doesn't have money. or what Like five one is pride on the badge. And are you telling me that you would – who are you trading for on the Portland Timbers?
02:31:33
Speaker
Who are you trading for? Low key Kevin Kelsey. Yeah, yeah. No point. point it wait Yeah, like nah, not many people. but like you're you're You're correct. Their roster is not good, and it's not not as good as Seattle. They they they wanted it, like to your point, they wanted it expeditiously more.
02:31:51
Speaker
like There is not even ah like an amount that you could say that they wanted more. We said it's their Super Bowl every time. We say that like derisively, but like that's a that's honestly like a compliment them. That's how it should be.
02:32:04
Speaker
that's how you should That's how Seattle should be taking it, and they don't. I know, but like even then going on your guys' point, like, i mean, where's the Aussie who's going to like put in the fucking cheap tackle or like make it feisty and being too polite or whatever. But i i don't know, like i I want to like really highlight this thing where I'm saying like,
02:32:26
Speaker
guys, like, you can get mad at Craig and you can get mad at Adrian all you want, but, like, tonight had nothing to do with them. Yeah, I actually, that's such a good point to bring up because, like, blaming Craig and Adrian for everything implies that it's like, the oh, the roster's not good enough.
02:32:45
Speaker
That's not what was happening. Like this was like a mentality issue. And so like all the stuff we've been talking about with the DPs is correct in the broader picture, but that's not why they got five ones.
02:32:57
Speaker
No. And we have we have so many could-be DPs or maybe just under-the-bar DPs. Like, Pereira, he's not DP yet, but like the writing is on the wall, right? like He's kind of up there. But like Jordan, like you're a DP, but you're kind of underperforming. Like, We float that line. We've done all these like math equations, money ball, whatever the fuck you want to say. We're a great, we're a better team.
02:33:28
Speaker
So don't say that the front office isn't doing shit and they're putting the money. Nobody sees the money is going into the academy. The money is going into producing and finding and giving these kids a chance. And right now we're in the fucking lull of the kids that were giving a chance. Yeah, maybe they're not doing there, but they have worked their way to get the chance, and that is what the Sounders are. They give them the chance to go. That is why Peter Kingston is fucking playing.
02:33:59
Speaker
Lopez is fucking playing. Now we don't have... I don't know what to fucking happened with Kim, but like... He just stepped on a ah twig too hard or something. I don't know.
02:34:11
Speaker
Yeah, but like we're but like we're we're giving the kids a chance, and that has always been our DNA, and right now... our crapshoot isn't fucking landing. and And that's fine. But, like, we've been producing, and that's where we're putting our money. So, like, don't tell me that the ownership isn't paying money. They're not trying to invest in the future. They're putting money into Long Acres. They're putting money into the Academy. They're putting money into the GA kids.
Academy Investment Discussion
02:34:38
Speaker
And we all want to, like, crap on them because the first team fucking is underperforming. i and it's not...
02:34:46
Speaker
it's I think it's a two things can be true. Yeah, I agree with you. I think i think the hard part as a fan is that I really like I can appreciate the business side of things. And I i know very deeply the a lot of people who are working on the Academy and I appreciate all that. But it's like...
02:35:03
Speaker
I'm not a fan of the Sounders because I want them to make money. I'm fan of, and like have some like robust ecosystem of like player development. I'm a fan of the Sounders because I want to watch entertaining soccer. And winning. Yeah. And like,
02:35:19
Speaker
you can you can You absolutely need that aspect of the healthy academy and investing in that. But if you're just going to go Money Bowl, you're not going to win those big games. You're not going to be competitive for those trophies. You're going to be middle tier and you're going to sell some players to some big clubs. You're going to win some trophies every once in a while maybe. But I like...
02:35:42
Speaker
I want to watch some exciting soccer. I want to see the players that maybe were their step from and MLS to a bigger league. That's great. But like, they're still incredibly talented or so a player like Nico Ladero or Raul Ruedias, who were kind of at the top of their game in their respective leagues. But there may be, maybe those leagues are under or on par with MLS. Even Albert Rusnak in his day when he came over from the Eredivisie to Real Salt Lake, like i mean that's a pretty good transfer. Things like that. So I think like two things can maybe be true. like I appreciate your perspective and I think that it is true that like to say that it is only on ownership and not spending, that is an oversimplification. But additionally, like that does play a role. And it it just it's like...
02:36:36
Speaker
I think as fans, people definitely hyper fixate on that stuff because it's like, I don't give a fuck if you're making money or you're building a training facility because you want to inevitably be worth a billion dollars or that you want to move the team to rent in and build a stadium because that's the only way your valuation of your team goes up. It's like, no, man, I want to watch fun wins and beat the shit out of the Portland Timbers. So it's hard. Like, I think you're right.
02:37:01
Speaker
in a lot of your aspects though can we we we gotta go the whole panel yeah i was like i got one more hot take i got sport but i want to see what you guys feel yeah but oh uh Mostly see I feel like at the first quote unquote half of the season, i was roasting them for not coming out the gate with any sort of fire or intensity or urgency. tonight they did for the first five minutes. And then I was like, oh no. It's interesting because the start of the game was actually pretty good.
02:37:40
Speaker
Yeah. It was. They were on top of Portland. Portland was leaving space in behind. They had the goal get cleared off the line. Like they actually looked like they, I had no worries about it.
02:37:53
Speaker
And then it just fell apart so bad, but yeah, it's weird. I was hoping it would bring us like the, the offsides goal, like what bring us momentum, but it felt like it just kind of fizzled. And yeah,
02:38:08
Speaker
That was rough. Yeah, for sure. But this, but my my particular take, and you guys have actually talked about this basically through the whole discussion here, is it to me personally, it just feels like, it feels like Moneyball, right? Now, don't get me wrong. You know, you want to get the kids out there. You you really won't you really want to give them time and all that stuff. But...
02:38:34
Speaker
I'm just concerned that what the Sounders may potentially be becoming is essentially something that's kind of similar to what, I don't know, how some other teams work in some other sports where they kind of just, you know they they have ah have a decent academy, they train on people a certain way or or whatever way it is, i don't know. And then...
02:38:55
Speaker
you know they They basically create products and then they just sell them because that's just how they want to make money. And I think while you know in some cases that can that can create for a period of time, maybe some exciting games that may show up from time to time, you just end up being a feeder for a bunch of other teams. And I don't and i don't like the idea of that essentially being kind of a goal for a team that's basically gone through and accomplished so much over the past, well, decade or so.
02:39:24
Speaker
And looking at how things went, you know, over the evening and just kind of how things have been, you know sort of, as you guys mentioned, have kind of changed. For example, when Steph and Fred would come out and talk about, you know, whether, you know, our wins and losses to now it's sort of being this sort of, uh,
02:39:39
Speaker
for lack better of putting it sort of this sort of formalized sort of discussion around whatever happened and just kind of you maybe smoothing over or placating what's been going on over the over the course of the years. It just sort of seems like I don't know, it it's like this sort of the the natural movement and fire of the team is gone and we're moving more towards this Sounders product, if that makes sense. I know, I think somehow in line with the ah what Nat was saying about the badge and like like this corporatization of this thing that was so ingrained in winning and like being first in the community and less so about building a product.
02:40:19
Speaker
And like, I think that that's so, so true. And I like feel that so deeply. And that's not to say that like, it's all bad to be a product at some times. It's just that like, when you are off balance, you feel it so heavily. And we are so off balance right now.
02:40:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's rough right now. It does not look good. No. ah Go for it. Give us your screaming hot take. yeah Bring us home.
02:40:50
Speaker
it's um right This is my scorcher for the night. We don't need a nine. We need an eight. I, yeah. Yeah. Was I already been harping on this? Yeah. Well, I mean, I think I said it earlier in the, in the show, but like clearly this team is overly reliant on Christian rolled on. If Christian rolled on is out there in, in what I was just saying about Ladero, Christian rolled on and Paul Rothrock, but Christian rolled on is the guy who assumed that role on the team.
02:41:19
Speaker
That is like, is he an eight? I don't – Ari, I disagree. He's not an eight. But, like, what I'm saying is, like, he – I mean, is he a six? Is he an eight? He's a six, though. He is a six. He's a six that highlights the eight, which is why Snyder can go forward, which is why Obed could go forward because they could all have the aggression – do it because he would clean it up and when we had ozzy and we had a like a solid six and i i'm the reason i say we need eight is because i think christian is ah six right but what and that is why we need an eight because we don't have an eight and like if christian was an eight i'd be like give give me jaw paul give me the black boots give me give me those fucking full black id like give me the hard crunching tackles but no
02:42:09
Speaker
Christian can do that, and he Christian is the person that should be the fucking DP on the team that is not, and he's doing his job, and Sixers are never respected in this league, but like you when he was gone, and like I like Dotson. I actually have like roots back home in Minnesota, so I always follow them, too, and I was so happy when he came back to Seattle, and like they can all do jobs, but... like You know who impressed sorry i'm going to go on a different tangent but it made sense you know what impressed me tonight? Fucking Osaze. When Osaze came in, he was so strong on the ball. He'd made plays. We have nines.
02:42:51
Speaker
i i am' I'm losing faith in Jordan, but I still believe in Jordan. Musovsky, if he gets the right service and he has the fucking... He's not going to be the A player, but he's the B-plus player that you need... and ozaze is like doing it like we don't need to buy a fucking another nine we need a fucking eight no i yeah yeah you need more bite you need more physicality you need more swag you need more energy you need more attitude you can go buy a nine that'll probably help but if like i don't know man like you exhaust the put him away
02:43:29
Speaker
Osazi can put him away. Jordan can fucking put him away. Rothrock worked his ass off tonight, player of the match. Fucking he can put him away. Like Kosi Ranzi coming in from the deep. We lost the game in the fucking midfield.
02:43:47
Speaker
Novel concept. Sign a nine, sign an eight. And someone else, too. I agree with everything you just said, but low-key, I also want a nine at this point. What will that do? What type of nine do you want? You know who I want?
02:44:03
Speaker
what what what type of nine do you want what title i want You know who I want? i want not Not who. Not who. What type? I want a tall, large target striker who can bury goals from inside the box or outside the box, a la Jordan Morris. Look at what Kevin Kelsey... Look at the yeah goal he scored. Yeah. Like, like you made someone who can who can finish, who can make a run like that. a big body presses defenses, distracts out from the wings because the wingers also have the ability to your point to score. I want someone who can just be there to finish off the ball, who can score fucking headers like that. Kevin Kelsey. I mean, here's my question.
02:44:48
Speaker
ah No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. So, so. Lukaku. Raul could like hang out and be around, and when the ball would fall to him, he would could snipe it.
02:45:00
Speaker
But you want a big... So you want us to play the crossing game? You want to play... You want to play... We're playing in behind and playing through balls and trying to find Jordan Morris like it's 2018 again. Yeah.
02:45:15
Speaker
eighteen again and we We can catch defenses out. It's just that we don't actually have a target striker that can beat their defender. Like, Musavsky, he's a great line-pressing attacker, and oftentimes he can kind of maneuver the ball and like kind of shake off a defender, but he's just like... He's Danny Musavsky. Like, no disrespect. He's just Danny Musavsky. So, if you kind of have that big body finisher, i mean...
02:45:45
Speaker
so you are bal i will say i i you You want you might control defeat finisher. Yeah. I agree with what you're saying on this, which is that like they got to get the double pivot figured out to where they can run a setup that's functional if Christian can't play. I think it's entirely possible, man, that when they get Christian Roldan back in there and the double pivot is him and Snyder again... that you could honestly put any of these nines that they currently have on the roster up top. Even, like you know, Jordan's injured now. But if you could put Danny Masavsky or Osaze up top. And if Christian is back there and the double pivot is firing and the back line doesn't look like the bad news bears like it does does tonight, then the team can function again. But it's just, to me, that feels like a situation where you're like,
02:46:35
Speaker
Overly reliant on Christian to where it's like, okay, well if he doesn't play are you getting 5-1 by the Timbs at home? That's not you can't have that like you got reverse isn' it too much like pressure on the number nine in reverse like if all you're relying on is the number nine like yeah I mean, fair. That's the Christian Benteke argument where like the the worst team in the league was... It has to get there in the first place. we're passionate I'm more passionate about shoring up the midfield than I am the strikers. I think as bad as the offense was tonight, the strikers have at least like shown aptitude at some junctures in the past.
02:47:16
Speaker
And can we just have an Alex Rodon appreciation moment? Because like... Hey, I've been saying. I've been saying. Can we just say that out loud? like ah And it's also just, you know, when I hear the word chronic, which is what that was said about his hip.
02:47:36
Speaker
that's and But hes he's not someone who's done that. So, like, there's something there there's something but, like, underrated. ah You know, overrated, underrated, do your thing, but, like, underrated. Alex alex is underrated.
02:47:50
Speaker
Absolutely. We love that take. All right. Well, we appreciate the trio of you tapping in. You're the last ones for the night. So thank you for bringing us home. We've been streaming for two hours and 45 minutes. So we're going call. Yeah. And if you're if you're here and you haven't liked and subscribed.
02:48:06
Speaker
Yeah. lo york art sounder and art Coffee. Whatever. We should go put the myself on right now. We got that. about to be one o'clock in the morning. That's where we're at. Yeah. I appreciate you guys. Colin is the trio for the next one as well. We want all three in.
02:48:26
Speaker
oh We try all the time. We we did the ah the classic Nico and Joseph ah driving home on the Sounders game one time too, but we'll do it again.
02:48:38
Speaker
There you go. Appreciate you guys. See y'all later.
02:48:43
Speaker
All right. I think we can call it right there. We got no one else in the queue. ah You know, interesting times, Noah. I feel like we've been doing this show for a while.
02:48:55
Speaker
Three years. weve we've We've done shows after all kinds of results. We've done shows after the greatest wins you can imagine. Go back and watch the League's Cup final postgame if you don't believe me. we've done some we've done We've done a lot more wins on these shows than we have L's. I'll say that as well.
02:49:12
Speaker
But this, man... This felt like something new. This felt like something different. This was literally the worst loss in Seattle Sounders history. This was the, are if not the worst loss in Seattle Sounders history, one of the top two or three. Like, I don't think there's any question about it. And I think what... ah After an L like that, you know, you can be questioning a lot of things. But one thing I know is that, like, where things go from here is going to be as interesting as anything you and I have ever covered.
02:49:42
Speaker
So I feel like we're almost at, like, a I've been using the term crossroads, fork in the road. But where things go from here, it's going to be very...
02:49:53
Speaker
Like, I have no idea where the future lays after this. that And I don't think it's hyperbolic or overstating it or being melodramatic to say after a loss like that. Those are the types of conversations that have to be had. And if they go out and they whoop Austin's ass next week and they look better and they get on a good run of form, we can look back on this in a few weeks and be like, man, that was a crazy outlier, wasn't it? But right now, we don't know that.
02:50:20
Speaker
So you better keep tuning in is what I got to say about that. No one, you got anything? This is all that I have to say. There is no passion. There is no vision. There is no aggression. There is no fucking mindset in this football club.
02:50:34
Speaker
Nothing is there. What the hell is there in this football? And with that, we love you guys. Please like the video. Check out our podcast and we'll see you guys soon. Peace.