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Speaker: This is Quest Quest, the adventure game podcast.
Speaker: How you doing, Jess? I'm pretty good, Ben. I'm coming in hot.
Speaker: You're coming in hot? We just ah talked like ah we just tucked for an hour. i'm coming in hot off of the off of some delicious red curry.
Speaker: Ooh. Tell me more. Tell me more. the Was it very spicy? Oh, it was. It was, Ben. I went with what what many Thai restaurants would describe as Thai hot was what i requested.
Speaker: I went all the way in. But was really Thai hot or did they did they look at you and go like, we'll we'll go as as as as far as we can for an American?
Speaker: I still suspect that's the case, but it was plenty spicy. It was a red curry with beef and it had some lovely eggplant and broccoli mixed in there with it. Just absolutely wonderful. But man, I've got the spice deep down inside. You know I will say one time, Ben, let me tell you. Are you folding time?
Speaker: yes yes there are your eyes blue yeah i mean hold on yeah i just noticed that your eyes are blue yeah well you said earlier before we started that i really reminded you of zendaya and you couldn't quite place why and the answer is it's the spice It's a melange, as I like to think of it. um I'm nearly out of doing references I can actually make at this point. So I went to change subject. Ben, I one time did get legitimately, I believe, Thai hot at a different Thai restaurant. i
Speaker: I went to a place in Hilton Head, South Carolina, where some of the best Thai food in America you can find in in South Carolina. And I ordered a drunken noodle.
Speaker: and i ordered it tall hot and then i'm not kidding you two cooks came from the back to watch me take my first bite it and
Speaker: and I'm also not kidding you when I say but like a factor of 10, it remains the spiciest thing I've ever eaten in my life. Um, it took me probably 45 minutes to eat it because I was downing like an entire glass of water after every bite. Um, and just like sweating profusely. I blacked out, I think for a few minutes, but, uh, one of the most amazing meals in my life. I really, really enjoyed it was so flavorful and wonderful. Oh, yeah. I mean, i have a similar experience, which is that one of, like, one of the absolute best Thai meals I've ever had was also one of the most unbelievably spicy ones. It was a place that used to be here in Chicago. closed some years ago. a place called Rainbow Thai, I believe.
Speaker: And they like... like a a Thai menu that was like really ah time like it wasn't even like a come to our place and we have a secret menu it was like you had to like ask for it and it was in Thai and then you had to like go online and find someone's translation and then like at what each one was beautiful beautiful And eventually I'll note like this secret time menu did become just, it's like, here's our secret time menu. But at this moment, animal style where, yeah, where this, where this menu of like, uh, where, where this menu was, uh, they were not making any modifications.
Speaker: Mm. And so I had this wonderful dish. It's a delicious rice dish. Nam Cow Todd. Yes. um Yes.
Speaker: And, uh, and they made it how they make it for, you know, the, uh, the many Thai immigrants that live here in Chicago ah without any concern ah for this gentleman, this American here. My mouth is literally watering. I want to just tell you right now. It was...
Speaker: was You know, it was one of the most painful and spicy meals I've ever had. But it it is a testament to how incredibly good it was. Yeah. Was that I ate as much as I could until like literally my body could not like I was in yeah literal like organ failure.
Speaker: pain yeah what's wonderful is like when you're in that phase of eating something incredibly spicy like that and your body's just like shooting out endorphins because it's like oh no I'm dying and I need to like get this body to somehow you know absorb the shock it's on its way into uh until after you've done that for like you know 20 minutes and your adrenal glands just give out and you're now you just a lifeless husk of a person but boy that thrill when the blood's really pumping and the sweat's on the forehead ah it's it's it's truly an experience but yeah I'm coming in hot not that hot
Speaker: I, uh, anyway, yeah, just, uh, next time you're here in Chicago, I'll take you to a place. Uh, I'll, if, if, if you want, if you want to have your, your fucking heat world rocks, like I get, I get, there's multiple places where I, I, I'll, I could take you where, where you'll walk in and say, I want tie hot. They'll look at you and go like,
Speaker: All right. Like, well, fuck you up bro. Like, that's what I'm looking for, though. That's what I'm looking for some sort of like S&M dungeon slash Thai restaurant is my ideal. I mean, you do have to pay extra for the mistress.
Speaker: ah Like, yeah, kind want someone. Is it weird that want someone to mock me while i eat it Yeah, yeah. Like she, she, she, she will, she will call you names. Yes. I mean, I enjoy spicy food and I have a humiliation kink. There's a
Speaker: Jess, I got for my birthday oh from ah my my lovely boyfriend, I got an air fryer. Ben, I've been trying to get you to get an air fryer. People have been trying get me to... And I've been quite clear that I...
Speaker: and and i've been quite clear i that um i Will, like, I'm like, I just have too much shit.
Speaker: Yeah. Like me, your kitchen is busting at the seams with gadgets. I just got too much. I got too much shit on me. Like, there's just too much shit in there. Yes. And, and so I resisted. I resisted, resisted. Then, then birthday morning, uh, uh, like I see this, this massive box and like, what the hell does he have here? Like, what is this? I open it up and it's an air fryer. and and and i'm like and i'm not upset about it to be clear it was just like i'm not i wasn't going to buy it for myself right you didn't like throw it on the ground or anything didn't say god damn it you heard how i feel about my kitchen uh uh no i didn't do that like it's it's like everybody said that i would love it i was just like i'm not going to buy this i'll accept it though Um, and so I, that's very i mature of you. Yeah. I'll accept this, this wonderful, yeah nice gift of yours. And,
Speaker: uh and and you want to know what uh it's excellent i've been making all sorts of shit you can't really do anything it's amazing i've been i mean like i've been reheating things yeah i've been i've been like i've made like uh fried chicken sandwiches yeah i made like i am like i've just been doing all this shit like i and i've it has been in heavy kitchen rotation who knew eric could do this I never expected that from air. I've just been air breathing it my whole life. Yeah, which is pointless.
Speaker: Yeah, I regret it every single day. I'm breathing when I could be frying it. Every breath I take, I'm like, that's air that could have been fried. That's the last verse of the police song that they don't get to. Every breath I take. Yeah. No, it really, yeah. Here you are breathing air like a sucker.
Speaker: be frying this no i wish i was being air fried right now it looks delightful ah It's just, yeah, the the the fried chicken sandwiches I made, I'm so, so happy with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah no yeah um Let me tell you, I heated up some ribs the other day.
Speaker: And let me tell you, it was pretty good. Better than a microwave. Better than a microwave. I mean, that's the thing. I think the the the the i think the ultimate mission of all this bullshit you get in the kitchen is is just like every single thing i get makes the microwave less like less useful but never so unuseful you could ever dream of not having it as the problem like there's yeah no it's like i still need it yeah you had that popcorn it's no i have a roly pop for that oh wow you had a roly pop before an air fryer
Speaker: I had a really pop before hey a really pop is like just a, it like a, a, a thin lightweight little pot with, okay. Yeah. It's not, it's not that. i thought you had like a full popcorn stand. Like you'd see in an amusement park. Yeah, no, I, well, I do have one of those, but that's, that's for, you know, that's, that's for play acting.
Speaker: I don't make popcorn in that. I, it has like the roll roll up for candy, fresh popcorn. Yeah. Candy stripe awning. yeah And I wear, like I put on a fake mustache over my facial hair that's like long and bushy. And I wear like suspenders and the the white hat with the the the red, white, and blue band on it. And I just stand in front of it and just kind of absorb the vibes that I've created. Like no one else sees this. Not even Popcorn? Yeah, like i just I just bark that out. Maybe my neighbors hear it.
Speaker: Yeah. Like they hear this podcast every week. They love it though. You know what? A listener is a listener and I'll take what I can get as long as we're getting ad revenue from them. Uh, but yeah, we need to pause for moment and thank our sponsor Omaha steaks. Oh my God. Hold on. Let me put on the Omaha steak music.
Speaker: Ben. Have you ever thought to yourself, I want a steak, but I don't have to want to have to kill the cow myself. Like just the. No, I mean, I i have a massive pasture with several cattle. Yeah. I mean, having to kill those cattle yourself is such a time consuming act because you're going to have to butcher the meat You're going to have to clean up the pool of blood that's left behind.
Speaker: Maybe you like that cow. Maybe you've named it. Maybe you love it. And now you have to it. My cows are all numbered. Yeah. Number one. Number two. Get over here. Yeah. No. What if I told you there was a way to get pre-killed cow shipped straight to your home?
Speaker: I would tell you you're full of bullshit. That can't possibly be real. No. No, it is Ben. And how much would you pay for one of these steaks that someone else killed for you? I don't know, like a million dollars.
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Speaker: Okay. And now it's time for, and speaking of if it's porn, you didn't hear from me. It's time for an email. This week's email comes from Joel. Joel says, i was very disappointed when you changed the music for the chime.
Speaker: And I'm happy that you've brought it back. I think though, that you should consider the possibility that you you should correct even more. In my opinion, the podcast would be greatly improved by looping the music constantly over the entire show.
Speaker: Much like video games now have enough memory to ah available to correctly play tunes over every scene over every scene, it is time to modernize Quest Quest and banish silence completely.
Speaker: Yes. No, I wholeheartedly agree, Joel. You're right. think Joel is on to something. You know what I would like, and maybe we can get our tech wizards behind the scenes on this. i don't know if the people at Zencaster could make this happen or if we'd have to like look elsewhere.
Speaker: Well, I've added all sorts of incredible AI features to Zencaster. Exactly. yeah i mean I think that they've got the code base vibing right now that we need. But what I'd like to see sort of an unused style soundtrack that depending on like the seriousness of our tone or the topic that we're discussing, it can kind of adapt organically to that. Like maybe the music swells at some point or like we're getting very serious. Maybe it starts hitting some minor notes in there. Instruments come in and drop out.
Speaker: I agree we do need music looping all the time, but I'd like to make it a little dynamic. And I don't know what that would look like, but I feel like nowadays it's possible. Like what? How many how many lakes do I have to drain dry to make that happen?
Speaker: Well, the email continues. Oh, oh, thank you, Joel. On a more serious note. I first started listening to Quest Quest last fall, i was very sure I loved hearing you talk about classic Quest Sierra games.
Speaker: Led me to... Uh...
Speaker: You and... Oh, you and Jess. Uh, sure... I cared... I cared about what you were playing currently. Flooping music made it very easy for me to skip directly to the title topic of the episode.
Speaker: I know that I find you both very funny and relatable, and I love listening to the whole thing. No question.
Speaker: Maybe...
Speaker: I love it so much. i think though, the fact that it was very easy to focus on the part of the show that I was very into at the beginning made your podcast a little stickier for me. Contribute in some small part to making me a dedicated fan and listener. Best, best, Joel.
Speaker: Thank you so much, Joel. I love that A lot of what we do here is infuriating, even to people who profess to enjoy what we do here. Like that, that is a delicate note to strike and it's a note. I, I enjoy striking. So thank you, Joel, for the kind words.
Speaker: i I've also started putting if if if if if this is if this is something of like if if if you are and hopefully you're not listening to this right now.
Speaker: But if you are someone that's listening to this and going like, when are they going to fucking talk about Kyrandia 2 and not fucking the curry that Jess had? um i've I've started putting the time that we start talking about the game in the description.
Speaker: yeah you can you can look at that yeah but you'll have to hear about curry ever again in your life unless we're talking about tim curry in uh gabriel night yes or that one command and conquer game it's an adventure game so we'll never discuss it i don't know you know you're pointing you're clicking that's true uh but thank you very much joel you can send us a email at quest quest podcast at gmail.com i had like a stroke in the middle of that this one could be cursed i don't know anyway speaking of curses just what have you been playing
Speaker: Curse of Monkey Island? No, I haven't actually, but that would have been fun, wouldn't it? um Ben, i have recently stumbled on a genre of games that I didn't know existed, a sub-genre of games that I've had a little bit of fun with with a couple of titles. Ben, have you played a corridor shooter yet?
Speaker: I don't believe I have. Well, it's kind of what it sounds like. The idea being you're like dashing through corridors, like a very you know sort of narrowly defined space that you're running through. It's sort of like a, usually a high speed doom type pace.
Speaker: And and sort of dispatching enemies that you come across. Oftentimes it seems like from what I have learned about the genre and this brief dalliance with it, there oftentimes is maybe not a roguelike element in the sense that it's randomized, but maybe getting hit can send you all the way back to the beginning of the segment. what What is one that you've been playing? Yeah, two of them that I've been playing, to give you an example. Tamashika.
Speaker: how you spell that? T-A-M-A-S-H-I-K-A Tamashika, which is like an anime vaporwave, psychedelic, almost. It has like this pixel look to it. Yes, very pixely.
Speaker: ah Very fast-paced, very chaotic. A single hit basically sends you back to the beginning of an area. um But it's very rhythmic. Like the whole thing is almost like a rhythm mechanic that you have to time out your attacks on your enemies. And it's really funky looking. Like your character has pale white, like,
Speaker: Wojak skin going on, and everything is pixely and you're you've got a gun in one hand and a small blade in the other that you're using to take out things that look like poorly drawn Minecraft creepers.
Speaker: ah But once you get into the rhythm ah rhythm of the game, it is pretty fun. The other I've been playing is called Mullet Mad Jack.
Speaker: Mullet Mad Jack. um Another, yeah this was more of a cyberpunk vibe, but also weirdly retro and and has a lot of this sort of corridor running. Oh, this looks, both of these games have really impressive style.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they they both have a real charm. And yeah, you're just kind running through corridors, taking people out. ah The mullet mad Jack has kind of a nice UI function. Both of them have minimal UIs, but mullet mad Jack a lot of times he's got like his gun in one hand or his katana. Like holding his phone in the other that has information to about like his health. Don't do that. That's how I sprained my fucking ankle.
Speaker: Walking and looking at my yeah phone. And shooting your gun. Well, and I was, yeah, we don't have to talk about that. The court case is coming up. I'm not legally allowed. Yes, thats I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I shouldn't even mention it on air. Yeah, but yeah. Really, really, shouldn't have talked about that. Yeah, but no, both of them are, I didn't know this genre existed. now I saw Mullet Mad Jack. Someone mentioned it to me on Blue Sky, and I looked at i was like, That's a kind of cool looking game. I think I'm going mess around with that and have really enjoyed both of them. Tamashika and mullet mad Jack of the two.
Speaker: i think the rhythmic elements of Tamashika are, are a little bit more engaging, but aesthetically they're both really captivating and weirdly hypnotic.
Speaker: Yeah. It's really cool. Yeah. think you might like, i mean, they're very simple. They have that do, they have that great early shooter vibe, like, right. a doom just running gunny sort of feel only there's not really level exploration in the way you would find in doom it's you know this is this is funny because this might be the most like game that i would say is yeah i'm playing absolutely thought that when i picked these yes like ah like dropping especially because it's like
Speaker: I'm also ah generally like on top of like these little micro-genre indie things. yeah And I'm sure that I've seen someone post about corridor shoot shooters because I'm online too much.
Speaker: But i like this is just totally... Yeah, it came out nowhere for me, too. And I will say I was really proud when I was like playing these this week and thinking I can talk about this on Quest Quest. Oh, yeah. You're like, finally, I'm going to have something cool to It's going to sound like a Ben game. I'm like, you know, nobody's going to ever have heard of this. It's got funky retro aesthetics. And, you know, yeah, I was I was super excited. Now, both of these are probably smash hit games. We're going find out that like every listener writes in. It's like you haven't been playing Mullet Magic. That was game of the year. at uh at jeff's award show m i mean it you know it has a fair amount of of the steam reviews but i would say enough for it to be obscure obscure but yeah they're pretty cool that that's that's why i've been playing ben what have you been playing well um
Speaker: So recently, ah here in Chicago, uh, like a, a couple months ago in the suburbs, some, uh, guy who has ah very large,
Speaker: ah pinball collection or something like that I don't know but ah like it just opened up in like a large like I don't know if it's like a warehouse space or whatever but like in this large space opened up this pinball arcade that has over 130 and thirty games wow and ah so ah Recently, ah i ah my my boyfriend and i hopped on ah hopped down the train out to the Burbs out there. It's this place called the Pinball Capital to check it out.
Speaker: And it was amazing. Wow. um it It was this really, really impressive collection. The games were in very good shape.
Speaker: And they had games from like... I would say probably the oldest thing they had there was probably, I think maybe they had something in the sixties, but like a couple things from the seventies, a lot of stuff from the eighties and then like ah onto today.
Speaker: uh a really really really impressive collection of like a ton of like and including like a lot of stuff that you don't generally see outside of like kind of conventions where characters like was there anything you'd never had a chance to see before that you got to experience while you were there yeah so this is what i'm building up to because okay i want to like so of all the stuff there There was one game in particular that really like caught my fancy. Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker: Guardians of the Galaxy pinball is fine. It's not great. When certainly when travel like know it would certainly when travel out to the fucking suburbs for Guardians of the Galaxy. It's a totally OK. Pinball game. But who are you Ferris Bueller?
Speaker: Yeah. um But no, it's this game. i And I'll note that the effect that this game had on me was clearly not unique because it was the, as far as I could tell there, and I believe they just added added this game. So, but as far as I could tell, it was the only game there that had a sign which said,
Speaker: one game at a time please so other people can play this like once you've concluded your game please walk away and move on to something else there's a match other people can continue your current game well you the the the place uh you you pay ah a 20 entrance fee and so everything is on gotcha um And it's this game that came out last year called Winchester Mystery House.
Speaker: Oh. Oh. It's by this manufacturer called Barrels of Fun, which is a ah relatively, like, not even relatively. It's a pretty new a pinball manufacturer.
Speaker: Um... And they've made, I believe this was their third game that they've made. And and I've played the the other two. Their first game was Labyrinth, based on the film.
Speaker: um And I thought it was interesting. I didn't it i thought it did a lot of cool stuff, but i like I played and I was like, ah, it's fine.
Speaker: And then their second game was Dune based on the new Dune movies. And that also is like gorgeous. Like the, the, the games that this manufacturer has made the, uh, these three and they have another one.
Speaker: bafflingly about bon jovi uh next which that makes sense that's where you go that's where this looks amazing let me just say listeners you have to google this it has like ouija board haunted mansion kind of vibes this is an incredible looking pinball table it is it is really beautiful it is like striking to look at i bet yeah and that in that that's that's true also like the dune game is very strange to look at i just didn't find it that much like i thought it was fine to play but all the sand slows down the ball yeah the the sand so it's covered in sand um
Speaker: but But this one, um like a shot great and it was beautiful and it had all sorts of really fun tricks. They had like this like half silver projecting projector onto plastic so like it looked like there were ghosts flying around in this back area. yeah That looked really cool.
Speaker: They have like this, this thing in the back also where it's like this rotating, ah like there's a turntable that has like different routes for the ball to go. So it's like, you know, like a secret, you know, like it, it has all sorts of fun little tricks and traps in it.
Speaker: Mm hmm. Operation Trick Trap. Yeah, exactly. It's a real Operation Trick Trap. It is absolutely one of the most impressive. And like the the the thing is, is that like right behind...
Speaker: Like if you turned around from Winchester Mystery House, there were the like, uh, uh, there was the brand new, uh, Sonic the Hedgehog pinball machine, which also has all sorts of bells and whistles is from this manufacturer Jersey Jack. And it's fun. It's a fun game. It's really cool.
Speaker: But this game, Winchester Mystery House, like it just, blew me the fuck away it was at photos of it it looks like the impressive experiences i've had playing a pinball machine a long time yeah it almost looks like they're doing like a pepper's ghost effect to to like project those in it yeah i mean it looks that's i was saying yeah yeah it looks incredibly cool it like and and to be clear Like, you know, and I love a lot of ah current like ah pinball machines. Like, as I said, the Sonic Hedgehog one, it's really great. The brand new Transformers one is a ton of fun.
Speaker: This just like kind of I was like, oh, man, like it's really fun when somebody finds a way to do something special and unique um with with it.
Speaker: Um, and, and this did did that, um, the, uh, the, the annoying thing about this company, and this isn't like, you know, a knockout, like, is that they do kind of limited runs. Like, I think they only made like 500 or like 500 something of these. They didn't make a lot of these.
Speaker: So, I think so. Maybe I'm wrong. How many let me how many Winchester ah mystery house pinball? Yeah, pinball. Google how many Winchester? Yeah, 525.
Speaker: Wow. um Like they they keep ah they they keep their ah their manufacturing runs pretty low. um And, uh, and so like, I, you know, and I, like I uh, like I assume, you know, they might just only have the capacity to make so many, it's very difficult to manufacture a large complicated pinball machine.
Speaker: um but, but what is like that, that does mean that if, you know, you're not someone with over $10,000 to ah ah to to spend on a luxury toy, you have to you know, find like some someone who is like, I like I own over 100 pinball machines and I am opening a warehouse. ah I own a mansion and a yacht.
Speaker: um You know, Ben, I have my own pinball gripe. Oh, yeah. I'm coming in hot about this. said was coming in hot about the curry. But really, I think that was just displaced heat.
Speaker: This past weekend, I was in Port Huron, Michigan. And my my daughter spotted an arcade and like we were driving by and she's like, Dad, hit the brakes.
Speaker: It's an arcade. It caused a five car pile up. Absolutely was worth it. We went to the arcade and we both love an arcade. Got in there. um Went up to a stern pinball venom table.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. And it ate my credits. Well, you just did. Now, I know the answer to this question. Did you go up and like to somebody at the arcade and say like, hey, it ate my credits. So they they gave you your quarters or tokens back.
Speaker: No, no, Ben. i yeah know Yeah, I knew it was a, the only person working there was this teenage girl who's like, she's about ah three months older than my 13 year old daughter. I'm not going to go up and like demand my 75 cents. No, she was there to look at her phone. I watched her. That's why she's just sitting on a couch. She wasn't even behind the counter. She's on like a lounge area. Just like looking at her phone. She didn't say hello. When we came in, we were the only people there.
Speaker: I couldn't bother her.
Speaker: can't go do that, Ben. I'm not a monster. What was the name arcade? going to make a call. Oh, gosh. Yeah, I mean, someone's got to. I will say, here's what's really bad, though. During this arcade stop, my daughter and I played a little bit of Guitar Hero, which she had never played before. Yeah. And...
Speaker: I did after that experience start looking at eBay to see how much it would cost me to acquire, uh, to reacquire a guitar hero. I say, cause I used to have one.
Speaker: Yeah. What if I had it again? Listen, I, my old roommate at my old place, uh like one day got bit by the bug like he was just like his name yeah Peter Parker yeah he died of the venom of the venom table but uh uh you know one day he was bit by the bug and he like went on eBay and he bought like the massive full box rock band you know like everything
Speaker: Yeah. I want the drums. I want the keyboard. I want the xylophone. Anything they'll sell me. Yeah. Got the, the, the harmonica French horn. Oh my God. The rock band French horn is so good. You know, people say it's no good, but then yeah you're playing Penny lane and all of a sudden it's like, thank God i have a French horn. Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker: Um, but yeah, the, uh, uh like you know he gets this massive box and then it just sat on top of a bookcase for all i know it's still like because he still lives there for all i know it's still there could you reach out and see if he's uh interested in parting because If he's interested in moving it from one place where it's never played to another one halfway across the country, I will play it. i am going to play it. Yeah.
Speaker: I used to play it all the time. I loved it. So did my old roommate. I would put on, I would put on date with the night, uh, by yeah. Yeah. Yes. And I would just like live all of my rockstar fantasies.
Speaker: Can I go back there? You can't go back. No, I know I can't go back. I'm not that person anymore. That person's dead. Yeah, he's dead and in the ground. Yes.
Speaker: He's a mill for worms now. But you know what will always live in my heart? The game. i ah Legend of Chirandia 2 colon The Hand of Fate. Oh, you mean Fables and Fiends colon Fiends.
Speaker: The Legend of Kyrandia, book two, dash, Hand of Fate. I'm just enjoying the Morning Mist Valley tune.
Speaker: Some really terrific music in this game.
Speaker: So, so Jess, I know this is a favorite of yours. And I know it's a favorite not only because You have said this to me. You said, ah Hand of Fate.
Speaker: love this game. Love this game. said this to me. I love this game. But also, i could tell that you were really excited about this because for a period of about a half hour today, in our group chat with Grayson, you just kept posting...
Speaker: more gifts from from this game but let me let me open this up let me open it up this uh uh uh this this chat here how many did you did you make these gifts did you know i stole them from lp archive.org okay an archive of let's plays three four five Okay. So you share they're very good gifts though. They, they are good gifts. I, I will say, I thought that you were just so excited, like playing this game again, ah that you were like, I, I moved to make animated gifts specifically for the purpose of sharing them with Ben and Grayson. Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, i would have, but you know, gifts are so hard to make. Yeah. I was actually impressed. I was like, Jesus. No, I'm just good stealing other people's gifts. Um, yeah. Shout out to, uh, LP archive.org. Let me see who the actual creator of these is. Now that we're mentioning them, let's see that LP archive.org is a fun, uh, website. If nobody's, there's some really cool,
Speaker: I think that's mostly like something awful threads. Oh, really? I'm pretty, if I'm remembering correctly, if memory serves me right. Yes. um the The creator this is HyperCrabTank, who does some of the the best ah best work out there on Kyrandia Let's Plays. All of the LP threads on this website were originally posted on the Something Awful forums.
Speaker: Fabulous. I had no idea. Well, there you go. Yeah. But you know what I remember is a really good one ah before we we move on ah on here. I really enjoyed they had one...
Speaker: for oh what's that dog shit amazon game guardians amazon guardians guardians of the amazon or flat of the amazon queen uh uh guardians of the amazon and okay or what the guardians of eden amazon guardians of eden yeah yeah yeah that's a really that's a really good one uh
Speaker: And let me see. I remember this was on Something Awful back back in the... If they have this one. Do they have... they Somebody did ah this video one.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it's... Yeah, there's there's a video one of trespasser. oh Back in the day, you know, watch me find out that like it's deeply offensive in variety of ways because this is like old something awful. pis Ben fully enforces whatever he vaguely remembers about this. Let's play video.
Speaker: But I seem to recall that this was that I remember enjoying this. Let's play, which i began April 5th, 2008.
Speaker: So beautiful. As what is I said, you love. i yeah. You know. That's true. Yeah. The end of the Bush era, which I know was tough on you.
Speaker: yeah um but anyway so jess i'm gonna drop on you my kyrandia 2 hot take okay because i'm curious i i i have qualifications to go with my love of this game so and let me hear your hot take ben I'm going read literally what I wrote this morning as was preparing. Okay. Preparing. i Like this was just a note that Kyrandia 2 the least interesting Kyrandia to me because it's very unremarkably good.
Speaker: It looks great. It has a wonderful protagonist, strong voice performances, in general, in yeah in general, emphasis on this, competent puzzles and a fun mechanic.
Speaker: That all said, there's nothing particularly compelling to me about this game. The other two Kyrandias feel considerably more ambitious and both majorly miss their ambitious goals. Where this has more modest aims and hits them.
Speaker: And for that, I'm kind of like, yeah. I think I would agree with that. I mean, this one, I mean, let's talk about Kyrandia one. We've done an episode on Kyrandia one earlier in the podcast. It's been a while back. A long time ago. Yeah.
Speaker: But our take on Kyrandia one was that it ends up being kind an aggressively boring game. It's very pretty to look at. Um, Brandon, the protagonist is a real dweeb, uh, just, uh, uh, a real charisma suck, uh, of, uh, of that game.
Speaker: And our takeaway in general was it had some really frustrating bits like the, you know, the fireberry maze and some things like that. But it was an attempt to do something of the scale of like a big King's Quest style adventure straight out of the gate, which is ambitious. And, you know, it took Sierra a while to really lock in a good version of the King's Quest formula.
Speaker: And then three, which we haven't talked about, you know, which goes big. I know that one is... honk about And I know that one is near and dear to your heart. I've not played it. still need to play three. Yeah, you're going to hate it. I watched your playthrough and I did hate it. um But hey everything... i mean, yeah. I don't like anything about it. I don't like the way it looks. It's it's a bad game that I love.
Speaker: But again, it's very ambitious. This one... I think feels like more of an attempt to like, what if we did just sort of a lighthearted LucasArts game with more fourth wall breaking and comedy and make a little lighter and zippier. And they mostly do that. It, I think they're successful on that mission.
Speaker: I feel so terribly unfair to this game because it's just like, to be mad that it's good.
Speaker: I like the bad games that could have been good better. Yeah, no. Like, ah go ahead. I think my take this time around, going back and playing it,
Speaker: was I realized I had forgotten most of the details of the actual plot because they seem relatively inconsequential. Kind of like the, like you know, a couple weeks ago when we talked about Sam and Max, it's like, I always forget what Sam and Max is about. I wrote about Sam and Max.
Speaker: is plot and this plot too in my notes. Yeah, no, I mean, just like I always yeah that's like thought, I don't really care about Sam and Max's plot. It's utterly forgettable, but it's a wonderful game because the charisma of the protagonist, this absurd world they live in and everything else is so good.
Speaker: I'm not saying that. the writing in Kyrandia 2 is of Sam and Max quality. But I will say Xanthia is such a fun, sassy character that for me, I think she's doing 80% of the heavy lifting for why I love this game. And the other 20% is just sort of how it looks and sounds. I still find the story, the puzzles kind of forgettable. The mixing potions in your cauldron mechanic is kind of a fun adventure game concept.
Speaker: It's not bad. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I think Xanthea is also helped out by the strength of the voice performance. Yes. Like, there's real...
Speaker: the like there's there's a real um like very engaging, like kind of spikiness and exasperation that that performance has, which is really like, which is really funny and engaging to me.
Speaker: And like, I, I think that, Like so much of when I i think about the, ah like when I think about Xanthia and like her character, to me, it is so much this voice performance, which is, I think, just exceptional.
Speaker: Yeah, the the performer here is is Bonnie Lynn Toops. And her IMDB lists the role of Xanthia and a role as Funster Larry in Kyrandia 3 as the extent of ah of her
Speaker: I think a lot of, like, let's go to Moby Games to to see I think there's some amount of people there that are just, uh, like they're, they're people around the offices at, at Westwood, but yeah, no, she's just listed when I look on, um, when I look on, uh, uh, Moby games, those are also her only like, uh, the, the two Kyrandias.
Speaker: Um, and I don't see like her listed as like, you know, programmer or whatever. How amazing is it that Moby games also lists this game as fabling fiends colon in hand of fate and does their official name for it doesn't include Kyrandia.
Speaker: But Kyrandia three is called the legend of Kyrandia book three. um Boy, this series, huh? It's, it's, it's very, it's very weird. If you take a look at the ah box, like the first box that Moby games displays,
Speaker: There's, and I remember when I streamed this a very long time ago, um like we we had a ton of, like we had a lot of discussions about like that the box and the very weird marketing for this game.
Speaker: um Like, so this this this box, which I invite you, ah the listener, when you have a moment to to go on to Moby Games and and look this up. is what I would say is like the most like ninety s Pomo game box that has ever existed. yes it It has nothing on it that really suggests that the game itself, it truly seems embarrassed of being a video game.
Speaker: Like it is like images of a hand in purple and gold. and like, I, I don't even know if I could really describe it other than to say, this is like intensely nineties. Yeah. It has the look of like,
Speaker: weird video editing you might see on MTV in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah. like To me, what I would call real MTV estate, like i also associate it for some reason, like I feel like maybe it's just the purple. I feel like some princes media in the the the artist Prince ah during this era kind had this vibe is extremely 90s. But then there's also like for the CD-ROM release,
Speaker: more of like a cartoonish big headed xanthi like straight like straight down the middle this is an adventure game kids extremely conventional this is the one i remember yeah that's the one that i associate then europe has there it's called fables and fiends and it has like a tarot card style box art which seems really odd and out of place And then there's an amazing Japanese version for like the FM towns and the PC 98 where Xanthia gets turned into like a and wow yeah girl. Yes, that was that was kind of fantastic. But also, and I can imagine why that would help sell the game. And at least it looks more like
Speaker: legend of Kyrandia than the tarot cards or the weird purple hand version. But all of them are mystified and and the advertising for this one's weird. Like the tagline they went with to advertise this game.
Speaker: um First of all, most of the ads looked like that first weird abstract box with the funky nineties hand, but the tagline they went with was kiss conventional logic. Goodbye.
Speaker: And then it was like a wall. When you're getting an adventure game, Yeah, the air everybody always thinks it's like, I hate how adventure games always offer me reasonable, logical solutions to simple problems. I want a game that causes me to have to give up on logic to solve these puzzles. And i don't even know this game really asks you to do that.
Speaker: I mean, the puzzles are whatever. I don't know. It's a weird way to try to sell a game. i mean, why didn't they do what they did with the first game and basically try to trick people into thinking it was a King's Quest game?
Speaker: There's another thing. If you look at the kiss conventional logic, goodbye. ah And is that it also mentions this thing that to my knowledge is absolutely not in the game, which is the new state of mind system yeah along with superior intuitive interfacing enables you and over 50 characters to change your mind, mood and mayhem based on preceding events.
Speaker: To the best of my knowledge, that is not in the game or it is happening at such a backgrounded level that no way impacts in an obvious way the story that it might as not well exist at all.
Speaker: i I think that the, like, I'm i'm so fascinated by these Kyrandia games because they all seem like, it it seems like all three of them ah it came out in a way, where like all all three of them had ah considerably more like you know, more planned for them than you actually got, which is what I was talking about at the beginning.
Speaker: It's just that this is the one that came out like the most good. They were able to just be like, all right, we'll just make a conventional adventure game. no problem. I think that the and change your mind system or whatever state of mind or um i think that is probably like it's seems to me kind of similar to malcolm that's what i was going to say system yeah third game like that was probably their like you know they they couldn't put that they couldn't figure it out for this game but then they they put that like and and i say this having
Speaker: absolutely jimmy didn't write about yeah so i don't know anything about it yeah this is all a mystery to me this could have been made by aliens for all i know how how would i find out otherwise yes and the kyrandia subreddit isn't as active as you might wish yeah yeah yeah jess what is the plot of fables and fiends hand of fate Okay.
Speaker: Kyrandia is disappearing, Ben. Okay. i ran Piece by piece, tree by tree, rock by rock, pieces of Kyrandia are disappearing. So we gather together the mystics who we learned a little bit about in the first Kyrandia game, and they are going to get to the bottom of this problem. And they task Xanthia,
Speaker: with traveling to the center of the earth to to retrieve an anchor stone that they believe will save kyrandia from utter destruction or other catastrophe and along the way she stumbles onto maybe something more dangerous than that
Speaker: what is it like you know have you ever had hamburger helper Yeah. You know that oven mitt that's like the mascot for Hamburger Helper? Uh-huh.
Speaker: Basically, it's trying to destroy Kyrandia now and you have to stop it. Spoiler alert. Yeah. So, okay. theres you If you're an international listener, Hamburger Helper is like... Well, you know hamburgers. You know hamburgers. Sometimes you need a little help.
Speaker: Yeah, you basically shake some of this seasoned packet on some hamburger meat, and you you just you just like saute it right up, and it's delicious. Or eat it raw.
Speaker: Eat it raw. You can also do that. That's how, after Ben kills a cow, he can't wait to cook it. He's got to get straight to that. But... Basically, their mascot is an anthropomorphic glove, an oven mitt, white, ah much like this. This is more of a magician's glove. And all fairness, it's not a note here, which is I forgot until I revisited it for this.
Speaker: how funny it is when ah in the the intro like the intro cinematic which looks spectacular this whole game great looking spectacular yeah but like the the interest uh uh cinematic especially looks you could tell they they really wanted to wow you with it um There's this scene where the the titular hand of fate is doing this, like, proposal to, ah like, you need to find an anchor stone.
Speaker: And like it's holding ah like a pointer and pointing at a black ah blackboard. And you see like the the flap at the top of the glove, like kind of wobble to indicate that it's talking to the mystics.
Speaker: That's great. I totally forgot that little detail. That's so And I was like, that's so funny. Like it's just such a cute animation. It's like there's this...
Speaker: There's this glove, which spoilers, it turns out to be evil. um And ah it's the way it talks to people is just by wiggling like the the little flap at the top. It's it's very cute. it's It's a very amusing animation And animation throughout this game is really one of the highlights. Like Xanthia has a lot of custom animations spread throughout the game. I made this argument in our chat about the game earlier today, too, and I may stand by this. I think the best thing about The Legend of Chirandia 2 is
Speaker: is the fact that Xanthia magically changes her outfit on a number of occasions, either because something gets dirty or she moves into like a really cold environment and needs like a little ski outfit to wear instead.
Speaker: i find that incredibly charming and I realize that wins me over in any game where a protagonist gets a different costume, even temporarily. i just find that really fun. And the animations of her like snapping herself into a new costume magically and things like that those sorts of animations are all over the game uh and they serve it well gives it a lot of personality mean that voice performance is full of personality xanthia's animation is full of personality yeah i think that there's a reason that so many people love this character and by extension the game
Speaker: The, um, I think the, the, the, the costume changes, which like sometimes are just a straight like palette swap. And then sometimes are a little more substantive.
Speaker: Um, they, they, they serve an important function because like, um, I, I wanted to talk about this too, is, is it actually has something that like, it does something that, uh,
Speaker: ron gilbert would say is a adventure game sucks thing oh which is that the the the game is um and i agree i don't particularly like this about the game this is like kind of what feeds my my kind of blasé feeling about it which is that you move from like a hub of like six to a dozen screens And have like a couple puzzles there to another hub of, of those. Like it it is like, it's a very, very episodic game in that, in that style. Yeah.
Speaker: And usually the costume changes correlate with I'm now in this new section of the game. And I don't always have a problem. Like, I think that's a perfectly fine way to design an adventure game. Like I've played plenty of good games that do that, including this one.
Speaker: But i think one of like one of my overall criticisms of this game is that the the world that she occupies feels so intensely lightweight and has like very little cohesion.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah. like It just all feels like a lot of kooky crap. Yeah, the guards up on the castle wall don't feel like they exist in the same world that a lot of the denizens of the swamp do, much less the the sort of, yeah know, land in the sky world that she ends up in later. And yeah, it does all feel a little bit disconnected for the sake of, I think, probably creating variety. I mean, what I'm sure one of the biggest criticisms, because it was one of my biggest criticisms of the first Kyrandia was,
Speaker: I'm just wandering around in endless forest screens. This whole game looks like I'm either in a forest or a cave. And those four scenes are very generic and boring. There's a lot of empty scenes where nothing happens. I suspect switching up the environment with every sort of movement forward in the story might be an attempt to directly address that criticism.
Speaker: but it does create kind of a lightweight disjointed world that doesn't always feel like bits you know the whole like yeti abominable snowman thing at the end feels like it's its own bit of stuff it's not bad but yeti yeah like the and that's like exactly a thing like this there's There's a real quality to each section of the game that to me just kind of feels like a, like somebody just saying, and then this happened. Yeah. Each one's on this likes done a little vignette. It's very episodic in that sense. It's like, now it's time for Xanthia's adventure at the center of the earth. And this is going to the tone for this bit of it.
Speaker: Yeah. Like I, and, and none of those episodes feel particularly connected other than you have the goal of getting this anchor or then eventually stopping the hand. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: like spoiler alert that's also a wild goose chase that you get a rug pull on uh you know itself like the whole anchor stone thing you know which is a ah bad storytelling technique but i'm not sure it was particularly compelling to start with and then the twist isn't particularly compelling either Well, the the game is like, you know, in as much of as as it's a twist, like the game gives away pretty early on that like the hand is up to no good. like yeah I mean, you might as well like be turning to the camera and like waggling his eyebrows if he had them. You know, it's like, you know, while sinister music plays. Yeah, i mean, the hand is obviously going to be evil.
Speaker: Hey, Ben, hey, Ben, talk to the hand. All right. high hand no i that was like like the the phrase from like late 90s sure i don't know you never heard that before no i've heard thought okay might be before your time uh but no no i i've heard it i've heard well you just didn't laugh was what i thought was odd i yeah that's just like i think when said it i thought there'd be like a reaction like you know if i said like six seven ah yeah that's more what i was expecting yeah yeah yeah but yeah like it's
Speaker: it it like each each place that xanthia goes is like a new series of just bizarre uh like just bizarre and weird people like so it's like you know there's that that area where like uh uh outside of the entrance to the center of the earth where you have like there's all of like these
Speaker: Like, was it like they're, they're selling guides to get to the center of the earth or what is that again? i can't remember exactly what it was. Yeah. But yeah, that's got its own vibe.
Speaker: Like every, and he it none of this feels like it's any of it is in the same place. Like it just really feels to me like, it's just like, but it just feels like a whole bunch of kooky crap. Like, yeah. Like sometimes you're talking to like, uh, a crack and,
Speaker: And then other times you're like hanging out in a tavern that feels like it could be like on melee Island, uh, then you're in a kingdom in the sky. I don't know. And then you're at a ski resort.
Speaker: Uh, you're walking on a rainbow bridge. Uh, yeah. i mean, again, I think if you suck Brandon in this game, Oh, it'd be a zero.
Speaker: it'd be It'd be a zero out of zero. There's enough there' there's not much... of Again, just like the first Kyrandi, it's like, wow, this is a pretty game. And they... they learn from their mistake of things like the fireberry maze from the first game and even like lampshaded a little bit. They, they, you know, Xanthia comes across a fireberry and there's some, you know, a little quip about, ah you know, how annoying those are and and everything else. Now they always go out at the worst time or, or whatever, but then they add in some of their own,
Speaker: frustrating puzzle bits. This is a game. It ends with the Towers of Hanoi. Yeah. Not only that. Not only does it end with the Towers of Hanoi. That you have to do twice.
Speaker: Yeah. And Towers za hanoy a lot of lot you guys probably know this puzzle. This is the... You have three pegs with discs on them. Move everything to the...
Speaker: one peg without putting a larger disc on top of a smaller where we've all played, played this puzzle in a million games. What really irks me about this one? Oh, I know. Well, two things. There are two things that are me. The first one's like a bigger, than anyway it's a pacing issue. This is basically literally the next to last screen of the game.
Speaker: Uh, for, yeah. Like once you complete that, then you, you have the final showdown. yeah, and It pulls everything to a screeching halt like any momentum the game had going into its big finale.
Speaker: It's like, all right, here's something that you know the solution to already. You just have to click a thousand times. And even the clicking is a little imprecise there, which is maddening. i feel like it doesn't even work as smoothly as it should. But whatever.
Speaker: What kills me? I think this is the one that you anticipated. the structure they're called yeah the structure you're interacting with is is called on screen the towers of annoy they dropped the h instead the towers of annoy it's the towers of annoy which means basically you've got the designers of this game saying ha ha ha well you know this is an annoying puzzle to put here you know what's a better joke or a better solution that problem Yeah, something better. Anything. Just don't put it there. Or tease that and immediately like have the Kool-Aid man bust through the wall and say, oh yeah, and destroy the puzzle and then you just walk on through. That'd be better than having to do this while they're like, haha, we know we're annoying you right now. It's a it's a pretty early example of like that kind of meta joke, but also like that that meta joke is like, it's still not fun.
Speaker: Yeah. Because it's like, there was there is definitely a trend in the aughts. Definitely. Yeah. where like it definitely like it it it felt in in the odds especially and maybe it was because like at this point now you have a generation of like designers that are that have played a that grew up playing games yeah played games their entire lives and like the no games and so they they could be a little more meta
Speaker: And so it's like you've games. Like, I remember you talking about this. Like, doesn't the the Simpsons game do this constantly? Yeah. The Simpsons game that came out like during the Xbox 360 generation. Um,
Speaker: has comic book guide pop up on screen ah frequently and like point out video game cliches, but it's still doing the cliches. You know, the Deadpool action game that came out. Yeah, it's like Deadpool's like, ha ha, a sewer level. Games always have these. But, you know, i still have to play like a 20 minute long sewer level after he says that. So it's like, yeah, this is a tired trope, but you're also just doing it.
Speaker: Like, like it has to be the best fucking sewer level that's ever existed. Or somehow subvert what a sewer level is yes or, you know, be clever enough in parodying what a sewer level could be. But instead it's just like, yeah, this is a boring sewer level. That's all it is. i I remember the first No More Heroes game. I think the second one, too, but I didn't play that. But I remember, like, at the time playing the first No More Heroes game on the Wii.
Speaker: And, like, between each um between each mission, there's, like, these tedious make work things. missions that you have to do in the game kind of nods and winks at you a little bit and it's like yeah like you're just kind of it's just like yeah this sucks like we all know this sucks yeah like like so you know it sucks and i know it sucks you're just putting like and we know that you're doing this because like the the publisher, whoever said that this game needs to be like however many hours.
Speaker: Like that sucks. Yeah. I mean, this one isn't the worst thing in the world, but the pacing combined with the sort of the meta joke of it all has never, every time I've hit a play through this and reach this point, it's just, you know, it's always sort of a bummer. the...
Speaker: It's the Jeffrey's to maze at the end of Space Quest five. It's like I'm just building towards something and you had to slow this down. I mean, even there's there's a scene just a little bit before this in the game ah where Xanthia has to mix a series of potions to make a rainbow machine run to create a rainbow bridge to the final destination where the oh, I didn't care for that puzzle either. Yeah. And that one's not hard.
Speaker: It's just fiddly and time consuming and a thousand clicks that also really breaks up the pacing. Both of these are toward the end of the game. I the towers of annoy are right at the end.
Speaker: But this rainbow machine puzzle is pretty far into the game as well. And both of them are real bummers, just just bummers. And you know how I feel about that.
Speaker: No bummers is the policy we've always had on this podcast. That's right. We coined that term. Yeah, we created copyright quest quest. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. podcast to say that.
Speaker: Like, you know what's funny about the the Towers of Hanoi? ah ah on it is I remember the first time I played Hand of Fate. was probably like 10 or 11. And...
Speaker: and i at that point I done towers of Hanoi and enough other adventure games that it really what, like, I just kind of rolled my eyes and just like nailed it immediately. It's like, I've done this so many times and it's like, and unfortunately i do not have that anymore. Whatever I had like 30 years ago, like that's gone. oh yeah yeah yeah And I do not like, and so now I see it and I go,
Speaker: fuck off like just yeah make this go away like basically just want to stop playing and watch a youtube video of the final scene yeah and that's not ah i mean back then that was less of an issue but now that's uh that's a little bit more in my reach you know what was your first towers of hanoi
Speaker: I don't know. i'm Maybe Zork Zero. Okay. Zork Zero. text That doesn't sound... Oh, wait. well Zero. Zork Zero. it was It was graphical. That's right. Zork Zero is a text adventure, but it with light graphics. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. um And the Towers of Hanoi in that were were graphic. I don't... That's the first one I remember. I don't know if necessarily...
Speaker: That was the the first time, but that's like the earliest one I remember. I think I made it all the way to Knights of the Old Republic before I hit my first... nights hours off in going to Knights of the Old Republic was the first one because I seem to recall...
Speaker: um In Knights of the Old Republic, you also get hurt if you fuck it up. Yeah. Is it like a zapshoe or something? Like it's on the Sith planet.
Speaker: Yeah. And it's like electrical. and And you want to know what? Yeah. i i didn't beat I stopped the game. Really? Over that? was done.
Speaker: Yep. I was, I was like, and I was playing it at the time. So what year did a coder one come out? Would that be, Oh gosh. Oh man.
Speaker: Is that like 2004? or Three. Okay. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad. Um, did you ever go back and finish it? I've never beaten it. And then you don't know the secret of Darth Revan.
Speaker: I, I come on. I know the secret. I've played other Bioware games. Yeah.
Speaker: ah Perfect. Like, um, it's also, i mean, you know, Coder sucks to return to.
Speaker: You can't go back again. It is Even at the, the, the good news is, is that was my final planet. So I had already played pretty much most of the game. Like I, I, I, you know, I got to hang out with the funny robot. That's bad. They call you a meat bag.
Speaker: yeah Oh, did he? Okay, good. Good, good, good. You know, I got to like, I went to the swamp planet and met that Wookiee and her friend. Like i you know, i did that. Did bone down with some people? you like bone down?
Speaker: you can bone it that's uh that has a a bone down in it doesn't it have a bone down in it don't know i don't recall if that i thought that that was before bioware maybe that was just all of my fanfics don't put ah a bone in a down in a game i mean maybe it did i have no i'm to answer your question i didn't um but of course i mean i would have i would have picked karth because he's such a interesting character karth o'nasty is what star wars is all about well i call him karth o'nasty oh miss karth You know, I will say that game has one of my favorite, like, random battle voice lines ever. Like, do you remember the... I'm going to tell you... I'm going to stab you right there. I don't remember about it. Do you remember Juhani, who's, like, the dark Jedi that you can, like, turn back to the light if you if you choose do so? She has this amazing sort of, like, Eastern European, Russian-adjacent accent. And one of her moves, like, when she flips into battle, is, like, just a really passionate... i will be your doom kind of voice line that just still lives right feels like something i would remember yeah i don't that's fantastic it's fantastic man we why don't we do a playthrough of coder for an episode quest quest no it's got quests no anyways we're going to talk about that and we'll be back soon with uh hand with a that's the old republic cast
Speaker: Hand of Fate. ah You know, i like, we touched on this. it It has... and I mean, we talked about this in the first Kyrandia game, too. It has that incredible art by Rick Parks.
Speaker: And he His... His art, and I'm probably saying exactly what I said when we recorded Kyrandia 1, his art is so obvious when you see it. If you see any Westwood game from that period, they all look incredible.
Speaker: Yeah. Very visually distinct. and and And you know... Like, you know, they're coming from, like, you know, they're, they're coming from Westwood. You know that they're coming like, because, uh, like this in Kyrandia one, like have, have this really beautiful, uh, art net and, and really, um, well done opening cinematics because like Kyrandia one's opening cinematic also so spectacular.
Speaker: Um, ah But then, like, also, like, ah the the first land Lands of Lore game has some really gorgeous art in it, too. That creepy old witch.
Speaker: Yeah. ah And... I was trying to remember her name and I don't. I failed. I've never played that game. I just remember seeing her in all the ads for it. Yeah, she was all over those ads. Yeah.
Speaker: Like Bobby Yaga in the Shadows of Darkness ads. Yeah. Yeah, she was all over those ads. She was all over those ads. ah they They needed ah some sex appeal and ah a purple crone was what they what the marketers at Sierra wanted. You know what?
Speaker: Nobody did it better than Sierra. I'm actually... did they not have ads with like Katrina? Like, was it really like kind of leaning on because that's actually good. Like good on them. Like 1993 for not going like full cheesecake with Katrina and instead going like, check out this like cookie, which jokes on them. ah still got turned on.
Speaker: But yeah, Rick Parks, you know, I'll continue to sing his praises. Like, the those games, like, all, like, every game that that he did art for, for Westwood, they all look so distinct.
Speaker: And I think it's, like, he's really good at shadows. Like, listen, I'm not Ben Chandler. not, you know, like like if you if you want to read them yeah if you want to read someone you know right uh a really wonderful analysis of him i'm pretty sure ben chandler uh the the artist that does a lot of stuff for wadjet uh uh has has written about him yeah i actually saw ben's notes before the podcast and it just said art equals pretty yeah yeah
Speaker: a Um, uh, let's see here. His last. Yeah, his is quite sadly, he he he died pretty young.
Speaker: um But ah his last credit is like. where where he works, not dedicated to, um was Malcolm's Revenge. Okay. But he did, he also worked, he did the background ah art for the the Lion King.
Speaker: uh a ah game that's a fantastic uh well it says uh like i don't know i've all those disney platformers i think have like a million different versions yeah yeah absolutely i don't know it says it says actually snes genesis and dots so it says that he he he's credited for all three at least on mobi games you know it is i think this is such an important part of tyrandia though his art because i think simply through the quality of the visuals of these games, it what it's what takes what are ultimately some kind of mediocre adventures and makes them look like something that is the 1990s adventure game equivalent of a triple A game in a way that a lot of adventures that were developed outside of LucasArts and Sierra at the time simply don't. I mean, you hold this up beside a game
Speaker: like, you know, the Stealth Affair starring John Glames, right? um You know, that has a unique art style, but it looks a little shabby. You know, it it doesn't look like the quality you see in these in these big adventure games of the era.
Speaker: I feel like the art in Kyrandia is one of the things that allows it to to feel like it's part of those big releases. And, you know, it I would say it was 90% of what the first Kyrandia had going for it. I know when I saw the first Kyrandia in stores, it was the graphics that won me over. I liked that style better than...
Speaker: Maybe sort of the Sierra style at the time, the house style. And this game is a great looking game, too. I think ultimately, though, and again, I haven't played the third. I've only watched you play it.
Speaker: I think like the first Kyrandia, this is kind of a mediocre adventure that gets by on its charms. It just, I don't know. i mean, this is a much better game than the first Kyrandia. Absolutely. I mean, yeah, i can't it would be hard. I can't imagine someone going to come out of this game and not say that was at least more fun than the first game, but still,
Speaker: That's not a great game. i don't think that they're we're still waiting for the first great Kyrandia game. And it's going to come. I do want to correct myself for a moment. Rick Parks was credited as lead artist, I guess, ah posthumously ah on lands of the second lands. of lord Okay. Gotcha. Which really curious because that's like a, like I've, I've played a little bit of the first lands where I have no knowledge of,
Speaker: the the second one, other than I remember very distinctly the advertisements in computer gaming world. ah where Which, you know, like three d ads.
Speaker: I'm looking at them now. I'm looking at them in Moby Games, the the the ads. o And i was just like, oh yeah, load me up with these pre-rendered three d ah images of that goopy...
Speaker: mid 90s, impressive pre render castles and stuff.
Speaker: That's all I need. That is. That's all it takes for me. That's that. Yeah, that those visuals, there's nothing like just when you're so proud of your mid 90s 3d graphics that you're just like, that's the ad guys. That's just all it is.
Speaker: double page like this big oh let's go look at this uh i i know i'm going immediately recognize this uh this is a pc gamer ad uh in 1997
Speaker: unbelievable i love looking at this ad i it it transports me i know how the paper of this like of the magazine page feels because it's covered with ink so they can really capture this this you know this uh goofy image so good so good But anyway, yeah, like, you know, as you can tell, we're we're getting a little off off track here because, you know, there's not.
Speaker: There's not a lot of meat on this bone. There's not a lot of meat on this bone. Like you could sum it up to sense like Xanthe is a fun character and this game is less annoying than the first one, but still annoying in its own way.
Speaker: I really thought you were going to like really go all in on this, you know,
Speaker: Having revisited it, I think I realized that it's just like, I just like Xanthia. I love a quirky female protagonist. I like that she's sassy. I like that she don't take no guff from nobody.
Speaker: as a kid and today, Just give me fourth wall breaking adventure game characters. I'm a sucker for that. I, I should, I shouldn't be so easy to please, but the fact of the matter is I am characters should constantly be turning to the audience and making snide little clips. That's, that's all I'm looking for. I'm a simple man, Ben.
Speaker: Yeah, it's fine. I like my curry hot and I like my protagonists meta. Yeah. i uh that's that's how i like my social media companies that's how i like my smart glasses ah but of all right well thank you for joining us for our discussion of fables and fiends hand of fate colon the legend of kyrandia dash book two
Speaker: The sequel to Legend of Chirantia. I'm just looking at screenshots of the second Lands of Lore game and it's all this like yucky.
Speaker: Oh, it's awful. It's awful. Like mine, like Minecrafty mid 90s 3D. And then every once a while you see an FMV cut scene and I'm kind of like, do I want to play this game? i think you might. I'm looking here, looking at this, and I'm just kind of like...
Speaker: Ooh, like I see a scene of a attractive woman in some sort of fantasy leotard here. So yeah i mean, just like you're not talking me out of this. Like, Oh, here's a bar wench.
Speaker: Now I think she might be a librarian dressed like a bar. way to mix him up Yeah, no. Yeah, you know, like maybe it's like what those bars they call the library. So when people are like, Where are you going after work? You're like, Oh, the library. But you're actually going down to a bar to a drink. like these muddy, uh, like pixely VGA graphics. I mean, I, I will say one of my favorite games is Mike magic six.
Speaker: Um, which, which is a very kind of similar looking game. think it looks, um, you know what they didn't do though. They didn't overdo the Brown on this, which was such a temptation when this game came out in the, uh, mid nineties, they didn't, everything's not Brown. So kudos to them.
Speaker: like looking at like these like so it's the the chunky pixel ah like dungeons um and then like 3D pre-rendered sprites that are like 2D that probably like as you move around like have different angles. Yes, yes.
Speaker: ah But like when you get close to them, they become like just a big, chunky, man like they don't have like a high resolution version. No, you just get those pixels just get bigger. It's yeah. And I know that you like have a soft spot in your heart for a big, chunky pixel dungeon crawler. Yeah. Oh my God. I love a chunky pixel.
Speaker: I listen, i'm I'm begging, and every now and again I hear that someone is making one. I want someone to make a Might and Magic 6 in 2026, like in this decade. giveme Give me um another Might Magic 6.
Speaker: I saw somebody like posted on Reddit recently an image of like the opening area of my magic six with the draw distance maxed out.
Speaker: And it's like, you can see from one end to the map to the other very easily. Like it's so tiny, but it like it, but with no draw distance, it seems quite vast. Yeah. i mean, imagine if you also had ray tracing,
Speaker: the god race we gotta have no i mean but like yeah if you're gonna make a mine magic six in in 2026 you gotta to have like a draw distance that is maximum half a meter
Speaker: you know increasingly without my glasses that's about my draw distance All Well, this has been quest quest, the adventure gaming podcast. Thank you so much for your fruit joining us.
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Speaker: We'll be back in one week. And during next week. but episode we are going to discuss the adventure game titled Space Quest IV.
Speaker: All right, so Jess, when we talked about
Speaker: right so so jess when we talked about Secret of Monkey Island couple weeks ago. i you like you you You brought up the the story that like Scott Murphy like lost a lot of time while working on Space Quest 4 playing Secret of Monkey Island, right?
Speaker: Mm-hmm. Where do you actually see that influence in the game? Oh, that is a fantastic ah question, Ben. I would have to say probably the whole sequence in Space Quest 4 where Roger becomes a space pirate. But, you know, we never get to see Space Quest 4 because all the game is spent in other Space Quest sequels.
