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Ep 142: Shane Told of Silverstein
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Shane joins us to talk about how grew up on arcades and how that love for the arcade brought him back to pinball years later.
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Introduction: Hosts and Guest Shane Told
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Thanks for tuning into the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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I am Josh Rupp.
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With me, my co-host... Scott Larson.
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And I guess it's co-captain.
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Man, we're on a streak.
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Son of a gun.
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It's all good.
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And Scott...
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Yes.
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Black and white.
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I know you want it.
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Actually, my buddy is ordering it.
Pinball Trading and Accessories Discussion
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So I'm really I'm hooking them up with Zach and Nicole at flipping up pinball.
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So if I think it's beautiful and the good news is they take trades.
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So if you if you're like, you know, I want a new game, but I have another one.
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They'll be able to work with you.
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If you want accessories, if you need those ninja stars for Deadpool, I hear they're back in.
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Also, if you have a medieval madness and you want that XL display, they have those in too, which is a good sign because that means they may be getting closer to make medieval madness again.
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Contact Zach and Nicole, many of you have flipped it up in ball.
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They've always been a friend of us.
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Rumors have been spreading quickly like wildfire now that those XL displays have popped up.
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Well, and things pop up for a reason, right?
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Yep.
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Okay, I didn't say it, but we're on episode 142.
Shane Told's Musical Journey and Podcast
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So welcome to 142.
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I'm excited for our guest today.
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Me personally, I grew up listening to punk rock and emo and stuff like that.
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And this band's album, Discovering the Waterfront, I felt like really pushed some awesome...
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boundaries in that rock genre uh and they've just they've aged like a fine wine man and the gentleman we have with us right now drink wine so i don't drink wine but i can appreciate those that do uh so if you don't know the band silverstein you might know his podcast lead singer syndrome we've got shane told on with us how you doing today shane what's up guys thanks for having me this is cool i've actually never appeared on a pinball podcast before so this is my first uh my first one
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I know you've been doing your podcast for what, nine years now or
Cultural Differences and Life in Las Vegas
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something like that?
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Yep.
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A long time.
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I just, I think I'm at like 360 something episodes now.
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Dang.
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So yeah, it's, it's pretty wild.
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But yeah, I enjoy it.
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I love podcast.
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I just love the format, you know, long form, you know, you get really into the little details.
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I love that stuff.
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So it's great.
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Keep it a family friendly.
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Keep it PG up in here.
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No, I totally get you.
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And it's nice too, because like my job, I work a lot by myself with heating, air conditioning.
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So it's nice to turn on a conversation and listen to like, I'm a big fan of the Spill Canvas and Motion City soundtrack.
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And you did interviews with both their main singers.
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And it's, you get a lot of information you just wouldn't hear otherwise.
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And it's insanely cool.
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Well, yeah, there's that.
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And also just that people, other singers know that I know that
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So they kind of give a more complete answer to me.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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They know that they can't BS me, right?
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So sometimes we get really into the nitty gritty and I like that part.
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So yeah, if anybody wants to hear me blab more about music with other singers, yeah, it's called Lead Singer Syndrome.
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You can find it wherever you find your podcasts.
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Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
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I didn't know that you had...
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apparently a fake feud with motion city soundtrack.
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Cause he bought a terrible magician's wig and worked on stage.
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Yes, we did.
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Yeah.
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We, uh, we were on warp tour and man, that would have, it must've been like 20, 2006 or something.
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And yeah, we, we were so bored, you know, back in those days, you know, we didn't have, we didn't have podcasts yet.
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I don't think you didn't have cell phone.
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I didn't come out yet.
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Yeah.
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So there was a lot of downtime, a lot of board, boring, uh, boringness.
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So we had to make up fake feuds with people we actually liked.
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Wait, wait, wait, all the celebrity feuds are made up?
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Right?
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Yeah.
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The funniest ones are when you see like some of the rap feuds and it's like the two rappers are on the same record label and you're like, come on, you got to see through this.
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Yeah.
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It's funny though.
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Or, Hey, they showed up on the beach, like, uh, riding their skateboard and totally like jacked up, you know, after they've been working out and it's like, yeah, this is not a, this is not a publicity shoot at all whatsoever.
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It's like, they just happened to be on the beach.
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I know.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Well, I don't know if many people know this, but your band is originally from Toronto, but you moved to Vegas a couple.
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Yeah.
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20 years ago.
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Is that what we were talking about?
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No, I think my sisters lived here for 20 years.
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Okay.
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And that's kind of how I started coming here so much.
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I'm here in Vegas right now.
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I live here now.
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I've only been here for like a year and a half, actually.
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But my sister's been here for 20 years.
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So every Christmas I would visit, you know, she's got the big family and Vegas became kind of like my second home.
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So, yeah, I really like it here.
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It's a little new to me and living in the U.S. is a lot different than living in Canada.
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Like this is a really weird thing that I've you guys are from is it Salt Lake, Utah, right?
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Yeah, I'm close to the Salt Lake area.
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Josh is in dinosaur land.
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Okay.
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And this is like, I'm not trying to get political or anything, but this just was really weird to me.
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Went to a McDonald's last night to get some French fries at like, you know, 1030 p.m.
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And walk in, you know, waiting for the fries.
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And there's like these kids, like 18 year old kids or 19 year old kids probably walk in.
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And one of them just straight up has like a gun.
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Like, you know, like in a holster or whatever.
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Yeah, open carry, like in a McDonald's.
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And he's just like, I mean, these are the kind of guys, like,
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You don't know.
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You don't think anyone's going to try anything, really.
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But like they had that look about him like you're kind of keeping an eye on him.
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The guy's wearing an EZE T-shirt,
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you know, and he's got a gun, you know.
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And I'm like, oh, man, this is weird.
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This is like not something that you see in Ontario, Canada, you know.
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And so that like things like that once in a while take me back, take me aback a little bit.
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But other than that, yeah, I really like it here a lot.
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Yeah.
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I was going to say, you should come visit me because in Dinosaur Land, this is where Doc Holliday and Sundance Kid and all them were.
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And it's not unusual for the Cowboys to show up in the grocery aisle with six shooters on both hips.
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It's a trip, man.
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It's a trip.
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And I know there's concealed carry and people, you know, and I don't know, whatever.
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It's just kind of surprising to me.
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I don't know.
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That's what I'm used to.
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I will say in Utah, it's actually a very gun friendly state, I guess.
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Yeah.
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And I moved here.
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I had no idea.
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But like, I've never actually gone into a store and seen someone like with a, with a, with a gun on their, on their hip or something.
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So it's,
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Yeah.
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Well, I had seen it in a parking lot.
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I'd seen it, you know, like that.
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But like, you know, I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Like an old cowboy looking guy.
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This this guy looked like he was tall, lanky.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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You know, it was.
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Yeah, it was.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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But this was not Utah.
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This was Vegas.
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This is.
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Yeah.
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This is like this is Vegas.
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Like right.
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Yeah.
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Right down the street from where I live, you know, 10 minutes from the strip.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I don't know.
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But everything else is, it's pretty per usual.
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I like, I really like it here.
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Yeah.
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I like it.
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And the heat doesn't scare me too much.
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I think cause I grew up in like the coldest place ever.
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So now I'm like, how, like 108.
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Oh, I think we can go hotter, baby.
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Let's go hotter.
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110.
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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You know, I, I, I think it's funny and, and,
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I mean, it's like there's air conditioning everywhere.
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There's shade everywhere.
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It's like, you know, a lot of places you don't really have to go outside.
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So it's, yeah, it's not really a big deal for me.
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It's way better than the cold.
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That's for sure.
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Well, I've had it explained to me that almost every place, unless you're San Diego has like three months out of the year that no one goes outside.
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Yeah, that's pretty true.
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Yeah.
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And in the north, it's the wintertime.
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So you're basically heating your house and in the sand states, it's the summertime and you're just
DIY Adventures in Air Conditioning
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air conditioning your house.
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And so it's a flip flop.
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Yeah, that's a really good way to put it.
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But in Utah, we've decided to snowboard and ski in those winter months when you don't want to go.
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Yeah, we don't even really, we don't really even have that in Toronto because we don't have mountains or anything.
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Like there's some ski, like mini dinky ski resorts, but like, that's not really even a thing.
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So yeah, it's just like everyone plays hockey, I guess, you know, that's all we got.
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Yeah, well, thankfully, though, because of air conditioning, I was actually going on vacation, and my air conditioning went out.
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And I called Josh, and I said, hey, dude, my air conditioning's out, and they can't fix it for five days, so what do I do?
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So just in case you guys have any air conditioning issues, you can call Josh, and he can guide you through it.
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And I changed my own capacitor.
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Oh, wow.
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Look at that.
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Wild stuff.
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What was it?
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One screw, or I guess four screws and three wires, and you were good to go.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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And actually the panel, because the capacitor wasn't exactly the same size as the original one.
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And so the panel's kind of like janky back on there, but it's still on there.
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So yeah.
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And that probably saved you probably a lot of money.
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A couple hundred bucks.
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At least, yeah.
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The capacitor did cost me 25 bucks.
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So, you know, it's... Okay.
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Giving away secrets on the air.
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I know, right?
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Shane, so we've got a little bit of a list of questions here
Shane's Pinball Origin Story
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for you.
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And the first one, we've got to ask the... I know Shane or Zach Manny is going to go, but how'd you get into pinball?
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What's your pinball origins?
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What does he care?
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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The topper king needs to calm down.
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Well, I mean, I think it's like most people.
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So I'm 43.
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So, you know, I grew up in the early 90s going to arcades and stuff.
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Right.
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And just playing all those early, you know, all those like Bally Williams games, you know.
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like Terminator 2 is one I remember really well, you know, and, and, you know, just a couple of, like, I see you have a world cup soccer back there.
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Josh, that, that's still one of my favorites.
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Cause I played the crap out of that game, you know, when I was a teenager.
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So yeah, I mean, I got into it a lot just, just through, through being, being a kid.
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And I think for a while there,
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pinball just kind of like it got dark.
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You know, there wasn't a lot happening.
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You know, Stern was the only company making games for a long time.
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Yeah.
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And, and I mean, I think a lot of people kind of forgot about it.
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And like a lot of people think it was kind of around COVID maybe for me just a little bit before, um,
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I think sort of reignited my love for it.
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And, you know, all the barcades that kept popping up everywhere, you know, there's like only so much street fighter two you can play, you know, and, and yeah, just, just started getting really into it again.
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You know, you get to a point in your life where you got a little bit of money and then you're like, maybe I could buy a machine or two or, you know, and yeah.
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And the last few years I've been just, just really into it and really loving it.
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It's, you know, just playing all the time.
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Okay.
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Two questions.
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One on Street Fighter 2, which character?
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Ken or Ryu.
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Really?
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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That's my go-to.
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I was a Chun-Li.
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I always played Chun-Li.
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You cheap bastard.
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I know, but I could win.
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I could win.
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I was always impressed with people who played dull scene.
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Cause I'm just like, I had no idea how to play that dude.
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Oh, so slow.
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I know.
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I guess you keep your distance and you're all right.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But that's the point.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So what was the, uh, when, during COVID, what was the, what was the pin that drew you back in where you're like, Hey, this is still a thing.
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Pinball still alive.
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That's a great question.
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Maybe it was maybe Iron Maiden.
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I think that was that was a that was one that was that one.
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I did see that there behind your head.
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Yes.
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Iron Maiden, Star Wars.
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I think it was really only like it was the modern Stern machines that I think I hadn't seen how crazy they've really gotten, you know, in the last few years or whatever.
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And that that's kind of when it happened.
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Um, yeah.
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And, and yeah, then I just kind of like dove in and was like, all right, what's coming next?
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Like what else is out there?
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You know?
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And some of those Jersey Jack games too, like, yes, you have a wizard of Oz.
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That's, that's awesome.
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Like seeing those with like the huge screens, you know, and, and everything they were doing in the light show.
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It's like, oh my God.
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It's like, okay, this is pinballs is back like way back.
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Oh yeah.
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Yep.
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Definitely.
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Loving it.
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So did you end up buying any pinball machines or were you just kind of still hitting the barcades?
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Yeah, still hitting the barcade for a while until I came down here.
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I didn't really have space where I was living in Canada for it.
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And just my situation, I don't know.
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I didn't feel like it was something I needed to...
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have right in my house.
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And then, I don't know, I moved into this house.
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I was like, I got a lot of space.
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I don't know, maybe, you know, and then, um, the machine that put me over the top was, uh, was the Foo Fighters.
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And I, uh, I had to get, I had to get a Foo Fighters.
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Oh yes.
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Did you get the topper?
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I got the topper.
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Yes.
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I did.
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I ponied up.
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I ponied up.
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I got raked over the coals.
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The $2,000 topper, the $215 shooter rod or whatever, 227, whatever it was.
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Yep.
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I got them both.
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And yeah, it was a bit painful, but hey, it looks sick.
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You know what?
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Every time I pay for a topper, I always think, man, this is so expensive.
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And then I just didn't enjoy looking at them.
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They're fun.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I don't know.
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I know the game has changed.
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And it changed kind of rapidly, right?
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It went from like, okay, you buy an LE and you're going to lose.
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Maybe you lose a couple bucks or like once in a while you make money on it, right?
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And now it's like, oh my God.
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I don't even want to look at Pinside to know what
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what a Foo Fighters LE is worth.
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I mean, they're not bad.
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It's probably still worth 10, five, right?
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Or something, but it's, it's yeah.
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You know, it's, it's whatever I enjoy it.
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I'm happy to have it.
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So, so it was Foo Fighters like a band that you really admired growing up.
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What was it about Foo Fighters that just, you know, I think it was, I think so.
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I was always like, like you, Josh, I was, I was a, I'm a punk guy, right?
00:14:31
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Yeah.
00:14:31
Speaker
And there weren't, there's never really been any punk rock machines.
00:14:34
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Yeah.
00:14:35
Speaker
And not to say the Foo Fighters are punk rock.
00:14:37
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They have punk rock roots.
00:14:39
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But the game, when I played it, I was like, oh, this is so sick that they're touring in this beat-up red van.
00:14:46
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Yeah.
00:14:48
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The code and the graphics, even early on, was really good.
00:14:52
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And right away, I was like, oh, this is such a cool game.
00:14:56
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And the touring aspect of it, you pick a city and then the Overlord, all that.
00:15:01
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I just right away was like, this is such a cool game.
00:15:05
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And I, you know, and I was like, ah, you know, it's my first pin.
00:15:07
Speaker
Maybe, maybe I should get Godzilla, you know, but like you play that anywhere.
00:15:12
Speaker
And at the time I was like, you know what?
00:15:14
Speaker
I'm just going to pull the trigger on it.
00:15:15
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I can get an LE, which at the, and that was still like in a time when it's like, oh, are these all going to sell out?
00:15:20
Speaker
Like, can I even get one?
00:15:21
Speaker
Now it's like you get a John Wick LE or a Phantom LE like so easily, right?
00:15:26
Speaker
Okay, but you can't get a Godzilla LE.
00:15:28
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You cannot get a Godzilla.
00:15:29
Speaker
I couldn't get a Godzilla LE at the time probably anyway.
00:15:32
Speaker
Right.
00:15:32
Speaker
So it is depending on the game really.
00:15:35
Speaker
But however, I did Google for you on Pinside and you're still looking around 11.5.
00:15:40
Speaker
Oh, that's good.
00:15:41
Speaker
Yeah, so you're good.
00:15:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's still good.
00:15:43
Speaker
Well, it's a good game.
00:15:43
Speaker
It really is.
00:15:45
Speaker
And speaking of punk rock roots, this is what makes me chuckle about Foo Fighters.
00:15:49
Speaker
They're very mainstream rock, but they come from... Dave Grohl has the Black Flag guitar, right?
00:15:55
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He toured with that during All My Life tour.
00:15:57
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And you've got Pat Smear from The Germs.
00:15:59
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So I'm like, I agree with you.
00:16:01
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It comes from very punk rock roots.
00:16:03
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I think that's what drew me, too, because I have a Foo Fighters behind me, and it's just...
00:16:07
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It's an awesome game.
00:16:08
Speaker
It really is.
00:16:08
Speaker
And yeah, I hope it's not the first.
00:16:11
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No, and I've had it.
00:16:12
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I mean, I've had it for a long time and it's still like I still play it all the time.
00:16:16
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Like I still love it.
00:16:17
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And yeah, I don't know.
00:16:19
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I feel like it's falling out of favor.
00:16:20
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Like it seems like a lot of the spots here have gotten rid of it.
00:16:23
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I think it doesn't do that well on location maybe.
00:16:26
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Yeah.
00:16:26
Speaker
So some places have taken it out or gotten or moved on with it.
00:16:30
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So it kind of bums me out.
00:16:31
Speaker
It's like, oh man, I want to play this in a tournament because I know how to play it really well.
00:16:35
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And then every tournament it's like, nah, it's not in the tournament.
00:16:37
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So, but you know, no, I still think it's awesome.
00:16:40
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And yeah, I can't wait for Jack Danger's next game.
00:16:43
Speaker
I mean, I know there's a lot of rumors about that, but...
00:16:46
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um, Pokemon.
00:16:47
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Gomez said he's up next in the pipeline.
00:16:49
Speaker
So is that what you about to say, Scott?
00:16:51
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Pokemon?
00:16:52
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No, no, no.
00:16:53
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I, I was just going to say dangerous next in the pipeline.
00:16:55
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I thought the, the going rumor was, it was Pokemon.
00:16:57
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So.
00:17:00
Speaker
I heard Pokemon.
00:17:01
Speaker
I heard X-Men.
00:17:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:03
Speaker
X-Men 96.
00:17:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:04
Speaker
I heard Dungeons and Dragons at one point.
00:17:06
Speaker
It feels like that rumor's gone cold, but I don't know.
00:17:09
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Yeah.
00:17:10
Speaker
That would be, I think, a Hail Mary.
00:17:12
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Like you kind of missed the window on that one.
00:17:14
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I don't know.
00:17:15
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Chris Pine.
00:17:16
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If you got Chris Pine behind it, you know.
00:17:18
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Yeah.
00:17:18
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Yeah.
00:17:20
Speaker
Okay, so here's another question.
00:17:22
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Now, the reason why my view, the reason why a lot of music pins don't stay on location in a crazy amount of time is because they thrive more in a home environment because on location, it's usually typically hard to hear them.
00:17:38
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Sure, that makes sense.
00:17:40
Speaker
That's a big component to the game.
00:17:42
Speaker
So it seems like after the big wave,
00:17:45
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However, with each pin, there's like three phases.
00:17:49
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The first phase is the theme and the art, and that's what sells a whole bunch of games.
Economics and Longevity of Pinball Machines
00:17:55
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Then the middle face is people, whether they like playing it and continuing on.
00:18:00
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But then there's like a rebound effect of people who are just barely getting into pinball machine.
00:18:05
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They say, oh, there's a Led Zeppelin pinball machine.
00:18:07
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I got to have that.
00:18:09
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And so the theme and the art kind of comes back into it.
00:18:12
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But you're right with music pins.
00:18:15
Speaker
They don't stay on in circulation nearly as long just because of that factor.
00:18:22
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Yeah, I think it's too bad with Foo Fighters because I do think it's a great game.
00:18:27
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But yeah, I don't know.
00:18:29
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You're right.
00:18:29
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Even Iron Maiden, I don't see it as much really as I used to.
00:18:33
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And where do they go?
00:18:34
Speaker
Where do they go?
00:18:34
Speaker
I don't know.
00:18:38
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I think the only ones I really do see is maybe a Metallica out on location.
00:18:42
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I see those occasionally.
00:18:44
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And maybe an ACDC.
00:18:45
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But other than that, I've never seen an Aerosmith out in the wild.
00:18:52
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um it doesn't get talked about i've heard i've heard rumblings that they're gonna remake that too okay um you're now on the tour and this is this is when we went to make we can talk about this because this was not in the the lockdown area like i walked by a big stack of decals that were from an aerosmith side cabinet
00:19:15
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And so my question, and Kate, that's not an accident.
00:19:19
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That was just not set out there just, oh, well, we just haven't put these away yet.
00:19:27
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And so part of me wonders, like, are they are they punking us or are they actually teasing that they're going to consider rerunning that?
00:19:33
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OK, yeah.
00:19:34
Speaker
All right.
00:19:34
Speaker
OK, so you're saying when you guys did like with all the influencers and when you all went to Stern.
00:19:39
Speaker
OK, yeah, I heard all about that.
00:19:41
Speaker
Yes.
00:19:42
Speaker
OK, so so there was.
00:19:43
Speaker
Yeah, there's just no way.
00:19:44
Speaker
When did that game actually come out?
00:19:46
Speaker
2017?
00:19:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:47
Speaker
So for that all to be there, they've got to be rerunning it.
00:19:52
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I don't know.
00:19:52
Speaker
They could be punking us.
00:19:54
Speaker
They could be.
00:19:54
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I don't know.
00:19:55
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I wasn't there, and I don't know how...
00:19:59
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how organized it is.
00:20:01
Speaker
Like if it's the kind of thing where stuff is just thrown around because you know what I mean?
00:20:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:07
Speaker
But it's, I mean, it's probably a big place.
00:20:09
Speaker
It's possible that it just happened to be there.
00:20:12
Speaker
It was actually, it was on the floor next to where they do the cabinets, where they assemble the cabinets.
00:20:16
Speaker
Yeah, but it was in this prep area thing.
00:20:20
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Yeah, so the way it works is they've got pretty much their assembly lines, but at the end of their assembly lines, they've got this big steel cage area where they keep all their old stuff.
00:20:27
Speaker
So in my thought process is if you're going to hold on to Aerosmith stuff, it's going to be in the cage where they keep all their old toppers or their old...
00:20:36
Speaker
whatever their back catalog is that they might throw something together.
00:20:39
Speaker
It's just really weird that it was open, sitting on the floor next to where they assembled the cabinets.
00:20:44
Speaker
Again, part of me wonders if it's a joke.
00:20:46
Speaker
Part of me wonders if it's a joke because it's like, dude, we're going to put this out there and guess what?
00:20:50
Speaker
We're going to get a lot of buzz from this.
00:20:53
Speaker
Oh, go ahead.
00:20:55
Speaker
No, it is a Spike 2 game though, right?
00:20:59
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It's one of the first ones.
00:21:00
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It was the first screen.
00:21:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:03
Speaker
Batman 66 was the first one.
00:21:05
Speaker
Are you sure?
00:21:08
Speaker
Are you sure?
00:21:09
Speaker
Someone will fact check it.
00:21:10
Speaker
Oh my goodness.
00:21:11
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Yeah, that's interesting.
00:21:12
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I, um, yeah, because, because of that, then that makes a lot, that puts a lot more into it.
00:21:17
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Like with all the Metallica rumors, you know, it's like, okay, they have, they're not going to redo a DMD.
00:21:23
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Like they're not going to do it as is.
00:21:24
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I don't think.
00:21:25
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I don't think so because it looks dated.
00:21:28
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:21:30
Speaker
And yeah,
00:21:31
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It's like before, you know, it's kind of like an alphanumeric going to DMD.
00:21:37
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Like that is like a line of demarcation.
00:21:40
Speaker
Like you're going to.
00:21:41
Speaker
And by the way, Josh is looking up to see whether or not Aerosmith was the first one.
00:21:44
Speaker
Batman 66 was first.
00:21:45
Speaker
Aerosmith was second.
00:21:46
Speaker
Batman 66 in 2016.
00:21:47
Speaker
Aerosmith in 2017.
00:21:48
Speaker
Okay, fine.
00:21:54
Speaker
followed by Star Wars.
00:21:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:56
Speaker
There you go.
00:21:56
Speaker
66 is a great game too.
00:21:58
Speaker
You know, it's a funny thing.
00:21:59
Speaker
That's hard to find anywhere either.
00:22:02
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It is like, uh, it's, um, I played it recently.
00:22:05
Speaker
I was in down in Florida for a DJ DJ thing and I played it, played, uh, played it down there.
00:22:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:11
Speaker
And it's, it's great.
00:22:11
Speaker
It's fun.
00:22:12
Speaker
And there's, it's loaded too.
00:22:13
Speaker
There's lots in that.
00:22:14
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:22:16
Speaker
Definitely.
00:22:17
Speaker
It always seems like Gomez games, uh, aside from Lord of the Rings tend to start off slow and then pick up steam as time.
00:22:26
Speaker
Like, you know, it's when Batman 66 came out, the code was laughably terrible.
00:22:31
Speaker
And I understand why, because Adam West was really dying at the point.
00:22:36
Speaker
Oh boy.
00:22:37
Speaker
So they wanted to get it out there.
00:22:38
Speaker
But the code was, if you think releasing a code like 0.6 is bad, I mean, it was about as bare bones as you could possibly get.
00:22:46
Speaker
And it took a long time for the Lyman code to catch up to make it the game it is now.
00:22:51
Speaker
Well, yeah.
00:22:52
Speaker
I mean, that's the word on the street with James Bond too, right?
00:22:56
Speaker
And that's a game.
00:22:59
Speaker
Well, because it came out around the time of Foo Fighters, right?
00:23:01
Speaker
Like a little before maybe?
00:23:02
Speaker
It was right before Foo Fighters?
00:23:04
Speaker
I think.
00:23:04
Speaker
Yes.
00:23:05
Speaker
It was in October and then Foo Fighters was in January.
00:23:06
Speaker
And I remember...
00:23:07
Speaker
Yeah, I remember playing it and just the first, my first initial impressions was like, this game is not that fun.
00:23:12
Speaker
The code was bad.
00:23:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:13
Speaker
And then I don't know.
00:23:15
Speaker
I kind of love it now.
Pinball on Tour and Musician Lifestyle
00:23:16
Speaker
I kind of like when I see it in a lineup, I kind of like want to play it first.
00:23:21
Speaker
I don't usually play it first, but I kind of want to because it's, it's kind of a cool game.
00:23:26
Speaker
It does show that I always roll my eyes a little bit when people say, well, you can't, uh, code doesn't fix layout.
00:23:34
Speaker
Well, it doesn't fix layout.
00:23:36
Speaker
However, how you play the layout, it definitely affects.
00:23:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:41
Speaker
And so you can even Walking Dead, Walking Dead was panned when it first came out.
00:23:47
Speaker
Then when the code got up to steam, people said this game is great.
00:23:51
Speaker
And that's why code really does affect how you approach and how you play a game.
00:23:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:57
Speaker
Yeah, no question.
00:23:58
Speaker
So, so do you have any other games besides Foo Fighters?
00:24:01
Speaker
I have, yeah, I have Foo Fighters.
00:24:02
Speaker
I have, uh, speaking of George Gomez, I have a Lord of the Rings.
00:24:05
Speaker
Nice.
00:24:06
Speaker
And I have a total nuclear annihilation.
00:24:08
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:24:09
Speaker
Yes.
00:24:10
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Uh, yeah, that's a lot of fun.
00:24:12
Speaker
And there's, I mean, in Vegas, there aren't any, so it's the only place I can play it is my own house.
00:24:17
Speaker
And I have a Texas Chainsaw Massacre on the way.
00:24:20
Speaker
Just got my confirmation that it's going to get shipped soon.
00:24:24
Speaker
Nice.
00:24:25
Speaker
From Spooky.
00:24:25
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So, yeah, that'll be my lineup for a little while.
00:24:30
Speaker
I'm kicking the tires on a black and white Godzilla.
00:24:36
Speaker
Because I don't own one.
00:24:38
Speaker
I've never owned one.
00:24:39
Speaker
And, yeah, it's beautiful.
00:24:43
Speaker
I saw it, actually.
00:24:44
Speaker
I was down at Southern Fried Gaming Expo.
00:24:47
Speaker
And I saw the black and white in the flesh.
00:24:49
Speaker
And that thing, it looks so good.
00:24:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:24:52
Speaker
The cabinet is awesome.
00:24:54
Speaker
And yeah, and playing it like it, the lights were cool.
00:24:57
Speaker
It didn't feel like...
00:25:00
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one-dimensional, you know, like people kind of want to complain, like, oh, it looks boring.
00:25:04
Speaker
I didn't find that at all playing it.
00:25:06
Speaker
I don't know anyone who says Centaur's boring, and it's that look, right?
00:25:11
Speaker
It's an affect, right?
00:25:14
Speaker
You're still going to play a game, and it does stand out.
00:25:18
Speaker
It certainly...
00:25:19
Speaker
the original Godzilla was black and white.
00:25:22
Speaker
And so it seems the character integrity of a Godzilla in black and white seems spot on.
00:25:30
Speaker
I did show it to my wife and she said, I like the color better, but my buddy is buying the black and white and he lived in Japan for a couple of years.
00:25:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:39
Speaker
I think I was like, I was, I was like, this is sick when I saw it.
00:25:43
Speaker
But when I saw it in person, it, it put it right over the top.
00:25:46
Speaker
I was like, Oh, there's, this is a no doubter now.
00:25:49
Speaker
So I think a lot of people that haven't, cause not really anyone's seen it.
00:25:51
Speaker
Right.
00:25:52
Speaker
Um, in person when you do, it's like, it will, it will convince you.
00:25:57
Speaker
I think.
00:25:58
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:25:58
Speaker
I felt the same way about, uh, blood red kiss from Elvira.
00:26:01
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I was like, well,
00:26:02
Speaker
Did we really need a fourth edition of this?
00:26:04
Speaker
And then we saw it at Expo and I was like, holy crap.
00:26:07
Speaker
Yeah, I've never seen it.
00:26:08
Speaker
It's so good.
00:26:09
Speaker
But I believe I've heard nothing but great things.
00:26:12
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:26:13
Speaker
I love Elvira, too.
00:26:14
Speaker
What a great game.
00:26:15
Speaker
So it sounds like you've been going because you went to Texas Pinball Festival as well, right?
00:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, I went to TPF.
00:26:21
Speaker
And then it's funny because I wasn't going to go to Southern Fright and I just happened to be in Atlanta that weekend.
00:26:29
Speaker
Nice.
00:26:30
Speaker
And I was able to go on Friday night for like two and a half hours.
00:26:36
Speaker
I was there.
00:26:37
Speaker
So enough time to play Black and White Godzilla, look around, you know, you know,
00:26:42
Speaker
you know, it was cool.
00:26:43
Speaker
Like it's, it's just, I love the pinball festival vibe because everyone's just like, it's like we're with our people, you know, everyone's just like smiles on their face.
00:26:52
Speaker
It's just a good vibe, you know?
00:26:54
Speaker
Sadly, you probably won't be at pinball expo this year unless you're skipping out on when we were young, right?
00:26:58
Speaker
I know it's the same.
00:26:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:59
Speaker
It's the same weekend as the big giant emo festival in Las Vegas.
00:27:04
Speaker
So that is too bad.
00:27:05
Speaker
I know that was, I had that circle on my calendar, but it's okay.
00:27:09
Speaker
It's okay.
00:27:09
Speaker
There'll be more.
00:27:10
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our friend George Fisher, actually, he, he, he does.
00:27:13
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Don't panic flip.
00:27:14
Speaker
It's a stream, but he's actually, he's going to go to expo and then he's, he's trucking it.
00:27:18
Speaker
He's not even going to fly.
00:27:19
Speaker
He's driving all the way down to one.
00:27:20
Speaker
Does he drive in that Winnebago?
00:27:23
Speaker
Oh yeah, dude.
00:27:23
Speaker
It's gosh.
00:27:24
Speaker
He's nightmare city.
00:27:27
Speaker
He's what, how's that going to work?
00:27:29
Speaker
I he's going to go for.
00:27:31
Speaker
So his family's from Chicago.
00:27:32
Speaker
So he's going to go like Sunday and then be there because expo starts on like Tuesday this year.
00:27:39
Speaker
They're doing factory tours on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, maybe even Friday because they're hitting all the factories that are in Chicago.
00:27:45
Speaker
and then he's gonna he's gonna drive down i think for saturday or sunday somewhere around there so because i was like you can't do chicago to vegas in one day that's that was my thought so okay he's got he's got like a sweet little uh like a dodge pro master that's been converted into like a camper kind of thing well it's a winnebago so it's like a motorhome you know so it has the sleeper stuff in it and that's actually what okay that's what the winnebago it's like buying a
00:28:11
Speaker
you know, a Shelby Cobra, you know, you buy the Cobra, you take it to Shelby, they modify it, you know, so that's similar to that.
00:28:16
Speaker
But it certainly makes for it makes for flexibility if you just want to drive and sleep in your car.
00:28:26
Speaker
So when we were talking like a month or two ago, you said that you were in Poland and you were stoked because you were hitting up.
00:28:33
Speaker
I can't remember where the place was, but it had like 40 90s games or something like that.
00:28:38
Speaker
It was cool.
00:28:39
Speaker
Yeah, it's called.
00:28:41
Speaker
I was in Krakow or Krakow.
00:28:44
Speaker
I'm not sure how you say the name.
00:28:47
Speaker
Poland.
00:28:47
Speaker
Yeah, it was kind of random.
00:28:48
Speaker
It's not a place that I...
00:28:50
Speaker
We never play Poland.
00:28:52
Speaker
We play Germany all the time.
00:28:55
Speaker
But Poland's kind of a rare spot.
00:28:56
Speaker
And Krakow is, I think, our first time ever there.
Music Industry Connections and Stories
00:29:00
Speaker
So, yeah, you know, every time I'm anywhere on tour, I just pull up the pinball map and I see what's around.
00:29:05
Speaker
You know, it's a lot of fun because, you know, being in the band, there's a lot of downtime.
00:29:12
Speaker
You know, between when I get up basically in the show, I don't really have that much to do most days, to be honest.
00:29:19
Speaker
So it's perfect, you know, especially being a singer and a lot of times kind of wanting to rest my voice.
00:29:27
Speaker
Going and playing pinball, it's like a very, you know, you don't have to talk to anybody.
00:29:30
Speaker
You're just kind of there.
00:29:31
Speaker
And, you know, it's like kind of a good way to rest your voice, except when you're swearing, because when you drain or whatever, you know, that's the only time I used my voice.
00:29:39
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So, so yeah, so that place was cool.
00:29:41
Speaker
It was this like,
00:29:44
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You kind of go down in this basement.
00:29:45
Speaker
It's very, very celery, very, not the vegetable, celery-like.
00:29:53
Speaker
Yeah, and it was cool.
00:29:54
Speaker
And they had, yeah, they didn't really have any modern games, which I found refreshing because, you know, I don't know how much more Deadpool I need to play.
00:30:02
Speaker
No offense, Deadpool's great.
00:30:04
Speaker
I don't, you know what I mean?
00:30:05
Speaker
It's like when you get to a place and they've got six machines and it's six modern Sterns.
00:30:10
Speaker
Yeah, I get it.
00:30:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:11
Speaker
Yeah, like that's fine.
00:30:12
Speaker
You know, like I'll definitely spend some time there.
00:30:14
Speaker
But, you know, when it's like six Bally Williams 90s games, I think I'm more stoked at this point.
00:30:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:21
Speaker
You know, because some of them you don't see that much.
00:30:24
Speaker
And especially if they play really well.
00:30:26
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you know, then it's like, oh man, like it's amazing.
00:30:29
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So that place was great.
00:30:30
Speaker
It was a lot of fun.
00:30:31
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I'm trying to remember some of the games that I played that I hadn't played before, but there was a bunch and yeah, it was, it was awesome.
00:30:39
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And just, it's just something I love to do on tour whenever I get the chance is just find a little pinball bar and grab, you know, a couple, a couple hours to myself.
00:30:48
Speaker
It's, it's very, I find it very relaxing.
00:30:51
Speaker
So.
00:30:51
Speaker
So do you pull any of your bandmates with you?
00:30:55
Speaker
Or the staff or anything like that?
00:30:56
Speaker
Or is this a solo sport?
00:30:59
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It's mostly a solo mission.
00:31:01
Speaker
I get a couple guys to go with me sometimes, but they just don't have the...
00:31:06
Speaker
they don't have the bug you know and they they yeah and they're always like oh you're like way better than me at least like oh yeah i play all the time of course i'm better but it's um no i think they come once in a while or if there's a place we'll go have a beer and usually it's like them at the bar having a couple beers and you just like you know in the corner playing pinball the whole time um but yeah no it's uh it's something that i i really enjoy now it's it's great
00:31:31
Speaker
Go ahead, Josh.
00:31:32
Speaker
Oh, I was going to say, go for it, Scott.
00:31:35
Speaker
Oh, there you go.
00:31:38
Speaker
Okay, so we all have our dream themes.
00:31:42
Speaker
But because you are in a band and you have a bigger connection to the music industry, what are five bands where you, maybe not the ones that should be made, I think Journey should be made, I would say Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, even Motley Crue.
Bands as Pinball Themes: Speculation and Ideas
00:31:58
Speaker
But what are the bands that you're like, you know what?
00:32:01
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I would really like these made.
00:32:06
Speaker
This is a great question.
00:32:07
Speaker
And something I've thought about, obviously, a lot being that I'm in a band.
00:32:11
Speaker
You know, I think like, first of all, it's so much depends on how involved the band is with the machine.
00:32:18
Speaker
Like I see you got a rush behind you and like the band doing call outs and that I think really makes the game.
00:32:25
Speaker
and how you can kind of incorporate it into a theme.
00:32:29
Speaker
And Foo Fighters does probably the best job of any band pin ever of doing that because you've got the characters.
00:32:37
Speaker
They're all together.
00:32:38
Speaker
They're kind of on this.
00:32:40
Speaker
It's kind of like a band, but then they're on a trying to save the world kind of thing, right?
00:32:45
Speaker
It's like a whole alien theme.
00:32:47
Speaker
That's so good to have that extra layer.
00:32:50
Speaker
Whereas Led Zeppelin...
00:32:53
Speaker
It's there's nothing it's nothing to it.
00:32:55
Speaker
It's like there's no I don't even think the likeness of the band members is in the game.
00:33:00
Speaker
It's on the play phone.
00:33:02
Speaker
But there's no call outs.
00:33:03
Speaker
There's no like there's no like, oh, you know, like Jimmy Page is doing a solo and like you got to keep the ball alive.
00:33:09
Speaker
And if you if the solo is before you have the ball, then like you get, you know, whatever, like it's just basic stuff that should be in a Led Zeppelin game.
00:33:19
Speaker
Right.
00:33:20
Speaker
It's like a hot topic.
00:33:21
Speaker
You bought a lunchbox that said Led Zeppelin on it, and that's pretty much how much soul of Led Zeppelin is in that game.
00:33:28
Speaker
Yeah, it's rough.
00:33:29
Speaker
It's rough, you know?
00:33:31
Speaker
Yeah, even Iron Maiden, like, it's a great game.
00:33:33
Speaker
It's a great shooter, of course, but, you know, there's not that much...
00:33:38
Speaker
assets in it really right there could be way more way more stuff in it you know so I think that's the big thing and I think of you know this a lot of people will roll their eyes when I say this but I think if you could get something like
00:33:53
Speaker
Blink 182.
00:33:54
Speaker
Yes.
00:33:55
Speaker
But have them in the game.
00:33:56
Speaker
Have them doing all the stupid call outs, all the silly stuff that they do, like all the dick and fart jokes.
00:34:03
Speaker
Yes.
00:34:03
Speaker
That would be fun.
00:34:05
Speaker
A toilet filled with bean dip.
00:34:07
Speaker
It would be fun.
00:34:08
Speaker
That would be a fun, fun game.
00:34:09
Speaker
And they haven't done a punk rock game yet.
00:34:13
Speaker
No one's done it.
00:34:14
Speaker
And, you know, Travis Barker, like that guy is so famous now.
00:34:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:17
Speaker
You know, I just I think that that could work really well.
00:34:21
Speaker
I think Green Day would be great too.
00:34:23
Speaker
Same thing.
00:34:24
Speaker
You got to get the band in it.
00:34:25
Speaker
You have to do it right.
00:34:27
Speaker
On Green Day, here's the question though.
00:34:29
Speaker
Would you do the entire catalog or would you stick to American Idiot?
00:34:34
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:34:34
Speaker
You got to do the whole catalog.
00:34:36
Speaker
You do the whole catalog.
00:34:37
Speaker
I think Dookie's bigger than... Okay, I would say though that... Here's my theory on bands.
00:34:44
Speaker
It seems like they ascend, ascend, ascend until they hit what I would consider their zenith, their best thing.
00:34:52
Speaker
And then it feels like so many bands just disappear right after that because they've put everything into that album.
00:35:00
Speaker
And for me, that was American Idiot.
00:35:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:04
Speaker
Well, you know, everyone has their own opinion.
00:35:06
Speaker
I, I, I do.
00:35:09
Speaker
I mean, for me, Dookie is the record.
00:35:11
Speaker
You know, American Idiot is fine.
00:35:13
Speaker
It's probably like my fifth favorite Green Day record.
00:35:15
Speaker
Oh, wow.
00:35:17
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:35:17
Speaker
That hurts me.
00:35:18
Speaker
That hurts.
00:35:19
Speaker
Yeah, maybe number four.
00:35:21
Speaker
I don't know.
00:35:21
Speaker
We're not going to rank records right now.
00:35:23
Speaker
But I don't know.
00:35:25
Speaker
I think like it's with a band.
00:35:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:28
Speaker
I think you got to celebrate their entire existence, I think.
00:35:31
Speaker
I think that's part of what makes it fun.
00:35:35
Speaker
Unless you're going to do like multiple ones.
00:35:37
Speaker
Like I thought, you know, there was talk of this being maybe Metallica, you know, doing a new Metallica machine.
00:35:46
Speaker
Which would make sense.
00:35:47
Speaker
I mean, like Guns N' Roses did one back in the day.
00:35:49
Speaker
Yeah, like you could do another, like it would sell like crazy with a new layout, you know, regardless of who designed it or whatever.
00:35:58
Speaker
But you could do like, okay, this is going to be dedicated to, they were talking about Ride the Lightning turning 40, you know, from 1984.
00:36:06
Speaker
Like you could do, okay, do an entire Ride the Lightning theme machine for an anniversary.
00:36:11
Speaker
Cool.
00:36:12
Speaker
But that's maybe you can do that because Metallica's already had a machine.
00:36:15
Speaker
Right.
00:36:15
Speaker
It's like if you do a first game and it's just one record and it's the same album songs over and over again, I don't, I just don't think you're that cool.
00:36:25
Speaker
You're right.
00:36:26
Speaker
I'm just wondering like from the theme standpoint, but you're right.
00:36:29
Speaker
It's like rush.
00:36:30
Speaker
If you just did moving pictures, it wouldn't work just because there are so many other popular songs that, and when I say, I say that tongue in cheek because I know a lot of people don't know any rush songs other than Tom Sawyer.
00:36:46
Speaker
I'm from Canada.
00:36:48
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, he grew up in Canada.
00:36:51
Speaker
No, okay.
00:36:52
Speaker
I'm talking to most people.
00:36:53
Speaker
And let's be honest.
00:36:54
Speaker
We know that Getty and Alex forced you out of Toronto because they don't want competition.
00:36:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:01
Speaker
I will admit, with all due respect to Rush and Getty and Alex and, you know,
00:37:10
Speaker
They're late drummer as well.
00:37:13
Speaker
I'm not a fan of the band.
00:37:15
Speaker
That's because you have to be 10 years older.
00:37:19
Speaker
No, legitimately.
00:37:20
Speaker
Like that's my, and I only caught the tail end because my brother, who's five years older than me,
00:37:26
Speaker
So that's all I would listen to was Rush.
00:37:29
Speaker
Could make sense.
00:37:31
Speaker
No one else in my age group was listening to Rush.
00:37:33
Speaker
My sister is seven years older than me, and she's from Canada, and she loves Rush.
00:37:37
Speaker
So that does kind of check out.
00:37:39
Speaker
But I don't know.
00:37:40
Speaker
It's one of those...
00:37:41
Speaker
um and god i hate saying this on the record but i but i guess i will it's like his voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and like when that band comes on the radio i turn it i change it instantly and when i'm playing the rush game which and i think i think the pin's okay i think it's maybe a little overrated no offense i know you have one behind you but um i'm happy to be in a loud bar where i can't hear the music on that one that's for sure
00:38:06
Speaker
Okay.
00:38:06
Speaker
The flip side though, some people like I have a, so Jeff from the pinball podcast, when he was talking about Iron Maiden, he said, I don't know.
00:38:18
Speaker
I can't stand the music.
00:38:19
Speaker
It's like, it's like Rush got drunk and learned how to write metal.
00:38:25
Speaker
And I was like, well, I guess the checks out because I like both of those bands, but anyway.
00:38:30
Speaker
Okay.
00:38:30
Speaker
You know, I, I get it.
00:38:31
Speaker
It's, it is Geddy Lee is not for everybody.
00:38:35
Speaker
I'll put it that way.
00:38:36
Speaker
So there actually, I was going to say there is actually, sorry, not to cut you off, but there is one punk rock machine out there.
00:38:43
Speaker
It's literally called just punk.
00:38:45
Speaker
And it was by Gottlieb in 82.
00:38:46
Speaker
Oh, really?
00:38:47
Speaker
That does not count.
00:38:50
Speaker
I would love to see.
00:38:51
Speaker
That's probably hilarious.
00:38:52
Speaker
That is terrible.
00:38:53
Speaker
Okay.
00:38:54
Speaker
There's a heavy metal, like just generic heavy metal, you know, heavy metal meltdown.
00:39:00
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Yeah.
00:39:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:01
Speaker
But no, you have to look it up.
00:39:03
Speaker
It's definitely... Gottlieb did this whole thing where they would do one-word pinball machines, like punk and stuff like that.
00:39:11
Speaker
Yeah, but they were all rip-offs because it's like they didn't do Top Gun.
00:39:16
Speaker
They did Gold Wings.
00:39:18
Speaker
Or they didn't do Miami Vice.
00:39:19
Speaker
They did Hollywood Heat.
00:39:21
Speaker
All these other ones that were just like, these are not... This is discount bin $5 DVD stuff.
00:39:30
Speaker
So you said blink, you said green day.
00:39:32
Speaker
I'm kind of surprised you haven't said no effects yet.
00:39:34
Speaker
Or do you think that'd be too underground?
00:39:37
Speaker
I think it's too underground.
00:39:38
Speaker
I think, I think if, you know, I think with, with a lot of games having smaller runs, I,
00:39:45
Speaker
You probably could do it.
00:39:46
Speaker
There's probably 500 to 1,000 people that would buy a no-effects machine because I would buy one.
00:39:53
Speaker
Maybe that's all you need now, right?
00:39:55
Speaker
Because you look at Spooky with TCM and Looney Tunes, they can't sell out
00:40:03
Speaker
888 of each right they're not i don't even think they're close right and and those games are cool you know and i like for for me texas chainsaw massacre was like a dream theme and i bought it immediately because it's my favorite horror movie and i was like this is amazing and you play as the killer and i'm like this is so sick like nobody's doing that and so i bought that game immediately right and i think that with certain bands they have a big enough fan base to
00:40:29
Speaker
that it would work, but they have to be the right bands that really mean a lot to people.
Imagineering a Silverstein Pinball Machine
00:40:34
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:40:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:36
Speaker
I think NoFX could pull it off just because there's such a love for that band.
00:40:40
Speaker
Their fans would die for them.
00:40:43
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:40:44
Speaker
Take a bullet.
00:40:44
Speaker
And so I think if you did a pinball machine, I think it would do very well even as just a collector piece.
00:40:50
Speaker
Yeah, I would love to see it.
00:40:52
Speaker
I mean, yeah.
00:40:52
Speaker
Or Bad Religion or Rancid or any punk bands from that era, I would be all about it.
00:40:58
Speaker
But yeah, I don't know.
00:40:59
Speaker
I don't know if that would fly.
00:41:01
Speaker
But I will say this too, and I've heard a lot of people talk about this.
00:41:05
Speaker
I got to figure it's way easier with licensing crap to deal with a band and a band's manager than it is to deal with an entire movie studio.
00:41:17
Speaker
Oh, a hundred percent.
00:41:18
Speaker
Like that's, that's gotta be way easier and probably way cheaper too.
00:41:22
Speaker
If the band wants to do it, like, Oh, we got, we don't need like millions of dollars to, to, you know, for this, just, just cool.
00:41:30
Speaker
We can, we, can we each get one?
00:41:32
Speaker
Okay, cool.
00:41:32
Speaker
Then like, sure.
00:41:33
Speaker
Like, you know, cause it's kind of an honor to have a band pin.
00:41:37
Speaker
I think.
00:41:38
Speaker
I feel like it's a love letter to the band.
00:41:40
Speaker
Right.
00:41:41
Speaker
Cause like you ever looked at the artwork for Primus.
00:41:44
Speaker
I mean, Jeremy Packard's on Yeti did the artwork and he was a huge Primus fan growing up.
00:41:50
Speaker
And that artwork is just a love letter to the band.
00:41:52
Speaker
You got Les Claypool doing call outs.
00:41:54
Speaker
It's just, it's a really cool way to take your catalog and put all the spotlights on everything you love about it.
00:42:00
Speaker
Right.
00:42:01
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:02
Speaker
No, 100%.
00:42:02
Speaker
And I'll tell you right now, I don't think my band is big enough to have its own
00:42:07
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:07
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:08
Speaker
But that's, that's a great segue though.
00:42:09
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:10
Speaker
That question is coming.
00:42:11
Speaker
We are in fantasy though.
00:42:12
Speaker
And by the way, my favorite Les Claypool story is that I heard he auditioned for Metallica and they basically said, you're way too good.
00:42:21
Speaker
I've heard that too.
00:42:22
Speaker
That's a true story.
00:42:24
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:24
Speaker
So this is Fantasyland.
00:42:26
Speaker
So you have made it to the big league.
00:42:29
Speaker
You can pick any designer.
00:42:31
Speaker
You can pick any studio.
00:42:33
Speaker
You can pick whatever you want for your band, Silverstein.
00:42:38
Speaker
Like what are you going to, who are you going to pick and who would you want to make it?
00:42:43
Speaker
And who do you want to do art?
00:42:45
Speaker
Like who do you want to do rules?
00:42:47
Speaker
I want, this is your dream thing.
00:42:49
Speaker
Wow.
00:42:50
Speaker
Wow.
00:42:50
Speaker
You know, and I, you won't believe me.
00:42:52
Speaker
I've never thought about this.
00:42:54
Speaker
I've thought about, yeah, this is never going to happen.
00:42:57
Speaker
It's a pipe dream.
00:42:57
Speaker
I've never like actually started being like, okay, who would do it?
00:43:01
Speaker
Give it 20 years.
00:43:02
Speaker
Right.
00:43:03
Speaker
Who knows?
00:43:04
Speaker
Man, I think Jack danger would be the guy because he gets it.
00:43:08
Speaker
He gets punk rock and where I came from.
00:43:11
Speaker
And this guy's always like posting stuff about ska music on his Instagram and everything.
00:43:16
Speaker
Like I know he would get it.
00:43:19
Speaker
Um,
00:43:22
Speaker
For artwork, I don't know.
00:43:24
Speaker
geez, I'm really going down the Stern train now.
00:43:26
Speaker
I'm thinking, well, it's got to be Zombie Yeti, you know?
00:43:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:29
Speaker
Right?
00:43:29
Speaker
And it's got to be Stern that makes the game now, right?
00:43:32
Speaker
But I don't know, man.
00:43:33
Speaker
I don't know.
00:43:35
Speaker
There's so many great people.
00:43:38
Speaker
It could be, right?
00:43:40
Speaker
Steve Ritchie's over there now, maybe, you know?
00:43:42
Speaker
I mean, it would be cool to have a Jersey Jack machine with just all the bells and whistles.
00:43:47
Speaker
I don't know.
00:43:47
Speaker
Nobody's paying $15,000 for that collector's edition, that's for sure.
00:43:51
Speaker
But...
00:43:56
Speaker
I do like what they're doing over there.
00:43:57
Speaker
And I think those games are getting... Elton John is awesome.
00:44:01
Speaker
No, it's great.
00:44:02
Speaker
It's great.
00:44:02
Speaker
It shoots great.
00:44:04
Speaker
It feels so good to play.
00:44:05
Speaker
It's probably going to be game of the year, right?
00:44:09
Speaker
I mean, that's...
00:44:10
Speaker
That game's sick.
00:44:11
Speaker
So yeah, man, I don't know.
00:44:13
Speaker
That's a tough, that's a very tough, it's a very tough and hypothetical question you're asking.
00:44:19
Speaker
Okay, but coding, you actually have a lot more openness on coding because if you, you know, you could go,
00:44:27
Speaker
you know, with Keith Johnson at Jersey Jack, if you want like the, the deep volunar code, if you want the, the wizard of Oz, you could go with, you know, you could even go with Keith Elwin as the coder because he's the architect.
00:44:40
Speaker
Okay.
00:44:40
Speaker
Let's get, let's get Keith involved too.
00:44:42
Speaker
Then I like that.
00:44:43
Speaker
I like that.
00:44:43
Speaker
All right.
00:44:44
Speaker
So Jack's design working together.
00:44:48
Speaker
But it's a Jersey Jack machine.
00:44:50
Speaker
Okay.
00:44:51
Speaker
Great.
00:44:51
Speaker
We're going way out, right?
00:44:52
Speaker
We're going way out.
00:44:54
Speaker
And apparently we have spooky doing the licensing.
00:44:57
Speaker
Right.
00:44:57
Speaker
Is that how it's working?
00:44:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:59
Speaker
That's right.
00:44:59
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:00
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:00
Speaker
Cause yeah, that's right.
00:45:02
Speaker
No bug bug is a nice guy.
00:45:03
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We want him to be involved somehow just cause he's yeah.
00:45:06
Speaker
Well, they include toppers so that I'm right there.
00:45:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:11
Speaker
Actually.
00:45:12
Speaker
Okay.
00:45:13
Speaker
But here's, here's the dream though.
00:45:15
Speaker
You should get CGC to do the topper.
00:45:18
Speaker
Oh, so it'll take, so it'll take how long?
00:45:20
Speaker
Well, okay.
00:45:21
Speaker
Three, four years.
00:45:23
Speaker
We will all be in walkers and wheelchairs, but either way, it will look great.
00:45:30
Speaker
So, so, but you were talking about like with Foo Fighters, you love it because it's about the band, but it's also this like alternate story.
00:45:35
Speaker
What would the alternate story be for Silverstein?
00:45:37
Speaker
That's the question.
00:45:39
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:45:40
Speaker
Would it be like Fight Club and you're taking down corporate credit and all that stuff?
00:45:44
Speaker
You know, Fight Club, we did use a Fight Club sample in one of our movies.
00:45:48
Speaker
So that would be like kind of a cool little twist.
00:45:53
Speaker
Damn, dude.
Band Dynamics and Cult Influence
00:45:54
Speaker
That's funny.
00:45:55
Speaker
The Alien band theme was really good.
00:45:57
Speaker
That's like hard to top.
00:46:00
Speaker
You know, especially since they're touring on top of it.
00:46:03
Speaker
I don't know.
00:46:03
Speaker
That's all really good stuff.
00:46:05
Speaker
I don't know.
00:46:06
Speaker
Because like with Fight Club, they had all those network cities and stuff.
00:46:11
Speaker
So you could still do that, like touring and whatnot, but you're networking the cities so you can drop them all at the same time or whatever.
00:46:17
Speaker
Maybe a sports theme.
00:46:19
Speaker
Maybe like World Cup soccer meets...
00:46:22
Speaker
meets band what do you think yeah that'd be cool sports games anymore yeah i i would feel like i think silverstein would do that good but i think the band that would that is poised for it would be like a day to remember with their whole like kickball and stuff like that that they did for their music video they'd be a fun pin that'd be an awesome those are my friends they they got good they got good character they do fun stuff yeah they would be great i was wondering if it's all 500
00:46:47
Speaker
I was wondering if you guys were friends because you were on the same label.
00:46:50
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:51
Speaker
We've known a day to remember forever.
00:46:53
Speaker
I mean, we took them out on one of their first tours.
00:46:56
Speaker
It's really a funny story.
00:46:57
Speaker
So Jeremy, the singer for a day to remember the first show we played with them, they opened for us and it was in, I want to say like somewhere in like Wisconsin.
00:47:08
Speaker
And so we met them that day and Jeremy was sick and he slept in the van and their merch guy did vocals for them.
00:47:17
Speaker
So the first time I ever saw it was their merch guy trying to sing and
00:47:22
Speaker
And yeah, he wasn't very good.
00:47:24
Speaker
And I was like, what's going on?
00:47:24
Speaker
This is, this is not.
00:47:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:26
Speaker
And yeah, so it's really, it's a really funny story, but Hey, that's awesome.
00:47:30
Speaker
They've come a long way now.
00:47:32
Speaker
They're like, they definitely have massive.
00:47:34
Speaker
They just played Red Rocks actually in Denver.
00:47:37
Speaker
So yeah.
00:47:38
Speaker
And then they play incredible.
00:47:39
Speaker
It's great to see.
00:47:40
Speaker
They just played here in Salt Lake City on Sunday with Story of the Year and Four Years Strong.
00:47:47
Speaker
I wish I could have went.
00:47:47
Speaker
That would have been an insanely good show.
00:47:50
Speaker
It's true though.
00:47:52
Speaker
The idea of niche pinball, if a company were to do... I don't know.
00:47:58
Speaker
There's a lot of companies out there, right?
00:48:01
Speaker
There's a lot of competition now with these boutique pinball companies.
00:48:09
Speaker
someone were to say like okay we are thinking about making this game and we need let's say 250 people to say to commit to buying it could you do that if it was some like a like like a band like a day to remember or something niche but like where the license would be really cheap you know because a band would just like do it for basically for free or just like yeah sure send us five machines and that's like that's payment enough yeah you know
00:48:38
Speaker
I wonder if that would work, which is, which is funny to me.
00:48:41
Speaker
Cause like, I feel like, I don't know if you listened to our interview with Ed Robertson of bare naked ladies.
00:48:46
Speaker
I didn't, I love, Oh my, no, we used to have the same manager as bare naked ladies too.
00:48:51
Speaker
I, I didn't know.
00:48:52
Speaker
I knew he was into pinball.
00:48:53
Speaker
I didn't know he was on your show.
00:48:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:55
Speaker
So we had him on and he said that like, he did the call outs for, he helped Alex and Getty with the call outs.
00:49:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:02
Speaker
Okay.
00:49:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:02
Speaker
I did.
00:49:02
Speaker
I did know that.
00:49:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:04
Speaker
But he was saying he doesn't feel like Barenaked Ladies is big enough to do a pinball machine.
00:49:08
Speaker
I was like, I don't know about that.
00:49:10
Speaker
I feel like they're pretty – they're big enough, I feel like.
00:49:14
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:16
Speaker
It's like a weird one.
00:49:17
Speaker
I don't know.
00:49:17
Speaker
It's hard to know with bands that have had, like they've had huge success like on the radio and stuff.
00:49:24
Speaker
Right.
00:49:24
Speaker
So I don't know how many of their fans are like going to pony up 10 grand or whatever to buy a machine of their likeness.
00:49:33
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:49:34
Speaker
Maybe their fans are old enough and there's enough of them, but like there's a lot of people and this is with all due respect to Ed and the band that
00:49:42
Speaker
There's a lot of people that go to their show because they love some of the songs that they heard on the radio.
00:49:47
Speaker
But how immersed in them, how much of a lifestyle it is.
00:49:51
Speaker
It's not like Metallica or Iron Maiden or other bands that really have just a huge cult following.
00:50:01
Speaker
Not that Bear Nicolese doesn't, but I think it's different, and that's probably what he meant.
00:50:05
Speaker
Maybe if, if you look at the album sales of the bands that they, that have been produced rush is by far the lowest selling.
00:50:17
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:18
Speaker
It's not, are you sure?
00:50:20
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:20
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:21
Speaker
Primus.
00:50:22
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:22
Speaker
That was a contract game.
00:50:25
Speaker
And so that was- I guess it wasn't a cornerstone.
00:50:27
Speaker
We'll put it that way.
00:50:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:29
Speaker
So, but if you look at it, offhand, I think that Rush is like 60 million or something like that.
00:50:37
Speaker
And then you get into like Aerosmith, which is like 300 million.
00:50:41
Speaker
You get into Metallica, you get into Rolling Stones, you get into Beatles, you get into ACDC.
00:50:47
Speaker
And all those, they are at least three, well, four to five times what Rush has done.
00:50:54
Speaker
Okay, you mean you're talking record sales?
00:50:56
Speaker
Yes.
00:50:56
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:50:57
Speaker
I'm talking record sales.
00:50:58
Speaker
I thought you meant like number of pinball machines sold.
00:51:00
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:51:01
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:51:01
Speaker
I'm talking record sales.
00:51:02
Speaker
Yeah, they've sold 500 million.
00:51:04
Speaker
When you said that, I was like, 60 what?
00:51:06
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:51:07
Speaker
There's like 60 million in sales?
00:51:08
Speaker
Where are you getting these figures from?
00:51:10
Speaker
Does Stern release this?
00:51:12
Speaker
So what I'm saying is that when you're talking about bands, when it talks about –
00:51:17
Speaker
you know, how much do you need?
00:51:18
Speaker
I mean, Rush was by far the lowest album sales of all the bands they've done.
00:51:24
Speaker
And if you look at the, and Primus is a, is a unique example, but if you look at Rush versus, you know, ACDC versus Metallica versus Guns N' Roses.
00:51:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:36
Speaker
You can even argue Elton John, even though Elton John is, he said he certainly sold a lot, but they've,
00:51:43
Speaker
Oh, he sold a lot.
00:51:45
Speaker
Oh, he sold a lot.
00:51:47
Speaker
I'm not sure if the pin is selling as well as like the CDC just because of the price point.
00:51:53
Speaker
But so that is something to consider when you're looking at Vance is that is it enough to move the needle in such a small community of fans?
00:52:05
Speaker
And that's the thing is my take on it is I don't think the record sales matter.
00:52:09
Speaker
Really?
00:52:10
Speaker
I think, no, I think it's the cult following.
00:52:14
Speaker
I think it's the people that are willing to support a band like through and through that are like, okay, five figures.
00:52:21
Speaker
I'm putting it down.
00:52:23
Speaker
Right.
00:52:23
Speaker
And I think Metallica has those kinds of fans.
00:52:25
Speaker
I think guns and roses has those kinds of fans.
00:52:28
Speaker
I think Elton John,
00:52:31
Speaker
does not really have that many fans like that.
00:52:34
Speaker
Maybe some, but here's the best example.
00:52:36
Speaker
There's no way ABBA has that many fans, those kinds of fans.
00:52:40
Speaker
And they've sold probably more records than all these bands we talked about.
00:52:44
Speaker
Right.
00:52:44
Speaker
So maybe that's the problem is that a lot of these, a lot of companies are going, Oh, well they've sold this many records.
00:52:50
Speaker
So they, that means we can sell this many pinball machines.
00:52:53
Speaker
And I don't think that it translates.
00:52:55
Speaker
Like I think Slayer,
00:52:57
Speaker
Probably hasn't sold that many records.
00:52:58
Speaker
I mean, probably, well, probably a lot, but like not anywhere near what a lot of other bands would.
00:53:03
Speaker
But I think that no problem you sell, you can sell, you know, a couple thousand Slayer machines.
00:53:09
Speaker
No question.
00:53:09
Speaker
So you're saying a Hannah Montana machine would not do well.
00:53:12
Speaker
I don't think so.
00:53:13
Speaker
I don't think our demographic of whatever 40 to 50 year old men are buying Hannah Montana machines at all.
00:53:19
Speaker
Right.
00:53:20
Speaker
Or Taylor Swift.
00:53:21
Speaker
I saw that one floated around too.
00:53:22
Speaker
Good luck getting that license.
00:53:24
Speaker
See, I think Taylor would actually, I think she would, but I think pink would be better.
00:53:30
Speaker
Yeah, that's interesting.
00:53:31
Speaker
I don't know.
00:53:32
Speaker
I don't know.
00:53:32
Speaker
There's so many artists and I just don't... So many better artists, I think.
00:53:38
Speaker
But I do wonder if you did a super niche thing where you said, okay, let's do almost like a Kickstarter.
00:53:47
Speaker
Okay, can we do this many?
00:53:49
Speaker
Okay, how many do we need to make this game?
00:53:51
Speaker
Cool, let's make it.
00:53:52
Speaker
And that could be enough.
00:53:55
Speaker
It could still be really, really cool.
00:53:57
Speaker
I don't know.
00:53:58
Speaker
I agree.
00:53:58
Speaker
And I think, well, I think because you have a different mindset too, because in the 2000s, like downloads became a huge thing and album sales weren't actually an indicator of how well a band was or wasn't doing.
00:54:11
Speaker
because I don't know if you watch the documentary Bleeding Audio with the matches, but they talk about this.
00:54:17
Speaker
It's a really good – Like the Habitat band, the matches from San Francisco?
00:54:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:22
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:54:22
Speaker
Or from Oakland?
00:54:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:24
Speaker
Yeah, whatever.
00:54:26
Speaker
So they did Bleeding Audio, which they released a couple years back.
00:54:29
Speaker
But that was the one thing is they said the album styles weren't there, but the problem was is they had so many people showing up to their shows.
00:54:35
Speaker
And so the record label didn't know what to do because they're like,
00:54:38
Speaker
we're obviously selling shows, but you're not selling albums.
00:54:40
Speaker
And then they had this whole thing, like they were selling albums out the back of the van because of, you know, they, they bought up so many of them.
00:54:47
Speaker
It was, it was, it was very interesting.
00:54:50
Speaker
It's one of those things that we're living in a modern age where, where album sales doesn't necessarily translate to popularity because of just the way music is.
00:54:58
Speaker
We stream it and stuff like that.
00:54:59
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:55:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's changing all the time too.
00:55:03
Speaker
That's a really interesting time though with the matches.
00:55:06
Speaker
I remember that band playing with them back in 2004, I think.
00:55:11
Speaker
Early 2000s.
00:55:12
Speaker
And that was a weird time because there was just so much pirating going on too.
00:55:16
Speaker
So you would have so many people using Napster or LimeWire or whatever and not buying your record but still loving it and finding your show.
00:55:28
Speaker
I remember the first time we played in Mexico City.
00:55:31
Speaker
We didn't have a record out there.
00:55:33
Speaker
We had no distribution.
00:55:34
Speaker
There was no way you could buy a record of ours legally in Mexico did not exist.
00:55:40
Speaker
And we went there and the show was sold out in advance and it was absolutely bonkers.
00:55:45
Speaker
Everybody was singing the word.
00:55:46
Speaker
They were singing the songs before we even went on stage.
00:55:48
Speaker
Um,
00:55:49
Speaker
And we were like, how is this possible?
00:55:51
Speaker
And it's all because of back then it was just all illegal downloading and we were happy for it.
00:55:56
Speaker
It was great.
00:55:56
Speaker
Hey, get the music out there.
00:55:58
Speaker
It's better if people come to buy a ticket and a t-shirt.
00:56:01
Speaker
That's way better than buying a CD and never come to the show.
00:56:05
Speaker
You get more return on your investment than the dollar you get from selling the CD.
00:56:09
Speaker
Exactly right.
00:56:10
Speaker
100%.
00:56:11
Speaker
So that's like a, I don't know.
00:56:13
Speaker
It's a really interesting point how all these numbers and stuff like
00:56:17
Speaker
you know, and then now, nowadays it's like, Oh, how many followers do you have on social media and all that?
00:56:22
Speaker
And, you know, it doesn't always translate to, to actual real popularity, you know?
00:56:31
Speaker
I think the one that really stands out to me is like some 41, like, does this look infected came out and they were kind of like, well, it didn't do so great albums wise, but they were selling out bigger and bigger in venues.
00:56:41
Speaker
So like, you obviously knew that they were doing really well.
00:56:43
Speaker
Amazing record too.
00:56:44
Speaker
Oh, amazing.
00:56:45
Speaker
Amazing record.
00:56:46
Speaker
So yeah, I don't know.
00:56:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:47
Speaker
It's, it's, you're right.
00:56:48
Speaker
It's, it's like a real common thing.
00:56:50
Speaker
And I think there's lots of bands that could do, could, that could do band pins that, you know, just because they have that cult following.
00:56:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:58
Speaker
I would buy a Sum 41 pinball machine in a heartbeat.
00:57:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:03
Speaker
There you go.
00:57:03
Speaker
That's a pretty good example.
00:57:04
Speaker
That could be cool.
00:57:05
Speaker
And that's another one along the lines of Green Day or Blink where if the band is involved, because those guys are funny.
00:57:14
Speaker
Some of the funny music videos they've made and stuff, it could be awesome, especially because they're closing the chapter on their career too.
00:57:21
Speaker
What a way to close it out.
00:57:22
Speaker
Okay, cool.
00:57:22
Speaker
We're done.
00:57:22
Speaker
Here's this career-spanning machine.
00:57:26
Speaker
I don't know if those guys...
00:57:28
Speaker
you know, care about pinball or like get it or whatever.
00:57:30
Speaker
But, you know, there's definitely people that do in bands that, you know, would be all about it.
00:57:35
Speaker
It would have to include super soakers because I don't know if you know the story behind this, Scott, but some 41 originally did all their album out in Canada and none of the record labels would pick them up.
00:57:45
Speaker
And so what they did is they went and did like all this crazy stuff in their hometown and
00:57:50
Speaker
They went and robbed a pizza place, but with super soakers, and they just stole a pizza.
00:57:54
Speaker
And then they were just squirting people on the side of the road.
00:57:57
Speaker
And so they sent this video in along with their album to the American record labels, and they had people fighting over them to sign them.
00:58:05
Speaker
And so they ended up on Island Def Jam, which is a very interesting record label to be on because, you know, anywho.
00:58:12
Speaker
But yeah, it just...
00:58:14
Speaker
stuff like that right like there's that there's that super soakers and i don't know just be really cool to have especially where they've went from like pop punk all the way up to like metal now so yeah yeah no be a good one okay it'd be a good one yeah yeah i only know that uh motley crew basically signed with electra because there was a bidding war after the first album that's uh that's the extent of my uh uh record signing uh
00:58:41
Speaker
Must be nice to have you in a bidding war.
00:58:43
Speaker
Must be nice.
00:58:46
Speaker
Well, you can do it if you, I think that they just self-released their first album.
00:58:53
Speaker
And at least back in the day, the funny thing is the first of the hair bands that actually reached number one was Quiet Riot.
00:59:02
Speaker
And all the bands on the Sunset Strip just kind of looked around and was like, these guys, these guys got number one?
00:59:06
Speaker
And then the doors opened and all of them got signed.
00:59:09
Speaker
But
00:59:10
Speaker
It was just funny because even they didn't have any respect for Quiet Riot, which was hilarious.
00:59:15
Speaker
That happens in every scene.
00:59:16
Speaker
I won't name names, but that happens in every single scene.
00:59:20
Speaker
And it's very rare that the best band is the biggest.
00:59:23
Speaker
That's music.
Challenges for Pinball Manufacturers
00:59:25
Speaker
So I'm going to pitch this idea to you, Shane.
00:59:28
Speaker
I think we should have a traditional Warped Tour pin.
00:59:31
Speaker
And that way, you could have all these bands, but not necessarily a dedicated pin.
00:59:36
Speaker
And you could have such a storyline with a Warped Tour pin, right?
00:59:39
Speaker
There was so much insane stuff going on with Warped Tour.
00:59:42
Speaker
I just think it's a great idea.
00:59:43
Speaker
That's a cool idea.
00:59:44
Speaker
I like that idea.
00:59:45
Speaker
Warped Tour Pin.
00:59:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:46
Speaker
You get Kevin Lyman to sign off on it.
00:59:49
Speaker
You get some sponsors involved to get their likeness on the machine.
00:59:53
Speaker
Just like you do at the festival.
00:59:54
Speaker
And then, yeah, the bands, whatever.
00:59:56
Speaker
The bands will be happy to have their songs in there.
00:59:59
Speaker
You can get them all to sign off.
01:00:00
Speaker
That won't be that hard.
01:00:01
Speaker
And there's a lot to choose from.
01:00:02
Speaker
So there you go.
01:00:03
Speaker
Done.
01:00:04
Speaker
Because you know the stages were kind of genre-specific, too.
01:00:08
Speaker
So you could do genre.
01:00:10
Speaker
You could bounce from stage to stage.
01:00:12
Speaker
you know, progressing through songs and stuff like that.
01:00:14
Speaker
I just, I think it's a great concept.
01:00:16
Speaker
Someone, someone pick it up.
01:00:18
Speaker
We are, yeah, we are pitching all kinds of, we're putting everything out there.
01:00:24
Speaker
Seriously, we should open our own.
01:00:25
Speaker
This is great.
01:00:26
Speaker
We should open our own pinball company.
01:00:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:00:29
Speaker
Because they're, they're going out of business now.
01:00:32
Speaker
So we should be able to keep them going.
01:00:34
Speaker
I can't.
01:00:36
Speaker
Yeah.
01:00:37
Speaker
Definitely flies.
01:00:39
Speaker
Well, now you're bringing it up.
01:00:40
Speaker
Way to go, Scott.
01:00:41
Speaker
You've killed another, another company.
01:00:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:00:44
Speaker
And it's not, and it's not pinned ready.
01:00:46
Speaker
Oh, sorry.
01:00:46
Speaker
Pedretty.
01:00:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:00:47
Speaker
Okay.
01:00:47
Speaker
Okay.
01:00:48
Speaker
So for the person who caught me on saying pinned ready, I still, no, dude, it was like several people.
01:00:53
Speaker
It wasn't just fine.
01:00:54
Speaker
Okay.
01:00:55
Speaker
For the people who, okay.
01:00:56
Speaker
Pinned ready is a better option.
01:00:58
Speaker
Okay.
01:00:58
Speaker
They should change their name right now to pinned ready because if they're a pinball company, they should be pinned ready.
01:01:04
Speaker
That's okay.
01:01:05
Speaker
Okay.
01:01:05
Speaker
I'm going to, I'm just going to do it right now.
01:01:08
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:08
Speaker
Just making the shirts right now.
01:01:09
Speaker
Pinned ready.
01:01:11
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:12
Speaker
That's the new loser kid swag with our hockey Jersey.
01:01:14
Speaker
If you haven't gotten our hockey Jersey, now's the time and the pin dreaded streets are coming.
01:01:19
Speaker
Okay.
01:01:19
Speaker
The hockey Jersey looks awesome.
01:01:21
Speaker
Okay.
01:01:22
Speaker
That black and white hockey Jersey.
01:01:24
Speaker
I can't, I need to, I need to get that because it looks really good.
01:01:28
Speaker
Yes.
01:01:29
Speaker
Um, yeah.
01:01:30
Speaker
So, uh, and we were getting around to it, but Haggis, uh,
01:01:34
Speaker
It's done.
01:01:36
Speaker
Like they're done.
01:01:37
Speaker
They're no longer a company and they're officially in liquidation.
01:01:42
Speaker
Unfortunately, they're following the path of a lot of these small startup companies who I would say with the best of intentions wanted to make a good product, but were unable to deliver on their promises.
01:01:55
Speaker
Yes.
01:01:58
Speaker
So what are they liquidating?
01:01:59
Speaker
Do they, do they have anything to liquidate?
01:02:02
Speaker
Can you, can you get all the parts and build your own, uh, build your own?
01:02:05
Speaker
One of those play field rotisserie things.
01:02:08
Speaker
And, uh, I, I, okay.
01:02:11
Speaker
There's all in any business, there's always like physical assets, like manufacturing stuff and you know, that, that type of stuff when it comes to, uh, unproduced game parts, I don't even know what happens with those, but that, that, that may be interesting.
01:02:27
Speaker
Unfortunately, it's another one of those situations where the buzz grows faster than you can produce and it kind of collapses on itself.
01:02:40
Speaker
It's always a risk when you're starting a company outside of the area where all the pinball is made, which is Chicago.
01:02:52
Speaker
Very, very, very outside.
01:02:54
Speaker
Very, very far away.
01:02:55
Speaker
I think that's the biggest problem.
01:02:57
Speaker
It's like if you've ever been to Australia, it's like it's so far.
01:03:02
Speaker
And just getting anything there is prohibitively expensive.
01:03:07
Speaker
You know, shipping anything there.
01:03:09
Speaker
There's no way there's any parts made there.
01:03:13
Speaker
So it just, yeah, I think that was just...
01:03:16
Speaker
Well, it's a disaster we need to happen.
01:03:18
Speaker
Honestly, Damien really didn't know much about pinball when he first got into it too.
01:03:23
Speaker
And so there's also that where you have, you know, the labyrinth guys, the barrels of fun guys, those are people who have actually been in the industry.
01:03:32
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:32
Speaker
And so they're, so they have a leg up.
01:03:36
Speaker
I'm okay.
01:03:37
Speaker
Just imagine.
01:03:37
Speaker
Okay.
01:03:39
Speaker
I know nothing about,
01:03:41
Speaker
putting a band together and organizing music and a tour and everything.
01:03:46
Speaker
So why don't I just go ahead and grab four rando dudes and we'll start a company, we'll start a band and then we'll just start touring because that sounds easy, right?
01:03:56
Speaker
I mean, being in a band and touring and doing all this stuff, it's easy.
01:04:01
Speaker
What could possibly go wrong, right?
01:04:05
Speaker
Yeah, man.
01:04:06
Speaker
It's a shame.
01:04:08
Speaker
And I don't know everything I've read about it.
01:04:11
Speaker
I don't know if we're ever going to even get the whole story.
01:04:14
Speaker
I think it's just radio silence, right?
01:04:18
Speaker
So it's been updated.
01:04:19
Speaker
They've went into external administration, which apparently involves appointing someone, the insolvency professional to take the property and
01:04:30
Speaker
and kind of liquidate stuff to make sure it can pay the debts to winding up the business and its interests.
01:04:36
Speaker
So they've really kind of... So this is where they go in, they evict the person from the house, they go through and they document all the assets that are left in the house, and they sell them for pennies on the dollar and just try to get anything of it.
01:04:53
Speaker
And you're done.
Unique Machines and Manufacturing Hurdles Outside the U.S.
01:04:55
Speaker
There's no way you're even part of it.
01:04:58
Speaker
Well, what's funny to me is like we so we went through the Stern thing and they really, really boast about their Gottlieb machine.
01:05:05
Speaker
So on a play field to the point where all the screws and stuff go in, they slide it into this machine and then it comes down and it puts a little indents into every single play, every Stern play field.
01:05:17
Speaker
since the beginning of Stern, or I think even Data East or whatever.
01:05:21
Speaker
So this is a single machine, and it's a very specific machine.
01:05:26
Speaker
And apparently, I mean, if you've got it from Gottlieb, that was made back in the 50s or 40s.
01:05:31
Speaker
They don't make these machines just left and right.
01:05:33
Speaker
So how do you buy one of these machines?
01:05:36
Speaker
Is this just like a... You know what I'm saying?
01:05:38
Speaker
It just...
01:05:40
Speaker
I don't know.
01:05:41
Speaker
It just like, like you guys are saying, it's really hard to make pinball outside the U S so I can't even found them how they were doing it in Australia.
01:05:47
Speaker
It's hard to make pinball outside of Chicago.
01:05:49
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:50
Speaker
I don't know.
01:05:51
Speaker
Barrels of funds doing it.
01:05:52
Speaker
I think they're doing a good job.
01:05:54
Speaker
I know you can't, I'm not saying it's impossible, but what I am saying is that it's, you are putting yourself in a handicap position to start with when you don't use the assets that are available and well-known in the industry.
01:06:11
Speaker
So that's the challenge.
01:06:14
Speaker
And we feel bad for anybody who has lost their money on these games.
01:06:21
Speaker
And this is a situation where I feel bad for the company too, because this is a company that did have the best of intentions.
01:06:28
Speaker
This was not a con artist trying to rip off old people and just taking their retirement and then living large.
01:06:38
Speaker
That is a completely different situation.
01:06:40
Speaker
This also isn't J-Pop who's starting Zidware and taking pre-orders for all these crazy expensive machines.
01:06:49
Speaker
And then decides that, oh, I really don't have the ability to manufacture games because he was like, he was delusional from the start.
01:06:59
Speaker
I don't feel Haggis was that way.
01:07:01
Speaker
I feel Haggis just grew way too fast and the, the gravitational pull of the expansion collapsed.
01:07:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:11
Speaker
I don't know.
01:07:12
Speaker
It just sucks.
01:07:13
Speaker
Like I was rooting for Haggis and it just sucks.
01:07:17
Speaker
It's yeah.
01:07:18
Speaker
Let me ask you guys this though.
01:07:20
Speaker
I mean with, you know, people that are buying new in box games, I,
01:07:26
Speaker
losing their deposit.
01:07:27
Speaker
I mean, how many times are you going to get burned?
01:07:29
Speaker
Right.
01:07:30
Speaker
And I'm not, I'm not saying that other manufacturers are necessarily going to go under, right.
01:07:37
Speaker
There's no, there's nothing that says that, that seems to say that the smaller boutique companies, any of them are going to go away.
01:07:43
Speaker
American pinball was looking at that's, you know, that's maybe questionable.
01:07:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:48
Speaker
There are questionable things.
01:07:49
Speaker
So you got to think like now that it's happened,
01:07:52
Speaker
where people have just lost their deposits and they know they're not getting that money.
01:07:57
Speaker
Do you think that's going to hurt the industry?
Pre-order Model and Consumer Trust
01:08:00
Speaker
Especially now when you can pretty much just wait and get a game, sometimes even before, even if you pre-order it, you can even get it somehow.
01:08:10
Speaker
Someone has one or someone got one before you and you can buy a used one even before your number gets called.
01:08:16
Speaker
Do you think that's going to really hurt the industry, especially the smaller companies that rely on deposits?
01:08:26
Speaker
I think it will.
01:08:27
Speaker
I think people have kind of had enough.
01:08:30
Speaker
I think that unless if they're definitely like barrels of fun, I felt like it was a different situation, even though it did kind of rely on pre-order money, but they had already had a lot of those built and started shipping them out.
01:08:41
Speaker
Right.
01:08:42
Speaker
But I think the pre-order model is kind of done because we have eight, I think, eight good pinball companies that are already established that you can buy a pinball machine from.
01:08:53
Speaker
And so I think it's going to be harder and harder to be an upstart where you're using, like you said, Kickstarter money.
01:08:59
Speaker
I just, I don't see it happening anymore like that.
01:09:05
Speaker
It will still happen.
01:09:07
Speaker
It will still happen because people are buying off theme and they're buying off FOMO and they are not thinking rationally when they do this.
01:09:20
Speaker
They think, oh, $1,000, I definitely want, that is my dream theme and I'm gonna get in on it and I'm gonna help them out.
01:09:29
Speaker
And I don't have a problem with any of that.
01:09:32
Speaker
What I do have a problem with is people
01:09:35
Speaker
taking a risk about, hey, I'm going to invest in this project that may or may not happen.
01:09:44
Speaker
And then they cry sour grapes when the company goes under.
01:09:50
Speaker
There is enough of a track record to prove that these are not guaranteed.
01:09:55
Speaker
And so if you are willing to give a company $1,000 to reserve a spot, you have to expect that there is a good chance that you're not going to get that money.
01:10:06
Speaker
And unfortunately, I'm just saying, I'm just saying that, that people are getting burned now though.
01:10:12
Speaker
Like they're legitimately, it's happening.
01:10:13
Speaker
So are those same people going to do it again?
01:10:16
Speaker
Yes, because skip.
01:10:18
Speaker
Okay.
01:10:18
Speaker
I'll just, I'll just put them off.
01:10:20
Speaker
Skip B, skip B with the predator machine.
01:10:23
Speaker
That was a total con job where he didn't even have the license and people gave money to that.
01:10:30
Speaker
When J-Pop did Zidware, it was a, hey, we'll take the money, we'll do this stuff.
01:10:36
Speaker
And it never happened.
01:10:38
Speaker
They had to take them to court.
01:10:39
Speaker
Then when Deep Root came out, people was like, oh, well, this is something different.
01:10:44
Speaker
And then we get to Haggis and there are so many of these things that people are...
01:10:51
Speaker
people vote emotionally with their money and their purchasing power.
01:10:56
Speaker
This is why I always say there is no such thing as an unobtainable
Niche Pinball Projects and Licensing Challenges
01:11:01
Speaker
game.
01:11:01
Speaker
Okay.
01:11:02
Speaker
For every Jersey Jack Pirates of the Caribbean, there are that, okay, I missed out on that game and now it's worth $30,000.
01:11:12
Speaker
For every one of those, there are
01:11:15
Speaker
hundreds, tens or hundreds of games where it's like, okay, I didn't get it exactly when I wanted it.
01:11:22
Speaker
And I may have paid $500 over what I would have done for.
01:11:27
Speaker
But a lot of times you get it for cheaper than what you would have done.
01:11:29
Speaker
Okay.
01:11:30
Speaker
But I think the problem you're equating.
01:11:32
Speaker
So, okay.
01:11:33
Speaker
You've talked about Skip B, but they had Predator.
01:11:35
Speaker
So they obviously had a theme people wanted, right?
01:11:38
Speaker
And then you talk highway who had alien.
01:11:40
Speaker
That's true.
01:11:41
Speaker
They weren't, no one was clamoring for big Lebowski.
01:11:44
Speaker
They finally got their games out after 10 years.
01:11:47
Speaker
But my point being is, so like with Haggis, obviously those people wanted the classic Fathoms and Centaurs.
01:11:52
Speaker
They weren't clamoring for Celts.
01:11:54
Speaker
Look at, so I can think of three companies right now that are pretty much asking for pre-order money.
01:11:59
Speaker
It may not essentially pre-order money, but they're with those startups, right?
01:12:03
Speaker
And no one's clamoring for their games.
01:12:05
Speaker
At least I don't hear that, and I could be entirely wrong.
01:12:07
Speaker
But like TiltBob, they just really start work for their road trip game that's coming out.
01:12:12
Speaker
I don't know many people that are excited for this.
01:12:14
Speaker
I don't know many people are giving money for this.
01:12:16
Speaker
Pinball Ventures, Sorcerer, which I haven't heard anything about.
01:12:21
Speaker
And then their first game, the Punny Factory.
01:12:24
Speaker
And then the only other one that I can think of is Ninja Eclipse from Turner.
01:12:32
Speaker
And so that's the thing, though, is the previous companies had, well, all except for Skip B, because Skip B actually didn't have the licensing.
01:12:41
Speaker
They said they had it.
01:12:42
Speaker
And then someone found out, and they're like, you don't have anything for this.
01:12:45
Speaker
And he's like, oh, crap.
01:12:45
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:47
Speaker
Oops, we just went bankrupt.
01:12:49
Speaker
But I think when it comes to licensing games, it's going to be very hard for startup companies to get that kind of sway unless you're like Barrels of Fun who has an in with people in the industry.
01:13:00
Speaker
So I just, I don't see, as far as your question of people getting burned, I don't see it happening because I feel like the tried and tested will get the licenses and those that are upstarts are going to have to prove themselves.
01:13:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:16
Speaker
I think people will still do it.
01:13:18
Speaker
It may not be in the same volume that has happened in the past, but people will still vote with their, like, you know, just emotionally purchase this thing.
01:13:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:30
Speaker
So it just sucks.
01:13:32
Speaker
Overall, it sucks for Haggis.
01:13:34
Speaker
Are there any rumors of barrels and barrels of funds next game?
01:13:38
Speaker
I want to say it's another 80s movie, but I could be entirely wrong.
01:13:41
Speaker
I thought the rumor was... I don't know.
01:13:46
Speaker
I was going to say Princess Bride, but that... No, sorry.
01:13:50
Speaker
That was actually made with B3.
01:13:54
Speaker
Maybe they're competing.
01:13:55
Speaker
There's two Princess Brides coming out.
01:13:59
Speaker
It's not the Princess Bride.
01:14:01
Speaker
It's the Prince King.
01:14:03
Speaker
Or the King, whatever.
01:14:05
Speaker
The Groom King.
01:14:08
Speaker
Okay, I want to transition back to fun stuff though.
01:14:12
Speaker
Okay, Shane, you are assembling a home arcade with 10 machines.
01:14:19
Speaker
Oh, man.
01:14:19
Speaker
Which 10 are you picking?
01:14:22
Speaker
What are the 10 most expensive?
01:14:25
Speaker
Or the 10 that won't lose me money.
01:14:27
Speaker
Okay, you can't buy in Liquidate.
01:14:29
Speaker
This is not a Gene Wishing for More Wishes situation.
01:14:32
Speaker
Supreme, Big Bang Bar, Medieval Madness.
01:14:37
Speaker
Man, it's tough.
01:14:38
Speaker
I think I like... I don't know if I like a lot of the games that people love.
01:14:44
Speaker
For example, Attack from Mars...
01:14:51
Speaker
It's fun.
01:14:52
Speaker
I played a million times.
01:14:54
Speaker
I don't really know if I want to own one.
01:14:56
Speaker
It's kind of a one-trick pony.
01:14:57
Speaker
You know what I mean?
01:14:59
Speaker
It's a fun game.
01:15:00
Speaker
Okay, does price not matter?
01:15:05
Speaker
Price doesn't matter?
01:15:07
Speaker
This is without price.
01:15:09
Speaker
I want 10 games and you can say why you're picking each game.
01:15:12
Speaker
Okay.
01:15:13
Speaker
Oh, this is so hard.
01:15:14
Speaker
Um, well, I'll, I'll, I'll start with Godzilla black and white.
01:15:17
Speaker
There you go.
01:15:18
Speaker
Okay.
01:15:19
Speaker
That's, that's the, the goat right there and it's beautiful.
01:15:22
Speaker
So I'll, I'll put that one, not in the, well, I'll put it in the corner where I can see the side of that cabinet.
01:15:28
Speaker
That's for sure.
01:15:29
Speaker
Um, Ooh, man.
01:15:33
Speaker
Um,
01:15:35
Speaker
You guys really put me on the spot here.
01:15:37
Speaker
This is tough.
01:15:38
Speaker
I'm keeping my Foo Fighters LE.
01:15:40
Speaker
That's for sure.
01:15:40
Speaker
Okay.
01:15:41
Speaker
Got to keep that.
01:15:42
Speaker
That's two.
01:15:43
Speaker
That's two.
01:15:44
Speaker
Okay.
01:15:46
Speaker
You've got to try Scott Denise's.
01:15:48
Speaker
Have you tried... You've never been in his room, right?
01:15:51
Speaker
His sensory room for TNA.
01:15:54
Speaker
No.
01:15:55
Speaker
Wait.
01:15:55
Speaker
No, I don't know anything about this.
01:15:57
Speaker
Okay.
01:15:57
Speaker
Next time you're in Chicago, hit me up and I will give you Scott Denise's number.
01:16:03
Speaker
And we...
01:16:05
Speaker
he's built this room that the game is in and the whole game, the whole room shakes and it's all lit and everything.
Shane's Favorite Pinball Machines
01:16:12
Speaker
And it's got fog machines.
01:16:15
Speaker
It's, it's a whole, it's a whole nother level of pinball.
01:16:18
Speaker
It's insane.
01:16:19
Speaker
Wow.
01:16:20
Speaker
That is, that is wild.
01:16:22
Speaker
No, I, um, yes.
01:16:23
Speaker
I'm, and I'm keeping my TNA too.
01:16:25
Speaker
I'm keeping my, my TNA, uh, collector's edition or whatever the, the, the new one I got.
01:16:30
Speaker
Definitely.
01:16:30
Speaker
I'm keeping those.
01:16:32
Speaker
Um, um,
01:16:33
Speaker
Is Lord of the Rings making my top 10?
01:16:35
Speaker
I don't know.
01:16:36
Speaker
I don't know.
01:16:37
Speaker
It's a great game.
01:16:38
Speaker
I don't think it's making the top 10.
01:16:41
Speaker
I might have Elton John in there.
01:16:43
Speaker
I might have Elton John.
01:16:46
Speaker
Collectors Edition.
01:16:47
Speaker
It's beautiful.
01:16:48
Speaker
And I think it's
01:16:50
Speaker
probably one of the great one of the greatest and now I gotta think about some other games that's four right that's four that's four I gotta go with something like fun and campy maybe like a fishtails it's like I know it's like I know you can get one for like five or six grand now probably maybe even less I love that game that's a fun game it's fun I'm gonna I'm gonna have a fishtails in there one of my early picks what else weird from the 90s can we do
01:17:21
Speaker
Maybe a junkyard.
01:17:23
Speaker
I played that a lot as a kid.
01:17:24
Speaker
You want a doctor dude?
01:17:27
Speaker
Dr. Dude's all right.
01:17:29
Speaker
No, I'll take a junkyard.
01:17:30
Speaker
And then let's, let's go with some more, some more real dreamy ones.
01:17:33
Speaker
Okay.
01:17:33
Speaker
I don't know if anybody else put junkyard in their 10 own like home games.
01:17:38
Speaker
No, but I like some weird ones too.
01:17:42
Speaker
Speaking of weird skateball, have you played a skateball?
01:17:44
Speaker
No.
01:17:45
Speaker
They are insanely trippy.
01:17:48
Speaker
It's from 1980.
01:17:51
Speaker
I'm not thinking the right one.
01:17:53
Speaker
I apologize.
01:17:54
Speaker
I am not.
01:17:55
Speaker
Scott, what was the one that we played in Chicago and is just like
01:17:59
Speaker
It's weird because you shoot into a ramp and it goes into another ramp.
01:18:05
Speaker
It just ramps everywhere.
01:18:07
Speaker
Okay.
01:18:08
Speaker
It wasn't skateboard.
01:18:10
Speaker
It was... Someone's listening right now and they're like, you idiots.
01:18:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:18:16
Speaker
Okay.
01:18:18
Speaker
I know exactly where it is.
01:18:19
Speaker
It's at Logan Arcade.
01:18:21
Speaker
It's on the Pulp Fiction row.
01:18:24
Speaker
And it was five from the aisle.
01:18:27
Speaker
So I've pulled up Logan Arcade.
01:18:30
Speaker
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
01:18:31
Speaker
Radical.
01:18:31
Speaker
It's Radical.
01:18:32
Speaker
I just barely found it.
01:18:34
Speaker
Yeah.
01:18:34
Speaker
Okay.
01:18:38
Speaker
Have you ever played a Radical, Shane?
01:18:40
Speaker
I don't think I've played a Radical.
01:18:41
Speaker
No.
01:18:42
Speaker
It's, yeah, it's a little bit like, oh, what's the up and down one?
01:18:49
Speaker
The...
01:18:50
Speaker
But Bonsai run?
01:18:51
Speaker
Not Blackwater 2000.
01:18:52
Speaker
The one with the... Blackwater 2000 is a good example, though.
01:18:57
Speaker
Yeah, it feels a little bit like Blackwater 2000.
01:18:59
Speaker
Or 500.
01:19:00
Speaker
Blackwater 500.
01:19:01
Speaker
Blackwater 500 and the motorcycle one that goes up in the back glass.
01:19:08
Speaker
Yeah, that's... That's not Blackwater.
01:19:12
Speaker
That's... Pat Lawler did it.
01:19:14
Speaker
Yeah, it was his first one.
01:19:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:19:17
Speaker
Anyway, okay.
01:19:18
Speaker
Okay, Shane, back to your... Okay.
01:19:21
Speaker
All right.
01:19:22
Speaker
I had to pull up inside because I can't do this off the top of my head.
01:19:27
Speaker
But okay.
01:19:29
Speaker
I got to have... I think I got to have a Theater of Magic in there.
01:19:33
Speaker
Yes.
01:19:34
Speaker
That's a good one.
01:19:35
Speaker
That's a good one.
01:19:36
Speaker
And maybe Circus Voltaire I'd have, but if I already got Theater of Magic, do I want to...
01:19:42
Speaker
Magic circus games.
01:19:44
Speaker
I would take circus full terror just because it has an awesome creepy factor.
01:19:47
Speaker
It is sick.
01:19:49
Speaker
Yeah.
01:19:49
Speaker
Yeah.
01:19:50
Speaker
It is super sick.
01:19:52
Speaker
Um, maybe a twilight zone.
01:19:56
Speaker
Really?
01:19:56
Speaker
Okay.
01:19:57
Speaker
Yeah.
01:19:57
Speaker
I like Twilight Zone.
01:19:58
Speaker
I think it's a bit of a drainer sometimes, but it's... Yeah.
01:20:03
Speaker
If it's set up right... I was at this place out in Buffalo, New York.
01:20:10
Speaker
My parents live close to Niagara Falls, so right near the border.
01:20:13
Speaker
And it's called Pocketeer, if anybody knows this place.
01:20:18
Speaker
It's incredible.
01:20:19
Speaker
They've got like 80 or 90 machines.
01:20:20
Speaker
Yeah.
01:20:22
Speaker
And they've got all the modern games and they've got a really good selection of older ones.
01:20:27
Speaker
But what sets that place apart is they're all just tuned up so well.
01:20:33
Speaker
And I've never played a Twilight Zone like that.
01:20:36
Speaker
And when a Twilight Zone, I didn't know it was possible for it to play that good with speed and just like, oh man, when that machine plays good, it is fun.
01:20:46
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:20:46
Speaker
The fun game.
01:20:47
Speaker
Yeah, Pocketeer, anyone's in Buffalo area?
01:20:50
Speaker
You got to check that out.
01:20:51
Speaker
If the rumors are true and there's a Twilight Zone being remade as we speak, are you going to pick it up?
01:20:56
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I don't know.
01:20:57
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Maybe.
01:20:57
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Yeah, I've heard about that rumor too.
01:20:59
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I might.
01:20:59
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I don't know.
01:21:00
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I might.
01:21:01
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I mean, if it's getting remade, there's obviously a demand for it.
01:21:03
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There's people like me.
01:21:04
Speaker
They're putting it in their top 10, I guess.
01:21:07
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All right.
01:21:08
Speaker
Is that five?
01:21:08
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How many is that?
01:21:09
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Did I pick?
01:21:09
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I don't even know.
01:21:10
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I think that's like eight.
01:21:11
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Okay.
01:21:11
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No, wait.
01:21:12
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You had Godzilla.
01:21:14
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You had your TNA.
01:21:16
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You had Elton John.
01:21:18
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And I had Foo Fighters.
01:21:19
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You had Foo Fighters.
01:21:20
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Then you also had Junkyard.
01:21:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:21:23
Speaker
I might take that one back now.
01:21:25
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Yeah, see, I told you.
01:21:26
Speaker
No one's putting Junkyard in their top 10.
01:21:28
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I might take that one back, yes.
01:21:29
Speaker
There was Junkyard.
01:21:30
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There was also... It's just nostalgia for me.
01:21:34
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Fishtail.
01:21:36
Speaker
I do like Fishtail.
01:21:37
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A lot of it's nostalgia, though.
01:21:39
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These are the games that the arcade had when I was a kid, you know?
01:21:42
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And then that's... Terminator 2, not my favorite game.
01:21:45
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I kind of want one, though.
01:21:46
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But it's not my top 10.
01:21:47
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It's not my top 10.
01:21:49
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Well, okay.
01:21:51
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I'll take a JJP Pirates.
01:21:53
Speaker
okay okay that's a good one yeah and you're a seven if i that's seven now okay you said theater magic was another one okay that's eight i did have theater magic and twilight zone that's nine okay and oh for my final pick i'm going with pinball circus there's only two in the world yeah okay i i know
01:22:15
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And the one here doesn't work in Vegas at the Pimple Hall of Fame.
01:22:20
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And I see it.
01:22:20
Speaker
It's there.
01:22:21
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It sits there.
01:22:22
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And I'd love to play it, but it's always broken.
01:22:26
Speaker
They still don't have it fixed?
01:22:28
Speaker
No.
01:22:29
Speaker
No.
01:22:30
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It's broken.
01:22:31
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And Wizard of Oz is also broken.
01:22:33
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And apparently they just can never be fixed.
01:22:36
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I've tried to have conversations with that guy about it.
01:22:38
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And he's like, yeah, it's never going to happen.
01:22:40
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So, I don't know.
01:22:42
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The challenge is...
01:22:45
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It could be done with the right administration and the right staffing.
01:22:49
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I guess I'll put it that way.
01:22:51
Speaker
You hit the nail on the head, man.
01:22:53
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It's like, I still go there probably weekly.
01:22:58
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Yeah.
01:22:59
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Cause it's, I mean, it's great.
01:23:00
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And they, they have like, I have all the modern machines and it's fun.
01:23:05
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And I, every time I'm there, I play something weird and old.
01:23:08
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Cause there's still like something there that I'll, I'll be able to check out.
01:23:11
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But man, I just, I just wish that place had a little bit of vibe.
01:23:17
Speaker
Yeah.
01:23:17
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Just a little bit of like, like just somewhere I can, you know, buy
Pinball Hall of Fame and Game Preferences
01:23:22
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a drink.
01:23:22
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That's not an eventing machine.
01:23:23
Speaker
You know, it has the vibe of a vendor Terrier or a Kmart.
01:23:29
Speaker
I'd argue Kmart has more vibe.
01:23:31
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Yeah.
01:23:32
Speaker
It's maybe the back, the shipping receiving room of the Kmart.
01:23:37
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It's more akin to the vibe.
01:23:39
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:23:41
Speaker
So, yeah, but I, no, I mean, I support the place and I go there and everything and, you know, they got tournaments and stuff that, but I don't know.
01:23:49
Speaker
I just, I just wish, yeah, I wish they just, the guy like,
01:23:55
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you know, give a little bit away, you know, and get someone else in there to kind of manage the place.
01:24:00
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And I know they had a bunch of techs fixing the game, but I think like some of them were just kind of handcuffed with what they were like allowed to do.
01:24:08
Speaker
You know, they weren't having like, they didn't give them, you know, free reign to like, okay, I can fix this machine.
01:24:15
Speaker
Well, I think they had, they were definitely micromanaged on everything, you know, and that's, that's too bad.
01:24:22
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Okay.
01:24:22
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So that's actually a pretty solid time.
01:24:25
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Well, thank you.
01:24:26
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I, I, I just, if you gave me, I guarantee you, if you said, all right, like if you asked me yesterday, I'd, I'd have that on lockdown.
01:24:35
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Cause now I'm looking for what else, what else I need.
01:24:39
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What else do I need?
01:24:41
Speaker
Any glitz?
01:24:42
Speaker
Let me ask you this, any surprises and anything that I'm like, I really should have had in there.
01:24:47
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Uh, fishtails was a surprise for me.
01:24:49
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Yeah, I agree.
01:24:50
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It's a nostalgic one for me.
01:24:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:24:52
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And for me, that's a little bit more like, uh, contra on the NES.
01:24:57
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Like it's not a great game, but I'll still pull it up and throw the 30 guys in and go to the end of it and call it good.
01:25:04
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Yep.
01:25:04
Speaker
That's a great example.
01:25:06
Speaker
Um, I like another game I love from, from that era.
01:25:09
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That's not really very good is like, I love pin bot.
01:25:13
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Because that was like the game.
01:25:14
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It was everywhere as a kid.
01:25:16
Speaker
It's so bad.
01:25:17
Speaker
It's bad.
01:25:18
Speaker
It's bad.
01:25:18
Speaker
Jackpot is better too.
01:25:20
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Yeah.
01:25:20
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But it's, yeah, I don't know.
01:25:22
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There's games that I just like really just like I grew up with.
01:25:26
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Like World Cup soccer, I probably could put that.
01:25:29
Speaker
I mean, it's in your lineup, dude.
01:25:30
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:25:31
Speaker
It's one of my first games and it's been here.
01:25:33
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It's almost been in my house for a decade now.
01:25:35
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Yeah.
01:25:36
Speaker
Okay.
01:25:37
Speaker
I am surprised that there are a couple that I would –
01:25:39
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I would definitely consider it.
01:25:41
Speaker
I mean, now what you're not seeing is on the wall opposite from me is I have attack from Mars, medieval madness, monster bash, cactus, and Beatles.
01:25:51
Speaker
Oh, monster bash.
01:25:52
Speaker
That would be there.
01:25:53
Speaker
That is going to pick a from all those months.
01:25:55
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Yeah.
01:25:56
Speaker
That's when I forgot.
01:25:57
Speaker
I love monster bash.
01:25:58
Speaker
Yeah, but I'm just glancing through top 100.
01:26:02
Speaker
And here are a couple that I thought would have gotten some consideration from you.
01:26:08
Speaker
You know what?
01:26:11
Speaker
Guns N' Roses.
01:26:12
Speaker
I'm a little surprised.
01:26:12
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:26:15
Speaker
I don't know.
01:26:16
Speaker
I don't really like the way it shoots.
01:26:18
Speaker
Okay, I've always said that it's an experience game.
01:26:21
Speaker
It's not necessarily my best layout, but no game brings the experience of a concert in more like that.
01:26:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's got a great light show.
01:26:31
Speaker
I agree with that.
01:26:32
Speaker
And I don't know, everyone I've played, I think, ever has been kind of messed up.
01:26:38
Speaker
I don't know.
01:26:38
Speaker
I think a lot of things can go wrong with that game.
01:26:40
Speaker
That's fair.
01:26:41
Speaker
Okay, yeah, I'm kind of looking to figure out if there's any glaring ones.
01:26:52
Speaker
Actually, you know, I'm kind of surprised there wasn't like some rando one from the 80s, like High Speed.
01:26:59
Speaker
I like High Speed.
01:27:00
Speaker
High Speed's cool.
01:27:01
Speaker
I like Black Knight 2000 a lot, actually.
01:27:04
Speaker
That's a fun game.
01:27:05
Speaker
Yeah, there's a bunch, man.
01:27:07
Speaker
Or like Flash, Flash Gordon.
01:27:09
Speaker
Yeah, there's a bunch, man.
01:27:11
Speaker
What about you, Josh?
01:27:15
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I don't know.
01:27:17
Speaker
I don't, everyone's tastes are so personal.
01:27:19
Speaker
I just don't know.
01:27:20
Speaker
Oh, geez.
01:27:20
Speaker
This isn't a politically correct thing.
01:27:22
Speaker
You're not running for office.
01:27:23
Speaker
Tell him where he's wrong.
01:27:26
Speaker
I'm not a huge fan of fishtails, but I own the game for a little while and it just, I love the humor of it and everything like that, but I feel like it is a one trick pony.
01:27:36
Speaker
It's like either you shoot the ship and then you, you go for the big monster and then,
01:27:41
Speaker
Multi-ball is fun.
01:27:42
Speaker
Actually, the video mode in that game is pretty awesome.
01:27:44
Speaker
Video mode is hilarious in that game.
01:27:46
Speaker
Yes.
01:27:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's better than the video mode in Baywatch.
01:27:50
Speaker
Although I do like Baywatch too.
01:27:52
Speaker
Baywatch is kind of an underrated game.
01:27:54
Speaker
It really is.
01:27:55
Speaker
That's not in the top 100 on Pinside, I don't think.
01:27:57
Speaker
And I think it probably should be.
01:27:59
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Yeah, I agree.
01:28:00
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think it's actually in the top 100.
01:28:02
Speaker
No, I don't think it is.
01:28:04
Speaker
But I mean, I don't know, man.
01:28:05
Speaker
It's hard.
01:28:06
Speaker
So many of these modern games, a lot of them
01:28:09
Speaker
I don't, I don't like, I wouldn't want a lineup of 10 modern stars.
Modern Game Similarities and Jaws Pinball Mechanics
01:28:14
Speaker
And even though they're great, it's just like a lot of them feel very similar, you know?
01:28:20
Speaker
And like, yeah, like, and, and Keith Elwin is amazing, but a lot of his games do have a sort of a similar feel, whether Avengers or jaws.
01:28:27
Speaker
Like I don't, they kind of do feel sort of similar to me.
01:28:31
Speaker
Yeah.
01:28:32
Speaker
I will say I was shocked with jaws that,
01:28:35
Speaker
I feel like it shoots more safe than I was anticipating.
01:28:39
Speaker
I feel like it shoots, once you get in the groove of it, you can really make that game flow.
01:28:45
Speaker
And I was expecting more danger to it, which you can always remove posts and yada, yada.
01:28:51
Speaker
You can make any game harder.
01:28:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:28:53
Speaker
But it's definitely a fun game.
01:28:55
Speaker
Well, Josh, I think the thing with Jaws, it's kind of like there's two in lanes because you've got that other flipper on the right, the mini flipper, and you can hold the ball anytime you want.
01:29:08
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So that really slows the game down.
01:29:09
Speaker
And it's kind of like you got a lot of that.
01:29:12
Speaker
And you got the ball save gate thing.
01:29:17
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:29:17
Speaker
The overship or close call.
01:29:19
Speaker
Yeah.
01:29:20
Speaker
Yeah, you got that.
01:29:21
Speaker
And you've got the button, whatever it is, the orange button that you hit to ball save in the left out lane.
01:29:26
Speaker
So there's so many ways to get out of trouble in that game, which is fun.
01:29:31
Speaker
But also, I find in tournaments, that's a long playing game sometimes.
01:29:36
Speaker
It's funny because the life ring on Jaws has conditioned me now, so I'll be playing another game.
01:29:43
Speaker
It goes to the left out lane.
01:29:44
Speaker
I heard he slapped the button.
01:29:45
Speaker
I'm like, oh, wait, that's in Jaws.
01:29:47
Speaker
That's not the name thing.
01:29:48
Speaker
Every stern is like that for me because Foo Fighters, it's the same thing.
01:29:51
Speaker
If you're with a mission and you got that light on, it's like, oh, before you drain, you got to hit that to hit one shot.
01:29:58
Speaker
It's like, oh, at least get an extra 10 million points or whatever.
01:30:03
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Every stern always happens right before...
01:30:05
Speaker
before I drain, I'm hitting that button, even if it's, whether it's on or not.
01:30:11
Speaker
Yeah, I did the same thing.
01:30:12
Speaker
I was just playing Godzilla and I, I think I hit the, the Tesla strike after I drained.
01:30:17
Speaker
I'm like, that doesn't work, but it's flashing.
01:30:19
Speaker
It's flashing.
01:30:21
Speaker
Well, we appreciate you coming on Shane.
01:30:23
Speaker
Is there, is there any questions that we didn't ask that you've just been dying to like get out there?
01:30:28
Speaker
What did we miss?
01:30:30
Speaker
No, your questions and... Well, first of all, thanks for having me on.
01:30:34
Speaker
But no, your questions were better than my top 10.
01:30:35
Speaker
That's for sure.
01:30:37
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Definitely.
01:30:39
Speaker
I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be like, what the... What did I say?
01:30:45
Speaker
Fish Hill, Junkyard.
01:30:48
Speaker
There are great games.
01:30:49
Speaker
I stand by... But then there's other games.
01:30:52
Speaker
I love Whitewater too.
01:30:53
Speaker
That's another game.
01:30:54
Speaker
I love that game.
01:30:56
Speaker
I'm just going to be thinking about
01:30:58
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It's just impossible answer.
01:31:00
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But anyway, no, no, man, we covered a lot of stuff.
01:31:03
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I like that.
01:31:03
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We talked about a lot of band pin stuff.
01:31:06
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Cause I feel like that doesn't get talked about a lot.
01:31:08
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The, the interest of that, you know, they're just kind of lumped in with other ones, but I think they have a very unique, unique,
01:31:16
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it's a very unique license, right?
01:31:18
Speaker
Because it's such a small group of people in control of that, where that doesn't happen with movies or TV, you know, or comic books or whatever at all.
Challenges of Licensing Music for Pinball
01:31:29
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And I know the story that people get tired of hearing, but it's just goes to show like, so with guns and roses, right?
01:31:35
Speaker
Like Eric was having a hard time trying to get a live and let die because that's originally a Beatles song.
01:31:40
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And it's a Paul McCartney song.
01:31:42
Speaker
Oh, it's a Paul McCartney song.
01:31:43
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Sorry.
01:31:44
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So they were having, it's actually wings.
01:31:45
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If we're getting really technical, but they were having a hard time getting that song and slash called up just to see the progress.
01:31:53
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And he's like, well, we're going great except for getting live and let die.
01:31:57
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And he's like, give me 15 minutes.
01:31:58
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And then he's on a three-way call 15 minutes later with Paul McCartney and slash.
01:32:02
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And he's like, yeah, it's not a big deal.
01:32:03
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We'll, we'll take care of it.
01:32:05
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Yeah.
01:32:06
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Right.
01:32:06
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Meanwhile, like, like all the John wick stuff, like with the guns and you know, all that, like it's yeah, it's all that stuff is so there's just so many people in red tape and different matters of opinion and all that.
01:32:19
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I can't even imagine.
01:32:20
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And things are constantly changing.
01:32:21
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It's like the band,
01:32:23
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is the band, right?
01:32:25
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And the management is probably the same management.
01:32:27
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And like, I understand that it could be with certain albums on different labels, you could have trouble with the music.
01:32:33
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But the thing about that is no one can really say no.
01:32:39
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It's just a matter of like paying for it.
01:32:41
Speaker
So, you know, and it's not, most of that stuff is not that expensive, especially when you're talking about the quantity of games manufactured.
01:32:50
Speaker
Yeah.
01:32:51
Speaker
Yeah.
01:32:51
Speaker
You know, we're talking about, not talking about millions of units here.
01:32:54
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So I think that all matters too, right?
01:32:56
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For, for what it is.
01:32:57
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So yeah, I, I think, I think it's cool.
01:33:00
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And I think that there's a lot of room for, for more band pins.
01:33:04
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And I know some people don't like them.
01:33:06
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If you're not, if you're not a music fan, then I get it.
01:33:08
Speaker
Right.
01:33:08
Speaker
But I don't know.
01:33:10
Speaker
Some of them are the best.
01:33:11
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Some of them are the best shooters too.
01:33:13
Speaker
I'm going to call you.
01:33:14
Speaker
It still kills.
01:33:15
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:33:15
Speaker
You're top 10.
01:33:17
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No bands.
01:33:19
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I had two fighters.
01:33:20
Speaker
Oh, okay, fine.
01:33:21
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You know, you know what?
01:33:22
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I think if they may, if they made a modern, if Metallica is coming, if there's the spike three, there are all these rumors.
01:33:28
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If this is happening, that might be in my top 10 too.
01:33:32
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Cause I like, I like Metallica well enough.
01:33:36
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Um, man, if there was a new layout, Oh my God, I would be all over that.
01:33:40
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If they, if someone, if, you know, if Stern modernize that, I'd be all about that one.
01:33:46
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But, um, but even if it's the same layout, just, just with a, you know, updated, I think that could still be really, really awesome to have it shoot really well.
01:33:56
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:33:56
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I'm all about that too.
01:33:59
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I agree.
01:34:01
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Cool.
01:34:01
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Thanks.
01:34:02
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Thanks for coming on.
01:34:03
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If people want to get ahold of you or if they want to catch you on tour, how do they do it?
01:34:06
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Oh yeah.
01:34:07
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Yeah.
01:34:07
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Yeah.
01:34:07
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I don't know.
01:34:08
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Just look me up.
01:34:10
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I don't know.
01:34:10
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It's called Silverstein.
01:34:12
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My name is Shane told you can, you can find me on Instagram.
01:34:15
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That's probably the social, it's really the only social media I use regularly.
01:34:20
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And yeah.
01:34:20
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And if you want to hear my podcast where I talk a lot more about music with other singers, it's called lead singer syndrome.
01:34:27
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Awesome.
01:34:29
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Content creator.
01:34:30
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Do you have one for Scott today?
01:34:35
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No, I will throw it out there.
01:34:37
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Kinesis slash this week in pinball.
01:34:39
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Colin, if you aren't checking out his stuff, he's getting more and more in the groove.
01:34:42
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He's doing really great.
01:34:44
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If you want more condensed news article style stuff, he's definitely the way to go.
01:34:48
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So check out Colin with Kinesis and this week in pinball.
01:34:52
Speaker
uh if you want to get a hold of us i like his game tips have you seen that yes yeah i like that like last minute in tournament i've never played this game before i call that up real quick he tells me what to shoot for it's good yeah thanks bud i like also he has a song of the week for all of his newsletters as well oh i like that and so that way he's like here's the vibe i've been doing this week you know so
01:35:13
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Um, if you want to get ahold of us, we are loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.
01:35:18
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And you're more than welcome to send more emails about Scott talking about pin dready.
01:35:25
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Uh, but if you want to get ahold of us on the socials, it's at loser kid pinball.
01:35:28
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That's on Facebook, Instagram X, uh, all that jazz Scott, send us off with your last, last words.
01:35:35
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You know what?
01:35:35
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You should go and check out Shane's podcast.
01:35:38
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That's my last word.
01:35:39
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And be good to each other and buy a Jaws 70.
01:35:42
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It looks awesome.