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Lost In The Spider-Man: Brand New Day
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A historic event, our first ever 4th installment of a Spider-Man film, find out what we thought of the latest entry in the MCU!
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Introduction & Overview of 'Spider-Man: Brand New Day'
00:00:15
Speaker
Last month, we watched a movie starring Jon Bernthal, Tom Holland, and Zendaya, and we made the internet very mad. This month, we watched a movie starring Jon Bernthal, Tom Holland, and Zendaya, and we'll see what happens.
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Speaker
Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. I'm your host, Alex. I'm your host, Malik. And I'm your host, Hachi. And if you can't tell, we are reviewing Spider-Man Brand New Day.
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The fourth installment of the MCU Spider-Man run franchise arc, however you want to call it. I don't know. um But we're really excited. This was one of the movies we were looking forward to the most this year.
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And but before we hop into it, how is everyone doing today? I'm doing good. I'm excited to talk about this movie. um Go, webs, go.
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Yep. yeah All right. um Rapid
Christopher Nolan's 'Tenet' Review
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review. Let's do rapid review. ah This is an MCU heavy episode. I think all of our news pretty much has to do with the MCU and we'll dive into all of that. But what have we been watching?
00:01:30
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I am watching Tenet. Yes, you are. I watched tenant. Um, I don't know why I didn't do it before we did a Nolan ranking, but I watched it after.
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And i got a couple of things to say about tenant. It's definitely the Nolan movie that I've heard the most slander about. And so i was very curious to see my thoughts on this one. the main complaint that I heard was that it was very confusing and it was hard to hear.
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um There were moments where it was hard to hear, even at home with the ah my hope my sound system you know optimized. ah The mixing was was kind of weird, but I didn't think it was a particularly hard movie to understand. There was a couple moments where you're like, wait a minute, let's take a step back here. like What's going on?
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But the overall plot of it, I thought was very understandable. like I got it. ah Looks fantastic. probably one of the hardest movies Nolan had to film in terms of choreographing scenes and I really liked it I give it a four out of five and I slotted it in at number seven on my Nolan list so just behind Inception but ahead of Dunkirk let's go i was nervous to see what you're gonna think about it I really liked it I left thinking it had the sauce
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Yeah. I mean, I wasn't like that the first time I watched it. and talked about it on the last episode, but on the subsequent watches, I was just like, oh, okay. I'm here now. I get it.
00:03:08
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So glad you're on board.
Critique of 'The Materialists'
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um I finally watched The Materialists, the Dakota Johnson, Pedro Pascal, Chris Evans. Did you guys see it? Yes. Not Watched it on a plane.
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Okay. Good plane movie. Yeah. ah bad movie I did not enjoy ah which is really disappointing because I really like Past Lives from Celine's song so I was looking forward to Materialist and I think honestly like the conversation when the movie came out ah stalled my watching of it because it just did not seem like it was doing well and I was like um maybe I don't need to rush to the theater to go see this one so a year later finally watched it and
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Yeah, not good. Really not good. Yeah, I was really disappointed in that. I also really liked Past Lives. So if that's your follow-up, it's like, ooh.
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it's ah It's a really strange follow-up. And like as I'm watching the movie, I'm like, i don't know what needed what needs to change in this script to actually make it interesting.
00:04:14
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I just think it was a really, I just think the entire premise falls flat overall. So, and Dakota Johnson is actually really bad in it. and did not enjoy her performance whatsoever.
00:04:27
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Not good at all. No. um I gave that one a two and a half out of five. Sounds about right. Chris Evans is handsome. I gave it a three out of five and i was on the plane. So i should tell you everything you you know about that. Planes elevate a bad movie at least half a star. That is a written rule. What about you, Tachi? What you got?
Reflection on 'The Odyssey'
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So um I was going to bring up that I partially watched the Batman, but I wrote something down in my notes on my phone a couple days ago, just reflecting on the Odyssey.
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So I'm going to
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I'm going to bring up like the the main point of it, but the more that I've thought about the Odyssey over the last two weeks and some of my takes on the episode, one of them being that I was really disappointed with Agamemnon's like one speaking line or the the conversation in Hades.
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And I really didn't like it at the time.
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But upon further reflection, I feel like the, the casting in the context of no one's adaptation, it makes a lot of sense that he's kind of this pathetic little guy because I'm sorry, Vinny, not really sorry,
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Speaker
yeah i'm sorry viny not really sorry but um it It makes a lot more sense because this Agamemnon is like such a coward to the nth degree.
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He overcompensates with like the sick ass suit of armor. He does not participate in the battle. He sacrifices his and his own daughter because he's so afraid.
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um you know, blah, bla blah, blah. But it it just makes so much more sense that he's not like this really intimidating warmonger, you know, under the armor.
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He's this snaky, spineless little little fella. And, oh, and part of that kind of speaks to the the actual, like, vertebrae on his helmet.
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um I don't know if that was, like, a an intentional thing with him being spineless but oh give him a visual spine yeah that's pretty sick actually that suit goes hard did you get bullied by our comments into changing your view no no the the comments on our our our videos had nothing to do with it but um anyways i was just excited about that like mini breakthrough and my my media literacy skills um I don't take back what I said about Charlie Cern though I I feel full conviction that she was one of the worst performances in the movie yeah I still I still stand behind that too yeah I also stand behind everything I said
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I don't take anything back are you guys gonna re-watch it soon oh I don't know. Maybe. i got fine I've got tickets in three weeks to watch it.
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So I'm excited. I'm excited for that. Is it the forty x version? No, i got the IMAX 70mm. Oh. Finally. Had to go to a mini war again. Like the first time trying to get tickets was like two and a half hours in that queue because the AMC app is just god awful.
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And then IMAX was just like, all right, we're extending the window like across the world. And again, the app crashed and people were having a hard time getting in, but I was persistent. So...
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I'm curious to see how I'll feel on a second on a second rewatch of it, but I still stand behind all of my thoughts and opinions on it too, on that episode, but I'm glad you've had some some clarification of the mind yeah for characters.
00:08:26
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um I'm trying to, i guess, reflect on the things that I don't like and see if I was right in the moment or if I was wrong. We'll take that into practice with ah with today's movie.
00:08:40
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But let's get into some movie news first, and then we'll get into Spider-Man brand new
San Diego Comic-Con Updates
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day. Alex, I think you're kicking us off. News out of SDCC with Marvel. I'm assuming that's San Diego Comic-Con. That is San Diego Comic-Con. Okay. I didn't write these show notes, people. New Doomsday trailer was shown. Ryan Gosling announced as Ghost Rider.
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Black Panther 3 announced Ryan Coogler returning. And David Johnson as the Black Panther. How are feeling about all of that? Uh, curious to see what the doomsday trailer is. Wonder when we'll get it since we just got the first one few weeks ago.
00:09:17
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Don't know why they've been sitting on this. It's going to probably get leaked like tomorrow. Yeah. I, I feel in the next couple weeks, we'll probably get it. Um, Ryan Gosling is ghost writer. How are we? yeah Literally me.
00:09:32
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There's a world where I am excited for this. Yeah. I don't know if it's this one, though. You know, I'll agree with you, but it feels so much like a like a key jangling casting. Like, look, we got Ryan Gosling. Everybody loves Ryan Gosling. Especially on a motorcycle.
00:09:51
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they're trying They're trying to appeal to the I'm Him crowd, which is us. Place Beyond the Pines, but it's an MCU movie with yeah a ghost rider for some reason. And we got Sean Levy attached ah for directing, which is, I think, what sours us to this casting of, like,
00:10:13
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I don't know. Maybe they have a good partnership because there's this and then Starfighter. Maybe Sean Levy just is loved by Disney execs. Yeah.
00:10:23
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Because he does whatever they tell him. Because he riffs on a level that no one's ever seen. It's crazy. Yeah. the I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. But David Johnson, yes. I'm very excited for that.
00:10:39
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I'm excited to see that. um Are we surprised that Coogler's coming back for Black Panther 3? No. No. Okay. Are you? No. You are.
00:10:49
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a little bit. I don't know. I just thought after like sinners and he's doing this X-Files thing, maybe there'd be more like original stuff. Do you know how much money they probably threw at him to do this?
00:11:01
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I know. This is just, it's, it's fine. This pays for everything else. Yeah. This is paying for the X-Files. That's true. Yeah, I'm on board. I like David Johnson.
00:11:13
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Excited to see him in the role. um I feel kind of bad for Letitia Wright, just immediately thrown overboard. and Like, all right, no more here.
00:11:26
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Wakanda Forever was ah kind of a tough movie. Yeah. Admittedly.
00:11:33
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Speaking of Ryan Gosling, Barbie 2 might happen. with Greta Gerwig ready to begin writing the film. Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling, and Greta Gerwig are all in talks for a term, but David Zaslav, who is the CEO of Paramount, for those who don't know, is currently refusing to pay what they're demanding, calling it too generous.
00:11:57
Speaker
On one hand, I do know they're probably all asking for an absurd amount of money, given what Barbie did did three years ago. h But on the other hand, David Zaslav sucks, so i'm not going to give him that credit.
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How do we feel about a Barbie 2? Do we need a second one or is it purely a cash grab?
Speculation on 'Barbie 2'
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Speaker
Just a cash grab. um um Where do you even go with it? I don't know. Please don't make this movie.
00:12:23
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i I don't want to see it. No. i I enjoy Barbie. I'm a fan of Barbie. Leave it alone. We're we're good. We're good. Just leave it alone.
00:12:36
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think I agree. yeah Yeah. I think so too. Where would it go?
00:12:44
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i don't know. Maybe they go into a different universe instead of our universe. Across the Barbieverse. love all these multiverses. I'm sick of the multiverse. ah Barbie enters the Hot Wheels universe. Isn't there a Hot Wheels movie coming out or is it a Matchbox?
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I think it's Hot Wheels. Matchbox isn't as big of a brand as Hot Wheels. so But I think there's a Matchbox movie that like a trailer just got released for, if I'm not mistaken. What?
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Yeah, and I think John Cena's in it.
00:13:17
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I didn't watch it. Please tell me I didn't dream this.
00:13:23
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No, you're right. Guys, I'm getting a phone call right now. Hollywood is calling.
Discussion on the Upcoming Matchbox Movie
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Ha ha ha ha.
00:13:33
Speaker
I'm right. There's ah it's matchbox. The movie is an upcoming American action comedy film directed by Sam Hargrave and written by David Cog, Cog, Cog, shawl based on the toy brand matchbox by Mattel. It stars John Cena, Jessica Beal, Sam Richardson, Arturo Castro, and Teyona Paris.
00:13:57
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There we go. Releasing on October 9th on Apple TV. Wow. Breaking news on the Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. what What? Here's the plot. Listen to the plot.
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Spy and former soldier Sean Walker, who's John Cena, reunites with childhood friends only to be drugged and kidnapped by a group looking for a nuclear warhead.
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The CIA believes Walker and his friends stole the weapon, so the group decides to re-steal the bomb and clear their names.
00:14:33
Speaker
Okay. What? Hell yeah. I'm And then we just threw the matchbox name on top of it, guess.
00:14:41
Speaker
Cool. We'll be there. Yeah. What is say a high grave yeah Sam Hargrave directed? Sounds familiar. He is best known for his collaborations with the Russo brothers, including as the stunt coordinator for several films in the MCU.
00:14:57
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he made extract oh he He did the Extraction movies with Chris Hemsworth. I never watched those. also served as second unit director for season two of The Mandalorian.
00:15:09
Speaker
I don't like any of those words. They're pretty fun watch Extraction? Hmm. Neat. all right tachi yeah you're next next thing auditions for the x-men movie have been happening since may the casting search for emma frost was the most thorough with samara weaving subsequently winning the role how we feeling how we feeling i like her i like i like her too yeah um how much do you like her
00:15:43
Speaker
what do you mean are you one fan is that what's happening here no okay um are you the or number one fan is that what's happening here no okay um i I can't help but be excited for an X-Men movie.
00:16:05
Speaker
i'm I'm so curious what they're going to do. And we'll have this conversation as we're talking about the movie. But I'm a fan of some airweaving. like the role. Cool.
00:16:19
Speaker
Who is Emma Frost? Do you guys know? Not really. don't think she was in the original trilogy, the Fox trilogy. I don't know. Yeah. I admittedly, I'm not like very aware of X-Men lore.
00:16:35
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yeah Yeah. I know she's a character. i don't know
X-Men Movie Casting Rumors
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where she fits in the grand scheme of things. um Okay. Well, there are rumors of other castings are Charles Melton as Beast.
00:16:52
Speaker
Right. And Kaylee Spaney as Rogue. That would be fire. Could be fun. That would be fire. Two thumbs up with both of those. I do too. Yeah. I like it.
00:17:04
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Speaking of um another possible casting, Indy Navarrete says she wants to play a Mystique in the MCU. She recently met with the X-Men director, Jake Schreier.
00:17:18
Speaker
Sure. You know, I actually got a text about this um from a a friend of the pod saying, Make it make sense to me how Indy Navarrete is getting so much X-Men buzz from the mere fact that she did a convo with the director.
00:17:35
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I don't, it doesn't make sense why that's news.
00:17:40
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Hmm. I don't know. Maybe she's just trying to like manifest it publicly. I could see that. She seems to be doing the same thing with the Michael Mann meeting. She's just meeting a lot of people and it is making news. like, it's like oh, Indy Nav already ran into Paul Giamatti at In-N-Out Burger. It's like...
00:18:00
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I mean, i think I think that's the right move to do. Like, you're not waiting on anyone to open the doors for you. It seems like she's just going out there and speaking it out into the world, carrying the momentum of obsession.
00:18:15
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yeah um And I think we said it already, but yeah, I'm excited to see what she does next. The world is her oyster. Yes. Um, next piece of news.
Mahershala Ali's Frustration with 'Blade'
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Mahershala Ali has called out Marvel for Blade never happening.
00:18:29
Speaker
In quotes, he said, you had me under contract. They have billions of dollars. If they wanted to do the movie, we would have done the movie. I feel ready to move on from the Blade questions. Those questions are for them.
00:18:41
Speaker
Didn't ah Kevin Fage say, like, we didn't want to make a movie where he just chopped up vampires or something? Yeah, and everyone was like, that's all we wanted. I don't know.
00:18:53
Speaker
This has got to be the biggest bag they've fumbled so far. like You had sinners show that like vampire movies are still a thing for people, and you didn't carry that momentum by just making Blade...
00:19:10
Speaker
They could have done something like so out of the ordinary from what we see from the MCU. But I think that fact alone is maybe what stopped them. Imagine an R-rated MCU movie. Yeah, I do truly think they could have done something. Yeah, like a la Deadpool in terms of violence.
00:19:32
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But I think they chickened out. Yeah, cowards. Yeah. um Jacob Tremblay as the Unabomber releasing September 25th on Netflix. there was a why don't you Why don't you just read the actual show note and tell us what you meant by that?
00:19:48
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I didn't type that.
00:19:53
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I didn't. Yes, you did. Was it Tachi? Do we know anything about the Unabomber? Yes. I know Alex does. All right, please share.
00:20:05
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I just know the name. What about him? Why is he a big deal? All right, here we go. Is there an explain like I'm five version?
00:20:18
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Yes. So the Unabomber is this guy, Ted Kaczynski, who was
Overview of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber
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a genius. I mean, this guy was legitimately, verifiably, like went to Harvard at 16. Very, very smart.
00:20:30
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um He lost his mind. And we'll talk about why in a second or what helped contribute to that. um He ended up moving to a cabin in Montana.
00:20:40
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He wrote a manifesto called um the and industrial society and its consequences. You've ah absolutely heard the, the opening phrase, you know the industrial society and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Oh yeah. Um,
00:20:54
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And to to help manifest this this ah manifesto, he mailed bombs to people, academics who he felt were um kind of forwarding the destruction of humanity, I think.
00:21:10
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It's been a while since I kind of went into who he targeted and why. But there were a couple people who were on that list who were like professors of like specific kinds of technology.
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ah There was some guy who ended up on the Epstein list. So, you know, bad guy does a bad thing. You know, sometimes broken clock, you know, right twice a day.
00:21:32
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But he's kind of... been brought back into the public consciousness because a lot of people are resonating with that manifesto, ah specifically in the age of AI and technology and flock cameras and all that being used to kind of clamp down on everyone and put us in in this chokehold that we're all feeling right now.
00:21:55
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very So a lot of people are are kind of resonating with his overall message, not necessarily the bombings portion. ah He was caught. He ah died recently in prison. He was in, um ah think, ADA a Florence, the Supermax prison in Colorado for the majority of his prison sentence, but he died there of cancer a couple years back.
00:22:19
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um Very, very fascinating individual. He was a part of the MKUltra mind control experiments when he was in college. um And so people think that that's what ah kind of led to his mind breaking and him going fully crazy.
00:22:36
Speaker
Oh, man. Why the what? Do you not know about MKUltra? i No, I didn't know he was part of that program. Oh, yeah. Oh, I got to do some reading. Yeah, because they did a lot of the MKUltra testings at um college campuses.
00:22:53
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That's where they got the subjects for it. ah Oh. It wasn't like you know the CIA had someone in like a bunker and were like, move this with your mind. Yeah. they were out about They probably had some of that going on, but a lot of it was like experimenting with ah like ah just just people at universities.
00:23:11
Speaker
Okay, interesting. um um I got to see if there's a trailer for this for this movie coming out. Jacob Tremblay, um if you've seen Room, he's the the little boy in Room, Brie Larson's son. So he's now grown and and he is the Unabomber. Neat.
00:23:28
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What do we got next?
00:23:33
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Oh, it's me. Wicker starring Olivia Colman and Alexander Skarsgård and co-starring Peter Dinklage and Elizabeth Debicki. Releasing in October. Thank you, Tachi.
00:23:44
Speaker
yeah um I don't know anything about this movie. Is this a remake of Wicker Man? i have no idea. I didn't look into this at all. the poster I saw a um just a screenshot of Skarsgård as he's like made out of Wicker.
00:24:01
Speaker
but That's the only thing I saw. Wait a minute. All about Wicker, the raunchy romantic fantasy starring Alexander Scott.
00:24:11
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I think it's a romance movie. I think someone's going to um ah jail. Bang a handbasket.
00:24:23
Speaker
Oh, that sounds like our type of movie. Yeah, I'm I'm officially peaked. My interest is peaked. All right. Well, speaking of banging handbaskets, let's get into a Spider-Man.
00:24:36
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What? um I'll read the synopsis for Spider-Man Brand New Day, and then we'll get into our letterbox love like loath.
Success of 'Spider-Man: Brand New Day'
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Spider-Man Brand New Day, directed by Destin Daniel Cretton.
00:24:47
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Fighting crime full-time as Spider-Man in a world that doesn't remember him, and the pressure of seeing his old friends move on without him, sparks a change in Peter Parker he may not have the power to control. But that transformation might also be the only thing that can stop a shocking new threat to the city and those he loves, a powerful villain no one can even see.
00:25:05
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Alex has our five stars today, Tachi with the three, and then I have the one. Our five-star review today comes from Layla. It feels like every Spider-Man film just gets better and better. Loved the emotional gravity in this film. You can see the maturity of Tom Holland's Spider-Man and loved how themes of community and belonging came into play.
00:25:24
Speaker
Stunning, exciting, and a wild ride from start to finish. Beautifully done. Spider-Man will always be the best superhero. No one fight me.
00:25:33
Speaker
That's not a particularly hot take, Layla. but No one's going to fight you. Yeah.
00:25:42
Speaker
right. Our three star comes in from Murder X Brian. The audience clapped when they said stuff and I don't know what the hell they were clapping about.
00:25:52
Speaker
Our one star comes from Jed Press Grove. The Tom Holland Spider-Man run is the cinematic equivalent of cleaning up projectile vomit with a brand new day pulling overtime to soak up the putrid puddles, spray disinfect it and buff the services, but with none of the efficiency of an experienced janitor.
00:26:09
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Jeez. Yeah, that's
00:26:15
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That's a heck of a visual. It really is. um To open up today's conversation, i just wanted to talk about the box office before we get into our reactions, because this movie is... It's going nuts.
00:26:28
Speaker
Yep. We are recording this on Sunday, August 2nd. The movie came out three days ago. Yeah. Thus far, it is the second biggest box office opening of all time, currently sitting at $927 million on a $225 million dollars budget.
00:26:45
Speaker
The movie ahead of that was Avengers Endgame. Crazy. I forgot that this happened. But Avengers Endgame made $1.2 billion in its opening weekend. Absurd.
00:26:56
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Absolutely insane. um And the third biggest opening weekend ah was Avengers Infinity War at $640 million. Did we know or did we anticipate Spider-Man having this type of motion?
00:27:10
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nine Nearly a billion opening weekend? No. I knew it was going to do very, very well. Yeah. I didn't think it would do $920 million dollars opening weekend well. I didn't either. i don't know. It's Spider-Man.
00:27:23
Speaker
Everybody loves Spider-Man. I know, but like I think if was like $500 million, like still really big, I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense. But nearly a billion?
00:27:35
Speaker
I'm like, I'm actually shocked. I think the trailers did a really good job at drawing people in. Yeah. The marketing I thought was very good. Yeah. Yeah. I think the marketing played a huge part in it. um Tom Holland and Zendaya have been on a, I think a really good press run.
00:27:52
Speaker
It was been really fun to hear their conversations about it, especially Tom Holland. And it seemed like, He ah heard a lot of the criticism of fans and it seems like him and Destin Daniel and the filmmaking crew behind this movie kind of took a lot of those criticisms to heart and wanted to do something a bit different.
00:28:15
Speaker
So I don't know. You could feel the excitement from the cast and crew, I think, from all of these interviews leading up to the movie for sure. Right.
00:28:27
Speaker
Where do you guys think this movie will end? It's box office. An early prediction. Endgame, like I said, opened a weekend at 1.2 billion and it ended at 2.8 billion.
00:28:38
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Where will Spider-Man land? I'm going to go 1.9. 1.9 billion. Okay. one point nine billion okay
00:28:49
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and think I think I'm gonna do 1.7. I'm gonna go a little lower. I'll go two. You think it'll cross two? Yeah, why not? Damn. That'd be crazy. All right. What was your guys' excitement level? We really underscored or underpredicted, what was it?
00:29:06
Speaker
Something that broke the record like the next day that we recorded. I forgot what it was. it the Oscars? No. i think it was Obsession. It was something. We got to keep like a track or whatever. We like make these predictions. Speaking of which, the the Odyssey is apparently about to crack a billy.
00:29:23
Speaker
Is it really? Yes. Nice. What did the Odyssey make opening weekend, by the way? If you have that up. It opened 123 million.
00:29:36
Speaker
ah um I think that was domestically. Yeah. 210 million in the US alone so far. Okay. Combined with the overseas grosses, the Odyssey has netted a whopping $639 million dollars worldwide so far. $140 million of that comes from IMAX.
00:29:57
Speaker
And then this is claiming it's going to hit a billion soon. Nice. Yeah. So Spider-Man does a billion in one weekend. Yeah.
00:30:07
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I mean, come on. It's crazy. I think two's achievable. I think so, too. and think I think I'm probably undershooting it. Two would put it at the top of the year, right?
00:30:21
Speaker
For sure. So far. Spider-Man, I mean, ah Super Mario Galaxy, I think is its biggest competition. Okay, but we also have Doomsday coming out.
00:30:32
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like what is do Like, what is Doomsday going to do? I'm going to be so mad if Doomsday does like 2.5 billion. Like so I don't I don't think it will. I that I think that will fully depend on how good the movie is.
00:30:48
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Because Endgame came out and it was just like that was that was the moment like that was peak. That was I need to go back and watch this a second third time in the first like two to three weeks. And that's what people did. Like that's what I did.
00:31:02
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I'm really worried because I'm pretty sure I'm on record on this podcast saying that Dune 3 was going to beat Doomsday. You can take it back. I'm really worried. No, I got to stand on business. I got stand on business.
00:31:16
Speaker
Okay. um Let's get into the movie. um Excitement levels coming into this.
Initial Impressions of 'Spider-Man: Brand New Day'
00:31:22
Speaker
Kind of hit on it a little bit. I was excited. Watching the trailer, but also i think a little just hesitant as we've had many discussions on the state of the MCU. But the thing that made me excited was all of the news coming out of Tom Holland and and the cast and crew being like, we hear you. Here's what we want to fix.
00:31:41
Speaker
These are the approaches we took. This is our movie. And that's what made me excited for it.
00:31:48
Speaker
I think regardless of how you feel about the movie, the process was a great step in the right direction. Yeah. um Was excited to see a new director behind these movies. John Watts was the director for for the first trilogy.
00:32:07
Speaker
And we can get into our feelings a little bit later about that. But. ah I think we should tag spoilers now. It's kind of I think it'll be a little bit hard to talk about this without fully spoiling. So if you haven't seen the movie and you don't want any spoilers, pause, turn it off, go watch the movie and come back.
00:32:28
Speaker
Cause I think we're just going to, going to do the whole thing. um But what did you guys think of this movie? What was your initial reaction coming out of the theater?
00:32:39
Speaker
I was extremely excited going to the movie. Like extremely. I thought this could be like a five. I think this is one of your most anticipated, if not the most anticipated for you this year. Yeah. um When leaving the theater, my gut was telling me. Pretty good.
00:33:05
Speaker
Not excellent. Okay. it It did not blow my mind. Okay. But. It was really enjoyable. Yeah. um Walking out of the theater and so many times during the movie, like so many times during the movie, I was like, holy shit, that's Spider-Man.
00:33:27
Speaker
And I felt that. And I have not felt that with Tom Holland's movies yet until this movie. And so walking out, I was like, damn, I think they did it.
00:33:38
Speaker
I walked out with a very positive feeling. Mm-hmm. I walked out satisfied. This is what Spider-Man is supposed to be. Yep. Yes. We're back from the nonsense.
00:33:53
Speaker
And it was a bunch of nonsense. Oh, we'll talk about it. Too much nonsense. ah Okay. um
00:34:05
Speaker
Tom Holland is really great in this. i agree. I think he's always been a really good Spider-Man, but in this movie specifically, they really did fine-tune the issues and address them where just like for his performance, I'm like, yes, yeah, you got it.
00:34:24
Speaker
he He did very well. I thought he his performance was very well acted for an MCU movie. Like, it's never going to win an award or anything, but I think it showed me. I'm like, yeah, Tom Holland's got some chops.
00:34:39
Speaker
Yeah. It's probably a top three performance of his. there's a um I feel like he changed his voice a bit, too. Like, I think we've gotten away from the...
00:34:50
Speaker
or Okay, Mr. Stark, I can do that for you. like he he He sounded like a New Yorker in this, and he had a little bit of Queen's accent. Hey, I'm swinging here. I'm swinging here. What are you doing?
00:35:03
Speaker
But like that and just like with... He plays the emotions very well. I think everyone wanted to see a sad Peter Parker. Like, we were tired of Iron Boy Jr., basically, and felt like he was just attached to the broader scope of the MCU for his entire trilogy. So it was nice to... While this movie does have bits and pieces of that, like, I can't really say it's condensed.
00:35:30
Speaker
but it feels correct. yeah Yeah. Especially for the universe it's in. Yeah. Yeah. He's not in a nano tech suit, which is great.
New Spider-Man Suit
00:35:40
Speaker
Oh, let's talk about the suit.
00:35:42
Speaker
Oh, it looked great. I love the suit. The suit's really nice. I was a little hesitant at first in previews seeing I don't know.
00:35:55
Speaker
I can't really explain like why I was hesitant, but watching the movie, I'm like, okay, this actually, I don't know where this will rank in like in terms of suits for me, but it's, it's either one or two for me, I think at least top three.
00:36:09
Speaker
Um, I love the suit. I'm glad that they got away from the CGI. Yes. Full body suits. But how did you guys feel?
00:36:19
Speaker
I think this, the the suit itself and Tom's performance, it just feels so much more inspired and intentional and yeah, leap leaps and bounds more authentic as Spider-Man than than what we've seen so far with Tom.
00:36:38
Speaker
Yep. I'd gotten so used to seeing Tom Holland in like CGI slop suits that when he was on screen for like the first 20 minutes, I was like, why is he in his pajamas?
00:36:49
Speaker
i'm like, Oh, it's supposed to look like that. Yeah. I think maybe that. Yeah. I think maybe that's why it was a little jarring seeing it was just being used to like the rubber. After I watched the movie, I went back to the, his introduction in civil war.
00:37:04
Speaker
Um, and, He just looks so rubbery because it's literally just like a CGI character. And then you see the behind the scenes and he's not wearing a suit. He's wearing just like like a black skin tight thing with like dots all over it so they can map the suit to him. And he just looks rubbery.
00:37:22
Speaker
And like this movie is just the exact opposite of that with the suit and does a lot of heavy lifting in a very positive way. And I was i was very happy to see it. Thank God. Yeah. um Other cast, Zendaya. How do you feel about her role here as MJ?
00:37:40
Speaker
She's exactly the same. No, I disagree. i think this is by far her best performance as MJ. Wow. i think well I think the writing was slightly better for her, but I think additionally they gave her chances to act like on the rooftop and...
00:38:00
Speaker
um What was the other scene? i think at Frank's. hu The boat. If you can call that a home. Yeah. You live here?
00:38:14
Speaker
Where were you at, Alex? I thought she it hers was pretty part of the course. I wasn't i didn't walk away thinking, like wow, like she really elevated MJ as much as I thought, like wow, Tom Holland elevated MCU Peter Parker.
00:38:29
Speaker
I thought, for the most part, everyone else was fairly standard, except for Sadie Sink. Everyone else felt like their character. though It didn't feel like a huge departure of um you know from what we had seen from them before.
00:38:45
Speaker
I do agree with you, Tachi. I think that um i think that ah she had some better writing and some better chances to act, but I didn't think it was like enough.
00:38:57
Speaker
Obviously, Tom Holland's going to get the most. Right. And Zendaya got a little bit more, but it wasn't enough for me to be like, oh, wow, she really changed up MJ. Right. But I do agree that there were some moments where i was like, let's go Zendaya.
00:39:11
Speaker
I'm not a Zendaya hater. i you know i I like her. so yeah I was just really satisfied with the the improvements there. I was scared that we were just goingnna get the blank nothingness again.
00:39:24
Speaker
Yeah, I think I was too. i I feel like I sit in the middle of both of you guys because yeah I do think of like the them being in like in Frank's house. And I think that was just a really good scene between the two. And then also just their chemistry.
00:39:39
Speaker
in these movies and in real life has obviously grown so much. They're married now where it just, it feels so palpable. Like, especially like as they're talking like through the curtain, I'm like sitting, I caught myself like sitting there like smiling because I'm like kicking my feet and I'm like, they they just play so well off of each other.
00:39:59
Speaker
And it just adds to it that they're also like married in real life. And so, you know, that, that, that spark is real. um I think she, this is the best, MJ Zendaya has had she doesn't have a lot to do though in this movie like you said Alex but with what she does have I think she does a good job um Jacob Batalon as Ned also kind of just for the course um our CEO of sex here ah say it with conviction he is the CEO of sex he is we need to see more of that do you think he's in ah one night only
00:40:37
Speaker
He's got to be. he's the He's in the post-credits scene. The CEO of the world. Will return. um Yeah, not much to say with his performance. He's good.
00:40:47
Speaker
um I like him. He's Ned. He's Ned. Yeah. yeah I want to know how his app works. I'm confused on that. think he vibe-coded it.
00:40:59
Speaker
It's just a vibe-code? Vibe-code, like crowd-funded data. It's probably like Waze, but for Spider-Man. Did you guys wait and watch the credit scene?
00:41:10
Speaker
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I don't know how that app works. think That was confusing. I'm confused on the post credit scene. What do you guys think it is? i I'll tell you what I think it is, but Tachi's got to close his ears.
00:41:29
Speaker
Okay. All right. Here we go again. It's the leak. it's it's I think it's the leak. It's Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man universe. About to explode?
00:41:40
Speaker
That, or it's like incurring on this MCU's universe. But I think it has i think it's the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man world leak. So do you think his Earth blows up, but Tobey Maguire escapes somehow this universe? believe he does, according to the leak.
00:41:57
Speaker
Because I thought in the leak he died. No, I he comes back. Like that gets blown up with it. Dang. I'm going to be pressed if he dies. So that was my first thought with the post-credits scene, but I was like, is it? And then other people have other theories.
00:42:11
Speaker
But opening day of Doomsday, if that is the opening scene, I'm going to laugh. I'm going walk out. No, I'm kidding. I'll be there no matter what. i okay I think that's what it could be, too.
00:42:24
Speaker
You're good, T-Money. You can come back. Okay. I have my own theory. Okay, go ahead. Okay, going to close my eyes when I say this because don't want to see reactions. But my theory is it's a lead up for Doomsday.
00:42:38
Speaker
It's going to be a Spider-Man we have seen and he's probably going to die to show off. um I don't know the. The ah doo bret threat of doom. Yeah.
00:42:52
Speaker
Okay. Keep those eyes closed. yeah
00:42:59
Speaker
That's my theory. i don't know. um But it feels like I don't think they want to kill off Tom's Spider-Man.
00:43:10
Speaker
Because there was ah there was a comment by one of the execs saying that like they want him to be Spider-Man forever or something. Yeah. So. How many more Tom Holland? Like, let me die, man. How many more Tom Holland Spider-Man movies do we do you think we get? Because this is the first time we get a fourth Spider-Man movie.
00:43:28
Speaker
We were once upon a time. I guess we get two more. You think ah like a solid six movies with him? Yeah. Okay. I could see him going longer.
00:43:39
Speaker
Me too. They're going to run out of stuff, though. I can see eight movies. Maybe. It needs to end with Venom. MCU Venom.
00:43:51
Speaker
What do you mean? like it Like Tom Holland becoming... or having Tom Holland's last Spider-Man MCU movie should have Venom in it. wow You know, i would have loved to see...
00:44:06
Speaker
the Venom that we have interact with Tom Holland's Spider-Man. I think that would have been funny. With Tom Hardy? Yeah. Because what movie was it where there was a post-credit scene of Venom looking at Tom Holland through like a TV screen?
00:44:22
Speaker
There's No Way Home. That was No Way Home? Yeah. I think so. Okay. i I wanted to see that. I was down. And I don't remember. I didn't see the last Venom movie. What is it? Let There Be Carnage or whatever. i don't know if I was or The Last Dance. I don't even know.
00:44:38
Speaker
um But I didn't watch whatever the last one was. don't watch any of them. Jon Bernthal is Punisher. How do you feel about The Punisher's inclusion in this? I liked I loved that your I didn't watch to The Punisher series.
00:44:55
Speaker
But I really enjoyed their relationship, him and Tom. It made me want to go watch the Punisher series. Same. Like just seeing them yell at each other back and forth as like they pull up to his house arguing about Staten Island and who saved who or whatever. That was like hilarious. And I loved their relationship together.
00:45:16
Speaker
It was so New York. Yeah. Yeah. We also got in that argument, we did get a variation of the John Bernthal. Let me tell you something. Yeah. my in My entire theater busted out laughing when he said when he said that. He like, you listen from here.
00:45:34
Speaker
We also caught him napping at the end of the movie. Dude's supposed to hate naps. Caught him red-handed. um Another fun interaction with them is ah the scene with Hulk.
00:45:48
Speaker
How we feel about Mark Ruffalo and Hulk?
00:45:52
Speaker
um Pretty normal. What we've seen far. it's it's Mark Ruffalo is the Hulk. Yeah, there there wasn't much for him to work with. yeah I was actually really stoked to see hukby Hulk be Hulk.
00:46:10
Speaker
I hate the hybrid Professor Hulk when heever whenever he's talking. It's just Mark Ruffalo's voice. I hate it I think it's awful. And so with the trailers that came out with this movie, I thought that's what we were going to get.
00:46:22
Speaker
And I was ah really happy to see like... the incredible Hulk come out and Spider-Man makes the company. he's like, I didn't know you could get that big, like to the point of like, he's so angry that he's just getting like larger. I thought that was really fun to see and a, and a really fun inclusion.
00:46:37
Speaker
Yeah. So I was a fan of that. Um, John Bernthal is also really funny in that scene, trying to make his own plan. He's said you're just doing this so that way you don't have to fight Hulk, right? hes Yeah. But him just like firing guns at him.
00:46:51
Speaker
What's screaming too? Like, yeah.
00:46:57
Speaker
That doesn't make him shoot harder, John. It might. um Okay, I want to get into Sadie Sink. Okay. What?
00:47:07
Speaker
Were we surprised at who her who she was? No. It was very obvious. The amount of times that... so When she first got like rumored, it was like, oh, she's going to play Jean Grey. Then it was like, the MCU was like, no, no, no, She's not going to play Jean Grey. Everyone's like...
00:47:26
Speaker
she's gonna play Jean Grey. But we're not gonna tell you. Sticking their fingers in their ears. It's like, she's definitely not playing Jean Grey. So she comes on the screen and I'm like, I don't really know anything about Jean Grey.
00:47:38
Speaker
And it's just like, what's your name? It's like, Jean. And I'm like, I knew that. knew this years ago. What was the, why did we think that she was Jean Grey? Is it just because she has red hair?
00:47:51
Speaker
Like Sadie Sink was announced and everyone was like, oh, Jean Grey. Like just immediate because of the hair color? I actually think so. I also think so. i think that I think that was it. and then they're Yeah, they were like, no.
00:48:06
Speaker
I think it's that plus I think the collective consciousness knows that Jean Grey is an important mutant and that Sadie Sink is a talented actress.
00:48:19
Speaker
To give her like a big role like yeah this. I feel like those are all things that we can agree on. Yeah. And so it it all just kind of makes sense. I think this is. It would be a great name for a band. I like write that. down
00:48:31
Speaker
I think the ah main part of the movie to discuss is her inclusion in this. ah The discourse I think that I'm seeing right now. has to do with like the overall introduction of her where people are more iffy on i don't know her introduction being more villainous quote unquote villainous I'm not attached to the X-Men characters and I don't really know Jean Grey like that but I think it's an interesting way of introducing a character like this like I'm not mad at it like well I liked it a lot too yeah yeah
00:49:11
Speaker
Okay, so we're all on the set we're all on the same page. it's Did you guys ever watch Dark Phoenix? No. Okay, well, I don't know what she does in that movie. I think she like destroys the world or something like that. She gets angy. Yeah, like her powers are just like like dialed up to 11. She starts floating.
00:49:28
Speaker
11, you say? so So I don't really like understand the i guess the frustrations with this being her her introduction, but it feels it feels interesting. It feels like something fresh for the MCU to introduce a major character in this kind of way.
00:49:48
Speaker
Right.
00:49:51
Speaker
I liked the VMAX reveal. probably one of my favorite parts of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't get but I appreciate it No, you loved it. you That's hilarious. Yeah, child torture.
00:50:06
Speaker
arian I thought it was really clever, too, because yeah the whole time you're building up like, oh, VMAX is this super secret project. And look look at Mr. Milchick here. He's he's but an actor he's lying through his teeth. and he's like, I actually have no idea what VMAX is. You're the second person ask me about that. I have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone keep asking stop asking me about max um one unbelievable part for me for this movie was her quote unquote older sister
00:50:41
Speaker
did you see the tweet too about the age gap i saw it this morning and i'm like okay maybe that's my issue because i just didn't believe it So for those unaware, the act, so Sadie Sink, you know, Jean Grey is 24 years old, which actually I'm really surprised. i would have thought she would have been like 21. It, it, I'm always surprised at how old the stranger things kids really are. Yeah. Um, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah Gray, Sasha, no, Sarah, Sarah Gray. Um,
00:51:16
Speaker
ara That actress is 16, but she's the older sister. Hmm. Yeah. Interesting choice. Yeah.
00:51:27
Speaker
I just thought like her, the little performance we got of her, i was just like, all right, get me out of this flashback. It was a little long for a flashback. Yeah. The movie kind of becomes a Jean Grey movie for like 30 minutes.
00:51:43
Speaker
Yeah. Like we kind of completely leave Spider-Man. um And I don't know how I feel about that.
Criticism of 'Spider-Man: Brand New Day'
00:51:51
Speaker
I think. I think that's where I'm a little iffy because there is a lot that happens in this movie and it does feel overstuffed at times.
00:52:02
Speaker
Um, especially when we get like the reminders of like, Hey, he's part of like a bigger universe. Don't forget, which is fine and all, but I think that's always been these movies downfall.
00:52:19
Speaker
What do you guys think? It's really reminiscent of... What is that movie called? With Red Hulk and Captain America. Oh. Brave New World? Yeah.
00:52:31
Speaker
it's It's a lot like that, where it's not... Definitely not solely ah Spider-Man film, but... um I think if it was to include Jean Grey as such an important role, I think it was definitely executed a lot better than Breaking World.
00:52:49
Speaker
I agree. Yeah. It's because a big complaint I see is people really just want a Spider-Man movie. Like they just want just a Spider-Man movie. I don't think we'll ever get that in the MCU.
00:53:01
Speaker
Like we are too far into this entire universe that an inclusion of this big of a character basically has to have little nuggets of what else is happening in the universe.
00:53:13
Speaker
So I don't think that will ever happen. And I think that will always kind of be a downside of the movie. My least favorite inclusions was, uh, Yelena's black widow.
00:53:26
Speaker
It felt shoehorned. It felt very shoehorned in like those scenes straight up took me a little strange, strange how, Like, why was that her home base?
00:53:38
Speaker
Why was she there the whole time? Why did Peter show her his toes? i don't know what's going on. it was weird.
00:53:50
Speaker
it was It was strange. that I think those will probably go down in the movie as like my least favorite. um The Yelena character, I'm i'm so like back and forth with I don't know.
00:54:06
Speaker
Terrible in Black Widow, great in Thunderbolts, and forgettable in Brand New Day. Yeah. Which means, based on the pattern, we could be in for good Yelena in Doomsday. i think that's what the intention is and certainly what we should be hoping for, but maybe you're right.
00:54:26
Speaker
i hope you're right. Yeah. Yeah. There's another pattern I'll bring up as well, though, when talking about Doomsday. wow guess I'll get into it now.
00:54:37
Speaker
So last year we had two MCU movies. Thunderbolts? Yay. Fantastic Four? Brand brand new day? can probably tell, by the way, I'm so speaking. Yay.
00:54:50
Speaker
Doomsday? Trending? what What is Spider-Man's role in Doomsday going to be? I don't know. i haven't seen him like really... like they haven't really like put him in any of the trailers. Yeah. i'm i One thing I am... i guess like i just don't know is his future.
00:55:14
Speaker
Like in this in this entire franchise. This movie does a really good job at feeling like... at feeling like a comic book movie. And although it's like, hey, we are part of this bigger world, it does feel a bit more grounded.
00:55:28
Speaker
And I like the way most, like most of it, I like the way it's handled. So I don't know how they include him now in the bigger picture. It seems like they're building this foundation between him and the mutants, and it may just come after Doomsday and Secret Wars, where he's really prominent again.
00:55:50
Speaker
Okay, that's ah that's a good that's a good jumping off point to talk about. ah The inhibitor? Mm-hmm.
00:55:58
Speaker
He's kind of the Oppenheimer of the MCU. If you guys caught that. Yep. Is Bro going to be the reason um mutants may go extinct?
00:56:11
Speaker
Inhibiting their powers? It would be interesting now that you bring it up that he's like the enemy of Magneto. Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:22
Speaker
A lot of and implications with creating this inhibitor, for sure. I'm curious to see... Wouldn't it be Dr. Banner, though, as the Oppenheimer of it? Because he makes an inhibitor, and he has it on his arm.
00:56:34
Speaker
Yeah, but he kind of he gives Peter the idea to do it. But peter Peter already had the idea, and he's like, all right, you kind of did this. Can I do it more?
00:56:46
Speaker
So Banner's like in his own world. He's like, I did this for me. Like I got to contain this monster. I don't have to be professor Hulk anymore. Yeah. No one wants to see that anymore.
00:56:58
Speaker
Um, so I am curious to see, I guess, see yeah, the future of that, a very X-Men heavy movie.
Emotional Depth in Spider-Man
00:57:06
Speaker
Mm-hmm. which surprised There's a part of me that's, maybe Peter just isn't in Secret Wars and Doomsday because he's mad that Yelena said what he does is small potatoes. He's like, you know what? Like,
00:57:20
Speaker
I'm gonna go eat my small potatoes, yeah mini fries, potato tots, hang out with Ned. I saw a TikTok clip this morning about that and it was him fighting Thanos on Thanos' planet.
00:57:33
Speaker
And then it cuts to her lifting that wall in the street and at the end of Thunderbolts. There's like small potato versus big potato. Nine of them lifting the wall. Yeah.
00:57:44
Speaker
That's really funny. Um, The relationship of ah one of my favorite scenes is Tom Holland just building Legos with Ned and Zendaya in their apartment.
00:57:55
Speaker
it like It had me kind of choked up, actually. It was so nice. It was so nice to just see. When she was drawing them. Yeah.
00:58:06
Speaker
When she was drawing Peter as Peter, not as Spider-Man. oh And then Ned walks away, and she's like, you should tell him. like He can handle it. And he's like, I know. And I'm like, bro.
00:58:18
Speaker
This is actually so sad. I'm really happy that they didn't fix the issue, the the forgetting thing from that Doctor Strange did. I think that was one thing I was a little worried about coming into the coming into this, was that that was going to be kind of fixed in this movie.
00:58:36
Speaker
Well... And I'm glad it's not. There is a theory. i don't know if you guys saw this. I sent this to my sister this morning. I'm pulling it up right now. This comes from Twitter, from Nikki Skier Emoji.
00:58:53
Speaker
Nikki Blonsky? I wish. um Their theory is about, and to give context for for those who haven't seen the movie but are listening for some reason, um...
00:59:07
Speaker
you know in No Way Home, Peter's erased from everyone's memory. And so he's erased from MJ's memory and Ned's memory. Um... He tells MJ in this movie about his secret.
00:59:21
Speaker
He... um She doesn't remember him. But there's a couple scenes later where she's, like, very melancholic, very reminiscent. And then, of course, the the end scene, Ned and Peter do a secret handshake from the good old days. And then Ned goes, Peter!
00:59:42
Speaker
um Here's the theory. I think Jean Grey unlocked both their old memories. We saw MJ crying while frozen from Jean Grey's mind blast.
00:59:56
Speaker
Later, she was on the roof holding the black Dahlia necklace, which was a gift from Peter, and smiling. When Jean possessed Bruce, what did we get? We got Savage Hulk, not Professor Hulk. And he remembered Peter, too.
01:00:07
Speaker
So I think Jean Grey must have helped MJ get her memory back. and probably Ned too, since they were both frozen. Agree or disagree? I guess we should talk about, do we think they remembered at the end of this movie? No. You don't think so? I disagree.
01:00:23
Speaker
Why not? so I want to hear what Tachi, if he agrees or disagrees, and I'll give my reason.
01:00:30
Speaker
i don't i don't have ah I don't have a response for me waited yet, so you can go ahead. I think it's a valid theory. And I think it could be used in the future to restore the memories. I just don't think it happened right now.
01:00:47
Speaker
When No Way Home happened and they do this spell to make everyone forget Peter, I forget exactly the wording, but I remember there being conversations with, oh, everyone would forget Peter, but for some reason everyone was like, Hulk wouldn't.
01:01:01
Speaker
Like Hulk would be the one person or one thing to remember. I guess because he wasn't like there because he was. Well, it's cast. Exactly. So like there was always that theory. So that was immediately where my mind went to when Hulk is hanging off the building and he's like, he's like, it's me. It's Peter.
01:01:21
Speaker
i And then I think that was Hulk realizing because he was never under that spell Hulk specifically. So I think that was him remembering there. um At the end with the handshake, I don't think that was the spell being undone because in a scene earlier, as when Spider-Man's leaving Ned and Zendaya's apartment, um she goes, be careful, Peter. And then the music kind of stops and he's like, wait, Spider-Man's name is Peter? and then that was And then the next time we see Ned is whenever they do the handshake and Peter's like, oh, I'm Peter, by the way, and kind of does like a thing.
01:01:54
Speaker
And then they're doing the handshake. And then I think he realizes he like, oh, like this is Spider-Man. I don't think that was him realizing or getting his memory back of this is my friend, Peter. This is, this is Spider-Man, Peter.
01:02:06
Speaker
That's what I think.
01:02:09
Speaker
think that's fair. I like that.
01:02:13
Speaker
I guess we'll see, but I do. I think that is a really good theory. And if they do get the memory back, I think Jean gray is going to be the pivotal player in helping them restore their memories.
01:02:28
Speaker
i mean um Do the other Avengers remember Spider-Man and they're just like, we have no idea who he is. Yeah. Yeah. Like all of them. Yeah. Pretty sure. I think, I think that's exactly what it is.
01:02:39
Speaker
Like God, his secret identity is so good. Yeah. He's real good at that. I want to go back a little bit. There was one of you said something that reminded me of this and oh, it was about not getting the fully grounded only Spider-Man movie in the MCU.
01:02:58
Speaker
And we get a glimpse of it. There's a montage in the beginning where he's cleaning up the streets. He's capturing villains here and there. And they do a montage of that in Fantastic Four.
01:03:13
Speaker
What are your opinions on the execution of that between both and like if you even like it?
01:03:21
Speaker
I think... it's It's appreciated and I can see why they felt the need to put it in the movie, especially showing like how much time has passed. Like I was surprised to see that.
01:03:34
Speaker
Oh my God, it's been four years that passed since the spell. Like I didn't think that Ned and Zendaya and Ed and MJ were going to go through their entire MIT college and graduate. Like I thought that was pretty surprising.
01:03:45
Speaker
The part that doesn't work for me, and you see a lot of these um like videos kind of showing like the homages that they're making to the comic books, like ah Spider-Man swinging with the guy like in his arm, and it looks like the comic book cover, and there's a few shots that are direct homages to the comic book covers.
01:04:04
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um I think it's really cheap, and I'm not a fan of it. That's kind of where I stand.
01:04:12
Speaker
I liked it. Didn't love it. I don't even remember the one in Fantastic Four, if I'm being honest. It's just like newspaper clippings or like a really quick thing just showing that they're established in the world already. Yeah.
01:04:24
Speaker
It made me happy, the the Spider-Man montage, but I wasn't like this was needed. But I liked it. I don't think it detracted from the movie. Mm-hmm. And it's like the opening too, so I'm like, I'm barely getting comfortable with it. So yeah, it doesn't like take anything away from it.
01:04:41
Speaker
um I think just those specific like direct homages to the comic book like shots, I think or I'm just like, ah I don't and really feel anything with that. But yeah, we get him fighting Scorpion, we get him fighting, ah was that big guy in the suit with the weird teeth? the mouth. With the mouth, yeah, with what that mouth do. Yeah.
01:05:02
Speaker
A lot, apparently. I don't know. What's his name? Big Freaky Guy. All right. Big Freaky Guy. Yeah, we get a little bit of that. So it's i think it's i'm basically um I'm neutral, I guess. okay Okay. How do you feel about it?
01:05:17
Speaker
I don't know. It's fine, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. um Do you guys take issue with the size of the apartment Peter has and the tech he has without having a job? Because this is a really big talking point. People hate that he doesn't have a job and that he has all this tech and a big apartment, quote unquote, apartment space.
01:05:42
Speaker
Does that bother you guys for the character of Peter Parker? A little. Okay. I'm going to guess he has some access to some Stark bucks. Yeah. Or maybe he just day trades Bitcoin.
01:05:55
Speaker
I mean, he is sitting there all day. Like he could, he literally could just be doing that. Yeah. That's kind of what asking things. I don't know. hmm. I think it's like old technology maybe taken from from Stark and like from past movies. and the I do think it maybe has like, there's like a Stark fund or something like that. It's possible.
01:06:16
Speaker
No mention of him at all in this movie, by the way. Thank God. Thank God. Finally. Iron Boy Jr. I think is officially dead. Except for the fabricator.
01:06:27
Speaker
That's got to be Tony's. the Is that the thing that makes the soup? Well, no, it makes the chips too. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's fine. that That I'm fine with.
01:06:38
Speaker
Sure. it's still i mean It's still an MCU you movie. Yeah. At the end the day. And the tech in that movie is just ahead of what the tech is in our universe. So think we just kind of got to deal with it at this point.
01:06:51
Speaker
of Spider-Man going through this change of the arachnid DNA. Kind of giving him the ultimate lock-in. Eyes go black. And it's just like insanely powerful. Was so much fun to see.
01:07:07
Speaker
And so cool. uh do you think my question is it's kind of reminiscent of the symbiote yeah so do you think they will do a symbiote movie now that we kind of kind of already got it like that's kind of the whole thing it was really it was really reminiscent of it spider-man versus venom would print books oh yeah be like a three billion dollar opening day if they can do it better than spider-man 3 Which isn't hard, don't think.
01:07:38
Speaker
Yeah, they will print money. Yeah, this this buff that he got was pretty pretty nice. I really liked it. It's going be fun for the future. I will say he never really had to live with any consequences of anything that happened when he couldn't control the buff.
01:07:53
Speaker
Like, you know, there's like, oh, you almost killed a cop. And it's like, then they're just like, yeah, but you're Spidey. Yeah, you and they kind of move past it. And then he chokes out MJ or Jean Grey as MJ.
01:08:07
Speaker
And i was thinking that she would leave and then it'd be like, oh my God, like you're choking me Spider-Man. Yeah. I thought that's exactly what it was going to be too. And she's completely unbothered by the fact that like a super strong hero choked her out.
01:08:19
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Yeah.
01:08:22
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I thought that was a little like m little lacking in that department. hu I think there's more interesting ground to cover if they could if they dove into that a bit deeper. I think that is actually the most interesting part of the movie is him battling with this like internal battle. And like I said, they do kind of breeze past it a little bit.
01:08:43
Speaker
But like I said, there's a lot that happens. The biggest consequence is a headache. Yeah. Yeah. And then the issue with like not getting enough of that is because at they this is an MCU movie and they are setting up the X-Men and you've got Jean Grey as second build character in this and you also need to set that up.
01:09:03
Speaker
So I think for that it does get a bit a bit messy.
Kung Fu-inspired Fight Scene in Spider-Man
01:09:09
Speaker
How did you guys feel about the the final fight with the ninjas at the facility? That was pretty cool. I thought it was sick. I liked how much it felt like like a kung fu movie with the way the ninjas moved. Yeah. Very reminiscent of like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. So I really, really appreciated that. Yeah. That's where I'm getting the vibe of like, oh, this is the guy that directed Shang-Chi.
01:09:29
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m And I thought it was sick. when ah so when I was first watching that fight, I was thinking like that I was kind of disappointed. i was expecting like I don't know, choreography from the furious or something.
01:09:44
Speaker
But then I had to, had to like remind myself that Spider-Man is not a Kung Fu master. He's not a martial artist. He, yeah, he's also not trying to kill people. He's trying to actively save them or just get past them.
01:09:57
Speaker
But I was like, damn, he's not just like breaking bones left and right. Yeah. But it's okay. Yeah. it It is who he is to save them while knocking them unconscious or whatever. Yeah, completely different fighting styles. I did see that they took a lot... During this movie, I'm thinking of the Insomniac Spider-Man games, which I love.
01:10:18
Speaker
And they took a lot of inspiration like from these games, specifically with like the finishing moves and everything. And you can feel that. like I really love all of the fight choreography in this. right I think the swinging in this is amazing. We haven't even really talked about how the movie looks. like I think this is just such a step up. from All the roof jumps.
01:10:37
Speaker
yeah So good. Everything. like I truly do think most things in this movie were just a major improvement on Peter Parker as a character, on Spider-Man, and just the whole look, feel, and vibe of everything.
01:10:51
Speaker
The look inside the mask and everything. Yes. It didn't feel like an MCU Spider-Man movie anymore. It just didn't. Yeah. Which is why whenever I was reminded of it, I'm like, oh, yeah.
01:11:02
Speaker
and where it loses steam, but when it's not, it's like firing on all cylinders. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. So it sounds like you don't really like the the final act. I
01:11:17
Speaker
i like it. and think Sadie Sync gives a really good performance. One part that was hard for me to separate was, um we read a review that kind of hinted that this was the stranger things of it all.
01:11:30
Speaker
Because I was getting Eleven vibes, especially as she's bringing Milchik out of the office. I'm like, oh, that's Eleven. Eleven and Papa. Yeah. I mean, to me, it was confusing, though, like when she's using her powers in that scene, because like, why isn't she sticking her arm out and screaming?
01:11:50
Speaker
That's what she should be doing. How am I supposed to know that she's using her powers?
01:11:57
Speaker
Speaking of Mr. Milchik, what do you guys think of... his character, and what do you think of ah Mr. Tillman being typecasted a little bit?
01:12:14
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ah i I mean, I like him. I like seeing him on screen. I do too He's a great actor.
01:12:23
Speaker
I'm just a little worried that in every single role he's going to be Mr. Milchick.
01:12:29
Speaker
I was going to ask what you mean typecast, but you think you think that was Mr. Milchick? great Yeah, I mean secret underground nefarious organization that does weird stuff, but on the surface is completely fine. Yeah.
01:12:44
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And he's very happy and, you know, positive. Yeah. Do you guys like damage control as this central villain?
01:12:56
Speaker
Yeah, I do, actually. okay i think I think it was cool. It's also such a hard name. Imagine, yeah, I'm an agent in damage control. Like, like oh, that guy's cool. I bet he does bad things. It's very obvious from the beginning. I'm like, these are the bad guys. and like Yeah.
01:13:13
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And you're just like, like but it works. no twist. There's no there's no twist, but like but it's executed really well. i was And I was actually kind of shocked by it that I didn't hate it.
01:13:24
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Agreed. It's also nice that they've been pretty consistent with their presence throughout a lot of the TV shows. um They have been around. I don't know about their presence in the movies so far, but yeah, I like them.
01:13:36
Speaker
Damage Control specifically? Mm-hmm. What shows have they been in? They're in Homecoming, in the first Spider-Man movie. like That's who Vulture works for. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I guess I haven't seen Homecoming in forever.
01:13:49
Speaker
I watched it not that long ago and yeah, it's the very beginning of the movie, but that's like the company they're working for is Damage Control Boat. What yeah what shows are they in? I know they're in Wonder Man.
01:14:00
Speaker
They, I don't know if they're in Daredevil. Maybe. I didn't watch the new Daredevil. I didn't either. But I think they're in at least one or two more. Okay.
01:14:12
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So they're around.
01:14:14
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um What else?
01:14:20
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Very unseen. Punisher shoots Peter. Oh, yeah. And ah we find out that Jean Grey has been the one keeping him alive telepathically. which I thought was really neat and makes me excited to see that relationship.
01:14:38
Speaker
Hopefully I want to see that relationship flourish because obviously while she's keeping him alive, I think she's able to see everything in his mind can see like his relationship with Ned and MJ maybe makes her feel a bit closer to him. So I do want to see them interact again in the near future. And I hope we get to see that relationship build more.
01:14:59
Speaker
I saw people complaining about that scene. Like, Spider-Man is, like, oh, he he gets beat up by the Hulk and he's fine and he gets shot and he's, like, dying.
01:15:12
Speaker
You shot with a 50 caliber. You guys should look up a video of what a 50 caliber round does to like one of those gelatin like fake bodies. Literally like if you got shot in the chest with a 50 caliber bullet you are like you're gar shredded. You're a big fist.
01:15:29
Speaker
Yeah. That is about as big of a round as you can get without getting into like actual artillery. That's insane. Or like mortar fire. Yeah. The concept of Jon Bernthal just running around New York with guns is so funny to me.
01:15:46
Speaker
We should just let him do it. We should just let him be the Punisher IRL. Zoran Mamdami's one trick to stop Benjamin Netanyahu. Jon Bernthal as the Punisher. Yeah.
01:16:04
Speaker
That's how they'll get around the whole legal thing. Yeah. um I love how this movie ends with Peter coming out of the hospital and being amongst the crowd.
01:16:14
Speaker
One thing that this movie finally did really well was New York felt alive.
Depiction of New York City in Spider-Man
01:16:20
Speaker
Yes. New York felt like a character and it felt real.
01:16:25
Speaker
That's something I think all the past three trilogy movies were severely lacking, especially No Way Home. When you go back and watch that movie, you're like, where the fuck is everybody? This is a ghost town. Like, I know this movie was shot during COVID, but I'm like, it's it's so apparent.
01:16:40
Speaker
um yeah And this movie just feels the exact opposite. And I got choked up when he looks over and he sees the little kid kind of do the thwip at him and does it back. Right there, that was another moment. I'm like, that's Spider-Man.
01:16:52
Speaker
yeah That was Spider-Man. that was spider that That was the most Spider-Man moment of any Marvel
Humorous Theater Experiences
01:16:57
Speaker
Spider-Man appearance. Yeah. parents love yeah And it made it made me so happy. And then seeing ah the Punisher with the mask just screaming in the room.
01:17:05
Speaker
i was the only one laughing in my theater when he was screaming. laughing too. like It was kind of quiet and I just like chuckled and like like loud enough that Cam looked at me and I was like... Like my laugh came out a little too loud. How are your three theater experiences? Cause I had a snore, like a big time snore.
01:17:21
Speaker
Oh no way. I mean, what did you go it was, was a 10 30 showing. And so we were on the back row and they were, they were sectioned off like two, four, two or something.
01:17:34
Speaker
Okay. um But in the back right corner, I don't think there's anyone sitting next to this guy. So there's no one to like nudge him. So we all had to bear just, just, this
01:17:46
Speaker
and he was snoring fast like he's got issues fighting for his life in his dreams honestly it was like rapid fire snoring it was crazy and it went on for about no joke 30 minutes like the last 30 minutes
Reflections on Spider-Man Experiences
01:18:00
Speaker
of the movie that sucks what was the last movie we had a snore in first was it project hail mary yes there was a snore in project hail mary someone or someone We were all together for it. Yeah, you thought it was me.
01:18:14
Speaker
or you thought it was like someone close to me, Alex. It was coming from your direction. You're like, no way, it's him. I did have, from my theater experience, we had a ah reoccurring character on this podcast next to me.
01:18:27
Speaker
we are for We had a had a Gaffar. Hell yeah. like Every little MCU reference or joke, like...
01:18:39
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ah he was ah He was very subdued, right? He was very subdued. But he he would let him slip. It was his own inner demon. like We're all battling him.
01:18:50
Speaker
you guys have clappers? Yes. Mine didn't at all. Not throughout the movie, but at the end there was a big applause. And then after the post-credits scene, there was an applause too. Really? i was like, all right, let's let's that's love my let's relax a little bit. yeah My theater was... ah did a really bad job in anticipating buying these tickets.
01:19:10
Speaker
um I bought them really late. I don't know why I didn't buy them earlier, but I couldn't get any... like big theater showing like the AMC theater that I was in didn't have recliner seats. And it was like one of the smaller theaters. was just, it was just standard.
01:19:24
Speaker
So maybe like 30 seats in there, which felt kind of nice. So, but the, the crowd was, was tame. They laughed. And then and think there were like a couple claps once, once the credits rolled, but I didn't have anything too egregious.
01:19:37
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Nice.
01:19:40
Speaker
We missed anything. We haven't talked about, john watts versus dessin daniel drudney john watts uh look out i'm coming for you you're done you're gonna i'm coming for you he made
Anticipation for X-Men Franchise
01:20:00
Speaker
fine movies they just weren't spider-man movies but this was a spider-man movie John Watts and his consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
01:20:10
Speaker
ah I will say, i think he shines most in Homecoming. I think Homecoming is a good Spider-Man movie. I think it's a very different Spider-Man movie. It's a true high school Peter Parker Spider-Man movie.
01:20:25
Speaker
And I think it's really good. One of the funniest scenes in all of Spider-Man-dom. What's that? where he walks in for prom and Michael Keaton's there. He's like, Hey, what are you doing here? Yeah.
01:20:41
Speaker
It's also a really good reveal of Michael Keaton figuring out that he's Spider-Man. Oh, in the car? Yeah, in the car. It's like the red light and then the light turns
Fortnite Skins Discussion
01:20:50
Speaker
green. Really good. homecoming Homecoming, I'll defend.
01:20:54
Speaker
Homecoming has some sauce. I liked it. Yeah. I think we should have gotten new directors for the sequels for Far From Home and especially for No Way Home.
01:21:06
Speaker
John wants cooked with Homecoming, but I think he could only cook with a Peter Parker in high school.
01:21:13
Speaker
fair um another thing i want to bring up is the b-roll at the end of brand new day with the shots of new york that was one of my favorite parts of the movie that was great it was beautiful great way to book in the movie yep i loved it good shout um i mean are you guys excited for the x-men Sure.
01:21:37
Speaker
We ready? I have never really watched any of the X-Men movies. I've never really like read any of their media or watched the old show. For some reason, Jean Grey has convinced me, it's like, I should go watch the old classic X-Men cartoon.
01:21:53
Speaker
Yeah. Like the one from the 90s. I watched a bit of that. I haven't seen every single X-Men movie ever. So I've yeah've never really been like, oh, I yeah i love the X-Men. Give me the X-Men.
01:22:08
Speaker
But I'm excited to see. You literally an X-Men Fortnite skin. Well, yeah. You have Rogue. Because it's Rogue.
01:22:19
Speaker
My bad. I did get. Bros, are you gooning to Fortnite skins? I did get um the Spider-Man,
Debate on Movie Scores in Spider-Man Films
01:22:30
Speaker
this Spider-Man Fortnite skin yesterday. And it looks really good. Good choice.
01:22:35
Speaker
I like it. I said, I want to shout you out because you wanted to buy the Poison Ivy Fortnite skin. You wanted to buy the Poison Ivy Fortnite skin. You wanted to buy it. You had it in your cart. I know you did. I did i never had it in my cart. I never had it in my cart. I never got that far.
01:22:57
Speaker
sure dude sure um did the score stand out to you guys on this at all i liked it i liked the score because i really don't wow i don't really recall i don't remember yeah i liked it there was like spider-man scores are usually like really like great but i don't know I can't think of a Tom Holland, Spider-Man specific like a theme. like I can recall Toby's like immediately, but I cannot recall Tom's.
01:23:26
Speaker
Same. Well, Toby's has also been memed to death. that dot that that danner The clip from, what is it, Brothers with Jake Gyllenhaal and Natalie Portman where he's like the the PTSD fan. He's on the lawn.
01:23:42
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Yeah,
01:23:47
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yeah so that definitely helps. um I don't know. maybe but yeah I definitely want to watch this movie again. and I think I'll try to keep a better lookout for the score. but just wanted to see if you guys had thought anything of it specifically.
Appreciation of Music in Spider-Man
01:24:00
Speaker
I liked it. I liked some of the needle drops too. Oh, we didn't even talk about the needle drops. I loved the needle drops. It went into the classic tradition of Spider-Man has good needle drops.
01:24:11
Speaker
Yeah. The, uh, the Toby movies have some great needle drops with some strokes in there. I mean, yeah, it's awesome. Yeah. We got a loser by Tame Impala. Yep.
01:24:21
Speaker
Great addition. Loved it. There was a, there was sec, there was like 10 seconds of a bad bunny song, but I think they should have picked something else because right. They, they cut it off right before it got good. All we heard was like, dude,
01:24:33
Speaker
do And like everyone was starting to move, and then it was cut off. It was when he was doing the... ah We didn't even talk about like the organic web shooters. That was one of the funniest scenes of the whole movie. is yeah It's when it's dribbling out, and he's like... I just love how expressive the mask is. like You could see him like gagging like through the mask.
01:24:55
Speaker
Good body acting. Really good. He's behind the mask for a
Ranking Spider-Man Movies
01:25:00
Speaker
good, for a lot of this movie. I think which just speaks to his performance too. Like really good body acting. Good year for Tom.
01:25:08
Speaker
Yeah. I will, I will say that it surprised me about how much stuff he did in the open. Yeah. where he's just clearly like transitioning to Spider-Man or detransitioning in the open. Like, bro, wouldn't a flock camera pick you up?
01:25:23
Speaker
okay Oh, just like sitting on a roof without ah his mask on? yeah Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's got his own flock system, which I think has its own type of implications. He's got a ah ah home. Although he he he taps into the polices, and they're like, that's illegal. it's like He's like, ah. What are you going to do, arrest me? I'll kill you.
01:25:52
Speaker
That's the movie i need to see. Spider-Man goes rogue. Yeah. I'd love a good like... What was that video game series where all the superheroes go rogue? The DC, like Injustice or something. yeah They all go rogue.
01:26:06
Speaker
I would love like Superman goes rogue. I mean, that's basically what Invincible is. but h There's another movie that's basically Superman that's evil Superman. Was it Brightburn?
01:26:17
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. i never saw it I think I remember liking it think i don't know kind of dawn of justice too right a wee bit all right guys ready to rate rate and rank we're gonna rank all the spider-man oh my god yeah yeah I'm ready okay I think I'm ready too um I thought this movie was a very fun time.
01:26:45
Speaker
Like I said so many times in the theater, I was like, that's that's him. That's Spider-Man. This is easily my favorite Tom Holland Spider-Man movie. And there's a lot they did right while I think messy.
01:26:59
Speaker
Still a fun time. And I left with a very positive feeling. So I'm giving this a four.
01:27:09
Speaker
I know. Go ahead. We've done that so much. We just start talking at the same time. Yeah, you got it. oh i This is also my favorite Tom Holland Spider-Man movie.
01:27:25
Speaker
And I think I need to go back and reevaluate some old ratings. Yeah, because regardless of this being my favorite. I left the theater and I was like, this just feels like such like a high, high seven out of 10 movie, like 7.9.
01:27:43
Speaker
I don't think there was enough for me where I was like, this feels like a four out of five, like an eight out of 10. We're giving it like a 7.99. Bro, just give it a four.
01:27:55
Speaker
No, it didn't feel like one. I know what you mean, Alex. I wanted so desperately for this to be 4.5. 5 would have been amazing, of course.
01:28:07
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But I just walked out. I'm like, that was like it was great. um But it just felt like it was missing like one, i don't know, something that would just push it over the edge.
01:28:20
Speaker
And so I have to give 4. I do you want to echo your sentiment about reevaluating past ratings because I know I brought this up earlier, but I had no way home at a five and there's just, i'm I can't be forgiven for that. so I don't think I'm ever going to rewatch that movie. If I watch it, I think I'll hate it.
01:28:43
Speaker
I had it at a 4.5. I don't know why it didn't change the rating. i've seen I think I've seen that movie four times. oh So, No Way Home in theaters was like the first time ah a godly experience. yeah I will admit that. And it was a lot of fun.
01:28:58
Speaker
It was really fun to get to see all the Spider-Man on screen. And it was a really big movie coming out of COVID. So, that was also just a really big deal for everyone involved.
01:29:09
Speaker
That movie on rewatches nosedives like no other. ah Specifically, like, watching it at home, especially watching, like, Tobey Maguire come in through the portal for the first time and him interacting with Andrew Garfield.
01:29:23
Speaker
The silence... between conversations that is left quiet for audience applause is very apparent and very jarring at home that it's quite difficult to watch. He walks in, this is this is literally Tobey Maguire.
01:29:38
Speaker
He walks in and it's quiet. You just hear, hey. And then the camera's just going back and forth between people like. Did you not have the applause light come on in the corner of your movie?
01:29:53
Speaker
So please clap. Like a live studio audience. it's it's tough It's tough to sit through at home, I will say. So it did go down. Alex, said seven point nine nine are you Are you doing Yeah. Okay. be the line on...
01:30:13
Speaker
i bet it'll i feel it it'll be it'll become a four i think it's going to be they the line on if I like it more, it's a four. And if I don't like it as much, it's a three, like a solid three and a half.
01:30:27
Speaker
I think like that will be like the line in my list. Yeah. I think the, I think the line for the, I think this might be the best that these Spider-Man movies in the MCU can be.
01:30:42
Speaker
I think this is the best that it could be. I think it will always be held back by the fact that it is part of this larger universe. And I don't think that'll change. It could be better.
01:30:53
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It could be better. But i don't think I don't think it will. At this point in how long we've been doing this, I don't think it will. art Give me Venom. I think we can still get a better movie.
01:31:06
Speaker
Whether or not it's isolated in its own world or not is a different story, but I think we can get better. I hope so. I know we can get better, but we'll see if it happens.
01:31:20
Speaker
All right. One last thing. rank. Oh, go ahead. I just wanted to point out the Naruto poster Easter egg in Ned's room. Oh, dude. i didn't even. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah. There's a Naruto poster in the back. Didn't even make that connection. I saw was just like, oh, how I love that he has a Naruto poster in there, but didn't even make the The connection.
01:31:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Destin Daniel Cretton, the director is slated to make a live action R2 movie for those who are unaware. Broke. We brought it up earlier, but yeah, we can go ahead and get into the rankings now.
01:31:54
Speaker
Okay, we're going to be ranking the 11 Spider-Man movies. We're not going to include any of the Morbiuses or Venoms or Craven the Hunters. None of that. None of the the Sony shit. Or the Madame Web.
01:32:06
Speaker
Or the Madame Web. I was going to ask about Madame Web. Just the 11 Spider-Man movies. Tangles everyone together. It connects them all. Yeah. We got to see her. She's got to come back.
01:32:20
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She has to. What an awful movie. Remember thes like the ADR in that? Oh my god. I think about it at least once a month. It's so bad. How you guys feeling about your Spider-Man rankings with Brand New Day? i think It's tough.
01:32:36
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ah some Some tough choices had to be made. Yeah. I think so too. we'll go There were some easy choices that had to be made. We'll go from bottom to top.
01:32:47
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There are a couple movies you guys haven't seen. What are they? The Amazing Spider-Man, the first one. Okay. The Amazing Spider-Man, the second one. So interesting.
01:32:59
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So we'll start at the bottom. um I can kick us off. At number 11, I have The Amazing Spider-Man 2. I don't think that's a shock to anybody. It is quite literally the worst Spider-Man movie, but it is my favorite Spider-Man suit.
01:33:14
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I love that suit. It suit. I think it's sick as hell. Mm-hmm. The brand new day suit is now in competition in the top three. Tobey Maguire is obviously being in there as well.
01:33:26
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I'll get back to you on where I rank those, but that's my number 11.
01:33:31
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Mine as well, because I haven't seen it and it's probably likely that. Yeah. Yeah. It's my number 10. If that makes you feel any better, I just don't know where to put the first one.
01:33:43
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Wait, so what do you have at number 11? Nothing, because I haven't seen an 11th Spider-Man movie. Oh, well I didn't think you could still put it there if you want. I'll put the i'll put the Amazing Spider-Man Zero there because it has clearly not piqued me enough to actually sit down and watch it after all these years. So, yeah, that's the worst Spider-Man. All right.
01:34:05
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All right. My number 10 spot is the first Amazing Spider-Man. Same. Yep. My number 10 spot is the second Amazing Spider-Man.
01:34:16
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Sorry, Andrew. Andrew Garfield. I'm so sorry. I i really i like him as Peter Parker, as Spider-Man. great. I do. Just but got off the movies. yeah I think he's kind of too cool to be Spider-Man, though.
01:34:31
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He is pretty cool. Like he just seems like Peter Parker seems like a guy that like you'd be friends with, but it's like, would you understand if he got bullied? Like probably.
01:34:42
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Andrew Garfield in the amazing Spider-Man one is really cool. Like he's supposed to be nerdy, but I'm like way too cool. Yeah. Like they're all handsome, but I'm like, you're really handsome and you're skateboarding through the halls and you expect me to think you're getting bullied.
01:34:59
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You're oozing cool, dude. No way.
01:35:05
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number nine spot sure or Alex or yeah number nine and number nine I have no way home
01:35:17
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it's so hard because you you have the theater experience and then you have at home or on rewatch And it's just so different. It's very different. I'm judging this off of the actual movie though. I can't just have this be how I felt at the theater.
01:35:37
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I'm looking at it like as a film a and it's ugly. It's paced very weird and ah it's just, it's not good.
01:35:55
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That's fair. Will and Defoe is a great though. Love him. man i do love Mr. Goblin. They use them wrong. It's all wrong. It's all bad.
01:36:08
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Yeah, same. I have no way home. Wow. number nine Okay. Cause you're right. The, the film itself is just not good in isolation.
01:36:19
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Yeah. I want to have no way home there as well, but I've only seen it the one time.
01:36:26
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um m I guess I'll put no way home there, even though have it at a four out of five still for some reason. Change it. Because just thinking about which one would I rather sit down and watch again, it is Spider-Man 3 every single time. we'll get into why I love Spider-Man 3 so much. Okay.
01:36:50
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Number eight I have Far From Home. The second in the John Watch trilogy. Yes, me too. Wow, okay. We're aligned so far. You, Alex? that Spider-Man 3.
01:37:02
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At number eight, okay. Yeah. Because, again, it's paced really weird. um It's kind of an awkward watch. But the fact that that's like a comically bad movie for its time, it's just not. It's not. It's not. It's it's pretty good. it's It feels like it's two movies smushed into one.
01:37:24
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um There is some all-time fantastic lines in it. Yeah. Probably my favorite Spider-Man moment ever for moment any of the movies is when Eddie Brock goes to church. Dude. Without knowing that he's Spider-Man and without getting the symbiote attached to him and prays to the Christian God to kill Peter Parker because Peter was mean to him at work.
01:37:57
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It also has the the cool Toby montage, which is cinema. He's so cool. I mean, the scene with him and Elizabeth Banks where she's like, oh, Peter is so funny. I'm going to rub some dirt in your eye.
01:38:14
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Yeah. Are you going to cry? The dance. It's too good. it's like i i would put it on right now. it's like It is insane knowing how much shit that movie got.
01:38:29
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Granted, some of it deserved. It does feel like a lot of studio interference of two movies matched into one. But the fact that that was back then what was like utter dog shit, and now I look at like an Ant-Man Quantumania, Spider-Man 3 comparatively is a masterpiece. Spider-Man 3 is like Citizen Kane compared to Quantumania. Literally.
01:38:51
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um At number seven, I have Spider-Man Homecoming.
01:38:56
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I have Spider-Man 3. Okay.
01:39:01
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I have Spider-Man, the first one. Wow. It's just kind of an awkward watch. Why? What makes it awkward? think the acting is a little silly at some points.
01:39:15
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The Green Goblin suit I don't think has aged well at all either. I think the butt and legs look really funny on that Green Goblin suit. It looks horrible. But that last fight between the two is some of the best shit ever.
01:39:31
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For sure. the slow mo man The slow motion, all of it is it's peak. I love that movie. At number six, I have Spider-Man 3.
01:39:44
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I have Spider-Man Homecoming. Okay. I have Far From Home. How do you guys feel about Jake Gyllenhaal's Mysterio? I liked it. I liked it too.
01:39:57
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I love Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah. I love Jake Gyllenhaal. And the reason like far from home is really where I think that the MCU Spider-Man starts to lose the plot, but it still kind of feels like a Spider-Man movie. Cause it's like, Oh, he's in high school. He's on this weird class field trip and they do a good enough job with all the other bits that,
01:40:17
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Where like the most fun i'm having in that movie is like him trying to play off like where he's going on this trip and like all that, like the night monkey bit. it Yeah.
01:40:29
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That felt like classic Spider-Man hijinks, even though it was really like in ah like a true MCU movie. And I really enjoyed it I think I would like it a lot more if it didn't have that weird like scene on the train where he's like with the interface and like designing things. and you know like Okay, that's a little much. I agree. I enjoyed that movie. I rewatched it not that long ago, a couple years ago, and I i still really enjoyed it, but...
01:40:57
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It's also got, I really love the, the mysterious sequence of him fighting like in that dreamlike state or whatever the tunnel. Yeah. thought it was awesome. Just pure Spidey sense. Yeah. That was sick.
01:41:08
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Real good scene. Um, number five spot I have Spider-Man across the spider verse. Hmm. Wow. This is where it was a little hard for me between its line number four and five. I think this is where it starts to get controversial. I have Spider-Man 2 here. At number five. Yeah.
01:41:27
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Shut up. I'm sorry. It's just how I feel. I think that's wrong. Hate me. Hate me, haters. I will. i'm I'm not going to be inoffensive anymore. I'm driving to your place right now.
01:41:39
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Come at me, commenters. You will be dealt with accordingly. Okay. Alex, what's your number five? Spider-Man Homecoming.
01:41:51
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Okay. Top four. At number four, I put Brand New Day.
01:41:58
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Me too. I think this movie does a lot right. I put Brand New Day at four as well. There we go. There we go. We're all in agreeance. All right. Well, we don't know what Tachi has it at. Yeah. Oh, he said number four, two. He nodded his head and said yes. Oh, okay. i thought he was just, okay. Wow. Okay.
01:42:12
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Top three. Here we go. Number three, Spider-Man. Number one, Tobey Maguire. That is my movie. I have so many fond memories of this.
01:42:24
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When we first got the movie, we watched it in theaters. I remember watching it theaters and whenever it came out to like Blockbuster and we rented it, my mom took us to Walmart or Toys R Us and we got those Spider-Man gloves with yeah the foam attached to it. It was like a blue foam.
01:42:40
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It hit the triggers. And then we watched it all downstairs, me, my brother, my grandpa, my grandma, and my mom. And then when the credits rolled, you had ah the Chad Kroger from Nickelback song playing in the background as the credits rolled. And my brother and I were just...
01:42:56
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flinging and blue fluid web like all over the living room and jumping off the couch and just having a ah grand time and had to have my grandma and mom clean it but um I think that movie i I love that movie it's so good it's a classic for sure yeah is that also your number three it's also my number three yeah okay let's go it's so good it's so easily rewatchable and it's it's really fun really well bones already
01:43:26
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Alex? My number three is Spider-Man 2. o I think it's the best of the Tobys. Doc Ock, his character's fantastic. yep It's just... I love it.
01:43:38
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yeah that is such it's and It's such a time capsule, too, of a movie. But, man, I love Spider-Man 2. It's got the... it's got the perfect blend of conflict and side stories too. Cause you have the whole thing with Harry going on.
01:43:57
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Yeah. That doesn't really, it doesn't like trample on any of the doc doc stuff. Like it just all flows very well between Harry, between MJ, between his job, between Dr. Octavius, like all, like everything is just perfect.
01:44:11
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That is a, that is a perfect movie, but it's not my number two. number two is into the spider verse. Wow. Might as well.
01:44:25
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It's just, it's so good. It's just so good. Everything is great. Great about it. Yeah.
01:44:34
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I have a cross as my number two. Wow. Okay. Well, my number one is Spider-Man 2. I agree with you, Alex. It is the best of the Tobey Maguires, and I think it is, I think that's a very basic answer, but it straight up, I think, is the best Spider-Man movie.
01:44:52
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Wow. Mine is across the Spider-Verse. It's just even better than the first somehow. And the artwork, the direction, everything is so clear and ah planned accordingly and beautiful. And I just I know I've said it before, but it's one of very few movies that I did not want to end.
01:45:20
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When credits started rolling, I was upset.
01:45:24
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And it's incredibly rare. so Yeah, because the movie doesn't end. sure so That's why it's my number two.
01:45:33
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And I'll disagree with you that I think it was well planned out because they did say the the sequel was coming Okay, that's the sequel. That's not across the line. That's a whole different movie. and We'll get it in two years.
01:45:48
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i My number one is Into the Spider-Verse. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Just because it's it's its own self-contained movie and it's so well done. i Yeah. Watching it was such a treat.
01:46:01
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I wonder why I like to see by more than more than you two. You both like it first. Yeah, I do think that's interesting. I think... The second does a good job at building on the world, but I think purely for like what you said, Alex, it being its own movie. and like You could have left it at that. right I think it succeeds on that level like like flawlessly. so just The first one, I think, is in is in a league of its own.
01:46:25
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The second one builds on that, but it also gets a bit... we get more into the multiverse and it's, that's always a slippery slope. I think the first one handles a multiverse very well. And then also wraps it up, but I'll say this. If beyond the spider verse, isn't the number one of all of our lists, I'm going to be so mad.
01:46:51
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We have waited. long We have waited long enough for that movie, not to be the greatest Spider-Man movie of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Into the Spider-Verse also has an amazing soundtrack.
01:47:02
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Yes. I love when movies like make their own soundtracks with a bunch of various artists. I think of this one. I think of Black Panther. Are like very, very, very well done.
01:47:15
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Agreed. And so much fun. They both have really good soundtracks. Yeah. Should we watch those soon? ah All right. That was a big episode. Big Spider-Man episode.
01:47:29
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I've had a lot of big episodes recently. I know, because it's a big year. I don't know what we're doing for August, though. We have no clue. Hopefully we'll we'll have that figured out. But anything else from you guys before we wrap up for the day?
01:47:44
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Nope. Nope. All right. Well, let us know what you thought of Spider-Man Brand New Day. If you agree with our Spider-Man rankings, I think we all agree that Amazing Spider-Man 2 is the lowest. um Well, thank you so much for listening, and we'll see you guys in the next episode.
01:48:01
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Peace. All right. See you.
01:48:22
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Thank you.