Ep 142: Shane Told of Silverstein

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Speaker: Thanks for tuning into the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.

Speaker: I am Josh Rupp.

Speaker: With me, my co-host... Scott Larson.

Speaker: And I guess it's co-captain.

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Speaker: Son of a gun.

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Speaker: And Scott...

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Speaker: Rumors have been spreading quickly like wildfire now that those XL displays have popped up.

Speaker: Well, and things pop up for a reason, right?

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: Okay, I didn't say it, but we're on episode 142.

Speaker: So welcome to 142.

Speaker: I'm excited for our guest today.

Speaker: Me personally, I grew up listening to punk rock and emo and stuff like that.

Speaker: And this band's album, Discovering the Waterfront, I felt like really pushed some awesome...

Speaker: boundaries in that rock genre uh and they've just they've aged like a fine wine man and the gentleman we have with us right now drink wine so i don't drink wine but i can appreciate those that do uh so if you don't know the band silverstein you might know his podcast lead singer syndrome we've got shane told on with us how you doing today shane what's up guys thanks for having me this is cool i've actually never appeared on a pinball podcast before so this is my first uh my first one

Speaker: I know you've been doing your podcast for what, nine years now or something like that?

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: A long time.

Speaker: I just, I think I'm at like 360 something episodes now.

Speaker: Dang.

Speaker: So yeah, it's, it's pretty wild.

Speaker: But yeah, I enjoy it.

Speaker: I love podcast.

Speaker: I just love the format, you know, long form, you know, you get really into the little details.

Speaker: I love that stuff.

Speaker: So it's great.

Speaker: Keep it a family friendly.

Speaker: Keep it PG up in here.

Speaker: No, I totally get you.

Speaker: And it's nice too, because like my job, I work a lot by myself with heating, air conditioning.

Speaker: So it's nice to turn on a conversation and listen to like, I'm a big fan of the Spill Canvas and Motion City soundtrack.

Speaker: And you did interviews with both their main singers.

Speaker: And it's, you get a lot of information you just wouldn't hear otherwise.

Speaker: And it's insanely cool.

Speaker: Well, yeah, there's that.

Speaker: And also just that people, other singers know that I know that

Speaker: So they kind of give a more complete answer to me.

Speaker: Do you know what I mean?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: They know that they can't BS me, right?

Speaker: So sometimes we get really into the nitty gritty and I like that part.

Speaker: So yeah, if anybody wants to hear me blab more about music with other singers, yeah, it's called Lead Singer Syndrome.

Speaker: You can find it wherever you find your podcasts.

Speaker: Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

Speaker: I didn't know that you had...

Speaker: apparently a fake feud with motion city soundtrack.

Speaker: Cause he bought a terrible magician's wig and worked on stage.

Speaker: Yes, we did.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: We, uh, we were on warp tour and man, that would have, it must've been like 20, 2006 or something.

Speaker: And yeah, we, we were so bored, you know, back in those days, you know, we didn't have, we didn't have podcasts yet.

Speaker: I don't think you didn't have cell phone.

Speaker: I didn't come out yet.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So there was a lot of downtime, a lot of board, boring, uh, boringness.

Speaker: So we had to make up fake feuds with people we actually liked.

Speaker: Wait, wait, wait, all the celebrity feuds are made up?

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: The funniest ones are when you see like some of the rap feuds and it's like the two rappers are on the same record label and you're like, come on, you got to see through this.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's funny though.

Speaker: Or, Hey, they showed up on the beach, like, uh, riding their skateboard and totally like jacked up, you know, after they've been working out and it's like, yeah, this is not a, this is not a publicity shoot at all whatsoever.

Speaker: It's like, they just happened to be on the beach.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, I don't know if many people know this, but your band is originally from Toronto, but you moved to Vegas a couple.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: 20 years ago.

Speaker: Is that what we were talking about?

Speaker: No, I think my sisters lived here for 20 years.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: And that's kind of how I started coming here so much.

Speaker: I'm here in Vegas right now.

Speaker: I live here now.

Speaker: I've only been here for like a year and a half, actually.

Speaker: But my sister's been here for 20 years.

Speaker: So every Christmas I would visit, you know, she's got the big family and Vegas became kind of like my second home.

Speaker: So, yeah, I really like it here.

Speaker: It's a little new to me and living in the U.S. is a lot different than living in Canada.

Speaker: Like this is a really weird thing that I've you guys are from is it Salt Lake, Utah, right?

Speaker: Yeah, I'm close to the Salt Lake area.

Speaker: Josh is in dinosaur land.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: And this is like, I'm not trying to get political or anything, but this just was really weird to me.

Speaker: Went to a McDonald's last night to get some French fries at like, you know, 1030 p.m.

Speaker: And walk in, you know, waiting for the fries.

Speaker: And there's like these kids, like 18 year old kids or 19 year old kids probably walk in.

Speaker: And one of them just straight up has like a gun.

Speaker: Like, you know, like in a holster or whatever.

Speaker: Yeah, open carry, like in a McDonald's.

Speaker: And he's just like, I mean, these are the kind of guys, like,

Speaker: You don't know.

Speaker: You don't think anyone's going to try anything, really.

Speaker: But like they had that look about him like you're kind of keeping an eye on him.

Speaker: The guy's wearing an EZE T-shirt, you know, and he's got a gun, you know.

Speaker: And I'm like, oh, man, this is weird.

Speaker: This is like not something that you see in Ontario, Canada, you know.

Speaker: And so that like things like that once in a while take me back, take me aback a little bit.

Speaker: But other than that, yeah, I really like it here a lot.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I was going to say, you should come visit me because in Dinosaur Land, this is where Doc Holliday and Sundance Kid and all them were.

Speaker: And it's not unusual for the Cowboys to show up in the grocery aisle with six shooters on both hips.

Speaker: It's a trip, man.

Speaker: It's a trip.

Speaker: And I know there's concealed carry and people, you know, and I don't know, whatever.

Speaker: It's just kind of surprising to me.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: That's what I'm used to.

Speaker: I will say in Utah, it's actually a very gun friendly state, I guess.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I moved here.

Speaker: I had no idea.

Speaker: But like, I've never actually gone into a store and seen someone like with a, with a, with a gun on their, on their hip or something.

Speaker: So it's,

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, I had seen it in a parking lot.

Speaker: I'd seen it, you know, like that.

Speaker: But like, you know, I don't know.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Like an old cowboy looking guy.

Speaker: This this guy looked like he was tall, lanky.

Speaker: OK.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, it was.

Speaker: Yeah, it was.

Speaker: Interesting.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: OK.

Speaker: But this was not Utah.

Speaker: This was Vegas.

Speaker: This is.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: This is like this is Vegas.

Speaker: Like right.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Right down the street from where I live, you know, 10 minutes from the strip.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: But everything else is, it's pretty per usual.

Speaker: I like, I really like it here.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I like it.

Speaker: And the heat doesn't scare me too much.

Speaker: I think cause I grew up in like the coldest place ever.

Speaker: So now I'm like, how, like 108.

Speaker: Oh, I think we can go hotter, baby.

Speaker: Let's go hotter.

Speaker: 110.

Speaker: Woo.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, I, I, I think it's funny and, and,

Speaker: I mean, it's like there's air conditioning everywhere.

Speaker: There's shade everywhere.

Speaker: It's like, you know, a lot of places you don't really have to go outside.

Speaker: So it's, yeah, it's not really a big deal for me.

Speaker: It's way better than the cold.

Speaker: That's for sure.

Speaker: Well, I've had it explained to me that almost every place, unless you're San Diego has like three months out of the year that no one goes outside.

Speaker: Yeah, that's pretty true.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And in the north, it's the wintertime.

Speaker: So you're basically heating your house and in the sand states, it's the summertime and you're just air conditioning your house.

Speaker: And so it's a flip flop.

Speaker: Yeah, that's a really good way to put it.

Speaker: But in Utah, we've decided to snowboard and ski in those winter months when you don't want to go.

Speaker: Yeah, we don't even really, we don't really even have that in Toronto because we don't have mountains or anything.

Speaker: Like there's some ski, like mini dinky ski resorts, but like, that's not really even a thing.

Speaker: So yeah, it's just like everyone plays hockey, I guess, you know, that's all we got.

Speaker: Yeah, well, thankfully, though, because of air conditioning, I was actually going on vacation, and my air conditioning went out.

Speaker: And I called Josh, and I said, hey, dude, my air conditioning's out, and they can't fix it for five days, so what do I do?

Speaker: So just in case you guys have any air conditioning issues, you can call Josh, and he can guide you through it.

Speaker: And I changed my own capacitor.

Speaker: Oh, wow.

Speaker: Look at that.

Speaker: Wild stuff.

Speaker: What was it?

Speaker: One screw, or I guess four screws and three wires, and you were good to go.

Speaker: Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker: And actually the panel, because the capacitor wasn't exactly the same size as the original one.

Speaker: And so the panel's kind of like janky back on there, but it's still on there.

Speaker: So yeah.

Speaker: And that probably saved you probably a lot of money.

Speaker: A couple hundred bucks.

Speaker: At least, yeah.

Speaker: The capacitor did cost me 25 bucks.

Speaker: So, you know, it's... Okay.

Speaker: Giving away secrets on the air.

Speaker: I know, right?

Speaker: Shane, so we've got a little bit of a list of questions here for you.

Speaker: And the first one, we've got to ask the... I know Shane or Zach Manny is going to go, but how'd you get into pinball?

Speaker: What's your pinball origins?

Speaker: What does he care?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: The topper king needs to calm down.

Speaker: Well, I mean, I think it's like most people.

Speaker: So I'm 43.

Speaker: So, you know, I grew up in the early 90s going to arcades and stuff.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And just playing all those early, you know, all those like Bally Williams games, you know.

Speaker: like Terminator 2 is one I remember really well, you know, and, and, you know, just a couple of, like, I see you have a world cup soccer back there.

Speaker: Josh, that, that's still one of my favorites.

Speaker: Cause I played the crap out of that game, you know, when I was a teenager.

Speaker: So yeah, I mean, I got into it a lot just, just through, through being, being a kid.

Speaker: And I think for a while there,

Speaker: pinball just kind of like it got dark.

Speaker: You know, there wasn't a lot happening.

Speaker: You know, Stern was the only company making games for a long time.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And, and I mean, I think a lot of people kind of forgot about it.

Speaker: And like a lot of people think it was kind of around COVID maybe for me just a little bit before, um,

Speaker: I think sort of reignited my love for it.

Speaker: And, you know, all the barcades that kept popping up everywhere, you know, there's like only so much street fighter two you can play, you know, and, and yeah, just, just started getting really into it again.

Speaker: You know, you get to a point in your life where you got a little bit of money and then you're like, maybe I could buy a machine or two or, you know, and yeah.

Speaker: And the last few years I've been just, just really into it and really loving it.

Speaker: It's, you know, just playing all the time.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Two questions.

Speaker: One on Street Fighter 2, which character?

Speaker: Ken or Ryu.

Speaker: Really?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's my go-to.

Speaker: I was a Chun-Li.

Speaker: I always played Chun-Li.

Speaker: You cheap bastard.

Speaker: I know, but I could win.

Speaker: I could win.

Speaker: I was always impressed with people who played dull scene.

Speaker: Cause I'm just like, I had no idea how to play that dude.

Speaker: Oh, so slow.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: I guess you keep your distance and you're all right.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: But that's the point.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: So what was the, uh, when, during COVID, what was the, what was the pin that drew you back in where you're like, Hey, this is still a thing.

Speaker: Pinball still alive.

Speaker: That's a great question.

Speaker: Maybe it was maybe Iron Maiden.

Speaker: I think that was that was a that was one that was that one.

Speaker: I did see that there behind your head.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Iron Maiden, Star Wars.

Speaker: I think it was really only like it was the modern Stern machines that I think I hadn't seen how crazy they've really gotten, you know, in the last few years or whatever.

Speaker: And that that's kind of when it happened.

Speaker: Um, yeah.

Speaker: And, and yeah, then I just kind of like dove in and was like, all right, what's coming next?

Speaker: Like what else is out there?

Speaker: You know?

Speaker: And some of those Jersey Jack games too, like, yes, you have a wizard of Oz.

Speaker: That's, that's awesome.

Speaker: Like seeing those with like the huge screens, you know, and, and everything they were doing in the light show.

Speaker: It's like, oh my God.

Speaker: It's like, okay, this is pinballs is back like way back.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: Definitely.

Speaker: Loving it.

Speaker: So did you end up buying any pinball machines or were you just kind of still hitting the barcades?

Speaker: Yeah, still hitting the barcade for a while until I came down here.

Speaker: I didn't really have space where I was living in Canada for it.

Speaker: And just my situation, I don't know.

Speaker: I didn't feel like it was something I needed to...

Speaker: have right in my house.

Speaker: And then, I don't know, I moved into this house.

Speaker: I was like, I got a lot of space.

Speaker: I don't know, maybe, you know, and then, um, the machine that put me over the top was, uh, was the Foo Fighters.

Speaker: And I, uh, I had to get, I had to get a Foo Fighters.

Speaker: Oh yes.

Speaker: Did you get the topper?

Speaker: I got the topper.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: I did.

Speaker: I ponied up.

Speaker: I ponied up.

Speaker: I got raked over the coals.

Speaker: The $2,000 topper, the $215 shooter rod or whatever, 227, whatever it was.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: I got them both.

Speaker: And yeah, it was a bit painful, but hey, it looks sick.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: Every time I pay for a topper, I always think, man, this is so expensive.

Speaker: And then I just didn't enjoy looking at them.

Speaker: They're fun.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: And I don't know.

Speaker: I know the game has changed.

Speaker: And it changed kind of rapidly, right?

Speaker: It went from like, okay, you buy an LE and you're going to lose.

Speaker: Maybe you lose a couple bucks or like once in a while you make money on it, right?

Speaker: And now it's like, oh my God.

Speaker: I don't even want to look at Pinside to know what

Speaker: what a Foo Fighters LE is worth.

Speaker: I mean, they're not bad.

Speaker: It's probably still worth 10, five, right?

Speaker: Or something, but it's, it's yeah.

Speaker: You know, it's, it's whatever I enjoy it.

Speaker: I'm happy to have it.

Speaker: So, so it was Foo Fighters like a band that you really admired growing up.

Speaker: What was it about Foo Fighters that just, you know, I think it was, I think so.

Speaker: I was always like, like you, Josh, I was, I was a, I'm a punk guy, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And there weren't, there's never really been any punk rock machines.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And not to say the Foo Fighters are punk rock.

Speaker: They have punk rock roots.

Speaker: But the game, when I played it, I was like, oh, this is so sick that they're touring in this beat-up red van.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: The code and the graphics, even early on, was really good.

Speaker: And right away, I was like, oh, this is such a cool game.

Speaker: And the touring aspect of it, you pick a city and then the Overlord, all that.

Speaker: I just right away was like, this is such a cool game.

Speaker: And I, you know, and I was like, ah, you know, it's my first pin.

Speaker: Maybe, maybe I should get Godzilla, you know, but like you play that anywhere.

Speaker: And at the time I was like, you know what?

Speaker: I'm just going to pull the trigger on it.

Speaker: I can get an LE, which at the, and that was still like in a time when it's like, oh, are these all going to sell out?

Speaker: Like, can I even get one?

Speaker: Now it's like you get a John Wick LE or a Phantom LE like so easily, right?

Speaker: Okay, but you can't get a Godzilla LE.

Speaker: You cannot get a Godzilla.

Speaker: I couldn't get a Godzilla LE at the time probably anyway.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: So it is depending on the game really.

Speaker: But however, I did Google for you on Pinside and you're still looking around 11.5.

Speaker: Oh, that's good.

Speaker: Yeah, so you're good.

Speaker: Yeah, it's still good.

Speaker: Well, it's a good game.

Speaker: It really is.

Speaker: And speaking of punk rock roots, this is what makes me chuckle about Foo Fighters.

Speaker: They're very mainstream rock, but they come from... Dave Grohl has the Black Flag guitar, right?

Speaker: He toured with that during All My Life tour.

Speaker: And you've got Pat Smear from The Germs.

Speaker: So I'm like, I agree with you.

Speaker: It comes from very punk rock roots.

Speaker: I think that's what drew me, too, because I have a Foo Fighters behind me, and it's just...

Speaker: It's an awesome game.

Speaker: It really is.

Speaker: And yeah, I hope it's not the first.

Speaker: No, and I've had it.

Speaker: I mean, I've had it for a long time and it's still like I still play it all the time.

Speaker: Like I still love it.

Speaker: And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker: I feel like it's falling out of favor.

Speaker: Like it seems like a lot of the spots here have gotten rid of it.

Speaker: I think it doesn't do that well on location maybe.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So some places have taken it out or gotten or moved on with it.

Speaker: So it kind of bums me out.

Speaker: It's like, oh man, I want to play this in a tournament because I know how to play it really well.

Speaker: And then every tournament it's like, nah, it's not in the tournament.

Speaker: So, but you know, no, I still think it's awesome.

Speaker: And yeah, I can't wait for Jack Danger's next game.

Speaker: I mean, I know there's a lot of rumors about that, but...

Speaker: um, Pokemon.

Speaker: Gomez said he's up next in the pipeline.

Speaker: So is that what you about to say, Scott?

Speaker: Pokemon?

Speaker: No, no, no.

Speaker: I, I was just going to say dangerous next in the pipeline.

Speaker: I thought the, the going rumor was, it was Pokemon.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: I heard Pokemon.

Speaker: I heard X-Men.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: X-Men 96.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I heard Dungeons and Dragons at one point.

Speaker: It feels like that rumor's gone cold, but I don't know.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That would be, I think, a Hail Mary.

Speaker: Like you kind of missed the window on that one.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Chris Pine.

Speaker: If you got Chris Pine behind it, you know.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay, so here's another question.

Speaker: Now, the reason why my view, the reason why a lot of music pins don't stay on location in a crazy amount of time is because they thrive more in a home environment because on location, it's usually typically hard to hear them.

Speaker: Sure, that makes sense.

Speaker: That's a big component to the game.

Speaker: So it seems like after the big wave,

Speaker: However, with each pin, there's like three phases.

Speaker: The first phase is the theme and the art, and that's what sells a whole bunch of games.

Speaker: Then the middle face is people, whether they like playing it and continuing on.

Speaker: But then there's like a rebound effect of people who are just barely getting into pinball machine.

Speaker: They say, oh, there's a Led Zeppelin pinball machine.

Speaker: I got to have that.

Speaker: And so the theme and the art kind of comes back into it.

Speaker: But you're right with music pins.

Speaker: They don't stay on in circulation nearly as long just because of that factor.

Speaker: Yeah, I think it's too bad with Foo Fighters because I do think it's a great game.

Speaker: But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker: You're right.

Speaker: Even Iron Maiden, I don't see it as much really as I used to.

Speaker: And where do they go?

Speaker: Where do they go?

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I think the only ones I really do see is maybe a Metallica out on location.

Speaker: I see those occasionally.

Speaker: And maybe an ACDC.

Speaker: But other than that, I've never seen an Aerosmith out in the wild.

Speaker: um it doesn't get talked about i've heard i've heard rumblings that they're gonna remake that too okay um you're now on the tour and this is this is when we went to make we can talk about this because this was not in the the lockdown area like i walked by a big stack of decals that were from an aerosmith side cabinet

Speaker: And so my question, and Kate, that's not an accident.

Speaker: That was just not set out there just, oh, well, we just haven't put these away yet.

Speaker: And so part of me wonders, like, are they are they punking us or are they actually teasing that they're going to consider rerunning that?

Speaker: OK, yeah.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: OK, so you're saying when you guys did like with all the influencers and when you all went to Stern.

Speaker: OK, yeah, I heard all about that.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: OK, so so there was.

Speaker: Yeah, there's just no way.

Speaker: When did that game actually come out?

Speaker: 2017?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So for that all to be there, they've got to be rerunning it.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: They could be punking us.

Speaker: They could be.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I wasn't there, and I don't know how...

Speaker: how organized it is.

Speaker: Like if it's the kind of thing where stuff is just thrown around because you know what I mean?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But it's, I mean, it's probably a big place.

Speaker: It's possible that it just happened to be there.

Speaker: It was actually, it was on the floor next to where they do the cabinets, where they assemble the cabinets.

Speaker: Yeah, but it was in this prep area thing.

Speaker: Yeah, so the way it works is they've got pretty much their assembly lines, but at the end of their assembly lines, they've got this big steel cage area where they keep all their old stuff.

Speaker: So in my thought process is if you're going to hold on to Aerosmith stuff, it's going to be in the cage where they keep all their old toppers or their old...

Speaker: whatever their back catalog is that they might throw something together.

Speaker: It's just really weird that it was open, sitting on the floor next to where they assembled the cabinets.

Speaker: Again, part of me wonders if it's a joke.

Speaker: Part of me wonders if it's a joke because it's like, dude, we're going to put this out there and guess what?

Speaker: We're going to get a lot of buzz from this.

Speaker: Oh, go ahead.

Speaker: No, it is a Spike 2 game though, right?

Speaker: It's one of the first ones.

Speaker: It was the first screen.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Batman 66 was the first one.

Speaker: Are you sure?

Speaker: Are you sure?

Speaker: Someone will fact check it.

Speaker: Oh my goodness.

Speaker: Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker: I, um, yeah, because, because of that, then that makes a lot, that puts a lot more into it.

Speaker: Like with all the Metallica rumors, you know, it's like, okay, they have, they're not going to redo a DMD.

Speaker: Like they're not going to do it as is.

Speaker: I don't think.

Speaker: I don't think so because it looks dated.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: And yeah,

Speaker: It's like before, you know, it's kind of like an alphanumeric going to DMD.

Speaker: Like that is like a line of demarcation.

Speaker: Like you're going to.

Speaker: And by the way, Josh is looking up to see whether or not Aerosmith was the first one.

Speaker: Batman 66 was first.

Speaker: Aerosmith was second.

Speaker: Batman 66 in 2016.

Speaker: Aerosmith in 2017.

Speaker: Okay, fine.

Speaker: followed by Star Wars.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: 66 is a great game too.

Speaker: You know, it's a funny thing.

Speaker: That's hard to find anywhere either.

Speaker: It is like, uh, it's, um, I played it recently.

Speaker: I was in down in Florida for a DJ DJ thing and I played it, played, uh, played it down there.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it's, it's great.

Speaker: It's fun.

Speaker: And there's, it's loaded too.

Speaker: There's lots in that.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: Definitely.

Speaker: It always seems like Gomez games, uh, aside from Lord of the Rings tend to start off slow and then pick up steam as time.

Speaker: Like, you know, it's when Batman 66 came out, the code was laughably terrible.

Speaker: And I understand why, because Adam West was really dying at the point.

Speaker: Oh boy.

Speaker: So they wanted to get it out there.

Speaker: But the code was, if you think releasing a code like 0.6 is bad, I mean, it was about as bare bones as you could possibly get.

Speaker: And it took a long time for the Lyman code to catch up to make it the game it is now.

Speaker: Well, yeah.

Speaker: I mean, that's the word on the street with James Bond too, right?

Speaker: And that's a game.

Speaker: Well, because it came out around the time of Foo Fighters, right?

Speaker: Like a little before maybe?

Speaker: It was right before Foo Fighters?

Speaker: I think.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: It was in October and then Foo Fighters was in January.

Speaker: And I remember...

Speaker: Yeah, I remember playing it and just the first, my first initial impressions was like, this game is not that fun.

Speaker: The code was bad.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then I don't know.

Speaker: I kind of love it now.

Speaker: I kind of like when I see it in a lineup, I kind of like want to play it first.

Speaker: I don't usually play it first, but I kind of want to because it's, it's kind of a cool game.

Speaker: It does show that I always roll my eyes a little bit when people say, well, you can't, uh, code doesn't fix layout.

Speaker: Well, it doesn't fix layout.

Speaker: However, how you play the layout, it definitely affects.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so you can even Walking Dead, Walking Dead was panned when it first came out.

Speaker: Then when the code got up to steam, people said this game is great.

Speaker: And that's why code really does affect how you approach and how you play a game.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, no question.

Speaker: So, so do you have any other games besides Foo Fighters?

Speaker: I have, yeah, I have Foo Fighters.

Speaker: I have, uh, speaking of George Gomez, I have a Lord of the Rings.

Speaker: Nice.

Speaker: And I have a total nuclear annihilation.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Uh, yeah, that's a lot of fun.

Speaker: And there's, I mean, in Vegas, there aren't any, so it's the only place I can play it is my own house.

Speaker: And I have a Texas Chainsaw Massacre on the way.

Speaker: Just got my confirmation that it's going to get shipped soon.

Speaker: Nice.

Speaker: From Spooky.

Speaker: So, yeah, that'll be my lineup for a little while.

Speaker: I'm kicking the tires on a black and white Godzilla.

Speaker: Because I don't own one.

Speaker: I've never owned one.

Speaker: And, yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker: I saw it, actually.

Speaker: I was down at Southern Fried Gaming Expo.

Speaker: And I saw the black and white in the flesh.

Speaker: And that thing, it looks so good.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: The cabinet is awesome.

Speaker: And yeah, and playing it like it, the lights were cool.

Speaker: It didn't feel like...

Speaker: one-dimensional, you know, like people kind of want to complain, like, oh, it looks boring.

Speaker: I didn't find that at all playing it.

Speaker: I don't know anyone who says Centaur's boring, and it's that look, right?

Speaker: It's an affect, right?

Speaker: You're still going to play a game, and it does stand out.

Speaker: It certainly...

Speaker: the original Godzilla was black and white.

Speaker: And so it seems the character integrity of a Godzilla in black and white seems spot on.

Speaker: I did show it to my wife and she said, I like the color better, but my buddy is buying the black and white and he lived in Japan for a couple of years.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think I was like, I was, I was like, this is sick when I saw it.

Speaker: But when I saw it in person, it, it put it right over the top.

Speaker: I was like, Oh, there's, this is a no doubter now.

Speaker: So I think a lot of people that haven't, cause not really anyone's seen it.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Um, in person when you do, it's like, it will, it will convince you.

Speaker: I think.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: I felt the same way about, uh, blood red kiss from Elvira.

Speaker: I was like, well,

Speaker: Did we really need a fourth edition of this?

Speaker: And then we saw it at Expo and I was like, holy crap.

Speaker: Yeah, I've never seen it.

Speaker: It's so good.

Speaker: But I believe I've heard nothing but great things.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: I love Elvira, too.

Speaker: What a great game.

Speaker: So it sounds like you've been going because you went to Texas Pinball Festival as well, right?

Speaker: Yeah, I went to TPF.

Speaker: And then it's funny because I wasn't going to go to Southern Fright and I just happened to be in Atlanta that weekend.

Speaker: Nice.

Speaker: And I was able to go on Friday night for like two and a half hours.

Speaker: I was there.

Speaker: So enough time to play Black and White Godzilla, look around, you know, you know,

Speaker: you know, it was cool.

Speaker: Like it's, it's just, I love the pinball festival vibe because everyone's just like, it's like we're with our people, you know, everyone's just like smiles on their face.

Speaker: It's just a good vibe, you know?

Speaker: Sadly, you probably won't be at pinball expo this year unless you're skipping out on when we were young, right?

Speaker: I know it's the same.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's the same weekend as the big giant emo festival in Las Vegas.

Speaker: So that is too bad.

Speaker: I know that was, I had that circle on my calendar, but it's okay.

Speaker: It's okay.

Speaker: There'll be more.

Speaker: our friend George Fisher, actually, he, he, he does.

Speaker: Don't panic flip.

Speaker: It's a stream, but he's actually, he's going to go to expo and then he's, he's trucking it.

Speaker: He's not even going to fly.

Speaker: He's driving all the way down to one.

Speaker: Does he drive in that Winnebago?

Speaker: Oh yeah, dude.

Speaker: It's gosh.

Speaker: He's nightmare city.

Speaker: He's what, how's that going to work?

Speaker: I he's going to go for.

Speaker: So his family's from Chicago.

Speaker: So he's going to go like Sunday and then be there because expo starts on like Tuesday this year.

Speaker: They're doing factory tours on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, maybe even Friday because they're hitting all the factories that are in Chicago.

Speaker: and then he's gonna he's gonna drive down i think for saturday or sunday somewhere around there so because i was like you can't do chicago to vegas in one day that's that was my thought so okay he's got he's got like a sweet little uh like a dodge pro master that's been converted into like a camper kind of thing well it's a winnebago so it's like a motorhome you know so it has the sleeper stuff in it and that's actually what okay that's what the winnebago it's like buying a

Speaker: you know, a Shelby Cobra, you know, you buy the Cobra, you take it to Shelby, they modify it, you know, so that's similar to that.

Speaker: But it certainly makes for it makes for flexibility if you just want to drive and sleep in your car.

Speaker: So when we were talking like a month or two ago, you said that you were in Poland and you were stoked because you were hitting up.

Speaker: I can't remember where the place was, but it had like 40 90s games or something like that.

Speaker: It was cool.

Speaker: Yeah, it's called.

Speaker: I was in Krakow or Krakow.

Speaker: I'm not sure how you say the name.

Speaker: Poland.

Speaker: Yeah, it was kind of random.

Speaker: It's not a place that I...

Speaker: We never play Poland.

Speaker: We play Germany all the time.

Speaker: But Poland's kind of a rare spot.

Speaker: And Krakow is, I think, our first time ever there.

Speaker: So, yeah, you know, every time I'm anywhere on tour, I just pull up the pinball map and I see what's around.

Speaker: You know, it's a lot of fun because, you know, being in the band, there's a lot of downtime.

Speaker: You know, between when I get up basically in the show, I don't really have that much to do most days, to be honest.

Speaker: So it's perfect, you know, especially being a singer and a lot of times kind of wanting to rest my voice.

Speaker: Going and playing pinball, it's like a very, you know, you don't have to talk to anybody.

Speaker: You're just kind of there.

Speaker: And, you know, it's like kind of a good way to rest your voice, except when you're swearing, because when you drain or whatever, you know, that's the only time I used my voice.

Speaker: So, so yeah, so that place was cool.

Speaker: It was this like,

Speaker: You kind of go down in this basement.

Speaker: It's very, very celery, very, not the vegetable, celery-like.

Speaker: Yeah, and it was cool.

Speaker: And they had, yeah, they didn't really have any modern games, which I found refreshing because, you know, I don't know how much more Deadpool I need to play.

Speaker: No offense, Deadpool's great.

Speaker: I don't, you know what I mean?

Speaker: It's like when you get to a place and they've got six machines and it's six modern Sterns.

Speaker: Yeah, I get it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, like that's fine.

Speaker: You know, like I'll definitely spend some time there.

Speaker: But, you know, when it's like six Bally Williams 90s games, I think I'm more stoked at this point.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, because some of them you don't see that much.

Speaker: And especially if they play really well.

Speaker: you know, then it's like, oh man, like it's amazing.

Speaker: So that place was great.

Speaker: It was a lot of fun.

Speaker: I'm trying to remember some of the games that I played that I hadn't played before, but there was a bunch and yeah, it was, it was awesome.

Speaker: And just, it's just something I love to do on tour whenever I get the chance is just find a little pinball bar and grab, you know, a couple, a couple hours to myself.

Speaker: It's, it's very, I find it very relaxing.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: So do you pull any of your bandmates with you?

Speaker: Or the staff or anything like that?

Speaker: Or is this a solo sport?

Speaker: It's mostly a solo mission.

Speaker: I get a couple guys to go with me sometimes, but they just don't have the...

Speaker: they don't have the bug you know and they they yeah and they're always like oh you're like way better than me at least like oh yeah i play all the time of course i'm better but it's um no i think they come once in a while or if there's a place we'll go have a beer and usually it's like them at the bar having a couple beers and you just like you know in the corner playing pinball the whole time um but yeah no it's uh it's something that i i really enjoy now it's it's great

Speaker: Go ahead, Josh.

Speaker: Oh, I was going to say, go for it, Scott.

Speaker: Oh, there you go.

Speaker: Okay, so we all have our dream themes.

Speaker: But because you are in a band and you have a bigger connection to the music industry, what are five bands where you, maybe not the ones that should be made, I think Journey should be made, I would say Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, even Motley Crue.

Speaker: But what are the bands that you're like, you know what?

Speaker: I would really like these made.

Speaker: This is a great question.

Speaker: And something I've thought about, obviously, a lot being that I'm in a band.

Speaker: You know, I think like, first of all, it's so much depends on how involved the band is with the machine.

Speaker: Like I see you got a rush behind you and like the band doing call outs and that I think really makes the game.

Speaker: and how you can kind of incorporate it into a theme.

Speaker: And Foo Fighters does probably the best job of any band pin ever of doing that because you've got the characters.

Speaker: They're all together.

Speaker: They're kind of on this.

Speaker: It's kind of like a band, but then they're on a trying to save the world kind of thing, right?

Speaker: It's like a whole alien theme.

Speaker: That's so good to have that extra layer.

Speaker: Whereas Led Zeppelin...

Speaker: It's there's nothing it's nothing to it.

Speaker: It's like there's no I don't even think the likeness of the band members is in the game.

Speaker: It's on the play phone.

Speaker: But there's no call outs.

Speaker: There's no like there's no like, oh, you know, like Jimmy Page is doing a solo and like you got to keep the ball alive.

Speaker: And if you if the solo is before you have the ball, then like you get, you know, whatever, like it's just basic stuff that should be in a Led Zeppelin game.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: It's like a hot topic.

Speaker: You bought a lunchbox that said Led Zeppelin on it, and that's pretty much how much soul of Led Zeppelin is in that game.

Speaker: Yeah, it's rough.

Speaker: It's rough, you know?

Speaker: Yeah, even Iron Maiden, like, it's a great game.

Speaker: It's a great shooter, of course, but, you know, there's not that much...

Speaker: assets in it really right there could be way more way more stuff in it you know so I think that's the big thing and I think of you know this a lot of people will roll their eyes when I say this but I think if you could get something like

Speaker: Blink 182.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: But have them in the game.

Speaker: Have them doing all the stupid call outs, all the silly stuff that they do, like all the dick and fart jokes.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: That would be fun.

Speaker: A toilet filled with bean dip.

Speaker: It would be fun.

Speaker: That would be a fun, fun game.

Speaker: And they haven't done a punk rock game yet.

Speaker: No one's done it.

Speaker: And, you know, Travis Barker, like that guy is so famous now.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, I just I think that that could work really well.

Speaker: I think Green Day would be great too.

Speaker: Same thing.

Speaker: You got to get the band in it.

Speaker: You have to do it right.

Speaker: On Green Day, here's the question though.

Speaker: Would you do the entire catalog or would you stick to American Idiot?

Speaker: No, no, no.

Speaker: You got to do the whole catalog.

Speaker: You do the whole catalog.

Speaker: I think Dookie's bigger than... Okay, I would say though that... Here's my theory on bands.

Speaker: It seems like they ascend, ascend, ascend until they hit what I would consider their zenith, their best thing.

Speaker: And then it feels like so many bands just disappear right after that because they've put everything into that album.

Speaker: And for me, that was American Idiot.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, you know, everyone has their own opinion.

Speaker: I, I, I do.

Speaker: I mean, for me, Dookie is the record.

Speaker: You know, American Idiot is fine.

Speaker: It's probably like my fifth favorite Green Day record.

Speaker: Oh, wow.

Speaker: Oh, man.

Speaker: That hurts me.

Speaker: That hurts.

Speaker: Yeah, maybe number four.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: We're not going to rank records right now.

Speaker: But I don't know.

Speaker: I think like it's with a band.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think you got to celebrate their entire existence, I think.

Speaker: I think that's part of what makes it fun.

Speaker: Unless you're going to do like multiple ones.

Speaker: Like I thought, you know, there was talk of this being maybe Metallica, you know, doing a new Metallica machine.

Speaker: Which would make sense.

Speaker: I mean, like Guns N' Roses did one back in the day.

Speaker: Yeah, like you could do another, like it would sell like crazy with a new layout, you know, regardless of who designed it or whatever.

Speaker: But you could do like, okay, this is going to be dedicated to, they were talking about Ride the Lightning turning 40, you know, from 1984.

Speaker: Like you could do, okay, do an entire Ride the Lightning theme machine for an anniversary.

Speaker: Cool.

Speaker: But that's maybe you can do that because Metallica's already had a machine.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: It's like if you do a first game and it's just one record and it's the same album songs over and over again, I don't, I just don't think you're that cool.

Speaker: You're right.

Speaker: I'm just wondering like from the theme standpoint, but you're right.

Speaker: It's like rush.

Speaker: If you just did moving pictures, it wouldn't work just because there are so many other popular songs that, and when I say, I say that tongue in cheek because I know a lot of people don't know any rush songs other than Tom Sawyer.

Speaker: I'm from Canada.

Speaker: I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, he grew up in Canada.

Speaker: No, okay.

Speaker: I'm talking to most people.

Speaker: And let's be honest.

Speaker: We know that Getty and Alex forced you out of Toronto because they don't want competition.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I will admit, with all due respect to Rush and Getty and Alex and, you know,

Speaker: They're late drummer as well.

Speaker: I'm not a fan of the band.

Speaker: That's because you have to be 10 years older.

Speaker: No, legitimately.

Speaker: Like that's my, and I only caught the tail end because my brother, who's five years older than me,

Speaker: So that's all I would listen to was Rush.

Speaker: Could make sense.

Speaker: No one else in my age group was listening to Rush.

Speaker: My sister is seven years older than me, and she's from Canada, and she loves Rush.

Speaker: So that does kind of check out.

Speaker: But I don't know.

Speaker: It's one of those...

Speaker: um and god i hate saying this on the record but i but i guess i will it's like his voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and like when that band comes on the radio i turn it i change it instantly and when i'm playing the rush game which and i think i think the pin's okay i think it's maybe a little overrated no offense i know you have one behind you but um i'm happy to be in a loud bar where i can't hear the music on that one that's for sure

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: The flip side though, some people like I have a, so Jeff from the pinball podcast, when he was talking about Iron Maiden, he said, I don't know.

Speaker: I can't stand the music.

Speaker: It's like, it's like Rush got drunk and learned how to write metal.

Speaker: And I was like, well, I guess the checks out because I like both of those bands, but anyway.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: You know, I, I get it.

Speaker: It's, it is Geddy Lee is not for everybody.

Speaker: I'll put it that way.

Speaker: So there actually, I was going to say there is actually, sorry, not to cut you off, but there is one punk rock machine out there.

Speaker: It's literally called just punk.

Speaker: And it was by Gottlieb in 82.

Speaker: Oh, really?

Speaker: That does not count.

Speaker: I would love to see.

Speaker: That's probably hilarious.

Speaker: That is terrible.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: There's a heavy metal, like just generic heavy metal, you know, heavy metal meltdown.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But no, you have to look it up.

Speaker: It's definitely... Gottlieb did this whole thing where they would do one-word pinball machines, like punk and stuff like that.

Speaker: Yeah, but they were all rip-offs because it's like they didn't do Top Gun.

Speaker: They did Gold Wings.

Speaker: Or they didn't do Miami Vice.

Speaker: They did Hollywood Heat.

Speaker: All these other ones that were just like, these are not... This is discount bin $5 DVD stuff.

Speaker: So you said blink, you said green day.

Speaker: I'm kind of surprised you haven't said no effects yet.

Speaker: Or do you think that'd be too underground?

Speaker: I think it's too underground.

Speaker: I think, I think if, you know, I think with, with a lot of games having smaller runs, I,

Speaker: You probably could do it.

Speaker: There's probably 500 to 1,000 people that would buy a no-effects machine because I would buy one.

Speaker: Maybe that's all you need now, right?

Speaker: Because you look at Spooky with TCM and Looney Tunes, they can't sell out

Speaker: 888 of each right they're not i don't even think they're close right and and those games are cool you know and i like for for me texas chainsaw massacre was like a dream theme and i bought it immediately because it's my favorite horror movie and i was like this is amazing and you play as the killer and i'm like this is so sick like nobody's doing that and so i bought that game immediately right and i think that with certain bands they have a big enough fan base to

Speaker: that it would work, but they have to be the right bands that really mean a lot to people.

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think NoFX could pull it off just because there's such a love for that band.

Speaker: Their fans would die for them.

Speaker: You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: Take a bullet.

Speaker: And so I think if you did a pinball machine, I think it would do very well even as just a collector piece.

Speaker: Yeah, I would love to see it.

Speaker: I mean, yeah.

Speaker: Or Bad Religion or Rancid or any punk bands from that era, I would be all about it.

Speaker: But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker: I don't know if that would fly.

Speaker: But I will say this too, and I've he ard a lot of people talk about this.

Speaker: I got to figure it's way easier with licensing crap to deal with a band and a band's manager than it is to deal with an entire movie studio.

Speaker: Oh, a hundred percent.

Speaker: Like that's, that's gotta be way easier and probably way cheaper too.

Speaker: If the band wants to do it, like, Oh, we got, we don't need like millions of dollars to, to, you know, for this, just, just cool.

Speaker: We can, we, can we each get one?

Speaker: Okay, cool.

Speaker: Then like, sure.

Speaker: Like, you know, cause it's kind of an honor to have a band pin.

Speaker: I think.

Speaker: I feel like it's a love letter to the band.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Cause like you ever looked at the artwork for Primus.

Speaker: I mean, Jeremy Packard's on Yeti did the artwork and he was a huge Primus fan growing up.

Speaker: And that artwork is just a love letter to the band.

Speaker: You got Les Claypool doing call outs.

Speaker: It's just, it's a really cool way to take your catalog and put all the spotlights on everything you love about it.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: No, 100%.

Speaker: And I'll tell you right now, I don't think my band is big enough to have its own

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: But that's, that's a great segue though.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: That question is coming.

Speaker: We are in fantasy though.

Speaker: And by the way, my favorite Les Claypool story is that I heard he auditioned for Metallica and they basically said, you're way too good.

Speaker: I've heard that too.

Speaker: That's a true story.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So this is Fantasyland.

Speaker: So you have made it to the big league.

Speaker: You can pick any designer.

Speaker: You can pick any studio.

Speaker: You can pick whatever you want for your band, Silverstein.

Speaker: Like what are you going to, who are you going to pick and who would you want to make it?

Speaker: And who do you want to do art?

Speaker: Like who do you want to do rules?

Speaker: I want, this is your dream thing.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: You know, and I, you won't believe me.

Speaker: I've never thought about this.

Speaker: I've thought about, yeah, this is never going to happen.

Speaker: It's a pipe dream.

Speaker: I've never like actually started being like, okay, who would do it?

Speaker: Give it 20 years.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Who knows?

Speaker: Man, I think Jack danger would be the guy because he gets it.

Speaker: He gets punk rock and where I came from.

Speaker: And this guy's always like posting stuff about ska music on his Instagram and everything.

Speaker: Like I know he would get it.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: For artwork, I don't know.

Speaker: geez, I'm really going down the Stern train now.

Speaker: I'm thinking, well, it's got to be Zombie Yeti, you know?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: And it's got to be Stern that makes the game now, right?

Speaker: But I don't know, man.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: There's so many great people.

Speaker: It could be, right?

Speaker: Steve Ritchie's over there now, maybe, you know?

Speaker: I mean, it would be cool to have a Jersey Jack machine with just all the bells and whistles.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Nobody's paying $15,000 for that collector's edition, that's for sure.

Speaker: But...

Speaker: I do like what they're doing over there.

Speaker: And I think those games are getting... Elton John is awesome.

Speaker: No, it's great.

Speaker: It's great.

Speaker: It shoots great.

Speaker: It feels so good to play.

Speaker: It's probably going to be game of the year, right?

Speaker: I mean, that's...

Speaker: That game's sick.

Speaker: So yeah, man, I don't know.

Speaker: That's a tough, that's a very tough, it's a very tough and hypothetical question you're asking.

Speaker: Okay, but coding, you actually have a lot more openness on coding because if you, you know, you could go,

Speaker: you know, with Keith Johnson at Jersey Jack, if you want like the, the deep volunar code, if you want the, the wizard of Oz, you could go with, you know, you could even go with Keith Elwin as the coder because he's the architect.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Let's get, let's get Keith involved too.

Speaker: Then I like that.

Speaker: I like that.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: So Jack's design working together.

Speaker: But it's a Jersey Jack machine.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Great.

Speaker: We're going way out, right?

Speaker: We're going way out.

Speaker: And apparently we have spooky doing the licensing.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Is that how it's working?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's right.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Cause yeah, that's right.

Speaker: No bug bug is a nice guy.

Speaker: We want him to be involved somehow just cause he's yeah.

Speaker: Well, they include toppers so that I'm right there.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Actually.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: But here's, here's the dream though.

Speaker: You should get CGC to do the topper.

Speaker: Oh, so it'll take, so it'll take how long?

Speaker: Well, okay.

Speaker: Three, four years.

Speaker: We will all be in walkers and wheelchairs, but either way, it will look great.

Speaker: So, so, but you were talking about like with Foo Fighters, you love it because it's about the band, but it's also this like alternate story.

Speaker: What would the alternate story be for Silverstein?

Speaker: That's the question.

Speaker: Oh, man.

Speaker: Would it be like Fight Club and you're taking down corporate credit and all that stuff?

Speaker: You know, Fight Club, we did use a Fight Club sample in one of our movies.

Speaker: So that would be like kind of a cool little twist.

Speaker: Damn, dude.

Speaker: That's funny.

Speaker: The Alien band theme was really good.

Speaker: That's like hard to top.

Speaker: You know, especially since they're touring on top of it.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: That's all really good stuff.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Because like with Fight Club, they had all those network cities and stuff.

Speaker: So you could still do that, like touring and whatnot, but you're networking the cities so you can drop them all at the same time or whatever.

Speaker: Maybe a sports theme.

Speaker: Maybe like World Cup soccer meets...

Speaker: meets band what do you think yeah that'd be cool sports games anymore yeah i i would feel like i think silverstein would do that good but i think the band that would that is poised for it would be like a day to remember with their whole like kickball and stuff like that that they did for their music video they'd be a fun pin that'd be an awesome those are my friends they they got good they got good character they do fun stuff yeah they would be great i was wondering if it's all 500

Speaker: I was wondering if you guys were friends because you were on the same label.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: We've known a day to remember forever.

Speaker: I mean, we took them out on one of their first tours.

Speaker: It's really a funny story.

Speaker: So Jeremy, the singer for a day to remember the first show we played with them, they opened for us and it was in, I want to say like somewhere in like Wisconsin.

Speaker: And so we met them that day and Jeremy was sick and he slept in the van and their merch guy did vocals for them.

Speaker: So the first time I ever saw it was their merch guy trying to sing and

Speaker: And yeah, he wasn't very good.

Speaker: And I was like, what's going on?

Speaker: This is, this is not.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And yeah, so it's really, it's a really funny story, but Hey, that's awesome.

Speaker: They've come a long way now.

Speaker: They're like, they definitely have massive.

Speaker: They just played Red Rocks actually in Denver.

Speaker: So yeah.

Speaker: And then they play incredible.

Speaker: It's great to see.

Speaker: They just played here in Salt Lake City on Sunday with Story of the Year and Four Years Strong.

Speaker: I wish I could have went.

Speaker: That would have been an insanely good show.

Speaker: It's true though.

Speaker: The idea of niche pinball, if a company were to do... I don't know.

Speaker: There's a lot of companies out there, right?

Speaker: There's a lot of competition now with these boutique pinball companies.

Speaker: someone were to say like okay we are thinking about making this game and we need let's say 250 people to say to commit to buying it could you do that if it was some like a like like a band like a day to remember or something niche but like where the license would be really cheap you know because a band would just like do it for basically for free or just like yeah sure send us five machines and that's like that's payment enough yeah you know

Speaker: I wonder if that would work, which is, which is funny to me.

Speaker: Cause like, I feel like, I don't know if you listened to our interview with Ed Robertson of bare naked ladies.

Speaker: I didn't, I love, Oh my, no, we used to have the same manager as bare naked ladies too.

Speaker: I, I didn't know.

Speaker: I knew he was into pinball.

Speaker: I didn't know he was on your show.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So we had him on and he said that like, he did the call outs for, he helped Alex and Getty with the call outs.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I did.

Speaker: I did know that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But he was saying he doesn't feel like Barenaked Ladies is big enough to do a pinball machine.

Speaker: I was like, I don't know about that.

Speaker: I feel like they're pretty – they're big enough, I feel like.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: It's like a weird one.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: It's hard to know with bands that have had, like they've had huge success like on the radio and stuff.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: So I don't know how many of their fans are like going to pony up 10 grand or whatever to buy a machine of their likeness.

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: Maybe their fans are old enough and there's enough of them, but like there's a lot of people and this is with all due respect to Ed and the band that

Speaker: There's a lot of people that go to their show because they love some of the songs that they heard on the radio.

Speaker: But how immersed in them, how much of a lifestyle it is.

Speaker: It's not like Metallica or Iron Maiden or other bands that really have just a huge cult following.

Speaker: Not that Bear Nicolese doesn't, but I think it's different, and that's probably what he meant.

Speaker: Maybe if, if you look at the album sales of the bands that they, that have been produced rush is by far the lowest selling.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: It's not, are you sure?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Primus.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: That was a contract game.

Speaker: And so that was- I guess it wasn't a cornerstone.

Speaker: We'll put it that way.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, but if you look at it, offhand, I think that Rush is like 60 million or something like that.

Speaker: And then you get into like Aerosmith, which is like 300 million.

Speaker: You get into Metallica, you get into Rolling Stones, you get into Beatles, you get into ACDC.

Speaker: And all those, they are at least three, well, four to five times what Rush has done.

Speaker: Okay, you mean you're talking record sales?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker: I'm talking record sales.

Speaker: I thought you meant like number of pinball machines sold.

Speaker: No, no, no.

Speaker: I'm sorry.

Speaker: I'm talking record sales.

Speaker: Yeah, they've sold 500 million.

Speaker: When you said that, I was like, 60 what?

Speaker: No, no, no.

Speaker: There's like 60 million in sales?

Speaker: Where are you getting these figures from?

Speaker: Does Stern release this?

Speaker: So what I'm saying is that when you're talking about bands, when it talks about –

Speaker: you know, how much do you need?

Speaker: I mean, Rush was by far the lowest album sales of all the bands they've done.

Speaker: And if you look at the, and Primus is a, is a unique example, but if you look at Rush versus, you know, ACDC versus Metallica versus Guns N' Roses.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You can even argue Elton John, even though Elton John is, he said he certainly sold a lot, but they've,

Speaker: Oh, he sold a lot.

Speaker: Oh, he sold a lot.

Speaker: I'm not sure if the pin is selling as well as like the CDC just because of the price point.

Speaker: But so that is something to consider when you're looking at Vance is that is it enough to move the needle in such a small community of fans?

Speaker: And that's the thing is my take on it is I don't think the record sales matter.

Speaker: Really?

Speaker: I think, no, I think it's the cult following.

Speaker: I think it's the people that are willing to support a band like through and through that are like, okay, five figures.

Speaker: I'm putting it down.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And I think Metallica has those kinds of fans.

Speaker: I think guns and roses has those kinds of fans.

Speaker: I think Elton John,

Speaker: does not really have that many fans like that.

Speaker: Maybe some, but here's the best example.

Speaker: There's no way ABBA has that many fans, those kinds of fans.

Speaker: And they've sold probably more records than all these bands we talked about.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: So maybe that's the problem is that a lot of these, a lot of companies are going, Oh, well they've sold this many records.

Speaker: So they, that means we can sell this many pinball machines.

Speaker: And I don't think that it translates.

Speaker: Like I think Slayer,

Speaker: Probably hasn't sold that many records.

Speaker: I mean, probably, well, probably a lot, but like not anywhere near what a lot of other bands would.

Speaker: But I think that no problem you sell, you can sell, you know, a couple thousand Slayer machines.

Speaker: No question.

Speaker: So you're saying a Hannah Montana machine would not do well.

Speaker: I don't think so.

Speaker: I don't think our demographic of whatever 40 to 50 year old men are buying Hannah Montana machines at all.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Or Taylor Swift.

Speaker: I saw that one floated around too.

Speaker: Good luck getting that license.

Speaker: See, I think Taylor would actually, I think she would, but I think pink would be better.

Speaker: Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: There's so many artists and I just don't... So many better artists, I think.

Speaker: But I do wonder if you did a super niche thing where you said, okay, let's do almost like a Kickstarter.

Speaker: Okay, can we do this many?

Speaker: Okay, how many do we need to make this game?

Speaker: Cool, let's make it.

Speaker: And that could be enough.

Speaker: It could still be really, really cool.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: And I think, well, I think because you have a different mindset too, because in the 2000s, like downloads became a huge thing and album sales weren't actually an indicator of how well a band was or wasn't doing.

Speaker: because I don't know if you watch the documentary Bleeding Audio with the matches, but they talk about this.

Speaker: It's a really good – Like the Habitat band, the matches from San Francisco?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: Or from Oakland?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, whatever.

Speaker: So they did Bleeding Audio, which they released a couple years back.

Speaker: But that was the one thing is they said the album styles weren't there, but the problem was is they had so many people showing up to their shows.

Speaker: And so the record label didn't know what to do because they're like,

Speaker: we're obviously selling shows, but you're not selling albums.

Speaker: And then they had this whole thing, like they were selling albums out the back of the van because of, you know, they, they bought up so many of them.

Speaker: It was, it was, it was very interesting.

Speaker: It's one of those things that we're living in a modern age where, where album sales doesn't necessarily translate to popularity because of just the way music is.

Speaker: We stream it and stuff like that.

Speaker: You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: Yeah, it's changing all the time too.

Speaker: That's a really interesting time though with the matches.

Speaker: I remember that band playing with them back in 2004, I think.

Speaker: Early 2000s.

Speaker: And that was a weird time because there was just so much pirating going on too.

Speaker: So you would have so many people using Napster or LimeWire or whatever and not buying your record but still loving it and finding your show.

Speaker: I remember the first time we played in Mexico City.

Speaker: We didn't have a record out there.

Speaker: We had no distribution.

Speaker: There was no way you could buy a record of ours legally in Mexico did not exist.

Speaker: And we went there and the show was sold out in advance and it was absolutely bonkers.

Speaker: Everybody was singing the word.

Speaker: They were singing the songs before we even went on stage.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: And we were like, how is this possible?

Speaker: And it's all because of back then it was just all illegal downloading and we were happy for it.

Speaker: It was great.

Speaker: Hey, get the music out there.

Speaker: It's better if people come to buy a ticket and a t-shirt.

Speaker: That's way better than buying a CD and never come to the show.

Speaker: You get more return on your investment than the dollar you get from selling the CD.

Speaker: Exactly right.

Speaker: 100%.

Speaker: So that's like a, I don't know.

Speaker: It's a really interesting point how all these numbers and stuff like

Speaker: you know, and then now, nowadays it's like, Oh, how many followers do you have on social media and all that?

Speaker: And, you know, it doesn't always translate to, to actual real popularity, you know?

Speaker: I think the one that really stands out to me is like some 41, like, does this look infected came out and they were kind of like, well, it didn't do so great albums wise, but they were selling out bigger and bigger in venues.

Speaker: So like, you obviously knew that they were doing really well.

Speaker: Amazing record too.

Speaker: Oh, amazing.

Speaker: Amazing record.

Speaker: So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's, it's, you're right.

Speaker: It's, it's like a real common thing.

Speaker: And I think there's lots of bands that could do, could, that could do band pins that, you know, just because they have that cult following.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I would buy a Sum 41 pinball machine in a heartbeat.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: That's a pretty good example.

Speaker: That could be cool.

Speaker: And that's another one along the lines of Green Day or Blink where if the band is involved, because those guys are funny.

Speaker: Some of the funny music videos they've made and stuff, it could be awesome, especially because they're closing the chapter on their career too.

Speaker: What a way to close it out.

Speaker: Okay, cool.

Speaker: We're done.

Speaker: Here's this career-spanning machine.

Speaker: I don't know if those guys...

Speaker: you know, care about pinball or like get it or whatever.

Speaker: But, you know, there's definitely people that do in bands that, you know, would be all about it.

Speaker: It would have to include super soakers because I don't know if you know the story behind this, Scott, but some 41 originally did all their album out in Canada and none of the record labels would pick them up.

Speaker: And so what they did is they went and did like all this crazy stuff in their hometown and

Speaker: They went and robbed a pizza place, but with super soakers, and they just stole a pizza.

Speaker: And then they were just squirting people on the side of the road.

Speaker: And so they sent this video in along with their album to the American record labels, and they had people fighting over them to sign them.

Speaker: And so they ended up on Island Def Jam, which is a very interesting record label to be on because, you know, anywho.

Speaker: But yeah, it just...

Speaker: stuff like that right like there's that there's that super soakers and i don't know just be really cool to have especially where they've went from like pop punk all the way up to like metal now so yeah yeah no be a good one okay it'd be a good one yeah yeah i only know that uh motley crew basically signed with electra because there w as a bidding war after the first album that's uh that's the extent of my uh uh record signing uh

Speaker: Must be nice to have you in a bidding war.

Speaker: Must be nice.

Speaker: Well, you can do it if you, I think that they just self-released their first album.

Speaker: And at least back in the day, the funny thing is the first of the hair bands that actually reached number one was Quiet Riot.

Speaker: And all the bands on the Sunset Strip just kind of looked around and was like, these guys, these guys got number one?

Speaker: And then the doors opened and all of them got signed.

Speaker: But

Speaker: It was just funny because even they didn't have any respect for Quiet Riot, which was hilarious.

Speaker: That happens in every scene.

Speaker: I won't name names, but that happens in every single scene.

Speaker: And it's very rare that the best band is the biggest.

Speaker: That's music.

Speaker: So I'm going to pitch this idea to you, Shane.

Speaker: I think we should have a traditional Warped Tour pin.

Speaker: And that way, you could have all these bands, but not necessarily a dedicated pin.

Speaker: And you could have such a storyline with a Warped Tour pin, right?

Speaker: There was so much insane stuff going on with Warped Tour.

Speaker: I just think it's a great idea.

Speaker: That's a cool idea.

Speaker: I like that idea.

Speaker: Warped Tour Pin.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You get Kevin Lyman to sign off on it.

Speaker: You get some sponsors involved to get their likeness on the machine.

Speaker: Just like you do at the festival.

Speaker: And then, yeah, the bands, whatever.

Speaker: The bands will be happy to have their songs in there.

Speaker: You can get them all to sign off.

Speaker: That won't be that hard.

Speaker: And there's a lot to choose from.

Speaker: So there you go.

Speaker: Done.

Speaker: Because you know the stages were kind of genre-specific, too.

Speaker: So you could do genre.

Speaker: You could bounce from stage to stage.

Speaker: you know, progressing through songs and stuff like that.

Speaker: I just, I think it's a great concept.

Speaker: Someone, someone pick it up.

Speaker: We are, yeah, we are pitching all kinds of, we're putting everything out there.

Speaker: Seriously, we should open our own.

Speaker: This is great.

Speaker: We should open our own pinball company.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because they're, they're going out of business now.

Speaker: So we should be able to keep them going.

Speaker: I can't.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Definitely flies.

Speaker: Well, now you're bringing it up.

Speaker: Way to go, Scott.

Speaker: You've killed another, another company.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it's not, and it's not pinned ready.

Speaker: Oh, sorry.

Speaker: Pedretty.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So for the person who caught me on saying pinned ready, I still, no, dude, it was like several people.

Speaker: It wasn't just fine.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: For the people who, okay.

Speaker: Pinned ready is a better option.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: They should change their name right now to pinned ready because if they're a pinball company, they should be pinned ready.

Speaker: That's okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I'm going to, I'm just going to do it right now.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Just making the shirts right now.

Speaker: Pinned ready.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's the new loser kid swag with our hockey Jersey.

Speaker: If you haven't gotten our hockey Jersey, now's the time and the pin dreaded streets are coming.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: The hockey Jersey looks awesome.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: That black and white hockey Jersey.

Speaker: I can't, I need to, I need to get that because it looks really good.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Um, yeah.

Speaker: So, uh, and we were getting around to it, but Haggis, uh,

Speaker: It's done.

Speaker: Like they're done.

Speaker: They're no longer a company and they're officially in liquidation.

Speaker: Unfortunately, they're following the path of a lot of these small startup companies who I would say with the best of intentions wanted to make a good product, but were unable to deliver on their promises.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: So what are they liquidating?

Speaker: Do they, do they have anything to liquidate?

Speaker: Can you, can you get all the parts and build your own, uh, build your own?

Speaker: One of those play field rotisserie things.

Speaker: And, uh, I, I, okay.

Speaker: There's all in any business, there's always like physical assets, like manufacturing stuff and you know, that, that type of stuff when it comes to, uh, unproduced game parts, I don't even know what happens with those, but that, that, that may be interesting.

Speaker: Unfortunately, it's another one of those situations where the buzz grows faster than you can produce and it kind of collapses on itself.

Speaker: It's always a risk when you're starting a company outside of the area where all the pinball is made, which is Chicago.

Speaker: Very, very, very outside.

Speaker: Very, very far away.

Speaker: I think that's the biggest problem.

Speaker: It's like if you've ever been to Australia, it's like it's so far.

Speaker: And just getting anything there is prohibitively expensive.

Speaker: You know, shipping anything there.

Speaker: There's no way there's any parts made there.

Speaker: So it just, yeah, I think that was just...

Speaker: Well, it's a disaster we need to happen.

Speaker: Honestly, Damien really didn't know much about pinball when he first got into it too.

Speaker: And so there's also that where you have, you know, the labyrinth guys, the barrels of fun guys, those are people who have actually been in the industry.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so they're, so they have a leg up.

Speaker: I'm okay.

Speaker: Just imagine.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I know nothing about,

Speaker: putting a band together and organizing music and a tour and everything.

Speaker: So why don't I just go ahead and grab four rando dudes and we'll start a company, we'll start a band and then we'll just start touring because that sounds easy, right?

Speaker: I mean, being in a band and touring and doing all this stuff, it's easy.

Speaker: What could possibly go wrong, right?

Speaker: Yeah, man.

Speaker: It's a shame.

Speaker: And I don't know everything I've read about it.

Speaker: I don't know if we're ever going to even get the whole story.

Speaker: I think it's just radio silence, right?

Speaker: So it's been updated.

Speaker: They've went into external administration, which apparently involves appointing someone, the insolvency professional to take the property and

Speaker: and kind of liquidate stuff to make sure it can pay the debts to winding up the business and its interests.

Speaker: So they've really kind of... So this is where they go in, they evict the person from the house, they go through and they document all the assets that are left in the house, and they sell them for pennies on the dollar and just try to get anything of it.

Speaker: And you're done.

Speaker: There's no way you're even part of it.

Speaker: Well, what's funny to me is like we so we went through the Stern thing and they really, really boast about their Gottlieb machine.

Speaker: So on a play field to the point where all the screws and stuff go in, they slide it into this machine and then it comes down and it puts a little indents into every single play, every Stern play field.

Speaker: since the beginning of Stern, or I think even Data East or whatever.

Speaker: So this is a single machine, and it's a very specific machine.

Speaker: And apparently, I mean, if you've got it from Gottlieb, that was made back in the 50s or 40s.

Speaker: They don't make these machines just left and right.

Speaker: So how do you buy one of these machines?

Speaker: Is this just like a... You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: It just...

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: It just like, like you guys are saying, it's really hard to make pinball outside the U S so I can't even found them how they were doing it in Australia.

Speaker: It's hard to make pinball outside of Chicago.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Barrels of funds doing it.

Speaker: I think they're doing a good job.

Speaker: I know you can't, I'm not saying it's impossible, but what I am saying is that it's, you are putting yourself in a handicap position to start with when you don't use the assets that are available and well-known in the industry.

Speaker: So that's the challenge.

Speaker: And we feel bad for anybody who has lost their money on these games.

Speaker: And this is a situation where I feel bad for the company too, because this is a company that did have the best of intentions.

Speaker: This was not a con artist trying to rip off old people and just taking their retirement and then living large.

Speaker: That is a completely different situation.

Speaker: This also isn't J-Pop who's starting Zidware and taking pre-orders for all these crazy expensive machines.

Speaker: And then decides that, oh, I really don't have the ability to manufacture games because he was like, he was delusional from the start.

Speaker: I don't feel Haggis was that way.

Speaker: I feel Haggis just grew way too fast and the, the gravitational pull of the expansion collapsed.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: It just sucks.

Speaker: Like I was rooting for Haggis and it just sucks.

Speaker: It's yeah.

Speaker: Let me ask you guys this though.

Speaker: I mean with, you know, people that are buying new in box games, I,

Speaker: losing their deposit.

Speaker: I mean, how many times are you going to get burned?

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And I'm not, I'm not saying that other manufacturers are necessarily going to go under, right.

Speaker: There's no, there's nothing that says that, that seems to say that the smaller boutique companies, any of them are going to go away.

Speaker: American pinball was looking at that's, you know, that's maybe questionable.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: There are questionable things.

Speaker: So you got to think like now that it's happened,

Speaker: where people have just lost their deposits and they know they're not getting that money.

Speaker: Do you think that's going to hurt the industry?

Speaker: Especially now when you can pretty much just wait and get a game, sometimes even before, even if you pre-order it, you can even get it somehow.

Speaker: Someone has one or someone got one before you and you can buy a used one even before your number gets called.

Speaker: Do you think that's going to really hurt the industry, especially the smaller companies that rely on deposits?

Speaker: I think it will.

Speaker: I think people have kind of had enough.

Speaker: I think that unless if they're definitely like barrels of fun, I felt like it was a different situation, even though it did kind of rely on pre-order money, but they had already had a lot of those built and started shipping them out.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: But I think the pre-order model is kind of done because we have eight, I think, eight good pinball companies that are already established that you can buy a pinball machine from.

Speaker: And so I think it's going to be harder and harder to be an upstart where you're using, like you said, Kickstarter money.

Speaker: I just, I don't see it happening anymore like that.

Speaker: It will still happen.

Speaker: It will still happen because people are buying off theme and they're buying off FOMO and they are not thinking rationally when they do this.

Speaker: They think, oh, $1,000, I definitely want, that is my dream theme and I'm gonna get in on it and I'm gonna help them out.

Speaker: And I don't have a problem with any of that.

Speaker: What I do have a problem with is people

Speaker: taking a risk about, hey, I'm going to invest in this project that may or may not happen.

Speaker: And then they cry sour grapes when the company goes under.

Speaker: There is enough of a track record to prove that these are not guaranteed.

Speaker: And so if you are willing to give a company $1,000 to reserve a spot, you have to expect that there is a good chance that you're not going to get that money.

Speaker: And unfortunately, I'm just saying, I'm just saying that, that people are getting burned now though.

Speaker: Like they're legitimately, it's happening.

Speaker: So are those same people going to do it again?

Speaker: Yes, because skip.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I'll just, I'll just put them off.

Speaker: Skip B, skip B with the predator machine.

Speaker: That was a total con job where he didn't even have the license and people gave money to that.

Speaker: When J-Pop did Zidware, it was a, hey, we'll take the money, we'll do this stuff.

Speaker: And it never happened.

Speaker: They had to take them to court.

Speaker: Then when Deep Root came out, people was like, oh, well, this is something different.

Speaker: And then we get to Haggis and there are so many of these things that people are...

Speaker: people vote emotionally with their money and their purchasing power.

Speaker: This is why I always say there is no such thing as an unobtainable game.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: For every Jersey Jack Pirates of the Caribbean, there are that, okay, I missed out on that game and now it's worth $30,000.

Speaker: For every one of those, there are

Speaker: hundreds, tens or hundreds of games where it's like, okay, I didn't get it exactly when I wanted it.

Speaker: And I may have paid $500 over what I would have done for.

Speaker: But a lot of times you get it for cheaper than what you would have done.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: But I think the problem you're equating.

Speaker: So, okay.

Speaker: You've talked about Skip B, but they had Predator.

Speaker: So they obviously had a theme people wanted, right?

Speaker: And then you talk highway who had alien.

Speaker: That's true.

Speaker: They weren't, no one was clamoring for big Lebowski.

Speaker: They finally got their games out after 10 years.

Speaker: But my point being is, so like with Haggis, obviously those people wanted the classic Fathoms and Centaurs.

Speaker: They weren't clamoring for Celts.

Speaker: Look at, so I can think of three companies right now that are pretty much asking for pre-order money.

Speaker: It may not essentially pre-order money, but they're with those startups, right?

Speaker: And no one's clamoring for their games.

Speaker: At least I don't hear that, and I could be entirely wrong.

Speaker: But like TiltBob, they just really start work for their road trip game that's coming out.

Speaker: I don't know many people that are excited for this.

Speaker: I don't know many people are giving money for this.

Speaker: Pinball Ventures, Sorcerer, which I haven't heard anything about.

Speaker: And then their first game, the Punny Factory.

Speaker: And then the only other one that I can think of is Ninja Eclipse from Turner.

Speaker: And so that's the thing, though, is the previous companies had, well, all except for Skip B, because Skip B actually didn't have the licensing.

Speaker: They said they had it.

Speaker: And then someone found out, and they're like, you don't have anything for this.

Speaker: And he's like, oh, crap.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Oops, we just went bankrupt.

Speaker: But I think when it comes to licensing games, it's going to be very hard for startup companies to get that kind of sway unless you're like Barrels of Fun who has an in with people in the industry.

Speaker: So I just, I don't see, as far as your question of people getting burned, I don't see it happening because I feel like the tried and tested will get the licenses and those that are upstarts are going to have to prove themselves.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think people will still do it.

Speaker: It may not be in the same volume that has happened in the past, but people will still vote with their, like, you know, just emotionally purchase this thing.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So it just sucks.

Speaker: Overall, it sucks for Haggis.

Speaker: Are there any rumors of barrels and barrels of funds next game?

Speaker: I want to say it's another 80s movie, but I could be entirely wrong.

Speaker: I thought the rumor was... I don't know.

Speaker: I was going to say Princess Bride, but that... No, sorry.

Speaker: That was actually made with B3.

Speaker: Maybe they're competing.

Speaker: There's two Princess Brides coming out.

Speaker: It's not the Princess Bride.

Speaker: It's the Prince King.

Speaker: Or the King, whatever.

Speaker: The Groom King.

Speaker: Okay, I want to transition back to fun stuff though.

Speaker: Okay, Shane, you are assembling a home arcade with 10 machines.

Speaker: Oh, man.

Speaker: Which 10 are you picking?

Speaker: What are the 10 most expensive?

Speaker: Or the 10 that won't lose me money.

Speaker: Okay, you can't buy in Liquidate.

Speaker: This is not a Gene Wishing for More Wishes situation.

Speaker: Supreme, Big Bang Bar, Medieval Madness.

Speaker: Man, it's tough.

Speaker: I think I like... I don't know if I like a lot of the games that people love.

Speaker: For example, Attack from Mars...

Speaker: It's fun.

Speaker: I played a million times.

Speaker: I don't really know if I want to own one.

Speaker: It's kind of a one-trick pony.

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: It's a fun game.

Speaker: Okay, does price not matter?

Speaker: Price doesn't matter?

Speaker: This is without price.

Speaker: I want 10 games and you can say why you're picking each game.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Oh, this is so hard.

Speaker: Um, well, I'll, I'll, I'll start with Godzilla black and white.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: That's, that's the, the goat right there and it's beautiful.

Speaker: So I'll, I'll put that one, not in the, well, I'll put it in the corner where I can see the side of that cabinet.

Speaker: That's for sure.

Speaker: Um, Ooh, man.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: You guys really put me on the spot here.

Speaker: This is tough.

Speaker: I'm keeping my Foo Fighters LE.

Speaker: That's for sure.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Got to keep that.

Speaker: That's two.

Speaker: That's two.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: You've got to try Scott Denise's.

Speaker: Have you tried... You've never been in his room, right?

Speaker: His sensory room for TNA.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Wait.

Speaker: No, I don't know anything about this.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Next time you're in Chicago, hit me up and I will give you Scott Denise's number.

Speaker: And we...

Speaker: he's built this room that the game is in and the whole game, the whole room shakes and it's all lit and everything.

Speaker: And it's got fog machines.

Speaker: It's, it's a whole, it's a whole nother level of pinball.

Speaker: It's insane.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: That is, that is wild.

Speaker: No, I, um, yes.

Speaker: I'm, and I'm keeping my TNA too.

Speaker: I'm keeping my, my TNA, uh, collector's edition or whatever the, the, the new one I got.

Speaker: Definitely.

Speaker: I'm keeping those.

Speaker: Um, um,

Speaker: Is Lord of the Rings making my top 10?

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: It's a great game.

Speaker: I don't think it's making the top 10.

Speaker: I might have Elton John in there.

Speaker: I might have Elton John.

Speaker: Collectors Edition.

Speaker: It's beautiful.

Speaker: And I think it's

Speaker: probably one of the great one of the greatest and now I gotta think about some other games that's four right that's four that's four I gotta go with something like fun and campy maybe like a fishtails it's like I know it's like I know you can get one for like five or six grand now probably maybe even less I love that game that's a fun game it's fun I'm gonna I'm gonna have a fishtails in there one of my early picks what else weird from the 90s can we do

Speaker: Maybe a junkyard.

Speaker: I played that a lot as a kid.

Speaker: You want a doctor dude?

Speaker: Dr. Dude's all right.

Speaker: No, I'll take a junkyard.

Speaker: And then let's, let's go with some more, some more real dreamy ones.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I don't know if anybody else put junkyard in their 10 own like home games.

Speaker: No, but I like some weird ones too.

Speaker: Speaking of weird skateball, have you played a skateball?

Speaker: No.

Speaker: They are insanely trippy.

Speaker: It's from 1980.

Speaker: I'm not thinking the right one.

Speaker: I apologize.

Speaker: I am not.

Speaker: Scott, what was the one that we played in Chicago and is just like

Speaker: It's weird because you shoot into a ramp and it goes into another ramp.

Speaker: It just ramps everywhere.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: It wasn't skateboard.

Speaker: It was... Someone's listening right now and they're like, you idiots.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I know exactly where it is.

Speaker: It's at Logan Arcade.

Speaker: It's on the Pulp Fiction row.

Speaker: And it was five from the aisle.

Speaker: So I've pulled up Logan Arcade.

Speaker: Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker: Radical.

Speaker: It's Radical.

Speaker: I just barely found it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Have you ever played a Radical, Shane?

Speaker: I don't think I've played a Radical.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: It's, yeah, it's a little bit like, oh, what's the up and down one?

Speaker: The...

Speaker: But Bonsai run?

Speaker: Not Blackwater 2000.

Speaker: The one with the... Blackwater 2000 is a good example, though.

Speaker: Yeah, it feels a little bit like Blackwater 2000.

Speaker: Or 500.

Speaker: Blackwater 500.

Speaker: Blackwater 500 and the motorcycle one that goes up in the back glass.

Speaker: Yeah, that's... That's not Blackwater.

Speaker: That's... Pat Lawler did it.

Speaker: Yeah, it was his first one.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Anyway, okay.

Speaker: Okay, Shane, back to your... Okay.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: I had to pull up inside because I can't do this off the top of my head.

Speaker: But okay.

Speaker: I got to have... I think I got to have a Theater of Magic in there.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: That's a good one.

Speaker: That's a good one.

Speaker: And maybe Circus Voltaire I'd have, but if I already got Theater of Magic, do I want to...

Speaker: Magic circus games.

Speaker: I would take circus full terror just because it has an awesome creepy factor.

Speaker: It is sick.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It is super sick.

Speaker: Um, maybe a twilight zone.

Speaker: Really?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I like Twilight Zone.

Speaker: I think it's a bit of a drainer sometimes, but it's... Yeah.

Speaker: If it's set up right... I was at this place out in Buffalo, New York.

Speaker: My parents live close to Niagara Falls, so right near the border.

Speaker: And it's called Pocketeer, if anybody knows this place.

Speaker: It's incredible.

Speaker: They've got like 80 or 90 machines.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And they've got all the modern games and they've got a really good selection of older ones.

Speaker: But what sets that place apart is they're all just tuned up so well.

Speaker: And I've never played a Twilight Zone like that.

Speaker: And when a Twilight Zone, I didn't know it was possible for it to play that good with speed and just like, oh man, when that machine plays good, it is fun.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: The fun game.

Speaker: Yeah, Pocketeer, anyone's in Buffalo area?

Speaker: You got to check that out.

Speaker: If the rumors are true and there's a Twilight Zone being remade as we speak, are you going to pick it up?

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Maybe.

Speaker: Yeah, I've heard about that rumor too.

Speaker: I might.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I might.

Speaker: I mean, if it's getting remade, there's obviously a demand for it.

Speaker: There's people like me.

Speaker: They're putting it in their top 10, I guess.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Is that five?

Speaker: How many is that?

Speaker: Did I pick?

Speaker: I don't even know.

Speaker: I think that's like eight.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: No, wait.

Speaker: You had Godzilla.

Speaker: You had your TNA.

Speaker: You had Elton John.

Speaker: And I had Foo Fighters.

Speaker: You had Foo Fighters.

Speaker: Then you also had Junkyard.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: I might take that one back now.

Speaker: Yeah, see, I told you.

Speaker: No one's putting Junkyard in their top 10.

Speaker: I might take that one back, yes.

Speaker: There was Junkyard.

Speaker: There was also... It's just nostalgia for me.

Speaker: Fishtail.

Speaker: I do like Fishtail.

Speaker: A lot of it's nostalgia, though.

Speaker: These are the games that the arcade had when I was a kid, you know?

Speaker: And then that's... Terminator 2, not my favorite game.

Speaker: I kind of want one, though.

Speaker: But it's not my top 10.

Speaker: It's not my top 10.

Speaker: Well, okay.

Speaker: I'll take a JJP Pirates.

Speaker: okay okay that's a good one yeah and you're a seven if i that's seven now okay you said theater magic was another one okay that's eight i did have theater magic and twilight zone that's nine okay and oh for my final pick i'm going with pinball circus there's only two in the world yeah okay i i know

Speaker: And the one here doesn't work in Vegas at the Pimple Hall of Fame.

Speaker: And I see it.

Speaker: It's there.

Speaker: It sits there.

Speaker: And I'd love to play it, but it's always broken.

Speaker: They still don't have it fixed?

Speaker: No.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: It's broken.

Speaker: And Wizard of Oz is also broken.

Speaker: And apparently they just can never be fixed.

Speaker: I've tried to have conversations with that guy about it.

Speaker: And he's like, yeah, it's never going to happen.

Speaker: So, I don't know.

Speaker: The challenge is...

Speaker: It could be done with the right administration and the right staffing.

Speaker: I guess I'll put it that way.

Speaker: You hit the nail on the head, man.

Speaker: It's like, I still go there probably weekly.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Cause it's, I mean, it's great.

Speaker: And they, they have like, I have all the modern machines and it's fun.

Speaker: And I, every time I'm there, I play something weird and old.

Speaker: Cause there's still like something there that I'll, I'll be able to check out.

Speaker: But man, I just, I just wish that place had a little bit of vibe.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Just a little bit of like, like just somewhere I can, you know, buy a drink.

Speaker: That's not an eventing machine.

Speaker: You know, it has the vibe of a vendor Terrier or a Kmart.

Speaker: I'd argue Kmart has more vibe.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's maybe the back, the shipping receiving room of the Kmart.

Speaker: It's more akin to the vibe.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: So, yeah, but I, no, I mean, I support the place and I go there and everything and, you know, they got tournaments and stuff that, but I don't know.

Speaker: I just, I just wish, yeah, I wish they just, the guy like,

Speaker: you know, give a little bit away, you know, and get someone else in there to kind of manage the place.

Speaker: And I know they had a bunch of techs fixing the game, but I think like some of them were just kind of handcuffed with what they were like allowed to do.

Speaker: You know, they weren't having like, they didn't give them, you know, free reign to like, okay, I can fix this machine.

Speaker: Well, I think they had, they were definitely micromanaged on everything, you know, and that's, that's too bad.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So that's actually a pretty solid time.

Speaker: Well, thank you.

Speaker: I, I, I just, if you gave me, I guarantee you, if you said, all right, like if you asked me yesterday, I'd, I'd have that on lockdown.

Speaker: Cause now I'm looking for what else, what else I need.

Speaker: What else do I need?

Speaker: Any glitz?

Speaker: Let me ask you this, any surprises and anything that I'm like, I really should have had in there.

Speaker: Uh, fishtails was a surprise for me.

Speaker: Yeah, I agree.

Speaker: It's a nostalgic one for me.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And for me, that's a little bit more like, uh, contra on the NES.

Speaker: Like it's not a great game, but I'll still pull it up and throw the 30 guys in and go to the end of it and call it good.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: That's a great example.

Speaker: Um, I like another game I love from, from that era.

Speaker: That's not really very good is like, I love pin bot.

Speaker: Because that was like the game.

Speaker: It was everywhere as a kid.

Speaker: It's so bad.

Speaker: It's bad.

Speaker: It's bad.

Speaker: Jackpot is better too.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But it's, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker: There's games that I just like really just like I grew up with.

Speaker: Like World Cup soccer, I probably could put that.

Speaker: I mean, it's in your lineup, dude.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: It's one of my first games and it's been here.

Speaker: It's almost been in my house for a decade now.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I am surprised that there are a couple that I would –

Speaker: I would definitely consider it.

Speaker: I mean, now what you're not seeing is on the wall opposite from me is I have attack from Mars, medieval madness, monster bash, cactus, and Beatles.

Speaker: Oh, monster bash.

Speaker: That would be there.

Speaker: That is going to pick a from all those months.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's when I forgot.

Speaker: I love monster bash.

Speaker: Yeah, but I'm just glancing through top 100.

Speaker: And here are a couple that I thought would have gotten some consideration from you.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: Guns N' Roses.

Speaker: I'm a little surprised.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I don't really like the way it shoots.

Speaker: Okay, I've always said that it's an experience game.

Speaker: It's not necessarily my best layout, but no game brings the experience of a concert in more like that.

Speaker: Yeah, it's got a great light show.

Speaker: I agree with that.

Speaker: And I don't know, everyone I've played, I think, ever has been kind of messed up.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I think a lot of things can go wrong with that game.

Speaker: That's fair.

Speaker: Okay, yeah, I'm kind of looking to figure out if there's any glaring ones.

Speaker: Actually, you know, I'm kind of surprised there wasn't like some rando one from the 80s, like High Speed.

Speaker: I like High Speed.

Speaker: High Speed's cool.

Speaker: I like Black Knight 2000 a lot, actually.

Speaker: That's a fun game.

Speaker: Yeah, there's a bunch, man.

Speaker: Or like Flash, Flash Gordon.

Speaker: Yeah, there's a bunch, man.

Speaker: What about you, Josh?

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I don't, everyone's tastes are so personal.

Speaker: I just don't know.

Speaker: Oh, geez.

Speaker: This isn't a politically correct thing.

Speaker: You're not running for office.

Speaker: Tell him where he's wrong.

Speaker: I'm not a huge fan of fishtails, but I own the game for a little while and it just, I love the humor of it and everything like that, but I feel like it is a one trick pony.

Speaker: It's like either you shoot the ship and then you, you go for the big monster and then,

Speaker: Multi-ball is fun.

Speaker: Actually, the video mode in that game is pretty awesome.

Speaker: Video mode is hilarious in that game.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yeah, it's better than the video mode in Baywatch.

Speaker: Although I do like Baywatch too.

Speaker: Baywatch is kind of an underrated game.

Speaker: It really is.

Speaker: That's not in the top 100 on Pinside, I don't think.

Speaker: And I think it probably should be.

Speaker: Yeah, I agree.

Speaker: Yeah, I don't think it's actually in the top 100.

Speaker: No, I don't think it is.

Speaker: But I mean, I don't know, man.

Speaker: It's hard.

Speaker: So many of these modern games, a lot of them

Speaker: I don't, I don't like, I wouldn't want a lineup of 10 modern stars.

Speaker: And even though they're great, it's just like a lot of them feel very similar, you know?

Speaker: And like, yeah, like, and, and Keith Elwin is amazing, but a lot of his games do have a sort of a similar feel, whether Avengers or jaws.

Speaker: Like I don't, they kind of do feel sort of similar to me.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I will say I was shocked with jaws that,

Speaker: I feel like it shoots more safe than I was anticipating.

Speaker: I feel like it shoots, once you get in the groove of it, you can really make that game flow.

Speaker: And I was expecting more danger to it, which you can always remove posts and yada, yada.

Speaker: You can make any game harder.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But it's definitely a fun game.

Speaker: Well, Josh, I think the thing with Jaws, it's kind of like there's two in lanes because you've got that other flipper on the right, the mini flipper, and you can hold the ball anytime you want.

Speaker: So that really slows the game down.

Speaker: And it's kind of like you got a lot of that.

Speaker: And you got the ball save gate thing.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: The overship or close call.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, you got that.

Speaker: And you've got the button, whatever it is, the orange button that you hit to ball save in the left out lane.

Speaker: So there's so many ways to get out of trouble in that game, which is fun.

Speaker: But also, I find in tournaments, that's a long playing game sometimes.

Speaker: It's funny because the life ring on Jaws has conditioned me now, so I'll be playing another game.

Speaker: It goes to the left out lane.

Speaker: I heard he slapped the button.

Speaker: I'm like, oh, wait, that's in Jaws.

Speaker: That's not the name thing.

Speaker: Every stern is like that for me because Foo Fighters, it's the same thing.

Speaker: If you're with a mission and you got that light on, it's like, oh, before you drain, you got to hit that to hit one shot.

Speaker: It's like, oh, at least get an extra 10 million points or whatever.

Speaker: Every stern always happens right before...

Speaker: before I drain, I'm hitting that button, even if it's, whether it's on or not.

Speaker: Yeah, I did the same thing.

Speaker: I was just playing Godzilla and I, I think I hit the, the Tesla strike after I drained.

Speaker: I'm like, that doesn't work, but it's flashing.

Speaker: It's flashing.

Speaker: Well, we appreciate you coming on Shane.

Speaker: Is there, is there any questions that we didn't ask that you've just been dying to like get out there?

Speaker: What did we miss?

Speaker: No, your questions and... Well, first of all, thanks for having me on.

Speaker: But no, your questions were better than my top 10.

Speaker: That's for sure.

Speaker: Definitely.

Speaker: I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be like, what the... What did I say?

Speaker: Fish Hill, Junkyard.

Speaker: There are great games.

Speaker: I stand by... But then there's other games.

Speaker: I love Whitewater too.

Speaker: That's another game.

Speaker: I love that game.

Speaker: I'm just going to be thinking about

Speaker: It's just impossible answer.

Speaker: But anyway, no, no, man, we covered a lot of stuff.

Speaker: I like that.

Speaker: We talked about a lot of band pin stuff.

Speaker: Cause I feel like that doesn't get talked about a lot.

Speaker: The, the interest of that, you know, they're just kind of lumped in with other ones, but I think they have a very unique, unique,

Speaker: it's a very unique license, right?

Speaker: Because it's such a small group of people in control of that, where that doesn't happen with movies or TV, you know, or comic books or whatever at all.

Speaker: And I know the story that people get tired of hearing, but it's just goes to show like, so with guns and roses, right?

Speaker: Like Eric was having a hard time trying to get a live and let die because that's originally a Beatles song.

Speaker: And it's a Paul McCartney song.

Speaker: Oh, it's a Paul McCartney song.

Speaker: Sorry.

Speaker: So they were having, it's actually wings.

Speaker: If we're getting really technical, but they were having a hard time getting that song and slash called up just to see the progress.

Speaker: And he's like, well, we're going great except for getting live and let die.

Speaker: And he's like, give me 15 minutes.

Speaker: And then he's on a three-way call 15 minutes later with Paul McCartney and slash.

Speaker: And he's like, yeah, it's not a big deal.

Speaker: We'll, we'll take care of it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Meanwhile, like, like all the John wick stuff, like with the guns and you know, all that, like it's yeah, it's all that stuff is so there's just so many people in red tape and different matters of opinion and all that.

Speaker: I can't even imagine.

Speaker: And things are constantly changing.

Speaker: It's like the band,

Speaker: is the band, right?

Speaker: And the management is probably the same management.

Speaker: And like, I understand that it could be with certain albums on different labels, you could have trouble with the music.

Speaker: But the thing about that is no one can really say no.

Speaker: It's just a matter of like paying for it.

Speaker: So, you know, and it's not, most of that stuff is not that expensive, especially when you're talking about the quantity of games manufactured.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, we're talking about, not talking about millions of units here.

Speaker: So I think that all matters too, right?

Speaker: For, for what it is.

Speaker: So yeah, I, I think, I think it's cool.

Speaker: And I think that there's a lot of room for, for more band pins.

Speaker: And I know some people don't like them.

Speaker: If you're not, if you're not a music fan, then I get it.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: But I don't know.

Speaker: Some of them are the best.

Speaker: Some of them are the best shooters too.

Speaker: I'm going to call you.

Speaker: It still kills.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: You're top 10.

Speaker: No bands.

Speaker: I had two fighters.

Speaker: Oh, okay, fine.

Speaker: You know, you know what?

Speaker: I think if they may, if they made a modern, if Metallica is coming, if there's the spike three, there are all these rumors.

Speaker: If this is happening, that might be in my top 10 too.

Speaker: Cause I like, I like Metallica well enough.

Speaker: Um, man, if there was a new layout, Oh my God, I would be all over that.

Speaker: If they, if someone, if, you know, if Stern modernize that, I'd be all about that one.

Speaker: But, um, but even if it's the same layout, just, just with a, you know, updated, I think that could still be really, really awesome to have it shoot really well.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: I'm all about that too.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: Cool.

Speaker: Thanks.

Speaker: Thanks for coming on.

Speaker: If people want to get ahold of you or if they want to catch you on tour, how do they do it?

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Just look me up.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: It's called Silverstein.

Speaker: My name is Shane told you can, you can find me on Instagram.

Speaker: That's probably the social, it's really the only social media I use regularly.

Speaker: And yeah.

Speaker: And if you want to hear my podcast where I talk a lot more about music with other singers, it's called lead singer syndrome.

Speaker: Awesome.

Speaker: Content creator.

Speaker: Do you have one for Scott today?

Speaker: No, I will throw it out there.

Speaker: Kinesis slash this week in pinball.

Speaker: Colin, if you aren't checking out his stuff, he's getting more and more in the groove.

Speaker: He's doing really great.

Speaker: If you want more condensed news article style stuff, he's definitely the way to go.

Speaker: So check out Colin with Kinesis and this week in pinball.

Speaker: uh if you want to get a hold of us i like his game tips have you seen that yes yeah i like that like last minute in tournament i've never played this game before i call that up real quick he tells me what to shoot for it's good yeah thanks bud i like also he has a song of the week for all of his newsletters as well oh i like that and so that way he's like here's the vibe i've been doing this week you know so

Speaker: Um, if you want to get ahold of us, we are loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.

Speaker: And you're more than welcome to send more emails about Scott talking about pin dready.

Speaker: Uh, but if you want to get ahold of us on the socials, it's at loser kid pinball.

Speaker: That's on Facebook, Instagram X, uh, all that jazz Scott, send us off with your last, last words.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: You should go and check out Shane's podcast.

Speaker: That's my last word.

Speaker: And be good to each other and buy a Jaws 70.

Speaker: It looks awesome.