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Episode 27: Our Big A-Has From the First Season
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Welcome to Episode 27 of the Movement Logic Podcast! This is our last episode of the season!
In this episode, Laurel and Sarah reflect on their top three takeaways from season 1 of the Movement Logic Podcast. You’ll have to listen to the episode to hear what they are! We also discuss:
- How podcasting for the first time went for both of us, what was challenging, specifically.
- How science asks us to hold ideas loosely and remain a student (rather than fact holder and disseminator of facts).
- Why the language we use to talk about our bodies or our students’ bodies—and the re-education around using more positive, optimistic language—is so crucial to our ability as teachers to actually help our students feel better.
- The problem with all-or-nothing type thinking when it comes to better understanding a topic or finding the truth.
- Why publishing your learning process can be the best way to learn.
Reference links:
Episode 19 Oh, NO! Nose Breathing & Nitric Oxide
Episode 20 Pelvic Floor In-Depth with Stephanie Prendergast, MPT
Episode 16 Training the Non-Traditional Athlete with Rosalyn Mayse, AKA Roz the Diva
Episode 12 Movement Fads and Myths: Interview with Jules Mitchell MS, CMT, E-RYT 500
Episode 7 Is Pain Automatically Bad?
Episode 8 A Perimenopause Perspective with Trina Altman PMA, E-RYT 500
Episode 17 Pros & Cons of Using Resistance Bands
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Transcript
Introduction: Goals of Movement Logic
00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome to the Movement Logic podcast with yoga teacher and strength coach Laurel Beaversdorf and physical therapist, Dr. Sarah Court. With over 30 years combined experience in the yoga, movement and physical therapy worlds, we believe in strong opinions loosely held, which means we're not hyping outdated movement concepts. Instead, we're here with up to date and cutting edge tools, evidence and ideas to help you as a mover and a teacher.
Season Finale: Behind the Scenes
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Welcome to Episode 27 of the Movement Logic Podcast. I'm Laurel Beaversdorf, and I'm here with my co-host, Dr. Sarah Court. This is our last episode of the season, Sarah. What? Yeah.
00:00:58
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I know we made 27 episodes. Yeah, we did 27 in a season. That's that's a long season yourself on the back. That is a that is a job well done. That is a long season. No wonder I'm tired. You know, just to pull back the curtain a little bit. This is not actually the last episode we're recording. I still have some episodes to record. We always record these episodes in advance. Pretty pretty far in advance. A lot of them. This one is being recorded in early October.
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And we are going to end the season December 7th, I think, right? Which is when people will be listening to this. Somewhere around there.
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So we are technically not done recording all the episodes, and we definitely haven't received feedback and the world has not heard all of the episodes.
Podcasting Journey: Reflections and Learning
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But this is the last recorded episode that people will hear for this season. And we have quite a bit of podcasting experience now under our belt that we did not have.
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before recording this episode 27 episode, which is technically the last episode, but in reality not. But I wanted to ask you, Sarah, how are you feeling about podcasting? I feel good about podcasting. I sent Laurel a meme that I saw today.
00:02:25
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side-by-side comparison in the first cartoon is this musician, you know, trying to write a song and the caption is like, will anybody like this? And then the other one is two podcasters and they're like, so then I went to the laundromat and like, they didn't have any quarter, so mad and the other guy was like, oh yeah, dude, that's a bummer, right? Like, kind of making fun of the idea that podcasters just really like to listen to themselves talking. You know, I think that it's that, but I also think that
00:02:55
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Podcasters like conversations. They like having conversations, starting conversations, being in conversation. And I have to say that I've found this to be very educational from multiple angles. How I'm feeling about podcasting is that yes, I like it and yes, I want to do more. Could I be better at it? Oh my God, yes. Oh, me too. Sure.
00:03:25
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like all the heavy breathing and all the times I interrupted you, I'm like, ah, stop. I'm just teasing, you don't sound like time theater.
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the number of times that I hit the mic because I'm gesticulating wildly with my arms in a medium where nobody's looking at what I'm doing. But I guess I'm a hand talker. Like if I can't move my hands around, I don't feel like I'm making my point. I know. I know. There's a learn and definitely a steep learning curve. And
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You know, I think we've gotten better at it as we've been going along, and I know that there's certainly still lots and lots of room for improvement by you. No, I'm just kidding. For me as well.
00:04:10
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100 percent. But I also I do appreciate the to your point about being in conversation and the what I enjoy about talking the episodes where you and I are talking to each other um and interview episodes is is when I if I have a question that I'm like oh I'm going to ask Laurel this question you rarely answer it the way that I think you would and and so that's fascinating because then I just get it you know I get a different perspective on this thing and
00:04:35
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I also, I think one of the things, probably depending on the type of podcast that you're doing, but I, you know, as a teacher,
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And I love having information that I can share with people and be like, look how cool this is. Did you know this thing? Or how is this gonna impact what we're all doing? And I also love learning because I think that's key. That way you're able to be refreshed in your interest in your work to maintain this level of interest in what you do. Being able to come on here and talk about it with people helps with that.
00:05:11
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Yeah, it keeps a lot of stuff top of mind and also shows me, a lot of times it shows me that I didn't know as much about something as I thought. And then it spurs me to go back and go, wait a second.
00:05:24
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There's more here. There's so much more here. Yeah. Okay. Well, great. I just wanted to get a feel for how you were feeling about this. I wanted to take this opportunity in this episode to tell you in front of everybody that I don't want to do this anymore.
00:05:44
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I'm breaking up with you. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Can you imagine? How did you tell your podcast partner you didn't want to do? Oh, I told them during an episode. Honor. Because that way, she can't have a bad reaction. Yeah, look at me, my big smile, my laughter, crying. Of course, that's not true. Of course, that's not true. You guys hopefully know by now that I am a big jokester.
00:06:07
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So that's just me being hilarious. What I will say though is that podcasting is a lot of
Challenges Beyond Recording
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work. Oh my god, yes. It's a lot of work. Most of the work is not what you're listening to right now. The recording part is a fraction of what actually takes place.
00:06:28
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Yeah, the amount of time spent editing, but also we don't even really heavily edit our podcasts episodes. I might edit the solo a little bit more just because it's me doing that a lot. But yeah, the editing process is lengthy, but then the whole like telling people about it on social media and then the whole like show notes part of it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:06:58
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Although a lot of that is front loaded, like once you have a system in place, which we sort of do now, it does get easier. But initially setting all of that up, setting up the networks, setting up the, who's going to, how is it going to feed to Apple and all of that stuff in the beginning? What is a show note? You know, how do I write a script? How do I like all of that? There was a steep learning curve for me. Yeah, for sure.
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I think that you are so organized and also I think of you a little bit like a machine, Sarah. Are you a machine? Oh, Jesus. I'm a machine-operated because you are just, damn, you get it done and you get it done efficiently. And I'm over here like, how do you do this again? Like making it way harder on myself than I need to. That's my impression. Honestly, my impression of you is it's the exact same thing, but in reverse. Like I feel like Laurel is a machine.
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Look at this carousel that she made. It's gorgeous. It's so brilliant. I'm over here being like, I'm going to do a reel where I'm just like, mime along to a sound. I hope that's okay. The social media component of it is, yeah, we're going to have to review that. That's a lot of work.
00:08:13
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Uh, Instagram. Yeah. Also Instagram is just, it's become more work. Well, that's a topic of another maybe day. Um, so, all right, let's talk about our, this is
Key Moments and Learning Experiences
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our last episode. So we're going to do a little recap, um, not on every single episode, but maybe three things, three aha moments related to anything really that we've had this season from various episodes, like things we learned
00:08:39
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about our craft, things we learned about science, things we learned about some random topic or things we learned about ourselves, anything. So Sarah, I want you to go first. What are three big takeaways or aha moments you had this season while podcasting with me? I mean, there are a lot of things and these are sort of like in different categories.
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kind of referring back to what you talked about, as far as like being able to getting the opportunity to study more and learn something new. One of the favorite and this actually hasn't I think this episode is coming out next from when we're recording.
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I did a much deeper dive into nose breathing and nitrous, oh God, nitric oxide, I was confused too. And I was propelled to do it because we had done an earlier episode about breathing, like is there a right and a wrong way of breathing? In that episode, because I can hear it reverberating in my brain, one of the things I said was that it didn't matter if you breathe through your mouth or through your nose, it just mattered that you were breathing.
00:09:44
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And then I was like, you know, there's that book, that James Nestor book that everybody's been trying to get me to read and I'm real stubborn, so I just keep saying no, but maybe I should. And we also had some feedback from listeners who were like, you know, actually, it's not true. Nose breathing and mouth breathing are not the same. And so
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A, it gave me an opportunity to read a book, which is always nice, but also kind of do a bit of a book report. Like I kind of summed up a lot of his concepts and I also pulled from research in that episode as well to talk about the difference between nose breathing and mouth breathing and how nose breathing is superior for a number of ways. And I won't go into it now, you just have to listen to the episode. But to me, that also sums up our greater sort of
00:10:30
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is ethos the right word, where if we're saying that we have strong opinions loosely held, that means I need to put my money where my mouth is and not hold on to my opinion so strongly and be able to be wrong because I don't possess the amount of learning that currently is out there. And to correct that,
00:10:54
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and to learn a bunch of stuff, which I really did. Excuse me. And then, again, sort of that to that teacher part of myself to then be able to go out and talk about it and discuss and say like, oh, this is what I thought this was really cool because this and then pulling in things, you know, that sort of being able to sort of critically read something and compare it to other things that you already know. So that's
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You know, that's something that I really, really enjoy. And, you know, I was thinking about this as well. I teach anatomy in yoga teacher trainings and 200 hour yoga teacher trainings. And most of the people in that room have never really studied anatomy that hard. And I come in and I can see the overwhelm and the stress around this idea that like, oh God, I have to learn all this stuff and, you know, keep it, you know, memorize it.
00:11:43
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This is sort of goes to broadly how I feel about learning for anything, but especially in the kind of scientific world, because we always feel like whatever fact I learned is the fact. And it's actually not, you know, science is way less
00:11:58
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you know, hard, like straight and narrow and fact or fiction, then we maybe think and are changing all the time based on what we know. And, you know, so that have that ability to, yes, retain what you've learned, but to hold it kind of loosely, right? And not be grabbing it so hard that you can't let it go and take a hold of something that is actually more accurate, that you're attached to this idea of like, I am a,
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fact holder and disseminator, I'm no longer a student. I think of it as the difference between being a student and being a zealot. A student is someone who's taking in information, comparing it to what they know and allowing themselves to change in response to what they're hearing. A zealot is someone who takes in information and
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allows that information to dominate in a way that makes them almost incapable of acquiring and integrating new information when it contradicts what they've decided they believe.
00:13:14
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Yeah, that's a great definition.
The Educational Value of Guest Interviews
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So that was my number one, was that episode and getting the opportunity to be wrong and to learn something, learn a lot from that. I think the sort of through line of all of my favorite moments are that it was where I got to learn something.
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uh while doing the podcast so the next one is um again an episode that's coming up at the time of recording but will have happened already i did an interview with stephanie prendergast who is a pelvic floor physical therapist and just an absolute phenom she is that woman i've never seen anyone work so hard in my life and one of we are sort of work colleagues but she's also been my physical therapist for pelvic health and
00:14:01
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What I love about every time that I get to hear her talk is that she's so good at integrating not just this musculoskeletal concept that we come at as a movement person, but the whole system-wide approach. Things that are kind of like a duh moment when you think about it, but we generally don't put together. For example,
00:14:23
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the health of your pelvic floor musculature being directly impacted by things like hormone loss during menopause and that it's not just that you need to do a bunch of kegels, we need to actually balance out the ways that your systems are working and make up for this hormone depletion so that the tissue will function better. I'm like, oh,
00:14:48
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Yeah, right. It's not just it's not like you just are lazy. Or, you know, I saw some terrible sometimes I'm like late night scrolling on Instagram and I see ads for things. And it was basically like, it was like leggings that were that you they were like, you couldn't pee in this and nobody will know when you're at the gym. And I was like,
00:15:14
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You know, I mean, I get it. I don't want people to know if I'm peeing my pants at the gym, but shouldn't we go to the original source of that to put on the leggings? So she says, it's hard to describe. I mean, I just fangirled around her a lot. So I was thrilled that I got to talk to her. I've talked to her about a lot of these things before, but every single time she says something that maybe was just like conceptually too hard for me to get the first time I heard it, but then I'm like, wait, whoa.
00:15:43
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And she's really great. So and so many resources for women that we talk about in that episode. So, you know, because there's a lot of care that is for a lot of people cost prohibitive. And so a lot of good ideas, sources for people to be able to take care of themselves. And then I think sort of generally, my third is going to be
00:16:04
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all of the interviews I think are kind of were my favorite moments because either the people that I was interviewing where I was like well I know this person is a genius and either lots of other people already know like Jules Mitchell or they don't because they you know these are someone that I know who's here in LA or is in the PT world less of a less of a sort of movement world
00:16:26
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and the opportunity to highlight them and listen to what they have to say and continue to learn from them. And then also the interviews that you did, like the interview with Roz the Diva was, I loved it because I was like, this is so cool. I had never heard of her. I didn't know who she was. And so to get to be exposed to her and her world and her
00:16:46
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process and the way that she approaches, you know, exercise generally and and also just her personality. Just so, so cool. So for me, the interviews were really the highlight of the of the season in that sense. So those are my three. Yeah, you didn't have to talk to me. Yes. Oh, my God. Thank God I'm talking not to myself, but really, thank God I'm not talking to them. Yeah, that's exactly right. How did you know? Oh, nice. Yeah, cool. I
00:17:16
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I hear you though, talk, talking to a guest, uh, also for me were more, I would say more heightened because I wasn't as like comfortable. I wasn't like, Oh, I was just, you know, it was my girl, Sarah. It was like this person that I've maybe never met before, like Rosadeva. Um, and, um, and, you know, preparing for those was a little bit different. It was more about learning about them.
00:17:39
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and figuring out, OK, what's the wheelhouse here? What are we going to talk about potentially? And the thing is, I plan my questions. And then inevitably, the conversation takes its own shape, which is what I love about conversations. Because it's not about my agenda. It's about our kind of co-created process, which is cool. All right, I'll go. I'll go now. I'm the last person to go. I'm the only other person here to go. So it's my turn now.
00:18:11
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If your answer is not one, two, three, Sarah Court, Sarah Court, Sarah Court, I'm very disappointed. Well, answer number one is Sarah Court. A few.
Language and Beliefs in Pain Perception
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It's your solo episode on pain. Oh, cool.
00:18:23
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And the part where you, so you talked a lot about pain and the title is, is pain automatically bad? And it was a very enlightening episode on this new research that's coming out about pain and about how we actually don't have to absolutely always avoid pain in every single circumstance. There are times when pain is appropriate. So that's the gist of the episode, but the part that really stood out to me and impacted me
00:18:50
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and reinforced what I already believe, but actually made it even bigger and more important in my mind was when you were talking about the patient that you were working with who had pain and who thought that her disc, which had previously been injured, was rotting and putrid. And that when you explained to her that it had healed,
00:19:18
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It reduced her pain by some enormous percentage. I in that moment was like, wow, because I'm not a PT and I'm not working with people in the way that you are. And so my conversations with my students are very different.
00:19:39
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But when I heard that, I was like, how many people are walking around with these beliefs about their body, about the insides of their body and about what is actually what they believe is happening inside of their body or what they think has gone wrong inside of their body that are just actually not true at all, these myths that they have. And how is that impacting how they feel?
00:20:07
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Hey guys, it's Sarah. Laurel and I really hope you're enjoying the new Movement Logic podcast. We are having such a good time. We both really love sharing ideas with each other and getting sparked by things that the other person has learned. Our goal for the show was to help you feel the same way so that you can feel excited and inspired by what you're learning and even maybe take some of these ideas into your teaching. That would be
00:20:30
Speaker
That would be amazing if that's what happened. I'd be so happy because I know oh my god We both know what it feels like to be uninspired to be stuck in a rut desperately trying to come up with new ideas So you take another training and it just ends up you fall back into your old Habits of things you already know how to do because it's too hard to change who you are as a teacher We've all been there the whole reason why we created the movement logic tutorials was so that you can enhance
00:21:00
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what you're already good at instead of trying to be some other different kind of a teacher. Every movement logic tutorial contains so much to help you do that. Hours and hours of anatomy, kinesiology, myth busting. Myth busting is maybe my favorite part of the whole thing, but most importantly, dozens of exercises that help you
00:21:19
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with strength or flexibility or functional movement, whatever you and your clients want to do in their life. Because we're so grateful that you are listening to our podcast, we have a podcast exclusive
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00:21:54
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shoulders and then enter the code podcast at checkout and you'll receive 10% off your entire purchase because we appreciate you. So thank you and go forth and save. Made me remember just how important the language we use as teachers is. It is
00:22:17
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so important, the way that we talk to students about their bodies, the way that we talk about our own bodies, and the ideas that we are deemphasizing and emphasizing with the language that we use. So that was huge. Oh, cool.
00:22:35
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Yeah. And I remember, I mean, I remember that whole, I remember that patient so clearly, I remember everything about it so clearly because it was, while it was happening, you know, I was trying to be, have my professional face on, but inside I was going, holy shit, holy shit, holy, you know, the entire time. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:51
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Yeah, the way that we influence our students and our patients and the language that we use to tell the story of what's happening is just enormously important. And it really begins, I think, with what we believe about the body and the stories that we tell about the body. And so the reeducation that a lot of us are undergoing is so
00:23:19
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important and I think actually so much harder to undergo than learning a new style of yoga or learning to lift weights when you couldn't lift weights and or learn to teach something completely different. The mechanics of teaching something differently from a movement standpoint is challenging, but even more challenging is to really examine and question your own beliefs and the stories you tell about the body and to see how that starts to leak into your language.
00:23:48
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Yeah, it's constant. And it's it has it requires that you are willing to change some fundamental things about yourself as a teacher. And so it can be very uncomfortable. But anyway, that was really cool moment.
Perimenopause Insights with Trina Altman
00:24:08
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The next one was the conversation with Trina Altman, which was episode
00:24:14
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eight. So your episode was episode seven and then episode eight, uh, when I talked with Trina about her experience with perimenopause and the process that she underwent in finding evidence-based Western medicine doctors. Yeah. And so this idea that some doctors
00:24:42
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like OBGYNs, are their Western medicine doctors. They use evidence to guide their practice, but they're not always the most current in their understanding or their adoption of the evidence. And so when it comes to the topic of menopause and perimenopause,
00:25:02
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In this episode, what kind of comes through is that it's really important that you look for a doctor who is current on the research and who is not just basing their care off of the women's health initiative study, which had a lot of problems with it. And so this got me thinking about our general malaise as a country and society and our general mistrust of institutions and how
00:25:30
Speaker
One of the explanations for our current state of demise in the United States, in other words, we're in a stage of late stage capitalism, democracy is being threatened. And to a large extent, this is because of mistrust in institutions. One of the institutions that we've become very mistrusting of is Western medicine. Another is the educational system. Another is government and on and on and on. When we
00:26:01
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our mistrusting of institutions, some would call that critical thinking and to some extent it is, right? We can't just blindly follow the messaging and protocol of massive institutions, but the dark side of that is that we stop trusting big evidence and evidence-based approaches to doing things and we start listening more to our friends or more to grifters on the internet or more to
00:26:29
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marketing ploys. And I got to thinking about how when we are blanket mistrusting of Western medicine, this is really an all or nothing approach. It's really a black and white approach, and it's lacking fundamentally in critical thinking.
00:26:49
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But when we're just blindly trusting Western medicine, we might end up with an OBGYN who diminishes the suffering we're experiencing from the hormone imbalance we're experiencing during perimenopause and refuses to look at the various treatments out there that we might be very much qualified for. Like hormone replacement therapy, for example, not that that's the only thing that could happen. So I was thinking about how
00:27:18
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One of my goals as a teacher is to be evidence-based. And one of my goals as a teacher is to improve scientific literacy, improve critical thinking skills, but how there's so many people out there who are rightfully so really disenchanted slash mistrusting of science in general and Western medicine in general.
00:27:45
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And how I feel like this might be a fundamental misunderstanding of how science works. And the fact that science is not incorruptible, science is not a perfect system. How science doesn't give you this concrete, immutable, non-changing fact that you can put in your pocket and carry with you forever. And so to understand that science
00:28:11
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is I think our best way of knowing something, the scientific process is the best way of knowing something, but that it's not perfect will allow us potentially to find these middle grounds of like not fully distrusting. Evidence-based institutions, but also being willing to, you know, question them at the same time.
00:28:36
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You know, this is where I think this is like the crux of where we're at in the world. Yeah. Yeah. 100 percent. I mean, I think the other thing that happens and I actually was talking, I was like, I think this would be an interesting episode. I don't know if it's but talking about, you know, are you are you West Western based or are you Eastern, you know, quote unquote, Eastern based?
00:28:56
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Um, and you know, there's, there's so many things, I mean, even thinking about the medical profession as this monolithic thing when it really isn't. And I look at within my world of physical therapists, there's such a range of, well, are you practicing what you learned 20 years ago or are you,
00:29:15
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you know, when you had to take the exam, are you practicing what I mean, I got my license. And, you know, a lot of stuff in the textbook that I had to take the exam on. I was like, I don't think this is exactly right. But I'm just gonna write that this is the answer, because this is what they think is the answer. But I think actually more recent research shows that this is not, you know, so it's a lot to do with how much work are the medical practitioners that you have available to you putting in, right? And
00:29:45
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that can depend on so many factors. But yeah, any sort of wholesale abandonment of either the Western medical approach or the power of something like Ayurveda or Reiki, any sort of wholesale, like that's garbage, I think is always problematic.
00:30:05
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Yeah. Yeah. And just as a side note, the episode that I did with Stephanie Prendergast talks also about those resources that Trina was talking about, like trying to find medical practitioners who are not still sticking by that report from 20 years ago, which in fact is false. Cool.
Resistance Bands: Broader Applications
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And then the third one was my solo episode, of course. Why not? I picked one of mine. I really loved when I talked about it. I love everything I know about this topic. I love listening to myself talk about this topic, uninterrupted by Sarah and her dumb jokes.
00:30:49
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Can I say though, the solo episodes are really hard. They're so hard. They're hard because you have to really, you can't like lean on the other person. There is nobody to lean on. Find the word that you forgot or whatever. Um, there's no one to lean on. And, uh, so when I did the episode on the pros and cons of resistance bands, I didn't actually know. I just wanted to break in and say, I really did love that episode as well. I'm so glad I, uh, was a little bit like,
00:31:16
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Okay, I want to talk about what resistance bands can and cannot do. I didn't really know where it was going to go exactly. And I usually do a lot more preparation for the solos because it's just you and then it's the crickets. So you better know what you are there to talk about. And I came upon an understanding that I hadn't had before I started preparing for the episode. And it really kind of almost clicked while I was recording the episode and it dawned on me
00:31:45
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that just this this sentence, all strength training is resistance training, but not all resistance training is strength training. And I was like, wow, that's really good. Yeah, resistance training can encompass things like body weight, resistance bands, free weights. Right. But I think sometimes when we think about resistance training, we think that all we're doing is working on strength. But there are so many other capacities within the realm of resistance training we could be working on physiological outcomes like
00:32:15
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increase in muscle size, which is not the same as strength, right? Or strength endurance, which is a different variable than strength or even power, right? But then outside of the realms of resistance training, we could be working on
00:32:30
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things like improving proprioception, reducing sensitivity to particular positions or loads in the body. We could be working on just adding more movement load variety to our movement diet. And while these aren't necessarily things that we would progressively overload, right? I don't think we progressively overload proprioception. We don't progressively overload.
00:32:55
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Reducing pain in a position and we don't what we might if we're working on building strength to reduce that pain but if we're just trying to get somebody to be able to bend over without pain that might start you know from a much lower load kind of just movement perspective rather than just like.
00:33:10
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strength training perspective. Or if we're just looking at moving in different ways and loading our body in different ways, these are goals that we can have actually separate from resistance training, but we can use the tools of resistance training. And we do already, we use body weight, which is a tool of resistance training, resistance bands are a tool of resistance band, resistance training, even free weights, right? We could use free weights
00:33:32
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in a way that isn't necessarily aimed at getting stronger. It's not necessarily aimed at getting bigger muscles. It's maybe just aimed at moving in different ways, feeling different in a pose or a movement, or even improving mobility, right? So, I don't know, it's kind of a cool discovery. It's one of those things that you're right on the edge of understanding and until you actually take the steps,
00:33:58
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to verbalize and act on your understanding. You don't make the connection. And then when you make the connection in the moment, you're like, wow, it's really, really educational to publish your learning process. You know, it's really educational to ship it because in not wait for everything to kind of click in and for you to understand everything and be perfect. Like it's all an unfinished product. It's all a draft. And,
00:34:29
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to be willing to kind of get in front of the microphone or even on social media or even in your classes to just share what you know now can be in and of itself one of the most effective ways to know more, I think. So that was a big kind of aha, like, oh yeah, this is good for me. This is good for me in terms of my ability to articulate and understand
00:34:55
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and reinforce what I know in addition to this is good for me because, uh, now I don't have to rely explicitly on Instagram for people to know about me. Instagram is becoming very, very, um, laborious for me. Um, yeah, I think in the, that same concept applied to teaching where
00:35:19
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maybe you put together a draft of a class that you're gonna teach and you're like, it's got some, I can sort of intuitively feel there's a through line here of something, but I don't quite know what it is. And then it's in the doing and the teaching of it that you're like, aha, here's what it actually is. Like I had, there was sort of this like, you know, subconscious understanding that not until you're in the doing of it, do you put all the pieces together and go, oh, that's what this is.
00:35:47
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And I think that comes, the confidence to sort of sit in that unknowing place and let the knowing come to you, I think is a skill and comes with experience because you know that at the very least, even if it doesn't come to you, you're not gonna
00:36:09
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It's not going to be a total flop, you know what you're trying to do. Right. You know enough. Yeah. You know enough that maybe this is not going to be the genius, aha moment that you thought it was, but it's not going to be a pile of steam and garbage either. So right. Yeah. I think those moments are always really, really satisfying. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.
Excitement for Next Season: What's Ahead?
00:36:28
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Well, what do you think? What do you think folks can expect from us next season? Oh, boy.
00:36:37
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Um, more great jokes for me, definitely. Less heavy breathing. Less heavy breathing. Um, better network connections, hopefully. So I don't have this problem anymore. Uh, no, I think it, you know, kind of, I think hopefully at least people who've been listening get a sense of like who we are and how we, you know, put things together, how we think. I mean, certainly for me, this whole process of doing this is sort of what you described in that episode of like,
00:37:06
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It's been like, oh, yeah, that's how I sort of it's been a sort of cataloging of how I how I think and how I put ideas together. And so I think, you know, sort of more of the same approach and just a whole slew of interesting new topics. I already have a list of like five or six people that I that I know that I want to try and get on here for interviewing. I'm very excited about those people. More of, you know, that incredible banter that that, you know, in the words of Love Island, Laurel and I've got good banter.
00:37:35
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That's not actually right. They say, they say, he's got good, you don't say the teeth. I like his teeth. He's got nice hair. He's got good, he's got good bum. Those are the four qualities, teeth, hair, banter and bum. So you're going to get more teeth, hair, banter and bum from the two of us and more exploration. And, you know, just again, you know, it is, it's really, I think it's really freeing to be like, I have strong opinions, but feel free to change my mind. Yeah.
00:38:05
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It's really liberating in a way. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And, um, I have to say, I think next season, uh, I am looking forward to getting to know you even better, getting to hang out with you.
00:38:23
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And for this thing to continue to grow, I know we have a really big project that we are going to start working on soon as a special course coming. Just you and me. This course that Laurel is very happy.
00:38:41
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obliquely referring to very opaquely referring to started from a text message that I sent to her where and the text began with, okay, you're gonna think I'm crazy, but and I laid out this idea and she wrote back it was like I had the same idea. So we are if nothing else on the same page about a lot of things. Yeah, my best ideas for how you and I should work together come in like these
00:39:04
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epiphany moments while I'm like doing something random around the house. And I'm like, Oh, yes, Sarah and I should start a podcast. And I immediately grabbed my phone. I'm like, let's start a podcast and you immediately write back. You're like, I'm in the best ideas come in random places, driving in the shower.
00:39:25
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All right. Well, thank you. And I think this is a wrap for this season. It's going to be a couple of weeks before you hear from us again. I mean, I hope it's more than a couple. We haven't decided exactly on
00:39:41
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when we're going to resume these episodes. But you're not going to hear from us for sure for the rest of 2022. So stay tuned and go back and listen to some of the older episodes that we referenced. We're going to link them in the show notes, our big aha moment episodes.
00:39:58
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And all the episodes, starting from the very beginning, also follow us on Instagram at movement logic tutorials, as well as our own personal handles at Sarah Court DPT. That's right. And at Laurel Beaversdorf. And then get on our mailing list for freebies and to know about this secret course.
00:40:26
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00:40:52
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