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Is the Tyne-Wear Derby the BIGGEST Derby in England?
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Iain hosts Michael in a Derby Preview, preview to discuss where the Tyne & Wear derby ranks among the biggest in the United Kingdom? We also look at Derbies past and discuss which previous heroes in this fixture would make this fixture significantly more comfortable.
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Transcript
Introduction of Hosts
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I am smiling a little bit to myself as my
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co-chatter tonight, Michael. It's far more professional than I am when we're doing these You don't play those things now, do you? You've you've got that all added on later on when you do the clever bit at the front.
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Michael
Yeah, I'm doing a experiment, but to be fair, to experiment, you need A, B test.
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So...
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Michael
You need both there. So you're still doing me a favor. We'll keep it in.
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Fair
Preview of Upcoming Derby Game
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enough, fair enough. Hello! And welcome to The Daily Newcastle. My name is Ian Mackay. I'm your host tonight. I'm joined by the voice you have just heard, Mr. Michael Grahamslaw, for this...
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Rather, um it's the Derby preview preview because we are recording a preview later tonight to put out on Sunday morning. But we need something to go out for this tomorrow morning.
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And what what better way to, um I mean, it's a big weekend, isn't it? It's the Derby. It's the first league Derby for nine years.
Significance of Sunderland vs. Newcastle Derby
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It's a big game for us, so we thought we could also talk a little bit around the derby itself rather than the actual match. I think they our next podcast will be about the game that's happening on Sunday afternoon.
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Michael
Yeah,
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But um I did see, Michael, um and I want your comment on this, that people said this is Sunderland's biggest game for nine years, and yet it's Newcastle's third biggest game in the current eight-day period.
00:01:48
Michael
yeah it's... um
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discuss
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Michael
To be honest, I've heard similar, and to be honest, it's definitely up there for them.
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then
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Michael
Maybe the play-off was a a little bigger, but in their minds, Regis Labrie said it earlier today, fans have been saying, oh, you could get relegated again as long as you beat Newcastle.
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Michael
So being in the Premier League doesn't seem to mean as much as beating Newcastle. So maybe it is their biggest game. And yeah for me, Leverkusen was... a bit bigger in the grand scheme of things. um You know, looking ahead to the future, but as a, as a jury, I don't think there's much bigger.
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Michael
um And Fulham, well, it's just nice to take the mick a little bit, isn't it?
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oh
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Michael
Fulham in a quarterfinal.
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Well, no.
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Michael
They're bigger than Sunderland.
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No, I think the quarterfinal, when we were defending that Carabao Cup, that's why that's a massive game. I want us to go all the way again and win it twice in a row. um It's harsh, but doesn't ah those were both big games sandwiched either side of this Sunderland derby. But the Sunderland derby is something that we have been wishing for for quite some time. I mean, I don't mind admitting watching that playoff final where Sunderland got battered by Sheffield United for about 80 minutes and then somehow came through to win it.
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um I was rooting for Sunderland. I wanted Sunderland to get promoted. I don't want them to stay down in their championship. I want them up where we've got six points every year for us, isn't it?
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Michael
Yeah.
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Oh, he's tempting fate a little bit.
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Michael
Yeah.
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But that's what we did say. I think that' ah championship that side that came up from the Championship, it would have been six points every year, but they aren't half recruited well and started Premier League g life very well.
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Michael
and
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and i don't think I think I'll save some of the stats I've got, which are terrifying, by the way, Michael, for our preview of the game. This is a bit of a more general look at the weird Tyne or Tyne weird derby, depending on who's playing at home.
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Michael
yeah
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Michael
playing with.
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am Obviously, very, very high profile, very high emotional, very nasty sometimes. you can get a bit bit bitter and cynical and twisted. Certainly, that's just that's just after the game and the crowd in the pubs.
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But where do you think Newcastle-Sunderland fits in relation to the other big derby games that happen in the UK?
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Michael
um That is the big question.
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don know if you were I don't if you would like to ask me if I run through some of the derby games I'm thinking about and you can say, oh, it's above that, below that and we'll get it that way.
Comparison with Other Major UK Derbies
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Michael
yeah. That works for me. You'll have got more into this. You'll have thought about it more than I do before.
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Well, I thought about it ah approximately 30 seconds more than you have, Michael. What about what about Arsenal Spurs?
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Michael
um I think in the modern day, Arsenal-Spurs is a little bit bigger. I think 10 years ago, not a chance, but two teams always in Europe, really fierce, local rivalry.
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Michael
It's one I really like. There's always a bit of bite to it. so yeah I think in the current standards, we're below the North London derby, unfortunately.
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yeah the The one from a few weeks ago was so one-sided and so tepid that that ah the crowd the crowd were dozing off by the end, were there?
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Michael
Yeah, kind of reminded me of that FA Cup game 2004, 2024.
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pa Probably not.
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Yeah. yeah um No, I'd agree. Arsenal-Spurs is a bigger game. What about Everton-Liverpool?
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Michael
Yeah, for me, that is the biggest derby in England. um Liverpool, Everton, two massively historic clubs. Everton, obviously not as good as their Merseyside rivals at the moment, but massive game, always a lot there. And to be honest, that that mid last Merseyside derby at Goodison Park,
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Michael
Probably one of my favourite games last season. Maybe overall, it didn't involve Newcastle.
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That was incredible.
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Michael
So, yeah, got a little bit of a soft spot for that game as well. So, yeah, above us.
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Was that when Tarkovsky scored a last-minute volley to get an equaliser?
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Michael
Yeah.
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Yeah. ah Strange things happen in derbies.
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Michael
Yeah. Great moment.
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Strange things happen in derbies. Strange things happen at Goodison Park. Do you remember our centre-half scoring twice an injury time to pinch a point that we didn't deserve? Who was that?
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Michael
Yeah, for the religion. Oof.
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Lejeune, yes.
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Michael
Yeah.
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Oh! That never happens either.
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Michael
I wonder what it is.
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But it does at Goodison Park. um Okay. I think Liverpool-Everton is a bigger game than Arsenal-Spurs, by the way, if we're are actually going to rank these derbies.
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Michael
Yeah. That's...
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and What about City United? That's...
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that's sir
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Michael
Nah, it's bigger than City in the united hundred percent i think and I'm not going to jump on the the man City you only have 10 years of history because they were a long time before that. But let's be honest...
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Michael
the The Manchester derby is not a bit of a joke, but it's one of those where literally Man City were in the third tier ah in the 2000s. Man United were arguably the best team in the world.
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Michael
um And while that gap has closed... It's one of those where City have still got a hell of a lot to do to catch up to Man United. The gap is still massively different in regards to history.
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Michael
I just don't think it has that history behind it to be as big as some of the ones we've mentioned there. Or, of course, the Tynewee at RB.
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Well, what ah of course, Man United, a lot of Man United fans would say that their derby was the Liverpool game because it's just the
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Michael
Yeah, exactly.
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um Would you agree with that? I don't see that as a derby, though. I mean, I know there's games where there are rivals. You know, um Tottenham going to play at Man City is a game where there's a lot of rivalry and Man City are always beaten at home by them for some reason.
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Michael
yeah
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and But it's not a derby. Do you think Man U Liverpool's a derby?
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Michael
It
Rivalry of Liverpool vs. Manchester United
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Michael
is for me. It's probably the only other one in England ah that is bigger than the Tyne Weir for me. Two of the biggest clubs in the world, the two best clubs in England historically.
00:08:24
Michael
And to be honest, two very, very big fan bases that always go head to head. There's always a decent atmosphere. And there's always goals in those kind of games. I remember when Salah is one of the the big names that's been talked about this week. He always has a great game against my United. It's always entertaining.
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Michael
And I think it's it's one of those. It's like El Clasico in Spain, Barcelona or Real Madrid. now When the big guns go head-to-head, historically, it's a feisty affair. And for me, it is one of the biggest derbies in England.
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OK, what about, so well, i don't know. i think we might have already talked our way out of this, even being considered. But two teams from the same city, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, that's a bit of rivalry. That's a bit Newcastle-Sunderland-y.
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Michael
Yeah, it's that's one of those that is much higher on the list, probably, than either of their club's merit. Just because that one city being shared, um it's always, again, it's another one that's just really, really fierce.
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They
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Michael
The two sets of fans hate each other. I'll be honest, my knowledge...
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say to you
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Michael
then My knowledge of the rivalry between them, it's not as good as what it probably should be. um All I know is every time they play each other, every single time they kick off, and it's always fun to see on social media. um But they are two great clubs, two very historic clubs.
00:09:53
Michael
It's definitely a top 10 derby and in in the United Kingdom, but I don't think it's as big as big as Newcastle and Sunderland for me.
00:10:03
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Well, talking about fans that have no time for each other, I think it's a bit contrived, but it it but it is definitely a derby because it's known as the A23 derby.
00:10:14
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What about your Brighton and Crystal Palace game? A lot of needle there from managers and players that have played for both. I think that's where it stems from. Alan Mullery springs to mind, I think.
00:10:25
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That's a long time. It's even before my time, that, Michael, so you'll have to go and look it up on Wikipedia. But that...
00:10:31
Michael
Probably, yeah.
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That is much anticipated in the days beforehand, and it is fiercely contested. And there's a lot of bragging rights between the two teams.
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Michael
Yeah.
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Michael
Yeah, 100%. I think one of the things I've seen from opposition fans is, obviously, I see a lot of stuff about Newcastle in the Carabao Cup in relation.
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Michael
I get the same about Crystal Palace in the FA Cup. And every single time, it's Brighton fans going, Well, they didn't play anyone good until the final, did they? And it's like, really?
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but
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Michael
used to all it You're being this petty about one of the best FA Cup wins in history? But I guess we would be the same if Sunderland won the the, was it the FA or the Carabao that we're in against City 10 odd years ago when Yaya Toure had a brilliant game.
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Thank you.
00:11:17
Michael
So I guess we would be the same. I wouldn't say it's a massive derby, but it is one that, you know, you mentioned it there. It is pretty face. I don't know if a lot of that is just online pretty face.
00:11:31
Michael
Everyone's hard behind a keyboard. um But then when it comes to the atmospheres, let's be honest, Brighton, the Amex, isn't really one that you get a very hostile atmosphere at, is it?
00:11:43
Michael
Selhurst, a little bit different.
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know
00:11:46
Michael
But I think Brighton maybe let the lets the side down on that derby, I'm afraid. think if it was two Crystal Palace, it'd be war, but nah.
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well
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Well, the other team, if we're going to go on on hostility of the crowd, then you could have Millwall against half a dozen other London teams, couldn't you?
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Michael
Millwall-West Ham has to be ah there or thereabouts. I would love to see either West Ham drop down to the championship, which, to be honest, seems the more likely, or Millwall get promoted, just to see Millwall-West Ham.
00:12:18
Michael
Because I think that twice a season, I'd love that, mate. I think that would be absolutely brilliant. um not Not for some the services.
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All police...
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Michael
The police and the ambulance services would have hell of deal with it.
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Yeah. All police leave would be cancelled that weekend, I think. Yeah, for sure.
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Michael
Yeah.
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Well, so, my little trump card, if you like, because I think we've got we've got a little hierarchy there now, haven't we? got Everton, Liverpool... Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal Spurs, Newcastle Sunderland, and then, i don't know, they'll then you're starting to get onto a whole sort of second draft, second draft of derbies.
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But going and right in at the very top, I think, if we just bend our rules slightly and we don't just look at England, it's got to be Celtic Rangers, hasn't
Celtic vs. Rangers - The Ultimate Derby
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it? I mean, you put
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Michael
Yeah. Yeah.
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Football hatred for more than 100 years by local rivals sharing the city and then add religion to it as well. that's got to be yeah That's got to be in there. I mean, I don't know whether Hearts and Hibs would get up above Newcastle, but probably not because they don't have massive crowds there.
00:13:32
Michael
Yeah, i um I did consider both derbies. think Hart and Hibs are definitely making the top 10. And I don't think there's any question at all about the old firm. The only thing you can argue about it is that it happens, what, four times a season ah minimum.
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Yeah.
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Michael
And it takes the shine off it a little bit. But if, let's be honest,
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It doesn't dilute it much, though, does it? It doesn't dilute it much.
00:13:55
Michael
No, I mean, I played couple of games ago. So it's ah it's one of those that's still really feisty. And I think if it was in England and they were playing twice a season, youd you would definitely be looking at it and going, that is the biggest derby in football. But because it's Scotland and, you know, they do play each other so much, maybe it's lost the shine a bit. But old firm, number one. I agree. There's no question.
00:14:21
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Excellent. Well, let's sayre close and listen to Ken, but not before we note that that's probably the only thing that Rangers are going to win this year.
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It always seems like he leaves a little bit longer on that break. Every time I'm listening to it, I'm thinking, go on, go on. Oh, he's not. Oh, he is. Good.
00:15:18
Michael
oh
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Right. Second part, bit of fun. And this might be something where our listeners would like to where make their additions in the comments section.
00:15:29
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If you're watching on YouTube.
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Michael
Well,
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um Or in fact, if you're listening on Spotify, you can do that
Ideal Former Newcastle Players for Derby
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there. Although we don't get loads of comments on the podcast on Spotify, but there you go. Michael, if you could choose one player from one ex-Newcastle player from the past to play on Sunday, who would you pick? Who would you replace?
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You've got to get the one that's... I think it's going to be close on Sunday, right?
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Michael
Yeah.
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I think it's going to be fine margins, which is the excuse either manager will use when they've lost. um So if it is fine margins, then maybe we can pick a a historic Newcastle United player to replace somebody in the current Newcastle United side, just to give us that edge to make sure that we win.
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I know there's one obvious person that we'd both pick. We'd probably both have Shearer playing at number nine. So we know that.
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Michael
puntra
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We know that. That's not what an to we our discussion is. Who else would you... You can't have Shira. Who else would you pick?
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Michael
I mean, Shearer actually wasn't going to be my number one because I'm quite happy with like yeah i'm quite happy with the striker options that we have.
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Oh, right.
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Michael
um There's a few players that obviously embody the derby.
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Right.
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Michael
and But I think one person that I think would majorly change this Newcastle United side, and I'd be going into Sunday so much more confident if he was playing, is Shear Givens.
00:16:57
Michael
So the Irish goalkeeper I grew watching, when everyone wanted to be Shearer, I wanted to be Shear Given. I used to ask if I could be goalkeeper in the playground because I i wanted to be more like him.
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Thank
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Michael
My parents had to get all the holes out my trousers and stuff and just diving on concrete.
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you.
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Michael
It was horrible. and But I was so, so confident in his ability as a goalkeeper. And he was one of the best shot stoppers. And he might he might actually be Newcastle's best goalkeeper of my lifetime in particular.
00:17:31
Michael
And I think we're all really worried about Aaron Ramsdale. All really worried about Nick Pope, um although we know it is Ram still who get the nod. And I think if we had given in goal this season, we'd be sitting top four in the Premier League and Champions League. And looking at this fixture is, aye, we're going to win that.
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Yeah.
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Michael
A couple others I've got as well, but I want to hear yours before I ah jump in any on-the-one mentions.
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ah i had say I've written a few down, but I've got Shearer given is what I wrote down when I was thinking of it myself. So I agree entirely. If you have Shearer given in goal, it takes one little bit of worry away.
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Michael
Okay.
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Michael
Absolutely.
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Um, I would always have on the bench to come on because he was the Mackham Slayer, Shola Ramiobi. He couldn't stop scoring against him, could he?
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Michael
He's brilliant, yeah.
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ah And, you know, if if Eddie Howe is going to bring a centre forward on for the last two minutes, it's not Johan Wisser that we want to see, it's Shola Ramiobi we want to get warmed up. um The other guy, because I can remember his hat-trick, and i did I didn't play for us for long enough, but I did love him, is...
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Michael
it
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kevin noble i thought i thought he um is kevin have got him wrong kevin noble isn't it nolan what am i calling noble for he was a noble geordie by adoption kevin nolan i can't read my own writing and that's what it is yeah kevin nolan um
00:18:39
Michael
Yeah, I've got Nolan down.
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Michael
no Kevin Nolan.
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Michael
Mark Nolan. Yeah, that's a midfielder. Yeah.
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possibly Joey Barton could come on with him and it would be it would be mayhem, that wouldn't it? There would be there would be deaths.
00:19:07
Michael
Yeah, I'm the call to agree with that.
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No, Kevin Nolan galvanised that team. Everybody seemed to everybody seemed to seemed to to grow an inch or two and I think he brought the best out of Andy Carroll in that team.
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Michael
Yeah, he's...
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So maybe he would be able to do the same thing with with our other young lads like, you know, Anthony Gordon, Voldemar,
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Michael
Volomar, that's actually...
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I can imagine william him working alongside Lewis Miley. love the Excellent stuff. and So, yeah, so i had Kevin Nolan, even though I called him noble. um and And I've dropped my papers because I had one other one. Oh, of course. I mean, you can go a little bit further back in the Premiership era.
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Is it the Premiership era? Is Peter Beardsley the Premiership era? Have gone back too far?
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Michael
Yeah, yeah, he play scored in the derby in 96 when we beat them 2-1 at their place.
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There you go.
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Michael
He scored the winner.
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Well, he's just remains, he remains my favourite player from the Premiership period. And I would, i mean, if you've got Beardsley on your side, I think you've got the guile and the wit to outscore anybody.
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So, yeah, they would be mine. 4-5 a side team. Quite attacking, isn't it? Jay Givening goal, Shola Ramiobi, Alan Shearer, Kevin Nolan and Peter Beardsley.
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Michael
Wow, too.
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Michael
Wow.
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Someone will have to fill in at the back.
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Michael
Yeah. To be honest, there's not many defenders you would put in from Newcastle United's past. Is there maybe an Andy O'Brien in there just to get the chant going again? But ah you're looking Albert Ferris, maybe, but you know you've got so Lewis Hall out there.
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Michael
ah And then you' you're also...
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I wouldn't replace anyone, would you?
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Michael
That's the thing.
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I wouldn't replace anybody here.
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Michael
Yeah.
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Michael
But I do the completely agree with Kevin Nolan. think it's a Kevin Nolan style player is what that team, the current team is missing. A pure poacher number 10. Someone who could get in between the lines, compliment the striker, like you mentioned with Andy Carroll.
00:21:12
Michael
And honestly, it was like roast potatoes on a Christmas dinner. Beautiful. Went together so well. And honestly, you'll never see anything like it again, I don't think.
00:21:22
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Kevin Nolan and Andy Carroll was like roast potatoes on a Christmas dinner. Excellent.
00:21:27
Michael
Exquisite.
00:21:27
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Who were the sprouts? Who were the sprouts? Sorry.
00:21:33
Michael
Peanut loving crowns. No, that's really harsh.
00:21:36
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That was That's a question I didn't expect I would be asking tonight, that, Michael.
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Michael
Peanut loving crowns.
00:21:42
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Yeah. um
00:21:43
Michael
The sprout, Danny Guthrie.
00:21:46
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And have you were any any suggestion? I mean, it the other way round... The players from the past, I am so glad, aren't playing for Sunderland. The way it all circles around there, Kevin Phillips, Jermaine Defoe, don't want him.
00:21:59
Michael
Yeah.
00:22:01
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Oh, not Jermaine Defoe, no, thank you. um I can't really think of anybody else. As long as Paolo Di Canio is not managing them, we'll be all right.
00:22:10
Michael
There is one who, in my years, my short spells as a bartender, I used to always have to work Derby Day. And I remember watching the games on the telly and being like, right,
00:22:25
Michael
There's one player who from those that team in the 2010s who I dreamed we'd picked up instead of them, and it was Stefan Sassignon. um But he's one of those, number 10, really tricky.
00:22:37
Michael
um I always thought yeah he would have man-of-the-match performance against us. um Him and that other winger they had, who probably shouldn't be mentioned on ah on any podcast, given the fact he's a wrong one and all Sunderland fans still celebrate him.
00:22:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:22:52
Michael
They're little rats they are. um But on a better note, yeah, Sessegnong was... A true, true talent who just seemed to turn up against us every time. And I'm very, very glad he isn't coming.
00:23:05
Michael
on so Well, we're not going to play against him on Sunday.
00:23:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's true and enough. And there and that the other guy, out unlicensed now, by the way, he's be's paid his debt to society, Michael.
00:23:19
Michael
I don't think you've to play against
00:23:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
ill shouldn't be Still shouldn't be celebrated, though, to be fair. Anyway, we can we finish on that? No, we can't. can We can't finish on that.
00:23:30
Michael
oh we
00:23:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll ask you one last question, which is which was nearly going to be a whole section, but there's not enough. How on earth... And we are only won one of the last 10 league derbies, Michael.
Newcastle's Past Derby Performance
00:23:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think the last one was Ryan Taylor's over-the-wall free kick in 2011.
00:23:41
Michael
Yeah.
00:23:46
Michael
Yeah. You're gonna miss. No, you won't. didn't.
00:23:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
if hed forgive me
00:23:52
Michael
i love that. Yeah, it's it's one of those. And there's been a lot of torment over the years. And we talked ah spoke a lot about, but you know, you mentioned Sunderland players there.
00:24:03
Michael
Kevin Phillips, Jermaine Defoe. I mentioned Sessegnon, the other winger as well. But the big issue we seem to have against them is that we just couldn't score in a lot of games.
00:24:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:24:13
Michael
I remember the beat us 3-0, what, three times? 1-0, three times, I think, as well in that run. you... No, they'll beat us 1-0-1, sorry.
00:24:24
Michael
and But the other games are like 1-1s, and it's one of those where you're thinking, against Sunderland, they weren't a very good team. You should be putting at least two past them ah in a highly you know a high compact highly compact game.
00:24:38
Michael
And it's one of those where maybe, just maybe, and I think this was the case in the twenty ten s
00:24:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:24:45
Michael
the derby just meant so much more to Sunderland than it did for Newcastle. Because when Newcastle got back into Europe... under Alan Pardew, it was almost like that arrogance of, oh, that's where we should be. with like sort of came back for a while.
00:25:05
Michael
And it was even um even some games where we were sitting there 17th in the table, we always had the idea of, oh, we're better than this. We should be doing more than this. We want to be in Europe.
00:25:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:15
Michael
Well, for Sunderland, I mean, we mentioned it earlier. Regis Labrie came out today and said, oh'll fans have been telling me, oh, you could get relegated at the end of the season as long as you beat Newcastle.
00:25:28
Michael
And it's like, if that's a mentality you have, I'm sure it's not the case for most of our fans. But it just shows this is their biggest game of the season. And it has been... Probably in the history of Sunderland every single year where they didn't make a final.
00:25:44
Michael
um For Newcastle, it's not just another game, but it isn't the biggest game of our season most of the time. It's a really good one, but I think most of the time they've just wanted it more.
00:25:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Well, they certainly played like they did. and Yeah, it's so and I sat through all of them.
00:25:59
Michael
Yeah.
00:26:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
a Horrible, horrible 3-0 defeats at home.
00:26:07
Michael
Yeah.
00:26:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ducanio doing in the knee slide in his suit. They are iconic moments for Sunderland fans, but they make me shudder. wish I could get my memories wiped.
00:26:14
Michael
Yeah.
00:26:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:26:17
Michael
That Jack all back on the 3-0, I still have a few days about that.
00:26:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right, that's it. what We're going to finish. We're going to finish with the memory of Paolo Di Canio doing his knee slide up the touchline at St James' Park, whilst also saying that was a 3-0 win and the last time he played Sunderland was a 3-0 win at the Stadium of Light.
00:26:27
Michael
I don't want to know.
00:26:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we'll be putting out quite a lot of players from that team. Sunderland won't, of course. But, hey, we've got half our team has got experience of these derbies. And I don't think any of their team has.
00:26:48
Michael
Yeah.
00:26:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
and You know, I think we'll be better brief for it. You know, Eddie Howe understands what's going on. He knows the score. And he knows what it means.
Conclusion and Future Plans
00:26:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Anyway, that's our derby preview preview. Thank you very much indeed, Michael.
00:27:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
um We are going to come back soon with Kevin in tow, I think, for the proper preview, which you'll be able to hear on Sunday morning. Thank you very much for listening, everybody.
00:27:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
We bid you farewell.