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From the Field to TikTok: Bluecoats, Boston & a Family That Spins Together
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The Peters Family brings the phrase “family tradition” to the marching arts. Hosts José “Joey” Montes III and Trish O’Shea talk with Craig, Melissa, Lindsay & Ashley Peters about their viral rifle-feature video that united four generations of color-guard experience. From Cavaliers and Guardsmen roots to Colts, Bluecoats, Boston Crusaders, Pride of Cincinnati & Allegiance, this family shows how spinning together keeps them connected on and off the field.
Highlights
• Family legacy across drum corps generations
• Behind the viral Boston Crusaders TikTok
• Lindsay Peters’ 60-Second Tech Block on packing for tour
• The ethic and energy that keep them teaching and creating
• “Water We Doing” rants & “Gush and Go” shout-outs
Featuring Craig Peters (@craigpeters459), Melissa Peters (@melissapeterscg), Lindsay Peters (@lindsayspins31), Ashley Peters (@ashleyspins21)
Hosts José “Joey” Montes III (@marchingbymontes) and Trish O’Shea (@trishdish1002)
Sponsors Guard Closet | Peak Group Travel
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Tease
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Hey everyone, and welcome back to On a Water Break, the podcast where we talk about everything you and your friends are talking about on a water break. This, we are keeping it all in the family, Fast and the Furious style.
00:00:12
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The family that spins together stays together. We'll find in this episode what made Trish say. They were kind of scaring everybody just walking around the arena. It was very cool.
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And why Craig said, You know, everything was like old school and you caught it here and there was no in-between. So trying to do the in-between stuff, for me, actually was the hardest part of everything. All that and more on this week's episode of On a Water Break.
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Eight off the met and go.
Host Introductions and Episode Highlights
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Welcome to On a Water Break. The podcast where we talk everything marching arts.
00:00:51
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Everyone, bring it in. It's time for water break. And then free run right there. hey everyone. It's your boy, Joey. I don't have a cool nickname. It's just Joey.
00:01:02
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ah We have a fun episode this week, although it's still technically Bantober. We're going to reach back to some drum corps season vibes and relive one special moment in particular. Before we see who's on the sidelines this week, go and subscribe on your favorite listening app.
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00:01:29
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Meet the Peters Family and Viral Video
00:01:32
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could fill out. If you want to be a guest, check it out in our link in the bio. Who's on the sidelines this week. Trish, how you doing?
00:01:39
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Hey everybody. What's the vibes? Are you feeling all right? It's great. I've been super excited about doing this episode ever since I saw that TikTok video, which we're going to get into. And it was just so fun.
00:01:52
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And i was like, we have to get them. So we got them. Here they are. Let's go. Let's do it. Do you want to? Yeah. Do you want to introduce them? I, you know, like I saw the video, but I i don't, I don't like taking glory from people. Would you like to introduce our guests? This is going to so fun.
00:02:08
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We have the Peters family. We have Craig and Melissa and we have Lindsay and we have Ashley and we're going to learn more about them when they do their 32 count live stories.
00:02:23
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But what lured us to having that, me in particular, to having them on this podcast was they made a TikTok video of themselves, all the Crusaders rifle feature.
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And I was like, that is so, they all were out there on their front lawn, front lawn, backyard. I'm not sure. Front lawn. Yep. And I was like, that is so cool that the whole family was able to do that. And I just loved it. So, but we'll find out more about them, Joey, when we do our, when they do their 32 count life stories.
00:02:58
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Okay. Sounds good. What would you like to do? tonight Can we talk about and preview some of ah the awesome weekly episodes that are about to come out? Yes, please. Okay. Well, the first one I was on it, so you got to go watch it.
00:03:09
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Bantober breakdown, Texas bands, drill science and marching accountability. That was sassy. With Whitney Stone, Alicia, Joey, and our newcomer Amari. He was so fun. He was so cool.
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He had a good time. I like his vibe. I can't wait to see where that where that guy goes. I hope he does all of the young leadership things and and you know builds a builds a name. um I think he's got so much information.
00:03:31
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um Steven's band state championships wrap up with Neil and Art Grossman. And um there's an interview with the Rowan University's Megan Cooney. And it's a great one as well. And then ah the one that i I'm so mad that I couldn't get on, and I think a lot of us in the chat really wanted to get on, was the sp battlebar yeah the special bonus episode with Jeremy and Ricardo with Latrice Royale.
00:03:54
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You guys have to go check that out. Oh my gosh, we were... Blowing up in the chat and then it had to stay super secret it had you know like it can only be them three you know I'm in flight It was cool to see my WGI in the in the winter but like being like So close to get to talk to them anyway, I was really excited.
00:04:14
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know that we got a lot of great content y'all go watch it I mean, are you doing like a band you're you're gonna be on buses for a while here get into your state competitions go listen to some on a water break Yeah.
Behind the Scenes of the Viral TikTok
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Our special guests today are members of the Peters family, Craig, Melissa, Ashley, and Lindsey. How are y'all doing today? Good. Thank you for having us on the show. Excited to be here. It's I mean, that video came out and it was so fun.
00:04:39
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and they have all been involved in the color guard activity in one way or another. Their social media video of the entire family spinning to the Boston Crusaders 2025 rifle feature is what made us all in the chat. I like you posted that. And I swear, like 30 seconds later, it ended up in the chat and everybody was like, we got to get some of the podcasts.
00:04:58
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so i mean like it was fun to do it was totally fun to do that video thanks to lindsey for doing that and putting the video together she's going to put it on her page so okay let's talk about it like whose idea was it how did you guys rehearse it like who you know let's let go yeah so actually that ah video the one that got like half a million views that was part two we posted a part one in may and well i think that's Part one started because I said to Ashley, I want to learn how to do that.
00:05:28
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Cause I saw other people posting and I'd see it on Facebook or whatever. And I said, I want to learn how to do that. Ashley teach that to me. So she started teaching it to me in the living room. And then Craig's like, Craig came into the living room and said, I want to learn it. So then he started learning. And the girls were recording us at the time. And I'm like, don't post that as terrible. And then Lindsay's like, no, fine, mom. It's okay. we'll put I'll put it together. It'll be funny. one's going to see it.
00:05:58
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So then after we posted that first one, I'm like, I could do a lot better. We need to go outside. We went outside and I could do it a lot better. And so then we had to try and plan a time where Ashley was home in between school and right before she left for drum corps for the summer. So we only had a small window of time to and to put that together.
00:06:15
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In amongst all the packing and getting ready for the summer, you know. Yeah, oh that part one, the original concept was guess who's the Boston Crusader.
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So we each had our separate videos and we had each done it kind of individually. So then we decided we should reveal, we should make the reveal who was actually the Boston Crusader. So that's where the part two came in of all of us spinning together. And that's where we showed that it was Ashley.
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Wow.
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And actually, i wasn't even going to post that part two, because we all were like, oh, we could do it better. We could wait until there's another time when we can get together and do this. But we kind of forgot about it. it sat in my camera roll. And recently i was like, oh, I still have this video. I should just post it, because why not? And it ended up blowing up, and we did not anticipate that at all.
00:07:06
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So now all y'all know when she, go when they go, Hey, uh, let's just take this video. Don't worry. I'm not going to post it. Like, you know, Lindsay, make sure, you know, Lindsay posts it.
00:07:21
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Ashley, what was that like? What was that like teaching a rifle feature that you had learned? um It was a lot of fun. and know my parents, they doubted themselves when they were learning it, but I was like, we can do this. like I'm going to get you there.
00:07:33
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yeah I'm just imagining like trying to emulate my best Heathergram who have you. you know on the like what like Did you come in and go, okay, that's not how you do it. This is What what were the vibes? How long did it take?
00:07:51
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I mean, when they first learned it, it took just like an hour or two. But then like in the weeks, as the weeks went on, they were like, we need to get better at this. And so I would see them sometimes practicing it.
00:08:02
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And I would come outside and give them tips if they needed help. On their own? They just went outside? Yeah, we did do it in my room. Oh my God, I love that. and The light of the street light out there trying to get a few minutes in with i mean That's how drum corps was when we all did it back then. you know There were no stadium lights back then. There was all ah candle and lantern.
00:08:24
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and So you guys, you know, oh, we got the lights tonight. we have We had candles. candles from I actually posted a video of the Cavalish from like 73 of them having a show in the parking lot of a of a school. Oh, my God. Yeah.
00:08:39
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yeah so I have some videos up on YouTube and my dad took some. Oh my God. How do they march around these light poles in the middle of the, it's crazy. and That's wild. Oh my goodness. So I got one more question for Ashley. I got tons of questions for mom and dad.
00:08:54
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but What are some like, so I think a lot of people have tried that feature. What are some tips and tricks you can give to people trying to learn this on their own? Oh, definitely the beginning, the flip of the single and a half to the ground.
00:09:08
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um We repped that a lot of times that summer and getting it like really fast. And like whenever you get it, you have to get on this down angle to be able to put the tip down like right away. It's really just getting that first part like fast enough, because if you're too slow to that, then you'll kind of be behind for the rest of it.
00:09:24
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So I just think practicing that first single and a half flip like a lot and like up to tempo is like really important in that part. And that's actually the hardest part for me, because back in our day when we marched, everything was nothing was aft.
00:09:36
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You know, everything was like old school and you caught it here and there was no in between. So trying to do the in between stuff for me actually was the hardest part of everything. Oh, that's my biggest fear. That's my biggest fear going to any of these like intensas or world guard like.
00:09:51
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whatchamacallit, clinics and auditions, they'll go, okay, so we're going start on the half and you're going grab at your pinky and then you're going to flip that and you're just going to go, what the shit?
00:10:04
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This isn't how it's supposed to be. We step off and we're like, what? It's in first position. Okay. That's crazy. So, I mean, like, y'all you were in drum corps and color guard and that stuff. How does it feel to have two wonderful children that are speaking like this about the activity that y'all fell in love with?
00:10:23
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Well, I'm still amazed that they actually went and did it, you know, because we tried so many different things when they were growing up. mean, we tried skating and, you know, everything else. And I don't know why they ended up, like, getting...
00:10:36
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drum corps stuck in their blood. It could be because we used to go to the shows all the time. Like I was in the Cavaliers alumni core in 2008. So they were exposed to that. And then I kept doing the classic Cavaliers. We had like a side group that was kept playing for the Cavaliers. That was, and the kids would all come to all the shows and they'd watch me and, you know all the other guys in the core. And I think, and even in the classic Cavaliers, I think it helped inspire them to like, you know, be familiar with it and be comfortable with it. And that's what they just gravitated towards.
Family Dynamics and Drum Corps Experience
00:11:07
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Yeah. Melissa, what's it like? What's it like? Yeah, it's pretty amazing. it's sir they're They're multi-talented too, though, because like you said, we did a lot of things. They did music.
00:11:18
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They study music now. And um they did orchestra and choir and ah gymnastics. And they did plays and everything. so But and to see them doing Guard, it's amazing. It's amazing that they were in it. I'm so glad they were in it.
00:11:37
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Because it's such a great activity to meet people and to put yourself out there and really become independent. And um they have so many friends now across the country because of it. And it's and such a wonderful activity. And so I'm glad that they embraced it and they still like it.
00:11:56
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and bob but That's so exciting. Yeah. I, I, I, you know, and two really successful, you know, programs, you know, it's, it's incredible that they're both just so up there. I, you know, I, I did, I think my brother and I were the ones that did drum corps, but my little brother and being this like big wig videographer, my sister's like into saving every dog on the planet. Like we all went different places, but my parents were very much music people.
00:12:21
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So it's very interesting to see, wait, are these your only children? I guess I got to ask that too. yeah Yes. Yes. Yes. Good question. It's got to be, it's got to be in the blood, right? Like that's great. yeah Absolutely. Kind of dove into this little bit. So I want to move on to our next segment. I want to hear from everything from, so we're going to do 32 count life story. Okay.
00:12:40
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ah You're going to hear eight from the Met and then you're going to go off and we'll start with, let me check my notes. We're going to start with Craig. Craig, you ready? What we're going to do, I'm going to give this to everybody. My goodness, wash that with bleach.
00:12:55
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yeah All right, now we're ready. We are so ready. Craig, you get eight counts and for the Met, and you're off 32 counts from everything from the day you were born to what you had for breakfast this morning. Are you ready?
00:13:07
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Ready. All right. My name is Craig. I was born in 1970. I marched drum corps for quite a few years. My brothers were in it from 1972 to 19.
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And then I finished in 1991 in the Cavaliers organization. Did rifle, flag, everything in the Winter Guard. I worked at JVC Electronics for many years, and I loved working there.
00:13:29
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And currently I love watching my daughters grow up and watch what they do um and cheer them on doing all their drum corps stuff and succeeding with life. So that's me in a nutshell. There you go. That was right at 32. You forgot that your parents were honorary Cavaliers as well. i Yeah. yeah forgot I did mention that earlier. I forgot all about that.
00:13:49
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You did? Yeah. but that's like We didn't quite get to what you had for breakfast this morning, but that's okay. That's okay. We're going to circle back. We're going to circle back. Melissa, you're next. You ready?
00:14:03
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Okay. you got you got Eight from the Met and you're off. Here we go. Okay, I'm Melissa Peters, i born in Chicago, and was in the Rita Nets high school, and then went on to be in a group called the Third Lancers Winter Guard.
00:14:17
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ah was in the and NIU Husky Marching Band Rifle Line, and then I coached the guard for three years while I was a student. And then um i was in the Guardsmen Winter Guard for two winters in the eighty s I was in the Miller's Blackhawks in age out year in 89. And then I went on to coach a lot of groups for the last 40 years. And then my daughters.
00:14:42
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guess You yeah
00:14:48
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and you all teach together? ah yeah. no We did. Yeah. Yeah. We forgot about, yeah. Perpetuum. Yeah. How did that work out? How did that work out? You two working together? This is very interesting. My significant and other, we work together and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work.
00:15:06
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How does it work with y'all? Yes, exactly what you just said. It was cool though. I mean, the best part too was of that. i mean, it was, you know, we got along sometimes, but the cool part was my, my girls would come and help too. So they'd come and they'd write work. So both the girls were coming and helping.
00:15:22
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too with writing the work so we were doing a good guard all together it was kind of nice so i mean stick to our roles i mean i was mostly staging and directing and you were teching and then the girls were core choreography so wow it was fun very cool family business oh my goodness That's awesome. It doesn't pay that much. So, you know, don't know you can it business if you don't make that much money on it. yeah yeah That's why you got four people in there getting money, you know, but all four you together, 250 each. That's a thousand bucks. That's enough.
00:15:52
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That's enough for a week in Indy. Okay. Ashley, are you ready? All right, let's do it. Here we go. Eight counts and you're off. Your 32 count life story starts right now. wow
00:16:04
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I'm Ashley Peters. I'm 21 years old and I grew up in the Chicago suburbs and now I'm in Cincinnati for school. um i study music and entrepreneurship. When I started Color Guard almost 10 years ago, started did an independent cadet class guard and then I went on to do cult cadets and cults.
00:16:20
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And then for winter I did allegiance and juxtaposition. And then most recently did Boston Crusaders for four years and then Pride this past winter. um And now I teach kids Color Guard too.
00:16:31
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um I also taught in high school as well. And I just been surrounded by guard my whole life. Pretty much. fool Almost like you were like led into your world. Yeah. Awesome. You had me at, you had me at Boston Crusaders, but you had me at Mike drop.
00:16:49
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right to cincinnati Like you had, I'm done now. I'm done. now i'm nothing The final year. Yeah. That's amazing. You did Colt and Colt Cadets, my significant other did Colts in, oh gosh, 14 and 15.
00:17:02
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and That's a great organization. It's a great place to to learn and grow. And we know it's a lot of people's forever home, but like if you're wanting to get a great introduction into the space, I can't um recommend Colts enough. It's a great place.
00:17:13
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Absolutely. You're studying music entrepreneurship. What's your goal with that? Where do you see you using that degree? Honestly, I would like to start some sort of color guard business. I don't know exactly what yet. And then with music, I would like to get into editing winter guard soundtracks.
00:17:31
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Oh, that's much needed. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Yeah. A hundred percent get into that. Make it great. Because I think we've all been to a Saturday show where it's like, they definitely did this in GarageBand, you know, like that's, that's so important. So good for you. oh my goodness. Lindsay, are you ready for your 32 count life story?
00:17:47
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Yes, I'm ready. All Eight counts and you're off. Your 32 count story starts right now. My name is Lindsey Peters. I'm 23 years old. I started doing Color Guard in eighth grade with the Steparet Cadets.
00:18:00
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And then for winter after that, I went to Perpetuum and Allegiance, and I did a season of Elevate as well for Drum Corps. Ashley and I marched together at Colt Cadets and Colts. And then I went to Blue Coats for two years.
00:18:12
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um I'm currently teaching at Naperville Central High School. um I was also in the U of I marching band and I was the captain there my senior year. um i studied music technology there and I'm currently doing audiobook proofreading and teaching art, of course. Do you you, as a family, I'm just curious after hearing all of your life stories, do you guys believe in taking a break?
00:18:41
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but Oh my gosh. Ashley, this is like your first break in like forever. but I'll raise you a Red Bull. That is in.
00:18:56
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How did you teach them this much work ethic? Like to do the things that they're doing and to stay, I'm sure on top of their, their studies. Like what's that like? What was growing up like? Like, talk to me and now hearing from y'all like,
00:19:09
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How?
Lessons and Reflections from Drum Corps
00:19:10
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How does this happen? Because like in in this day and age, you know, sometimes sometimes we wonder how, because it's amazing. Yeah, I really think it's their personality because they take on everything. I don't feel like we push them that hard to do stuff.
00:19:22
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They always just took it on and said they just had that drive to just do everything that they could to do the best they could, whatever it was that they were doing. They were very responsible individuals, very responsible young ladies. I'm proud of them.
00:19:37
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, what's it like to have parents that have done such craziness in their life and now you're in that world too, you two. I'll hear from anyone of y'all. i I've always wanted to find a family like this and I'm wondering, I am 33, but...
00:19:50
Speaker
but I'd be okay with having y'all as parents. Like what's the adoption paper look like? And I'm sure your credit score is great. Could you help me out with mine? Like, what's it like having them as parents friends? Like Lindsay, Ashley, how do you, how do you feel like, I don't know. I feel like maybe at your age, you're like, well, I'm just doing me.
00:20:09
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But like, There's got to be something. like what do you what do you When you wake up in the morning, whats how do you get up and how do you go, I got all this stuff to do and it's going to get done. What's the vibes? like Give me the secret.
00:20:20
Speaker
That's a loaded question. I mean, I do have like a calendar my phone that really helps. But also, um this is my first year being like a co-director of a color guard. And i honestly ask my parents for advice kind a lot, I feel like.
00:20:35
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and And like we always have conversations about guard. I always text them and ask them for like help with anything. Because I just know they have lots of experience in it. And I know they kind of know all the answers, I feel like.
00:20:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, personally, i just like always having goals for myself. Like, no matter if they're the craziest dream you've ever heard of, I always push myself to try to make it happen.
00:21:00
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Also, with like having parents that are in guard in particular, I think one of the fun parts is that Every day I learn something new, a new story from them, or will be like, oh, I taught at that school for a year, and I'll be like, what?
00:21:14
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So but that's the fun part, too, is just getting to hear so many of the adventures that they've had, and I think that's really and fun and interesting to watch. Didn't we at one point count up how many bands my wife actually taught, wasn't it? Yeah, it was like over 50.
00:21:32
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We should have written them down, but we didn't. Well, I couldn't, I couldn't, couldn't,
00:21:38
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Here's something they recommend. So my grandmother um passed away a few years ago and her her husband was a very famous composer and conductor in Mexico. um And so her last couple of years, I would set the video. I'm not saying mom and dad are not going anywhere. I want to be the first one to say that you've got time. Oh my goodness. But what I would say is put the phone up, press play, and then just talk and let them just say their stories because those are the things that we lose. We talked about this on a podcast a couple ah weeks ago was we lose those stories. We lose everything because the archive no longer, the WGI archive no longer exists.
00:22:16
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Everything has to be on YouTube and it gets taken down. We don't get to hear those stories. We don't get to firsthand hear about what it was like to be in the Cavaliers and having a light post in the parking lot for our show, you know, like that's,
00:22:29
Speaker
I never knew that stuff like that happened. I've had rehearsals like that. I've been so upset. I couldn't imagine preparing something and then being like, oh, there's something in the way that we didn't plan at all. Great. Like that's insane to me.
00:22:40
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I recommend both of y'all recording all the things. And maybe that's just an added thing to your social media space is just hearing these stories because it's what really builds the culture. It's what makes this more than just people spinning in a gym. It becomes crazy.
00:22:54
Speaker
A culture had become a way of life and But y'all are obviously living that way of life So I'd love to hear more stories Yeah, i know what you mean too, Joey Because like I go to show Even when we go to band shows We go to a lot of marching band shows too Because some of the kids that we were in That were in our group are still in some marching bands So we go and check them out And I always go, whenever I'm at a show, I talk to so many people.
00:23:17
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I think the girls can tell you, I to talk to everybody because I want to know their stories. We met some kids from Spirit of Atlanta a few weeks ago, and I started talking to them about their experience at Spirit. And so I just like to talk and hear what people say about their stories and their life stories of you know where their drum corps careers have gone. And the marching band.
00:23:35
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And yeah I talked to some kids. say One kid I actually inspired to march in Cavaliers as well, too. Just some random kids next to a DCI. So I think it's amazing to talk to people and find out what their passions are and to encourage them to push for their passions.
00:23:50
Speaker
Yeah. And, and kind of like we were talking about right before we got on, there's a lot of things that are different about when we all marched, you know, it was all different worlds when all of us marched, but I think there are universal truths and the lessons that we learn.
00:24:04
Speaker
No matter when you march, you know, there's hard work, there's a, there's work ethic, there's getting up when you're tired and beaten down, that's a skillset that you have to learn. And obviously, your children know, and and they're, they're so, they're doing it at such a high level.
00:24:17
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I'm like, I just, y'all's life. Dope. I'm telling you right now, you guys are dope. this So cool. Thank you so much. We appreciate that.
00:24:28
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Trish, you have, do you have any questions for them? I mean, they covered so much. Oh my gosh. They really did. No, I think that I'm just enjoying listening to your experiences and I'm really, you know, I'm really inspired by you guys. So yeah. Thanks.
00:24:44
Speaker
Yeah. but Can you give me like each of you, just like your one favorite thing about the times you marked? Like it doesn't have to be your favorite year. It could literally be, Oh, I had a tech block and it was great. i just want to hear it. Can we start with, we'll go down the same list. Craig, can you think of anything in your marching career, teaching, directing, performing?
00:25:02
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It's like, this was just a great story. A lot of stuff from specific year of the Cavaliers in 88, it was just the perfect mix of Cavalier guys together. And we just had the most fun time that I've ever had in my life.
00:25:14
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It was just, I don't know what it was, but it was like just the people were perfectly melded together and we just had absolute ball all summer. We worked hard, we played hard and I'll never forget that experience as long as I live.
00:25:28
Speaker
That's exciting. Melissa, do you got one? mean, only thing I can think of is how I was inspired. by seeing other groups. And ah when I first started, that's when PBS used to show WGI, all the, you know, the Olympics and all they used to call it the Olympics. And then I got to be in it my first year in guard.
00:25:49
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And I have the sign behind me that said Olympic, i got a picture of that. And so, I mean, that was fun. And it was cool to watch them on PBS and always be inspired. And I, you know, I just, I just loved it from the beginning. And I'm just so glad to still be a part of In a small way now.
00:26:05
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Yeah. I wish we could find a way to continue the funding and get PBS to cover DCI. Yeah. We'll get it. Darn music rights. right People needing money.
00:26:16
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Ashley, you got one? Yeah. This might sound kind of, like, obvious, but I just thought doing the victory run this past summer, like, I never felt, like, energy like that performing, like, ever. Like, I feel like I did DCI for eight seasons, and I was always like, why would you want to do a second run, like, anyways? Like, I feel already tired.
00:26:36
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But, like... Actually doing it, I was like, wow, I understand now like why ah worked so hard and like why I was working towards this like the whole time. so yeah i mean can At what point did you realize that it was different during that run? Was it prepping for the victory run? what what point were you like, oh, I freaking love this?
00:26:58
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It was definitely having all the like alumni like on the field. They were right in front of us, standing there, and they were just like screaming so loud and everyone was recording. and It was just like it was like indescribable. An unmatched feeling, I'm sure. Well, I i hope you find a way to capitalize on that and give that to your students. i think i mean like It's a once-in-a-lifetime experience for sure.
00:27:22
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Lindsay, you got one? Yeah. So I know that scores don't matter at all. um That's not why we do this, of course. But Ashley and I marched um four years of drum corps together, and then we split off.
00:27:35
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And I went to Bluecoats, and she went to Boston. And that summer, that first year that we separated, we tied for second place. And that was the most crazy feeling And the reason why it's so important to me and why it was so significant is because it just reminded me of why do this. We do this because we're connected and because like, it's the special things like that that you remember.
00:28:06
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And I'm also going to throw in getting to be on the field for the Bluecoats Alumni Corps in 22. That was also an incredible moment. And that's another time where I was just reminded why we do this.
00:28:21
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So many alumni out there, like the most incredible sound and everyone had this great energy together. And I think that's what is really important about the activity in general. There's this epic...
00:28:34
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I'm sure you've seen it a million times of Mike Scott crying and you guys are all standing behind him when they were performing. It's like an epic picture. Yeah, it was a great, great moment.
00:28:48
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Y'all have lived so much history. Oh my goodness. i am Again, I'm free. I'll be up. You ever want to respond, Craig? We can play cat. i'm I'm more of a baseball fan than I am a player, but I think we'll figure it out.
00:29:03
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I think we'd play with rifles and flags more than anything else, which is what we used to do when we were younger. used play that the backyard, too. I don't know if I can catch a rifle. I'm going to be honest with you. Not these days. I think if a kid was like, hey, toss a five, I'd be like, I'm going to lose a finger and an eye, but I'm going to have this. What all do is amazing.
00:29:24
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Hand-eye coordination changes when you get older. That's for In my mind, I'm still 19, but when I go to look for the catch, it's... Everything just moves faster and is heavier now. And I just, it's 1000% true. Yeah.
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00:31:18
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Okay, guys, let's get into some news.
00:31:34
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Okay, Trish, you got some news for us? I do. Well, obviously the big event of the weekend was the BOA Super Regional in Indianapolis. And there was a lot of surprises, I think. But I mean, happy to see Carmel on top. That was pretty cool for them. They were beautiful.
00:31:57
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Joey, we just watched a little clip together and that was pretty solid. Yeah, I mean, i just i wait it's the first time in a while that I've seen them out of the non-traditional uniform. So if you haven't seen them yet, go catch them on wherever you can find them. I don't know that we can say anywhere but Box 6.
00:32:15
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if you can I mean, it was really close between them and Avon. Avon ended up in first. With a 92.7. But a 92.05 for Carmel. I mean, that was close. And then, Joey, you even commented about what a different look Carmel had this year. Yeah. I mean, the little matador look. yeah The color guard being like with a spotted cast. It's so cute.
00:32:37
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It's very, very cute. yeah I got to check out a video of Avon. i mean that I wonder how many super regional wins that is for them. I'm sure it's pretty high. They're stacking up now for sure. They really are. yeah and Then you had Blue Springs out of Missouri in third with 90.4.
00:32:56
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Then you had three Indiana teams in a row. Fishers, Castle, Brownsburg, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Trish, have you seen Fishers? I have not. There's teddy bears on the field?
00:33:08
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Oh my God. Seriously? It's, it's, yeah, it's quite the show. I got to see it in Orlando at the Orlando regional. And I mean, there were, they I think they performed like maybe two behind us, but they're, they're stack of bears we right behind the band I was working with. And I was like, Oh, this is crazy. They're like 10 foot, maybe the i'm I'm short. So everything's tall to me, but this is like huge bears.
00:33:30
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Well, I'm sure BOA will be like broadcast on Fox 5 something of that nature, the Grand Nats. I'll try and check that out for sure.
00:33:42
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and Crazy. um I've got some news. You do? Yeah. I mean, I always have news, but let's finish out the 12 finalists. You want all 12? Okay. Avon, 92.7. Carmel, 92.05. Blue Springs, 90.4. Fishers, 88.1.
00:33:56
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ah blue springs ninety point four fishers eighty eight one brown but home in the so Let's go. Yeah. Running out the top 10 Harrison high school from Georgia, 84, four, five.
00:34:10
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So this is stacking up to be a really good grand Nats. Oh yeah. um And if you're going to be there, like I said, on a previous podcast, come catch me at that Taco Bell cantina. They got the best tacos in town in my opinion.
00:34:22
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Yeah, that's crazy. but And I mean, being from ah the Midwest, like let's go union, you know, like that's so fun. Their shows are always so well put together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, just talking about that same weekend, Grand Nats, during that same week, we've got the 50th Annual PASIC Convention in Indianapolis at the Convention Center right across the street.
00:34:42
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Tons of really cool marching arts sessions and clinics included. I mean, ugh. Everything from there's a it's called powerhouse arranging for marching percussion by I think it's front like that one's put on by the marching committee panel.
00:34:57
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There's also a session by Shelby Shelton and it's a movement for front ensembles Vanguard percussion is going to perform George Mason is going to perform. Rhythm X quad line is going to be there. I'm Adam Norris, Thomas Clayson.
00:35:10
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I think that's how you say it. Lauren Teal's doing what, Oh, love me some Lauren Teal ensemble skills that transcend the marching art. So, I mean like that lines up with everything. I try to talk to band directors where they're like, well, we got to have that marching band sound. It's like, no, we have to have good sounds.
00:35:24
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Right. that Just, you know, you know, and so like when, when we've got, you know, Lauren Teal's amazing and you know, both indoor, outdoor, you know, and out of the marching arts, like, Every skill that we teach, everything that we talk about from a foundational level should but to apply to other things. This is music education at the end of the day. And I think sometimes some marching band people lose sight of that. So this is, I'm going to really try to hit that one up.
00:35:48
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That would be great. so yeah. And of course you will come on the podcast and let us know all about it. Oh, we're going to hit some what are we doings in that loud, loud expo hall for sure. I got to get some good mics for that. And it's a, it's my favorite time of year. I mean, it's just like WGI, right? Like would go to WGI. It's like a big homecoming.
00:36:07
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I get to do that with these band directors and percussionists ah during, during PASIC and BOA week. So it's so cool. It's good time. And ah we're in the best of times for some people. It's the week of Halloween.
00:36:18
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Listeners, if you're watching, drop your favorite spooky marching band show and tell us why it's your favorite.
Spooky Shows and Controversial Themes
00:36:23
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um But Trish, I want to know, what's your favorite spooky marching band show? Well... Or marching arts.
00:36:30
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Before I got to the Bushwhackers in 1994, they did a Nightmare Before Christmas show. and it was really, really cool. Their costumes were cool. The flags were cool. They were super in character.
00:36:43
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That's one of them. But as a Winter Guard person, I would definitely be remiss if I did not mention AMP 2019, which was called Vamp, with the rifle line coming out out of the coffins and doing...
00:37:00
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you know, rollover turn, uh, rifle toss and all that great stuff that happened, that amazing soundtrack that had like, you know, all that old spooky eerie music, but it also had like a little bit of my immortal in it.
00:37:14
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It was just a really super, super cool show. And I mean, people still talk about it. Kids still scream about it. Really cool. Did you see it?
00:37:25
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Yeah, I did. I got to see it live. And I remember watched it in prelims. And I was like, wow, that's crazy. And them coming out of the coffin. So I didn't get to see them in semis because I had some groups make semis that year.
00:37:38
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um Make finals that year. Go. um but like So i couldn't see I couldn't see them in semis. So I saw them in finals. And I was like in those little like vendor red seats. Right. And I started the timer when they got on the floor and I was like, okay, let's see how long they're actually in those coffins. And it was a very long time ago. I don't remember the exact time, but it was a ridiculous time to be in the dark, open that up, exposed to the UD lights and toss cold. Yeah.
00:38:06
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That was insane to me. It is. It was insane to me to teach. That was a trained skillset that must've taken all season, but it was in nails, man. We're so fortunate here in New Jersey that we get to see them in our own home circuit, Maine, so often.
00:38:24
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mean, them in fusion. I mean, I always try to sign up for shows that they're going to be at. So the kids get to see them. And so I get to selfishly see them too. And they get to be celebrities in the circuit too. Like those, those, those world-class performers get the cheer of the crowd. That's awesome.
00:38:40
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Yeah. And amp is always one that brings the house down, but what are your favorite spooky shows? um Well, I mean, was very i was very shocked. I mean, maybe not shocked. i i Northmont, or is that Northmont 93, 94? Yeah.
00:38:55
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The Winter Guard? Yeah, the Dante's and Devin, that one. Every time I talk to people about Color Guard, they're like, oh my gosh, have you seen Bubba? When I was getting into it. Oh, I didn't even think of that in such a good one. Yeah, that one was thrown at me. When I show kids, there's a lot of things that they don't need to be seeing in that one, which is why all the things happened around it.
00:39:14
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But... I go, this is commitment to the bit guys. Like, did you believe this became a problem because people believed, you know, like that's what we want. This is what we say when we say include them in your world. You know, we talk about all the time. I say those first four steps you take on the field, you are setting a tone.
00:39:32
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You're creating the world, you know, essentially. Yeah. And they sure did. Oh my Gosh, to the end, man. To the That was a good one. Pulse, I believe it was 14, the one where they had ghosts. It was like paranormal. Oh, wow. Yeah, the visual ensemble cymbal line like crawled around. It was the ghost and like manipulated the dad and then the mom and then like took the kid at the very end with his big red flyover. That one was really cool.
00:39:59
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um I really, really liked that. Yeah. I mean like corpse bride, Academy, that one's a really good one. Yes. Yes. That was fun. that the Is that, that's the first time, but has that, has that been the last time they were in finals as well? I forget about, you know,
00:40:16
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Maybe one time after that. Maybe one more time. for bob yeah I still have a, they, they, they pushed, they put it out. They put out ah invites to the wedding for finals. It was the first time. So like, I don't know how they got these printed off so fast, but there were like legitimate wedding invites down card stocks. And I still have one of them. It's hangs in my little marching arts, a little hall that I have. And um it's so freaking cool. That was, I actually just thought of another one.
00:40:41
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Did you see MBI winter guard a couple of years ago when they did it? Yes, that was a good one. I'll tell right now you're talking about, you were just talking about committing to the character.
00:40:52
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Those kids just walking around the arena. Like I remember seeing them come, like you come out, you know, to go across to the tent and they were coming around and they were super in character and the whole person with the raincoat and the balloon, like it was so well done.
00:41:10
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They didn't even have to perform. I mean, they they were they were kind of scaring everybody just walking around the arena. It was very cool. Really good. Really good costuming. And talking about costuming, like just bringing up more Halloween type stuff. What was that? Bellbrook that did Edward Scissorhands last fall? Yes.
00:41:28
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Oh, yeah. worked with the lady that did their makeup, Ashlyn Robinson here in the North Carolina. She also did crowns makeup last year. I forget if she did it this year, but she did last year with all that red and yellow and you know that really beautiful shine. was gorgeous.
00:41:41
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She did that. And she's like a makeup guru. If anybody needs makeup, Ashlyn Robinson here in the North Carolinas. Hit her up. She's great. Bellbrook is great. um I remember, it's not really scary or spooky, but when Dartmouth Percussion did their um let them eat cake show. And they were all in the wigs. Like that was the first time I saw high school. Like I can remember wanting to share a video of high schoolers committing to the bit. That was so cool.
00:42:06
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They're all in like powdered wigs and old timey English, you know, that's cool. Like that's very Halloween to be yeah costume and buckles on the shoes and all. Yeah, dude. I'm trying to think this year, a Cleveland High School from my neck of woods in Clayton, North Carolina is going to Indy, I believe. And they're doing a like Beetlejuice-esque, like I think it's called Burton-esque, I think.
00:42:29
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Kind of like when Blue Springs did Burton-esque. um Okay, 2016. But yeah, just really zany, the white and black, like, um and I like those types of shows, because it's spooky, but it's not like Northmont, you know, it's not like, you know, and so I think it's fun to kind of explore that space. I'm not against it.
00:42:51
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I just always like we talk about like, Oh, well, maybe we shouldn't be doing a show. Like, why are we trying to, you know, expose our kids to that feeling. I think there's smart ways to do it. And I think all the groups we talked about, maybe minus Nordmont 97, did it really smart and entertaining.
00:43:07
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And I encourage more people to find a way to do that and not make it about the blood and the guts and the gore. Yeah. and Because when I think when you can scare, you can get somebody in that spooky space, but still keep them in kind of the professional realm. Yeah.
00:43:22
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I really feel like it's so fun to watch. Can you think of any more spooky shows over there? We named a lot. You know, you did touch on Beetlejuice and we did have Vox Ardium do a Beetlejuice show last year. You did touch on that.
00:43:36
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That was pretty cool. That was a good one. I mean, that was a good one. The percussion space really seems like the place where people do spooky shows. Like there's like, yeah, like I remember this was 2015, 16, maybe at world champs. There was a scholastic group that did like a inmate show and they put them on the, on the chair and electrocuted them.
00:43:55
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And man, did he move like he was really getting electrocuted and then just laid down. And they rolled them off and I was like, scary. Okay. i will you controversy It didn't cause a controversy.
00:44:06
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Uh, I think in the percussion space, like I had, I had a percussionist come up and talk to me today, say, I want to, I want to bring the percussion world to wins and make it spooky. And I go, I really don't know that that's the idiom, but if you, ah you know, step your foot in and, you know, make that your place in the idiom at, you know, who am I to say, you know, I'm, there's no gate to jump in and try it.
00:44:27
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You just got to do it the right way. But the percussionists are about like, Oh, I like, they have like, you know, cuts, you know, like that's, that's like a feature this and then down and, you know, they'll like break the neck and it's all in their visuals. And, um, and so like, really you go to any indoor percussion competition, you're going to find a spooky, gory kind of, you know, aggressive. That's pretty interesting.
00:44:53
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Yeah. And you know, it's, it's a, it's definitely found their place in that way. think we've pendulum swinged into the more, cerebral intellectual space right now. But for a long time, I remember, you know, Oh, there's an inmate show. Oh, there's an insane asylum show. Oh, there's a, you know, prisoner show, you know, Oh, here's a, you know, a battle of some sorts.
00:45:15
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I mean, like the color guard was there for a little bit during all the, I see a lot of the, I remember seeing a lot of it. It doesn't happen very often and be successful anymore, but like the Holocaust type stuff again,
00:45:30
Speaker
Don't know if we should be hitting on any of that to our kids, but you know, when they do stuff like that, like, I mean, it's sometimes it's effective, but I remember seeing that happening a lot in the color guard space for a while. Do you remember that time?
00:45:43
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Like there was a lot of groups. I remember one year in, in, in ah Dayton that it was just, I was like, Oh my gosh, is this like a really important like anniversary? Like why there's so many.
00:45:53
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um This was like 2012 or 13, maybe 14. That's weird. I didn't like that. I, I, I, I really like happy shows. Like you you have to do this. Oh yeah. takes months You have to do this for freaking six months. What are we doing? you know.
00:46:09
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00:48:25
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Okay, everyone, we're back, and it's time for my favorite show. Session. My favorite segment. My favorite everything. Which 60 Second Tech Clock.
00:48:42
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60 second tech block! ah Okay, it's time for our 60 second tech block. This segment is where one of our hosts, or guest clinicians, it's our guest, is putting on a spot to deliver a non-stop 60 second tech session on a topic that needs some serious attention.
00:48:58
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After the last run, our special tech this week has come prepared with three topics they think they can talk about for a full 60 seconds straight. No hesitation, no pauses, just pure Technical gold. And this week, let's see.
00:49:14
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We're going to go with Lindsay. Lindsay, you said you had three topics. Hit me with them. All right. One topic. Let's see. First topic is drum corps in media.
00:49:27
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Second topic, diversity in the arts. And third topic is packing for drum corps. Mmm. Mmm. Let me think here.
00:49:42
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Does anybody have one that they're kind of swaying to? Hacking skin. Hacking? act I think for somebody that's done this for eight seasons...
00:49:54
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You know what I mean? If there's a family that could teach you how to get ready for the summer, it would be y'all. You know what I mean? So if y'all are with me, I'm jumping on this package. All right. All right. I'm in.
00:50:07
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I'm in. Let's do it. Okay. All right. So we did it. right. Here we
Drum Corps Preparation and Packing Tips
00:50:10
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go. Are you ready, Lindsay, to talk 60 seconds full out? Yes, I'm ready. Okay. Okay. Ashley, can you pull up your phone and can we do a 60 second timer?
00:50:20
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And then i really want you to be excited. I'm a little cool with them. Okay. They only get 60 seconds and that's it. It's going to get cut off. If they don't say socks, we don't get socks on tour. Okay. So here we go. 60 seconds on the clock.
00:50:34
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Here we go. Five, four. Oh, that's three, two. My fingers are weird. One. Here we go. Boop. All right, so everyone knows that the hardest part of Drum Corps is just beginning, right?
00:50:46
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Going to your audition camp, um just starting out, going to your first season, making it to spring training. And a lot of people really just don't know how to begin, but there are a ton of resources and there are a ton of people who have done this um that have a lot of experience.
00:51:02
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So I have created this lovely about 50 page packing list And I spent a lot of time on it. I marched six seasons of drum corps. It takes you through basically everything that you will need.
00:51:16
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Mostly as a color guard member. I don't know too much about all the other sections, but it will help you give you a lot of tips on to physically pack everything as well as what you do and don't need.
00:51:28
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And you can also ask me some questions. So take that link, message me on Facebook, and I will send you that packing list. Three, two, one. I think we're going to make it. Okay. a Okay. So I'm super curious. Okay.
00:51:44
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I need the packet. i just I'm just controlling the packet. When I marched drum corps, I was like, oh, they'll have shirts there. I'll just put them there. And we we did all days in Wyoming.
00:51:57
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And I remember my entire face got windburned and like skin was peeling. My parents saw me three weeks into all days and they were like,
00:52:06
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what's Okay. Well, okay. So I'm over there taking a water break yes we were taking a water break with the jugs that my daughters were used in their drum car years. Yeah. coats Austin.
00:52:20
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ah po color atin Some color coordination. I do remember going through the parades when I was marching and they were like, it's the troopers from Casper, Wyoming. I was like, why are you talking with your whole mouth? Like,
00:52:37
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ah Boston's such a cool place. Okay, so on this list, so like when I was marching, I thought I was done. I was like four pairs of underwear. I know they say two weeks worth, but I think I can do four and I'll just shower with the underwear at night and let it dry. at like It kind of worked for all days because you're in the same place.
00:52:55
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It does not work on tour. ah That first year was bad. I also did not bring a bed and I did not have the money to like get an air mattress. So I snuggled my entire mattress. What's that?
00:53:07
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Right, exactly. We didn't have any of that luxury stuff. Well, you know, these new kids, we're just softer than... I remember one time in one of those tours, somebody forgot to pack their clothes.
00:53:21
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um never the whole i mean They had one pair of sweatpants that they wore the entire... Summer. Oh my God. I bet those were just, I remember the person's name, but I'm not going say it. So I'm going to get out. No throwing under the bus, but that could be, what are we doing?
00:53:35
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Yeah. We had like the, yeah. What are we doing? Wearing the, you know, we had friends, I had friends that would do like, Oh, this is my, they say they want a white shirt for ensemble. So this is my white shirt for ensemble for the entire summer. And I go, that's not,
00:53:48
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You're going to get to June, bro. And they usually do. And then it's just like that musty brown that you just can't get out. And no matter how much bleach you use, it still stinks. That's so crazy. yeah What's one thing that you would pack that you know you didn't need, but you needed?
00:54:04
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You know what I mean? Like, oh, I need my teddy bear. I need my Nintendo DS. I need my PlayStation. Definitely didn't do that. I know ah we had a radio back in the day in the back of our bus and we used to make sure we had the cassette tapes.
00:54:20
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So the tapes were yeah vital to our survival. And we had my buddy, my seat partner, Kevin was actually an electrician and he took the power from the front of the bus and he made a whole wiring harness that went all the way back. Cause we sat in the back of the bus.
00:54:39
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He wired the harness from the front to the back so we could control it. and put on the tapes as we wanted. Unbelievable. So we also had a Nintendo on our bus too. We had a Nintendo. So he was electrician. That was 87, 88, 89.
00:54:54
Speaker
Unbelievable. We were playing we're playing ah Mike Tyson's Punch-Out in the back of the bus. but but ah Heck yeah, dude. That's dope. It was the best to have an electrician seat partner, man, because he could work, he could bring it all, he'd stick a fan out the window and it would run the TV sometimes. oh my God. That is great. and Yeah, now we just have Bluetooth, you know, like that's last our innovation, y'all. Y'all didn't have to fill that. We have an electrician of all towns, Las Vegas, so go figure.
00:55:27
Speaker
Well, there you go Melissa, you got one? No, I don't have one. It's okay. It's okay. Lindsay, Ashley. oh Lindsay, you got something like, oh, this always goes with me on tour. It's my favorite hoodie.
00:55:41
Speaker
It's my binky from when I was i the first time. Oh, let's hear it. I'm ready. um So there's this old Color Guard movie called On the Starting Line.
00:55:53
Speaker
hello And we started bringing it on tour. And now, like like, the past two years, they always requested that I bring the movie back on tour. oh my gosh. Because it's really funny. It's, like, because everyone on our guard bus could relate to it, but it's also, like, an early 2000s movie. So is it's, like, a different time. It's really funny. Yeah. remember the I had to bring that movie ah with me because the star, Samia, was one of our movement techs. Oh, right, right, right. With her in it.
00:56:27
Speaker
And that was a lot of fun. I'm glad that we were able to do that and that she let us do that because it was so much fun to watch together on the bus. that We brought super troopers, I guess.
00:56:39
Speaker
We, we watched different times.
00:56:44
Speaker
I think something that's really interesting is that you guys are on a color guard bus and you're watching color guard movies. And when you said, oh I saw this old color guard thing. I was like, no way. She's about to bring up cadet Kelly.
00:56:56
Speaker
from like, what was that? Hillary Duff back in like 2006 time. She did an ROTC show. People reference it all the time, but somehow I haven't seen that one yet.
00:57:08
Speaker
it's It's really cute. And every time that I do like ah like a cadet guard or a middle school, I want to do her streamer choreography um just because I thought it was just really, really cute. yeah i I swear I thought Ashley was about to go cadet Kelly. I was like, yes!
00:57:25
Speaker
lin Lindsay, do you have anything or is it the same movie? That's so cute. You guys are watching the same movies. Probably the same movie, but also when we were at c Colts, we used to wear bandanas a lot. And then when I got to Bluecoats, people weren't really wearing bandanas and it wasn't required.
00:57:40
Speaker
um But I still brought all of mine anyway. I had this huge collection of every color and style of bandana. So that was something that I really didn't need, but I felt like I needed. And, you know, it helped keep my hat and my sunglasses on my head. so And I can match them to my outfit sometimes. Yeah. Is that a Colts thing? Is that like a Colts require a bandana?
00:58:02
Speaker
Cause they did when we were there. I don't know if they're still doing. Well, I remember the funny part about the bandanas actually is that back in my late eighties, my seat partner, that was his thing with bandanas. And so we ended up all,
00:58:15
Speaker
putting on bandanas in the Cavaliers years when I was there too. We'd all wear bandanas and you know, it was just ah so funny that love it know Lindsay did the same kind of thing. And Ashley too, they both were doing bandanas, but yeah.
00:58:27
Speaker
yeah You gave me some of those bandanas to bring with too. And I brought those with me. So that was really cool. That's awesome. I asked that because ah of my significant other, my Colts, almost said cadets for some reason, Colts.
00:58:39
Speaker
And she's like, oh, I got to get my new bandanas for the season. And I'm like, why is that your thing? But now maybe it's a c Colts thing. That's so cool.
00:58:49
Speaker
That's awesome. Okay. So can we have some fun? Can we do some what are we doings? what are we doing
00:59:05
Speaker
what are we doing this is the push show where we let loose a little bit like we haven't been already and uh this is your chance all y'all to rant about something in the marching arts that just doesn't make sense maybe it's a tradition that needs to go maybe it's a habit that performers can't seem to break maybe it's something that makes you think why are we even doing this right now or why haven't we started doing this yet whatever it is this is your moment to call it out so who's got something they need to get off their chest craig you got something I've got a few things. I don't really want to rant about stuff. I don't know. I'm telling you now, this is very, very tongue in cheeky. Like we get, get a silly mind. Mine's going to be a little bit, uh, I got one. It's gonna, it's, it's gonna maybe rub some winter people the wrong way, but hopefully it's a problem them the right way.
00:59:52
Speaker
Um, and what do you got, Craig, you got something? Yeah, I have something I don't understand about the whole secrecy besides the show
Debate on Show Secrecy
00:59:58
Speaker
reveals. I don't understand it. That part. It's a little over the top where blue quotes are waiting until 1159 of the day before the show. I mean, really? I know. That's just an example. But, you know, just let it loose. It's fine.
01:00:14
Speaker
It's just Bane and Color Guard. It's not like, you know, just let it out. Tell your show a theme and let's move on. That part. We've had this discussion before. It drives me crazy, too. Yeah.
01:00:26
Speaker
And I, and I, I'll, I'll always say, well, we can't be like the troopers that are going to, they're going to unveil it, you know, on the field, they'll pull their tarp and they'll be like next year's show is this, you know, I don't know if you've seen that they post, like, as soon as they walk off the finals, they go.
01:00:39
Speaker
And this next season's show is right. I've seen that. Yeah. There's definitely a happy median in there. What's it like for y'all being at some pretty prestigious places. ah really do hold their punches until it's time they gotta keep you see how do they keep you from talking about it because like i i asked i like i have kids that march and i go what's the show i think i can't talk i may have asked a few times for that you got to what what do they do i mean definitely it's in your contract right that you can't talk about it okay well that's we'll just leave it at that i won't ask how they i don't have a problem
01:01:14
Speaker
yeah and I actually liked keeping it a secret personally. Like if I needed to, I was like, okay, I'm going to let people wait and anticipate. And it was kind of a little more fun that way for me to wait until it was ready. but You like to see people suffer. I see. Okay. Lindsay a little bit more. and I'm excited. yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah.
01:01:38
Speaker
milk Melissa, do you got a, do you got, it sounded like you tons of what we do? I'm so excited. I don't know. and I really go there? Okay. but um like All right. When I was in guard, and was in couple guards that didn't let the girls do rifle.
01:01:55
Speaker
And so I ended up on the saber line. And so this is back in the eighties. And, you know, I'm glad I had the saber experience.
Gender and Identity in Color Guard
01:02:03
Speaker
and i was in some good, really good saber lines and I appreciate the experience and it actually helped me now, you know, when teaching saber and all that.
01:02:10
Speaker
But at the time wasn't very happy about it And now it's like 35 years later. i don't know. I just think, you know, girls should be, know, there shouldn't be a thing with girls and guys who can be on the rifle line. It should be everybody.
01:02:30
Speaker
And girls should be able to be on all teams. So I'm just leaving it there. Whoa! There Well,
01:02:43
Speaker
because there was a particular team that I wanted to be in when I was back in the day, and they didn't let females in. So I was like, okay, well then, you know, decades later, it's still the same, and that bothers me quite a bit.
01:02:57
Speaker
That's all I'm just saying. ah world has evolved, and I just think that drum corps should evolve with it. That's all saying. Hour and a half north. Don't say. You know, Craig could march to the Brigadiers when they were around, or what were they called, the all-female corps up there?
01:03:14
Speaker
Oh, but. now but I don't know. I won't talk about it. Okay. I'm with you on it. You know, yeah, I talk to a lot of, like, Wintergarde people. go, oh, we're going to have an all-male rifle. And then I go, why does that matter?
01:03:28
Speaker
yeah Why does that matter anymore? like Everyone should, everyone spit. Like if you're, if they're all going to do the flag feature together, they should be able to do the rifle thing, the saber thing, the everything, you know? um So I'm with you. Like it should be talent over, you know, all the other things. So I'm with you.
01:03:43
Speaker
Let's provide the opportunity to. Yeah. you can be on the line Hold an audition. Yeah. Like do some technique with the full ensemble. The ensemble will get so much better. Ashley, you got one.
01:03:54
Speaker
I'm kind of going along the lines of what my dad said. think one thing that i don't find bothers me that much but it bothers some people is recording like posting recordings of shows even though they're already public no and i know there's like copyright issues but i'm just like if the show is already public i feel like it should be like okay to share around with your friends and stuff like that especially because people are across the country and like they won't be able to see it live as much yeah
01:04:26
Speaker
Yeah, i agree I agree with you. I think i think that it's... it We talked about it earlier. The wg car the WGI archive is gone, um and there's nowhere that we can put these DCI shows. like They're gone from Box 5 media 24 hours afterward. you know You can go and watch the rebroadcast, but there's no recordings. And so, like we talked about earlier, it's really important to get...
01:04:50
Speaker
not just the stories like we're talking about from your parents, but it's important to see the progression. So like we used to be able to go, I'm going to watch all of everything that's available um from the 1990s and from the 1990s all the way through, what was that 2010, 2011, you could watch every show that made finals.
01:05:08
Speaker
And how important is that for to two growing instructors? Where have we been? Where are we now? So we can see where we're going. We're right now. You guys really only get, where are we now?
01:05:19
Speaker
And you have to guess where we're going. You know, like it's important. I understand the laws. I understand the, everything everyone should get their pennies and all their things that they're going to get from every time you play, you know, uh, an Adele song in a, in a, uh, terrible UD arena.
01:05:35
Speaker
Okay. But, How do we keep this as educational? Because that's my big thing is dance teams can use the music and they use it under the guise of this is educational purposes. We're not stealing your intellectual property.
01:05:47
Speaker
It is educational because I firmly believe that the amount of music that my girls have heard because of going to WGI and drum corps is exponential. they would This is stuff that they would never... It's not playing on the radio. So there's... yeah They're never only going experience it through drum corps and Wintergard. Some of this stuff is amazing. And it's beautiful you know that that they've had the opportunity to listen to all this different music. And so many and it could even be the same song in eight different versions like Hope or whatever. I mean, seriously, there's different ways people interpret everything. So it really is kind of cool to see and to hear all this music.
01:06:30
Speaker
I'm right there with you. So that's a great what are we doing. Lindsay, you got one? Yeah, mine's kind of similar to mom's. um I will always be an advocate for having um everyone in the same sort of uniform, like gender-wise, if it's possible, or at least just letting the members choose which costume slash uniform is the most comfortable for them.
01:06:53
Speaker
I think that's really important, and a lot of times instructors don't ask, and instead they just give someone their uniform. um So I think just... Letting people make that decision for themselves is really important.
01:07:08
Speaker
It's true. Yeah, I think we live in a very, ah not difficult, I would say we're in a sensitive time, you know, and I think keeping everybody, like this, again, this is supposed to be an educational space.
01:07:18
Speaker
So we should be making our students as comfortable as possible. It's not only standing in the, they're being put in the correct uniform for, you know, your identity, but it's also, it is difficult.
01:07:30
Speaker
darker colored gloves and shoes. It is, you know, like the skin tone stuff. It's the, yeah it's the attention to the different hairstyles that come with different ethnicities and having a plan for those. Like we talk about a lot of this podcast, you gotta, like, if your kid's not comfortable, there's no way that they perform comfortably, you know?
01:07:48
Speaker
And so I, I, I'm with you. I think that's pretty incredible. I like, you gotta keep those things in mind or you're already fighting an uphill battle. You know, but that this fall, I have one cisgender male in the guard and I had to get a male version of the costume anyway.
01:08:05
Speaker
So whether I knew what their gender identity was, even though many of them were four year members and I knew very clearly when I measured them, I said, would you like the male uniform or the female uniform?
01:08:19
Speaker
And it played out the way I thought it was, but I just wanted to give everybody that option. Yeah. yeah I don't even, when i when I'm doing all that stuff, I don't even say fail male ah male or female.
01:08:30
Speaker
I just go, hey, there's one with a skirt, there's one with a pant. Which one would you like? Okay, that's a yeah but probably a better way of doing it. and Yeah, and and they'll, like, but doesn't it doesn't matter. Like, it really, who's it hurting, you know?
01:08:43
Speaker
And, like, it might even help tell the story more. Now you got more more pants on there than skirts. Boom, done. You know? Absolutely. And a skirt doesn't have to be girls or boys. It can be anything. And I think that's great. My...
01:08:55
Speaker
What are we doing is a little bit controversial. Um, and so, yeah, I'd love to do. ah would you, do you want to say yours first? do you want me to go? you want me? Oh, if yours is going to be more controversial, you're probably going to want close it out.
01:09:08
Speaker
So it's what, not only a, what are we doing? And I'm not talking to anybody on this podcast. I'm talking to our listeners.
Rule Changes and Fair Competition
01:09:16
Speaker
What were all of you doing that got the rules at WGI for combined schools changed?
01:09:22
Speaker
What were you doing? What were you like? What were you cheating? Well, I don't know what it is because I have, my group has been, i work in it I work in a district called Northern Valley regional district. And um there's two high schools in the district and we were allowed to combine for the last nine years.
01:09:42
Speaker
And yes, we do have two different marching bands and that's why we're not allowed to combine this year, but the other high school marching band only has four kids in the color guard.
01:09:53
Speaker
And, you know, we pleaded our case to WGI, like they wouldn't be able to come out on their own. yeah. yeah oh I have to say WGI is being really um accommodating with letting the groups that are not allowed to combine anymore to transition to independent and still use the scholastic insurance and all that. like Because I started freaking out. I started thinking, yeah oh my God, we're going to have to... Because I also run an independent guard and I started thinking, oh my God, we're going to have to incorporate. We're going to have to get a 503-1C.
01:10:24
Speaker
We're going to have to do all that stuff. Get a board. But they are allowing... the combined groups that are not allowed to combine anymore it to compete in independent, but use the scholastic insurance and stuff like that.
01:10:36
Speaker
So props to WGI for that. But like, it just makes me think what was going on all these years that made them change the rules. What were y'all doing? I will say, do you know of ah groups here in the North Carolinas? And this is where it's going to get really controversial with mine.
01:10:51
Speaker
Both of us have to do with WGI and rules, by the way. Okay. There were definitely people that were abusing the rules. Okay. Maybe we can have a private conversation about that.
01:11:03
Speaker
Yeah. There were groups that were, i it from what I heard, saw, I got to watch them perform. They did not belong in that class. They, they, they built a super group, you know?
01:11:16
Speaker
And i just, I, this is all supposed to be in fairness. Like A is introductory, you know, not anymore. I mean, you look at yeah more yeah groups. Oh my gosh.
01:11:27
Speaker
We have to create another class. Like, You're not wrong. What are we doing to make this fair? Cause it's the same thing with BOA. Like these, these, some of these groups are going out and they're, they're, they feel like they have to compete with the Avons. That's why I like the WGI wind space, you know, cause it's for smaller groups, but like, what are we doing to make this feel educational? Not even fair, but educational.
01:11:49
Speaker
Cause what's educational about a 12, you know, a 12 person guard going up against, you know, well, what used to be the rule, you know, that you can get all the way up to like past 50. You know, think about how little people have to perform in that, that they could just go on the sideline and hang out. And now a new group comes in and they've been working on the same 72 counts for the entire season versus the 500 counts of the show is, you know, I think about that a lot.
01:12:13
Speaker
You guys have any input on that? What's it like where you guys are at with combined schools? And I mean, you guys are in the Indiana and Ohio area. So it's like WGI central, right? Oh my goodness. have you guys had any experience with some of these these combined groups?
01:12:29
Speaker
No, I understand it. I mean, I get it. Why?
01:12:33
Speaker
i guess that was the argument that people were creating the super group if they were using kids from all their top students from each school. Like we used to have a district around here that had four high schools and so that they would take the top kids, you know, and then you have a super group and eight class.
01:12:51
Speaker
I mean, I understand it why they would make that rule, but it it is difficult to. Makes it hard for those groups that need it. hard Yeah. Yeah. And then now we have a group that's, they had to be independent because they were combining schools here locally.
01:13:11
Speaker
But then they're independent. And so then the kids in the area say, oh, there's an independent group I want to join. And then they can't join that group because the group says, no, you have to attend this. No, because we're under the scholastic insurance. One of my kids asked me, one of my kids said, hey, Trish, now that we're independent, can we have other people? I said, nope.
01:13:31
Speaker
Right. So, yeah, that makes it, yeah. Well, it makes it different. Yeah. It's not, it's not the same. So I don't know. It's. Yeah.
01:13:42
Speaker
I get it, but it's just, it's hard. I want to hear Joey's cause Joey sounds good. Okay. Here we go.
01:13:51
Speaker
I'm putting myself in the crosshairs, but I think I'm um ready for this because I think it is the right thing to talk about. And I think it is the educationally sound thing ah to um champion this cause.
01:14:06
Speaker
What are we doing? Creating an independent group. and then recruiting high school students that have successful winter guard programs. Oh, uh-uh. You're not supposed to do that.
01:14:20
Speaker
Yeah. The rule is that you have to get a director to sign off or a principal. Right. Now, what happens when... You have the meeting with the director. The director says, this is not an educationally sound thing.
01:14:32
Speaker
We've heard a lot of things about the culture and the toxicity of that culture. Okay. We don't think it's a good, we know that you believe in that cause, but you're believing in that cause because you're believing adults that are looking out for the success of this independent program, not the success of you as an individual performer.
01:14:51
Speaker
What that conversation does not end with them going, okay, yeah, I'll sign as a director, I'll sign and you can go do this. It says, no, I don't support this. This is not good for you as my, you know, whatever.
01:15:02
Speaker
And then they get coached or something and they go to the principal and maybe misrepresent what they're asking. And now the principal is signing off on this. These 17 year old performers are now going to be in rooms, hotels, buses, vans, changing areas with 23 year olds.
01:15:23
Speaker
yeah I don't think the directors of this independent group are thinking about that or the legalities of that. And again, it is hurting a successful group in the area and independent groups are made to support and grow and create and inspire the scholastic groups.
01:15:39
Speaker
They're not meant to cite. They're not classic groups. Aren't meant to si be siphoned from their best. gal percent yeah Listen, back in the day when world class had an age limit And you had a 17 year old that had a minimum amount of time to perform in world class or, you know, or they were going to age out or move on from high school. And then that small window and before they aged out, I sort of got it.
01:16:08
Speaker
Like my high school didn't have a winter guard. They had a marching band, but they didn't have a winter guard. So I was free to go to world guards when I go to all these places that I went to. But like, you know, now if they're that talented,
01:16:22
Speaker
They could finish, certainly finish their high school career, and they can march until they're 40 if they want to. Yeah. At least in Winter Guard. Drum court's different. But, like, you know, I've you know said this so many times. You know, you have many years, many years than I did past high school. Yeah.
01:16:42
Speaker
Yeah, I think this is this is that's that is a nerve to this ensemble is a faded glory world class group that has bumped down to open because they keep losing students. The culture isn't great already, which is why we're mostly like, OK, don't I understand you want the glory. Like we talked about, like you go see AMP and everyone's excited for AMP.
01:17:02
Speaker
This was our only world class group in the area. So everyone is excited to see the world class group. But never has it hasn't made final under the new direction and the culture continues to push people away. I don't want students that I teach to experience that.
01:17:16
Speaker
Also, and my big like my thing is if you have an independent group and you have to pull from high schoolers, maybe you don't need an independent group. You know, that part and we have enough in the area. It's not like we're short.
01:17:28
Speaker
You know, what we are short of is ensembles that care about the community enough to let these high schoolers finish, you know, and get the training that they need to perform at these. Cause we know just cause you marked scholastic world doesn't mean that you're about to kill it in independent open, you know, 1000%.
01:17:45
Speaker
So that's, that's where I'm at right now. And, and, um, you know, I wish the best to these students cause they're going go off. They, they got, they got contracted before, uh, any kind of communication happened with the band director.
01:17:57
Speaker
They did whatever they did with the principal. And now the principal has signed off thinking it's like ah and ah thinking that it's a, you know, it's some kind of rec league thing, but it's not, it is 23 year olds, you know, it is, kids they bumped down open.
01:18:14
Speaker
So like it's 23 year olds, mostly. And then the 17 year old girls, like I wouldn't feel comfortable as a parent with all of that. So um at the local circuit, we've sent tons of emails, nothing.
01:18:26
Speaker
Zero. You know, we reached out to WGI and WGI said they technically followed the rules. We don't know if your principal understood what they were signing, but the signature exists. So that's my, what are we doing? what What are we doing?
01:18:40
Speaker
Having an independent group of, obviously we came in and even filled it with real adults. Yeah. Sorry to make it so sour.
01:18:52
Speaker
I want to push on to some gush and goes if you guys are good and we'll, but we'll heighten the mood up a little bit. Okay. Great job, everyone. sector your equipment down. Gush and go. All right. We'll get you a sip there. Ashley, you're not hydrating. And we see that. Okay.
01:19:10
Speaker
We're going to talk after rehearsal. Okay.
Closing Remarks and Social Media Engagement
01:19:13
Speaker
Thank you for a great rehearsal this week. Thank you to everyone for spending time with us. The Peters family, where can we find you on social media? If you're you're cool with that, ah Melissa Craig, are you guys on the socials?
01:19:23
Speaker
um I'm on Facebook primarily. do have a YouTube channel under Caddy Craig. There's a lot of videos on there. I have like 200 and some videos of drum course stuff, marching band stuff, winter guard stuff. quite a bit there. What is it called? How do you spell it?
01:19:39
Speaker
Cavi C A V I E C R A I G. going to follow. up ah ah Let's keep going down list. Ashley, where can we find you and hear about all cool things Boston?
01:19:53
Speaker
My username is Ashley spins 21 on Instagram and Tik TOK. Beautiful. Lindsay. um I'm mostly only active on my TikTok, and that is spinning.lj. And that's where you probably saw that video. I did. but um that is Where today started. Absolutely.
01:20:13
Speaker
Well, ah Trisha, I don't have to ask you that. You're on social media. um We're good. We're good. I'm going to keep pushing. Got a good question or a good topic to talk about.
01:20:24
Speaker
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01:20:44
Speaker
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01:21:12
Speaker
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01:21:17
Speaker
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01:21:28
Speaker
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