EP7: Wrestling Contracts and Career Moves: Ricochet, Becky Lynch, and Beyond

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Speaker: So we are back, y'all.

Speaker: What's good, everybody?

Speaker: What is good?

Speaker: We're here.

Speaker: I'm tired.

Speaker: I feel like today has been a waste.

Speaker: A drag.

Speaker: I didn't even go to church today.

Speaker: I want to go praise God.

Speaker: It was good.

Speaker: He was talking.

Speaker: He was preaching, preaching this morning.

Speaker: You know what's funny?

Speaker: So I'm in this, I was in the studio this whole week and one of the artists that we, I met before a couple of times or whatever.

Speaker: He's a new artist.

Speaker: It's about to come out.

Speaker: Super, super dope.

Speaker: Name 11.

Speaker: And I finally was like, oh, give me your Instagram.

Speaker: You know, like, let me follow you.

Speaker: So then he followed me.

Speaker: I follow him back and I'm like, oh, you know my pastor?

Speaker: And he was all like, yeah, I play drums for that church.

Speaker: I said, wait, you're the one that plays the drums.

Speaker: Like, small world.

Speaker: Like, we live in such a small world.

Speaker: Are you working with him, too?

Speaker: Oh, no, I'm not working with him.

Speaker: I'm not working with him.

Speaker: He just happened to be at the studio, and we met a couple times.

Speaker: I mean, we may work together.

Speaker: But just let me know.

Speaker: What are the odds?

Speaker: He doesn't even live in my same city, but he drives down here just to play the drums on Sundays for church.

Speaker: That is amazing.

Speaker: Yeah, that's random.

Speaker: Random as hell.

Speaker: I knew of him for like two years and I just met him this year and not even realizing it's the same dude.

Speaker: And he messaged me today, too, talking about, oh, are you at church?

Speaker: I said, no, I did an 11 o'clock service, but I didn't go today.

Speaker: But, yeah, you were saying this week is just flying, or I'm sorry, this month or this year, damn, I can't even talk, is flying by, Donnie, you were saying?

Speaker: That's how much it's been whooping my ass, too.

Speaker: I can barely talk about it.

Speaker: Yeah, for real.

Speaker: When I seen six and the day, I was like, oh, great, we're in June now already.

Speaker: It's fast.

Speaker: Yeah, literally half the year is over.

Speaker: And just flew like we're on a NASCAR racetrack.

Speaker: Did his laps.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Just like that.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: But, you know, I had a great week this week.

Speaker: It was amazing.

Speaker: No, I was thinking something in my head had nothing to do with anything else.

Speaker: I never realized why they call it NASCAR.

Speaker: And it just popped in my head, like, obviously, because it's fast and the speed of light to pass.

Speaker: Yeah, it just, you know, sometimes something just clicks for you.

Speaker: Yeah, I don't watch NASCAR because it's just watching people drive.

Speaker: I see that every day.

Speaker: What I want to do is go to a monster car show.

Speaker: I feel like that would be fun.

Speaker: Why?

Speaker: No, no, like where they're in the monster cars and they're just crashing over the old cars and stuff.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I just feel like that would be fun.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I'll watch that.

Speaker: It may not be fun, but there's only one way to find out, right?

Speaker: You gotta go, right?

Speaker: You live once.

Speaker: They have them out here every once in a while.

Speaker: I just need to find a place where it's at and make a day trip.

Speaker: That's a very coastal thing.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Y'all gave blood this week.

Speaker: I live on the coast.

Speaker: Yesterday.

Speaker: Plasma?

Speaker: For what?

Speaker: Is that your first time?

Speaker: I donated blood.

Speaker: Oh, well, we had this little thing at church.

Speaker: It was a unity in the community thing.

Speaker: So we had, it was like five churches parted together in my area.

Speaker: We had a big little barbecue.

Speaker: They had water slides.

Speaker: They had, you know, the bouncy houses and they had snowballs and they were giving, they said, if you want to donate blood, you can donate blood.

Speaker: You guys call them snowballs?

Speaker: You guys call them snowballs?

Speaker: Yeah, we call them snowballs.

Speaker: They're snowballs.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Whatever y'all call them.

Speaker: Which y'all call them?

Speaker: Snow cones.

Speaker: Snow cones?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Some of us say snow cones, too.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Snowballs, mostly.

Speaker: Yeah, snowballs.

Speaker: It's because it's in a cone.

Speaker: Oh.

Speaker: Like, usually.

Speaker: Unless you have it in a cup, then it wouldn't be a snow cone.

Speaker: But I feel like I would still call it a snow cone.

Speaker: Which y'all call y'all frozen cups?

Speaker: Um...

Speaker: Cool cups.

Speaker: I don't even think we really eat them like that out here.

Speaker: Some of the people call them Dixie cups, but I'm not a part of that.

Speaker: That one I heard a lot.

Speaker: Dixie cups.

Speaker: That's the good thing I heard.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Like, we have ice cream trucks and stuff that sell those things, but like...

Speaker: You have to understand, I live on the coast.

Speaker: I live eight minutes away from the beach.

Speaker: So it never really gets that hot where I live.

Speaker: It's usually 60 to 80 degrees year-round.

Speaker: So when it is really hot, that's kind of when they come out.

Speaker: But we don't really... Now with the Ice Cream Mans here, because I live in California, it's bougie.

Speaker: So they have like...

Speaker: Like Mr. Softies.

Speaker: You know what that is?

Speaker: I have no idea what Mr. Softies is.

Speaker: So it's basically a soft serve ice cream truck that they do soft serve and you can get banana splits or any type of sundae and that drives around.

Speaker: That's usually kind of what we got now.

Speaker: That's hella bougie though.

Speaker: That sounds very bougie.

Speaker: Yeah, it's giving very much California.

Speaker: LA.

Speaker: And you had said 60 to 80 degrees.

Speaker: I wish...

Speaker: I wish we had that right now over here.

Speaker: Because it was 93 degrees.

Speaker: I was trying to fight 90 something over here.

Speaker: Yeah, no, it's been 67 the last few days.

Speaker: Can we switch?

Speaker: It's been overcast though.

Speaker: Even when it was sunny, it was still like 60 to 70 degrees.

Speaker: So I don't know.

Speaker: Yeah, I want to switch.

Speaker: You take our weather, we take yours.

Speaker: I love when it's hot.

Speaker: ish come on down um but yeah it's just been i don't know i could think i feel like i look tired it's been a long it's been one of them weeks y'all that's okay i know i look tired because i haven't shaved i haven't done anything i look well out and beat up a little extra longer than it usually be yes because i haven't had time to eat for the most part let alone groom eat that's one time one thing i make time for

Speaker: Yeah, you got that.

Speaker: Baby.

Speaker: Anyways, right after we get off this, I'm about to grow up on something.

Speaker: I don't know yet, but something, because I'm hungry.

Speaker: I ate before this, so I'm going to be great.

Speaker: I had spaghetti.

Speaker: I actually made spaghetti.

Speaker: I never make spaghetti.

Speaker: I made spaghetti for the first time last week or a week and a half ago.

Speaker: You got some fish with it.

Speaker: I did not.

Speaker: So I wasn't trying to make spaghetti.

Speaker: I just had, so I really made stuffed bell peppers, but I had a lot of the meat left over.

Speaker: So I'm like, oh, I can probably make spaghetti with the rest of this meat that's left over for the stuffed bell peppers because you put tomato sauce and all that stuff in it.

Speaker: So I just grabbed, I got some, what do you call it?

Speaker: A jar of actual spaghetti sauce.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: And then I put that in the meat mixture that I already made or whatever.

Speaker: And then I was on this diet that I was doing, so I couldn't have any carbs or any sugar.

Speaker: I think I told you I was doing that, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Is it still going?

Speaker: No, that's been gone.

Speaker: And it's funny how it ended, too.

Speaker: So anyways, I...

Speaker: Had to find noodles that were not actually, that were spaghetti noodles, but that weren't of any type of carbs.

Speaker: That was hard, but I found some.

Speaker: You found some in your area?

Speaker: Do y'all have spaghetti squash over there?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, I live in California, so I feel like this is probably the one state that, out of all the states that are going to have the healthy shit because people want to be...

Speaker: fake and, you know?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: Y'all gotta have it there, right?

Speaker: Y'all the fifth state.

Speaker: That's Hollywood.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You'd be surprised.

Speaker: Never mind.

Speaker: Let me not get canceled.

Speaker: what I was going to say.

Speaker: It's going to get us canceled.

Speaker: So let me just shut my mouth.

Speaker: I'll tell you guys offline.

Speaker: Choppa didn't get us canceled.

Speaker: I think we're safe.

Speaker: But Choppa can say crazy stuff because he's only, he comes every, you know, blue moon or whatever.

Speaker: And, you know, but we, we are the staples.

Speaker: So we can't really just be going out there saying anything crazy.

Speaker: Basically the faces.

Speaker: They see us every week.

Speaker: That basically we is the faces.

Speaker: I don't know what basically is.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So you leaving CT?

Speaker: No, I ain't leaving.

Speaker: I'm not going nowhere.

Speaker: But let's get into this.

Speaker: I don't have my notes up because I'm using the fat bone to record.

Speaker: But...

Speaker: Take it away, Donnie.

Speaker: Take it away.

Speaker: Let's get into just a little bit of the tea.

Speaker: First, on our list, we have Adam Cole and MJF.

Speaker: We saw that MJF made us return to the last AW pay-per-view, which, you know, given how he and Adam Cole left off before his absence, his strength of absence, and Adam Cole's injury from running,

Speaker: they didn't really leave off in the greatest of spaces.

Speaker: So how are we feeling about the return of them both to AEW television?

Speaker: Okay, so first off, we totally missed talking about this last week, and I don't understand how we missed it.

Speaker: I don't know neither.

Speaker: We literally watched the pay-per-view the next day we recorded and we didn't mention MJF at all.

Speaker: Nope.

Speaker: Just forgot about him.

Speaker: We really didn't mention MJF.

Speaker: At all.

Speaker: And then after we were done recording, I was like, oh shit, we did not mention him.

Speaker: Being that he's one of the biggest wrestlers in the world right now, the fact that we didn't even mention it, that kind of says a lot.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think it spoke to how bloated the pay-per-view was.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: That, you know, it was so easy to let.

Speaker: That should have been a huge moment.

Speaker: And it was in real time.

Speaker: But then when you look back and in retrospect, it's like it was drowned out by the length and how bloated the whole thing was.

Speaker: It was like a random little spot in the pay-per-view too.

Speaker: And it was so early on.

Speaker: It's just like, I don't know.

Speaker: It should have, I don't know.

Speaker: I don't know how they could have done it.

Speaker: Maybe it just wasn't the right pay-per-view.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: For him to debut on.

Speaker: They could have just possibly saved that for the dynamite after.

Speaker: Did he even attack Adam Cole?

Speaker: He gave him a low blow.

Speaker: Oh yeah, he kicked him in the balls.

Speaker: That's right, okay.

Speaker: I don't know, I just felt like that would have been better.

Speaker: But everything would have been better on the dynamite.

Speaker: That could have, honestly, that could have opened up Dynamite.

Speaker: It would have been perfect.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because I'm thinking, let him open it up.

Speaker: Give him a nice 10 to 15 minute welcome back segment.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: He says the same stuff he said on.

Speaker: Yeah, it was just random for Adam Cole to come out there.

Speaker: I think that that's the issue.

Speaker: Like, if Adam Cole had a match and then he came out there, it would have been a bigger thing, but it was just a random Adam Cole.

Speaker: Why do we care that Adam Cole's coming out here right now?

Speaker: Everything that Adam Cole has done since being in the AEW has been completely random.

Speaker: Random.

Speaker: He's been Mr. Random over there.

Speaker: But that's half the roster.

Speaker: They're all randoms.

Speaker: To be honest...

Speaker: The wind blow this way, you might see them in a feud with this person.

Speaker: Wind blow that way, you might see them being best friends.

Speaker: Or maybe you just might see them stab somebody in the back.

Speaker: God knows.

Speaker: Whatever reason.

Speaker: Or they might be sitting in catering with nothing to do.

Speaker: Ricky Starks.

Speaker: Where is Ricky?

Speaker: We're not about to do Ricky.

Speaker: It's not like that.

Speaker: Saying he's sitting in catering is crazy.

Speaker: Well, where else he is?

Speaker: He at home, right?

Speaker: This is definitely a Stan, Ricky Stark Stan podcast.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: That seemed a little shady, CT.

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: It didn't mean it in that way, but it came off shady.

Speaker: It came off very shady.

Speaker: I am not shady towards you.

Speaker: I've been one of your biggest supporters since you've been that long.

Speaker: You have, so that's why I was like, wait.

Speaker: It's not looking too good.

Speaker: I'm rooting for him.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: But what I did notice about MJF is why the hell was he so goddamn dark?

Speaker: What's with that tan?

Speaker: It was like he didn't finish baking.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: He tried to pull a reverse Michael.

Speaker: And it didn't quite work.

Speaker: It didn't land.

Speaker: It made it look dirty.

Speaker: Yeah, it looked dirty.

Speaker: He was like, go pressure wash this dude.

Speaker: That's exactly what it gave.

Speaker: You need to go take a shower.

Speaker: He spent five minutes in the shower and got out.

Speaker: Say wash nothing.

Speaker: Seconds.

Speaker: Because you can get a good wash in five minutes, but that was seconds.

Speaker: He can take you a whole bath in five minutes.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: You sure can.

Speaker: And still be cleaner than what he was looking.

Speaker: Yes, I just don't understand.

Speaker: Because it wasn't even that he was orange.

Speaker: That's why I was confused.

Speaker: It was like... Well, somebody said that he just over-tanned on vacation or something.

Speaker: That was definitely spray.

Speaker: That wasn't...

Speaker: that definitely was, or like a cream, that definitely wasn't, that he didn't wash off.

Speaker: It wasn't a natural tan.

Speaker: He would look good tan, though.

Speaker: That just wasn't the right one.

Speaker: No, he needs to get rid of that.

Speaker: I don't even think he would have looked good tan.

Speaker: If it was the right kind of tan, it would have been fine, because he's in shape.

Speaker: And that's usually why people, like, you know what it looked like?

Speaker: You know when the, um, um, those people that do, um, what's it called?

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: bodybuilding and they put that stuff on their body so they use their abs and everything that's what he looked like he put on his body and they're trying to wash it off but he had to go out real quick so he just got he just rubbed it down real quick and it still was there exactly what you're talking about oh my god bodybuilding spray yes because some because some of the athletes at my college do that and i'd be like y'all still dirty no i don't know it doesn't work i just don't

Speaker: Like, where does he go from here?

Speaker: Yeah, you fight Adam Cole.

Speaker: Like, I don't know.

Speaker: He kicked him in the balls.

Speaker: Like, it just didn't... Him and swerve after that?

Speaker: I mean, no, he's tossed a few with Adam Cole now, but I feel like that sufficed.

Speaker: Like, okay, I'm over it now.

Speaker: Like, I don't know.

Speaker: I feel like... They ain't telling a story yet.

Speaker: But I don't think they need to.

Speaker: And the reason why is because I feel that MJF is a way bigger star now than Adam Cole is.

Speaker: That it does nothing... Let's talk about now.

Speaker: Let's talk about ever.

Speaker: Ever.

Speaker: But I'm just saying he's such a big star that I feel like it's beneath him to go against Adam Cole.

Speaker: I don't think MJF is bigger than Adam Cole in NXT.

Speaker: Absolutely not.

Speaker: But right now, yes.

Speaker: No, no, no, no.

Speaker: MJF is bigger now and kind of before than Adam Cole even when he was in NXT.

Speaker: Like, the big thing about, the big, the huge thing about everything is MJF done with AEW and is he going to WWE?

Speaker: If Adam Cole was done with AEW, no one would care if he was going to WWE.

Speaker: Mm-mm.

Speaker: Everybody would just... We kind of saw that.

Speaker: We kind of saw it because the fanfare of whatever angst there was about MJF leaving AEW, going to WWE,

Speaker: was way bigger than what we saw when Adam Cole left NXT to come to AEW.

Speaker: I think that's a pretty clear standard of management.

Speaker: And I really want to know... Most people didn't care that Adam Cole left.

Speaker: The person that actually wanted to stay, and I felt should have stayed, was Kyle O'Reilly.

Speaker: I feel that they could have actually... No, no, no.

Speaker: Just in WWE period.

Speaker: I feel like he could have done something.

Speaker: They could have really done something with him.

Speaker: Like he is still not one of the bigger dudes, but they could have made him like a Brian Daniels of WWE because it's just how his moveset is and just how he works in the ring.

Speaker: Like he actually could have been something.

Speaker: But he decided to go to AEW and fight random ass matches like everybody else.

Speaker: I thought that they didn't really offer him a good deal.

Speaker: Any deal was better than what he's doing now.

Speaker: I mean, you got to think about this.

Speaker: They said recently that everybody on the main roster gets paid minimum $300,000 a year.

Speaker: $325,000 a year.

Speaker: That's minimum.

Speaker: Minimum.

Speaker: Minimum.

Speaker: So when we talk about going to, like they didn't give him a good deal, what could the deal have been?

Speaker: And then if they're on the lower card of NXT, you're probably getting half that.

Speaker: That's still fucking more than most of the half of America.

Speaker: So what are we really complaining about? $150,000.

Speaker: A year.

Speaker: So now it's giving these wrestlers are being greedy.

Speaker: I don't know what the women are because they said that was the minimum.

Speaker: So I would hope the women are still getting paid that amount as well.

Speaker: It should be at least close to that for the minimum.

Speaker: No, it should be the same, if not more.

Speaker: They say main wrestling minimum.

Speaker: So I'm asking men and women.

Speaker: So then that leads me to say some of these people that are on the main roster need to be cut because they do not deserve $320,000.

Speaker: I'm going to start with Tegan Nox.

Speaker: $25,000 right away.

Speaker: That's the minimum.

Speaker: I'm going to start with Tegan Nox.

Speaker: Don't deserve it.

Speaker: What is she really doing?

Speaker: Where is she at?

Speaker: She's doing nothing.

Speaker: Coloring her hair somewhere.

Speaker: Yeah, I'm just not a fan of Teak.

Speaker: I've never been a fan of Teak and Knox.

Speaker: Even when she was on the Mae Young Classic thing that they were doing.

Speaker: Was that what it was called?

Speaker: It was Mae Young Classic.

Speaker: Yeah, I just didn't see it.

Speaker: She wasn't good.

Speaker: She worked slow.

Speaker: And then she tore her damn ACL in the Classic.

Speaker: So that let you know something.

Speaker: And then did it again.

Speaker: One of her first matches back, she did it the other leg.

Speaker: I just, I don't know.

Speaker: She just, I don't know.

Speaker: She's not just unbelievable.

Speaker: She doesn't give me anything.

Speaker: Yeah, she's nothing.

Speaker: I can't see her as a champ.

Speaker: Like, and y'all know how I feel about Nikki Cross, but Nikki Cross gives me a little something.

Speaker: Like, I can, you know, I can.

Speaker: What does she give you?

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: She, like, Nikki Cross gives me.

Speaker: It's kind of scary whenever she was playing that show.

Speaker: No, it makes me like, fuck, like, damn, she won the bill.

Speaker: Like, I don't want her to have it.

Speaker: I don't want, you know.

Speaker: But the other girl, I'm like, I don't even want you to be employed.

Speaker: Like... Okay, Tegan, let's fix this real quick.

Speaker: We want you to be employed somewhere.

Speaker: Yeah, that's what I'm talking... I'm strictly talking about WWE.

Speaker: She can work at McDonald's.

Speaker: I hear they're hiring.

Speaker: That's...

Speaker: Or Barney.

Speaker: New York Barney Sesame Street.

Speaker: Sesame Street is crazy.

Speaker: She's making $6,000 a week.

Speaker: She ain't worried about no booking.

Speaker: Did you just do the math on your calculator on your phone or something?

Speaker: Yeah, I broke it down earlier this week.

Speaker: Oh, you broke down earlier this week, so you already know.

Speaker: Look at you doing his homework.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: The minimum wrestler at WWE is making $6,000 a week and $30,000 a month.

Speaker: You know what I could do with $6,000 a week?

Speaker: Well, even, but to be honest, that's probably not really an inflated amount, but you're not taking into account travel, medical.

Speaker: But you got to think about one thing too, depending on the wrestler, traveling is probably in your contract.

Speaker: I know Roma Reigns is not paying for traveling.

Speaker: I'm pretty sure Romarance is not paying for traveling.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: That's a factor in your contract.

Speaker: The Usos, Naomi.

Speaker: I don't think so.

Speaker: You don't think Usos are paying for traveling?

Speaker: You don't think Bianca's paying for traveling?

Speaker: No.

Speaker: I feel like they're paying for traveling.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: I feel like maybe before, but in their new contracts, I'm pretty sure they have that in there.

Speaker: So whatever money that, because they're making, Bianca Belair, the Usos, Naomi, they're making more than the $350,000 a year.

Speaker: I wonder if Bailey's paying for traveling.

Speaker: Uh, well, Bailey might be.

Speaker: And it's not because she don't deserve, but you know, they be doing Bailey dirty.

Speaker: Baby Bailey's so dirty.

Speaker: But, um, I feel like they, whatever their contract is, there's enough money in there added to that specifically for traveling.

Speaker: So it's factored into their contract.

Speaker: Um, so I, I know that they're, I'm pretty sure they're not paying for traveling.

Speaker: Oh, they're probably... And then you got to think about it too.

Speaker: So they probably give them a lump sum for traveling and then they figure out how they want to travel that's going to be the cheapest.

Speaker: Y'all watch Total Divas or whatever the other show, The Bellas, whatever they're called.

Speaker: What about it?

Speaker: They were talking about the traveling thing and how they just, they buddy up sometimes to travel.

Speaker: Yeah, because it's less expensive.

Speaker: It's less expensive and all that stuff like that.

Speaker: They don't fly everywhere.

Speaker: They drive a lot.

Speaker: Yeah, but you got to think about it too.

Speaker: We're in a different time than...

Speaker: now.

Speaker: WB era.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And the fact that now Triple H allows people to just take breaks or birthday trips for their kids or their wives or whomever, husbands.

Speaker: Things like that are taken into consideration which has never been done before.

Speaker: I think that they definitely I don't know.

Speaker: We need to have a wrestler on here.

Speaker: We're going to find out.

Speaker: We need to have a wrestler on here that has their travels paid for, actually.

Speaker: Let's clarify.

Speaker: No, but I'm sure that there's certain... When I mean wrestler, someone that either works in WWE, has worked for WWE, they're going to know something.

Speaker: They have to know something.

Speaker: They got friends.

Speaker: Yeah, they're going to give us the behind-the-scenes tea about how the pay was.

Speaker: Not too much behind-the-scenes, because I don't want them to never get a job again.

Speaker: Yeah, don't tell me drama.

Speaker: I just want to know how y'all get travel and stuff.

Speaker: Yeah, I just have to believe that they're not paying for travel or it's factored into their contract.

Speaker: I feel like... Oh, go ahead.

Speaker: Sorry.

Speaker: Oh, yeah, because I feel like people like the top stars, at least the top people with the championships and stuff, I feel like they're not paying at all.

Speaker: They're just getting that paper.

Speaker: There's no way Jay Cargill is paying for travel.

Speaker: No, I don't believe that.

Speaker: She's probably traveling with someone else, honestly.

Speaker: Her husband.

Speaker: And her daughter.

Speaker: They go, I don't think they go everywhere, but they go a lot of places together, so I'm pretty sure.

Speaker: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that they pay for travel.

Speaker: I feel like they probably give them a budget for travel in their contract, but I feel like they definitely pay for travel.

Speaker: So, just like I just said, it's factored into their contract.

Speaker: That's what the fuck I meant.

Speaker: Well, that would have been what I was saying earlier, that they still pay for travel.

Speaker: No, but it's factored in.

Speaker: So this is a lump sum of money that you have for your traveling.

Speaker: You spend it how you need to spend it, but this is how much we're giving you for travel.

Speaker: That's a little different.

Speaker: Why did you say it like you were disagreeing?

Speaker: You said it like you were disagreeing at first.

Speaker: You took it that way.

Speaker: You could have just agreed.

Speaker: No, you took it as a disagree thingy.

Speaker: It doesn't matter.

Speaker: Anyways, maybe I misunderstood you.

Speaker: Whose side are you on?

Speaker: He's on my side.

Speaker: I'm listening to both sides and I'm with Terrell on this one side.

Speaker: On this one, this time.

Speaker: Anywho, next subject.

Speaker: We got next.

Speaker: So next we have Jordan.

Speaker: Jordan's Grace.

Speaker: NXT and WWE.

Speaker: Well, official WWE TV show.

Speaker: debut because she did debut at the Royal Rumble, but this is her first WWE TV television debut on NXT this past Wednesday.

Speaker: This is freaking huge.

Speaker: They're doing what AEW... Right?

Speaker: They're doing what AEW does, and they've only done it so far with the women, which is actually huge still for the women division.

Speaker: Like, I feel like... Does Shawn Michaels only have daughters or does he have sons too?

Speaker: I thought he had one son.

Speaker: I was about to say, why do I feel like he has a son?

Speaker: Okay, I don't know.

Speaker: But I feel like Shawn Michaels is way more for the women.

Speaker: I know Triple H is too, but I feel like, I don't know.

Speaker: I just feel like, I don't know.

Speaker: Do you get what I'm saying?

Speaker: I feel like he's really pro-women's wrestling.

Speaker: Let's see.

Speaker: Shawn Michaels kids.

Speaker: Let's see what Google says.

Speaker: I feel like Triple H is pro-equality.

Speaker: I feel like Shawn Michaels is pro-inclusion.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Or Hickety.

Speaker: We're going to get to it, but NXT is very black.

Speaker: His children's last name is Hicken Bottom?

Speaker: Yeah, it is.

Speaker: It's a Michael Sean Hickenbottom.

Speaker: Okay, Cameron Cade Hickenbottom and Cheyenne Michelle Hickenbottom.

Speaker: He looked like he... And Michelle used to be a Nitro girl.

Speaker: Yeah, they're both daughters.

Speaker: No, I'm sorry.

Speaker: Cameron's a boy.

Speaker: Never mind.

Speaker: Cameron's the son.

Speaker: How old are these kids?

Speaker: They're probably older than you.

Speaker: If you can see T. Cameron is 24 years old.

Speaker: He was born in 2000.

Speaker: Cheyenne is 19 years old.

Speaker: I'm older than Cheyenne.

Speaker: barely barely barely by two years but I think that it's an amazing thing that they're what they're trying to do um or what they're starting to do um it makes sense because they're all both owned by this they have the same parent company now um and this is huge for TNA it is um and I like like there's certain wrestlers over there that can work and I what's like uh Joss Alexander

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Fucking love him.

Speaker: Super amazing.

Speaker: And then now, especially with Ethan Page now being in WWE, they already have a history.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Like, there's so much that could really, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Speaker: And then now these WWE stars have seen it, that Jordan Grace has come over here, and now they're like, ooh, I want to fight for the X Division title, or I want to go for, like, you know?

Speaker: Like, so there's so many good possibilities and things that I don't want it to just be NXT.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I needed to go over to the main roster.

Speaker: And this works out because SmackDown's freaking general manager is a TNA guy.

Speaker: Like, Mickie James, he keeps hinting on coming back and doing a match here and there.

Speaker: So... And...

Speaker: I need Gail Kim to give me one more match.

Speaker: One more her broken back.

Speaker: One more.

Speaker: One more.

Speaker: One more.

Speaker: That's all.

Speaker: I'll give you one more.

Speaker: Can we shout out to Naomi for starting this whole trio?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: We thank you, Naomi, so much for getting this together.

Speaker: I really want Jordan Grace to win.

Speaker: She needs to.

Speaker: Because really, let's think about it.

Speaker: Can Roxanne really compete where she can't compare?

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: The silence.

Speaker: All pop rocks don't pop forever.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: And she's not bad.

Speaker: She's just giving you Disney Channel.

Speaker: She gives Alexa Bliss but better.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: I feel like Alexa Bliss's character work

Speaker: Oh, no, by far.

Speaker: Trump's, most of the rosters.

Speaker: I was going to say, not a lot of people, men included, can mess with Alexa Bliss's character work.

Speaker: But yeah, so.

Speaker: You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: But the fact that her character worked is so good that we ain't tripping so much on her.

Speaker: But we don't talk about 2017 Alexa Bliss, though.

Speaker: That's one we don't mention.

Speaker: But everything else, yeah.

Speaker: She was great as a character.

Speaker: What happened in 2017?

Speaker: Was that This Is My Life, Bayley, Alexa Bliss?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, that was one of the worst women's segments I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker: Didn't she fall or spill something?

Speaker: Hmm?

Speaker: Didn't she fall or spill something?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I don't remember, but I just remember Old Dude from the Acclaim.

Speaker: Oh, no, that wasn't it.

Speaker: That was the Bobby Lashley segment.

Speaker: Never mind.

Speaker: Yeah, that was Bobby Lashley.

Speaker: Yeah, that was Bobby Lashley.

Speaker: The Lashley sisters one?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker: Oh, my God.

Speaker: Twitter was so funny that night.

Speaker: That was a fun night.

Speaker: That was a fun night.

Speaker: That was a fun night.

Speaker: Man, that segment was terrible.

Speaker: Man, that social media was so fun that night.

Speaker: It was terrible.

Speaker: That whole era was terrible, and I don't want to go back.

Speaker: But back to this open door, I feel like the women are holding the door open because if you remember not too long ago.

Speaker: Leave it open.

Speaker: Leave the door open.

Speaker: Leave it open.

Speaker: Just like what Luna Morris said, leave it open.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: But not too long ago, Masha Slamovich and Shayna Baszler had their thing at GCW.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And Masha Slamovich is primarily TNA.

Speaker: And so you just... Oh, she is.

Speaker: That's right.

Speaker: You have really so many... You have so many opportunities to do things.

Speaker: And the fact that they're letting them... WWE is letting them do stuff.

Speaker: Like, not even long ago... Who was it?

Speaker: They let Asuka fight overseas back in her country or whatever?

Speaker: Yep, she sure did.

Speaker: And that was, like, right before WrestleMania.

Speaker: Um...

Speaker: Was it someone's retirement?

Speaker: I don't remember it, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker: It was her and Shinsuke Nakamura.

Speaker: They let go wrestle somewhere else.

Speaker: Yeah, I do remember that.

Speaker: And that's kind of like unheard of.

Speaker: And then even with, what do you call it?

Speaker: The Good Brothers or whatever, they let them go back to New Japan or something like that to fight.

Speaker: They did.

Speaker: While they were still on.

Speaker: I know that they were trying to work out a deal with New Japan wrestling, but I guess AEW offered them more and more.

Speaker: Well, when you look at the AEW roster, it makes more sense for them to have the partnership with New Japan.

Speaker: Yeah, because I don't think WWE roster fits that style that much.

Speaker: Not everybody on that roster can go like that.

Speaker: Yeah, but then that, but I think a lot of it is not that these wrestlers can't go like that.

Speaker: It's that I feel like they're not given the opportunity to be able to work like that.

Speaker: Look at Ricochet.

Speaker: Like, some of the wrestlers that are on the roster, they actually can go.

Speaker: They just don't.

Speaker: They're not, like... You got to think about it.

Speaker: A lot of these wrestlers that are on the roster used to work in New Japan wrestling.

Speaker: We have AJ Styles.

Speaker: We got Ben Balogos.

Speaker: Yeah, you know, like, a lot of these wrestlers used to wrestle there.

Speaker: So it's not that they can't do it because they were doing it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think that style is not...

Speaker: I don't think those two styles are complementary when you talk about WWE.

Speaker: No, I get what you're saying.

Speaker: I'm just saying that they can.

Speaker: It doesn't need to be every day, but I need at least one hard-hitting match somewhere.

Speaker: That's what we have Gutherford for.

Speaker: That should be reserved for the big shows like SummerSlam.

Speaker: I want a New Japan pro wrestling-like match on SummerSlam.

Speaker: It's the biggest party of the summer, y'all.

Speaker: Tell it out every year, right?

Speaker: Give me something that's big.

Speaker: Speaking of Ricochet, his contract is expiring this week, by the way.

Speaker: So, not to switch subjects, I hope he does not leave WWE.

Speaker: Me too.

Speaker: I know they're not giving him no push, but realistically speaking, let's think about this.

Speaker: It has been proven that when wrestlers go to AEW, they really don't do shit.

Speaker: So, I just, like, why fumble the bag is basically what I'm saying.

Speaker: And also, he's like the main face of the Twitter championship, whatever.

Speaker: This nigga called it the Twitter championship.

Speaker: Not the Twitter championship.

Speaker: The WWE speed show, whatever it's called.

Speaker: He's the main face of that.

Speaker: Why would he just give up that money?

Speaker: Because, you know, he probably added into his bonus, you know, when he resigns.

Speaker: Yeah, I'm that guy.

Speaker: You know, I wouldn't leave.

Speaker: After I seen that minimum of what they making,

Speaker: I think the main reason if he doesn't leave, I think it's more so because of Samantha.

Speaker: Like his fiance is there.

Speaker: They're about to get married.

Speaker: Why go to a different promotion when you're about to be going, getting married to somebody and this is a home-to-mean stage where you're not really going to be able to spend time with your wife.

Speaker: Plus now, I think it's kind of like an election.

Speaker: So, and this is, and I'm going to break it down.

Speaker: So just like an election where we have our president for four months and then they do return.

Speaker: For those first four, I'm sorry, four years.

Speaker: For those first four years, you're kind of correcting the mistakes and all these things that the last president did.

Speaker: And then the next four years, you have it where you're actually going to do, you know, something and do what you want to do.

Speaker: When we think about it, Vince McMahon literally does.

Speaker: just finished with WWE a few months ago.

Speaker: Let's be honest.

Speaker: We are just now seeing from WrestleMania on and now what Triple H is doing and about to do.

Speaker: And I feel like

Speaker: They're giving Ricochet TV time now.

Speaker: They rewarded him for all his great work with his own, basically, championship.

Speaker: And I think that it's only uphill from now.

Speaker: And it does not hurt that we have people like Will Alsprey

Speaker: Basically saying how great Ricochet is and that he, they need to do more with him.

Speaker: The fans are jumping on the bandwagon that, that lets people, you know, WWE know like, okay, shit, we actually really need to, to do something with him because he really is the biggest star.

Speaker: So don't fumble the bag.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: And if I'm WWE, I will give him whatever he wants for his money and action price, and I will keep him around.

Speaker: And I will feature him because the fans want to see him push.

Speaker: He needs to be in the main title card.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Wrestlers respect him and say how great he is.

Speaker: You know, that's all I need to know from a person.

Speaker: what they call it, promoter perspective to say, okay, I'm putting this guy in a top spot.

Speaker: Let's do this.

Speaker: He's going to do this, this, and this, and this.

Speaker: The fans are behind him.

Speaker: People's behind him.

Speaker: Let's go.

Speaker: I would like to see him away from WWE.

Speaker: I would like to see him mix it up.

Speaker: I would like to see him mix it up with, well, I guess you don't have to be away from WWE now to mix it up with TNA talent, but I would like to see him mix it up in TNA.

Speaker: He definitely should not go to TNA.

Speaker: I feel like he can have a nice handful of matches on a world tour type of deal.

Speaker: That does nothing for him.

Speaker: Mustafa Ali is right there.

Speaker: Yeah, but who cares about Mustafa Ali?

Speaker: I personally like him.

Speaker: I personally like him.

Speaker: But like... To compare Ricochet to Mustafa Ali is dissing Ricochet.

Speaker: And I don't think there's a comparison.

Speaker: I just think they would have a great match.

Speaker: I don't like it.

Speaker: Didn't we already have great matches with them?

Speaker: They did some good stuff while they were in WWE.

Speaker: They did some good stuff in WWE.

Speaker: I get what you're saying, but I just don't feel that it's needed.

Speaker: It doesn't do nothing for me.

Speaker: You don't think that they could do any more good stuff?

Speaker: I'm not saying that it's not going to be a good match, but I just feel that it's not on my bucket list.

Speaker: I don't think it's on anybody's bucket list, but don't.

Speaker: No, I don't want to see that again.

Speaker: I'm good.

Speaker: It doesn't do nothing.

Speaker: It doesn't do anything.

Speaker: Because when you think about it, who's actually talking about Ali but you?

Speaker: I feel like he never made a big enough impact on WWE for anybody to care about him in TNA.

Speaker: I personally like the dude, but that's just me.

Speaker: But I'm thinking about, on the grand scheme of things, she just... I still would like to see that match happen as a ricochet tour.

Speaker: Because I feel like that would just be a good...

Speaker: um you basically wanted him to do kind of what what will all spray did what will all spray did what um sasha did or mercedes did i don't feel like she did a tour she kind of did a tour she went to new japan and she went to stardom went to what was it isn't stardom with new japan though

Speaker: I mean, yeah, but they're not the same company.

Speaker: You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: Yeah, but it's similar.

Speaker: I don't feel like that was a tour.

Speaker: I feel like she signed to them for the year, got injured, and then went to AEW.

Speaker: And she still went to Mexico.

Speaker: Or not Mexico, but she still did New Japan things with Mexico.

Speaker: She did?

Speaker: Who'd she fight?

Speaker: Stephanie Valkyr?

Speaker: I wouldn't consider that her going to Mexico.

Speaker: Okay, never mind, Terrell.

Speaker: I was there for that.

Speaker: Yes, I know.

Speaker: It was in California, one.

Speaker: Two, that was for the championship that they were having.

Speaker: I'm saying it's not a world tour.

Speaker: What I'm saying is... Let him have his moment.

Speaker: Because... It's not a moment, though.

Speaker: I don't want to say it anymore.

Speaker: He's stating facts, man.

Speaker: What are the facts?

Speaker: Well, if you let the facts come out, maybe you will hear them.

Speaker: But let's get back on to... You said it and I disproved that it was a fact.

Speaker: No, I said it and you didn't let me finish.

Speaker: Okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker: Finish, please.

Speaker: No, so... Let him finish the story.

Speaker: Becky's contract is up.

Speaker: Becky Lynch is now... Did you just change the whole subject?

Speaker: Yes, I did.

Speaker: Becky Lynch is now a free agent.

Speaker: So...

Speaker: Do we want to see Becky outside of WWE?

Speaker: Do we just want to see her be a mother?

Speaker: She needs a break.

Speaker: She does not need to go to AEW and be wrestling under Rebecca Quinn or Queen, whatever her name is.

Speaker: I don't want to see that at all.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: She needs to take a break, go raise her kid for a little while, rest up, recuperate, sign a new contract, and come back where she at.

Speaker: Why does she need a break?

Speaker: Because I keep hearing people saying that she needs a break, but I'm like, the girl just had a fucking year off not too long ago.

Speaker: She keeps saying that she wanted to take one, but she had to come back because somebody got injured on Raw.

Speaker: I forgot the girl's name.

Speaker: They asked her if she would come back early, and she said yes.

Speaker: And she said, yeah, but she was going to be... That's on her.

Speaker: She wanted to be on a break, but she's... No, no, no.

Speaker: She came back in August.

Speaker: But she's married to a company man.

Speaker: Listen, listen, listen, listen.

Speaker: She came back in August when she was scheduled to come back in October.

Speaker: You came back two months early, and you're really going to say something, really?

Speaker: Really?

Speaker: I think she needs a break.

Speaker: Becky has been doing a lot for the women's side of things as far as, you know, people getting paid up with her for TV time.

Speaker: We saw Tiff.

Speaker: We saw... What's the girl's name that just came up to Raw?

Speaker: Had the match with Nia?

Speaker: Lyra.

Speaker: Lyra.

Speaker: We saw Lyra.

Speaker: We even saw Trish.

Speaker: I think that was a lot for one superstar to do in a short amount of time.

Speaker: I'm not saying that.

Speaker: What I'm saying is I feel...

Speaker: That because women wrestling is starting to go on an upward scale that I feel like her taking a break now, not that it hurts anything, but we're in the day and age is out of sight, out of mind.

Speaker: I just don't know.

Speaker: I feel like if you were going to take a break, take a break.

Speaker: But I feel like she should have signed because she's at the height of her career right now.

Speaker: If you're going to come back to WWE, she's fine.

Speaker: I don't feel like we care to see her anywhere else because let's be 150% honest.

Speaker: She's not that great in the ring.

Speaker: And she's one of the first people to tell you that.

Speaker: She's great on the mic, but she's not that great in the ring.

Speaker: So me going to go watch where we see like, oh, Sasha Banks did her world tour and was fighting all these different wrestlers and showing what she could do.

Speaker: Becky really can't do much, so I don't care to see her anywhere else fighting anybody else so she can botch some more matches.

Speaker: So you think that she shouldn't take the break but resign?

Speaker: She should have resigned and took a break, have it in her contract.

Speaker: I need this amount of days off a year.

Speaker: She's one of the biggest wrestlers in the world.

Speaker: I think he kind of froze up.

Speaker: I froze up?

Speaker: Or Donnie.

Speaker: No, he's stuck.

Speaker: Am I frozen?

Speaker: Yeah, you kind of froze up a little bit.

Speaker: Oh, your camera is doing strange things.

Speaker: Yeah, you were poking out like this.

Speaker: I'm not even moving.

Speaker: A few seconds.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: You're back now.

Speaker: I'm still not moving.

Speaker: Uh-oh.

Speaker: That's not good.

Speaker: Oh, no.

Speaker: I'm personally not moving.

Speaker: Oh, there you go.

Speaker: It's fixed now.

Speaker: There we go.

Speaker: Are we sure it's not you?

Speaker: Yeah, I was going to say, maybe it's not me and it's you.

Speaker: No, I'm moving fine.

Speaker: I'm not glitching.

Speaker: But it doesn't matter.

Speaker: Even if I'm moving like this or glitching or whatever, the camera that you guys see me on is not the camera that's being used for the video that we're going to post.

Speaker: Okay, well, we're fine then.

Speaker: Okay, continue on.

Speaker: I think for Becky, for me, it's not as much.

Speaker: He said, I'm going to say something.

Speaker: It's good because I don't know what I was saying anyways.

Speaker: I forgot.

Speaker: I don't think it's so much for me seeing her outside of WWE.

Speaker: I really don't have any interest in her outside of WWE.

Speaker: But I think it is kind of very obtuse to say.

Speaker: Maybe obtuse is kind of.

Speaker: That's kind of harsh.

Speaker: That's not.

Speaker: But anyway, I think it's very obtuse to say.

Speaker: That's not the right word.

Speaker: They're going to say it again.

Speaker: Geometry, y'all.

Speaker: The obtuse angle.

Speaker: That big angle in geometry.

Speaker: Becky is not, she's not at the height of her career.

Speaker: I think we saw Prime Becky during The Man.

Speaker: 2019.

Speaker: That's the last time that she was peak.

Speaker: So then that means you're saying that she's going downhill.

Speaker: I don't want to say that she's going down here.

Speaker: I think she's very much so in her legacy phase.

Speaker: She's content where she's at.

Speaker: Yeah, I think that with Becky, she's done so much for not just women's wrestling, but WWE.

Speaker: I don't think it matters how long her break is.

Speaker: I feel like she'll always have a spot there.

Speaker: But I don't want the Ric Flair effect.

Speaker: I don't want that.

Speaker: I don't think she's going to do that.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: But she has to be like 60 to do that.

Speaker: No, but I'm just saying, well, probably less younger because it's women.

Speaker: So they're not treated the same as men.

Speaker: And, you know, I mean, the Ric Flair effect is Charlotte.

Speaker: No, because Charlotte, I don't think, no, you're missing what I'm saying.

Speaker: What I mean by that is like you come back and like you're in the main picture.

Speaker: The only reason Charlotte is even out right now is because she's injured.

Speaker: Yeah, but every time she comes back, she wins a championship.

Speaker: Every single time.

Speaker: But she can back it up.

Speaker: You don't think she's not... So you're saying she's not good in the ring and she can't back it up?

Speaker: That is not what I'm saying.

Speaker: But your face said it.

Speaker: No, that's not what my face said.

Speaker: That's not what my face said.

Speaker: Yes, it was.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: She hasn't been good in two years, but, you know... You said she hasn't been good in two years.

Speaker: That's just me.

Speaker: I haven't enjoyed a short-off-flat match in two years.

Speaker: Her match last year at WrestleMania was one of the best matches at WrestleMania.

Speaker: You do not agree with her and Rhea Ripley?

Speaker: It was kind of boring.

Speaker: the match was boring yeah i was falling asleep wow that was literally one of the best women matches in wwe here's what i was saying about charlotte do you agree with the match being boring donnie no i liked i enjoyed the match i thought the match was good it was actually one of the best matches of the night i was about to say the weekend i would say top two or three

Speaker: Yes, for him to call it boring is crazy.

Speaker: Oh, man.

Speaker: But the thing with Charlotte is... I wasn't into that one.

Speaker: It depends on who her opponent is.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That is true.

Speaker: That's why I made the face.

Speaker: I think she's one of the best, but... Okay, Rhea Ripley fans, don't slander me when I say that that match was boring.

Speaker: I like Rhea Ripley.

Speaker: She's really good in the ring.

Speaker: I like her character work.

Speaker: I just... I don't think Rhea Ripley's really good in the ring.

Speaker: I just didn't think that they connected.

Speaker: She's not bad, but I don't think that she's really connected.

Speaker: I feel like all of their other matches, they didn't really connect, but I feel like that match they did.

Speaker: And I feel like most of Charlotte's matches, they allow Charlotte to lead.

Speaker: Which is why she be missing some of those natural solutions.

Speaker: Now that... I watched one where... I watched a clip the other day where she did it with...

Speaker: Well, she didn't really do it at all.

Speaker: What's that girl's name?

Speaker: From Iconics.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Payne Royce.

Speaker: Payne Royce.

Speaker: I said, what the hell was that?

Speaker: Payne Royce did.

Speaker: Yeah, didn't even hit her head on nothing.

Speaker: I said, please, Payne.

Speaker: Please.

Speaker: You should have just played it off like she missed it, and then she could have went up and did it again.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And I also feel like a Charlotte match is also going to be contingent of how much respect she has for you two.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because a lot of these girls she don't want to bump for.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But she, like, so, I think one of her other best matches was her and Naomi.

Speaker: But I know that they have a great relationship.

Speaker: They have not missed at all.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, you know.

Speaker: They've never had a bad match.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Never.

Speaker: But they don't... Like, that's what I would want... That's actually what I would want to see, for Naomi to come back, win, and then feud with Charlotte.

Speaker: Like, actually have a feud.

Speaker: And I think that that's the one thing that WWE is missing with the women, is actual feuds.

Speaker: They give them to the guys, but they don't really give them to the women.

Speaker: Like, the last real big... Because...

Speaker: What it is is, okay, this person has the championship.

Speaker: We're going to have you feud with them.

Speaker: And that'll be over in a month and a half once you win the belt or lose the belt.

Speaker: We'll go on to the next.

Speaker: But there's no longevity in any of the feuds except for the one really that I can think of was with Naomi and Sonya Deville.

Speaker: It had nothing to do with a title, would actually have a storyline.

Speaker: And it was fun.

Speaker: And it was fun.

Speaker: And then it led her to win the tag team championships with Sasha.

Speaker: So there was a payoff at the end of it.

Speaker: And I felt like the women don't really have... And the other few that I can think of was the one with Trish Stadish, but that didn't really make any sense because she beat up Lita and then we never seen Lita again.

Speaker: Lita becoming a tag team champion made zero sense.

Speaker: Now, I liked it just because I'm a fan of Lita, but in my objective mind, I was like, girl...

Speaker: And for Trish to come back, they only did that to give Bayley a belt.

Speaker: Let's just be honest.

Speaker: They only did that to give Bayley the tag team belt.

Speaker: I mean, I'm sorry, not Bayley, Becky.

Speaker: That's the only reason why they had her team with that.

Speaker: But it would have made more sense if Trish and Lita actually won the belts together.

Speaker: That would have made way more sense.

Speaker: It would have been a huge thing.

Speaker: Since they were both back at the same time.

Speaker: Like, you know, like...

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: What do I know?

Speaker: Terrell, you're speaking today.

Speaker: You've been on the road today.

Speaker: That was Vince McMahon.

Speaker: You're breaking everything down and everything.

Speaker: Love the analogies you're doing, too.

Speaker: But we can move on.

Speaker: We can move on.

Speaker: Well, before we move on, Jordan Grace needs to win that belt.

Speaker: It will be huge for TNA.

Speaker: It will be huge for WWE.

Speaker: And show that we are in a new day and age.

Speaker: Would this be the first inter-company

Speaker: Double champion with WWE?

Speaker: I believe so.

Speaker: Is that what you can think of?

Speaker: If we don't count the WCW, what they were doing when they bought them out, then this is the first I can think of.

Speaker: I don't think people count that.

Speaker: Because it technically wasn't WCW anymore.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: That was nothing about WCW.

Speaker: DNA is still technically a different company.

Speaker: I can't think of any...

Speaker: I can't even think of anything for the meme.

Speaker: Did you guys know, as I was watching this documentary earlier about the rise of Vince McMahon and how he, you know, basically made... Did you know that he... That was his second time buying out WCW?

Speaker: Really?

Speaker: Yeah, I did not know that.

Speaker: When did you buy it the first time?

Speaker: This was like in the 70s or 80s or something like that.

Speaker: Oh, wow.

Speaker: NWA?

Speaker: NWA?

Speaker: No.

Speaker: So he was with NWA, him and Richard Pritch, what's his name?

Speaker: Richard, whatever the fuck his name is.

Speaker: They quit NWA and started their own promotion, which was WWF.

Speaker: And he started scouting and greeting all of these wrestlers.

Speaker: So he had all of the main wrestlers.

Speaker: He got Hulk Hogan and all this other stuff.

Speaker: So then he started going in and stealing these wrestlers from other promotions, offering them more money.

Speaker: So then these other promotions had to either, you know, they went belly up.

Speaker: So he bought them out.

Speaker: He was buying all of them.

Speaker: And the last one was WCW.

Speaker: What he did was he bought the time slot for TBS or whatever station they were on.

Speaker: They were owned by Warner.

Speaker: He bought the time slot.

Speaker: Which then they were like, oh, what the hell are we going to do?

Speaker: So then they end up selling the company to him.

Speaker: So once all that happened or whatever, he was trying to buy out to get on TV.

Speaker: People weren't watching it because I guess the style of wrestling was different than what they were used to.

Speaker: So he sold the slot back to Turner, whatever his name is, that one that started WCW, sold this time slot back to him.

Speaker: And then he created WCW again.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: But yeah, I didn't know that, though.

Speaker: I was like, that was his second time.

Speaker: Vince McMahon did a lot of stuff for wrestling that we still don't know about.

Speaker: Yeah, he's literally the biggest wrestling promoter of all time.

Speaker: And the fact that he's just so disgusting just makes it even more sad.

Speaker: But you gotta think about it.

Speaker: Most of the people that are the greatest at something are disgusting people.

Speaker: Look at R. Kelly.

Speaker: Exactly, man.

Speaker: King of R&B.

Speaker: I'm sorry.

Speaker: I said no shit.

Speaker: I don't lie.

Speaker: But he is.

Speaker: Oh, no.

Speaker: He's definitely the king.

Speaker: But sometimes the king got to get the throne.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Definitely one of the former kings.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: One of the former kings of R&B.

Speaker: Oh, he's the only king of R&B.

Speaker: Who else is the king right now?

Speaker: Well, I think given R. Kelly kind of went through the French Revolution of R&B, I don't think he's the king of R&B anymore.

Speaker: My point is we don't have one anymore.

Speaker: There is no King of R&B.

Speaker: I mean, Usher is the next highest-selling R&B male.

Speaker: What did this album do this time?

Speaker: Paper.

Speaker: It did paper.

Speaker: Double cardboard.

Speaker: It was not getting king.

Speaker: Can you name a song off of that album?

Speaker: I cannot.

Speaker: I do like that song.

Speaker: I do like that song.

Speaker: Good girl.

Speaker: I like that one.

Speaker: That's a cute song.

Speaker: My favorite song is Believer.

Speaker: I'm kind of biased to that record though.

Speaker: Oh really?

Speaker: Yeah, my friend wrote it.

Speaker: But... See, to really know some people.

Speaker: His friend wrote that song.

Speaker: But I just don't think that the... I don't know.

Speaker: That one was decent, but no one cares.

Speaker: I mean, even at this point in R. Kelly's career...

Speaker: what, usher's, what, 30 years into his career?

Speaker: At this point in R. Kelly's career, his albums weren't doing too well.

Speaker: No, no, no, but I can tell you why R. Kelly is the king of R&B more than anybody else can ever be, is because R. Kelly was writing hits for everybody.

Speaker: It wasn't just him.

Speaker: And I'm not disagreeing at all.

Speaker: So even if R. Kelly was not in jail and his albums weren't doing anything, I bet you anything on earth that he would still be writing hits for other people.

Speaker: Yeah, he will still be writing music and still selling out concerts.

Speaker: His writing is different than anybody else.

Speaker: Like, literally, because he can't read or write.

Speaker: From people that have told me that have worked with him, that he goes into the booth, he'll go into the subject, and he'll go in the booth and just freestyle the whole thing and then leave.

Speaker: Yeah, because he's still in the toys and cannot read or write.

Speaker: That's true.

Speaker: Literally, like, we've had...

Speaker: Like, we're never going to have artists that are great like that.

Speaker: We've had the Michael Jacksons.

Speaker: We've had the Princes.

Speaker: We've had Janet.

Speaker: And this is a wrestling podcast.

Speaker: I'm sorry, but I have to say this.

Speaker: When people sit there and say that Chris Brown or Beyonce is the next Michael Jackson, that's fucking false.

Speaker: The next Michael Jackson was Janet Jackson.

Speaker: It was.

Speaker: And they need to start giving her her damn credit.

Speaker: They need to start giving her her goddamn credit.

Speaker: Because nobody was outselling...

Speaker: Like his sister was.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: She did stuff that he couldn't do.

Speaker: Could not do.

Speaker: She literally was the biggest.

Speaker: And then when you got to think about it, I want to say 2000 and... The early 90s from 2008 or something like that.

Speaker: No, 2004, because that's when the whole nipple slip thing.

Speaker: She was literally the most searched woman on the internet.

Speaker: The reason we have a YouTube... Rightfully so, by the way.

Speaker: And this is before the nipple slip.

Speaker: Before.

Speaker: Way before that.

Speaker: Was the highest paid artist in music twice.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: She was.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Do you research, folks?

Speaker: That's true.

Speaker: That's what I think I hate about some of the stuff with the music industry is that we give all this credit to, like, the Taylor Swift and, oh, they did this or whatever.

Speaker: The Slippies.

Speaker: And even Rihanna.

Speaker: No, no shade to Rihanna because she did some of her beats before this.

Speaker: But, like, they're streaming.

Speaker: The artists back in the day, it was physicals.

Speaker: People were going to the damn store, the record store.

Speaker: And we had record stores.

Speaker: Had record stores.

Speaker: Yes, we were going to Blockbuster Music and all this other stuff.

Speaker: Y'all, we tell you what age with that one.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Radio shit.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: They don't have that today.

Speaker: Buying them.

Speaker: I got Spotify.

Speaker: And not even just CDs.

Speaker: We had the cassette players that we was buying.

Speaker: And had the records, had the tapes.

Speaker: Yeah, had the CDs.

Speaker: And you got to think about it, too.

Speaker: Man, you talking like my mama up in here.

Speaker: I had one with CDs.

Speaker: I'm like, okay.

Speaker: Yeah, when it was a good album, you needed one for your car and one for the house.

Speaker: And one for your house.

Speaker: Come on, somebody.

Speaker: That's what my dad bought albums four times.

Speaker: One for parties.

Speaker: I'm like, why you even have four CDs?

Speaker: We could buy the single aside from the album.

Speaker: Yes, on the side, and then have the double side with a bonus track.

Speaker: C.P.

Speaker: don't know nothing about that.

Speaker: C.P.

Speaker: don't know nothing about that.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: My parents told me all about that when I was growing up.

Speaker: Y'all can just go on Spotify and play music.

Speaker: I remember I had to buy cassette tape.

Speaker: But to Terrell's point, it is not the same.

Speaker: I think the standard by which we are judging current statistics and accomplishments should be set alone.

Speaker: It should be separate.

Speaker: I feel like it should only...

Speaker: really apply to when you're comparing eras to somebody like a Beyonce who withstood the physical era, the digital era, and the streaming era.

Speaker: Even Usher couldn't even... That's why I feel like Beyonce is not with these other people.

Speaker: No, she's not the last.

Speaker: Beyonce's different.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Beyonce is not the next Michael Jackson.

Speaker: She's the first Beyonce.

Speaker: She's the first Beyonce.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: And last.

Speaker: Yes, and last.

Speaker: Because nobody else don't be like Beyonce.

Speaker: Now you got people saying, who is the next Beyonce?

Speaker: Nobody.

Speaker: Who?

Speaker: It ain't more.

Speaker: It's not anybody, but I feel like she's the last of that breed of artist.

Speaker: They don't make them like that no more.

Speaker: My generation will not have a Beyonce.

Speaker: I promise.

Speaker: We won't.

Speaker: I believe that.

Speaker: Oh yeah, God.

Speaker: Who is your generation of artists?

Speaker: Who do we have?

Speaker: R&B?

Speaker: Your generation of artists is different than mine.

Speaker: And mine is obviously different than Tareos.

Speaker: See, my generation, they talk about Jacquees and all of them people.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Sorry.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Bye.

Speaker: That's my generation of people.

Speaker: That's the big thing of R&B.

Speaker: I don't listen to a lot of current day music.

Speaker: Realistically speaking, let's break this down real quick.

Speaker: Nobody talks about Jacquees.

Speaker: Jacquees talks about Jacquees.

Speaker: And people make fun of it.

Speaker: That's the only reason why he spoke about.

Speaker: Let's just keep that clear.

Speaker: Literally, because Jacquees takes older artists' music and remixes it.

Speaker: The reason that we even haven't... What the fuck?

Speaker: Oh, my battery died.

Speaker: I got Dark Cell, huh?

Speaker: You definitely did.

Speaker: No, my ring light.

Speaker: It was plugged into something else.

Speaker: A side battery.

Speaker: And that battery died.

Speaker: Oh, damn.

Speaker: I probably look better now because you can't barely see me now.

Speaker: I'm weak.

Speaker: But with John Weese's issue, John Weese's issue is that we're always laughing at him and not with him.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: And he's thinking we're laughing with him.

Speaker: We are not.

Speaker: We are laughing at him.

Speaker: He, he, he, he, he.

Speaker: Shut up.

Speaker: You don't sound that good.

Speaker: He's saying you can't give R&B, though.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's funny.

Speaker: But yeah, I wouldn't even, the fact that you said his name, so.

Speaker: Because look, y'all, I'm more of an old school person, so I don't listen to a lot of current, today's music.

Speaker: Oh damn, that came out in 82.

Speaker: How you know that?

Speaker: Yeah, because that's all we had in the household, okay?

Speaker: It was 80s, 90s, and 2000s music.

Speaker: We had a little bit of 2010s, but that's it.

Speaker: I'm trying to think.

Speaker: Because I would still say Taylor Swift might be yo, like the end of yo era, Donnie.

Speaker: Taylor Swift came out.

Speaker: Taylor Swift started hitting her stride when I was in junior high.

Speaker: Yeah, that's not me.

Speaker: I would say that she is kind of... But she's not a part of my era.

Speaker: My era started at Beyonce and Ashanti and Neil.

Speaker: Oh, baby.

Speaker: Well, that started when I was in high school.

Speaker: Baby, baby.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: My freshman year.

Speaker: Freshman or sophomore?

Speaker: Freshman year.

Speaker: Because I had Concrete Rose.

Speaker: I have that CD.

Speaker: Sophomore year...

Speaker: Oh, that was like one of her last albums.

Speaker: Not her last album, but the last album that actually did something.

Speaker: My freshman year?

Speaker: So it's the Ashantis, the Beyoncés, the Keisha Coles, the Kelly Rowlands.

Speaker: Sophomore year, my sophomore year.

Speaker: Oh, those were my Beyonce.

Speaker: I would still consider that my era since I was still in school.

Speaker: I feel like the Beyoncé...

Speaker: She started her era was clearly... I'm not talking about This Is Child's.

Speaker: But that's the thing.

Speaker: See, the difference between me and you is you're a dissing child kid.

Speaker: I'm a dissing child kid too, but I'm a Beyonce kid.

Speaker: But you got to think about her first album.

Speaker: I was literally like a freshman or a sophomore in high school.

Speaker: And that's fine.

Speaker: But she didn't really hit her peak until your era.

Speaker: I won't even say her peak, but she didn't make it really, really big until your era.

Speaker: Not until CT's era.

Speaker: Because after that, after... Y'all had the good Alicia Keys too, man.

Speaker: They, Destiny's Child did another album in like 04, 05.

Speaker: Yep, I had that too.

Speaker: Had those back to back.

Speaker: Wait, so when did Crazy in Love drop?

Speaker: Like when did you start doing that?

Speaker: 2002, 2003.

Speaker: So when I was born, okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I was telling people about my cousin.

Speaker: He's 14.

Speaker: I was playing this song by Maya.

Speaker: He said, is that new?

Speaker: I said, babe, this is Maya.

Speaker: And then it just reminded me when I was in high school when Crazy in Love came out, it was the same time My Love is Like Woe came out.

Speaker: And me and my friend Gilbert at the time would always argue because I was saying Beyonce's going to be the next big thing.

Speaker: I love Beyonce.

Speaker: He kept saying it was Maya.

Speaker: And I'm telling my cousin the story and he's like, oh, so who was bigger?

Speaker: I said, you know who Beyonce is?

Speaker: And he's like, yeah.

Speaker: I said, do you know who Maya is?

Speaker: He's like, no.

Speaker: Point previous.

Speaker: Well, that answers your question.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: And see, that would be another thing, too.

Speaker: That's why I would say your generation.

Speaker: You said Maya, I have no idea who that is.

Speaker: Wait, pause, pause, pause, pause.

Speaker: I need y'all to talk one at a time.

Speaker: Go ahead, CT.

Speaker: Yeah, whenever you was talking about that, I was like, I don't know who that person is.

Speaker: I know who Beyonce is.

Speaker: You don't know who Maya is?

Speaker: You don't know who Maya is?

Speaker: I do not.

Speaker: You listen to all this old music and you don't know Maya.

Speaker: She never played in this household.

Speaker: That's one I'm about to look her up at the end of this.

Speaker: Okay, so you know this, the Nickelodeon, or not Nickelodeon, the Rugrats song.

Speaker: Take you there, I want to be there.

Speaker: Yeah, I know that.

Speaker: She's the girl singing in that song.

Speaker: Oh, her.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I will also count Pink as a part of my generation, too.

Speaker: Oh, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker: She made that song, K-Sody X?

Speaker: That's part of my generation.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: When did my generation end?

Speaker: No, no.

Speaker: So it's not, I'm not doing it by end.

Speaker: I'm doing it by people who you saw, who you got to grow with.

Speaker: You didn't get to really grow.

Speaker: Beyonce's not your first.

Speaker: It's not the first big superstar of your generation.

Speaker: Because you had other people before that.

Speaker: I definitely grew with her.

Speaker: I would say you grew with her.

Speaker: Because you've got to think about it.

Speaker: Because you're younger than her, obviously.

Speaker: So I'm saying you grew with her.

Speaker: No, but what I'm saying is when she started, Destiny's Child, she started her career in 1998.

Speaker: And to today, we grew up together.

Speaker: Like, I was in elementary when she started.

Speaker: Yeah, so I would say you started with Destiny's Child.

Speaker: You didn't start with Beyoncé.

Speaker: You saw Beyoncé come.

Speaker: I started with Beyoncé.

Speaker: But you got to think about it.

Speaker: But you got to think about it.

Speaker: Technically, I did start with Beyoncé.

Speaker: Because who was singing in them Destiny's Child records?

Speaker: But you started with Destiny's Child.

Speaker: You started with Destiny's Child.

Speaker: We're not going to be messy, Terrell.

Speaker: And you know Destiny's Child is my favorite group, but let's be honest.

Speaker: Because really, the other girls didn't start singing until Destiny fulfilled.

Speaker: No, the other girls weren't even in the group.

Speaker: Like it's in your luggage.

Speaker: They weren't even in the group.

Speaker: Michelle carried the bridges.

Speaker: Because she was the only one that could.

Speaker: The others could not.

Speaker: Pause.

Speaker: Call Farrah.

Speaker: No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker: Because Farrah isn't even an original member.

Speaker: I'm talking about Latoya and Latavia.

Speaker: And Latoya sing down.

Speaker: They all sing down.

Speaker: Latavia does not sing down.

Speaker: She sings low.

Speaker: Which is down enough for me.

Speaker: But Latoya... And I want to say this.

Speaker: I'm going on record to say this.

Speaker: Because Latoya was the prettiest in the group.

Speaker: And she had the most personality.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: If Latoya would have had Kelly's parts in the group... Because, you know, every fourth record, they gave Kelly a little shimmy shimmy on a record.

Speaker: If Latoya would have had Kelly's parts, I feel that Latoya might have outshined Beyonce.

Speaker: Oh, wow.

Speaker: Granted...

Speaker: Beyonce can sing and dance, but back then we didn't know that.

Speaker: Beyonce can dance.

Speaker: Beyonce and Desi Child is not the Beyonce that we know today.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: But I feel like the work ethic is the same, and I think Latoya herself has said that she... No, no, she's gone on record saying that her work ethic is not the same, and I don't want to get no Beyonce hate right now, but I'm going to say this.

Speaker: Beyonce don't write her music.

Speaker: There's been countless producers and songwriters that have said...

Speaker: that when Beyonce claims to have written songs and have said that she didn't write this record, the whole bootylicious song, she said that she came out and wrote that record and the producer said that was my concept.

Speaker: I wrote the record or whatever.

Speaker: And I pitched it to them.

Speaker: But, and then I called Matthew knows when Beyonce was talking about it.

Speaker: And he said that this is not a fight that you want to fight, you know?

Speaker: So to say that she has the most work ethic, I feel like,

Speaker: These girls are smart.

Speaker: And they're not going to go against Beyonce.

Speaker: I feel like they're smart to not go against Beyonce.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: I feel like my work ethic comes in more than just writing, but just because it adds just a focus.

Speaker: But a lot of things.

Speaker: You got to think about a lot of other factors, too, but I'm not going to talk about it on this podcast anymore.

Speaker: We're going to get to that because this is a wrestling podcast.

Speaker: We started talking about pop culture.

Speaker: And we went right into music.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: We've been talking about music for a good 10 minutes, y'all.

Speaker: No, it's probably been 15, 20, but... Yeah, at least since we were in the 40-minute range.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: Because that's a whole other podcast.

Speaker: We can get into that, but that's a different concept.

Speaker: Yeah, I have my own podcast.

Speaker: We talk about music over there.

Speaker: Yes, I do too online.

Speaker: Talk online.

Speaker: Yes, you still can have us for interviews.

Speaker: Yes, I do.

Speaker: I was going to talk to you guys about doing that this week.

Speaker: Sure he was.

Speaker: Anyways, speaking of music, we had another music, I don't know if it's superstar or just regular star, make their pro wrestling debut, Sexy Red.

Speaker: Get it sexy.

Speaker: I love the transition.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I see you transition.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: You ate that up, didn't you?

Speaker: But how do we feel?

Speaker: Because I feel like, honestly, this is so good.

Speaker: I feel like when you put hip hop and WWE together, you can't lose.

Speaker: How we have, you got to think about it.

Speaker: We had Sexy Red, Jordan Grace, and Ethan Page all on the same fucking Avid episode.

Speaker: Crazy.

Speaker: And did you see Shawn Michaels, he changed his picture with him in a chef hat?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: He said, I eat too.

Speaker: He was cooking.

Speaker: He was cooking.

Speaker: He was cooking.

Speaker: He was watching us.

Speaker: I'm telling you, man.

Speaker: He was cooking with the grease.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: He was.

Speaker: Did y'all notice that Shawn Michaels got a little bit of melon in him?

Speaker: Shawn Michaels been for the blacks.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: He's been for the colors.

Speaker: He's for the culture.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: Like, literally, NXT is very much for the Negroes.

Speaker: And you know this, too?

Speaker: Because when you look in the audience, you know the cameras always go to the, what do you call it?

Speaker: I don't even know what side of it.

Speaker: If we're facing the ramp, the camera's always on the right-hand side.

Speaker: You always see the wrestlers.

Speaker: Hard cam.

Speaker: Hard cam.

Speaker: Yes, you see the audience on the right-hand side.

Speaker: And then the middle front of that, you always see black people.

Speaker: Granted, it is in Florida.

Speaker: Because wrestling is for the who?

Speaker: The niggas.

Speaker: Just saying.

Speaker: I cannot wait, y'all.

Speaker: This is for the niggas.

Speaker: Strictly for the niggas.

Speaker: Well, not strictly.

Speaker: The real ones, okay?

Speaker: The real ones.

Speaker: Not strictly, but y'all get it.

Speaker: Y'all get it.

Speaker: Because we're inclusive.

Speaker: Yes, but...

Speaker: Even just the women's six-man tag, five of the six women have black in them.

Speaker: And we'd love to see it.

Speaker: I'm not complaining.

Speaker: He knows what I like.

Speaker: He knows what I like.

Speaker: Um...

Speaker: it's just, it's getting very, I just didn't expect Sexy Red to come out there and do a splits and twerk.

Speaker: Me either.

Speaker: Hands on your knees.

Speaker: And we're shaking in the ring.

Speaker: I said, when did I get up now?

Speaker: We literally, and I put this in the chat one day, to think about how

Speaker: Black representation was in the beginning of NXT, or not the beginning, but in the heyday of NXT, the golden age, when they were calling Sasha Ratchet.

Speaker: They were calling Bianca Ghetto.

Speaker: You know, people were calling- They were calling Naomi a nigger.

Speaker: A monkey.

Speaker: Yeah, and a nigger.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: And so now we've made it to a point- Couldn't believe it.

Speaker: To where somebody like Sexy Red can come to a pro wrestling event and be embraced.

Speaker: And Sexy Red is a rat.

Speaker: And you know what's crazy?

Speaker: all the controversy that Sexy Rez had, her sex tape just came out not even that long ago.

Speaker: Not that long ago.

Speaker: And they still booked her?

Speaker: That shows...

Speaker: A lot.

Speaker: Where's Meg?

Speaker: That's who I need next.

Speaker: Where's Cardi?

Speaker: Because I know she loves wrestling.

Speaker: She loves wrestling.

Speaker: And so I was on the fence.

Speaker: I said, is this a real thing?

Speaker: Me too.

Speaker: I thought it was fake.

Speaker: Is Cardi B, I mean not Cardi B, is Sexy Red, does she really like wrestling or did they just pay her to come on there?

Speaker: But when she was in the car singing the Shawn Michaels theme song, I said, oh, this bitch knows.

Speaker: And I need her to remake it because I need that song to say, Sexy Red.

Speaker: I need that.

Speaker: I thought she made a remix of it.

Speaker: No, but she needs to make a remix of when the... No, she has.

Speaker: I don't think so.

Speaker: If she has, I ain't heard it.

Speaker: I heard the remix and it's not as good as... Really?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Send it to us.

Speaker: Yeah, do send it.

Speaker: I'm going to send it to y'all.

Speaker: Because it was AI?

Speaker: It was not AI.

Speaker: She sung it and that's how... Because I remember somebody on Twitter reposted it and Shawn Michaels has seen it and that's how everything got in motion for her to be booked on NXT.

Speaker: Because she had sung his theme song.

Speaker: I thought it was because of her tweeting about Trick Williams.

Speaker: Well, yeah, that too, but it was also she had remixed his song.

Speaker: How did nobody else hear it?

Speaker: I'm going to send this to y'all.

Speaker: And it was not AI because I had looked it up.

Speaker: I was like, is this a real song?

Speaker: So is it on her album?

Speaker: Is it on her album that just came out?

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I don't keep up with her albums or nothing, but I just keep up with her songs that trend on social media.

Speaker: Let me see.

Speaker: I don't know if I believe this.

Speaker: I'm going to say this to y'all.

Speaker: Go ahead.

Speaker: I feel like WWE is gearing up to host another Rolling Out event.

Speaker: Oh, they did do that, huh?

Speaker: And it flopped terribly.

Speaker: Oh, God.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: Mays was there because Megan Bianca.

Speaker: Yeah, Megan Bianca was there.

Speaker: They hosted that?

Speaker: They didn't host it, but it was a partnership.

Speaker: They had a show there at the event.

Speaker: They booked the event.

Speaker: Oh, that's right.

Speaker: And it was during the Rollin' Out Festival.

Speaker: Yeah, because Y'all.

Speaker: There was a match.

Speaker: Yeah, the one I do.

Speaker: Did it flop?

Speaker: There were no crowd interaction.

Speaker: Quiet.

Speaker: But I think that also is because they just threw it in there.

Speaker: They didn't build it.

Speaker: They didn't build it, but also when you think about the hip-hop fan base and WWE fan base at that time, there weren't overlap.

Speaker: But you got to think about, Wale does something all the time.

Speaker: So if they would have partnered with Wale to host something and made it very pro-black, I think it could have worked.

Speaker: But Wale's thing is wrestling themed.

Speaker: It's not a hip-hop festival.

Speaker: That's definitely true.

Speaker: But I feel like they could have done something.

Speaker: They could have done something to make that more of a

Speaker: Because even though his thing is very much so WrestleMania theme and it's, I mean, wrestling theme, there, there, there's a way to be able to do that and it not flop.

Speaker: There's gotta be a way cause he does it.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: Every year.

Speaker: Only difference is he doesn't have matches.

Speaker: And the reason why, but if it did, it would still sell out.

Speaker: But the reason why is because it's pro-black.

Speaker: If he had matches, it would sell.

Speaker: It would sell.

Speaker: Because it's pro-black.

Speaker: And he uses that as his whole thing.

Speaker: And black people love to support other women.

Speaker: I mean, we love to tear each other down, too.

Speaker: But we love to support other black people because we're black.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: So I feel like if they would have pushed that narrative on it,

Speaker: this is a black thing.

Speaker: This is, you know, and, and then I feel like Bianca also is not the Bianca that we have now.

Speaker: She was just starting her, she was with her reign.

Speaker: So if it was, so if we get Bianca, Jade and trend to, you know, and then the Usos and Roman rank, like out of here.

Speaker: I feel like if they would have played their cards right in the beginning with Rolling Loud, that would have been their fan grab for the hip-hop fan base.

Speaker: Even if they would have had fucking John Cena... To be honest.

Speaker: To be honest.

Speaker: Word like.

Speaker: It's the basic thunk of nomics.

Speaker: I mean, the guy could rap.

Speaker: He had to rap.

Speaker: Wasn't Jeff Hardy still with the... Had Jeff Hardy already left?

Speaker: No, he was still there.

Speaker: He was still employed.

Speaker: Black people love Jeff Hardy when he's high and sober.

Speaker: He was high somewhere.

Speaker: Black's for Jeff, okay.

Speaker: Blacks for Jeff.

Speaker: Was he still there?

Speaker: What year was that?

Speaker: That was 2018 or 2019.

Speaker: Before the pandemic happened.

Speaker: Was it before the pandemic?

Speaker: Was it before Megan got shot?

Speaker: Yeah, it was before Megan got shot because Tory was still a thing back then.

Speaker: I remember.

Speaker: Let me look it up.

Speaker: When did Bianca win the belt?

Speaker: Which time?

Speaker: The first one?

Speaker: The one with her and Sasha.

Speaker: Wasn't that her first one?

Speaker: That was 2020.

Speaker: She faced Sasha in 2021.

Speaker: That was when the crowds came back.

Speaker: Or at least at that wrestling.

Speaker: Was Sasha the first one?

Speaker: Because her and Sasha was when they had the... That was 2021 because I was friends with... So wasn't it after that?

Speaker: Hold on.

Speaker: Let me look up the WWE Rollins.

Speaker: The reason I'm asking is because if it was before that, then that really don't make no sense.

Speaker: It might have been 2021.

Speaker: Yeah, July 23rd, 2021.

Speaker: That's when the Rolling Loud happened.

Speaker: So I'm right.

Speaker: You're right.

Speaker: You're right.

Speaker: You're correct.

Speaker: So then that means Megan got shot around that time too then.

Speaker: Or did she get shot before that?

Speaker: Did she get shot like a month after in August?

Speaker: That means around that time.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I remember everybody was talking about it at school.

Speaker: I'm like, what happened?

Speaker: You got to think about that.

Speaker: There's a huge factor about why another reason why this role now didn't work out that well is because we were still in the height of the pandemic.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it was in Florida.

Speaker: I'll never forget.

Speaker: Yeah, that's a bit, that's like, yeah, we were, might've been outside, but there were still a lot of people that were still kind of afraid or they have family members that are older that they can't go back home to.

Speaker: None of those people were at that festival.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: My point exactly why that could be another reason why it wasn't, they didn't sell that great.

Speaker: It didn't sell because like,

Speaker: Number one, it was in Florida, which Florida was very controversial.

Speaker: Still is, by the way.

Speaker: But during the pandemic, Florida was very, very controversial about a lot of stuff they did.

Speaker: So a lot of people just was turned off by the fact that it was being held to begin with because we were just getting out of the pandemic.

Speaker: Well, we're trying to get back to normalcy, trying to.

Speaker: And people were suspicious.

Speaker: That's a huge factor because you still had to be six feet, even though people weren't.

Speaker: They weren't.

Speaker: They were very close.

Speaker: The Rolling Loud part of Rolling Loud was very packed.

Speaker: The WWE part of Rolling Loud was not very packed.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Did you get my point, though, about selling tickets?

Speaker: No, I didn't.

Speaker: Couldn't you just go... If you bought your tickets to Rolling Loud, you automatically were able to see that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But then you gotta think about things with Rolling Loud, too.

Speaker: Who was also performing at that time?

Speaker: I don't think they had any performances ongoing at the time of the

Speaker: wrestling.

Speaker: I don't, I feel like Rolling Loud, I've never been, but from my recollection with certain festivals like this, there's always someone performing.

Speaker: There's not a time where it stopped.

Speaker: But it wasn't like, well, I'm, like, I'm getting what you're saying, like, but like, during that time, hold on, go ahead.

Speaker: I'm just saying with festivals like that, there's always different stages.

Speaker: So people that are the people that are like, um, not really even famous or known.

Speaker: They're on like a smaller stage or whatever, but there's, there's always someone performing.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: Slots are thing.

Speaker: So, and if there isn't somebody performing, somebody big is going to be performing next.

Speaker: And you have to get from point A to point B.

Speaker: And you want to be ahead of it.

Speaker: So depending on who was performing after that whole WWE thing or who was performing at the same time of that WWE thing determines on if I want to go and watch this or if I'm going to go and watch this person.

Speaker: And from what I remember seeing, there were people there.

Speaker: Like, it was pretty packed for that show, for the wrestling part of it.

Speaker: It was just quiet as I don't know what.

Speaker: Because the people just didn't care.

Speaker: I'm assuming that was just people who had just layovers waiting on the next gig.

Speaker: But you got to also, the biggest also thing too is that like, depending on how the stage is set up, they might not have been able to see much.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I mean, Bianca Belair fought Carmella and Angela Dawkins fought Chad Gable.

Speaker: That's not big names.

Speaker: Oh, those were the matches?

Speaker: Yeah, those were the matches.

Speaker: And Chad Gable was not that big as he was now.

Speaker: Chad Gable fought who?

Speaker: Angelo Dawkins.

Speaker: That's the time period that we're in.

Speaker: Not even Montez?

Speaker: No, it wasn't Montez.

Speaker: It was Angelo Dawkins versus Chad Gable.

Speaker: I heard what you said.

Speaker: You might keep repeating.

Speaker: Bianca Bella versus Carmella.

Speaker: Who wants to see Bianca and Carmella?

Speaker: Calm down.

Speaker: We like Carmella here.

Speaker: Not too much on Miss Staten Island Princess.

Speaker: But three years ago, she was on my terrible list, so I wasn't a fan.

Speaker: I will say this.

Speaker: I'm not a huge, huge, huge fan of Carmella, but when they need somebody to do something, Carmella gonna step up to the plate.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: That's one thing I gotta give it to.

Speaker: She's a company woman.

Speaker: She got it.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: She'll take them losses quick, fast, and a hurry.

Speaker: She has.

Speaker: Not take them losses.

Speaker: I know it's true, right?

Speaker: Fucking done.

Speaker: Yeah, man.

Speaker: What a time, though.

Speaker: What a time.

Speaker: Very interesting time.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Speaking of Chad Gable, his contract is up after this week, so they better re-sign him or explain that shit.

Speaker: I feel like he's going to re-sign.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: He got family to feed.

Speaker: He's in the main, or one of the main storylines on Raw.

Speaker: It would be a travesty.

Speaker: If they let him walk.

Speaker: Yeah, because, like, it would make no sense.

Speaker: Like, why haven't they signed him already?

Speaker: If he goes to AEW, I would get it.

Speaker: And I'm very opposed to Tony signing.

Speaker: Who the hell is over these talent relations, dog?

Speaker: Because how you let three people contract expire at the same time?

Speaker: And not get in talks with them?

Speaker: Well, who said that they're not in talks?

Speaker: Seems like it to me.

Speaker: It might be a business model, too.

Speaker: Because, you know, beforehand, you could renew your contract whenever, pretty much.

Speaker: And then also, another thing is that, like,

Speaker: we're just privy to this information now.

Speaker: Before, we probably weren't privy to when this stuff happened.

Speaker: So we don't know how it really went.

Speaker: It could be exactly the same.

Speaker: We just don't even know.

Speaker: That's true.

Speaker: But I will say this, that Triple H needs to find out who the mole is because they letting too much shit slip.

Speaker: Too much.

Speaker: I wouldn't be surprised if they have working relationships with Sean Ross Saps and the other people.

Speaker: Or you know what also could be a thing?

Speaker: It might be on purpose.

Speaker: They're doing it just to get people talking.

Speaker: Just to get people talking.

Speaker: Just to generate buzz.

Speaker: I believe that.

Speaker: I mean, because they can keep a secret.

Speaker: At that point, they can be like, okay, the fans actually really like this person.

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: The fans don't want to care about this.

Speaker: You know?

Speaker: And they can probably use that in negotiations and be like, eh, we're going to give you this.

Speaker: You know?

Speaker: But what I do know, if Ricochet does not sign back with WWE, we got to make sure.

Speaker: We got to flood his thing every single day to make sure that we are his first interviewer.

Speaker: I still want to see him in AAA.

Speaker: I'm sorry.

Speaker: I want to see him in.

Speaker: Moving on.

Speaker: What's the next topic?

Speaker: Next topic.

Speaker: Oh, you got it.

Speaker: Oh, no.

Speaker: Go ahead, CT.

Speaker: So this past week, we had Will Ospreay and Swerve get announced for All In.

Speaker: They're having their championship match there.

Speaker: I missed AEW.

Speaker: I need to watch it.

Speaker: But that match is going to eat.

Speaker: I'm already knowing it's going to cook.

Speaker: Do y'all remember how you got on my ass for not watching NXT?

Speaker: I remember that.

Speaker: You weren't doing anything.

Speaker: I wasn't even at my house.

Speaker: I don't be at my house on Wednesdays.

Speaker: I'm confused.

Speaker: It comes on on Tuesdays.

Speaker: NXT's on Tuesdays.

Speaker: Oh, whatever.

Speaker: Whatever day they see.

Speaker: Then you ain't trying to get your lie right.

Speaker: Well, no, because Dynamite is on Wednesdays.

Speaker: I'm not at my house on Wednesdays either.

Speaker: Like the Fuse.

Speaker: But yeah, and Wednesdays... I literally wasn't home all week.

Speaker: This is my first day actually at home.

Speaker: Wednesdays this summer, I'm not going to be home because I'm going to Bible study.

Speaker: So...

Speaker: I catch AEW on Thursdays.

Speaker: Shout out to Jesus.

Speaker: Shout out to him.

Speaker: I got to go praise him.

Speaker: Thank you.

Speaker: I got a question for y'all.

Speaker: Do y'all think that Swerve is going to lose the belt at All In?

Speaker: Definitely.

Speaker: 100%.

Speaker: He should.

Speaker: You called him a coom last week.

Speaker: No, I didn't.

Speaker: You don't remember that?

Speaker: You basically called him a coom.

Speaker: You spelled it out.

Speaker: It was in the context clues, but if y'all spelled the word, that means y'all called him that.

Speaker: I didn't call him that.

Speaker: I ain't called him that at all.

Speaker: You technically did.

Speaker: Y'all read the word.

Speaker: If you ever listened to this podcast, you heard it here first.

Speaker: Donnie said it.

Speaker: So Donnie is the other liar on the podcast.

Speaker: Not just CT.

Speaker: I've been singing swears praises.

Speaker: I have.

Speaker: Yeah, you've been contradicting yourself since then.

Speaker: You have to.

Speaker: He's a great wrestler.

Speaker: I don't think he's contradicting.

Speaker: How's that contradictory?

Speaker: He said two things can be right at the same time.

Speaker: Yeah, because it can.

Speaker: It was there at the end of the podcast.

Speaker: You said it.

Speaker: I said two things can be right at the same time.

Speaker: That's on record.

Speaker: No, I said that.

Speaker: No, I did.

Speaker: And you can go back to the podcast.

Speaker: Oh, what episode was that?

Speaker: Whatever episode.

Speaker: The last one or the one before.

Speaker: Last week.

Speaker: I

Speaker: I find myself frequently saying, and actually I am one of the only people who actually watch the podcast back.

Speaker: I actually find myself saying.

Speaker: CT watches it.

Speaker: I share it to people.

Speaker: I find myself saying that two things can be true.

Speaker: Sharing it and watching it.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Those are different things.

Speaker: You have said that a couple times.

Speaker: I will admit that you have said that a few times.

Speaker: First off, I do watch it back because I listen to it.

Speaker: Sips tea.

Speaker: I listen to the podcast while I'm in the shower every night for like three days to watch the entire thing.

Speaker: It takes me about three days because I've been in shower for about 15-20 minutes.

Speaker: So I watched the podcast for three days.

Speaker: You don't even have that much body.

Speaker: I gotta make sure I am clean, Tarell.

Speaker: Don't get on me by my body, okay?

Speaker: This body is always clean and pristine every time it goes out this house.

Speaker: I know that's right, CT.

Speaker: You better tell him.

Speaker: Clean and pristine.

Speaker: I'll be like, man, we'd be so funny.

Speaker: He's not like one of those AEW fanboys.

Speaker: He's clean.

Speaker: Clean.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: You steady talking about the AEW fans.

Speaker: Could I be looking like they stink?

Speaker: I'm sorry.

Speaker: I've been to a TNA event, and I can tell you that some of them smell the same way.

Speaker: I can believe it.

Speaker: And if I went to an NWA event, I bet it would smell worse.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: I've been to a WWE and AEW event, and I can tell you guys now, the AEW fans smell worse than the WWE ones.

Speaker: And they say that the WWE ones are least educated.

Speaker: I don't believe that.

Speaker: At least they shower.

Speaker: You can be dumb, but at least you shower.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: They have sense enough to go wash under their armpits.

Speaker: And they don't wash their legs.

Speaker: And they don't see more kids.

Speaker: Apparently, somebody put out that they don't wash their legs.

Speaker: Why people don't wash their legs allegedly?

Speaker: Allegedly.

Speaker: I don't have to say allegedly.

Speaker: Because enough of them said that they don't do it for it not to be alleged.

Speaker: No, I know.

Speaker: You don't have to say allegedly.

Speaker: Wait, they said that they don't do what?

Speaker: Wash their legs.

Speaker: They don't wash their legs.

Speaker: You ain't seen the clips?

Speaker: Yeah, they don't.

Speaker: They say that the shower water or the bath water washes their legs for them.

Speaker: They don't scrub their legs.

Speaker: Some of them don't put lotion on either.

Speaker: They don't believe in lotion.

Speaker: Well, in their defense, they don't really need it because they don't really get ashy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, they are ashy, but you just can't see it because it blends in with their skin.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Depending on the skin, the shade of white.

Speaker: But yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, Osprey for champion, though.

Speaker: Yeah, no, definitely.

Speaker: And he needs to hold it for a while.

Speaker: He needs to hold it.

Speaker: He is the new ace of AEW.

Speaker: And I think at a time where you have an Okada, at a time where... I forgot he was there.

Speaker: Or somewhere.

Speaker: Jesus Christ.

Speaker: I will say, though, if Ricochet leaves, he's going to AEW, 100%.

Speaker: And he will be in the main title picture simply because Will Alsprey is going to request to fight him.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And even when they announced, he said, so Will O'spray said this stuff about Ricochet.

Speaker: The following week, we found out that his contract was up.

Speaker: And then Will O'spray posted a picture of him, them shaking hands or whatever in the ring.

Speaker: Like, so he wants to fight Ricochet again.

Speaker: Yeah, he do.

Speaker: Really bad.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I would even like to see Ricochet and Swerve again.

Speaker: I'm sorry.

Speaker: That's a good one.

Speaker: Swerve sucked in WWE.

Speaker: Why?

Speaker: He was pretty decent in NXT.

Speaker: Maybe it was the people he was fighting.

Speaker: He was good when he was Isaiah Swerve.

Speaker: Scott.

Speaker: Maybe it was the people he was fighting.

Speaker: Yeah, you got to remember, some wrestlers are not good with certain people.

Speaker: The only match I could really think about was him and Escobar, and I'm not a huge fan of his.

Speaker: Santo Escobar.

Speaker: No, it was one where, what's that black girl, that referee, her man, Leon Ruff?

Speaker: Leon Ruff?

Speaker: What happened to him?

Speaker: I thought he went to... I thought they released that one.

Speaker: He's been released, but... He wrestled somewhere and t hen he stopped wrestling for a little bit.

Speaker: Was it AEW?

Speaker: Was he doing AEW Dart?

Speaker: You know, nigga, everybody was doing AEW Dart.

Speaker: They was.

Speaker: They was.

Speaker: Maybe that's why they need all these damn belts.

Speaker: Because they got so many damn... But you don't need no more belts.

Speaker: You need less people.

Speaker: You need less belts, too.

Speaker: Let the belts mean something.

Speaker: Like y'all said, we're trio's champions!

Speaker: It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

Speaker: Unified trio's champions.

Speaker: Unified.

Speaker: It's the dumbest thing.

Speaker: I don't necessarily think that

Speaker: AEW, so I'll say this.

Speaker: I don't necessarily think that the championship is super, super done to have a trios championship.

Speaker: The issue that I have with that is that I feel like all of the trios champions or trios teams are so random.

Speaker: Like it'll be a tag team and then they grab some random person to be with them.

Speaker: Like the acclaim in Billy Gunn.

Speaker: Why are you not with your kids?

Speaker: Well, that's a storyline for that.

Speaker: Yeah, but that storyline's been going on for two years.

Speaker: I don't give a fuck no more.

Speaker: The storyline has run stale.

Speaker: Yes, I don't care.

Speaker: But shout out to Billy, though.

Speaker: How do y'all beef?

Speaker: This makes no sense.

Speaker: How do y'all beef?

Speaker: get together and everything's cool and then beef again.

Speaker: It just don't like, what is the really, and then sometimes they fight and they're in a storyline with somebody else, but they're still in this middle of this story.

Speaker: It just don't make no sense.

Speaker: It's just a headache.

Speaker: That's all.

Speaker: Why are you still wrestling?

Speaker: Shout out to Billy Gunn.

Speaker: He's still wrestling good.

Speaker: He's still wrestling good, but I feel like his matches don't.

Speaker: mean anything and i feel that oh you didn't know yes i did yes the reason why i say that is because he's sitting there with the acclaim like billy you're billy fucking gun from dx and you're running around with the acclaim talking about sizzling me daddy sizzling me like well he's also billy gun from nwo so

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: He was in NWO?

Speaker: Yeah, he was in NWO.

Speaker: New World Order, yeah.

Speaker: Oh, when it was in WWE.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: We don't count that.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I've seen the clip on YouTube.

Speaker: That was not NWO.

Speaker: I'm like, dang, Billy Gunn was in there.

Speaker: They had Shawn Michaels in there with the black and white.

Speaker: He came out with the black and white that time.

Speaker: I was like, oh, okay.

Speaker: Billy Gunn been in everything.

Speaker: I remember when he was in TNA.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Yeah, Billy Gunn been everywhere.

Speaker: He literally like another thing.

Speaker: He wrestled everywhere.

Speaker: But I feel... It's actually really sad.

Speaker: He's had a longevity career, and he's done great for himself.

Speaker: But Billy Gunn is honestly one of the better wrestlers.

Speaker: He's actually a really good wrestler.

Speaker: And for him to never really be anywhere near the top title pitcher, it's kind of a travesty.

Speaker: He's never going to be there now.

Speaker: I don't think it's that bad.

Speaker: I just think he's a wrestler's wrestler.

Speaker: I think he just fit his role.

Speaker: He played his role perfectly.

Speaker: He made his money.

Speaker: He's still making his money.

Speaker: He's having fun.

Speaker: Just think.

Speaker: We would actually never even see him in AEW if he didn't get fired for weed.

Speaker: That's kind of crazy.

Speaker: Was it weed or was it steroids?

Speaker: I thought it was steroids.

Speaker: Or both.

Speaker: He was just a trainer.

Speaker: Yeah, they didn't let him wrestle.

Speaker: I don't think he was trying to wrestle.

Speaker: I think he's one of the best.

Speaker: He's probably the best legacy wrestler that AEW has signed.

Speaker: Yeah, but I feel like he needs to be in the picture like what Christian is doing.

Speaker: He's a better wrestler than Christian to me.

Speaker: I don't think about that.

Speaker: You got to think about it.

Speaker: You got to think about this.

Speaker: He's been wrestling longer than Christian.

Speaker: So that's okay again.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: That's a whip for me, brother.

Speaker: But he was in a tag team before, and that gimmick did not work when they were like cowboys or whatever the hell that was.

Speaker: Smoking guns.

Speaker: Yeah, the smoking guns.

Speaker: And then he was in DX.

Speaker: And then when he went to the one and only, I felt like he actually

Speaker: can really go in the ring he can character work is cool cool or whatever i feel like christian's character work is cool i like it i think he's doing some of his better work but i rather see a billy gunn match than a christian match because even though that christian match with it depending on who they're fighting and and you're saying this you're making that face because of the character work he's doing i feel like billy gunn is a joke at an aw

Speaker: His whole career has technically been a joke, so I don't see why his AEW run is any different.

Speaker: Yes, but even with DX, they were a joke, but we still think it's serious.

Speaker: We were able to buy into it.

Speaker: Yeah, they got over it.

Speaker: I don't think anybody bought into the Billy Gunn and Witch Call part of...

Speaker: DS.

Speaker: I think they just enjoyed him from who he was.

Speaker: We didn't.

Speaker: Roald Dog, Jesse James.

Speaker: There were like multiple tag team champions.

Speaker: I think that's just because people enjoyed him.

Speaker: But when you think about DX, people not thinking of Billy Gunn and Roald Dog, Jesse James.

Speaker: They think about... Triple H and Shawn Michaels.

Speaker: They think about Chyna when they think about him.

Speaker: Chyna, Shawn Michaels, and Triple H. You know what we don't think about when we think about DX?

Speaker: Roald Dog.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because why was he in NWO2, the original NWO, though?

Speaker: Make some noise!

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: His song was great, though.

Speaker: He was literally one of the first guys in the original NWO.

Speaker: He was the best wrestler outside of Shawn Michael.

Speaker: He was the best wrestler in the years.

Speaker: Yeah, but... Let me tell you something.

Speaker: Yeah, he really was, though.

Speaker: Xbox theme song was good as hell, though.

Speaker: It was.

Speaker: I still play it.

Speaker: I don't even remember it.

Speaker: I was an Xbox fan.

Speaker: I was an Xbox fan.

Speaker: I don't remember it.

Speaker: You can tell us what to do!

Speaker: The remix was great.

Speaker: I loved it.

Speaker: Oh, his theme song was the remix?

Speaker: It wasn't... His thing song was basically DX.

Speaker: I even fought with him when he was a one, two, three kid.

Speaker: Loved it.

Speaker: I think that might have been my best era for him.

Speaker: My favorite era of him.

Speaker: Because that man was gone.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Again, speaking big guys too.

Speaker: Razor Ramon or... We're gonna kick the ass.

Speaker: Yeah, but he was one of the, like, I want to say original members of NWO, but, like, he was one of the first ones after the... One of the first ones they brought in.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then one of the first couple members, first, one of the first members of DX as well, like, he was literally at the height of both of their, around the same time.

Speaker: But for him to really not, see what drugs do to you?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then you got to pull porno out with China.

Speaker: It messes you up, man.

Speaker: I'm gonna go watch.

Speaker: You didn't know about that?

Speaker: No, I feel like I knew.

Speaker: I just feel like that was something that I've heard and I just never really, it never stuck.

Speaker: It always was like one ear out the other.

Speaker: You said it's stuck now.

Speaker: It's stuck now.

Speaker: It's stuck in their teeth.

Speaker: The last time I heard that, but when you said that, I'm like, oh yeah, I have heard that.

Speaker: Because I was about to say, what?

Speaker: And then I was about to say, oh yeah.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: I have one tonight.

Speaker: I'm fucking dumb.

Speaker: Let me know what you think.

Speaker: Well, so you're at home when you graduated over a year, over two years ago at this point, huh, Donnie?

Speaker: You been in school two years?

Speaker: I work for the educational system.

Speaker: I always have homework.

Speaker: Speaking of the educational system, I'll talk about that afterwards.

Speaker: Let me not talk about that right now.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: But was there anything else that we could just speak on that we wrote down?

Speaker: Did we miss anything else?

Speaker: No, I think that pretty much was...

Speaker: all of it.

Speaker: I'm just kind of excited for it.

Speaker: Oh, that was a bad stuff.

Speaker: What the fuck was that?

Speaker: Sorry, I had to sneeze.

Speaker: That was a lot of snot, CT.

Speaker: Yeah, I apologize, y'all.

Speaker: I didn't think you were going to get caught because I guess I was doing it too close to my mic.

Speaker: You was all up on your mic when you did it.

Speaker: I was trying to back up, but it didn't work.

Speaker: You tried to back up by moving forward.

Speaker: Try to move the chair back to real.

Speaker: Just go on with the outro.

Speaker: Yeah, but you moved the chair back, you went like that.

Speaker: Go on with the outro.

Speaker: No, wait, pause.

Speaker: I want to say one thing, though.

Speaker: I'm really happy that they're giving Piper Nivens a push.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: I'm really happy about that.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yeah, because she's actually good.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: She's not winning the belt from Bayley, but I still want to know.

Speaker: They need to give Naomi this money in the bank match.

Speaker: Or championship.

Speaker: She has to win it.

Speaker: Just give my sister a belt.

Speaker: Make Naomi great again.

Speaker: But I did hear that they're in talks about bringing a mid-card title to the main roster for the women.

Speaker: Women's IC title, baby.

Speaker: I'd love to see her as an inaugural champion.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: I mean, because she's honestly one of the first to do a lot of things.

Speaker: And she should have been the first black.

Speaker: Oh, well, no, never mind.

Speaker: That was Foxy.

Speaker: She should have been one of the black Divas champions.

Speaker: Yes, she should have.

Speaker: Should have.

Speaker: They did her.

Speaker: But she's the first SmackDown Women's Champion.

Speaker: SmackDown has always been for the black people.

Speaker: Yeah, it has.

Speaker: To this day!

Speaker: Was she two times SmackDown Women's Champion?

Speaker: Yeah, two times SmackDown Women's Champion.

Speaker: And that's why I noticed that... And then when she won the tag team championship, she was on SmackDown.

Speaker: In the mid-2000s, SmackDown was the better show.

Speaker: I wonder why, because they had a black GM running in it, too.

Speaker: It's a better show now.

Speaker: What are you talking about?

Speaker: Low-key, SmackDown has always been a better show.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, we had The Rock.

Speaker: We had John Cena.

Speaker: Why is it always been the better show when Raw is supposed to be the makeshift show of WWE?

Speaker: Well, because it was more of the wrestling show.

Speaker: That's why.

Speaker: And even when SmackDown was like the Raw recap for like five years or whatever, it still was kind of the better show than Raw.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: How I describe it is SmackDown is your wrestling heavy show.

Speaker: Raw is your drama.

Speaker: But they're giving drama on SmackDown too.

Speaker: Yeah, because they're not trying to divide it up and make it 50-50.

Speaker: But back then, that's how it was.

Speaker: SmackDown 6, that was the wrestling heavy show.

Speaker: I went... Over the course of three years, SmackDown has been given the best drama with fucking Roman Reigns and the Bloodline.

Speaker: So what are you really talking about?

Speaker: I'm saying, yeah, these days it's different, but I'm talking about Rootless Aggression Era.

Speaker: SmackDown has always been for the... SmackDown has always been the work rate show.

Speaker: Yeah, the work rate show.

Speaker: And then Raw was all about your big stories and drama.

Speaker: And your characters.

Speaker: It's not like that no more.

Speaker: Because they don't look at much characters over there.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Now, today is flip-flopped.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: They only have Sammy.

Speaker: That's it.

Speaker: They only have Sammy Zane.

Speaker: I want that boat off of him as soon as possible.

Speaker: ASAP.

Speaker: Yesterday.

Speaker: He can go with Tegan Nox.

Speaker: Should have been two weeks ago.

Speaker: He can go somewhere with Tegan Nox.

Speaker: Yeah, that one too.

Speaker: She can get off my TV.

Speaker: UPS is hiring.

Speaker: McDonald's is higher in California too and they make it $20 an hour.

Speaker: Realistically speaking, if we're talking about somebody going and doing stuff at other promotions, I could see Sami Zayn doing that.

Speaker: And I would actually watch it.

Speaker: El Generico.

Speaker: Ole, ole, ole, ole.

Speaker: Ole.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Do it.

Speaker: Please.

Speaker: I need that again.

Speaker: I don't think he'd do it as El Generico.

Speaker: El Generico had a certain youth and a certain quickness and a certain good... Donnie.

Speaker: Come on, man.

Speaker: That Sammy currently does not have.

Speaker: He could get it back.

Speaker: Give him a few months of training.

Speaker: You can't get any younger.

Speaker: You can't get no younger.

Speaker: And with age, sometimes you lose your speed and your stamina.

Speaker: One more run, that's all I want.

Speaker: NXT, Sammy, was the closest we're going to get in WWE, or the closest we're going to get to a post-El Generico comparison to El Generico.

Speaker: And Sammy is skinny, but he got a little belly, a gut that'd be hanging over his pants.

Speaker: Y'all noticed that?

Speaker: I noticed that.

Speaker: Ain't nothing wrong with that.

Speaker: Don't he got kids now?

Speaker: Yeah, he got kids.

Speaker: He didn't carry him.

Speaker: That makes sense.

Speaker: He didn't carry him.

Speaker: No, he got that dad body.

Speaker: Oh, before we go, let's speak about this because we've been saying it for a minute now that Austin Theory is about to turn face.

Speaker: Did you see what's the guy you don't like?

Speaker: Donnie?

Speaker: Which one?

Speaker: I forget his name every week.

Speaker: He don't like a lot of people.

Speaker: Which one?

Speaker: I'm not talking about Garganos.

Speaker: I'm talking about his... Waller.

Speaker: Thank you.

Speaker: I don't like him neither.

Speaker: God, I hate him.

Speaker: I cannot stand Grayson Waller.

Speaker: I like Grayson Waller.

Speaker: Did you see how he said that he made Austin Theory relevant again?

Speaker: Yeah, he said he gave him the Grayson Waller word.

Speaker: Rub made him relevant again.

Speaker: And he heard it.

Speaker: But like, this has been a slow build between them.

Speaker: Like we've been seeing it over the course of the, you know, and I've been saying it since last year that Austin Theory needs to turn face because the skill run is born as fuck.

Speaker: You said every other podcast.

Speaker: Even when he was with The Way and The Way was kind of like a heel in a sense.

Speaker: He was.

Speaker: He was still boring.

Speaker: He was still.

Speaker: What?

Speaker: He was still boring.

Speaker: He was dumb and boring.

Speaker: But what I'm saying is that he was still kind of a face being that he played the dumb character.

Speaker: He was a dumb dog.

Speaker: You can't be a heel and be dumb.

Speaker: I cannot stand dumb heels.

Speaker: What that man was that Luke Gallows used to play?

Speaker: Festus.

Speaker: He was a heel and a dumb...

Speaker: I don't even remember that.

Speaker: You remember Jesse and Fences?

Speaker: Biscuits and Gravy!

Speaker: I don't.

Speaker: I don't remember it.

Speaker: That was when I first started watching.

Speaker: You remember that man?

Speaker: That man, he used to be like this.

Speaker: That might have been the time when I wasn't watching.

Speaker: And then Torell started watching for a little while.

Speaker: Torell said he started watching at the 07.

Speaker: For a little while.

Speaker: That had to be around 07.

Speaker: No, it was 08, 09.

Speaker: I remember.

Speaker: Biscuits and Gravy.

Speaker: I remember the song.

Speaker: It played in SmackDown vs. Raw 2009.

Speaker: I'll never forget.

Speaker: I was like, why does he look like that?

Speaker: He looks so smelly.

Speaker: That's why when Lil Gallows came back, I was like, that man looked like somebody.

Speaker: I said, he looked just like Festus.

Speaker: And I went back, I said, that's the same person.

Speaker: I said, y'all, that's Festus.

Speaker: That's Festus.

Speaker: My uncle said, man, he lost some weight.

Speaker: He gained some sense.

Speaker: He gained a couple more brain cells.

Speaker: He did.

Speaker: He gained a couple more brain cells.

Speaker: He was doing two sweets and everything.

Speaker: I said, this is not the same person that was here in 09.

Speaker: Mm-mm.

Speaker: Shout out to Festus and Jessie.

Speaker: Shout out to them.

Speaker: I wonder how Jessie doing.

Speaker: And what was the girl that used to be with them?

Speaker: I think her name is... I can't call her name.

Speaker: I know her face, though.

Speaker: I cannot call her name.

Speaker: Shout out to ODB.

Speaker: That wasn't her, but she just came across my mind.

Speaker: Where is she at?

Speaker: Her name was ODB with Rasmus somewhere not too long ago.

Speaker: Let me see.

Speaker: That was the manager.

Speaker: Let me see.

Speaker: Anyways, I'm just glad that they're building it slowly but steadily.

Speaker: But wrap it up, though.

Speaker: Well, they got to lose the belts first.

Speaker: Should have never won it.

Speaker: Oh, no, Donnie, you're right.

Speaker: Jesse and Festus debuted October 5th, 2007.

Speaker: But they lasted until 2009, though.

Speaker: I know, I'm right.

Speaker: Then Festus got released after that.

Speaker: He was peaced out.

Speaker: It doesn't even matter if you're right or wrong.

Speaker: I wasn't watching it.

Speaker: Yeah, Terrell was long gone.

Speaker: He left in 2007.

Speaker: You watching wasn't the point.

Speaker: The point was, I don't know who the fuck you're talking about.

Speaker: No, the point that we argue with CT.

Speaker: Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker: When did you start watching again, Terrell?

Speaker: I don't know how long I wasn't watching, to be honest.

Speaker: 2012?

Speaker: Because I would catch certain things here and there.

Speaker: But I didn't really start watching until, I want to say, maybe a year or two before Ricochet signed back.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Or signed.

Speaker: I shouldn't say back.

Speaker: When did Ricochet sign to WWE?

Speaker: So you missed the Four Horsewomen NXT?

Speaker: Like I said, I was watching certain things here and there.

Speaker: So I've seen that.

Speaker: I remember when they first debuted, I watched that.

Speaker: I've seen matches with them.

Speaker: I watched stuff here and there and I'd see stuff online, but I wasn't watching faithfully.

Speaker: NXT?

Speaker: Wasn't watching then.

Speaker: Yeah, because you have to have the network to watch.

Speaker: I remember when... I did have the network.

Speaker: I just wasn't watching.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I remember, like, I was watching NXT when Naomi was there, when they were doing all that stuff.

Speaker: But that wasn't the NXT that we don't have.

Speaker: That one don't count.

Speaker: Everybody was so hot.

Speaker: It was so hot NXT, but it's not the NXT that we don't know.

Speaker: So you've been fully watching Faithfully since 2018.

Speaker: So it's been the last... No, before that.

Speaker: I didn't say when he debuted.

Speaker: I said a couple years before he debuted.

Speaker: So 16. 16.

Speaker: When did AJ Styles debut?

Speaker: 2016.

Speaker: So I was watching before that then, so probably 2015.

Speaker: So 20-0, so whenever they was doing Brock Lesnar was championing, taking the title hostage those days.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah, I remember.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: There was a time where I was only watching NXT and I wasn't watching the main roster.

Speaker: That was 2017 to 2018.

Speaker: I didn't watch.

Speaker: No, I don't.

Speaker: I stopped watching Raw and SmackDown because it was so bad.

Speaker: Pause, CT.

Speaker: What?

Speaker: Twitter?

Speaker: So thank you guys for joining.

Speaker: Just kidding.

Speaker: Hold on.

Speaker: Hold on.

Speaker: Yeah, I missed what the hell he said.

Speaker: What the hell he said?

Speaker: Hold on.

Speaker: He tried to say something smart.

Speaker: I tried to shade him.

Speaker: Tried.

Speaker: Shading over here.

Speaker: I just said that he barely watches NXT now.

Speaker: Damn.

Speaker: I watch it when I can.

Speaker: He clowning on you tonight.

Speaker: So my part was proven.

Speaker: Clowning on you.

Speaker: Well, yeah, he's been like kind of at my throat.

Speaker: He's been very argumentative this whole time.

Speaker: This whole episode.

Speaker: He's been very combative.

Speaker: Very much extreme.

Speaker: He's been very combative.

Speaker: This whole...

Speaker: whole episode with me and I don't know the beef.

Speaker: I don't know the beef.

Speaker: There's definitely no beef.

Speaker: I don't know the beef.

Speaker: No chicken, no steak, nothing.

Speaker: No beef.

Speaker: I've been a vegetarian this whole time and here he comes bringing beef.

Speaker: Not even.

Speaker: He breaking it on the grill, I see.

Speaker: He's simmering.

Speaker: I just don't know.

Speaker: So whose side are you on now, CT?

Speaker: No, listen.

Speaker: The fence.

Speaker: I'm listening to y'all debate, okay?

Speaker: What's she saying?

Speaker: I don't ride the fence.

Speaker: I am the fence.

Speaker: I don't have a side.

Speaker: I'm independent, okay?

Speaker: I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: Independent.

Speaker: S-P-N-C is how you meant to spell it.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: You get the picture.

Speaker: Independent.

Speaker: He agreed.

Speaker: Bless his heart.

Speaker: He agreed.

Speaker: I just understood what he just said.

Speaker: God damn it.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: Wrap it up, Terrell.

Speaker: Wrap it up.

Speaker: Bless his heart.

Speaker: Let's call it a week, folks.

Speaker: He said F. He said F, and you thought that you spelled independent wrong.

Speaker: First, you thought you spelled independent wrong.

Speaker: That's one.

Speaker: He said F, and you didn't realize that there wasn't an F in independent.

Speaker: So you said yes.

Speaker: I caught it.

Speaker: I just caught it.

Speaker: My bad.

Speaker: I did spell it right.

Speaker: Because how did I get the song wrong?

Speaker: And I sung it faithfully in elementary and high school.

Speaker: I mean, in middle school.

Speaker: I thought you spelled independent right.

Speaker: You just spelled it wrong.

Speaker: What did I miss?

Speaker: The F-E-N-C-E part.

Speaker: No, I didn't.

Speaker: I said all that.

Speaker: I was singing the hook.

Speaker: Okay?

Speaker: Terrell, wrap it up.

Speaker: Okay?

Speaker: We were talking about this all off camera.

Speaker: Wrap it up.

Speaker: You're not embarrassing me this week.

Speaker: Let's go.

Speaker: You get embarrassed every week.

Speaker: We don't have to embarrass you, CT.

Speaker: Donnie, he said you're not embarrassing me this week.

Speaker: We have never once embarrassed you.

Speaker: You've done it.

Speaker: You've done it.

Speaker: And you've already done it.

Speaker: You've already done it today.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: I get sent the memes of me saying the things to my fans.

Speaker: People sent you memes?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: My fans mean me on here.

Speaker: It's ridiculous.

Speaker: All three of our fans.

Speaker: We love that.

Speaker: No, the people that watch me, they watch the podcast and they send me clips of myself.

Speaker: I'm like... They're not watching just you.

Speaker: Let's just make that very clear.

Speaker: Let's get that very clear.

Speaker: They're watching all of us.

Speaker: If you got fans, we got fans.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: I get sent things.

Speaker: Anyways, thank y'all.

Speaker: Follow us on all of our social media platforms.

Speaker: If you don't know where to find it, just look down because I ain't repeating that shit this week.

Speaker: That's all right.

Speaker: Follow Arlene Trigger.

Speaker: Just look down.

Speaker: The link tree that Donnie made for us.

Speaker: He's awesome.

Speaker: I don't even have one myself.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: You can follow me on my...

Speaker: I guess I'll just get one of my... Bye, y'all.

Speaker: I'm just kidding.

Speaker: Go ahead, CT.

Speaker: If you want to promote yourself, go follow him on all of his 30 accounts.

Speaker: You know, there's only another 30 minutes of details.

Speaker: I have six Twitter accounts and one Instagram and one Facebook account.

Speaker: Well, that's two Facebook.

Speaker: Well, follow me on Twitter at CTP underscore 2025.

Speaker: That's my Twitter.

Speaker: Again, if you are watching this, all you have to do is scroll.

Speaker: Up or down.

Speaker: Whatever it looks like.

Speaker: And the links are there so you can follow us.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Oh.

Speaker: We love y'all.

Speaker: We will talk to y'all soon.

Speaker: Peace.

Speaker: Until next time.

Speaker: See you next week.

Speaker: Against the Rose Wrestling Podcast.